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It’s Christmas time, again, which means that American Atheists (AA), an activist non-profit, is back with yet another overtly-offensive holiday billboard. In 2010, the group posted a message in New Jersey calling the Christmas story “a myth” (The Catholic League erected a response). And in 2011, AA followed that up with another campaign, featuring Jesus, Satan and Santa.
Now, there’s yet another billboard alleging that Christ’s story is a fable — and this time, it’s proudly displayed in New York City’s Time Square.
The new message, which reads, “Keep the Merry! Dump the Myth!,” elevates the controversy that AA typically seeks to ignite by providing an image of Santa with a photo of Jesus suffering on the cross. The “merry” corresponds to the traditional Christmas mascot, with “myth” (in caps) is presented beneath the Christian savior’s picture, clearly in reference to Jesus’ death.
Photo Credit: American Atheists
As is typically the case, representatives from AA have come forward to comment about the billboard, while explaining the organization’s motivations for posting it. Teresa MacBain, who serves as AA’s communications director, said that the holiday season is about “family, friends, and love” and that its beauty has “nothing to do with the gods of yesteryear.”
“Indeed, the season is far more enjoyable without the religious baggage of guilt and judgmentalism,” she added. “Dump the myth and have a happy holiday season.”
David Silverman, president of AA, added his own views on the matter, claiming that a large proportion of Christians are non-believers who are “trapped in their family’s religion.”
Photo Credit: American Atheists
“If you know God is a myth, you do not have to lie and call yourself Christian in order to have a festive holiday season,” Silverman said. “You can be merry without the myth, and indeed, you should.”
While AA would argue that the billboard is intended to inspire atheists to “come out,” others will likely see it as offensive. The message will run through Jan. 10.
What do you think? Let us know in the comments section, below.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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Comments (437)
Iron_Wyll
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:20pmThe Atheist Creed: “There is no God, and I hate Him.”
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:34pmMyth? Even the muslims know who Christ is. Atheists are a strange, unemployed breed.
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:48pmYou know who Zeus and Odin were, does that make them any less mythical? Of course the Muslims “know” who Jesus is, Islam wasnt founded until the 7th century so they had heard of Jesus before.
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Tractorboy
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:55pm@Iron,
—–The Atheist Creed: “There is no God, and I hate Him.”—–
It does seem odd the amount of time, effort, now money, to dispel a myth, equal to that of a toothfairy……..silly Atheists, remember you only have so many heartbeats in this finite life you live. Can’t you find a better use of your time than the medaforical burning of the cross?? take up shuffle board or something.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:07pmThe difference is historical perspective and context. There is no doubt how the ancients applied Zeus and Odin in their lives and how they were written about. Christ is described and written from an historical perspective by HISTORIANS. Non CHRISTAN historians to boot. So Check your facts before you get upset.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:11pmIt’s fascinating how something as personal as the belief in a higher power is so controversial. We just had a disgusting substance legalized in 2 states with all the potential impact it’s use will have on no users and no one cares. But put a cross up or say a prayer before combat and somehow some are offended at the thought of having “religion” shoved down their throat. The reality is the atheist view is being shoved down a LOT of people’s throats. Maybe we should flee to England to find freedom to practice whatever form of religion we want without government interference..oh wait someone already did that.
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DYNA
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:13pm@IRON_WYLL
You are right. This is evidence of a spiritual battle that was won by Jesus about 2000 years ago and prophesied for thousands of years BC. The spirit of the anti-Christ, Satan, is trying to stall the inevitable. If indeed, self professed atheists were truly sovereign of the dark side of the unseen spiritual realm, they would not give a rip about something which they overtly claim is fictional.
If the first born from the dead, sitting at the right hand of side of God the Father, having sent the Holy Spirit to convict and convince unbelievers of the same, Jesus is not real, than why be so hostile towards what they think is a non entity when never before has America become so preoccupied with a culture of fiction and stupor.
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:25pm@strawberry
Name me one contemporary historian? You can’t, because there isnt one.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:36pmJosephus……and it is spelled just like i wrote it.
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:59pmMerry Mythmas, Xtians.
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:00pmNo, there is no god and we hate what has been done in the name of religion.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:03pmTake your time. There is some heavy reading involved here…if you are SERIOUS. I am a bit surprised you have never heard of this HISTORIAN of the 1st century….but you can get back to me on that one.
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Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:04pmWe need to make a billboard showing a coffin full of dirt and worms on one side and the golden city on the hill on the other. Below, have the caption “Where would you prefer to spend the afterlife?”
Then the tag line at the bottom, “Atheists think life ends in the box.”
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:10pmWhy even waste time wishing us a happy xmas or whatever. You are putting so much effort into forcing your views down everyone elses throat that it is comical. If you don’t believe in Christ or the holiday then just shut up.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:14pm..in the name of religion? Then where are the other symbols representing islam, buddhism, wicca, hinduism, judaism etc. Why so specific? i take it your belief is that no other religion but Christianity has done evil against other men. Is that it. If you guys were just slightly aware…maybe one could take you seriously. But you’re all just confrontational, bitter and foul. You are just looking for a fight but you come unprepared.
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:37pmstrawberry
I have heard of Josephus, born 4 years after Jesus’ death so not a living contemporary, and am quite familiar with Christians pulling him out of their rears as proof. No reading required. I assume you are referencing the infamous Testimonium Flavianum. The ONE, thats right ONE, paragraph out of everything he ever wrote that he supposedly references Jesus. Fact of the matter is, any serious historian rejects this outright, or at the very least has serious doubts about its authenticity, as a forgery written around the 4th century and planted into Josephus’ works by Christian copyists. Try again.
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DYNA
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:40pm@FoxholeAtheist
You wrote
“No, there is no god and we hate what has been done in the name of religion.”
You do not know the difference between God and religion. God hates religion. He says that the religious traditions of man have made the Word of God of no effect. He also says at this end of the church age they will exhibit a form of godliness but they will deny the power God, so avoid them.
A question, if you hate what people do in the name of religion, why is your logo a crossed out cross?
Why not a crossed out drawing of Mohammad?
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:04amTo The Blaze… who’s toes did I step on?
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:25amOkay… will try to reply this once again. There is an authenticated letter from the Roman Procurator at that time to Tiberius (I hate re-writing replies… always weaker than the original by necessity). Put the Procurator’s name with “to Tiberius” and you will find references to it. Then it’s just click and read. Jesus and His passion was, is, and always will be an historical fact.
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Solexander
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:24amAn interesting variation. An old version (based on the Muslim creed) runs, “There is no God, & Darwin is his prophet.”
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:32am@paxinveritate
Yeah, sorry no such letter exists. It at best maybe derives from a so called banned book of the bible or Apocrypha but is more than likely a complete fabrication from the 16th century, as the earliest known translation is in renaissance Latin.
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Dr Vel
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:09amSo tired of their demanding we respect their non belief while endlessly attacking our belief. They say they do not believe in our God. So why is it they invest every waking moment attacking only one belief system out of the many which exist? Why is it our God demands their sole attention and focus to the exclusion of all others? Hypocrites all working for only one entity. The devil, the enemy of our God. The exclusion of attacks against all other belief systems save ours proves this beyond all doubt. If God does not exist why spend so much time and money focusing only on Christians? If they are the highly educated free thinkers they try to convey why do they violate logic on first principles. They believe not in satan yet they do his bidding to the exclusion of all similar enemies of the gods of all other belief systems in existence. This beyond all other considerations proves who and what they really are. They refuse to allow us to live in peace believing the way we wish, attacking us with a rabidness of pure hatred unparalleled in human history. I especially despise their rebuke of God with examples such as “how could a good God tell Israel to attack all inhabitants in the towns, of the enemies of Israel in the old testament”. My reply would be “look in a mirror, God knew this is what the children in those towns would grow up to be”.
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Dr Vel
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:15amFoxholeAtheist “No, there is no god and we hate what has been done in the name of religion.”
Then explain why there is never one single time you speak out against the muslim faith, whose members are responsible for more destruction, violence and death than any other belief system in the history of man? Because you are hypocrites, liars, cowards of the first degree and the worst kind. You are less than nothing.
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naughtycal
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:34amIf logic is the atheist goal then why promote Santa(if you rearrange the letters satan) and attack Christ.
