New LDS Web Site Urges Gay Mormons to Stick With the Church
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has a message for gay adherents: Don’t abandon the faith. A new web site, MormonsAndGays.com, has been launched to encourage understanding and dialogue among adherents. Titled, “Love One Another: A Discussion on Same-Sex Attraction,” the web site delves deeply into a controversial subject that the Mormon church has sometimes been criticized for.
The web site overwhelmingly embraces the notion that gays and lesbians who are church members should stay, rather than exit the faith. The overarching theme is one of kindness, calling for both “love” and “hope” in dealing with this contentious issue.
A screen shot from the new LDS web site
“When people have those (same-sex) desires and attractions our attitude is, ‘stay with us,’” Elder D. Todd Christofferson of the LDS Church’s Quorum of the Twelve Apostles explained in a video announcing the decision. “I think that’s what God is saying: stay with me. And I think that’s what we want to say in the church: stay with us, and let’s work together in friendship and commonality and brotherhood and sisterhood.”
Deseret News has more about this intriguing project:
The website is part of an effort by the church “to teach and clarify the church’s positions” on various issues, said LDS spokesman Michael Purdy.
“There are some aspects of our belief and practice that are simply not well understood,” Purdy continued, adding that other issues will be addressed by the church in a similar fashion during the next few weeks.
Production for the site has been underway for more than two years, Purdy said.
“Too often these types of big, important issues are dealt with in sound bites, and often by individuals who do not have the complete picture of what the church is doing,” Purdy said. “We hope (the website) will be a resource for better understanding and better communication.”
Watch a video, below, that further explains the web site:
(H/T: Deseret News)
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4theThinMan
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 7:36pmthere is no such thing as a “gay” homosexual or lesbian – “Mormon”. Saying you are doesn’t make you one. Just like saying you are a “Christian” doesn’t make you one.
The LDS church does have a history though – of caving to government and “political correctness” to get along. Say what you will, believe what you will – Homosexuality is an abomination before God.
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Locked
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 10:14pm“ere is no such thing as a “gay” homosexual or lesbian – “Mormon”. Saying you are doesn’t make you one. Just like saying you are a “Christian” doesn’t make you one.”
Is there such a thing as a Christian soldier? A Christian who has remarried? A Christian who has divorced? How about a Christian with drug addiction or a mental disorder?
“Christian” means “following Christ.” We may frequently fall short, but that doesn’t change the goal. As long as someone has Christ as their role model and his teachings as their goal. they are Christian.
You, sir or ma’am, are playing into the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.
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Advection
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 11:04pmLying is an abomination, too. Do any Mormons/Christians lie?
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cryinginthedesert
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 3:46amit’s more a “love the sinner, hate the sin”. We have to be accepting of LGBT because they are God’s creation and worthy of salvation and our love just as we are of Christs – All have sinned. If you are a Christian, trying to serve God and follow Christ’s teaching, Christ said to the harlot “your forgiven, go and sin no more”. People will sin, it is human nature to do so, when a person who is faithfully trying to follow Christ sins, it should not be premeditated or intently done. Homosexuality is an act which you must willingly participate, in which case you aren’t really trying not to sin as Christ has instructed.
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georgesgirl
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 9:53amIf you are a Christian, you follow the teaching of Jesus. If you are gay you are physically attracted to the same sex. Two different issues. If you believe homosexuality is a sin then don’t have sex with the same gender, but it is not your place to judge another. If you believe in God then you believe that we will answer for our sins on our own. In the meantime, look past the sin and see the person, you will find most of them are kind, loving, law abiding people. Spiritual peace and the love of God is important to many regardless of orientation.
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4truth2all
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 1:38pmYo Locked:
Not spliting atoms with you but … HOMSEXUALITY IS A SIN … we are to acknowledge our sin and REPENT ( turn from it), we are to ” KILL the sin that binds.”
ANY person that continues in their sin is in danger of “themselves being disqualified.”
This idea that it is OK to purposely continue to sin is teaching from hell.
THE CHURCH is supposed to throw out the person who is unrepentant in the hope that ___________ .
You finish the sentence … That’s SCRIPTUAL TRUTH !
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girlnurse
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 3:50pmAs Christians we are not “struggling to be Free”. We are “Free to struggle” If a Christian struggles in this area and they are truly a follower in Christ…they will struggle and repent…one thing they will NOT do, is try to justify their sin and change laws, etc. Big difference. ALL sinners are welcome at Christs table!
