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See These People Fail Miserably at a Basic Christmas Quiz: ‘Where Was Jesus Born?’

Dec. 7, 2012 10:35am Billy Hallowell

Fox News’ Jesse Watters took to New York City’s streets to ask people some very basic questions about the Christmas holiday. While a number of the responses were spot-on others were, shall we say, monumentally inaccurate. From Jesus’ profession to the location of his birth, the hilarious flubs are a must-see.

“Where was Jesus born?,” Watters asked, with many correctly answering “Bethlehem.”

“Bethlehem is in Pennsylvannia,” one woman responded (clearly, she was joking).

And the hilarity doesn’t end there. When it came to the gifts that the wise men brought Jesus following his birth, gold, frankincense, and myrrh (the correct presents) weren’t in everyone’s memory bank. The alternatives that some claim the Biblical characters brought? A “lamb” and “baby diapers,” among others.

Some of Watters’ subjects also attempted to sing Christmas carols as well. Below, watch the comical dialogue ensue:

(H/T: Fox News Nation)

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KeithOlberdink
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:11pm
I was really surprised nobody blamed Christmas on Bush.

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- v15
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 4:56pm
  I thought Jesus’ birthday was roughly around April 6th, which is also roughly around the same month and day that he was crucified, killed, and resurrected??
  
  Btw why would the bulk of Christians worship the cross when it was really in the Garden of Gethsemane where he suffered for the sins of the world??
  
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- FoxholeAtheist
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 5:08pm
  No where because Jebus never existed in the first place.
  
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- Michael61
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 5:18pm
  Disclaimer: I am an atheist. Now, a little rant.
  
  Of course, Christmas tree is a pagan tradition, winter solstice tradition which originated in Babylon.
  
  Of course, Easter is a pagan holiday, celebration of fertility, which also originated in Babylon.
  
  Of course, the story of Jesus’ death and resurrection is copied from a similar Egyptian story.
  
  Why are those crazy raving atheist fanatics attack Christmas and Easter then??? Because they hate Christianity, of course, and everything associated with it. They hate all traditional values. They hate traditional morals and customs. They hate.
  
  Too bad those stupid rebels don’t realize: There could be no rebel without the establishment. There could be no alternative art without the classic art. There could be no originality without the mediocrity.
  
  They owe their whole ideology and their whole existence to protesting against traditional values. They would have no ideas what to believe without those traditional values. They would be nothing, zero, zilch, if they destroyed all traditions.
  
  Let Christmas be. Let Easter be. Live and let live others. Enjoy life.
- AmericanCountry
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 5:33pm
  Well, we Christians don’t worship the Cross. It serves as a reminder to us of the fact that God sent his Son to us to pay for our sins by dying in the most ignoble manner. It also reminds us of the suffering and pain that He went through to, as the words from Amazing Grace say, save a wretch as me.
  
  The empty Cross reminds us also of the fact that He conquered death and that if we only believe in Him and follow Him so shall we.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 6:08pm
  V15 – His death is the atonement, not the suffering of the Garden or the lashes. The wage/price of sin is death. Without death, there is no remission of sin/forgiveness. This is an Old Testament concept reworked by the Lord Himself. In the OT, it was a pair of goats that served for the communal sacrifice on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement). One was a burnt offering in the Temple, and the other was sent into the wilderness. In other atonement sacrifices, sin offerings could be a lamb or two doves. This why Jesus’ parents brought doves (they were poor) at the time of Jesus’ redemption, 40 days after His birth (Exod 13:13; Luke 2:22-24).
  
  Read Paul’s letter to the Romans (3:25; 5:8, 10; 6:5, and others) for an in-depth explanation of the sacrificial death Jesus suffered in our place.
  
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- angryamerican33
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 6:15pm
  actually when studying Leviticus 23 and the holydays,Jesus was born oct15 on the gentile calender during the feast of tabernacles.De 25th would be the day he was sent/concieved,Christmas means the annoitted is sent.Counting backwards from oct 15 for a normal pregnacy you end up on De 25th…the day he was sent…
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 6:50pm
  AngryAmerican – Actually, it’s an English contraction. Christ’s mass gets mushed together in typical British pronunciation into Christmas, all one word.
  
  It’s rather like “Cheshur” rather than “Chesh-shire” for “Cheshire.” We have it here — Worcestershire sauce is pronounced “woos-te-shur.”
  
  Love the Brits!
  
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- glassaudioguy
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:15pm
  Likely Dec. 25 was when the Wise Men found the still infant Jesus- http://www.bethlehemstar.org. I agree with V15 that he was likely born in the spring, as that’s when the shepherds would be “watching over their flocks by night.” Christmas as the actual birth of Jesus would be pretty much on top of Easter.
  
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- glassaudioguy
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:17pm
  @ Michael61- Of course, the story of Jesus’ death and resurrection is copied from a similar Egyptian story.
  
  Actually, that story came later, meaning the Gnostics borrowed from the Christians, not the other way around.
  
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- Beck_Art_Obama_In_PeePee
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:34pm
  KeithOlberdink – “I was really surprised nobody blamed Christmas on Bush.”
  
  Well, considering that the ruler-ship of this present world is Satan’s (remember only at Christ’s return do “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ”), we could make that case against Satan’s sub-ruling minions (Genghis Khan, Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Bush, Obama, et al) for their part of the blame. :)
  
  But back to “Christmas”:
  
  Why celebrate Christmas? The answer depends on who you ask. To the kids, it’s Santa Claus and toys. To the adults, it’s a paid holiday and visiting with the relatives. To the religious, it’s the birth of Christ and good will to all mankind. To the merchants, it’s the year’s profits.
  
  Ostensibly, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Yet, the “traditions” of this holiday to have little to do with the savior of mankind. All we know of Christmas today was not known to Christians before 200 A.D. The source of all these traditions, and what that means for us today, is shocking.
  
  Did you know the original Christians did not celebrate birthdays?
  * World Book Encyclopedia *
  “The exact date of Christ’s birth is not known. The early Christians did not celebrate His birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”
  
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- Beck_Art_Obama_In_PeePee
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:38pm
  PART 2
  
  Did you know that Christmas was celebrated long before the birth of Christ?
  
