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Former House Speaker and Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said the current GOP would be “incapable of competing” against Hillary Clinton should she run in 2016.
Gingrich on NBC’s “Meet the Press” called Clinton a “very formidable” person who is married to “the most popular Democrat in the country.”
“If [the Republicans'] competitor in ’16 is going to be Hillary Clinton, supported by Bill Clinton and presumably, a still relatively popular President Barack Obama, trying to win that will be truly the Super Bowl. And the Republican Party today is incapable of competing at that level,” Gingrich said.
Gingrich also said the reason Republicans lost the White House last month was “much more than Mitt Romney.”
“We didn’t blow it because of Mitt Romney, we blew it because of a party which has refused to engage the reality of American life and refused to think through what the average American needs for a better future,” he said.
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PurrrpleMtnMajesty
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:22pmNewt is absolutely right….it’s like going up against the mafia. You’re LUCKY if you live to tell the tale.
We lost this country. It’s GONE.
THe very issues at the heart of each election are proof of that.
Ronald Reagan once said ,
“If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. ”
We not only forgot, we are spitting in the eye of the Lord. He will not be mocked forever and
it seems, my friends, forever may have arrived.
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muffythetuffy
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:53pmTHE GOP REFUSED TO KEEP ANY PROMISE THE MADE TO THEIR WHITE MAJORITY CORE
1. Refused to fight crime and drug use
2. Refused to cut spending and taxes when they had control of all two houses and the Presidency
3. Fought for gay marriage behind our backs
4. Worked with Democrats to raise the debt ceiling.
5. Refused to reform welfare
6. Tried to ram Amnesty down our throats
7. Did nothing to reduce or eliminate abortion
The GOP is finished like the Wig Party. The GOP wasted our lives with their lies and deceit. The GOP started a War it had no interest in winning. They can all go to HELL.
Secession today, secession tomorrow, secession for ever…
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grimmster
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:29pm@purrrr..
Then leave, one thing this country DOESNT need is some whiney coward runnin his mouth.
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banjarmon
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:44pmTEA should run PALIN, WEST and/or RUBIO!!!! To heck with the established GOP!!!
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armyofnibiru
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:14pmhe’s right but not the way he thinks.during the primemarys he and the others,ripped each other apart.but in the election the winner chose to kiss his apponents ****.newt would have done the same.the only one holding enyones **** to the fire was paul.he would have taken on obama about his long(bad) record.with all the counties out there with more votes than there are adults,let alone registerd voters.yet no one wants to look for any fraud what so ever.not romney nor newt .makes me believe their in on it.all of them.the dems are communist progressives and the repubs are the old dems.he ll even pravda knows its by by american pie sold our country to our enemys now it’s time to die.and the good ole boys were singing this way to the trains to die ,this way to the trains to die
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helluvagoodgod
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:15pmDoes anyone trust this lifetime politician. He would have been “Newt”ered by Obama too. In the coming days you will see another coward, *****, cave in too. To hell with elections and voting. Time to bust some heads.
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ApokTheGreat
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:16pmThe GOP is trying to shed the Evangelical voters, even calling them the same names the left does. Don’t they realize that if we go, so does any chance they will ever win another election.
Read how the GOP is trying to eat their own in the comments section of this article:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/09/166753248/add-this-group-to-obamas-winning-coalition-religiously-unaffiliated
It makes me sick. But then again…Screw the GOP. I will vote for the Constitution Party.
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YAHSHUARULES
Dec. 9, 2012 at 7:55pmAnyone who has not seen Agenda: Grinding America Down needs to watch it. It will connect all the dots on has been going on in this country, what is and what will come. Most important movie I have ever seen.
Marx was at WAR with God and Capitalism – Communist Agenda to take a Judeo/Christian culture down from within – using our institutions including the churches to create an America so corrupt it stinks and to drive this culture in a direction designed to destroy it. If you don’t know all this you need to find out! You may know some of this – but not how all the pieces come together to give us Obama
https://vimeo.com/52009124
if that is not working try this: https://vimeo.com/16647512
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SendTheMeteors
Dec. 9, 2012 at 9:37pmAs someone said before, Gingrich is one of those people that dumb people think is smart. Regardless, he’s right on this issue.
