Blake Page, a former West Point cadet, quit attending the prominent U.S. military academy this week, citing Christian proselytizing and the promotion of prayers and religion. Just shy of graduation, which was just months away, the 24-year-old is now speaking out against faith in the armed forces. He made the shocking announcement that he is leaving the institution on The Huffington Post.
Blake described his current situation as follows:
As I write this, I am five months from graduation. After nearly three and a half years here, there is no reason to suspect that I would be in any way incapable of completing the final requirements and walking across the stage in Michie Stadium with diploma in hand in another 174 days. Choosing to resign at this point also carries significant risk. The Army may seek recoupment in the form of about $200-300k which I will personally owe, or an additional term of up to 5 years of enlisted service. What could possibly compel me to pass over this incredible opportunity in exchange for such harsh penalties?
While there are certainly numerous problems with the developmental program at West Point and all service academies, the tipping point of my decision to resign was the realization that countless officers here and throughout the military are guilty of blatantly violating the oaths they swore to defend the Constitution. These men and women are criminals, complicit in light of day defiance of the Uniform Code of Military Justice through unconstitutional proselytism, discrimination against the non-religious and establishing formal policies to reward, encourage and even at times require sectarian religious participation.
While at West Point, the atheist was heavily involved in campus secularism. He was the president of the West Point Secular Student Alliance, an affiliate for the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers and the first director of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. In a resignation letter to West Point officials, he highlighted his intense issues with the infusion of religious sentiment in the military.
“I do not wish to be in any way associated with an institution which willfully disregards the Constitution of the United States of America by enforcing policies which run counter to the same,” he wrote. “Examples of these policies include mandatory prayer, the maintenance of the 3rd Regiment Shield, awarding extra passes to Plebes who take part in religious retreats and chapel choirs, as well as informal policies such as the open disrespect of non-religious new cadets and incentivizing participation in religious activities through the chain of command.”
Following his announcement, he was granted an honorable discharge and told that he will not need to reimburse the cost of his education, as feared in his initial post divulging the situation. Page was medically disqualified this semester from being in the Army as a second lieutenant over clinical depression and anxiety — conditions that he claims have worsened following his father’s suicide.
Watch the former West Point student, who plans to continue activism against religion in the military, describe his plight on CNN:





















































































































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amerbur
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:05amGeneral Boykin is far from a disgraced General, He is a Christian and he is fighting to protect America from fools like this Gentleman that heads the MFFR.
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DesertRose1960
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:18pmNo, you choose to see him as a hero and a Christian. That doesn’t mean that others do. I’m among those who see Boykin as a raging disgrace to the uniform.
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banjarmon
Dec. 6, 2012 at 1:28pmBlake Page is a quitter, a cowered, and a disgrace to WEST POINT!!! BUB BYE!!!
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Silvertruth
Dec. 6, 2012 at 1:41pmIt doesn’t really matter, the Constituion grants the freedom of religion, not freedom FROM religion. Athiests are a religion and they have a right to practice their non-belief in devine beings. Doing what he is doing is a form of procelytizing that he is railing against. This just makes him hypocritical, like most ardent Athiests are. They decry religions and espous their own as the truth. Sounds just like any other religion to me.
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Caballosinnombre
Dec. 6, 2012 at 2:22pmIf a man can’t deal with the trivial endeavors of religion how can he deal with the preasures of leading his troops?
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Chuck Stein
Dec. 6, 2012 at 2:49pm@ Banjarmon
“Blake Page is a quitter, a cowered, and a disgrace to WEST POINT!!! BUB BYE!!!”
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Did you read this part, though?:
“Page was medically disqualified this semester from being in the Army as a second lieutenant over clinical depression and anxiety — conditions that he claims have worsened following his father’s suicide.”
The guy is mentally unhinged. Sad that he tries to pin his problems on belief when it is faith in the Lord and Savior of all that could be the biggest help to Page at this point in his life.
Maybe we who profess faith in Jesus could exercise a bit of compassion on the young man.
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toiletclogga
Dec. 6, 2012 at 3:08pmThis guy sounds more anti-Christian than atheist! Sounds like a coward too!
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StanO360
Dec. 6, 2012 at 3:21pmI’m guessing he’s going to go on tour to college campuses to protest the hostile, atheistic environment on campuses around the country. As well as the blatant proselytizing by professors and administrations for secular humanism . . . oh wait, probably not!
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FoxholeAtheist
Dec. 6, 2012 at 7:28pmThe Xtians feed on his depression, making it worse. They need to be brought up on charges.
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Elena2010
Dec. 6, 2012 at 8:32pmCould not have said it any better, Chuck. Well done!
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Elena2010
Dec. 6, 2012 at 8:34pmFoxy — what part of “weep with those who are weeping” do you read as feeding off someone else’s misery?
Practicing Christians do not feed off someone’s misfortune. We sit in “sack cloth and ashes” with you!
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FoxholeAtheist
Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:23amYes they do. They wait until someone is as low as they can get and then they take advantage of them. Hungry? Sure they feed the hungry but first they must listen to a sermon. Depressed? Here, let us use this moment to witness our retarded beliefs at you. Unplanned pregnancy? Hooked on drugs? A prostitute? Here, let us send you somewhere where people are masquerading as doctors in order to convert you.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Dec. 7, 2012 at 1:52pmBahaha foxhole, your bigotry is showing.
Those are stereotypes that have never been proven, but you still see them plastered all over south park and family guy, your two sources for education.
Oh, they’re not your information source? Please tell me what they are, since you’re OBVIOUSLY more well-informed than I am.
Go on, please. By all means. =)
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FoxholeAtheist
Dec. 7, 2012 at 5:23pmHere are a couple, jackass:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/san-francisco-takes-crisis-pregnancy-centers
http://www.ehow.com/info_8730048_life-hobo.html
“Also, food is given in exchange for listening to a sermon given by the preacher of the church providing the edibles. Most of the time, the church is not of the same religion as that of the person in need. Nonetheless, he must listen if he wants to eat.”