I think we see the true goals of atheism for what it is promotion of satanism not by promoting satan but by attack Christ. Atheist seem to work just like the democratic party Obama got elected not by promoting the mess he made but by attacking Romney on a personal level.
I guess they are really demoncrats not democrats.
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U4eeeahhh
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:52am1. Atheist don’t hate your mythical deity, but you do tend to use the legends and superstitions to effect secular laws and civil rights. You do take public land and public services and use them to perpetuate your exclusionary sects. So we do hate your abuse of rights and theft of tax dollars.
2. Atheists is America speak mostly about Christianity because Christians are the religious influence that effects our culture and laws in this country. The four Abrahamic religions [Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Baha'i] all stem from the same desert tribal stories, the same supernatural beings, same core myths and legends so to say I don’t believe in one covers all 4.
3. The most important line in this story you all are overlooking; ” a large proportion of Christians are non-believers who are “trapped in their family’s religion.” ” These billboards help to bring non-believes out of the closet. Atheists are the most hated group in America and the only way we are going to end the era of Christian dominance in social and cultural issues is to bring into the light how many people really don’t accept the supernatural explanations and the use of superstitious fears to place restrictions on civil rights of non-believers. Gay Rights, Reproductive Rights, Social Justice, Evolutionary Science and now Cannabis have all provided the Freethinkers with opportunities to point out the absurdities of Old Time Religion and your actions bring Atheist converts daily with your hate and
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jcldwl
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:02amWhy do the atheists cast so much hate upon God in whom they do not believe. How can you direct an emotion like that at something you don’t believe exists? Because these atheists are servants of satan. They are lost in the dark and we as Christians must simply pray for them to find the light. That would be the one they call a myth, Jesus, for he is the light of the world. Who is this Silverman who assumes that most Christians are simply stuck in the religion they were brought up in? Why does he even attempt to speak for Christians when he doesn’t believe himself? Dear Lord please shine your light upon these lost and confused people so they may see the truth and turn away from their wicked ways. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.
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naughtycal
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:10amu4
1. Atheist do hate the idea of Christ so throiugh that they do hate Christ.
2. what laws are put in place because of christanity thou shalt not steal,thou shalt not murder ,thou shalt not commit adultry oh yeah they are real harmful to society. Why not attack Islam that religion has caused more laws to be created that attack our personal privacy than anyting else in history including a civil war.
3 No christian is forced to be christ because they parents are christian My family was prespertarian I’m free thinking in that I read Christ words and understand them and feel religious groups place to much on form and not function so I have no sect but I believe and love God I even love the idea of God, My family never turned their back on me never questioned me as my actions speak louder than words. And again why not attack Islamist on this issue see they murder,and rape non-believe in their families .
Basicly you’re full of sh** or a total ignorant mofo..who hasn’t a clue about what he claims to know.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:15am@STRAWBERRY411A
“Myth? Even the muslims know who Christ is. Atheists are a strange, unemployed breed.”
Now you’re applying sanity to Muslims because they ‘know’ Christ? That’s a leap.
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suttonea76
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:56amI always loved this saying in regards to those that choose not to believe:
“If you go through life believing in God and his will and you find he didn’t exist you lost nothing. If you go through life and do not believe in God and his will and you find he DOES exist you lost everything.”
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Cagey1
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 9:20amLove your reply it made me chuckle it is so right on. The beginning of this billboard message says, “If you know God is a myth…..Know is the word word that I am responding to here. How do you know? where is the proof that God is a myth? The word know should be replaced with the word believe. Why must Atheists actively put down others belief? Why are they so insecure? What motivates their anger toward people who believe different then they do? They may say it is because of guilt and judgmental-ism but that is disingenuous, because they are just as judgmental by hurling insults to people who think differently than they do. They are the by far the minority when it comes to their beliefs. One other thing, there is nothing Atheists can do that will dampen Christmas for me, because I know in whom I believe in and that brings me Joy.
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davecorkery
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 9:32amWrong. It’s “There is no god, and why are all these mouth drooling people babbling on about lakes of fire and talking snakes?”
Your welcome.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:54am@NAUGHTYCAL
1. I don’t hate the idea of Christ, or even Christ himself if He existed. His message was powerful, and full of great insight on how we ought to treat our fellow human beings. He did not advocate violence against others who disagreed with him, or even those who tortured and murdered him.
2. As stated by another poster, Christianity is the prime religious influence in the US, but I and most other atheists view Islam with even more contempt than Christianity. When Muslims demand respect for Sharia law and crap like that here in the US, we come out in droves to protest it, it just doesn’t get any press.
3. If a child who grows up in a Christian home chooses to proclaim his or her disbelief, they are often ostracized and cut off from their family unit… even disowned. Now this isn’t every case, but it happens often enough to be quite relevant. Moreover, there is a tremendous impact of psychological pressure in the fear a non-believer feels about being honest with his or her family because they realize or believe they will be ostracized as mentioned. That feels like a trap.
You keep asking why we don’t attack Islam, which I believe you would join us in that effort… and this highlights a strange dichotomy: you’re an atheist, too… about Allah anyway (and probably Zeus, Shiva, Thor, Satan- er, whoops). We just go one Abrahamic mythical deity (or two if you count Satan) further.
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Silvertruth
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:58amThat isn’t the Athiest Creed, it’s a doctrine of the Athiest faith, but not practiced by all Athiests (Penn Jillette for example). People that don’t like their beliefs challenged react badly to opposing points of view. Christians that get ‘offended’ by this are guilty of doing exactly what these Athiests are doing, reactly badly to a different point of view.
True Christians, solid in their faith, should see this and pray for those that are blind to his teachings to come to their truth. They should not be offended by this.
Christ himself dealt with this kind of skeptism regularly, did he get offended and have a fit? Nope. He just set the proper example of how to live.
A pretty good lesson for all of us, no matter what faith or belief’s we have.
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Marine25
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:05amTo all those who claim atheists have some special aversion to christianity and affinity for Islam. I don’t have either. There is no reason, no evidence, no historical event that is cause to believe any gods are credible. Muslims are just as dogmatic as christians who are just as dogmatic as the Egyptians who worshipped ra. They believe something to be true despite a utter lack of evidence that such a thing is true, or even plausible. Worship as you like, but keep your islam and christianity and other mystical hocus-pocus out of public-policy debates.
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Locked
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:25amI never understood the necessity of finding corroborating evidence for the Bible. Frankly, it isn’t there. No one who was around Jesus wrote down their story at the time. The closest accounts you’ll find are decades after His death. But here’s the kicker: it doesn’t matter. You don’t need “fact” to back up “faith.” And even if more “facts” come out, that won’t make people believe if they don’t want to do so.
Honestly, there’s more evidence for Joseph Smith and the beginning of Mormonism than there is for Jesus Christ and His miracles. If we required “witnesses” and “testimony” and “contemporary writings” to believe in something, we’d all be Mormons. As we’re not, and many other Christian denominations denounce Smith and his Book of Mormon, it should be obvious that we don’t require these “facts” and they’re not sufficient to convert anyone.
Believe what you feel in your heart to be true. We’re never going to know the “truth” of the Bible until we’ve left this life. At the very least following Christ has let me live a good life and given me hope for even better things to come once it is over. That’s all the proof I need that being a Christian has been the right decision for me.
Merry Christmas to all!
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naughtycal
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:44amCD,
1.If you truely believe in the inspiration that Christ even if he was only a fable projected then why support an atheist movement to supress it. I would think that myth that inspires the best in man is better than a fact to drives him down to a baser level.
2. The other poster stated his dispisal of the Christanity influence on our rights and laws in America. Neither you or he can should me where Christanity is the bases of any laws short of thou shalt not,rob,rape,steal or murder, and more over the atheist groups remain silent about the actual affects Islam has had on the freedom and God given rights every citizen should have. You can claim that atheist attack islam as well but that claim is like claiming to see bigfoot…akak bogus.
3. And again I didn’t go to my parents church once I decided to opt out of orginized religion. They love me til this day and support me. And sure it’s up people to deal with different views in their individual ways and some parents might turn away but that’s what being an individual is about if to succome to your belief system religious,sexual or political for fear of being not being accepted by your peers then you’re hardly a man or even a person. Just a plastic posable figure. It called conviction for a reason.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:09pm@NAUGHTYCAL
1. My only effort/support comes to keeping promotions of Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Wicca/Paganism etc off of grounds or buildings that I am likewise stolen from to pay for. This article is about paid usage of private advertising space. Even Ghandi noted the virtues extolled by Christ, and likewise remarked about the majority of Christians who profess belief in Him, but do not model His behavior.