  * Merit Students Encyclopedia *
  “December 25 was an important holiday long before the rise of Christianity. The Romans knew it as natalis solis invicti (‘the day of the birth of the unconquered sun’). Natalis solis invicti fell during the great Roman winter festival, the Saturnalia. It was also the most important feast day of the Mithraic religion, one of the chief rivals of early Christianity.”
  * New Catholic Encyclopedia *
  “Inexplicable though it seems, the date of Christ’s birth is not known. …. Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome. This theory finds support in some of the Church Fathers’ contrasting the birth of Christ and the winter solstice; indeed, from the beginning of the 3d century ‘Sun of Justice’ appears as a title of Christ”
  * World Book Encyclopedia *
  “The first mention of the observance of Christ’s birthday appears about A.D. 200. For many years, several dates were used. December 25 was first mentioned in 336.”
  * Merit Students Encyclopedia *
  “The leaders of the early Church willingly accepted December 25 as the most probable date of Christ’s birth. The Christian festival could be substituted for heathen celebrations, and Christ could replace pagan deities without completely changing the form of worship.”
  
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- Beck_Art_Obama_In_PeePee
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:42pm
  PART 3
  
  Did you know that Christmas was outlawed in Europe and America as being a pagan festival?
  * Merit Students Encyclopedia *
  “During the Middle Ages, Christmas became the most popular festival of the year. It continued to flourish until the rise of Protestantism in the 16th century. Some Protestant theologians objected to the extravagant feasting and revelry associated with the holiday. They also attacked such originally pagan customs as the use of Christmas trees and mistletoe. In England the Puritans, under the leadership of Oliver Cromwell, condemned the holiday. From 1642 to 1652 they issued a series of laws forbidding all Christmas church services and festivities. …. The pilgrim settlers in America brought with them the Puritan views that had led to the suppression of Christmas in England. In 1659 they passed a law forbidding Christmas observances in their settlements.”
  
  So, Christmas is really just an old pagan festival with modern sounding, Christian names. So, when you think you are honoring God and Christ, you are really turning your back and worshiping pagan idols in the manner they have been worshiped centuries before.
  
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- Beck_Art_Obama_In_PeePee
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:44pm
  PART 4
  
  Jesus and the original Christians had much to say about what is acceptable worship to God.
  
  apostle Paul:
  “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel — not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.” (Galatians 1:6-7)
  
  apostle Paul:
  “Therefore, my beloved, shun the worship of idols. …. What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.” (1 Corinthians 10:14,19-21)
  
  the LORD:
  “The LORD said to Moses, ‘Say to the people of Israel, The appointed feasts of the LORD which you shall proclaim as holy convocations, my appointed feast, are these. …. [read about them: the weekly Sabbath, the Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, the Feast of Booths (Tabernacles), and the Last Great Day] ” (Leviticus 23:1-44 & Deuteronomy 16:1-17)
  
  Just sayin’ …
  ;)
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:12pm
  The baby Jesus was born in the Holy city of Bethlehem. Wise Men brought unto him great gifts: gold, frankincense and myrrh. Those were great gifts, worthy of the newborn savior. Frankincense and myrrh were gifts beyond measure in ancient times, having use in sacred rituals for their fragrant properties when burned, as well as pharmaceutical properties of healing.
  
  These days physicians are little inclined to prescribe frankincense and myrrh for medicinal purposes because of their expense, although there are now generic equivalents available (ask your pharmacist). But those were items worthy of the newborn King.
  
  What of the other gift, gold? Gold is seen by biblical scholars as a gift given to kings. In this case the King of Kings. That just shows how valuable gold is.
  
  If you read the Bible you realize that the end times are upon us, especially given the reelection of President Obama, and with that, the return of Christ.
  
  When he returns, what gifts will you offer up to him? What do you have to honor his return to Earth? I think you know the answer to that. Given that frankincense and myrrh are in short supply, the only other gift appropriate to the King of Kings is gold. I’ve done my research on gold and I suggest you do yours against the Second Coming. But I’m sure you’ll agree with me that the best value for your dollar is to be had from Goldline. http://www.goldline.com/buygold-howto
  
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- Robphelps
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 1:32am
  Well FOXHOLEATHEIST you would be very wrong. The Roman-Jewish historian Josephus; wrote about Jesus and the Origins of Christianity around AD 93-94 in his writings called Antiquities of the Jews. There are two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20. There is also a reference to John the Baptist in book 18. An overwhelming number of modern scholars consider the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 to be authentic. It mentions James the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.
  
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- leafsmission16
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 1:55am
  Foxholeatheist there are at least 3 secular accounts of Jesus in history not including the Roman Gov’t records of His death. Three different historians at the time recorded some aspect of Jesus life on earth. So He did exist no matter what you may believe. Now if you don’t believe He is the son of God, well you are certainly free to do so. But the fact that Jesus was on the earth is indisputable fact, unless you don’t believe the written history.
  
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- Bro. Chuck
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 6:28am
  @Beck/art
  
  Well said, Brother….
  Amen & Amen!
  
  And here is where most slam into their “wall”…
  Finding themselves at this crossroads of decision -
  petty decision, really …in the “Grand Scheme”.
  
  Here come the excuses-
  Lies of ha-satan ….
  But grandma & Granpa want to visit the kids and give presents…
  I have to get more lights up this year to outdo bob down the street
  It’s not the same without a tree and decorations…
  The kids’ friends will think they are weird
  My friends will think I’m weird….
  Everybody else expects___________ (you fill in your own excuse)
  
  Folks,
  I’m just saying that you need to seek out your own answers-
  I don’t judge or condemn….
  That’s between you & your God.
  I just want to let you know so as not to be deceived…
  Be sincere to your Lord…
  Seek HIM -
  Not traditions of man.
  Religion is created out of tradition & expectation.
  RELATIONSHIP is one – on – one with Adonai.
  
  Don’t we all know better? Buy presents…
  Sing “holiday” carols…
  Good will toward men? A day or two out of the whole year?
  All so we can “feel good” or somehow rationalize the whole mess?
  into a justification of something “Holy” and acceptable to God?
  
  Do you ever find yourself crying when you look to His Face-
  And see Him shaking His Head in sadness that His children still don’t get it?
  
  Forgive us, Father…..
  
  Bro. Chuck
  
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- ambrosia
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 9:04am
  Eeee…yikes !
  
  Watter’s should have hit
  these stupid nincompoopers
  over the head with an uprooted frankincense tree.
  
  Obviously, most all of them played hooky from Sunday School.
  