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 10:56pmLocked – You have to repent in word, thought, and deed in order to believe in Jesus. We’ve all sinned but we all have to repent. Watering down the Biblical truths isn’t going to help anybody enter into the kingdom of heaven. God isn’t going to lower his standards for anybody else.
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Remember_Benghazi
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 5:26pmWill Mormons change their minds about gays like they did about black people?
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FreakinA
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 6:14pmLets hope they encourage them to live high moral standards like they always have taught. While standing firm with the commandments of God.
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Trollkiller68
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 6:30pmThe church didn’t change it’s mind. It would’ve allowed all people to hold the priesthood. The people of the world and members weren’t ready. In 1978 people’s hearts and minds had changed, and continued to do so. Now we have a president that is trying to destroy that progress with racism all over again.
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loneindividual
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 4:51amMormons never changed their minds about Blacks.
Blacks have always been afforded their Constitutional Rights when dealing with the Mormons.
There are no stories of Mormons burning crosses & lynching blacks.
Utah was a Slave State before the Civil War….but all Children born by Slaves….WERE BORN FREE.
Slaves were to be protected by the Constitution.
& The Priesthood …. is all about SERVICE. It’s like how Women & Children are EXEMPT from being DRAFTED or CONSCRIPTED into the Military.
I’m no longer Mormon…but I can honestly say that Mormons are the 2nd most slandered religion on the Earth in all of History in terms of the # of lies. (Jews are 1st, Christians are 3rd…Muslims & Atheists don’t even come 5th).
Every religion has it’s short comings…but Predatory Racism isn’t with Mormons….& anyone who says otherwise is just like the Democrats when they say “There’s a War on Women!”
lmao
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theotherberean
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 2:57pmYou’re right, @LONE. Mormons didn’t change their minds about blacks being worthy of the priesthood, the Mormon god changed “his” mind. Mormons only followed this new revelation from their god (through their prophets) until they were called racist for excluding blacks. With tithing dollar signs as the motive, the Mormon god changed his mind and told them (through their prophets) that blacks were ok after all. The Mormon god is unchanging, and very understanding about changing his mind and often gives new revelation to match either current Mormon doctrines and beliefs, or secular laws, whichever is more advantageous to advancing and promoting the Mormon religion. Consistency is what it is all about.
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saranda
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 4:29pmMormons didnt change their mind, apparently God did as with all changes in the LDS church. Interesting that God changed his mind about black priesthood at the same time the IRS was threatening the tax free status of churches which discriminated by race. To invert a Ghandi quote. I like your Mormons, I do not like your mormon church.
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brian8793
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 1:20pmGod Bless HIS CHURCH! Christ is King and he sits at the head of this Church. I have family members who are homosexual, and they still respect the Church because they too know it is run by Christ. Test the spirits brothers and sisters, they don’t lie!
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 5:41pmBut do they understand that Christ condemns homosexuality and Jude 6-7 show a link between Genesis 6:1-2 and Sodom and Gomorrah in SEEKING STRANGE flesh?
Homosexuals that say homosexuality is not sin are going to the eternal lake of fire as is shown by Jude 6-7
The resurrection/rapture is at hand http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
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Blacktooth
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 7:41pmShould Christians accept members into the congregation who do not or cannot adhere to a clean conscience and moral conduct?
3Beloved ones, though I was making every effort to write YOU about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write YOU to exhort YOU to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones.4My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ. – (Jude 3-4)
True Christians will be diligent to keep their congregation clean in God’s sight.
“A little leaven ferments the whole lump”. – 1 Cor. 5:6
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loneindividual
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 4:55am@Blacktooth
Jesus sat down with Sinners.
Sinners & Saints are suppose to goto Church to hear the message of Repentance & the Good News.
It’s obvious you need to Listen before you Speak.
EVERYONE IS SUPPOSE TO GOTO CHURCH….even people without religion…like me! (Deist cuz Atheism is just stupid)
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jays
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 12:24pmare you prepared to marry gay couples
Because it is only a matter of time
http://scottfillmer.com/2008/07/06/christian-photographer-refused-gay-wedding/
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koa
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 1:49amThe LDS will never consent to the marriage of gay couples especially in their temples. see https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation
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LibertyGoddess
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 11:42amShame on those who criticize another human or organization that is extending an olive branch to help our youth (who may be tempted by the filth of this world) stay connected to Christ. A true Christian will love one another, show forth kindness and understanding at all times. You have never been asked to judge another or shun them. Christ only works through love.