2. These laws could just as easily arrive from the basis of my ethics/morality: self-ownership and the personal responsibility that comes with it, respect for property rights and the non-aggression principle. My claims about standing against Islam are not bogus, they just get no press. Must I post every single letter I have ever written to every federal or state representative in the US where allowing Sharia law has been considered by courts? As I admitted, the majority of atheists are also leftists/statists, and socialism is essentially a tenet of the theocratic govenrmental model of Islam. So Islam is likely seen as an ally in their desire to increase state power.
3. You make some harsh assertions about people who from birth are subjected to the family stresses and pressure I mentioned regarding religion. For a child, arguably the most astounding and terrorizing fear is being cut off or out of their family. Where’s your empathy?
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:12pmARGUMENTUMADABSURDUM… as I said before, for whatever reason I couldn’t post the link to the letter, but yes it does exist. It was not part of the Bible, but an actual accounting from Pontius Pilot to Tiberius Caesar. Or do you deny that the Romans were unable to record history outside the Bible. It is found in the Vatican Archives, so I will try to post the translation again.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0810.htm
Furthermore, if you recall a Roman citizen Tertullian, who was a recorder of his time, and considered by all Historians as being highly accurate. Indeed, accurate enough for Historians to site whatever they need in their doctoral thesis. To this end, he gave an accounting of Tiberius bringing the matter to the Senate. Look for the Heading “Chapter 2. How Tiberius was affected when informed by Pilate concerning Christ.” and read.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250102.htm
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DYNA
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:22pm@Marine25
You wrote,
“There is no reason, no evidence, no historical event that is cause to believe any gods are credible.”
It is insane to think that all that can be seen in the physical realm exists and is maintained without superior forethought, work and power. Try changing and maintaining your own limited physical realm without thought, work, and power. This fact leaves all those who disdain and disavow the only One and true God without excuse in this world.
Whether you are a born again, made alive in Jesus the Christ spirit being or not is between you and God. At this point your argument is not with other men but with His Holy Spirit. He bears witness of those who witness Jesus.
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jimbobbeebob
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:24pm@ArgumentumAdAbsurdum: Name one contemporary historian? Seriously? Only one outside the fringe of contemporary scholarship would ask such a uninformed question..here ya go:
“Of course the doubt as to whether Jesus really existed is unfounded and not worth refutation. No sane person can doubt that Jesus strands as the founder behind the historical movement whose first distinct state is represented by the oldest Palestinian community.” Bultmann (1958) 13
“To doubt the historical existence of Jesus at all…was reserved for an unrestrained, tendentious criticism of modern times into which it is not worth while to enter here.” Bornkamm (1960)
I am of the opinion (and it is an opinion shared by every serious historian) that the theory [“The Jesus never lived, that he was purely mythical figure”] is historically untenable.” Marxsen (1970) 119
“To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ-myth theory.” It has ‘again and again been answered and annihilated by first-rank scholars.’ In recent yeas ‘no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non-historicity of Jesus’ – or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in diposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.” Grant (1977) 200
“Wells thesis [the Jesus never existed] is controversial and not widely accepted.” – M. Martin (1991) 67
“The total evidence is so overpowering, so absolute that only the shallowest of intellec
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naughtycal
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:35pmCD
It takes no conviction and thus no intellectual, philosophical, or spiritual growth to take the path most taken. Again it’s called conviction and faith for a reason. Even if your faith is in the disbelief as neither side can disprove the other. An attempt to bring to discourage people from religion for simple matter of wanting them to agree with your faith is a sign of weakness. Just as denying youir belief for the sake of losing friends is weakness. If I had a faith in something that no one else in the world but me did I would stand in defiance of the world rather to be ridiculed then deny it. And why I am simpathetic to those who cave for acceptance it doesn’t me I should attack those who don’t accept as they are just following their beliefs as well.
Either way we both made our positions clear. Have a merry Christmas may the Lord bless and keep you and yours safe over the holiday no matter what you believe.
slater
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Eddy3
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:44pmUmmm…for those of you who try to deny the historicity of Jesus…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:23pm@DYNA
Interesting. By claiming that looking around at the world and not believing this was the creation of some divine, all-knowing deity is ‘insane’, you’ve applied your incomparable knowledge and understanding of psychology/psychiatry (and psychopathy) to intellects such as Neil DeGrasse Tyson (noted astrophysicist), Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Thomas Paine, Sam Harris and plenty of others… all lunatics by your assertion, but who are noted intellectuals who (oddly enough) all disagree with you, and though it might be a stretch, I would wager that their knowledge of the ‘how and why’ things work here at home on earth and in the limitless expanse of the universe is just a little more credible than yours.
Now, if you happen to be a peer-reviewed, published psychiatrist/psychologist, physics master and be endowed with powers of discernment from on high which can be empirically proven, then I stand corrected and shall bow to your superior knowledge. but if you aren’t, then you sound like a raving lunatic who has no respect for science or the amazing intellect and deductive powers exercised by people who are intellectual titans in comparison to any of us.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:26pmEddy3… thank you. Wikipedia, huh… go figure.
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naughtycal
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:43pmdyna,
You’re right it takes a lot of faith to look around the world and come to the conclusion is was all just by chance. More over it takes even more faith to claim evolution bore humans given that we are hardly the old animals on the planet. And then theres the whole quantum leap between humans and our supported evolutionary brethen in thought and self awareness. Faith comes in many forms a Christian scientist proposed the Big Bang theory. Truth is there are no absolutes so wasting you breath or in this case increasing your carbon output to deabte those who have settled on the darwin’s answer is not worth the effort. Enstein once said something that stuck with me for life “only two things are infinite the universe and human ignorance and I’m not sure about the universe.”
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Locked
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:05pm@Pax
“It was not part of the Bible, but an actual accounting from Pontius Pilot to Tiberius Caesar.”
Er, that’s part of the Acts of Pilate, and almost nigh-universally considered a forgery from the 4th century. One of the dead give-aways is that it plagarizes parts of Josphus, whose writings are considered one of the most authentic “proofs” of the historical existence of “Jesus, who was called Christ.” Granted, this is from a book written 90 years after Christ’s death, at which time some of the Gospels were already written.
Just letting you know, putting forth the Acts of Pilate is like claiming the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is canon. They’re about as likely to be real as Jesus Christ: Dragon Tamer.
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desertspeaks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:05pmI have never met an atheist that refused to take his/her christmas holiday or bonus.. rail against nativity scenes, the bible etc etc but they never refuse the benefits!
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:48pmSATAN is working hard these last days of his existence. I have never, ever seen any group try to ridicule another’s Faith like this but Hey! .. They think that all Christians are passive. WRONG. (Think St. Paul). I’m going to write to these clowns and tell them that they are facing eternal HELL. They are the most ungrateful people GOD has ever created…but!!! THEY prove the necessity of having this “world” experience…to separate the Wheat from the Chaft… They don’t just disagree with the existence of our LORD AND SAVIOR but they also think they can insult Him. WRONG.
SILLY ATHEISTS…GOD could swat you like a roach. You walk on an earth speeding through the Universe and don’t fall off. The Sun comes up every morning and the Moon at night and the waters stay off the shore. You exist in a body that only genius could have designed, especially functions like the eye – which have been with us since day one.
SATAN has a dual purpose here: The main one: He want the CHRISTIANS (Thank GOD I am one) to get angry enough to sink to his sewer level; to engage him…dude…we don’t need to engage you, you are toast (literally…many of us will get to watch the JESUS you ridicule, toss you into a pit of FIRE and you’ll be gone, taking with you the evil, the hatred, the sadness, sickness with you. YOU and all those who are dumb enough to be caught in your wicked web. Tah – Tah !!! GOD WINS. JESUS IS LORD!
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U4eeeahhh
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:14pm@NaughtyKal
1. your response to this item was incomprehensible, but Atheist don’t hate a mythical deity, just some of his followers.