  The good news is-
  if you invited all these dopes
  to your house on Christmas Day,
  you wouldn’t have to worry about feeding them
  because none of them would show up on the correct date.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 4:43pm
  Beck-art, et al–celebrating the nativity of our Lord is NOT a sin. Allowing anything to rise the level of worship is. Some of you are like Pharisees who would sooner have the Sabbath kept than a man’s hand be made whole and functional for his next workday!
  Some of you are missing the point. As humans, we need festivals tied to something. It is our nature. This is why YHVH took festivals of others and reworked them to fit the needs of His people. God takes us where we are, not where He might like us to be. He gently moves us toward where He would like us to be, but He does not chase us there. Think of Psalm 23 and how Jesus is THAT Shepherd. He says to take His yoke which is light and not burdensome.
  Festivals allow us to mark time into increments that we can actually deal with/handle. Festivals allow us to commemorate in deed what God has done for us. Christmas is one such festival. It is a calling to remember what God has done–God has broken into our world in a new way–God is one of us, Emmanuel! It matters not when you call that to mind. You could mark Christmas on the 5th of June for all that matters. What matters is that you do NOT forget the time when God came to be with us, to tabernacle among us (as the Greek says).
  God can use the other’s timing and sanctify it by having us look to Him instead of the other’s god. He does this with Jewish harvest festivals. He does it w/Christmas, too. Nobody remembers Saturnalia, but they see Jesus now.
  
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- Bro. Chuck
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 5:37pm
  Elena…..
  
  I’m not even sure where to start….
  So let’s pray….
  
  Father,
  Thank you for the people you’ve brought here to this discussion-
  We ask that you forgive us and give us Your Word-
  Your Truth….
  Pour out Your Shalom that we might lift each other and Glorify you,
  rather than bicker or strive…
  Let us reason together in Your Spirit as we seek wisdom and discernment…
  In Yeshua’s Precious Name,
  Amen & Amen!
  
  Please, sister….
  I am not saying sin – that’s between one and the Lord…
  I am only pointing out in Love that one needs to be very careful with traditions, rituals, religion, and most importantly, man-made doctrines.
  
  But look at what you typed:
  We all know the Festivals YHWH commanded be kept in the Bible.
  
  Then you say HE changed forbidden pagan things and added….
  You do mean the “church” leaders changed and added, no?
  They added / modified the pagan into “things of God” for what purpose?
  Because frail humanity needed distractions they (leaders) could control?
  
  It is only because time is short that I implore you, sister…
  
  God is pouring out His Spirit and calling to His children.
  He wants us to come in now…
  We’ve had enough time out playing-
  Don’t just listen to me….
  Reach out to Him yourself-
  Ask the Ruach HaKodesh for wisdom and understanding -
  in His Things…
  
  Be Bless’d in Yeshua
  
  Bro. Chuck
  
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- ERP
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 9:30pm
  @Michael61
  
  Thanks for being an actual gentleman instead of a typical @$$ hole Atheist like @FoxholeAtheist.
  
  I believe, you don’t. Who cares, right? Don’t put down my belief and I won’t put down your non-belief. Isn’t that how a civilized society supposed to be.
  
  @Foxholeatheist, stuff a sock in it and I don’t care if you served or not.
  
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- Beck_Art_Obama_In_PeePee
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 10:47pm
  Elena2010 – “Some of you are missing the point. As humans, we need festivals tied to something. It is our nature. This is why YHVH took festivals of others and reworked them to fit the needs of His people.”
  
  We really need to get things straight from thY Horse’s moVtH:
  
  “The Bible says in 2nd Peter chapter 3, ‘Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers [walking after their own lusts]‘. Did you there are people that scoff at the [Holy] Bible? The reason they scoff it says is because of their lust. They don’t want God telling them what to do. That’s the bottom line every single time. … The Bible says the scoffers are willingly ignorant [For this they are willingly ignorant of]. Willingly ignorant — in the Greek that means ‘dumb on purpose’.” -Kent Hovind, “The Creatiion Series”
  
  [29] “When the LORD your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land,
  [30] take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’
  [31] YOU SHALL NOT WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD IN THAT WAY; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; …
  -Deuteronomy 12, Holy Bible
  
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- FoxholeAtheist
  Posted on December 9, 2012 at 1:23am
  Nope. There are no records of Jebus’ existence outside the Bible. Everything was written second, third hand and so on many after his supposed death. The rest are admitted forgeries. No Roman records, no artifacts proving his existence, nothing. Nada. Jebus never existed. I dare you to look it up. I have. No, I mean really. Look it up. Do your research.
  
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- Kalish
  Posted on December 9, 2012 at 4:43pm
  foxholeatheist,
  
  Jesus is very real, you will get to meet him, and bow down to Him someday, Don’t try and say you were not warned ……
  
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- Robphelps
  Posted on December 10, 2012 at 1:08am
  foxholeatheist
  
  So then you don’t believe that Alexander the Great existed, or Julius Caesar, or any of the other people written about by past historians from antiquity. I gave you proof, but you haven’t given any from your point of view, because you know you are wrong.
  
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- HaywoodJablomie
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 1:12pm
  FOXHOLEATHEIST clearly isn’t too educated. Historians KNOW that Jesus existed. His existence is not even an issue. The only issue is whether he was the Messiah. Everyone knows that Obama is the real Messiah.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 6:11pm
  As we do not know the exact date of Christ’s birth, the date of December 25 for Christmas may have been arbitrary. His Church could have chosen another date on which to celebrate the birth of Christ. One reason December 25 may have been deemed suitable is its proximity to the winter solstice. After that date the days start to become longer, and thus it is at the beginning of a season of light entering the world (cf. John 1:5). The summer solstice—after which the days start to get shorter—falls near June 24, on which the Church celebrates the birth of John the Baptist, who declared of Christ, “He must increase, but I must decrease” (John 3:30).
  
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- smv803
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:29am
  @Fox
  One day, you’ll find out and it will be too late.
  God have mercy on your soul.
  
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- pebbles
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:14pm
  V15- Jesus prayed for hours in the garden, and was taken prisioner there. The torture happened after he had been presented to the Sandhedrin and Pontious Pilot, not in the garden.
  