The smart Republicans are trying to switch their message now and say they are “all about” the middle class rather than the party of the rich. That’s a tough road though given that the core Republican philosophy is that if you give more money to the richest 1% of Americans, everyone else benefits (no coincidence that the richest 1% also make or break Republican candidates).
Americans aren’t stupid though. They know that the top 1% are making more money than they ever have, and that the rest of the country is suffering. While the divide between the rich is getting larger and larger, their wages are stagnant. They know the wealth of this country is being redistributed to the the richest at the expense of the middle class and the poor. We really are headed to becoming a third world country with a few rich people (like the Waltons who own more than the lower 40% of Americans) and the rest of us increasingly less well off.
Ayn Rand’s ideal was a world with a few hundred, or a maybe just one or two of the “makers” owning America and the pathetic, moocher 99.9999*% living in poverty. But Americans don’t believe in that ideal.
Sorry to be the second one to tell you, but Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States.
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Dec. 10, 2012 at 12:16amThe GOP is done. They are losers and traitors. Time to go third party people. Libertarian… wake the heck up!
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Dec. 10, 2012 at 12:17am@banjarmon – Palin, west and rubio are establishment.
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NOTAMUSHROOM
Dec. 10, 2012 at 7:28amMeteor apparently has very poor reading comprehension. For that matter, I don’t think it can read at all!
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retiredfire
Dec. 10, 2012 at 8:15amMUFFY has a lot of it right but secession ain’t gonna happen.
Ron Paul, and libertarians in general, would have more appeal if they would learn the lessons of WW2. We have to engage our enemies before they get to our shores/ borders.
Our Constitution was, essentially, libertarian but it did invest in the Federal Government the requirement to spend money in support of defending our nation.
It is almost all of the rest of Govt. spending that Libertarians should be attacking.
Ron Paul turned off a huge portion of conservatives with his whining about “all those wars” when Iraq and Afghanistan have, since 2001, cost only about one year of Obama’s deficits. There is a hell of a lot more being spent/wasted than on wars.
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Lifewasgood
Dec. 10, 2012 at 9:31amNewt is part of the problem not the solution
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citizen0000
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:09pmunless they tried an age old political tactic, running against her record. It might just work.
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All Pro
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:12pmThe RNC wont allow that because their pre selected candidates records look just as bad as the progressives they’re running against.
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:13pmshe has a pretty strong record.
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AUsername
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:14pmpaint her as a traitor who is not loyal to Americans and puts her country last.
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:36pmNo need to be concerned about Hillbilly Hillary.
Rumors are now strong that Obama will try to promote Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder to replace him!
Yeah, I know, anybody with any sense hates the pencil neck’d turd; but, liberals probably love the ambulance-chasing bastard!
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All Pro
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:42pm@ Keatonc33
Benghazi, Hillarycare are the first 2 that come to mind and her describing herself as an early 20th century progressive. That means she admits to being a racist, a bigot, a eugenicists and an elitist wannabe dictator.
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:44pmJohn.. as a liberal i feel safe saying liberals will support hillary over holder anyway
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muffythetuffy
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:56pmWhen Newt wrote his Contract for America and won control of Congress for the first time in 40 years, The GOP turned against him and worked to stop everything he wanted to do to stop spending. The GOP is done for and so is the USA. Call it what you want but America is done for.
Secession today, secession tomorrow and secession for ever…
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Wilma
Dec. 9, 2012 at 7:15pmAlto is correct.
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AUsername
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:58pmRand Paul can beat her or someone who actually stands up for the constitution and the free market.
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AUsername
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:18pmthe vice could be someone like Gary Johnson with a good record as governor.
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mellowlady
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:18pmHe’s going to have to hope this gets buried;
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/06/14/ky-sen-rand-paul-made-up-his-own-ophthalmologist-certification/
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:23pmyea if the republicans dont run constittuionalists – they will lose to any democrat
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Concernd4USA
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:38pmwhat have you been smoking, this far right wing crap cost us an election, and it cost house and senate seats. If you want to crawl in a shell and pretend that the good old days were perfect then feel free. But the world has moved on, as has the country. Because the tea party and guys like Grover have the repubs hand cuffed, the liberals don’e have to run on record. They just have to say these guys are crazy, and they are right.