2. Secular Laws using religious reasoning that effect the civil rights of others and you can only think of 3? Here are some examples of religious doctrine getting implemented as secular laws. In each example Scriptures were used to support limiting rights and freedom
Anti-Sodomy Laws
Unequal Civil Rights Based On Gender
Unequal Civil Rights Based on Race
Laws Against Interracial Marriage
Support for Slavery
Blue Laws [limits on Sunday Commerce]
Reproductive Choice
Prohibition of Alcohol and Cannabis
Anti-Adultery Laws [which are seldom enforced, the few that remain]
Anti Sex Work laws
so many other morality and vice laws which are none of the state’s business
a few more than just murder and theft, Many examples here of laws that have been overturned or are ignored today but the anti-gay rights, anti-choice and culture warriors are very much theocrats.
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speaktruthinlove
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:21pmNon christian writers who wrote about, wrote against or simply mention christianity
Tacitus Roman 56-117ad
Seutonius 69-122ad
Pliny the younger 61-112ad
Epictetus Greek 55-135ad
Lucian 125-180ad
Aristides 124ad
Aelius Galenus 129ad
Aelius Lampridius – augustus historian
Cassius Dio 150-235 ad
Himerius 315ad
Libanius 315
Ammianus Marcellinus 325ad
Eunapius 347ad
Zosimus 490ad
Celsius 178 ad
Porphyry of Tyre 234-305ad
Numenius of Apamea 2nd century ad
Hierocles 2nd century
Julian the Philosopher 365ad
Philo 1st century jewish historian
Josephus 1st century jewish historian
Quadratus 125 ad
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twinner42
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:27pm@PATTY HENRY
If I was designing a body I wouldn’t have food and air go in the same place. I wouldn’t have made organs that seem to have no purpose except to get infected, burst, and kill people. I wouldn’t make reproduction happen in the same place as waste disposal, making the body more prone to infection. I don’t claim to be a genius, but things like that seem like a no-brainer. If the eye is so perfect, why do other animals see better than we do? Why aren’t all eyes the same? We have a blind spot in our eye because optical nerves are in the way, yet octopus eyes don’t have this flaw. We exhale most of the oxygen we inhale (which is why you can survive breathing in a paper bag), why would he make our lungs so inefficient? Why would he make chimp DNA so similar to our own making people think it’s because of evolution? Doesn’t he want people to believe in him?
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From Virginia
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:30pmAtheists are morons. Christmas is about the BIRTH of Christ – NOT His crucifixtion and death.
So, what are they going to put up for Easter? The bunny and a crib?
Anyway, the only things I see with these offensive displays (and they are getting more rabid every year) is they are stinkin terrified of Christ and their rebellion against God. To which I say, they should really look within and analyse their true motives and that fear.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:39pmLOCKED… I stand corrected. Much to my chagrin by Wikipedia no less. :-S
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jrc99
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 5:33am@IRON
ROFLMAO!!! Awesome play on words! X-D
–Psalms 14:1 and 53:1
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naughtycal
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 7:49amAnti-Sodomy Laws
Unequal Civil Rights Based On Gender
Unequal Civil Rights Based on Race
Laws Against Interracial Marriage
Support for Slavery
Blue Laws [limits on Sunday Commerce]
Reproductive Choice
Prohibition of Alcohol and Cannabis
Anti-Adultery Laws [which are seldom enforced, the few that remain]
Anti Sex Work laws
1-3 straight bullcrap no where does Christianity call for the equality among races or sex that the exact opposite of Chriust teachings
4-it was christians like Samuel adams that saw slavery as evil all pro-slavery laws were put place by voters wanting cheap labor
5 law against interarcial marriage again no where does Christ preach against
Prohibition- christ turned water into wine
Reproductive rights no Christian ever fought against the right to REPRODUCE that was Democrat margret sangers you know the progreessive woman hillary clinton admires so much that wanted to deny reproductive rights to certain parts of the population.
HERE’S ONE FOR YOU TO CHEW ON EVERY SINGLE ONE THOSE WERE PROMOTED AND PASSED BY DEMOCRATS.
Do your homework it’s Christanity that created all that it was Democratic progressive…and Your voting for brand new intrusions on our freedom in your support of Obama…..SO YOU’RE YOUR OWN ENEMY
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backhoe
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:57amI object – the sign violates the law of Church and State. I demand it be taken down. I want to sue,
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Locked
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:45am@Backhoe
Dealing with trolls, 101.
“I object”
Go ahead.
“the sign violates the law of Church and State.”
No it doesn’t. Private property is private property and thus is not part of the state.
“I demand it be taken down.”
That’s nice. By all means, go and complain. Start a boycott. It’s within your rights to do so.
“I want to sue”
It’s your money to waste. Have at it!
-Fin-
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:48pmPax, why are you putting out an obvious forgery in attempt to hold up your myth?
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IzzyKiddnya
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:59amYou have to admit — the whole tale is an “unlikely” story –
Hard to believe without any contemporary evidence…
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wakemanjohn
Posted on January 6, 2013 at 10:28pmShould have said – keep the merry and the presents, dump the peace on earth and good will towards men. Who put this up, the Grinch?
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standupforthegood
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:18pmSo sad that these people are so ignorant wanting to force there viewpoint down our throats but as scriptue says God leaves them in there own ignorance and they face His Judgement whether they believe in Him or not. Also sad that they miss the whole point of His love for us that He sent His Son to show the world His amazing grace. These people are like misbehaving children that need a good scolding.
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TwistedOne
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:01pmAMAZING!!! I think thats how they feel with every republican law shoved down thier throat!!!
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:49amHAHA and you are the same people who get all up in arms when a nativity scene gets canceled. freedom has to go both ways
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naughtycal
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:56amLook around Twist,
The fascist big government party isn’t the what the Republican party is pushing,total control of the individual is the goal of the Democratic party from what you eat,to what drive,to how high or low you set your thermostat, to how you can’t even work without paying a democrat dues,or how you can’t defend yourself and your dumba55 keep electing them pushing us farther from freedom and liberty everyday. Look at theshear amount of uncongressional aproved legislation Obama’s adminstration member are pushing out monthly…..He ‘s created more new regulation(laws) in 4 years than were created in the last 40 years. and he’s created more new fees(taxes) than was created in the last 20years. LOOK IT UP QUIT BEING THE TOOL AND START BEING THE HAND
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aurora53
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:17pmThe atheists are attacking Christianity because they are marxists/communists. To fulfill their plan of a ‘new world order.’ they must rid the earth of religion so the government will be recognized as the idol. So they go out of their way and attack Christianity, spend a fortune on ads and the media because Christianity is a threat to them. What are they going to do about islam?
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SimpleTruths
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:48pmWell the same thing, not believe it’s myths. And you’re wrong, we (atheists) don’t care what you believe, we’re not trying to change what you believe. What we don’t want is for you to use your religious beliefs to create civil laws that we have to live with.
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drs1969
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:51pmYou’re right.
The leaders are Jewish Bolsheviks. There are a few Jewish names on AA’s board. Their first priority is taking down Christianity. All religion would be outlawed under their gov. just as it was in the former USSR.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:21am@AURORA
I admit that the majority of known atheists are leftists/statists. I am not a leftist and am an anti-statist. So a major difference you must consider is this: they want to replace religion of deities and myths with the religion of statism. I don’t wish to replace religion or infringe on anyone’s right to believ in a religion, even if I believe they are all myths used to control people. That’s your choice. I just do not want your belief system to infringe on my liberty, nor do I want your religious sects to get away with using areas I am stolen from to pay for to promote your religious message or beliefs. I would NEVER avocate for an end to religious expression on private property, including out in someone’s yard on my street (not just inside their home where it’s invisible and inaudible), at a church, on any private property where th eowner agreed or sponsored the expression, outreach, caroling, NONE of that. Atheists like me are not enemies of religious freedom, but we are lumped in with the rest.
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naughtycal
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:59pmCD,
Do the taxes paid by you give you more rights to public property than the taxes paid by Christians? Should something like that be up to the people in the community and not based on the oppinion of a couple of citizens. Is a nativity scene as much art as religion. Does the image upset or do you find it somewhat lovely inspite of your non-religious convictions.You state that you don’t want the moneys stolen from you to promote Christanity,what about lining camapaign donators like SOLYNDRA for example. Nativity scence are put in place by private citizens at no cost to tax payers I’ld say your outrage about stolen monies is misdirected to say the least . cronism like solyndra cost US tax payers 10′s of billions a year and your fight is with someone with a religous view occupping and small space in public for a couple weeks…….I would say your excuse doesn’t pass even the slightiest litmus test for the truth.