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 12:11pmMan was created in “God’s image.” (Ge 1:26, 27) He, like all other created things, existed and was created because of God’s will. (Re 4:11) God’s assigning work to him showed that man was to serve God’s purpose on earth. (Ge 1:28; 2:8, 15) According to the inspired apostle, man was created to be both “God’s image and glory” (1Co 11:7), hence to reflect the qualities of his Creator, conducting himself so as to reflect the glory of God. As God’s earthly son, man should resemble, or be like, his heavenly Father. To be otherwise would be to contradict and reproach the divine parenthood of God.—Compare Mal 1:6.
Can a deliberate unrepentant sinner accomplish this?
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 12:13pmJesus encouraging his disciples to manifest goodness and love in a way surpassing that done by “sinners,” persons known to practice sinful acts. He stated that only by following God’s example in mercy and love could his disciples ‘prove themselves sons of their Father who is in the heavens.’ (Mt 5:43-48; Lu 6:32-36) Paul ties in God’s glory with the matter of human sin in saying that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Ro 3:23; compare Ro 1:21-23; Ho 4:7.) At 2 Corinthians 3:16-18; 4:1-6 the apostle shows that those turning from sin to Jehovah “with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, [and] are transformed into the same image from glory to glory,” because the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, shines through to them. (Compare also 1Co 10:31.) The apostle Peter quotes from the Hebrew Scriptures in stating God’s express will for his earthly servants, saying: “In accord with the holy one who called you, do you also become holy yourselves in all your conduct, because it is written: ‘You must be holy, because I am holy.’”—1Pe 1:15, 16; Le 19:2; De 18:13.
Sin, therefore, mars man’s reflection of God’s likeness and glory; it makes man unholy, that is, unclean, impure, tarnished in a spiritual and moral sense.—Compare Isa 6:5-7; Ps 51:1, 2; Eze 37:23; see HOLINESS.
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katzkiner
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 12:54pmSo says the purveyor of Jewish myths. Jesus taught forgiveness and SIN no more. Preaching to a homosexual is like curing a crack addict. It has to come from the addict.
Besides the homosexual is just scoping out the little boys in your church.
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katzkiner
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 10:59amThose of you who want to be tolerant of gays should visit some gay porn sites. Don’t download ANYTHING be cause most of it is KIDDIE PORN. Of course they want to hang “around”, your children are their primary targets , you dummies. Know your enemy! I am a Christian, but I keep a razor sharp.sword as.commanded by Jesus.
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bintalshamsa
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 7:58pmYes, I’m sure you just visit gay porn sites so that you know how to witness to homosexuals. LOL Keep telling yourself that.
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katzkiner
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 5:50pmBintal, your a racist, bigoted, homophobe. Here kitty.
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saranda
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 7:01pm@katakiner – you can go to hetero porn and find exactly what you describe is found at gay porn sites. being gay is not about being a pedophile, in fact the gay community is very harsh on known child molestors. the funny thing about your comment is that it lines up oddly with Utah ranking at or near tbe top for porn use.
@lone- even FAIR acknowledges this phenomena. though in typical FAIR style they quote stats that have no relevance and ramble on in an attempt to confuse rather than address the issue. FAIR does more damage than good to the mormon cause as it bas led many away from the church with its obvious lies and deception. http://en.fairmormon.org/Utah/Statistical_claims/Pornography_use_in_Utah
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READRIGHTHERE
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 7:32pm@ Saranda,
Maybe the article was confusing for you, but it clearly spells out a case for normal not abnormal rates of porn use in our state versus others, and therefore exhonerates rather than repudiates the “Mormon” influence on the issue.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 10:16amAll for it. Ours is not to judge. There’s is not to corrupt marriage. A made up alinsky straw man to divide all of us. I could not care less if the person next to me is Gay, so long as they don’t bust on me for being straight.
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kiefchief
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 8:20amBeing a member of the Church, i feel like this is a great clarification for many to see our church. I like the previous posts… Hate the Sin, Love the Person Conflicted.
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soundtracktowar
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 5:05amI think this is the first post about the Mormon church that hasn’t been taken over by the antimormon idiots…….yet.
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skimmer57
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 7:12amJust a question soundtrack. Why do you think that the top ten states that down load porn are 90% red states? I thought the GOP represents the Moral Majority the Religious Right you know God Guns and Gold! Whats the deal? By the way Utah leads the country in porn downloads has for years. You Mormons sure are surprising!
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sbenard
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 8:38amSkimmer, you make all sorts of claims without a shred of proof. Put up, or shut up! You won’t, because you CAN’T!
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skimmer57
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 8:49amBernie–Go ahead and google (if your Mormon you should be familiar) what states down load the most porn. Get back to me choir boy!