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Quester55
Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:50pmIs it ” Blake Page, Or BLANK Page?, This Fool, gives up an Education that others would cut off their right are too have, over The U.S.Constitution’s Protection of Christian Prayer in the Military? GOOD Riddance to this Mentally disturbed Fool.
After serving our Country at the ending of Nam, I can say, that without any Doubt, Many Atheist entered the Military, However, Of those that Came home, Alive, Where NO LONGER Atheist! WAR has that effect on Non Believers, And that is good. I’d sooner follow a True Believer into Battle than a Frightened Cowardly Atheist with No HOPE of coming back alive!
But to give this Piece of Trash, an Honorable or even a General Discharge Is an INSULT that None of the Cadets should have to accept.
What I’d like to Know is How the Heck did his Anti-Christ Attitude go unnoticed for so LONG? The Cadets Codes of Conduct, use to be Very Strict,, Guess their turning out ” Limp Wrested, Softies “, instead of MEN, these Days?
It would appear that the ” WACKS & WAVES “, have more Balls then the Men do. Guess these Cadets never heard of a ” Blanket Party “, in these P.C. Times.
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FoxholeAtheist
Dec. 9, 2012 at 1:26amOh screw you, Quester. Keep on truckin’, jackass fool.
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Tri-ox
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:02amThis is beyond idiotic. Obviously, he just doesn’t have what it takes, and he is looking for an excuse – but, this is a really WEAK excuse. What a dope.
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AvengerK
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:42amHis father committed suicide and he’s diagnosed with clinical depression…this has nothing to do with supposed religious “oppression” it has everything to do with a troubled mind.
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grimmster
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:01pmSo, before he went to the acadamy, he didnt check it out? Reminds me of the 5 or 6 idiots in the army i believe, who, when they got their orders to go to iraq in the first gulf war, threw a hissy fit and wanted out, because they didnt think they would have to fight,and the only reason they joined, was the army would pay for their education.People like this make me wonder if eugenics isnt viable in this day and time……….
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themachinist239
Dec. 6, 2012 at 3:56pm“he is looking for an excuse – but, this is a really WEAK excuse”
People who imply that things like mental illnesses like depression are somehow make-believe never cease to amaze me. According to military.com*, Page’s father killed himself in his second year of Westpoint, making depression in his 3rd year completely feasible. Admit it, by “he just doesn’t have what it takes” —you mean he doesn’t have belief in God, which you believe is necessary to serve.
Now let’s entertain the notion that his complaints about superior officers breaking Westpoint code and practicing favoritism, required religious participation, etc. are true…Doesn’t that mean the superior officers have abandoned their mandate to uphold the rules of the institution? Your logic is “well many of the founders of that institution were Christian, so people entering the program should know those rules will be broken from time to time”–which is nonsense. Rules are rules.
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coldnorth
Dec. 6, 2012 at 9:54pm“Following his announcement, he was granted an honorable discharge and told that he will not need to reimburse the cost of his education”
My guess is that he is using his Atheism to get out of his commitment to the Army. If he had such a problem w/ the acadamy why did he stay for 3.5 years. My guess is that he realized he may have to go into harms way and face the reality of getting shot. In his mind that would be the END since he does’t believe in salvation though Christ.
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Metallicat
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:01amSo they trained this guy to lead soldiers in combat,and he leaves prior to having to fulfill his commitment to the military and they just let him walk? Now he will take that training and use it to enhance the tactics of militant aetheists. He should be required to serve his time as a enlisted man and not duck his duty that he took an oath to uphold. He wanted the benefit of the education without having to serve in someplace like afghanistan. More wasted taxpayer money on a weasel who cant keep his word. of course aetheists have no problem with being a liar and a thief,as they have no moral code and complain when one is in place,(religion) to weasel out of their obligations. Send his **** to afghanistan as an enlisted man so he can find out if there are really no aetheists in foxholes.
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kryptonite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:19amHe suffers from clinical depression and was told he could not commission. My question would be, Why was he admitted to the Academy in the first place? His depression was more than likely already present and visible to medical practitioners. My guess is that the military will no longer disqualify atheist activists — or gays or women or any other Obama-supported group, even if they fail to meet West Point’s stringent admission standards.
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COFemale
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:46amHis lack of God in his life is contributing to his clinical depression. Why did his father commit suicide? This type of behavior runs in families. This guy could also very well commit suicide. The Army is better off cutting their loses and let him go. He is/was NOT officer material.
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FoxholeAtheist
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:50amHe should have stayed. We could have used him. He could have been a fine thorn in the side of the military’s religious nuts.
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AvengerK
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:00pmReally POXHOLE? You’d like a man diagnosed with clinical depression as your ally in this war on religion? You’re an idiot.
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kryptonite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:13pmCOFEMALE
His lack of God in his life is contributing to his clinical depression. Why did his father commit suicide? This type of behavior runs in families.
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You are absolutely right. I made a similar observation, but it seems my comment was censored.
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JRook
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:15pm@AvengerK Of course you wouldn’t. But then again not pursuing him probably has something to do with removing any investigations into his allegations. As with work, military personnel should check their religious beliefs at the door.
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HumbleMan
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:22pmI think he should just go home with his husband, @FOXHole and raise kids.
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JRook
Dec. 6, 2012 at 5:09pm@COFemale Guess you missed the statistic where more enlisted men have committed suicide this year than were lost in Afghanistan. So I guess they are attracting a increasingly disturbed group. Or rather a increasing ungodly group. My brother had a brother in law who was a 20 year Marine who rose to the highest rank available to an enlisted individual, Lieutenant Kernel. At one point he lead the first strike force. When he left after 20 years we were all very surprised and asked him why. He noted that he and most of his peers enlisted and served based on god and country. He noted, and this was the mid 1980′s that the men under his command were primarily driven by an interest in killing, not by service to their country. So perhaps a country which places undue status and importance on its military ultimately produces what it seems to value. Individuals who seek to become solders for less honorable motivations than serving their country and the greater good.