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- pebbles
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:32pm
  V15 I don’t know where you got your information, but it is 100% wrong. No one knows the true birthday of Jesus, and while He was in the Garden of Gethsemane he prayed for hours, following the gathering of His deciples and Him, where He told Judas to go and do what he must do, and also after the very first communion was experienced by all of them togeather. The Roman soldiers took Jesus from the garden and was presented to the Sanhedrin, then was taken to Pontious Pilot, who after washing his hands of the situation, ordered Him whipped. The crown of thorns was then placed on His head before the people voted on whether to save Jesus or Barabas, which was a Passover custom, the crowd that was filled with the men of Barabas, overwhelmingly won the vote by outshouting the outnumbered followers of Christ. He was then taken to Calvary for His crusifiction.
  
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:04pm
A trustworthy source of our biblical traditions:

http://www.itbn.org/index/view/lib/Networks/sublib/Church+Channel/page/6

of the video offered choose: A Rood Awakening “Truth and Tradition” Nov. 17, 2012

another way to get to this video is tbn.org, choose the mobile (4) on scrolling screen, at left side of next screen choose archives, next screen choose networks, then church channel, then page 6, then choose the video with Michael Rood “Truth and Tradition” Nov. 17, 2012.

He explains how David, while in Babylon became very rich and trained all the astrologers and magicians. When David died he had no heir and the “magi” kept all David’s wealth and gold for the birth of the “King” that David foretold was coming. The Magi found Jesus when he was about 1.5 years old just in time for Joseph and Mary to escape Harrod. (Rood tells it better than I can remember).

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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:52pm
  Sorry — David was NEVER in Babylon.
  
  Babylon in David’s day was a sleepy backwater that would become the neo-Babylonian Empire that would carry off Judah into captivity.
  
  David lived his life in the region of what we call Israel today. There is no evidence he even went to nearby Tyre or Sidon. He carried on trade w/these via envoys.
  
  In the late Bronze Age, there were no powerhouses to the east of Israel. This is one reason Israel was able to “get off the ground” as a nation. Small kingdoms and city states dotted the Levant at this time while Egypt was also transitioning and posed no direct threat to smaller states.
  
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- willbedone
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:24pm
  I will just bet that you were thinking Daniel when you typed David.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 5:04pm
  Daniel, my brother, you were bigger than me. Can you still shoot the moon?
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 4:23am
  Elena2010 “Sorry — David was NEVER in Babylon.”
  
  I wonder if you will figure out he meant Daniel not David.
  
  “In the late Bronze Age, there were no powerhouses to the east of Israel.”
  
  Not surprising the giants ate everyone they could grab in the area. Over in Asian territory China built the great wall to stop them from eating them.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 4:31pm
  Dr Vel — the giants (nephilim) were long gone by Daniel’s time. The Great wallS of China were built to keep savages and other barbarians out of the “middle kingdom.” The last of which was erected in the Ming period, well after Biblical days.
  
  And yes, I do suspect Daniel was the intended man he mentions as was noted after my post.
  
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universalphilos
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:02pm
The spiritual messengers God sends to prepare a way for the Messiah’s coming in this time told us October 23, 1970, the day Jesus was born: “If thy, in thy grace and thy love for our Father, should say unto thyself, remember this date unto thee, that on the 26th day of this month, the light of our Father, and the light of the Cherub, which is both of the same, shall come, as it did once before in the 26th day of this month.”
See https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzyT3fgGxb4-bExxWDhNcUtGNnc

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- ltcwilly
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:58pm
  Huh, 1970?
  
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- flipper1073
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:39pm
  1970 Jesus is a Gen X er ?
  
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garbagecanlogic
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:55pm
Watters was correct on the places the magi were from – O’Reilly was wrong – as he often is. We need a nightly version of Watters World as it would help make O’Reilly worth watching.

Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8

The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
The U.N. Out Of The U.S.

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TeresaJ
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:50pm
This video is really cute. I’m glad there are people out there that are completely clueless to some of the bickering.

“Whistles “We Three Kings.”

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DebateMe
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:48pm
I’m not bothered by anyone’s ignorance on Christmas trivia. I’m only bothered by people who go out of their way to stomp it out. There are plenty of ‘holidays’ and other festivities that other cultures and people in engage in that I don’t. I let them. They should let me and the rest of us who enjoy Christmas do so. Our entitlement society needs to get it through their collective heads that while they are in fact getting away with an ‘entitled’ attitude toward just about everything, they still aren’t entitled to never be offended. Just like the rest of us.

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- RivahMitch
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:05pm
  Actually, when things collapse they may find it difficult to enjoy all the things to which they have come to believe themselves entitled.
  
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- DebateMe
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:14pm
  @RivahMitch – I have no disagreement with you. The promises of big government never come to fruition. History shows that. But we have a culture that isn’t interested in history. It is addicted to entertainment and the endless pursuits of titilation. That is why Americans are on the cusp of reliving bad parts of history, yet again. But this is really the subject for an entirely different thread.
  
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PlowMan
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:41pm
Love Waters World. Good segment.

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WatchingThePuppetShow
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:37pm
The ‘Christmas’ tree did not originate in Germany.

http://119ministries.com/let-the-christmas-trees-rejoice—119-thought

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- pudssweetie
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:43pm
  WRONG! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree
  
  The Christmas Tree originated in early Renaissance and early Modern Germany.
  
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- Jason342
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:11pm
  I seem to remember Jeremiah 10 saying:
  
  “For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.”
  
  This would imply that the custom started WAY before the Renaissance. It’s strange how little Christians seem to care about the roots of their festivals.
  
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- Jason342
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:15pm
  @PUDS – You’re quoting Wikipedia?!?! Lol That’s almost illegal where I come from.
  
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- RamonPreston
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:23pm
  Jason342
  You are right on. Unfortunately you forgot the first part that says “Learn not the way of the heathen.” Vs 2.
  
  Last year when I trounced the Xmas tree all kinds of people defended it. Hope you do better than I did.
  
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- Jason342
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:31pm
  @Ramond – It’s almost like Glenn’s “Obama in Pee Pee” only it’s Christians that get all riled up rather than libs. Everyone likes the holidays, being with family, “the Christmas spirit”, etc. but the Christmas traditions are from Pagan roots! Easter is even more obvious. If people really want to be “Christ-like” wouldn’t they be keeping the festivals of the Jews? To me it’s pretty clear when God says – do these things until the end of time (referring to certain festivals). Would Jesus set foot in a house if there’s a Christmas tree in there? I think he might say “hey, that’s just like the pagans used to do back in my day”
  
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- willbedone
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:35pm
  Jeremiah lived at the time that the nation of Judah went into captivity in Babylonia. That was Just prior to 600 BCE.
  
