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U.K. Politician Gives Gut-Wrenching Account of Husband’s Final Treatment by NHS: ‘Normalization of Cruelty’

U.K. MP Ann Clwyd Protests Husbands Treatment by NHS Nurses Before Death: Callous Lack of Care

(Photo: AP)

News out of the U.K.’s National Health Service (NHS) is becoming increasingly disturbing, beginning to sound more like communist China than our accented allies across the pond.  The healthcare system that ObamaCare was largely modeled after, report after report indicates that care is now being rationed (whether by design or not), and the weakest among them appear to be receiving the least care.

Following the horrifying admission of an NHS doctor that he’s cut off medicine, food, and water to the elderly and infants with disabilities, putting them on what has become known as “death pathways,” a British politician is speaking out about her husband’s final treatment.

Though he was not starved to death because of his age, MP Ann Clwyd’s husband’s “care” essentially consisted of being left alone in a too-small bed with a too-small oxygen mask blistering his face, Clwyd said.

U.K. MP Ann Clwyd Protests Husbands Treatment by NHS Nurses Before Death: Callous Lack of Care

(Photo: Screen Shot/BBC)

The U.K.’s generally left-leaning Guardian first reported:

Ann Clwyd has said her biggest regret is that she didn’t “stand in the hospital corridor and scream” in protest at the “almost callous lack of care” with which nurses treated her husband as he lay dying in the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff.

Clwyd, the Labour MP for Cynon Valley since 1984 and Tony Blair’s former human rights envoy to Iraq, told the Guardian she fears a “normalisation of cruelty” is now rife among NHS nurses. She said she had chosen to speak out because this had become “commonplace”.

Describing how her 6’2” husband lay crushed “like a battery hen” against the bars of his hospital bed with an oxygen mask so small it cut into his face and pumped cold air into his infected eye, Clwyd said nurses treated the dying man with “coldness, resentment, indifference and even contempt”.

Owen Roberts died on Tuesday, 23rd October from hospital-acquired pneumonia. The former television director and producer had multiple sclerosis for 30 years and had been in a wheelchair for the previous two years. He had been in the flagship hospital for ten days.

“I have had nightmares about what happened,” said Clwyd, speaking to the Guardian after initially making the claims on BBC Radio 4′s World at One.  [Emphasis added]

Here is a BBC report, which includes Clwyd directly addressing Prime Minister David Cameron about the situation during a session of Parliament (skip to about 20 seconds):

Clwyd explained for the BBC that she was ill herself during her husband’s initial days in the hospital, and though she phoned every morning, was not able to be with him.  Clwyd was repeatedly assured by the staff that everything was fine, however, and the nurses even told her they saw no reason why her husband shouldn’t be home shortly.

Needless to say, Clwyd was surprised when the hospital called to inform her that her aging husband had contracted pneumonia in the hospital.  When she arrived, she said his cramped ward was so cold she had to cover her husband with towels since her requests for more blankets were unfulfilled.  Roberts’ bare feet were reportedly hanging off the end of the bed.

The Guardian article continues:

“I can’t believe anybody calling themselves a nurse could fail to give someone who is very ill that kind of attention, but it was completely missing,” Clwyd added. “Nobody should have to die in conditions like I saw my husband die in. I have tried in the past to get Bills through parliament on the welfare of battery hens. My husband died like a battery hen.”

Clwyd, chair of the All Party Parliamentary Human Rights Group, was on the Royal Commission on the NHS and served on the Welsh hospital board. But she said that regardless of her experience and knowledge, she found it impossible to make her voice heard.

“It’s uncomfortable speaking out and I don’t like it but if I couldn’t get anyone to listen to me, how do other people manage it?” she asked. “I want people to know that they can’t leave things to the professionals in the NHS. You have to keep asking questions.”