The repubs beat themselves again. Obama is the worst president in any of our lifetimes and the repubs were talking about legitimate rape, and probing women that want an abortion. Thee people look and sound like lunatics.
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AUsername
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:44pmconcerned4usa romney your progessive liberal lost and so did your progressive liberal mccain. our only chance is to try a real conservative.
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resme
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:54pm“Obama is the worst president in any of our lifetimes and the repubs were talking about legitimate rape, and probing women that want an abortion”
Yeh, You go with that, buddy.
Abortion is and will always be “murder”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hxe85iErew
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Keatonc33
Dec. 10, 2012 at 10:38amresme.. dumb comment… good song!
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Small World
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:56pmAlready talk of 2016… I can’t take it ! NO more Bushes, Clintons or Kennedys. Gingrich is a progressive Ryan may have been in on purging Conservatives along with Boener.Who the he!! can you believe or trust ? Maybe Rand Paul. I love Palin but the media will trash her so bad i don’t think she would survive but she is constant.
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muffythetuffy
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:02pmThe smart people were the 2.5 million GOPers who stayed home and refused to vote for John McCain II. The Grand Plan for the GOP IN 2016 is to nominate John McCain III by the name of Jeb Bush. With almost 70 percent of the vote being white, the GOP could not even win with whites. They spit and pissed on white people so they could get the black and Hispanic vote. They have more anger for us whites than they have for our traditional national enemies. The GOP can go to HELL.
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Marine25
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:36pmMuffy, you are not well.
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ApokTheGreat
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:32pmCONSTITUTION PARTY 2016
http://www.constitutionparty.com
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catty
Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:24pmPalin is constantly crazy.
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All Pro
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:46pmWrote Newt Gingrich in the foreword to “Creating a New Civilization”:
This book is a key effort in the direction of empowering citizens … to truly take the leap to invent a (new) civilization.
In 1995, authors Alvin and Heidi Toffler published “Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave.” The Tofflers formulated something they called the “futurist” movement, in which they believed technological advancement would usher in massive civilizational change. One of the implications of their envisioned societal transformation was alluded to on page 91 of their futurist tome:
For this wisdom above all, we thank Mr. Jefferson, who helped create the system that served us so well for so long and that now must, in its turn, die and be replaced.
“The system … Mr. Jefferson … helped create … now must … die and be replaced”?
Hey Newt…..Shove it!
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:37pmNewt has put out some strange stuff over the recent years. Even still, he is closer to the truth than the establishment republicans who run the party
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Kinnison
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:43pmO.K. Newt, name one significant thing that Hillary Rodham Clinton has done as Secretary of State during her tenure. How about specifying a signature piece of legislation she wrote, introduced, sponsored and got passed into law as a senator from New York? She was “First Lady” under—well fine, by most accounts she spent very little time under Bill while they were in the White House, as he apparently had other interests—President Clinton, but “First Lady” is an unelected non-office, and her big push for “Hillarycare” failed. As far as I can see she is a strident, feminist, foul-mouthed, pudgy, left-wing Democratic Liberal Progressive with no track record of accomplishment to indicate she would make a good president, so why is it so hard for the GOP to find someone with a little bit of stature and some principles to oppose her bid for the presidency in 2016? Is it that the Republican Party establishment long ago gave up an pretense to principled stands on issues and is simply interested in grabbing back power in Washington by any means necessary? That’s not my Republican Party; it left me long ago. Unless and until the GOP elites get thrown out and the Party reestablishes itself as the home of the concepts of smaller government, fiscal responsibility and Constitutional rule it can write former Republican like me off their roster. I now self-describe as a Conservative.
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The_Jerk
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:50pm“Newt Gingrich: Republicans Today Would Be ‘Incapable of Competing’ Against Hillary Clinton in 2016″
He’s correct if they keep using candidates like him, McCain, and Romney.