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kryptonite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 6:47pmJROOK
So I guess they are attracting a increasingly disturbed group. Or rather a increasing ungodly group.
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Duh, ROOK, that IS clearly the Traitor’s agenda. You think a godly man would have willingly gone to Libya on a mission to help Islamists topple Kaddafi?
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FoxholeAtheist
Dec. 6, 2012 at 7:26pmHe can work through his depression with a leave of absence and some counseling. We need more nonbelievers to stand up in the military. His status that a West Point education gives him would be invaluable to our cause.
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Al J Zira
Dec. 6, 2012 at 9:40pmJROOK!! You idiot!
a 20 year Marine who rose to the highest rank available to an enlisted individual, Lieutenant Kernel.
BWAHHHAAAAHAHAHAH! Not even close. Should have left it at: rose to the highest rank an enlisted man can attain. And it’s C-o-l-o-n-e-l, d-bag.
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Dismayed Veteran
Dec. 7, 2012 at 9:37am@JRook
“highest enlisted individual, Lieutenant Kernel.”
The highest enlisted rank in the USMC is Sergeant Major E9
Lieutenant Colonel O5 is the correct spelling. A LtCol is the second highest field grade rank but is not the highest commissioned rank.
I posted this not insult you but to provide you with the facts. I know that military and naval ranks can be somewhat confusing if you have never served.
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logdogsmith
Dec. 7, 2012 at 10:21amRegarding Jrook’s detractors: Spelling police, really? As for an Enlisted having a highest attainable rank of LtCol, this is quite logical. Enlisted Marines can apply for Limited Duty Officer status, which ranks out at LtCol. LDO’s can not serve as Commander’s, and are generally in support fields, such as logistics. http://www.military.com/MilitaryCareers/Content/0,14556,MPDC_Options_LDO_Marine,00.html
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JustMeInAZ
Dec. 7, 2012 at 3:03pmLieutenant Kernel? Just sounded kinda corney to me. Hey c’mon someone had to say it.
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freestaterev
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:56amThis probably is the event that is the real spark to his decision- he was “medically disqualified this semester from being in the Army as a second lieutenant over clinical depression and anxiety”
Did somebody say “resentment”?
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Locked
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:17amI thought the same thing.
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ModerationIsBest
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:42amResentment is a powerful emotion.
I can tell within 5 minutes of being in a place or around people whether or not I’m going to get flooded with a bunch of religious mumbo jumbo.
It took this guy 3 1/2 years to finally realize it and have enough?
As you said, I suspect he’s doing it out of revenge + 15 minutes of fame.
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kryptonite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 2:21pm@MODERATION
As you said, I suspect he’s doing it out of revenge + 15 minutes of fame.
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He didn’t get to taste revenge, because West Point outsmarted him by giving him an honorable discharge and relieving him from financial liability. He did get his 15 minutes of fame, though. Now he will have to deal with anger as well as depression. I hope if he has a breakdown (likely), he’ll go alone and not take others with him. More than likely, he will continue to be a destructive force in society since he is an activist at heart. Maybe Barack will hire him.
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cgent47
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:55amWhen I was in the U.S. Marine Corps in 1967 you could not serve unless you believed in GOD. Semper Fi – Always Faithful “God, Country, Corps.” Notice the proper order of that? God comes first. When we are faithful to God then the rest will follow.
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alinmatt
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:04amWho’s God are we talking about here? Yours. Mine. The Catholic’s. The Protestant’s. Maybe Judaism’s. Or Allah.
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ChrisDiamond
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:05amThere was no NAVREG or USMC guidance/Operating Instruction/Mandate that only Christians or others who believed in God could join the USMC. I appreciate your service and the sacrifices you made, as you undoubtedly served in Vietnam (though the war was wholly unjust, and brought about by a fabricated incident), but lets apply some honesty in our posts. People could and did serve in the USMC without believing in God. They did it then, they do it now, and will do it from here on out.
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naughtycal
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:06amAgreed and if God is to be placed on the abck burner by the military then it’s all Christians duties to abandon the sectular military and starts a private armed force to protect the nation from the enemy in the capital. We are a Christian nation and if they push too far we should start a new nation of Christian abandon Washington like Washington has abandon the Lord.
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Leader1776
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:15am@ALINMATT
“Who’s God are we talking about here? Yours. Mine. The Catholic’s. The Protestant’s. Maybe Judaism’s. Or Allah.”
A God that doesn’t tell followers to rape and pillage in his name.
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alinmatt
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:17am@leader1776, which one’s that?
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ModerationIsBest
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:39am@NAUGHTYCAL
Did you just say that our military members should commit treason?
Let me ask you.
What do you hold in higher esteem
Our Constitution or the Bible?
Which would you look to in order to make legislation?
If you say the Bible, you are a traitor to the United States.
If you would choose to uphold the Bible over the Constitution you have committed treason.
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booger71
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:44amThis clown should actually read the Constitution.
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AvengerK
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:45amVery good Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST…now please acknowledge that Page was diagnosed with clinical depression which worsened after his father committed suicide and then tell me that his aren’t the ramblings of his troubled mind lashing out.
Change your screenname it’s an insult to one’s intelligence.
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ModerationIsBest
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:50am@AVENGERK
I already beat you to the punch, scroll up on a different post and see what I said.
So quick to jump to the conclusion are you?
You seriously are a joke of a human being.
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kryptonite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:07pm@ALINMATT
Who’s God are we talking about here? Yours. Mine. The Catholic’s. The Protestant’s. Maybe Judaism’s. Or Allah.
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Until 2006, when Keith Ellison was sworn in on the Qur’an, any ceremonial swearing was done on the Bible. This happened under Bush, who mistakenly thought Islam is a religion and allowed it. This Islamist was sworn in en masse, i.e., without a religious text, so the Qur’an book-swearing was really a political jihad victory statement. I guess now a Congress member can be sworn in on the Satanic Bible too.