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“I was in on the day before he died from 2.30pm to 10.30pm, and I saw one, single ward round,” she said. “When I did manage to stop a nurse in the corridor – they were usually too busy to stop – I asked why he wasn’t in intensive care.” She added, a nurse “told me ‘there are lots of people worse than him’ and walked off. A few hours later, I asked another nurse if a doctor had been to see him. She said a doctor had been – but not to see Owen, because they knew what to do.

“From what I saw, that consisted of doing nothing,” she added.  [Emphasis added]

Clwyd also said that while her husband’s ward was cramped and freezing, the ward across the hall was empty.  They reportedly denied her request to move her husband on the day of his death, saying they were saving the area for the next day.

Despite it all, Clwyd appears to remain a supporter of Britain’s “free” healthcare system.  She made sure to emphasize this when addressing her complaint to PM Cameron, perhaps aware of the cult-like obsession for the NHS within the U.K. (they even honored it during the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympics).

The hospital’s executive director of nursing, Ruth Walker, says they take the matter “extremely seriously” and will launch an investigation.

(H/T: Newsbusters)

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Comments (126)

  • Libertyluvnmomma
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:15pm

    You mean they have no home care?
    She looks able bodied enough to have brought him home for meds and oxygen.
    sure there would be @zz wiping but “for better or worse” is the dealio.

    Personal responsibility, folks. Do you have it?

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    • LeadNotFollow
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 12:44am

      She was ill herself during her husband’s initial days in the hospital. She phoned every day, but was not able to be with him. She had an infection and was told by the staff not to come into the hospital.

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    • SpeaknUp
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:12am

      I would agree with you except the part about her husband contracting pneumonia in the hospital. I don’t think the article gave the reason for his initial admittance. Even still, I think I would have brought my husband home to a warm house and a decent bed to take his chances there. I’m no doctor, but I think pneumonia can be treated with antibiotics.

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:57am

      This is what ObastardCare/ WHOLE-LIFE GRAF is all about! Your too-young(up to 4yrs-old) no insurance……Your too-old(54yrs+) just take a pill and go away!! You’re non-productive!!

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    • vaman
      Posted on December 12, 2012 at 9:28am

      And she shouldn’t work I guess? Just stay home? Are you insane?

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:14pm

    Here now it’s called Obamacare.

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    • Maji
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:33pm

      The hospital’s executive director of nursing, Ruth Walker, says they take the matter “extremely seriously!
      I sure they do…”How can they stop being outed again”…is what they mean!!

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    • kenboo1
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 12:10am

      This gets to incentives. What is a nurse’s or doctor’s incentive to provide anything other than basic care in an environment where there is no incentive. The doctor is not obligated to think outside the box due to cost and the nurse is only following specified procedures. So, don’t expect any major scientific advances to come out of the UK or for that matter, USA any more…

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 12:49am

      In order for the Nurses to work in that sort of environment they will have to detach themselves from the very thing that will save them… their souls and love . Fast and pray for them for they are in grave danger.

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    • GeorgieJo
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 1:24am

      SEIU Nurses coming to your hospital——a gift from Andy Stern Dickie Trumpkee and Oblamo

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    • loriann12
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 7:25am

      If the VA is any indication of where this government healthcare is headed, y’all outta beware. My husband spent 6 days in the VA with obese (morbidly, one to the point of needing a wheeled table to assist her) nurses who definitely had attitudes. I bet they couldn’t get a job in a normal hospital. His room was 2 doors down from their station, and they couldn’t check in on him after a major surgery. I’ve never seen him so cowed before when he got home. He actually had flashbacks (PTSD) from the experience. They have secure jobs (government) so they don’t have to be nice. And he still has a numb hip from being man-handled like a piece of meat on the operating table. One male orderly actually told him to turn off Fox and that it should be removed from the choices because it was propaganda.

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    • 000degrees
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 7:42am

      I have friends that voted for o….they are part of America that chooses to remain ignorant. I fear there will come a day when they have that wtf look on their face and it will be too late. This kind of treatment will be here before you know it. Myself, I will continue to prepare for the worst and try to talk sense to some of my friends. I’ll also be putting away food and lead…..