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 5:46pmMormons teach a false gospel and are condemned Gal 1:8-9
Homosexuals are going to the lake of fire Jude 6-7 and is a one to one correlation between Genesis 6:1-2 and Sodom and Gomorrah and the seeking of strange flesh
Wake up people, time is running out leave the cults and leave homosexuality
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loneindividual
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 5:00am@skimmer57
Utah being the #1 state to download Porn…I don’t believe is the current fact anymore.
Besides….what if Mormons are so virtuous…that all the non-Mormons can’t get Young Mormon Girls/Women to sleep with them?
I’m pretty sure that Women wearing their Chastity Belts (or perhaps Mormon Undewear in this case) would cause an EXPLOSION (lol) in the Sexually Loose Goose Demographic.
HOWEVER, it is also possible that the study was HACKED. Remember…some people have more than one PC and multiple IP addresses in their home. THAT in addition to PROXY SERVERS serving as fake IP’s.
Somebody probably thought it would be Funny to make Mormons look like perverts.
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USA-Ron
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 4:47amdo promotive gays admit to un-natural use of sex organs
copulating or interacting in a use NOT intended by God ?
eeeewww a penis in a anus is sex — Yuck
if you are born with a sexual organ, penis or ******,
then you know what and who you are.
if you decide different, then keep it to yourself,
do NOT ask/demand to accepted as Normal,
that is NOT normal, nor what God intended,
there is NO Reproduction unless it is Man & Woman
No Hate, just live normally, created by God
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LogCabinRepublican
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 5:55amWhy does loving someone always turn to sex? One doesn’t need to have sexual intercourse to fall in love with someone of the same sex. Being in love is a wonderful thing and to be able to understand that is a good thing. In order to become a better person one must be open minded and except someone that isn’t just like you. When I see a man and a women together holding hands and showing love their love I don’t immediately think about the sexual part of the relationship. When sex is NOT a majority of it. Since copulating is the only reason men and women marry and form a relationship does that mean once you have reached an age that is no longer possible do you part your ways?
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truthnstuff
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 7:49pmLOG, with all due respect y’all just create straw man to try and make a position that you think is hard to reject. If you want to love someone then go ahead, WITHOUT engaging in unnatural acts. Your point is not love, it is to rename unnatural lust as love for your single minded purpose.
Anyone who wants to perform unnatural acts in the privacy of their home, go ahead but don’t flaunt it, don’t force others to accept it. I am not against gays and most people don’t care what you do in private, what most are against is “pro gay rights and advocacy”.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 2:01amI have no color prejudices nor caste prejudices nor creed prejudices. All I care to know is that a man is a human being, and that is enough for me; he can’t be any worse. ~Mark Twain
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Chuck Stein
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 2:48am“if you take in a stray dog and feed it, it will not bite you. This is the main difference between dogs and men.” — Mark Twain
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 3:40amKeaton – Then why do you lefties treat inbreds and other people who aren’t psychotic leftists like garbage?
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jdog777
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:09pmtolerance and acceptance are two different things. Should we love the homosexual? Of course, as we do any sinner. Do we desperately try to change the laws of God to please the homosexual? We can’t, who are we to God’s Law.
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LightOnAHill
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 12:04amMany people, not just in this post thread, miss the point – temptation is not a sin. Proof positive, Christ was tempted. The Bible does not identify individuals as “homosexuals” but instead Identifies a sinful ACT – “homosexuality.” Just as the homepage of this site states, consistant with the Bible I might add, that the LDS church does not reject individuals tempted by same-sex acts but condemns the acts themselves and will rigthfully encourage any individual to distance themselves from the sinful acts – not the individuals tempted by same-sex attraction. I hope that clarifies it for some. The LDS Churches stance is inspired. You’ll see that to if you prayerfully study the Bible and Crist’s life/teachings.
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sbenard
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 8:41amGood point, Lightonahill! I hadn’t thought of it quite that way!
Being tempted isn’t a sin. Capitulating to it IS!
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TMOverbeck
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 10:39amLight: The Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality is similar; the attraction isn’t sinful, the action is.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:50pm@DittoHead: What a very sad, uninformed person you are. Believe me I’ve heard it all.. ALL my life! And I am so over people like you.
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DadRocked
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:50pmIf one is into sheep or whatever…
I am tired of the crap…!
One’s sexual preference DOES NOT define the individual…
If one’s sexual preference does define the individual then they are shallow.
Not to mention an empty soul?
This forced sexual acceptance only leads me to ask…
Who are you crappin’ ?