  Jeremiah 10:
  
  0 Hear the word which the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel.
  
  2 Thus says the Lord:
  “Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them.
  
  3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
  4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.
  5 They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves.
  
  Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good.”
  
  The Christmas Tree may have been re-discovered in Germany in the middle ages in the form of evergreen trees, however, its roots are much older and originate in Mesopotamia.
  
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- darkknight91
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 4:09pm
  The Christmas tree goes back to the days of Nimrod. After his death, his wife/mother Semiramis used the evergreen tree as a symbol of Nimrod’s immortality. Nimrod was the first king of Babylon. The tree is mentioned in Jeremiah when the Jews were in, you guessed it, Babylon. I crack up at Christians getting all worked up defending a pagan holiday celebrating winter solstice and the rebirth of Nimrod through Semiramis’ illigegitimate son Mirtha. Jesus was born in September. Easter is another holiday originating with Semiramis. Her name is translated into Ishtar or Easter, the goddess of fertility and sex. Why do you think Easter symbols are rabbits and eggs? Celebrate what holidays you want but don’t try to tell me the sky is green.
  
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- Bro. Chuck
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 4:47pm
  It wasn’t a “Christ”mas tree at all …..
  
  http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/cmc-48.html
  
  Nope, not Germany either…..
  Babylon.
  
  It got its “justification” amongst “Christians” when they blended St. Nicklaus (Scandinavian) and that Kringle fella…… and had to have something for that Frosty guy to dance around when he was “ressurected” (gasp!)…
  
  Folks…
  when you look around and see the insanity we are dealing with in the world…
  Spiritual Good / evil….
  people going off the deep end…
  etc., etc., etc.,…..
  
  Just think on this a moment -
  If God our Father and Creator wanted us getting all caught up in Christmas trees, fat men in red, easter bunnies, and little colored eggs…
  well, it’d really make a difference in humanity I’d guess, no?
  
  No Jeremiah spoke truth….
  when he stated to not be afraid…
  those “things” do not have any power, good or bad, in and of themselves….
  but the admonishon is not to run out and embrace the humanistic traditions…..
  
  If we kept our eyes on God and didn’t get caught up in all this distraction,
  think how better off we would be -
  to each other, to our neighbors….
  to wifes, husbands, and kids….
  to ourselves…
  and of course to our Maker.
  
  You know, if you pray to Him in sincerety of your heart for Him to show you the things He wants to make right in your life?
  He will definitely reveal to you what is important and what He wants to work on for you…
  don’t be afraid -
  
  Be Bles
  
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- Rebalee
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 5:03pm
  Everyone quoting Jeremiah 10. I never read that with the idea they may have even remotely been referring to a Christmas tree. I always understood that scripture to be talking about carving idols and covering them in gold for worship such as a calf or other animal or even an animal man combo figure such as Ral. With lots of imagination I suppose it could be just a decorated tree. However since all over the Old Testament Israel is warned against idol worship I’m going with the idol. I have four different bibles here in front of me in two of the four verse 10:5 says “Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk.” Who would suggest that a tree might walk. This scripture is talking about and warning against worshiping man made gods.
  I have never seen anyone worship their Christmas tree. Never heard in any of the multiple histories of where Christmas trees originated that it was worshiped at anytime in the past. It is no more evil than the ritual of throwing salt over your shoulder for good luck when your cooking. My mother in law always did that when she was alive. GRHS.
  
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- SolitudeBliss
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 6:04pm
  Sorry but Tannenbaums are GERMAN
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 6:22pm
  Jeremiah is NOT referring to a Christmas tree NOR to the ashtoreth that the Canaanites worshiped. Those were pole-like structures related to fertility gods/-esses in Canaan.
  
  Jeremiah is talking abt idols folks. The idol maker took wood, shaped it, then gilded it to make it look pretty for a rich customer. Sometimes they were not gilded — hence “knock on wood” referring to having to wake the god up by knocking on its idol. LOL
  
  I know of zero Christians who worship the Christmas tree. It’s a decoration in the home like a cornucopia in fall. The creche or nativity set is more like a tangible symbol of what is taking place at Christmas time.
  
  The secularists don’t like manger scenes either…they picked at them before they picked at trees! Why? Because the manger scene represents what is really going on – not the Christmas tree. Notice they do not pick at Hanukkah bushes (as some of my Jewish friends have) or at holiday trees. Secularists and atheists could care less about those. They get Christmas stuck in their craw like a chicken bone!
  
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AYoungLady
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:31pm
The Christmas tree did originate in Germany. It was popularized in Britan when Queen Victoria and her German husband, Prince Albert, had a Christmas tree. The trend influenced America soon afterward.

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- bobfrommosinee
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 11:11am
  Now just look at what you stated in Your post, Prince Edward, German, He brought the idea of a Christmas Tree to England from Germany, So You have just undercut your own assertion that the Christmas Tree is not of germent origin.
  
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RaydocX
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:25pm
Sheeple. the product of public education that teaches to a ‘nationalized testing’ goal instead of teaching the subject matter with confidence the students will be able to demonstrate their knowledge.

the product of PC, revisionist history, and focusing on a narrow minority’s perception of what is socially important vs. a broad fact based education.

the product of a school system where the kids who could learn so much faster if the cirriculum was provided in a modern format are drugged docile, so as not to bother the teachers and the slower students.

Television will have been the lead of this great Republic… but the poison isn’t the tv itself, it’s the inability or unwillingness to adapt teaching to new students, and the drivel that has replaced previous programming, and which encourages the unraveling of our civilization.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:32pm
  Education and teachers are lost. And, the idea that teachers are altruistic and ‘for the students’ is also false. Madison, WI, and Chicago, IL, proved that.
  
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NV3
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:17pm
What’s worse than people knowing where he was born is the people that are supposedly celebrating Him on Christmas. True Christians do not celebrate Christmas, it is not a Christian holiday. “You have let go of the commandments of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”Mark 7:8

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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:35pm
  And what do you celebrate, Jehovah’s Witness?
  
  Jesus celebrated what we now call Hanukkah – Festival of the Dedication, Passover, and likely the other Jewish festivals.
  
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- Oldtimer2
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:53pm
  Really!!! Christmas = Christ Mass You probably think there were no “Christians” before the reformation. Holiday = Holy Day Jesus, the Reason for the Season!
  