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yeahook
Dec. 9, 2012 at 8:06pmthe point isn’t so much her record as the demographic issues the GOP faces. Hillary might get a smaller portion of the minorities but she’ll get a larger portion of the women which is a bigger group. She is far more qualified then she was and Obama was in 2008
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retiredfire
Dec. 10, 2012 at 8:27amYour comments about Hillary, “she is a strident, feminist, foul-mouthed, pudgy, left-wing Democratic Liberal Progressive with no track record of accomplishment to indicate she would make a good president”,except pudgy, could have been said about Obama in ’08 and he won handily.
Don’t discount the media’s ability to sway the low-information voter and the media love Hillary, just like they so loved Bill that they lied about GHW’s economy and covered for virtually every moral failing he had.
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COFemale
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:43pmYes Republicans would have a hard time against Hillary, however a Conservative would not. We just have to find the right candidate that the RNC doesn’t sabotage. I will never donate to the RNC until they get off their high horse and listen to Conservatives and Tea Party supporters. RNC is too sissified.
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curmudgeon60
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:30pmMarco Rubio and Michelle Malkin!!! They can both spit out commen sense and intelligence at lightening speed. Minority communites,women and youth could be reached!! (And they are much better looking than, oh my, poor Hillary.)
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Deuteronomy22
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:40pmRubio looks like he’s a teenager. Malkin,lol. No matter who the GOP nominates, they will have to swing so far right in the primaries that they will be doomed in November. See 2012. The nation is trending left not right.
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bitterclinger
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:14pmMarco “Dream Act 2.0″ Rubio? No thanks. Malkin’s more into reporting on the miscreants than going up against them. As far as letting the media determine my candidate and trash the best one? Screw ‘em.
Palin 2016!
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OlefromMN
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:55pmMarco Rubio… the Ron Paul supporters will back me on this, he is not eligible to become POTUS.
Why is everybody hung up on recycled names and families? What about Joe/Jane Smith from Nowheresville?
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Wdawg
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:19pmRepublicans are such losers!
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IndyGuy
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:31pmIt’s exactly this kind of B.S. that is causing folks to just give up on America…
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:48pmIndy… Not America.. just the GOP
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:18pmWhy would any christian support newt Gingrich? hes been divorced multiple times which jesus preached against. he has committed the sin of Adultery and he’s rich. (Matthew 19:24) He’s more hell bound then most gay people!
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DadRocked
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:29pmSo am I to believe that your ‘halo’ is untarnished?
“…which jesus preached against”
Yes but which faith are you refering to? Some christian faiths accept it, some accept women as pastors and some don’t.
Catholics don’t but that doesn’t mean that a baptist/lutheran/methodist, etc are wrong.
But again I ask, if your halo is untarnished?
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ScottG-CO
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:38pm“He’s more hell bound then most gay people!”
WHOA- a wee bit of passing judgement there, eh?
Walk the walk if yer gonna talk the talk- otherwise it’s just troll spew……..
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:50pmHA my halo is far from untarnished Dad!
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:52pmScott… being as I am not rich, never been divorced, and never committed Adultery.. does that not count as walking the walk? but I fear I’m losing my point. I just was trying to point out the hypocrisy of some of you who love Newt, a sinner in biblical terms, but hate others who you view have committed sins.
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barber2
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:15pmSCOTT: The radical Lefties love that Alinsky tactic of holding Christians up to their standards which no Christian can actually live up to. The Left has no such standards ! They just LOVE everyone who agrees with them and feels free to hate and smear anyone who doesn’t ! Such an easy life !
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foxdogs
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:20pmI would not support Newt for Pope, Elder, or Deacon, but whether I would support him for political office would depend on who he’s running against.
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:23pmbarber.. you do kind of have a point. my problem though is that christians make others, i.e. gay people, live up to their biblical standards but completely ignore sin when it is from their own party. but as an atheist I simply ask christians to live up to the standards they force onto others.