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checkingbothsides
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:31pmYou know, I see a lot of posts here asking why we Atheists don’t attack Islam. First of all, I think Islam is a mostly despicable religion that hasn’t even undergone the enlightenment that Christianity has. If I could rid the world of it I would. Second though, I don’t attack Islam because I don’t have to deal with Muslims! They make up, what, like 1.5% percent of the population here? Christians on the other hand make up something like 60-80% of the population here, and a lot of the laws are made around their ethics. So it affects me personally.
Finally, I don’t really attack anybody. I just think this world would be a more peaceful loving place if we were all secular humanists and recognized each other as brothers in our too short time in this existence.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:42am@NAUGHTYCAL
Dude, calm down and take some perspective pills: the removal of freedoms has a helluva lot more to do with the new devotion to statism than it does acquiescence to Islam. I believe I stated in another post that the devout statists likely see Islam as an ally, since Socialism is essentially a tenet of the theocratic Islamic governmental structure.
The problem is the STATE. STATISM puts a gun in the hands of groups with an agenda. Those with their hands on the gun love the government for providing it to them to get their way, and victims of those gun wielders cry out against it… but then cheer and praise government when they get to hold the gun and point it at others who disagree with them. STATISM needs to be eradicated. W/O government to appeal to, no person or group would successfully lobby for ‘extra’ rights, or special provisions or protections under the ‘law’. Laws are opinions with guns… words with guns. W/O government, there would be no monopoly on the use of force, or a means by which to legalize criminal and immoral behavior for one group (owned and controlled by special interests) at the cost of others.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 3:10pm@NAUGHTYCAL
I’m sorry. I missed your response to me somehow. >.< You said:
"You state that you don’t want the moneys stolen from you to promote Christanity,what about lining camapaign donators like SOLYNDRA for example. Nativity scence are put in place by private citizens at no cost to tax payers I’ld say your outrage about stolen monies is misdirected to say the least . cronism like solyndra cost US tax payers 10′s of billions a year and your fight is with someone with a religous view occupping and small space in public for a couple weeks…….I would say your excuse doesn’t pass even the slightiest litmus test for the truth."
I have said in other posts that I stand against subsidy (theft and misuse of money stolen from us), against corporatism (like the SOLYNDRA thing we're both justly pissed about), against the military industrial complex profitting from war (seem to stand largely alone here on that one), against the war on drugs (misuse of tax $ stolen from us to imprison people for determining what they do and don't put into their bodies), against corporate and social welfare (intergenerational theft), against the Fed (inflation tax and theft), fractional reserve banking… So I appreciate you justly goading me to expand on my stance about the misuse of money stolen from all of us.
Government is the antithesis of liberty.
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VanGrungy
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:16pmSt. Nicholas is a Christian figure.
Atheists can be pretty ignorant
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seek.the.truth
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:26pmExcellent point!
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JimmyP
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:41pmAND St. Nicholas punched a heretic (Arius of Egypt) in the face at the Council of Nicaea. Arius was a smooth talker, widely admired for his oratory skills and one who had persuaded many, including many Catholic prelates to his position regarding Jesus’ trinitarian divinity. “Jolly” old St Nick did what we need our Catholic leaders to do RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. Let’s put the St Nick smack down on the likes of Nancy P, Jo-Jo Biden and all the cannibal Catholics (formerly cafeteria Catholics) who give great scandal and insult the Word of God with their, shall we say, smooth oratory and severe misunderstanding of 2,000 year old teachings that have NEVER waivered.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:51amSt nicholas didn’t go by the name santa, didn’t Deliver toys to all children, didn’t have a workshop full of elves, didn’t ride on a flying slay driven by reindeer, didn’t wear a jolly red suit. I could be named after stalin.. doesn’t make us the same person.
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LFreeman
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:36amHey Keaton…it’s sleigh.
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Southerner01
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:41amSanta Claus is an amalgam, combining the figure of St. Nicholas, The British “Father Christmas” and the German Pagan belief that Odin, with a long white beard, would fly through the air on an eight legged horse, leaving gifts for children, during the winter holiday of Yule.
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checkingbothsides
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:33pmYes, and Santa Claus, who is on that billboard, is mostly a creation of the Coca Cola corporation. What’s your point?
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ZAP
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:16pmAtheists are going to get what they want.Eternity without God……
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God_Is_Not
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:32pmCorrect. As will every living creature that has ever existed.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:40pmSo certain. Why?
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vaman
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:28amExactly. Religion is just silly and christianity is the biggest joke of them all.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:13pmWithin the past three days several of us have received the same message from different sources: “STAND”, “COURAGE”, “PRAY”. The Scripture references have been the same. It is an amazing thing to be a CHILD OF THE KING at such a time as this.
In the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, I stand. I rebuke you satan and all the atheistic deluded followers of yours. JESUS GOD, MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, we, YOUR children, YOUR chosen adore YOU and worship YOU. We ask, LORD, YOUR forgiveness on the people of darkness and their lies. JESUS, we hedge the believers with our prayers in YOUR NAME. Yes, LORD, we WILL STAND IN THE GAP for the lost whom YOU still seek. May YOUR KINGDOM COME ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.
In YOUR PRECIOUS NAME and for YOUR SAKE we do pray now and forever, amen.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:36pmOh. Got me Canada. Good one.
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seek.the.truth
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:04pmI am offended …..oh, that’s right — it doesn’t matter because I am Christian and white. Its okay to offend me.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:33amThe same way it is ok for you to demonize islam. Being white has nothing to do with this but good attempt at playing the race card.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:55amWhat is your point Canada..I’ve read your posts. You are FIXATED with race…….what is your agenda? This issue isn’t even remotely about race but somehow in typical Canadian fashion you have clouded the issue with your confused diatribe.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:01pmDo you know how to read? If you answered yes read his/her post. I wasnt the one who brought race into this. Another good attempt though. Keep swinging for the fences
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:10pmOh I see..it’s someone elses fault..as usual..How typically…Canadian eh.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:51pmHey dingleberry. You still dont know how to read? The original post brought race into it. Not mine. But if you are too thick to realize that, maybe jesus can show you.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:41pmAw..how logical. The usual atheist attack…over NOTHING. Thats ok Canada my Canada. You have a legit excuse for your actions.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:56pmMan you really are meesed up. Cant even admit that you were wrong. What a shockingly stereotypical conservative response. Its right up there with “allen west lost because of fraud” “romney lost because of obama giving presents” lol
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:40pmoh by the way. Moosehead beer..literally stinks.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:55pmYes and budweiser is a great beer. Lol
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CanadaRocks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:57pmI have come to the conclusion that you are an idiot. Case closed. Enjoy your christmas genius
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Wilsonpd
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:27pmwow Canada you seem like a very nasty person. Why the hate?
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:48pmNaw it’s nothing complicated. Just like you despise whites, American, Christians, capitalism, and the like…I despise Canadians……….eh.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:03pmi think AA is just wasting their money (better for them to buy a billboard than a team of lawyers)
and this billboard is interjecting the real meaning of christmas back into the debate
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 9:53amSOY, Two excellent points. I will definitely have to agree with you on those.
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qpwillie
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:03pmWhat their graphics layout indicates is that they think Santa Claus is real and God is a myth. That should tell you something.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:36pmPretty weak if that’s the only argument you have.
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qpwillie
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:01pm@God_Is_Not
Hey Einstein, I wasn’t trying to present an argument.
It would be useless to try to explain to you what I was doing.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:16pmI’m not surprised that you had no point in your original post.
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CanadaRocks
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:39amOr they are pointing out that they are both a myth. Or that believing in santa is the same as believing in jesus. Or that no one kills or discriminates in the name of santa. Or that this is a holiday void of religion considering jesus was not born at xmas.
Maybe if you saw things from more than a narrowminded position and tried to find the deeper or godden meaning like you do on the bible, you might see more in it. More proof that christians cant think outside the box. Well unless jesus tells them to.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:55pmCanada oh canada…………….”if jesus tells them so”. Is that some sort of putdown or do you apply the same “atheistic” standards to all religions…….by standards I mean just plain old stick in the eye, stir the **** commentary. You provide no insight in to even your own views…..you are just throwing grenades and then running behind your Canadian flag….which is typical for both your fellow Canadians and your forebears in LaFrancais. Translate:cowards.
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IronInfidel
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:00pm@ Strawberry Why are you slagging Canada ? You are a complete douche bag but I know most Americans are not .