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- NV3
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:34pm
  I am not a Jehovas Witness, I am a Christian. I follow the Commandments of God. Please research the true origins and history of Christmas before attacking me. The Bible is very clear in what traditions to keep and which ones not to follow. If you still choose to celebrate it, that is your choice.
  
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- ltcwilly
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 3:01pm
  Pharisee much?
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 5:08pm
  Did TOMMYTOMMY hire you as a stenographer/ translator NV3?
  
  OK here’s a test….
  
  Filthy Catholics… your thoughts.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 7:05pm
  NV3 – I was not attacking you. I was questioning you.
  
  Celebrating our Lord’s nativity is not un-Biblical, just as not celebrating it is not un-Biblical. The Bible is silent on the topic.
  
  In the West, it is customary to celebrate birthdays. Not so in the East. Many cultures mark the birth of a newborn king as well as his ascension to the throne. In Jewish tradition, it is customary to mark the date of death, too.
  
  There are many traditions that are not noted in the Bible but are not worthy of scorn though.
  
  The celebration or non-celebration is not something to wrap your whole theology around. Living your life in one accord with God’s desires for humans to live is something far more important. Beware the leaven of the Pharisees though! It’s monumentally easy to get caught up in what you think is Biblical living only to discover that you have lost the spirit of the Torah in the assiduous following of the letters.
  
  The Torah is a wonderful love letter fm God to us in His creation. Read it like a love letter more than a list of things to do and you will not be far fm the mark. Do not turn the Bible or rigidly following its statutes into an idol. It will rob you of the joy of your salvation! Keep kosher but because you love God not because you’re required to do so.
  
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- NV3
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 8:23pm
  I have no idea what you all are talking about. I am a Christian, I follow the Ten Commandments and the Bible as best as I can. The devil is the author of confusion, as of right now this is his world, when God comes back we will have the truth revealed to every one of us, right now the whole world is deceived. If I truly believe that something like Christmas is not what God wants me to do, I am not going to do it, if you all think he wants you to celebrate it, by all means go ahead. I am sure I am confused about things in the BIble and you all certainly are as well.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 9:01pm
  NV3 – I do not find the Bible confusing at all. I have studied it most of my life and find it challenging and comforting, but not confusing. And, I too, am an observant Christian.
  
  You are right to say that the devil is one who sows confusion. If you don’t want to celebrate the nativity, that is fine by me.
  
  If you find the Bible confusing, try a different translation. There are many very fine ones in English that take into account a wide variety of needs of the reader. A simple but accurate version is Today’s English or the newer Contemporary English Version. An accurate but contemporary version is the English Standard Version. If you are more comfortable w/British English (rather than American), try the New English Bible or its revision. The Jerusalem Bible preserves a good bit of the sensual language of the original Hebrew by bringing it into English via French.
  
  Continue to study the Bible — every day, read and meditate on the Word and meaning. Find a reasonable book on the history of Israel to augment your understanding of what the Scriptures meant in their historical context so that you can faithfully move them into your world and apply them rightly.
  
  I wold avoid the KJV but not the revised version. The KJV’s English is confusing to many – pronouns were declined heavily then, but less so now. Furthermore, words have different meanings (corn in the KJV’s day meant any cereal grain – barley, wheat, etc., but not maize.) Corn is a New World crop.
  
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- Bro. Chuck
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 7:23am
  @NV3
  
  One important thing, friend….
  Seek God first-
  Ask for His Spirit-
  So that you will be able to touch God and know His Heart,
  as you walk through this life and all we must endure…
  That is why He sent His Spirit to our Hearts.
  
  He will reveal the things you seek answers to through His Spirit.
  Listen, and you will know it…. As the Spirit reveals.
  We know the Voice of our Shephard….
  YHWH wants us to be in relationship with HIM-
  Yeshua points us to YHWH,
  And Yeshua’s sacrifice allows the doorway to that relationship to be opened.
  When the Holy Spirit was sent, It was for this very purpose -
  To Allow us the access to receive AND to know…
  To understand the Will of Adonai for us…
  To recognize and confirm His direction & leadership of us…
  
  It says to “test the Spirit”….
  ( 1 John 4:1 )
  Does that not imply to seek its guidance?
  Does that remind you that God WILL answer when we ask?
  
  These forums never have enough room for the “deep ness” of these things -
  And I hope my “oversimplification” causes you not to stumble,
  to reach out to our Lord,
  and seek these deeper things….
  On your own with Him.
  
  How profound the scripture for the day is:
  Titus 3: 4-7
  Baruch Ha’Shem!
  
  Get into the Word and Seek His Lordship in your life…
  One on One with El’Ohim…
  He is Loving & Faithful to reveal His Heart to us!
  
  Be Bless’d in Yeshua and the Ruach HaKodesh
  
  Bro. Chuck!
  
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- NV3
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 12:29pm
  @Elena. You missed my point. I translate the Bible just fine. Funny how a Christian that chooses to obey the Commandments written by God stirs up the pot for you. I am a follower of His Son Jesus Christ and I know that the only way to God is through Jesus.
  All I said from the beginning is Christmas is NOT a manmade tradition that I want to take part in, I choose to celebrate the wonderful holidays from the actual Bible that the Lord clearly says to keep. No need for another essay from you, but thanks for your time.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 4:57pm
  NV3 – And I said that to celebrate the nativity of our Lord or not to — neither is a show-stopper.
  
  The Lord gave 613 commands in the Torah (Books of Moses), not merely 10 as you implied. The Lord Jesus pared it down to “Love God and love your neighbor” in the synoptics and only Love one another in John’s gospel.
  
  So, are you saying that you follow all of the above, or you follow only the ones that fit your perception. Paul reminds us that if we slavishly follow the Law, we have missed out on GRACE. Furthermore, he indicates that all things are now lawful since Jesus dies and rose fm the dead, but that not all things are useful.
  
  In the face of legalism, Paul pretty much nullifies the Law in his letter to the Galatians. However, because of the need for the Law’s necessary boundaries, Paul advocates the Law in his letter to the Romans and thru implication to the Corinthians who were having “lawlessness” problems.
  
  So, NV3, which laws are YOU going to follow and discount the rest? It’s all or nothing when it comes to the Law.
  
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liljoe62
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:12pm
When the LEGEND becomes the TRUTH, print the legend! Seems to me I heard that before, oh yes, the Liberty Valence Effect! With all the TIME that has passed, its hard to say WHAT the truth is, or so the Libs would have us believe! I simply go by what the BIBLE says, as it is (GODS word!) You non conformists who DONT believe in GOD, will have a different Christmas story! And at least you keep Christmas, and thats all that matters! Just as long as it IS a Christmas TREE, and NOT a holiday tree, I’m good with your belief!