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AntonW
Dec. 9, 2012 at 7:12pmKeatonc33 you’re guilty of all kinds of sins just like everyone else according to the ancient people who wrote the Bible. That’s why God came to earth as Jesus to be sacrificed. You accept Jesus as your savior and your ticket to heaven is punched. Just like Newt Gingrich did. I’m surprised you don’t understand that concept?
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 7:56pmAntonw… so I can go around murdering and raping children but as long as I accept jesus as my savior i get into heaven… and gandhi doesn’t? Amazing you would worship someone like that!
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Dec. 10, 2012 at 1:26pmThe KEATONC33 is just a child. Don’t feed him and maybe he’ll go play somewhere else.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:17pmI’d be in favor of a Rand Paul (yes I wrote it), Rand Paul / Sarah Palin ticket in 2016.
If Rand Paul comes out denounces the faux Conservative alledged Libertarian Liberty and Freedom La Revolucionaries who have repeatedly given Conservatives, Republicans, the Tea Party including most of YOU a bad name… he’s got my vote. I think he’s smart enough, concerned enough and man enough to realize his father’s mistakes and the dead end views of the old man’s snake-oil ideology.
He showed he could be a big man, a team player and endorse Romney unlike his traitorous and traitor endorsing small old man.
Palin would have a better chance at success than Romney because of her “blue collar” sensibilities and ability to appeal to a voter’s emotions.
Palin can more than keep up with the Dems in appealing to voters’ emotions. Hardly anyone could be more blue collar than Palin. I thinks she’s made the necessary adjustments regarding her naivete on some issues… especially where the media is concerned. I think she’s made her bones these past years for a bigger stage.
Palin would remove a popular Dem talking point from the political conversation regarding the “war on women” despite her stance on gay marriage.
Looks count in politics too eh, and Palin at age 48, has it all over her possible competition, including Billary who will be 69 by election day 2016.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:22pmMean’t to write… Rand Paul / Sarah Palin… or Sarah Palin / Rand Paul.
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:27pmYou’d really want to try Palin for VP again? do you remember 08?
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:34pmYep KEATON… I remember ’08. “One” of the reasons why I held my nose and voted for McCain was because of her. The other was Obama. Yep, I remember ’08 quite nicely thank you KEATON.
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bbyrdhouse
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:54pmI’d vote for Palin/Rand or Rand/Palin in a second and be pumped about it.
But you can bet that THAT will NEVER happen.
Here is what is going to happen … The “GOP Establishment” is going to ram yet another moderate down our throats. They will do EVERYTHING in their power to thwart anybody else that that is poised to defeat their moderate of choice in the primary. Then they will try to convince us once again that “their moderate choice is the ONLY chance we have to beat Hillary (or whoever).
We will LOOSE again in 2016.
We will all fuss about it for a few months and say “I will never again vote for a moderate GOP” but come 2016 we will try to tell everyone that we need to be “team” players and vote for the moderate because at least he isn’t as bad as the Dem of choice.
Until the national GOP is willing grow a pair and nominate conservative then we will keep loosing.
We seem to be unable to learn from our mistakes.
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:00pmAs a Liberal, I too am hoping the GOP will run this ticket!
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AUsername
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:24pmpalin was a quitter as governor enough said. how about a governor with a good record.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:39pmBBYRD. I read what you wrote and I get your drift and agree somewhat, but I’m going to hold out hope that the GOP “as a whole” can come to some sense… and quickly. I’m not ready to give up as many are. I’m ready to fight for a ticket like this…
KEATON… YOU a Liberal? Nawww… you’re kidding me. REALLY? Lol.
AUSER. So I guess you’re not in eh? I’ll put Palin’s record in total up against your’s… how’s that??
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:39pmTime2
Thats cool if you were to get behind a rand paul ticket. but i hope you reconcile all your previous statements – cuz he believes in 90% of what Ron Paul believes. However, it is possible that all you care about is “team player” so if that is your only criteria – then maybe Rand is OK with you….Whatever floats your boat
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resme
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:41pm“Until the national GOP is willing grow a pair and nominate conservative then we will keep loosing.”