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    • turkey13
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:32am

      If this woman comes to the USA she should be arrested for hate crime speech. Those Dr.s and nurses are only trying to save their NHS money. If you let these weak people go on to long they will bankrupt the system. By listening to the death panels they are providing themselves job security. A new healthy race of British subjects will result as deformed, sickely babies get the needle and all the sicklely elder people are put out of their misery.We can learn from what they have already discovered. The USA can start off saving money by using their book of rules that has taken years to develope.

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    • turkey13
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:42am

      I forgot to mention that as more doctors change professions and they become scarce as Edsel dealers the Health Care system has to evolve. My Dr. retired at age 55 when the new law was passed. He told me had saved enough money to last out his life. He told me with what Medicare & Medicade paid it didn’t cover operating expenses and it would only get worse.It takes 2 months to get in to see my new Dr. here in S. Oklahoma and 4 Hrs at the emergency room. My family have discovered that a private office called Emergency One, the wait is 1/2 Hr. max as they only take insurence or cash – no welfare.

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:44am

      Turkey, I hope that was sarcasm, but if not you are a moron and hope you are one of the first to be needled to death.

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:45am

      This will soon be in America thanks to all the obahitlerstalinmao brain dead voters.

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  • begreen
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:14pm

    Also just wait until the catholic hospitals quit due to the HHS mandate that’s 1/5 of the total and I add these are run more efficient then obumer’ brand of health care!

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:14pm

    Clwyd, the Labour MP for Cynon Valley since 1984 and Tony Blair’s former human rights envoy to Iraq, told the Guardian she fears a “normalisation of cruelty” is now rife among NHS nurses. She said she had chosen to speak out because this had become “commonplace”.

    no, she chose to speak out because surprise surprise she did not receive the special treatment a woman of her position deserved

    may you live forever in the vomit your own ilk has produced

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    • SUPERTODD
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 6:58am

      And really that is the worst part of socialism. The soul sucking compulsion to minimize everything into a case of class warfare. People with compassion read this and are horrified by the callousness of the doctors and nurses under a socialized system, because in our system that is almost never the case. The socialist reads this and is satisfied, because someone in the perceived priveleged class
      “got what they deserved”. It can happen here.

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  • amerbur
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:56pm

    Nursing is now 80 percent regulation and paper work and 20% patient care. I love the patients but I feel the job has become all about charting for billing. There is very little time to fix and investigate problems, listen to the patient. It is all about productivity. Most of the training is how to better fill out the paperwork so the hospital can get paid – hard to have compassion when one feels like a robot.

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    • freedom4ever
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:51pm

      are you really that STUPID? the paperwork is for the GOVERNMENT!

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    • charles116
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 1:51am

      Single-payer would end the paperwork. hell-O

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    • CABERNETQHS
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 6:51am

      Charles HELL-O,
      Single payer will take care of c r a p. There will be more paperwork defending treatment or lack of treatment, justification for this or that. The only thing single payer will bring is substandard care for lack of competition. Medicine should always be left to those who are licensed/trained in the field and qualified to make judgements. This is not a typical government employee and definitely not an IRS agent. Be careful what you wish for and I would advise staying healthy.

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    • Fubared
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 7:50am

      Here is to chuck visiting an OWS camp for an extended time, and trying to seek medical help afterwards.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:31am

      CHARLES116, Single payer will produce mountains of paper work, moron. HELL-O

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    • DebateMe
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 12:24pm

      @charles116 – if you really think your opinion holds any water, try bumping it up against facts you can easily google. If you don’t believe what you read on the net (and you should be skeptical) then go to a local hospital and start asking questions to real people working there.

      Much like Obama scolded Bush for the deficits under his term but then went ahead and actually made the deficits much much bigger in a much much shorter amout of time, the same thing is happening with Obamacare… even more paperwork than before, not less. When it comes to this administration and in general most of our elected officials, you take what they say, and then conclude the opposite. You will be right most of the time.