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:02pmDo the know-nothings believe that there was ‘merry’ before Saint Nicholas? Who brought the hope fulfilled?
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. Gob Bless Bitter Clingers, damn progressives.
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sablegsd
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:26pmPlease join my online campaign to change progressive to regressive.
Because that’s the truth.
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Southerner01
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:35amThe delivery of gifts during December by a bearded figure was part of a germanic holdiay called Yule, which predates Christianity. ODIN, the bearded figure, would fly through the sky on his eight legged horse, delivering gifts to children. The children would leave treats for his horse in their boots, which is the source of the stocking tradition.
Ever wonder why they still call it a Yule log?
The celebration of Christ’s birth was moved to December to correspond with the Yule Holiday, when the Germans were converted to Christianity. St. Nicholas of Myra replaced Odin as the deliverer of gifts.
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Rosemary Woodhouse
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:02pmSine of the Times. Anyone who has read the book….to the end…..knows it’s unfolding, as written.
2Timothy3
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TwistedOne
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:02pmYou can read? Wow happy to hear that because you can’t spell worth a damn!
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SimpleTruths
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:52pmSine of the times? Is that a reference to trigonometry?
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denkat56
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:01pmYou know that whether you believe in god or not, I know what I believe and you people will never change that. So you have a merry Christmas and a happy new year. You won’t ruin my Christmas. So have a nice day you idiots. And oh by the way god still loves you.
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Advection
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:01pmIf Yeshua is a myth, then universities must expunge all references to Julius Caesar because there are comparatively NO references to that fictional personage. Come to that, they must cleanse most historical figures from history.
Their blind stupidity is astounding.
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rickc34
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:10pmJesus is the reason for the season.
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:32pm@advection
What are you talking about? There are numerous contemporary references to Caesar, from historical records to likenesses of him made during his life. None of those things exist for Jesus.
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Pnis
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:36pmNo, the Earth revolving around the Sun is the reason for the season.
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Locked
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:40amThere are plenty of references to Caesar that do not include references to Christ.
Interestingly, most of those references are accepted because they do not include (or have had removed) the miracles Caesar supposedly performed or the prophecies he fulfilled, such as the sheeted dead rising from their graves upon his death.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:15pm@LOCKED
In all sincerity and out of genuine curiosity, would you mind elaborating on this post regarding Caesar and miracles? Pardon the ignorance, but I’ve never heard or read of them and would like to know more.
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Locked
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:12pm@Chrisdiamond
It looks like my original response was lost somewhere in cyberspace. Alas!
To paraphrase it, I believe it is Virgil’s recount of the death of Caesar where he mentions various portents, including the sheeted dead rising. My point was that such accounts are ignored for two reasons: they are supernatural, and they are not contemporary. However, the life (and death) of Christ does not have ANY accounts are that both natural or contemporary.
I personally don’t have a problem with this; as a Christian, I feel like we call it FAITH for a reason. But I do find it silly that so many of my fellow Christians will insist that there’s overwhelming evidence for the life and death of Christ, while ignoring supernatural events attributed to other great non-religious figures in history, or ignoring other religions’ own stories.
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arod15fisherman
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:35pmI am a trained scientist–BS in Biology and Chemistry, MS in Biology and an MS in Chemistry. And I am a believer in Jesus Christ and not in evolutionary science. It is because of my scientific background that I have been able to build my faith. There are way to many structures and events that occur in life that could never have developed by any means except a Creator. I agree that religion has been a cause of great distress in the world. But “Atheism” is still a faith–look at the definition of the prefix “-ism” . It literally means “faith without a God”. I have a “Faith in God”. Atheism is as much a “faith” as is any religion in the world. Why, then, does you faith super-cede mine in the public arena? The Constitution gives us “the freedom of religion”, not “the freedom from religion”. The Constitution uses a “R” in the word “Religion”. In that time period, the “R” meant that “Religion” meant “one specific and directed religion. The government “shall not establish any Religion”. If you don’t like the visual displays of religion, ignore them. Do you and your family celebrate Christmas? If so, you are being a hypocrite of your atheistic faith!!! Bottom line–the public display to your right to believe that there is no God should not trump my public right to believe in God and Jesus Christ.
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Locked
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:27pm@Arod
“And I am a believer in Jesus Christ and not in evolutionary science.”
Arod, are you a young earth creationist? Or you just do not believe that organisms change at a genetic level over many generations?
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twinner42
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:56pm@AROD
I can’t speak for other atheists, but for me atheism is not about faith. I don’t have faith that there is no god because I don’t know that there is or isn’t a god, I just don’t have justification in believing in him. Just like in courts you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. The court doesn’t have faith that the prosecution is correct, they look to see if the evidence is sufficient. To me the evidence for god just isn’t sufficient. Same with bigfoot, the loch ness monster, spirits, and aliens who supposedly have visited earth.
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blissdesignz
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 6:16am@ARGUMENTUMADABSURDUM Here’s a source you left wing naysayers should be comfortable with. Your favorite publication showing archaeological evidence for Jesus & sites some early historian accts. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-a-evans/archaeological-evidence-for-jesus_b_1370995.html
And here’s some non-Christian sources; http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
However, all the evidence one should need is the perfection of prophecy.This is the BEST evidence the Bible is the legitimate word of God. Things foretold to the EXACT YEAR of fulfillment THOUSANDS of years in advance is God’s stamp of his word! Do some studying if you want truth to see how wrong you are! Sir Isaac Newton knew understanding prophecy took real study & learning a lot about the way the early Jews wrote & communicated. The following site has more on that if you care enough to know the truth under things like BFIDs & CHASMS but again it takes time & actual learning / effort. God gave us all we need to know without doubt but didn’t make it so easy the most selfish, lazy fools could get the prize without a little work! And Christians should ALL be very aware of this stuff & sadly are not thanks to guys like Lindsay.We’d have more believers today if this was used 2 witness.The book of Daniel = UNSEALED!
Quick Overview: http://beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm
Much More: http://beholdthebeast.com/content
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:53am@LOCKED
Thank you. I’ll check that out.
@AROD
Last I checked, “ism” is actually a suffix as opposed to a pre-fix. While your educational pedigree is impressive (I can only imagine how difficult obtaining a MS in Chemistry must have been), perhaps there wasn’t much of a focus on grammar or defining it’s terms. Additionally, I would encourage you, if you have not already, to read some of the writings of Neil DeGrasse Tyson regarding a grand ‘designer of perfection’ because if it’s perfect, it leaves a helluva lot to be desired, or we need to redefine perfect. You may have already read Dawkins on biology, but one has to wonder if you read it with an open mind, or through an ideological lens.
@BLISSDESIGNZ
The historocity of Jesus does nothing to prove divinity or the existence of a supernatural deity. I mean, starngely enough, divinity and godlike qualities were ascribed to Emperors who, quizically enough, fell victim to the same death, disease, sickness etc that we mere mortals suffer from. So… they existed and were written of, but their existence and the writings do not prove the supernatural qualities ascribed to them.
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ccprotect
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:00pmSanta is real??? i am so confused.
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GeorgieJo
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:26pmNO WONDER NOO YAWKERS are sooooooooooo confused.
Explains everything plus they have Cuumo and Schoomer to represent them.
ROFL.
Also Weener.
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Clownzilla
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:00pmI still find it odd that there is an organization that believes to believe nothing. It’s almost like a scam to raise money. If you don’t believe in God then why don’t you just “not believe in God”? I don’t like golf so why don’t I join an organization with the purpose of not liking golf……..it’s the same ridiculous idea.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:10pmyea thats what people do. Just like the people who didnt like ron paul so much that they cheated his state delegates at the RNC convention.
I guess sometimes people dislike the person/theology so much that they decide to take matters into their own hands….Its unnatural – thats for sure
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drs1969
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:58pmIt is a Jewish backed campaign. They have been trying to discredit Jesus for 2000 years. They might not like golf either, but golf does not reflect badly on them.
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momrules
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:58pmYes, this crap from the God haters is offensive to me just as it was meant to be. I am a Christian so offending me and the other millions of Christians is the object of this hate speech.
Loathing, disgust, anger and pure pity is what I feel for the God haters.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:19pmMerry Christmas.
From,
An atheist.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:51am@MOMRULES
Let us break down and examine your post.