Nah, Freedom never wins.. People hate it, Despise it, With liberty comes responsibility. People want to be “comfortable”,tbh. We are too gone Morally, We’ve lost empathy, and everything that differs us from animals.
I don’t really see a conservative,libertarian, so-con ever winning the white house.
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Mutiny
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:45pmYou are such a fake Time 2. Rand shares 99% of the same policies as his dad. They both are for the Constitution and freedom. The same lame talking points you used against Ron could be said Rand.
The GOP establishment is more dangerous than the progressives and liberals. At least with the liberals and progressives you know they are actively trying to bring in socialism, one world government, and population controls. With the establishment they are either doing it also and saying they are not or are too dumb to know they are doing it and are just useful idiots.
As always Time2, you prove to be a useful idiot.
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:46pmTime 2 end. hahaha!! yep.. believe it or not i am “one of them” i hope we can still be friends ; )
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:56pmSOY. This isn’t the first time I’ve stated that I’d vote for Rand. I also wrote that I would have voted for Ron Paul. I loathe the cowardly man, but I loathe Obama more. Paul wouldn’t have gotten squat accomplished and he didn’t really want to be POTUS anyways. But I would have been a man of my word and voted for Ron Paul anyways.
The thing is SOY… you and many like you have no idea of what teamwork REALLY means. What it implies. I doubt you’ve ever been part of something bigger than yourself you small individual you.
Being part of the Ron Paul Brigade of nutters, or asking your co-workers to vote for Johnson in Paul’s stead I wouldn’t really consider teamwork. So let’s not use that as an example okay SOY?
What have you really done for society or your country SOY??
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:09pmWait, WAIT, WAAAIT there now Daddy Paul acolytes… simmer down.
How many of you would actually vote for Rand anyways? I thought he was DEAD to you all ?? Lmao. At least I’m man enough to look at other options eh and make a grand statement on behalf of unity… teamwork… country.
Some things are bigger than me and you right?? Yeah, sure I believe you believe that… you small minded “individuals.”
What hypocrites.
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resme
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:22pm“How many of you would actually vote for Rand anyways?”
I would. Not going to happen, IMO. Chrissy or Jebbie will be nominated and lose to Clinton “the Quigley”.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:24pmi recognize the fact that there are more than 2 political parties and that more competition would make this country better. So if it is Romney/Obama – i will look elsewhere.
I wouldnt expect you to vote Ron/Rand Paul if they were nominated by republicans. You would be free to see who the facist or prohibition party is running for president
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 5:47pmHow many of you “principled Constitutional posers” signed up for this eh?? I’m willing to bet… many of you did…
“Its time we vote for Obama so we can vote for Rand (and Ron) in 2016
Submitted by XXXX (name removed by me) on Fri, 10/19/2012 – 15:33
in Rand Paul
Missouri
I hate Obama, but I hate Romney even more. In order to ensure that we can have Rand (or Ron) run in 2016 we need to start campaigning to vote for Obama.
I know we all have our little principles and stuff, but if we want to get pragmatic and reach our ultimate goals we must defeat Romney.
It seems that the powers that be want Obama to lose this election, too. We must not allow this. Maybe we are the direct reason why they want Obama to lose so we have to wait eight years instead of four.
Guys, I know about the lesser of two evils argument, but I really think this is a whole other issue. We need to look for 2016.
Ann Romney even said if Mitt loses this election they are done with politics.
Please, guys. Romney is such a dirty rotten sc u m ball. Obama’s policies are terrible, but at least they are genuinely trying but failing.
lets reelect him and then we can make the argument you should have picked someone even more conservative than Romney in 2012 when 2016 cones around.”
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circleDwagons
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:37pmSoy. Good call. Time2 is full of it. He did not even think that Paul should be in the GOP let alone run for President. Why are we talking about 2016? We have a battle before us. Now if Time2 wants to hold republicans’ feet to the fire i’m with him.
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Eastinfection
Dec. 9, 2012 at 6:46pmI reluctantly voted for Romney.
I would vote for Rand Paul in a second.
I would probably vote for Hillary over Palin, though.
Don’t get me wrong. I think Hillary is an awful person. I think Palin is a really nice lady.