@MODERATION
At its core, Islam violates the Establishment Clause, since it does not allow freedom of religion or any other personal freedom for that matter. Therefore, Islam or any other totalitarian regime — theocratic or otherwise — should have no place in our branches of government. Islam violates the very spirit of the Constitution, and together with communism, it is destroying the belief system that birthed that doKument and our Republic.
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Metallicat
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:15pmSo to put God before country is treason? I dont think thats what our forefathers had in mind. putting the state before God would make one a communist,wouldnt it? Mans law is not superior to Gods law. Our Constitution is based on Gods laws. Our rights come from God. I choose to be on Gods side against any nation of man who opposes him.
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RavenGlenn
Dec. 6, 2012 at 1:47pmAbsolutely false Kryptonite. In 1901 Theodore Roosevelt did not swear on a bible.
John Adams also did not swear on a Bible. He swore on a book of law.
Lyndon Johnson swore in on a Roman Catholic missal.
There has never been a requirement to swear on a bible. And those examples are only presidents. There are also a bunch of presidents that chose to not to ‘Swear’ their oath and instead chose to ‘affirm’.
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alinmatt
Dec. 6, 2012 at 2:00pm@kryptonite, I don’t care which book they’d like to swear on, I’d have them swear on their lives. Maybe place a bullet in their hand and say their oath.Then we take that bullet and tag it for them. When they break their promise, we get the bullet back out and give them a permanent reminder of the oath they took.
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kryptonite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 2:16pm@RAVENGLENN
You’re right, but my reply was to ALINMATT, so I was referring to any other alleged RELIGION. Catholics believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and his son Jesus Christ, at least the ones who are true Christians do.
@ALINMATT
So should we now remind the entire military of their oath, you know, the part where it says against all enemies foreign AND domestic??
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alinmatt
Dec. 6, 2012 at 3:04pm@kryptonite, how many congressman, presidents, senators, etc do you think actually believe in the god of the bible? Most people who want to get elected in this country are going to claim to be Christian. Do you think swearing in on a bible has any impact on those people? I don’t care if they want to swear on a Satanic bible. If they can get elected as a Satanist, then sure. But maybe we should put real consequences in front of our elected leaders.
I will tell you that all alleged RELIGIONS, whether it is Christianity, Judaism, or Islam are nothing more than ancient models of government. The governmental model of Judaism walked hand in hand with its high priests, just as medieval Christianity did, and Islam’s version as well. I can’t say that I’m fond of any of those options.
Referring to my comment about which God, let me explain. The orthodox, catholic, and protestant churches all have different bibles and beliefs. Within those sects are different denominations, all with different theologies. Within those denominations, are individual churches, and within them each individual has their own view of who their god is and how to serve him. Then there’s Judaism. Jesus has no place in their definition of god. If we’re going to have a standard oath dependant on a god, who’s interpretation of god should we use?
As far as the military. Yes, they should be held accountable to their oath, but be very careful about who you are defining as a domestic enemy, you may be nex
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scarebear83
Dec. 6, 2012 at 4:00pmModeration- Then call me a traitor. While I have not served in the military I still put the Bible, God’s word over man’s any day. Right now the Constitution does not go against God’s word but that is subject to change at the hands of men at any given moment. If or when that happens I will gladly be called a traitor or worse should it come to it. Man is not my salvation.
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kryptonite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 6:41pm@ALINMATT
Do you think swearing in on a bible has any impact on those people?
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No, but it is not the personal religious beliefs that matter. It is the upholding of the Judeo-Christian principles that shaped our Constitutional Republic and our unique covenant with the God of Nature.
Ellison was key, bc his act heralded in a spiritual victory for Allah-Satan. Satan is aiming for Islam, not communism. He wants worship proper, and he will get it before he is bound forever.
You may not be fond of Christianity as our model of govt., but it worked well for several centuries. Despite our errors — some grave — we were God’s proof of what He can do with a nation that acknowledges Him in their daily lives. You may not know much about true Christianity, but it is based on personal faith. It was not easy for God to get a whole nation built on those terms, but He did, because even atheists were willing to follow the foundational principles that the Founding Fathers laid.
You err if you think there is a nation on earth that does not have a spiritual system underlying its governance model. They all do, even communism. Heck, communism is driven by a venomous anti-God spirit. Just ask Saul Alinsky.
I define a domestic enemy as anyone with power to destroy our Constitutional Republic from the inside. That would never be me. :)
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alinmatt
Dec. 6, 2012 at 7:23pm@kryptonite, Christianity is not our government model. It was Europe’s. Our nation was shaped less by Christianity and more by the religious freedom that was offered by coming to America. By coming to America people were able to escape the religious persecution of Europe. The colonies had different sects of Christianity and even practiced religious persecution. Some of the original congressional delegates pushed for church representation within the constitution and were struck down handedly. Getting colonies with different beliefs to agree on a constitution required that no one’s religious beliefs be represented in it. Religious freedom can only exist under secular law, that is why there is not one mention of God or Christianity in the constitution.
Our country is a Christian nation, not because of its laws or traditions, but because the majority of its people are Christians.
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ModerationIsBest
Dec. 6, 2012 at 9:40pm@SCAREBEAR83
Do you follow the ten commandments, do you believe those are the key 10 things to abide by?
The very first commandment is to not worship any other God.
Our Constitution says freedom of religion.
You say the Bible is the “word of God” but you all have different interpretations of your God’s supposed “word”
Which one is right? Who are you to call someone who disagrees with your interpretation a heretic?
The Constitution talks about how no one is above the law.
You openly state that your God is above the law.
The Constitution directly contradicts and goes against the Bible in many ways, you just look at it through rose colored glasses.
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scarebear83
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:08pmModeration- Wow, ok where to begin? First off the ten commandments were only given to the children of Israel along with the other 600 some odd laws. You cannot separate the 10 commandments from the whole law, so no, I don’t follow the 10 commandments, I follow Christ’s law. But that doesn’t mean I’m free to worship any other god so I don’t know where you’re going with that one considering the Constitution says nothing about worshiping it or anyone in office.