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ClingingtomyGUNS
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:38pmI am a Christian, and Jesus taught us to love. He also taught us to help our brothers and sisters when they are overtaken by sin. Matthew 18, gives clear illustration on how to deal with sin inside the church. We are to talk to them in private, then if they do not repent, bring one or two more with us. If that second does not work, then take it before the church. If they still do not repent, we are to disfellowship from them. This last straw is supposed to be an emotional sting, to bring the sinner to repentence. The fact that God wanted us to discipline ourselves, is for one simple reason. The church is His bride, and He wants her to be pure. He is not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentence. I know people, who I am friends with that are gay. I do not call them out on their sin, because, they are not my brothers in Christ. If they were to ask me my opinion, I would try to gently steer the conversation towards pleasing God. If one of my brethren were to come out of the proverbial closet, I would be bound by the teachings of my Lord, to do everything I could to help them see the error of their ways. I would do it with Love, Kindness and Respect. I am not a homophobe, bigot or Mormon hater, I merely love my God. I love Him so much that I want to do His will. I want the same happiness I feel to be felt by everyone I know.
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Oldmantex
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:56pm@ cling – well said!!
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INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on December 10, 2012 at 1:13am@guns finally…your the only post who got it right
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MatrixRedPill
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:35pmPlease learn from Glenn Beck. Have you noticed, Glenn always asks, “Why?” first.
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MatrixRedPill
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:34pmWe, Conservatives, are too innocent, too inexperienced, too naive, too boy/girl scout, we are such easy preys.
Please Please Please think “Why would this person want to approach me?” “What benefits him/her?” “What is the meaning behind the words and smiles?”
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:01pmWe’ve also bought into the lie that tolerance is a good thing. The left uses tolerance and diversity to steer us away from our values and principles and over towards their beliefs.
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MatrixRedPill
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:01pmWe shall study the art of war from every possible strategists from the past, East, West, North, South…
http://www.cet6w.com/exam/5310.asp (This is Sun Tzi’s Art of War)
plus adding on the current technology available.
For example, free cell phones were direct line to each O voter, so that their voters can be reminded to vote that day.
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Marine25
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:17pm@git-r-done
So intolerance is key?
How’s that working out for Republicans and conservatives lately?
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Sparhawk
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:13pm@Marine25: I find it interesting that “tolerance” seems to only be expected as one-way by liberals: they want the conservatives to be “tolerant”, or agree with everything the liberals want. When discussions lead to conservatives wanting liberals to be tolerant of their conservative believes, the liberals aim all kinds of name-calling and insulting remarks to the “intolerant” conservatives.
Tolerance goes both ways.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 1:13amGit-R-Done
The is a line between tolerance & acceptance. If they are gay, tolerate them. If they want to recruit your kid, they are beyond tolerance & demanding acceptance. Take it up the with the law. If that doesn’t work … well you know what to do.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 1:16amMarine25
And gays are tolerant? Not by a long shot. Read JMG.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 3:42amWalkabout – Good point.
Marine25 – Since when have you leftists ever been tolerant of anybody who doesn’t follow your leftist dogma?
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LogCabinRepublican
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 6:11am@WALKABOUT – you say “recruit” your kid? Excuse me? That is a Bigoted comment! Pedophiles are disgusting! I definitely DO NOT want a child, I want a MAN. We are not Pedophiles. Pedophiles are sick disgusting individuals and need to be put in prison.
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jcldwl
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 7:59am@ git r done
You are absolutely right. The mormon faith is mislead. I read their website and they say alot of things that sound good but just keep reading and you will find the things that contradict the bible. Now they are wanting to be tolerant of the gay lifestyle. The bible does not tell us to be tolerant of sin. Christians struggle with sin on a daily basis. The difference is we don’t say, Well it’s okay go ahead live that lifestyle of sin it’s okay just make sure you stay with us and tithe (if you are in a church that does that you should find another church, one that teaches the bible). Christians work towards living a life pleasing to God based on biblical teachings. And when we talk with people we know are living a life of sin we witness to them about what being a Christian has done for us in our lives. See many people become Christians after they have been living lives filled with sin and find that they need to leave old friends and lifestyles behind to mature as Christians. That would include homosexuals. If they become Christians they will desire to change their lifestyles to be pleasing to God. God does not tolerate our sins so why should we tolerate sin. Satan uses homosexuality to corrupt humans just as he uses other sins to corrupt people. Their is no difference. Satan is working hard to corrupt the church and is succeeding on many levels. Don’t fall prey to what the world says we should do. Believe in Jesus and study the bible to know the truth.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 1:11pmLogCabinRepublican
No it is not. It has been happening since Greek patricians have been taking adolescent boys under their wing.