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  • SweetTexasTea
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:38pm

    Good Lord Troll,you are such a one-trick pony!

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  • bava
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:38pm

    Thank God no one has ever died in an American hospital. We have Jesus on staff. I won’t bother with the link. Let’s cherry pick the worst from another country. Carry on. Morons.

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    • thebiglefthander
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:51pm

      You know, people die every day…….the issue here you idiot is dying with dignity. And, the story here is not that this is the exception to the rule……it is the rule…..again, you idiot.

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    • termyt
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:11pm

      He contracted the illness that killed him in the hospital. No, no, you are right. Nothing to see here.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:15pm

      moron

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    • BigBear2k
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:44pm

      Brotha – this particular kind of idiocy does not occur in our privately run hospitals – I have heard numerous horror stories like this issuing forth from our VA hospitals, however. Our nursing homes that collect the majority of their revenue from Medicare also have quite a bit more nightmare senarios than those that are funded privately. I believe I’ve even seen this particular type of VA neglect immortalized in a film directed by one of our countries biggest libs, Oliver Stone… gold star for the first person to identify this particular “artwork.”

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  • Ragnars Repos
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:35pm

    I don’t know why you Conservatives are acting scared, I mean, you support the “Social Safety Net”, don’t you? Well, socialized medicine is the “logical” extension of a safety net, isn’t it?

    What did you think DMV-style ‘medicine’ would look like?

    How do you think civil servant doctors and nurses are going to treat you and your loved ones?

    You think pols care about you and yours? Are you really that stupid?

    You ignorant dolts! You have no idea what you have allowed to be unleashed.

    Now, you will watch American medicine rot on the vine, and you and yours will suffer because of it. That’s not my wish, that’s how it works in this universe.

    Politicians don’t care about you at all–they want power, your money, and your acquiescence. Beyond that, they simply don’t care. Why should they?

    Eventually, the people YOU voted-in to give you your “Social Safety Net” will fear you, then they will hate you, then we all start dying.

    People suffer under collectivism. This is not rocket science.

    We are moving AWAY from what made this country great, and TOWARD hell on Earth, at break-neck speed.

    THIS is what Progressives have planned for you. THIS is what they are RIGHT NOW putting into place for you. And what YOU ARE ENABLING THEM to do to you.

    I wish it wasn’t so.

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    • termyt
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:15pm

      You realize it’s the conservatives fighting against the Progressives and the Welfare State, right? Progressives and Conservatives are on opposite sides? Conservatives are fighting against government over-runs into private sector industries?

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    • Ragnars Repos
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:38pm

      @TERMYT

      Show me a Conservative and I’ll show you a watered-down socialist in denial.

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    • Lt_Scrounge
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:48pm

      I know what Government run healthcare looks like. I use the VA occasionally (once a year or so) but have friends who have had to rely on it. One has died from the poor care. One has a hand that has become basically unusable from a stroke suffered while undergoing minor surgery that almost killed him, and another was basically sent home to die from prostate cancer before a doctor 1500 miles away looked at his file online and had him fly there for the treatment that the local hospital couldn’t be bothered to provide. It has extended his life, but how much longer he has is unknown as the cancer isn’t in full remission. Had he gotten the treatment earlier his prognosis would be better. I have elevated blood pressure (about 10 -20 points higher than acceptable) and had a severe headache that started on a Friday. I went into the VA doctor on Tuesday and was told to come back in two weeks. No concern that I might have had a stroke or anything. Just “we’ll give you some pain killers and come back in two weeks.”

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  • mapgirl10
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:33pm

    There is nothing alluring about this program in the least. And it is now the law of the land because some stupid politician has an ego the size of the White House.

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    • TurboCat
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 2:57am

      And Chief “Justice” Roberts thought he should uphold a legislation that was forced through along one-party lines because after all, “the people did vote them in, didn’t they?”. “It must have been what the people really wanted if they voted these guys in, right?’ Never mind that the Supreme Court was the next-to-last stand against O-blame-a care. Oh, wait, the sheeple DID vote him in a second time, did they not? Well, they are going to have to learn the HARD WAY now, so THANKS A LOT to the sheeple who have now made him MORE ARROGANT THAN EVER!!!!!