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starsfan22
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:02pm
Christ was born in the time of the Roman-decreed census which was in autumn, and the shepherds were still “in the fields with their flocks” — certainly not in December — perhaps October? No one is certain.
Also, the Georgian calendar missed on the year of His birth by four years, so this is closer to 2016 A.D., if one wanted to be precise. Machs nix.

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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:16pm
  One thing we know for a fact is that he wasn’t born in Kentucky. You couldn’t find three wise men or a virgin in the whole state.
- universalphilos
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:57pm
  Here’s what messengers God sends to prepare a way for his coming in this time told us about the date of Jesus’ birth: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzyT3fgGxb4-bExxWDhNcUtGNnc
  I wish I too could have been one of the people to come and listen. But it was not until later that I met the angels.
  
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Tickdog
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:53am
i figured those idiots would have said Jesus was born in Chicago and he went by the name Barack back in those days..

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- wowjustwow
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:41pm
  Obama owns you…you do realize that, don’t you?? You are obsessed with him. You are making his day.
  
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starsfan22
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:53am
Could we avoid calling the Three Kings “astrologers?” They were early ASTRONOMERS. (The first is a pseudo-science.) I thought they were from Persia, as O’Reilly said, but I learned from Watters they traveled variously from Persia, Arabia and India, there likely being more than just three. And yes, they didn’t arrive until Jesus was 2 or 3, taking that long after seeing the “star,” which does have some historical validity, being either a providential and unique cluster of stars or perhaps a super nova which was described by others about that time.

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- JediKnight
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:10pm
  Actually, the reason that most think there was only three is because only three gifts were presented. In those times, you didn’t visit someone (especially someone of significance) without bringing a gift. Hence, three wisemen. And if I’m not mistaken, there were technically four wisemen that set out to see him, but the fourth waited and went later on, hence why we don’t read about him in the Bible.
  
  The wisemen took one route to see Jesus and another route to go home.
  
  I doubt they saw him at age 2 or 3 simply because Mary and Joseph had to leave pretty quickly afterwards since the King wanted to kill all the newborn children, up to age 3, to keep them from taking his throne (a new King was born).
  
  Try not to get your information from O’Reilly. His information is almost always suspect at best.
  
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- universalphilos
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:19pm
  Here is a parable that tells the ancient knowledge of the “three wise men” who tell of the birth of a king or anointed one. Was it from Egypt long ago that the tradition comes? And was this what the Zoroastrian astrologers from Persia knew when they saw in the stars that a king would be born to the Jews? Here is a story told to us by angels who remember long, long ago.
  https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzyT3fgGxb4-V3lfOWJ6Q3M5Slk
  
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:08am
How can there be a war on Christmas? Santa has a big army. That was pretty good.

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qpwillie
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:02am
Actually, the Bible doesn’t specify how many “wise men” there were and the word does seem to translate as “astrologists”. There is no mention of them being kings.

Of course it is pretty certain that Yahshua wasn’t born in December and we are not admonished to celebrate his birth but rather his death, resurrection and the promise of his return.

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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:14am
  That does make it sound like they were maybe ‘star men’ who came to honor the cloned hybrid that was fertilized in vitro. Maybe guided by the mothership above. For those that want to say no to the bible because it doesn’t fit their science, well- there is their answer.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:33am
  Likely there were more than three. Probably a dozen or so at least. Some tradition holds that some were from Persia, some from Arabia, and some from India banding together in the name of science to explore an unexplained celestial event.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:54am
  The magi were a combination of what we today would call – magicians, astrologers, and astronomers. They kept records of the night sky like astronomers do today. They were court functionaries using their observations to predict the future events be they fortuitous or ominous. We get the word magician fm “magi.”
  
  They could have come fm Mesopotamia where astronomy was “born” in the Mideast or as far away as Persia which also practiced similar styles of observation and prediction.
  
  They were not kings. They brought gold – a gift fit for a king. Tradition says 3, even gives them names, because there were 3 gifts: gold (king), frankincense (priest), and myrrh (burial spice). This also give us some of the lyrics for the hymn: “We Three Kings of Orient Are.”
  
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- formidable_foe
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:04pm
  QP Willie,
  
  You are correct about the # of “Wise men” not being in the Bible. It is traditionally thought there were 3 because 3 gifts are mentioned.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:47pm
  Formidable – Tabernacles (Succot) is a fall harvest festival.
  
  It’s still warm enough to pasture the flock in the countryside. Winter in Israel tends toward rainy and cool to cold w/snow in upper elevations. It’s not Siberia or Yukon, but it’s cold enough to be inside where it’s warm and dry.
  
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- willbedone
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:45pm
  For those of you that want to do a little research on the story of the star. Google mazzaroth.
  
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- YouCantExplainThat
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 3:01pm
  Heresy!
  
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Juniemoon
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:59am
Yeshua was born during Passover in the month of Sept., there was no room at the inn because the Jews were commanded to go to Israel for the Passover. The wise men more than likely didn’t come until he was 2 or three years old. He was wrapped in swaddling clothes, swaddling clothes were strips made from the blood stained garments of the Priests who sacrificed the animals. The garments that couldn’t be cleaned of blood stains were shredded to use as candle wicks for the oil lamps. Yeshua was probably born in a cave instead of an animal barn.
True date and story of his birth, celebrate Christmas, but at least know it’s really not a true account of his birth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w3MNZQXlrs

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- Juniemoon
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:10am
  I have to correct myself, he was born during the Feast of Tabernacles, makes sense because he came to tabernacle among us. And he will return during the same time, perhaps even on his birthday to tabernacle among us for an eternity. Feast of Sukkot.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:17am
  Fool. Don’tcha know that the myans says the world will end in about a two weeks. So he can’t come back during that time because the cannibals of central america said so! (I’m joking by the way)
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:51am
  CAVALLO : As a matter of fact the Myans did not say the world will end on Dec. 21st. i’m just saying……..
  
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- formidable_foe
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:11pm
  I have read that many scholars believe that Jesus was actually born around April. One reason is because the shepherds would not have had their sheep grazing in the fields on a night in December. The Bible says an angel appeared to them while they were in the fields. It would have been too cold for them to be out there in December… more than likely, it was a Spring month. Is that when the Feast of Tabernacles is?
  