As I have argued before, the same teachers that demand or forcibly suggest that boys be put on Ritalin will be the same idiot savant like teachers that would say Johny is not learning because he is conflicted.
Gays also want to lower the age of consent one to be consistent & two lower like Europe. that sounds like a world of crap to me. Myself I would raise the age of consent to age 18 & graduate form high school with anyone outside your age cohort (anyone +/- 3 or 4 years your age. I have read too much about Cunanan & the aged Canadian Minister who made it with a 15 year old boy (in British Columbia) to be buying any bridges from the gay community.
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random26
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 9:09am@ jcldwl
You should know Mormons will not tolerate gay lifestyle. If they act on their feelings and have a homosexual relationship and/or have homosexual sex they are to be treated like any other member in the church if they were to have fornicated which means they have a possibility of being excommunicated. The church is only tolerating people being in the church that have the same sex attraction but do not act on the feelings. If they act on the feelings they have a high chance of being excommunicated. Also someone mentioned the LDS leader talking about validating feelings and how they thought that was wrong. What validating feelings means is actually stating you believe they are real. Someone said it was bad to validate their feelings. I think this is a misunderstanding. Validating their feelings just means you believe they are there and real and not made up like some people think. Doesn’t mean you validate those feelings as a good idea.
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MatrixRedPill
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:31pmI think the Liberals have figured out how to “get” or “corrupt” each of the Conservative groups. For example, they figured-out that our military men are red blooded men, who love women. So, what do the Liberals do? They use women to pull-down our military men’s reputation.
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ares338
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:40pmExcuse me! If these people are pulled down it’s because they are liars and have no morals!
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MatrixRedPill
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:02pmNo one is perfect, even Jesus was tempted.
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encinom
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:18pmParanoid much?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 3:43amEncidiot – Since when aren’t you leftists paranoid? Don’t be upset that we know what kind of evil snakes your kind are.
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MatrixRedPill
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:29pmJust my 1 cent worth. I actually stumbled upon a regular movie (not sex) made for gay men, I forgot the name. Anyway, the whole story was to encourage gays to lure / approach / entice these innocent Mormon missionary boys; the ending was their persistance worked.
I think it is a coordinated move by the gay community to “get those Mormons.”
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encinom
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:22pmDude, you need help, a good shrink. You are not awakened, the Matrix was a move, you are just a paranoid nut job. There is no grand liberal plan to corrupt the nation. Their are movements to make sure the nation lives up to its ideals and promises of equality under the law for all.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 3:43amEncidiot – You’re saying the same things that Stalin did. But that’s b/c you’re a good little brainwashed Marxist sheep.
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FunFunFun
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 9:49pmEncinom,
Hollywood movies are definitely trying to create trends and direct thoughts. With Hollywood’s worldwide distribution of movies, they are able to influence the world.
TV shows like 2 1/2 men, Jersey Shore, … are trying to corrupt the younger generation. Music industry does a good job at it too.
I was young before, I had to go through the influence of Hippies, the Doors, Beach Party, San Francisco… good thing I was too poor to get into any drugs or dope.
So, what is your excuse?
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FunFunFun
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 9:54pmFound the name of the gay influence Mormon movie, name: Latter Days (2003).
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freeberty
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:20pmAnd I think that’s what we want to say in the church: stay with us, and let’s work together in friendship and commonality and brotherhood and sisterhood.”
Is this code for homosexual orgies at the secret temples?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:28pmAny proof to back up your claims?
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Ditto Head
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:50pm@Saturday
It’s common knowledge what goes on in your temples.
The systematic worship of Lucifer.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:46pmI think its code for following jesus teachings
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kiefchief
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 8:27amIts sacred mate… Not horrifying. Please don’t resort to tearing down what we call sacred.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:19pmIt simply boils down to being loving toward one another as Jesus taught. You can hate the sin but not the sinner. We are all God’s children… he loves each and every one of us unconditionally and we should try to do the same. God may not condone some of our choices in life, but he never stops loving us. Are we better than God? I dare say no we are not. This Ad is just trying to tell members of the Church to LOVE ONE ANOTHER as Jesus taught. That’s how I see it anyway..
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:27pmMormonism is not Christianity, it is a cult and nothing more. The fate of homosexuals is detailed in Jude 6-7 and that fate is the eternal lake of fire.