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:32pm

    all these greedy lazy enslaved kids that voted for obama and sentenced their grandparents and parents to this slow death, will have to go thru it themselves….if obama doesn’t have them starved to death or lined up and marched to work camps– or in front of a brickwall…or limed pit… first.

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  • EdgeOfSanity
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:28pm

    How can so many people be so blind to what is coming. Millions more covered and no new doctors or facilities. Last week there was a story about the 130,000 infants a year that are now put on the “Liverpool” system of killing health challenged infants. Even the BMA (British Medical Association) is starting to complain that it is taking an average of 20 days for the babies to die. They thought it would only apply to the elderly. Check the “Daily Mail” out of London for the story.

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  • Dougral Supports Israel
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:27pm

    Nothing will change until the British stop revering the system that is killing them. Instead of a stiff upper lip, I would have shown Cameron the stiff arm.

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  • FaithfulFriend
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:22pm

    Didn’t she see the London Olympics opening ceremony with all the nicey nice dancing UK nurse dancers?

    Guess not.

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  • Wdawg
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:16pm

    Baby Boomers are one of the most selfish generations in our history!

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    • drs1969
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:36pm

      And most stupid.

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    • Dougral Supports Israel
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:39pm

      How so? Most Tea Party people are Boomers, trying to restore fiscal sanity so their children aren’t stuck with insane debts.

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    • SolitudeBliss
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:52pm

      Irony Doug Irony

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    • resme
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:14pm

      “Most Tea Party people are Boomers, trying to restore fiscal sanity so their children aren’t stuck with insane debts.”

      Keep the Gub’ment out of my Medicare!!!

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    • flatlandbroncofan
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 2:34am

      You two morons apparently don’t have a clue about the greatest generation of the history of this country. You should do a little reading about the “boomers” most of them have had the education prior to the indoctrination that you were educated with. The wars they won the building of a nation after the great depression. I could go on but I have a feeling that the effort will be lost on you boneheads.

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    • resme
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 6:25am

      “A baby boomer is a person who was born during the demographic post-World War II baby boom between the years 1946 and 1964.

      WW2 was over with.

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:13pm

    He would have been better treated had he been admitted as a muslim they get the best treatment.
    They tend to be explosive .

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  • eadamico70
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:47pm

    I feel sorry for what this women had to go through but I don’t understand why she continues to support the nationalized health care? This is what you get, if everything has to be equal, you have to make cut-backs somewhere, this includes the dying. Not to mention hospital staff, there aren’t enough nurses or support staff to do the job they’re paid to do. It’s already happening here in Massachusetts, my husband has to wait almost 6mo’s to see a primary care physician, that was unheard of a few years ago.
    It’s only going to get worse.

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  • HOOT_OWL
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:42pm

    Is it still legal to have prayer in Hospitals..? Because we’re sure going to need it.

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  • John.Galt
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:41pm

    The left are indeed cruel, and it has played out over and over again. At least 50 million starved to death in commie russia, at least 80 million executed in china. North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam. Like Margaret Thatcher said from the floor of the house of commons, and I paraphrase, ‘You are OK with the poor being more poor, as long as the rich are less rich.’

    Get ready folks. Might not be this month, might not be next year, but it is coming. A country can only survive so much debt and so much money printing before it tanks.

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    • nomemymine
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:12pm

      Don’t forget “The Khmer Rouge, literally translated as Red Khmers, was the name given to the followers of the Communist Party of Kampuchea in Cambodia.”

      Communists always kill the same types of people: Owners of business, banks, & land. Then, starving the farmers (had to take all of the produce from them), then the educated (media, teachers, administrators, doctors, professors), finally, always they turn on their own Party Members……..

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    • charles116
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 1:50am

      What does the left have to do with any of that?