Yes our Constitution gives us freedom of religion and? God gives us free will so people in this country are free to worship or not as they wish bearing those practices don’t terminate a person’s life or physically harm them.
Man has different interpretations but God’s word interprets itself. For example most denominations teach that all one has to do is believe to be saved and they’ll cite John 3:16 but belief is only one step. The Bible teaches one must also repent (Luke 13:3) confess Christ (Matt. 10:32) and be baptized in order to be saved (Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38). And where did I call anyone a heretic? Anyone who disagrees with God’s word (not mine) isn’t a heretic, they are simply lost.
God is the lawgiver, our Constitution should be under Him not the other way around. As I have stated though, our Constitution does not contradict His law. Please give me examples of how you think the Constitution contradicts the Bible?
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kryptonite
Dec. 7, 2012 at 1:04am@ALINMATT
We disagree on two points:
1) Christianity was not Europe’s model. As I tried to explain in my last comment, theocratic Christian governance is an oxymoron. It’s the people of faith, i.e., We the People coming together, like you said in your last sentence. One day Christ WILL rule, but He is God, and only He can be a perfect King.
2) Religious freedom is not the product of secular law. It is the product of laws inspired by Judeo-Christian principles. Secular societies fail to provide religious freedom because they become intolerant of those who want to be religious. That is why children are suspended when they silently pray over their meal in public schools, or ridiculed because they believe in creation as opposed to evolution. That is why Christian businesses will now be forced to provide abortifacients to their female employees, and Christmas is under attack.
America was unique in that we strove to uphold those unalienable rights affirmed in the DOI, and our inspiration to do so came from God. Man alone never has and never will provide freedom to his fellow man. Where Divine Providence is absent, we murder and enslave each other.
You will soon recognize the dire effects of secularism. Ironically, secularism is doomed because it will be utterly choked by Islamist zealots. As you well know, they define freedom as Sharia law.
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ModerationIsBest
Dec. 7, 2012 at 1:08am@SCAREBEAR83
As I said, The Bible clearly states that no other God should be worshipped yet our Constitution says we have freedom of religion.
The Bible condones slavery(yes please give me the, “oh well it was different times then” or “well it’s not the slavery you think of) kind of bogus answer, we outlaw it. For awhile there, we followed the Bible by owning slaves, but thankfully we saw how barbaric it is.
“God is the lawgiver, our Constitution should be under Him not the other way around.”
This statement itself contradicts the Constitution as we are not to establish a religion. You are saying that we should we should base our laws around the Bible, which is therefore establishing/favoring a religion.
By using the Constitution to force non Christians to adhere to what you think your Bible says immoral, is unconstitutional, which is why our Constitution is based on a secular law, not a biblical one.
“Simply Lost” “heretic” same thing. Again, who are you to say they are “lost”? Maybe to them, you are the one who is “lost.” Again, by what right do you say that you are following the “TRUE” interpretation of the Bible, and they are following the “WRONG” interpretation?
Again, holding the Bible above the Constitution as the primary authority for how to govern is a statement a traitor would make. Surely you would say that to someone who wanted to govern using the Quran, would you not?
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kryptonite
Dec. 7, 2012 at 1:56am@MODERATION
As I said, The Bible clearly states that no other God should be worshipped yet our Constitution says we have freedom of religion.
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Get a clue, Moderation. You were never a Christian as you claim, or you wouldn’t make such a ludicrous statement. The law was given to the Israelites in the Old Covenant and fulfilled in Christ for believers under the New Covenant. I, as a Christian, am not allowed to worship other gods:
=> “And God spoke all these words, saying,
‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me.’
Clearly, God was not speaking to the Egyptians, was He?
Jesus doesn’t force anyone to follow Him.
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jettson
Dec. 7, 2012 at 9:40amJesus Chirst Who else.
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scarebear83
Dec. 7, 2012 at 3:58pmModeration- Yes God does not want us to worship Allah or Zeus etc. but He also gave man free will. Our Constitution basically grants the same thing God has given man, free-will.
Show me where God condones slavery? God permitted for a time divorce in the OT for any reason but Jesus said from the beginning it was not so because of the hardness of Israel’s heart. God permitted and regulated certain things slavery being one of them. But let me ask you something, is it wrong to put someone in jail for murder and their freedoms be revoked and sometimes have to work jobs for less than minimum wage? In order to answer you about slavery I would need much more than the 1500 allotment. But I hope you’ll take some time to read this as it will be able to better explain about slavery in the Bible and I assure you it won’t be on and on about “Those were different times back then.”
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1587
Again show me where the Constitution contradicts? We have the right to freedom of religion, speech, guns, etc. By the Bible I have the authority to point out the truth however that doesn’t give me the right to force legislation saying a methodist cannot follow their practices. Let me ask you, what in the constitution do you disagree with that you think is Biblical?
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ChrisDiamond
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:55amThere is something to be said about a person standing up for their convictions and beliefs, despite the potential for serious backlash and other reprisals. It’s a shame that I am the first person to comment on this story here at The Blaze, but then again, the kid’s an atheist. Why would any of you say anything positive about him?
I would also comment on his integrity, but it seems to me he could have figured out all of his complaints well-before the 3.5 year mark of his education. Perhaps he sought counsel on how he should proceed, or what he should do… what the potential consequences of his actions would be, and that process took longer than he anticipated. I’ll never know, but I can and will applaud his courage to stand by and act on those convictions, come what may.
I’ve never attended a military academy, but I do not recall feeling any type of religious pressure, nor was I subject to any proselytizing by higher-ranking members.
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ChrisDiamond
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:00amMy apologies. When I opened this page it said there were no comments. Then I post mine and see some 22. It was an issue with the interwebs, and not my ability to see… or read. >.<
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thenewhickschick
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:22amI would have had more respect for him if he did not accept West Point’s offer to waive his tuition. Shame on those horrible men of honor at West Point for forcing him to accept a first class education and then have the Christian compassion to allow him to walk away from his obligations to them because of his mental state. I’d like to see Stanford do the same for a Christian who felt their beliefs were marginalized throughout three and a half years and then just allow them to walk away. This is why I have to keep praying to God to “grace me with strength.”