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- Jason342
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 3:57pm
  The feast of tabernacles is in the usually the end of September or beginning or October. There are about 100 things in the nativity story that don’t add up with what’s in the Bible. I’ve heard theories that Yeshua / Jesus was born in a sukkah, not in a stable – if you know about Sukkot / the feast of tabernacles you know that people build dwellings outside and live in them for a week. It’s possible he may be been born in a sukkah.
  
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sarahliquid
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:54am
The three wise men were astrologers, not kings. Thanks O’Reilly for setting him straight.

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flipper1073
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:52am
Im Only suprised that none of these
people said Jesus was born in Palistine.
or Isreal.

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- Man-On-A-Mission
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:20am
  Well there may have been a Palistine…..there certainly was no Isreal .
  
  Just saying…..and I’m a Christian!!!!!!!
  
  Merry Christmas!!!!
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:42am
  I don’t see a Palestine or Israel on the maps of that time, although there was Judea. Maybe I have the wrong time frame.
  
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- flipper1073
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:47am
  Check a map Palistine was in what is now Jordan.
  I’m Christian Too.
  That Part of the Middle East was Then Part of the Roman Empire
  at the Time of Jesus Birth.
  Mary an Joseph went to Bethlehem to pay their Taxes to Rome.
  Merry Christmas Everyone !
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:48am
  Man — it was Judea then, not Palestine. It does not become Palestine until after the bar Kocha revolt when the Romans demo’d Jerusalem and rebuilt/renamed it after the emperor, Aelia Capitolina in Palestina which was combined w/the Syrian region later to become Syria-Palestina. The name Palestine comes fm the Latinized version of the Jews worst enemy – Philistines.
  
  Israel was the name for the united kingdom under Saul, David, Solomon. The nations-state divided under Reheboam into Judah and Israel. Israel (10 lost tribes) are wiped out by the Assyrians in northern Mesopotamia. Judah hangs on a little longer but is finally defeated by Babylon (southern Mesopotamia). The leadership is taken to Babylon then repatriated by the Persians under Cyrus the Great.
  
  Alexander the Great takes the region, leaving the Jews to their own religious governance. The Seleucid dynasty takes control and deeply offends the observant Jews, resulting in revolt, victory, and Hanukkah. The Hasmoneans rules independently until the Romans show up.
  
  Judea is the Latinized form for Judah.
  
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- Southerner01
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:13pm
  Israel was called Judea in the time of Christ. There was never been a country called Palestine. Palestine was the name given to the area when it was occupied by the Greeks and then the Romans and several other conquerors through history. It was intended to deprive the Judeans of their history.
  
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- ltcwilly
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 2:56pm
  When the promised land became a divided kingdom, it divided into Judah in the south and Israel in the north. Israel had nothing but wicked kings and was destroyed around 722 B.C. In the time of Jesus’ birth, the area was divided into Judea (southern with Jerusalem as ‘capital’), Samaria in the middle and Galilee in the north.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:52am
Seeing more of these kinds of cherry picking segments from the left and right lately. It’s so easy to cherry pick idiots and edit out smart people, in order to convey the message that people are stupid (yes yes, I know they note that some were spot on correct, but still, that wouldn’t be a story would it?). It seems rather dishonest to me, especially if presented as anything other than irrelevant entertainment. Guess I’m just getting fed up, or bored, or just burned out on what passes for pop culture these days.

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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:09am
  Makes two of us. I wonder if anyone will remember Benghazi on Christmas other than those four families. Never thought i would see the day when the US taxpayer paid for a Communist and his Communist family to vacation in Hawaii at a cost of $4 Million.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:43pm
  Dude, it’s meant to be entertainment, not news. Of course it’s cherry picked, for maximum entertainment value.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 1:25pm
  @Simple
  
  I know what it’s meant for. But it’s “entertainment” as in “look at how stupid everybody is”. What I’m saying is that this form of “entertainment” is droll and over used. It’s like hearing Jon Stewart say the word “douche” or Gallagher smash a watermelon with a mallet, it’s just so roll the eyes expected and unoriginal after the 10,000th time. Plus there’s something snarky elitist at looking to make fun at people because they’re perceived as “stupid”.
  
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- YouCantExplainThat
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 3:02pm
  Hear, hear!
  
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kindling
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:52am
Please ask them if He was actually born on December 25th, 0001. No He wasn’t. Do you think He would come into someone’s home and celebrate His birth on December 25th if He were to show up on earth this month? If I ask myself that question and think about the warning given in the Bible of “beware of false traditions” I to do not celebrate it. I have no problem with others doing as they wish. But when something begins as a lie, even if you add some truth to it, it is still a lie. We celebrate His birth around what Christianity calls Easter, and of course we don’t celebrate Easter, the Pagen celebration of sex, either.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:05am
  Actually, Easter is the Anglo-Saxon celebration of *all* fertility, including the crops, trees, animals and fish of the world. It’s named after the A-S goddess Oester (sp?). Even if it celebrates sex, who cares, that’s not a bad thing to celebrate if done in a proper context.
  
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- kindling
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 12:54pm
  That is true for sure…..but not involving our Lord. Just keep them apart I say.
  
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:51am
According to Jamie Foxx Jesus was born in Kenya and now resides in the White House.

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- right-wing-waco
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:06am
  Bravo, & 10 points. (Very funny)
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:20am
  There is but one God and Obama is his prophet.
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:31am
  Thanks RIGHT. I come up with a few once in a while.
  
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- YouCantExplainThat
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 3:04pm
  Oh man, I had no idea! I better change the way I think because I always do whatever Jamie Fox does.
  
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- bastone
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 3:25pm
  your family come from africa if you go back far enough. ……bro
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on December 8, 2012 at 11:58am
  BASTONE : I’m not your “Bro” and no matter how far back I go, none of MY family came from Africa.
  
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huey6367
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:46am
Where was Jesus born? In a hospital, duh.

We have the freedom to be stupid, I guess.

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- BlessedGirls2
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 3:04pm
  just continue to listen to the religious peoples of the world and they will inform you of all of this important stuff…keep your eyes opened and your ears washed out and you will learn
  
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on December 7, 2012 at 10:45am
Jesus was born in Mexico. He cuts grass.

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 7, 2012 at 11:19am
  that’s so stupid. Everyone knows he’s an MMA fighter!
  
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