I don’t think Palin has a clue what she’s doing, though.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 7:36pmCIRCLED. That is correct. I did not believe Ron Paul should have been in the GOP and I thought he was nowhere near qualified. Guy couldn’t manage a Newsletter to start with. But we’ve been there before eh? But yes, you are correct.
First of all, he was not a Republican (he was the ultimate RINO) he was a Libertarian (Thrifty-Liberal). They have their own Party and past ’88 (when he was their loon)… he knew he couldn’t make it there any longer (for many reasons) and found just the dupes he needed to get elected into Republican office. They just thought he was a nice guy, lol. He proved to be an absentee landlord over the years.
But does that mean I wouldn’t have voted for Paul if “millions upon millions” of my fellow Americans decided he would be better than the guy I wanted for the nomination. Romney ultimately got my vote, Santorum got my $$, and my guy didn’t run at all…
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 9, 2012 at 7:46pmEAST. And that’s why I always say… watch out for the Liberal-tarians… they have no problem “going both ways” …**wink, wink**
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cous1933
Dec. 9, 2012 at 10:12pmHere’s where my hopes for 2016 are….
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/13857-group-plans-to-draft-judge-andrew-napolitano-for-president-in-2016
Of course either combination of a Rand Paul/Andrew Napolitano ticket would be just fine by me. Their decency, integrity, common sense, and intelligence would be unparalleled by any ticket I’ve ever seen.
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savagenatn
Dec. 10, 2012 at 5:51amthe same Rand Paul that now wants to give amnesty to illegal invaders? I don’t think so, he has tarnished his image beyond repair
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retiredfire
Dec. 10, 2012 at 8:41amI see a lot of talk about the GOP establishment pushing moderate candidates and how a more conservative one would prevail. Maybe so, but where is the evidence of that?
Conservatives who stayed home, or voted for an unelectable candidate, after Romney became the choice, gave evidence that the more liberal candidate will win. No one can say that Romney, for all his faults, was more liberal than Obama but Obama won.
If you had swallowed your childish pride and voted for Mitt, you might have been able to influence the GOP to move to the right instead of watching as the party tries to figure out why a marxist got more votes than a solid capitalist.
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Daddy Hawg
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:13pmThe republican party is dead. They refuse to stand up for their values for fear of being called racist or obstructionists. There are two parties, the democrat and democrat light. America will never elect a true conservative anymore, there are too many on the government dole and the dems will never give up the power over the people.
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bbyrdhouse
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:58pm@DADDY HAWG –
I am afraid that you are right … and wrong.
I agree that the GOP will not bother with seriously considering a conservative. However, I am afraid that the GOP isn’t going anywhere. The Dems will see to it that the GOP hangs around. It gives them an enemy to paint as evil. It gives them someone to blame.
The GOP is like the Washington Generals to the Democrats Harlem Globetrotters.
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Small World
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:39pmI have a really weird idea….what if we let the conservative people pick the he!! with the GOP????
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chucksue351
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:13pmi’ll be dead, oh what a relief it is
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:19pmI’m sorry to hear that! I hope the rest of your life is filled with happiness!
Love, Keatonc33
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righthanddrive
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:12pmMr. Gingrich, you really must curb your enthusiasm. I did not hear one credible piece of advice that would have helped the GOP win in November. And now you are undercutting the GOP field for 2016. Please drive off into the sunset and leave us alone.
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Sutter Buttes
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:03pmNewt speaks the truth as he knows it and that is all any man can do. I’d give him a 100% on honesty and 98% on the facts. The problem is that the Republican establishment is just as Progressive as the Democrats’. They don’t want someone who tells the truth.
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Mudd
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:26pmThat’s the bottom line, two sides of the same coin. The republican party offers short term solutions but in the long run we’re screwed.
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DougHuffman
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:01pmYes, interesting choice of tenses, would be versus will be. There will be no competition against Hag Hillary, as we will be so tired, impoverished and disheartened by The Jerk Obama that Pol Pot would be a relief.