These are indeed the last days and the resurrection/rapture is IMMINENT http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
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Zakk
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:45pmLol, I got a good laugh out of that Rapture. If you are “christian” by definition you are in a cult… just look up the definition.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:09pmZAK
Enjoy that laugh, it will soon be silenced and you will know true horror at your errors and that is so sad.
Romans 10:9-10
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MatrixRedPill
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:12pmI love Mormons because I like their results: they are able to create excellent law abiding citizens, and a bunch of them !! Boy, do we need more good productive citizens!! Thank you, Mormons.
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brother_ed
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:28pm@RAOTURE
I’m sure you know this, but every sinner has until their last breath to repent.
No person is so righteous they can’t be turned, nor is any sinner so lost they can’t be saved.
My understanding is that the idea isn’t so much to not sin as it is to not die in your sins.
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Zakk
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 10:22pmRapture,
I am actually not concerned in the least. I am more concerned about God’s judgment than a mans judgement due to his own Theology and Ideology… Heck everyone is going to Hell from another Religions/person’s perspective. Where many people err is through their hate laced teaching and complete lack for the teachings found in John 13 : 34 – 35… as well as the realization’s found in Matthew 7: 2 . So sad that people will be judged the way they judge other people.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:17pmIt is my lifelong understanding that this issue has always been dealt with by compassion and kindness-and in absolute confidentionality. Our family experienced it. At 67 I can also say I never heard a mean , ugly thing said about anyone. That is just my experience, I know people of the same faith can sometimes be very different, but I never met any, I am thankfull to say.
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BlackCrow
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:13pmIt was this sort of abandonment of morality along with adoption of leftist “social justice” causes that drove me away from the United Methodist Church. Now it looks like the LDS church is heading down the same road. They wonder why their membership is dwindling? Just like the Republican party they need to make up their minds what their core values are and find the backbone to stick with them.
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:03pmOh, I’m laughing. Membership decreasing? I think not.
The LDS Church makes very clear they do NOT condone sexual behavior out of marriage, of any kind. That is on the web site. Spend some time there and you see only love. You do know, of course, that no young person asks to have feelings for the same sex??
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clodius
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:19pmI watched the video. Obviously you didn’t or you wouldn’t make such a retarded statement. There is nothing to suggest the Mormon Church is going to follow the Methodists, Episcopalians and most of the rest of Protestantism into supporting gay marriage, gay clergy… Actually it is stated several times that marriage is between a man and a women, and they aren’t going to change their belief.
Also, your statement about the church membership dwindling is incorrect. It is one of the religions in America that is growing. 30 seconds with Google found this http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-02-16-church_growth_15_ST_N.htm and http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/belief-blog/2010/feb/12/latest-church-growth-stats-in/ and a bunch more.
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encinom
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:30pmIts the fire and brimstne preachers of hate, the Conservative Christians that are drive Americans away from the church.
Sorry bible based bigotry is dying out with the older generation, the GOP is awaken to the fact that America is a liberatarian nation, not a hate filled theocracy.
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brother_ed
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:30pm@ENICOM
This might bother you, but I agree with you.
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Ohello
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 12:11amEncunom: it is the perversion of God’s Word that drives people from His Church represented by the major denomination of American churches. Many leave because they discern heresy, those that remain are headed down the wide path (no longer following Christ) and led by perverted dogma. The same lies that you spin with each post.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 3:56amEncidiot – How come the churches that accept and preach all of the leftist garbage you suggest they need to do are experiencing dramatic decline in membership while it’s just the opposite with the churches who do the opposite of what you suggest?
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theotherberean
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 1:34pmOf those Mormons who believe that the Mormon Church is the only true church on the face of the earth:
• 56% no longer attend the Church
• 20% attend weekly
• 7% attend every other week
• 17% attend less often
http://www.whymormonsquestion.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Survey-Results_Understanding-Mormon-Disbelief-Mar20121.pdf
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FISH_BONE
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:11pmCan’t wait to read all of the anti-Morman religious bigotry on this thread.
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Zakk
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:50pmMormon anything is 100% Troll food, on websites like this…. They should just go to the Huffingtonpost and troll with their own kind.
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theotherberean
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 1:45pmHow about a little “Historical Christianity” Bashing by the intolerant and bigoted Mormons?
LDS Apostle B. H. Roberts wrote, “Saddening as the thought may seem, the Church founded by the labors of Jesus and His Apostles was destroyed from the earth; the Gospel was perverted; its ordinances were changed; its laws were transgressed; its covenant was, on the part of man, broken; and the world was left to flounder in the darkness of a long period of apostasy from God… a universal apostasy from the Christian doctrine and the Christian Church took place” (D.H.C., Vol. I, Introduction, pp. 39 and 41).