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DamoclesAurelius
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:24amI have a feeling that the clinical anxiety and depression that this young man was diagnosed with had more to do with his outburst than any real “persecution” that he claims happened.
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tdmonkey
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:31amI have attended an Academy, the same one as this individual, and there was no pressure there either. Sadly, most cadets did not attend services regularly. I honestly have no idea where this individual’s points are coming from.
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ChrisDiamond
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:00pm@TheNewWhicksChick
“I would have had more respect for him if he did not accept West Point’s offer to waive his tuition.”
If a medical finding, like clinical depression and anxiety deem him unfit for service, why should he be forced to repay the education costs? Would you approve of an active serviceman or woman repaying their salaries and benefits after 3.5 yrs of service because of a medical development after enlistment?
“Shame on those horrible men of honor at West Point for forcing him to accept a first class education and then have the Christian compassion to allow him to walk away from his obligations to them because of his mental state.”
First, his attendance at West Point was upon appointment after application. No one forced him. Second, this has nothing to do with “Christian” compassion. It has to do with medical requirements for wearing the uniform. He was medically unfit for service.
“I’d like to see Stanford do the same for a Christian who felt their beliefs were marginalized throughout three and a half years and then just allow them to walk away. This is why I have to keep praying to God to “grace me with strength.”
At Stanford, students either pay tuition out of pocket, earn scholarships, or through Federal and State-subsidized loans for education. A Stanford student is free to walk away anytime, so long as they pay what’s due. There’s no ‘service commitment’ for attending Stanford. This guy isn’t fit to meet his commitment.
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Wiley41
Dec. 7, 2012 at 5:58pmLighten up Francis, err… I mean chrisdiamond. Are you 1) really that stupid or 2) being blatantly dishonest to push your agenda
You attack newwhickchicks for saying that “shame on West Point for forcing him to take a first class education” by stating I no one forced Blake. Seriously, do you not understand sarcasm? Again see above, stupid or lying?
Then you use a complete straw-man stating that Blake should note have to repay since we would not ask an enlisted solider to repay salary after 3.5 years. Again seriously, do you really think these situations are comparable? Are you again stupid or lying? First when you go to an Academy (and I did so I know) you are very clearly aware that you signing a contract. You can leave completely no harm no foul with no repayment if you leave during summer of 2nd going on 3rd year. After that if you commit again you owe money and service. Blake cites he supposed religious abuse was mostly during his Plebe year, that’s his first year. So why wait 3 years? An enlisted soldier gets base pay salary, housing allowance and some other pays, but he is performing work ini garrison or deployed. It is payment for service. Most of the money we spend on cadets is not salary, but books, tuition, housing, food, uniforms, computers, etc. the cadet salary is only a small ($150 now maybe?) stipend per month. IT IS AN INVESTMENT for a Cadet, where’s active duty soldier pay is a salary. We are paying up front in plans of getting a return on invest
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jessix
Dec. 8, 2012 at 2:41pmSee the last sentence of this article”:
“Page was medically disqualified this semester from being in the Army as a second lieutenant over clinical depression and anxiety — conditions that he claims have worsened following his father’s suicide”
Blake Page was disqualified from active duty for “medical” reasons – he has clinical depression. This is a permanent condition, requiring daily medication, which is not available when on active duty. His father’s suicide which he claims worsened the condition is another permanent condition. Once reported, “Cliinical Depression” remains a permanent part of one’s health history. Page may never be able to purchase firearms due to this reported condition.
This man who at first appeared brave to stand alone against the West Poiint establishment, is not so brave after all. He decided to blame his overexposure to other people’s religious beliefs for his leaving the school, when in effect, he was disqualified this semester from serving in the Army as originally planned. He was diagnosed as mentally unfit! Where does a West Point graduate go if he can’t serve in the military?
CNN and Huffington Post both are behaving badly, trying to make a case against religion in the service instead of objectively reporting the facts. Most complaints of religious bias in the service and at West Point are valid but quitting the arena to avoid fighting just removes one from the action.
Page no longer has a basis for compl
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alinmatt
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:55amHe was granted an honorable discharge and is not being required to reimburse. Hmmm. It makes me think that West Point wants to sweep this under the rug.
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charles116
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:17amThe military has been accused of this before.
And it’s accurate.
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helioquois
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:56pmYou are correct. Other cadets, after signing their intent to complete their education and serve, were they to pull a similar stunt, would be asked to pay for their education. However, the medical aspect of his clinical depression leaves open the possibility that his resignation, being on medical grounds, is warranted; therefore the Army did not ask for compensation or any military service. I think his missive to the Huffington Post is part way an angry response because he gets the dismissal he wants, not just in the way he wants. By the Army dismissing him prior to completion of his studies, he has no degree in addition to no commission. Do we know if he leaves with a degree?
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USACommoner
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:51amBlake, if you’re scared, say you’re scared.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:00amThere ya’ have it in a pithy nutshell.
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Marine25
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:41amIf he was scared, he’d not be an atheist.
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mercenary4freedom
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:00pmAgreed, it beginning to come to fruition that he’s more than likely heading to the sandbox. This is his “over the hill” moment. weasel.
I’m sure the Army just wants this chicken sh* t out of their system. No place in the military for an officer that cannot or will not honor his commitment. Makes for a very bad leader.
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Metallicat
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:03pmMy grandfatther and his five brothers all served in WWII and all credit their faith for bringing them home and seeing them through the worst years of their lives. One of the major reasons that the “Greatest generation” was great was that the majority of them were people of faith.
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vaman
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:48amIt took the blaze a long time to pick up on this story. Good for this guy. Making a stand for what’s right…is always right. He served in the military, then goes to West Point. So he’s not afraid of combat (as some of you will contend). He just doesn’t want to be around religion and West Point is not a religious school. He is 100% correct. He will go far in life with strong convictions like that.
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BODYBAG
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:56amHe didnt seem to have any problem with taking the $300K.
Both of you should receive a bullet behind the ear.