“Yes, this crap from the God haters is offensive to me just as it was meant to be.” – And like a liberal/progressive, I would bet you feel that your feeling offended should move the legislature to protect you and almighty God from the viscious attacks of Satanic atheists!! Right??
“I am a Christian so offending me and the other millions of Christians is the object of this hate speech.” – GROUP THINK! Bingo! You have now exercised the primary tool of the left – collectivism and group rights over individual rights. “Hate Speech” is a term coined by the left to try and criminalize free speech. The Israelis have used it for 65 years, labeling anyone who criticized their policies as anti-semites. The muslims use it now to promote their agenda in courts worldwide in non-muslim countries. Since you post here, I would reasonably assume that you claim to be a conservative or Republican, but you have just used a fundamental tactic of the leftists you cry out against in defense of your sacred god. Fundamentally speaking, you are no different than the groups of people you rail against.
Irony and it’s 1st cousin hypocrisy, ladies and gentlemen; brought to you by another Christian Conservative posting on the Blaze.
Loathing, disgust, anger and pure pity is what I feel for the God haters.
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momrules
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:52amChris………I haven’t been back to this story for a while so I missed your reply. Here is my reply to you.
You are a very lost soul. I pray you find God before it is too late. It’s easy to do. Just forget about trying to be an intellectual ( you appear too try to hard at that) and just open your mind and heart to His glory. He loves you and wants you. The alternative is Satan. He hates you but he wants you too and it seems he has you at the moment. Don’t let him have you for eternity.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 2:22pm@MOMRULES
First, and with the utmost sincerity and humility, thank you for your kind wishes. Though I do not believe in your God, your intent and meaning of putting aside your displeasure with my words and our disagreement to offer such a very kind hope for me does not go unappreciated. Thank you, and I sincerely do hope you and yours have a wonderful Christmas.
Second, let’s look at this for the purposes of perhaps (or hopefully) improving communication:
You start with an assertion you cannot quantify. I’m not lost. I know precisely where I am. Then you ask me to quit using the intellectual (cognitive, reasoning and deductive) faculties that, according to your belief system were given to me by Almighty God so that I can find God. Why would God give us these faculties only for them to be a barrier to us finding Him? I have studied the Word in great depth. I prayed. I fasted. I hungered. I praised. I tithed. I made myself subserviant and begged to be whatever He would have me be. Never heard, felt, or saw anything that led me to believe ‘He’ existed. So I’ve tried it your way. Satan is another myth created by religion, so Satan cannot be an alternative. The alternative I chose is a humble pursuit of truth as discovered by presentation of facts backed by empirical evidence, admitting what I do not know, and being willing to admit when I am wrong. For instance, I know that I cannot prove that God does NOT exist and admit it. Will you do the same?
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Clownzilla
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:51pmNobody is “trapped” in their family’s religion. It’s a personal choice and it always has been. Sure, you might have to go to church on Sunday if your a kid but you don’t run your life then anyway and sitting in the pews for an hour isn’t going to kill you. Once your 18 though you have no excuse to be “trapped”.
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ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:55pmWell 18 years of being told you will be tortured forever if you leave might be a deterrent to leaving.
I have yet to understand why Christianity has to use the threat of terror to get people to believe.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:10pm@Science, see Pascal’s Wager http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/
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Pnis
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:33pmHuffman – Is that why you believe? Because it’s a good gambling position? Seems rather shallow to me. If I’m going to believe something based on Pascal’s flimsy reasoning, I may as well go for Islam. At least they get 72 virgins.
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VanGrungy
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:37pm“I have yet to understand why Christianity has to use the threat of terror to get people to believe.”
OH NO!!! DAH AFTA LIFE!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!
Muslims are required to kill apostates in REAL LIFE… Big difference, don’t you think?
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COFemale
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:02amScienceIsNotEvil “threat of terror”? Its a fact, it is no idle threat.
Tell me when you were a kid, did your parents threaten to spank or punish you if you didn’t behave? No difference here. God is considered our Father in heaven, sometimes he has to use tough love for people like you. Not like your namby pamby parents who capitulate if you whine long enough.
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Southerner01
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:01amDoug,
I’m not sure what point you are making, because that link is not exactly supportive of Pascal’s Wager.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:43pm@COFEMALE
And you have empirical proof/evidence of the existence of this eternal torture/hell/lake of fire, right? Of course you don’t, so please do not try and pass off your ‘beliefs’ as facts. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Regarding the threats of parents to their children (to justify your Almighty’s threat of eternal torture), you might do well to research the impact of spanking, coercion and threats on the psychological and emotional development of children.
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checkingbothsides
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:47pm@DOUGHOFFMAN You should also read the critiques of Pascal’s Wager, most famously by Voltaire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager#Criticism
It comes down to two things – one, that personal interest that something is true has no bearing on it being true, and two, that any Supreme Being would be aware that you are believing to cover your bases, and therefore your beliefs are invalidated. How do you MAKE yourself believe something you don’t believe anyway?
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bonesiii
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:51pmAtheists — how do you know it’s a myth? Elephant hurling.
Anyways, it’s been proven not to be. Atheism is propped up by ignorance and illogic. It’s high time -that- myth, of atheism, goes the way of the Greek myths it’s inspired by.
For tons of reasons why I say this, I challenge anyone tempted to disbelieve the Bible to spend a year reading the daily articles on creation.com and answersingenesis.org. :)
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:58pmwhat? how has it been proven? and the greeks had gods.. many gods! atheist however do not. how are they similar?
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Pnis
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:40pmSorry, I’d rather read articles written by real scientists. Answers in Genesis is downright comical to anyone that actually understands science.
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Rayblue
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:17pmThe atheists reliance on science, when that same curriculum forces adherence to laws named God has always seemed a bit of a pretentious standpoint from which to poke at those they consider less educated idiots than themselves.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:41pmThe Bible is the primary reason I’m an atheist. Creation.com and answersingenesis.org helped solidify this position.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:42pmReal scientists huh? You mean the ones that manipulate data to prove global warming? Or the other ones that manipulate data to prove evolution….I get confused with all this pragmatic scientific thought anymore.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:54pmInteresting. The BIBLE has been proven historically correct in every instance where it is possible to verify information. From a historian’s point of view if the small things check out, the big things are easy. If you are as pragmatic and interested in truth as you say you are, I find it hard to believe that you have done any kind of research at all in to this issue. Honestly you just sound like a bitter, angry individual looking for a fight.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:56pmPenis..I find it interesting your choice of name for your posting. Why does it ALWAYS get reduced to sex. ALWAYS. It is difficult to take your rantings seriously when your focus seems to be so……………………..non-scientific and searching. PNIS. Original.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:35amKeaton, atheists actually do have “little g gods” in some versions of it; panspermia, and even others do think aliens could exist, having completely unknown tech and abilities. Anywho, the Greek myths stated that the origin of the universe itself came from chaos, not an infinite, beyond-time God. Essentially they were atheists who believed in aliens, but the aliens had ‘magical’ powers.
As for how it’s proven, well, to begin with I urge you to do your own homework on it. I did this for years and it wasn’t until I knew so much I could never sum it all up in one post that I was fully convinced. But prophecies and Christ’s resurrection are among two of the big and well-known ones you could start with. :)
Rayblue, well said. Science in fact depends on the biblical worldview, as creationists often point out. (That’s why the founders of science were biblical Christians. ^_^) Atheism undercuts the very foundation of science. Now, to be fair, this alone doesn’t rule out theistic evolution and the like (other tests do, as you’ll see, to anyone who takes up my challenge :)).
And to all those doubting my statement, who support atheism, can you please stop just making blanket unsupported claims? Given the lack of evidence in most comments, blogs, books, etc. I’ve seen so far, atheism is purely a blind faith.
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Pnis
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:50amStrawberry- The scientists I’m referring to are pretty much all of them. Other than a few right wing Christians, the overwhelming majority of biologists support evolution and astrophysicists support a universe that is billions of years old. Every journal article and scientific study supports these positions. Do you think there is some giant conspiracy among ALL scientists to suppress the biblical truths you speak of?
Instead of being obsessed with my user name, perhaps you could share how the bible has been proven correct in every instance. I need a good laugh this morning.