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barber2
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:10pmEspecially if Hillary proclaims herself to be a CAPITALIST …
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Pantloadian
Dec. 10, 2012 at 10:56amMANPUFFER . . . adhockery
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BlackCrow
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:00pmIt’s Bush’s fault!
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DirtyHarry7
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:58pmSorry Newt, our memory isn’t that bad. You’re a typical backstabbing politician. We don’t want you in 2016 or any other time.
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barber2
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:08pmDIRTY: Agree. The stupidity of the long, nasty slog of the Republican primary campaign with those too many “debates,” just gave our radical Democrats more time and ammunition. The Republicans need to get much more Machiavellian in their political strategy . Especially since they are now dealing with the radical Far Left crowd who do NOT follow Robert’s Rules of Order or the Golden Rule !
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barber2
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:57pmHalf agree with Gingrich. Think the media influence , the Left has in spades, is a much bigger part of the problem Republicans face in 2016. Just like they did in 2012. The radical Democrats have powerful international ties , money, and propaganda media support at their disposal. Their power lies beyond our borders and has much deeper pockets than the domestically tied, Republican Party. Republicans are not just facing the American Democrat Party, but the International Far Left( Democrat) Parties…plural…
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:55pmHILLARY 2016! Got my vote!
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DirtyHarry7
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:00pmAwesome! Just when I think you couldn’t say anything dumber, you do.
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barber2
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:02pmShe would.
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barber2
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:03pmDIRTY: Can you imagine what poor, young 33′s life will be by 2016 under Obama ?!
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:15pmhehe. prey for me barber!
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charles116
Dec. 9, 2012 at 10:47pmIt’s seems some here STILL actually take Palin seriously as a political force,
and they wonder why the party is in trouble.
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SimpleTruths
Dec. 10, 2012 at 1:50pmHillary works for me, all behind that.
CHARLES116 – Yeah, it’s pretty amazing anyone still thinks (well ever thought) Palin has any credibility as a serious political force. Well just goes to show you…’fool some of the people some of the time’ still is a truism.
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Sutter Buttes
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:54pmNewt was and still is the only major Republican who is an articulate spokesman for conservative ideals. He’s not perfect but he’s head and shoulders above any of the old guard. The sooner we send McCain, Dole, Graham, et al to the old folks home, the better.
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truthnstuff
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:04pmYou are right about that. He is the only one who can articulate a message that the stupid “useful idiots”, anyone who would actually vote for Dem, can understand. The GOP will loose to anyone I am afraid. Stupidity is at an all time high and a message based on decency and responsibility cannot be understood with the typical pandering by the RINOs. Let’s face it, the Dems have the parasite and stupid vote sowed up.
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charles116
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:11pmThe Tea Party let the the ‘Andy Williams’ destroy it,
that’s Bil lMaher’s point.
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bbyrdhouse
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:04pm@TRUTHNSTUFF –
Yeah … all the people in the ‘hood and in the trailer parks across America really began to think about Conservatism when he was talking about colonies on the Moon …
Sigh …
Guys like Newt ARE the problem!
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SamIamTwo
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:52pmOde to a Newt anyone?
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Trail_Jumper
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:50pmThe Republicans of today can’t even compete against big bird. The Clinton political machine? Yeesh. Try getting a real conservative to run for a change. We haven’t seen that happen since the 80′s.
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Mudd
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:49pmRepublicans today would be incapable of competing against Pat Paulson in 2016 – and he’s dead.
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Keatonc33
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:55pmhaha!
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barber2
Dec. 9, 2012 at 3:01pmSort of like a teacher who is teaching a class of ” mentally deficient” students. Or trying to teach ballet to 400# students. Or trying to teach color co-ordination to a class of the blind. Or trying to win an election on economic issues to voters who watch Bill Maher / SNL for their news information…
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smokeysmoke
Dec. 9, 2012 at 2:48pmi did not like newt… but i think newt could have won the election, because he would have told it stright, and attacked obama on his bs… romney thought taking the high road would work in a society of degenerating morals.. ahaha
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 9, 2012 at 4:42pmexactly – i dont understand how Romney/Fox News was able to trick everyone that Romney had the best chances to beat Obama
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