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USACommoner
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:00amTypically, personnel go to West Point and THEN serve in the military. In exchange for a free education, they commit to military service for a period of time. I’m betting this boy hasn’t seen combat and that’s what he now fears. Explains why it took him 3 1/2 years to figure out he didn’t like praying.
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BODYBAG
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:01am“Page was medically disqualified this semester from being in the Army as a second lieutenant over clinical depression and anxiety — conditions that he claims have worsened following his father’s suicide.”
History of mental illness. Go figure. Get out.
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CPLGEORGE
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:03amHe should have known all those facts before accepting the coveted appointment to West Point. Instead he chose to sit out over three years, taking the space thousands would have loved. There was a saying when I was in the Marine Corps, there are no atheists in fighting holes, nor were there any on 9-11-01. Whomever recommended him for that appointment should not recommend any others.
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BasketFullOfPuppies
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:04amI respect your opinion. But, I doubt very much that you are correct.
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BODYBAG
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:08am“History of mental illness. Go figure.”
Sounds to me like God is trying to tell this kid something.
I fondly refer to this as the lead boot treatment. God puts the lead boots on you and
they’ll continue to get heavier & heavier until you finally decide to give up because you
simply cannot lift your feet anymore.
Some people just like doing things the hard way. God doesnt mind. He’s got all the time
in the universe.
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Cavallo
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:09amDon’t worry. West Point will be made to fall in line with the official religion of the State. Some of the older institutions like West Point take a little longer to conform to the godlessness required by the Lord of State, but they will be forced to conform. The State cannot allow its officers to have a god other than itself, although it may tolerate it as long as they practice their dirty heresies in the basements and in secret.
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AvengerK
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:09amah BODYBAG…the shoe drops.
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Back To Reality
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:14amUSACommer.
Blake was an enlisted man before being appointed to the academy…just for clarification.
That said, his claims about Constitutional violations lack validity or substance, and he is a hypocrite for being a part of all of these religiously-defined organizations while decrying the presence of opposing elements which simply don’t match his own views.
While I spent time in uniform and won a few education dollars because of it, I only wish that I could’ve gotten a free education and been paid a stipend while earning my degree with religion being the most difficult challenge I faced. Blake is such a crybaby.
There’s more to this story; the military doesn’t give this stuff away.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:59amBACK TO REALITY. You are correct, Page WAS an enlisted men before being nominated to attend West Point (his Commander encouraged him to apply). He was serving a short / non-combat tour in South Korea when all that transpired. It’s said that his Commander saw “something in him” and encouraged him to apply.
I wonder if anyone “saw something” in Bradley Manning and encouraged him to enlist? Not to put Page in the league of a traitor like Manning in any way… but there are many who seemingly enter the Military with the best of intentions (or not) and wind up sprearheading some kind of activist assualt on their chosen profession and some of the institutions contained within it.
Was it planned activism? Would Page have used this rationale if after Korea his can was being sent to a combat zone and found some other way to bring his atheism, or the atheist cause to the forefront??
I dunno’… but Sandra Fluke comes to mind in these situations as it relates to our Military and activism…
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ChrisDiamond
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:25pm@BODYBAG
As evidenced by your name and a comment like this:
“Both of you should receive a bullet behind the ear,”
it is rather easy to deduce that you have some bloodlust and anger issues. Are you a Christian? Do you think Jesus would approve of such a remark? Oh wait, let me guess… How Jesus would feel about it has nothing to do with this, since an Atheist is pointing out potential hypocrisy. Either way, Christian or not, you might benefit from some psychotherapy to help you deal with this and to learn that advocating killing people who disagree with you is not a mentally healthy approach to life.
Dear Christians on The Blaze:
If this guy is a Christian, it is rectal orificies like this that do disservice to your faith. You complain and defend against those of us who point out the war and bloodlust in your midst, yet you do little to correct those who claim your faith and make such statements. Either you are ignorant of the teachings of the man you worship, lack the moral courage to call out heretics like this, or you just do a better job of hiding your own maniacal tendencies than this guy.
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Uncurable wound
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:46amShoot it!
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UNALIEN
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:45amSounds like BS, must be more to this story,,,
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subic
Dec. 6, 2012 at 12:47pmProbably for the best. Just by listening to this bozo I could see a “fragging” by his own troops in his near future.
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chicago76
Dec. 6, 2012 at 3:21pmThe whole story. Here’s a guy who gets a free education and then skates out of his military duties afterwards. I wonder how many of the classes will transfer to his next school. He probably has it all mapped out already. If I was him, and as smart as he seems to be, I would have everything set up with another school to finish my degree within a year, before I got my exit papers. No student loans, no debts, no bills, no 4-6 years in the military. A very smart kid. A true Obamazombie at their finest.
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NONCENTS
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:45amLet me get this straight….this guy endures nearly 3 and a half years (maybe more) of hell at West Point, to all of the sudden quit months before graduation because he wants to be true to his atheist sensibilities? Really? Boy, that’s……. convenient.
Oh, wait I think I feel a tear coming on….Boohoo.
There. I feel better now.
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matt_c
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:45amAnd nothing of value was lost.
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AvengerK
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:44amYou know…these militant atheists are starting to sound more and more like militant homosexuals. They have such fragile sensibilities….and they’re so persecuted and not allowed to be free and loving atheists. Gosh..are atheists allowed to marry? It’s going to be the civil rights issue of our time right after homosexuals have their turn.
I love the AP article’s verbiage….”the plight” of these cadets..lol. Oh the suffering..oh the humanity….sorry..”humanism”…
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lonwarner2
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:44amI can guarantee you one thing, if he were to serve in Afghanistan and be captured by the enemy and threatened with beheading, he would be praying for God to save him. Why did he wait so long. You would think after 2 months he would have resigned.
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Marine25
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:29amNo, he wouldn’t. He doesn’t believe. He wouldn’t pray to god under stress for the same reason you don’t pray to the tooth fairy under stress; you are certain there is no such being. Trying to get an atheist like me to believe in gods is like trying to get you to believe 2+2=5. 2 and 2 are not 5. So why would anyone suddenly believe a false equation because of stress?