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  • nomemymine
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:41pm

    It is worse in China. My son, unfortunately, had to visit the Emergency Room in China tending his American teacher friend. He said, “Mom, it looked like some sick people have already died on the floor; there were blood, vomit, .. on the floor.” Meanwhile, doctors and nurses were moving slowly inside, trying their best to avoid seeing any patients.

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  • right-wing-waco
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:40pm

    Welcome to ObamaCare. Now go somewhere and die. When doe the revolution start?

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  • M40-A1
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:37pm

    The poor Bastards are un-aarmed. We’re not, nor will we ever be. Die a slave on your knees to Obama or live free America.

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    • right-wing-waco
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:51pm

      If you think Obama will let you keep your guns, Ha, Ha, Ha. He will probably tax them from you over time.

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  • NOTAMUSHROOM
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:35pm

    Yup! Great fans of a utopian dream of free health care! Yippee! Hello idiots! IT DOES NOT WORK FOR THESE REASONS!

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  • 1TrueOne55
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:34pm

    This is what will be coming to the US HealthCare system in the future. It may take a while but it will come! When there is no money to pay for caring nurses then you get what you pay for. And Free is the worst. Even at Garage Sales or driving down the street those items left with a sing FREE on them don’t look as good as those items you actually pay for since they have are “USED UP” to the original owner.

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  • RightThinking1
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:30pm

    Ah yes. The glorious NHS. The centerpiece of celebration at the Olympics. The model that the Left love.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9591814/Patients-starve-and-die-of-thirst-on-hospital-wards.html

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    • charles116
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:40pm

      This is typical of nursing homes in America.
      What’s your point.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:07pm

      Charles – Any proof to back up your claims, pinko? You Marxists want to make our health care system worse so that freeloaders like you don’t have to pay for your own health care.

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on December 11, 2012 at 7:01am

      Charles 116,

      I work in a nursing facility in the US. You don’t know what you are talking about.

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  • Nerzhul
    Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:29pm

    In a month or so we will cease to be free

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    • TROLLMONGER
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 9:37pm

      You will be free for the next 4 years as long as you dont break the law. SOmehow at your ripe old age I think you can manage that unless you carry a bible in one hand and a rifle in the other while taking commands from your sky god to kill. Typical right winger only thinking the worst. And I suspect very old age has something to do with it. Something most of the Beckbots have in common. I know this bc over 95% of Becks audience are over the age of 65 according to GBTV and The Blaze’s statistics.

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    • barber2
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:33pm

      Monger: May you have ObamaCare in your old age ! Social justice ….

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    • drs1969
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:35pm

      Troll is a fool. People will not work for free. 50% of doctors have said they will quit. The nurses who stay will be the desperate ones who can’t find other work. They will be so grossly overworked they will be dangerous. That’s already the case in some places. Hospitals will shut down when they can’t milk ‘Mediscare’ w/ useless angioplasties and knee or hip surgeries.
      Take your supplements and look toward the Mexican border for non-emergency healthcare. Drive safely, your life will depend on it more than ever.

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    • Dougral Supports Israel
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 10:36pm

      @TROLLMONGER Well the older people have something to fear from Obamacare since $700 billion was taken from Medicare to fund Obama’s dream. That will be just a down payment since the older retired folk will be regarded as non-productive and unworthy of saving. I am not yet 65 but I expect that Obamacare will kill me, that is if the chaos caused by Obama’s fiscal apocalypse doesn’t get me first.

      I hope to hang on long enough to put doubts in many people’s heads of the ability of government to do any good at all. It won’t be a hard task since the incompetent bureaucrats always show their worst. I am guessing you are young, Troll. If so I wish you many years of living under the governmental wisdom you think is so good.

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    • termyt
      Posted on December 10, 2012 at 11:27pm

      Ha, ha, ha. Troll thinks that only those in prison aren’t free. Probably thinks Peace is simply achieved by not fighting as well. And that trillion dollar deficits and trillions in debt demonstrate our wealth.

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