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theotherberean
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 2:17pmNot to mention, there is absolutely NO evidence of any “apostasy” or “falling away” as LDS claim. And with good reason, since the Bible insists that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church which Jesus Christ built and is the Head and Cornerstone of. There was nothing to “restore” as nothing has been lost.
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loneindividual
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 4:03am@TheOtherBerean
Ok, reading a few of your posts, I have realized you are in need of RE-EDUCATION from your LIBERAL BULL****
It’s obvious you don’t know the Definition of Bigotry or even it’s SYNONYM much less why Bigotry is considered a negative trait.
Bigotry is based upon Prejudice towards people that espouse a religion (philosophy, culture, cause)
What you were quoting was directed at what Mormons viewed as corruption of Christian Principles…which did in fact happen…even Catholics & Protestants admit to such corruptions…such as the propagation of Indulgences, Slavery, Torture, Empire, etc.
Christians aren’t Christian…Christians are Sinners. Doesn’t take a Mormon or Christian to see that!
The Mormons have always left others alone except to set others free (which is why Mormons are not pacifists yet not imperialists)
You’re a moron if you don’t know the difference between Condemning a Religion and Condemning a Person that follows principles that violate Man’s God Given & Natural Rights.
What Protestants did to Catholics here in The New World (The America’s) & what Catholics did to Protestants in The Old World (British Ilse’s and Europe, etc)….THAT was bigotry (Prejudiced) Because THE CYCLE OF HATE NEVER ENDED.
Now stop trying to pit people against one another. Mormons, Protestants, & Catholics, know very well what Bigotry is. Each can defend their own well enough.
Now stay in your own Godless Corner
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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:11pmWhat does that mean? “Stay, rather than exit the faith.” Faith in what or whom? Sounds like a plea linked to finances. Pretty petty at best.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:23pm@ TRONINTHEMORNING: Your argument is lame. Next!
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The-Monk
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:26pmHi TRONINTHEMORNING,
Did Trollmonger ever call your radio show?
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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:45pmHey SATURDAY, my argument rings very true. I understand the ‘mega church’ gig. Very dangerous. And MONK, no the twirp failed to call in. Darn it! LOL!!!
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Zakk
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:48pm@Tron, maybe you should look up the mormon church’s finances… With each member paying 10% of their income, honestly if it is about the money, then they wouldn’t make any significant dent in the church’s income. That is why Saturday said your argument was lame, because it was based completely off of no factual information nor statistics….
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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 4:31pm@ZAK
I hear from folks who used to be in the Mormon church and those are the facts I base my opinion. And my opinion is just that; mine.
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Zakk
Posted on December 8, 2012 at 10:27pm@Tron
Own up to your financial “fact” that the church “NEEDS” these members for finances. I would like to see the impact on the mormon church’s wealth that these few members would have. It is next to nothing btw… Chances are that when you say “friends” that usually means that you are referring to yourself.
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theotherberean
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 2:02pmWhen you’re funding billion dollar malls in SLC, every penny counts. If only 1% are homosexual, 1% of a billion dollars is still $10 million. That’s a lot of money to just turn your nose up.
Why are Mormon financial records not made public?
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Zakk
Posted on December 9, 2012 at 6:18pmThe mall is also doing amazingly well, it would be a different story if it was failing… 10 million is not a lot of money, to a church that generates around 6 Billion on a yearly basis, and which has a funding source that keeps on growing by the day (It is still one of the fastest growing churches in the U.S.).
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theotherberean
Posted on December 10, 2012 at 2:12pmI still disagree. Just because you say so doesn’t make it so. See a link to the chart in a previous post which also disagrees..
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loneindividual
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 7:37pm@TheOtherBerean
Money is the sole Motive?
I thought Money was used for Influence? What if the Leadership of that Church actually has a conscience and a brain and realizes that if it gives up Eternal Principles…then it has no longer has any Foundation….of Divine Origin or not!
Money is used for things that people actually CARE about….I wonder what that might be….
Oh! That’s right! Infrastructure for Individual or Communal Self-Reliance and teaching everyone Correct Principles to begin it!
Even Atheists & Marxists agree on that….but they take the opposite position of the following.
Religion is the Cause of the Individual.
Church is the Organization for that Cause.
If you disagree with me…I’d put you in the Category of Atheism/Marxism….cuz only a Tyrant or a Nihilist (or a useful idiot…same same) would say “Religion is the Opiate of the Masses.”
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