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Xiccarph
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:43amGood riddance. He will now go on a crusade for the rest of his life going from city to city, town to town, village to village, seeking any religious looking signage, displays, postings, or other showings or displays having any possible religious implications. His little black book of lawyers, atheist organizations, I-Am-Offended organizations, etc., will be at hand instantly should anything remotely offensive to him be seen.
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barber2
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:42amIt took him 3 1/2 years to realize this ? Humbug. He sounds like a typical lefty, emboldened by the recent rise in atheism . Anything to gain attention. Anything to disrupt. Seems like a very dysfunctional action, but that is what I have come to expect of the Left : they are angry, maladjusted, and narcissistic. Everything revolves around them. They have no room for patriotism. For self-sacrifice. Or for God. They are too filled with Self to have room for anything else. Glad he will NOT be in any American military position. He would endanger those around him. Bye-bye. He would be more comfortable in Hollywood or some Chicago radical Democrat position. Both would fit him to a tee.
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jessix
Dec. 8, 2012 at 1:54pmI’m a non-Christian atheist but I’m none of the things you claim atheists are. I always celebrated the Christmas holiday with a CHRISTMAS tree, without the accompanying beliefs and rituals performed by religious Christians. I don’t begrudge anyone else for expressing themselves as they feel necessary. I don’t impose my beliefs on others and don’t expect them to impose theirs on me.
We are all human beings and as such, our experiences are similar. You may believe God will even the score. I believe what goes around comes around. You believe in heaven and hell AFTER life ends. I believe we make our own heaven and hell ourselves, as we live and how we live. Different verbalization, similar beliefs.
Some of my best discussions have been with religious people. We basically believe the same things except religion gives a God human-like characteristics. Whoever or whatever is responsible for us is not necessarily something we understand. I was not there when the earth was formed or when people evolved so I cannot say with certainty who is responsible. I like to see proof before I jump to conclusions or believe what someone else tells me.
I live my life as best as I can according to the Golden Rule. If there is a Christian hereafter, I’m sure your God will understand where I’m coming from and I’ll be saved with all the other good people.
Read the last paragraph of this article. Blake Page is mentally ill and cannot serve. He used religion as a face
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MistaB
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:41amGood riddance!
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AvengerK
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:45amagreed…vaya con dios..can I say that without offending him?
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BetterInformed
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:38amA coward. So now he owes the government $250,000 for his education.
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barber2
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:43amHe probably is counting on Chicago radical Obama to ” forgive” his loans to help destroy capitalism ! These two go together like love and gay marriage .
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charles116
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:19amNo he doesn’t. Read more than the headlines.
Folks of ALL religions have dies for this country.
Now isn’t that simple?
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tothepoint
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:37amAtheism is a religion.
Atheists deny that but its true. Atheism meets the criteria of a religion.
Yet, some militant atheists such as Page, are intolerant of other religions and trump up ways to discredit them, destroy them, and make something off of it.
This is your 15 minutes of fame, Page. Like many of your ilk, you’ll get rich and get noticed by lying and proselytizing for your own godless religion.
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AvengerK
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:46amAbsolutely atheism in the manifestation it is in people like Page is a religion. They have their Bishops, their churches, their canon.
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Marine25
Dec. 6, 2012 at 8:30pmAtheism is not a religion. I don’t even know WHY anyone makes that argument. Are you trying to suggest that we are just as irrational as theists? You weaken your theistic position by defining atheism as one many religions.
Atheism isn’t even a choice any more than believing the fountain of youth in ‘Coccoon’ in a choice. It would be great to believe in a fountain of youth, but I can’t; there is nothing to suggest such a thing exists. Atheists call ‘em like they see ‘em. Theists call ‘em like they are taught.
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kickagrandma
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:37amGood. Go live in venezuela or cuba or iran. They will love you there. We tried to love you here, but you would have none of it.
Values, constitution, GOD~~~ that’s AMERICA, baby. Love it of leave it!
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ChrisDiamond
Dec. 6, 2012 at 1:19pmI served my country honorably, and I believe in freedom on a much deeper level than what we talk about here on The Blaze. I do not believe in God, so why should I be the one to have to leave because 99% of the 535 people in the Congress, our President and 99.9% of all political appointees are freedom-hating, murderous theives, and because I disagree with you? That’s love and respect for freedom right there, Grandma.
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themachinist239
Dec. 6, 2012 at 1:40pmLOL “Go to Iran” she says. Way to list a violent theocracy as an alternative to an atheist. Were you trying to imply Iran is a secular society? Wow.
Please clarify this comment: “Values, constitution, GOD~~~ that’s AMERICA, baby. Love it of leave it!”
Are you saying “love the right to worship any/no god”? Because that part I do love. —this is what I thought you meant, but I’m curious, were you at all saying that if one doesn’t personally believe in god, to leave?
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Marine25
Dec. 6, 2012 at 8:22pm@kickagrandma
I served 25 years between The Marine Corps and American Foreign Service. I never served gods as I have never believed. I served Americans. Even the ones, like you, who invite me to leave because they don’t approve of my absence of faith. You serve jesus, mohammed, zeus, ra, whatever. I serve Americans. I’m okay with your service, and mine.
@machinest
kickagrandma also once said Lawrence O’Donnell wouldn’t know a loving Christian if one ”kicked him in the shin”…comedic genius I tell ya.
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RightUnite
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:37amRight… Odds are he sucked, and couldn’t make the grade….
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bava
Dec. 6, 2012 at 11:01amAnd how did you do at West Point? Yeah…thought so. Now STFU.
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Metallicat
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:37amI thought West Point was now a gay drive thru wedding chapel?
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OldSurfRat
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:36amBye Bye Blake or should I call you Nancy.
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elosogrande
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:35amPretty late in the day for this excuse. Sounds like someone who might be afraid to go into the military for five years. The Army should send him a bill for his education – whatever it cost the U.S. Taxpayers.
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Dame.Felis.Catus
Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:56amI agree. Why did he wait until “just months before graduation” before he resigned? Sounds to me like he’s holding a grudge against the military because he was “medically disqualified this semester from being in the Army as a second lieutenant over clinical depression and anxiety.”
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