And I am not a bitter, nor angry person. I’m sure you criticize things you disagree with all the time. When you disagree with Obama, are you being a bitter angry person? I just call out nonsense when I see it. And bronze age stories of people rising from the dead, coming back to life, performing magic tricks, etc… is just that. It’s silly.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:30amObsessed with YOUR user name? I think that says it all. Thanks for your pragmatic views on……science.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:36amAre you as questioning when it comes to deaths of American’s in Libya with the obvious implications to Obama? No and you know your not. Your “questioning” and interest stems from a hatred for Christians and nothing else. No rational man uses an obscene term to describe themselves unless he is looking for attention. YOU are a bitter person looking for something. Personally I find it offensive that you have such a lack of manners and decorum that you think the term PENIS is just a natural term to be used in a public forum. The mere fact that you …just like your president…choose to blame someone else for YOUR actions says it all. Merry Christmas.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:52pmPnis, that’s the fallacy of appeal to the majority. In Darwin’s time, his views were a minority, so does that prove that at that time they were false? And what about when most scientists claimed the Earth was flat; did that make it true? Etc. That’s a smokescreen argument and you know it. None of those scientists can logically explain why the Earth is millions to billions of years old over the logical reasoning of biblical creationists.
Also, notice you make it about emotion when you say you want a good laugh. Truth be told, I find evolutionist arguments humorous myself, so I get it. :P But truthseeking does require a serious analysis. Laughing something away doesn’t really amount to a logical argument.
And as I said, if you want to know more, check out creation.com etc. :) It’s no secret where to find this information. ^_^
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Pnis
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:17pmBones, the complexity and depth of information in this world makes it a necessity at times to appeal not to majority, but to some authorities. I trust my doctor when I’m sick, my lawyer for legal matters and my accountant for my finances. When the entire astrophysics community; i.e. people who have spent decades studying physics and calculus and the physical phenomena observed in the universe tell me that the universe is 14 billion years old, I trust them as well. I know that they’ve come to this conclusion based on observations and physical evidence. I have good reason to trust them. I have zero reason to trust a 2000 year old book about people living in the belly of a whale for days, rising from the dead, being born of a virgin etc….
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bonesiii
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 1:10amAnd the doctor doesn’t need to appeal to logical fallacies to know why an ailment is caused by what, how to treat it, etc. — that is handled by real science. :) And the problem is the age of the Earth, from its relativistic timeframe, not the age of the “universe” meaning distant stars, because it’s measurable fact (by actual science, not by fallacious reasoning) that time passes at different rates depending on certain factors, especially gravity. Given the shelling formation of the known universe placing us near the center and the measured expansion, time dilation almost certainly has occured.
Anyways, the problem is that those of us who have done our homework on it know that what you said — your blind trust that those who are appealed to in support of that conclusion did so justly — is simply false. I’m not urging you to look into it for nothing — it’s been proven that the current popular paradigm is false. This happens quite a lot in science; anytime the facts finally come in on some issue, if scientists popularly took an anti-biblical “tentative opinion”, no matter how popular it is, they are always forced to revise back towards the Bible. :) Examples abound, especially catastrophism in fossils, plate tectonics, and lack of inter-kind transitional forms (like the very recent debunking of the one remaining popular “clean” claim, whale evolution).
Also, usually those who you’re putting the trust in are in turn putting their trust in “others”. Exampl
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bonesiii
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:38pmCONTINUED (sorry, misjudged character limit): Examples abound of scientists who in their own field say things look young and consistent with the biblical account, but they just assume that in some other field, those specialists have the smoking gun for evolution. Yet the people in those other fields are assuming the first field is the one with the smoking gun. Meanwhile nobody can actually state what the smoking gun is — because it’s just a smokescreen if you’ll pardon a pun. The problem is that virtually none of them study “omniology” or the study of the big questions that reach across all the specialized fields. That’s what I study, looking at the actual arguments from all fields, and I’ve found it’s crystal clear that the Bible is true, and other worldviews, especially evolution and of that especially atheism, are clearly false.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 2:56pm@BONESIII
I find your posts rather intriguing. I do have a question about something you said, though:
“Given the shelling formation of the known universe placing us near the center and the measured expansion, time dilation almost certainly has occured.”
I’m asking for clarification, not as a dispute: are you suggesting that the figure tossed out as the age of the universe (generally 14 billion years old), is wrong due to a time dilation caused by the factors you listed? 14 billion years down to thousands? I apologize if I am oversimplifying this and readily admit my knowledge about this subject matter is extremely limited.
If so, that would represent a miscalculation gross enough to arguably shatter the credibility of mathematics and astrophysics. So, and in humility, I hope you’ll clarify or correct any misundstanding I’ve made plain to you here. Thanks!
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Semper4everSemper
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:48pmMerry Christmas my athiest ‘friends’! Really, it hurts less than traumatic amputation of the cranium which those other guys will be glad to oblige you with – if they can find you after you seek shelter somewhere else (can’t imagine where) once all of Christians are ‘gone’.
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Stelex
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:47pmWhile AA would argue that the billboard is intended to inspire atheists to “come out,” others will likely see it as offensive.
The gays are coming out, the socialists are coming out, the atheists are coming out, the blacks are riled up, the Islamists are feeling good. WTF…..where are the pedophiles, beastialityists, necropheliacs, come on lets all get out there its anything goes under Obama…….
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:00pmso you are comparing black people, gay people, muslims, and atheists to pedophiles and necrophyliacs? wow is that ridiculous!
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:52pmActually there is a connection. And if I were a black man I would be furious that the “gay” civil rights “movement” has been compared to the black civil rights victory. Getting off on anal sex somehow pales when comparing the “civil rights” earned by blacks after 200 years or so of bondage. This is the danger of making everything on the green earth a right. There are degrees of importance and certain issues trump others. Anal sex is on the “bottom ” of the list
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God_Is_Not
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:44pmPeople disagree with you. Get over it.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:58amWell put and so honestly spoken. Thats’s why a group of people who are so upset over disagreeing views that they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to place a poster in Times Square to prove “their” point. The perfect atheistic action…confrontational, in your face hysterics.
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ares338
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:46pmIsn’t it amazing atheists think they have to speak for you. They can kiss my ass! I am not a fan of religion but no atheist. They are the perpetually angriest bunch of **** heads I have ever had the misfortune to know. They are the most lost people I have ever seen. They should get a hobby…..like maybe stamp collecting!
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ProTheist
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:45pmAww… their graphic designer goofed. It should’ve read, “Keep the Merry (Jesus), drop the myth (Santa).” That is an expensive mistake!
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Gregb
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:56pmAMEN!!!
The truth will make you free…
Jesus is fact… the fat man in the red suit is fiction
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barber2
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:12pmGREB: Agree with you both BUT the guy in the red suit was a representative of a man ( later called St. Nicholas who was a kind man ) who left gifts for poor children. Thus, he was a loving person who GAVE . He did not ” re-distribute ” from the tax payers ! Very differnt form the Obama Santa who TAKES from the tax payer AND demonizes the very people whose money he TAKES at the same tame !
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M40-A1
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:45pmAA, there isn’t anyone forcing religion on you, or Christmas for that matter. Why must you ruin it for others? You whine we should be tolerant of you when you display zero tolerance of those who are Christians. I don’t see you going after Islam either you bunch of little cowards. Go to hell.
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ChrisDiamond
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:08pm“Go to hell.”
That’s some Jesus-dripping Christian love right there!
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hatchetjob
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:42pmThe atheists will know better when their lives are over. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. Merry Christmas!
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Tigress1
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 8:42pmI think the atheists who did this are simply mean-spirited. All they want to do is hurt people’s feelings and mock them. Not nice at all.
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barber2
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:31pmThat is the entire purpose of the Chicago radicals: to offend, to Insult and to Fire up. Heck, that is the only way Big Brother can get his ( rational / American ) opponents to respond so that Big Brother can call out his ” fired up ” union thugs to squelch them. History is just repeating itself. Media will, of course, promote the Chicago radical White House agenda.
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barber2
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:06pmAgree. The Lefty radicals are all about insulting and hurting. They are angry, “different,” and all about inciting civil disorder and division. That’s what the Chicago radicals learned from Saul Alinsky who wanted to ” change ” capitalism ….
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Tigress1
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:21pm@Barber2, Heh! So true. Isn’t it funny how they didn’t like CHANGING to a Right to Work state in Michigan today? It’s time THEY changed and came into the 21st century! Unions are obsolete! We all saw their true colors today.
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IronInfidel
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:15pmI agree , I am an atheist who personally really likes christmas .
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