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Noah’s Biblical Flood Actually Happened, Says Famed Archeologist Who Found the Titanic

Dec. 11, 2012 9:30pm Billy Hallowell

Robert Ballard Believes He Has Evidence That Noahs Flood in the Bible Occurred

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The story of Noah’s ark and its associated flood continues to be retold to children and studied by theologians, alike. While some dismiss it as a mere fable, others believe wholeheartedly that the event literally unfolded, with a massive down-pouring of water ravaging the earth at God’s command. Among those who believe that Noah’s flood was a very real historical occurrence is Robert Ballard, one of the world’s most famed archaeologists.

Ballard, known for finding the Titanic, is now searching for evidence of one of history’s most talked-about events. Unlike other investigators who have their minds set on finding the actual ship, Ballard and his team have gone to Turkey to search for clues and evidence that corroborates the notion that a flood wiped away civilization thousands of years ago.

The investigation is taking place in the Black Sea off of the coast of Turkey, as Ballard is searching for the ancient civilization that was permanently covered by water, ABC News reports.

“We went in there to look for the flood,” Ballard explained in an interview with ABC’s Christiane Amanpour. “Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed… The land that went under stayed under.”

Following theories that a flood did, indeed, occur in the Black Sea region, Ballard became determined to investigate. According to ABC, his team found an ancient shoreline 400 feet below the surface, proving to the archeologist that the massive flood unfolded as documented in the Bible. The research team decided to carbon date the shells that were found on that shoreline, estimating a timeframe during which the event unfolded.

According to Ballard, he believes the flood occurred around 5,000 B.C. — a time at which point some experts believe Noah’s flood may have occurred. The story of the flood has purportedly been passed on from generation to generation, inevitably making its way into the Bible. ABC News explains:

Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical, so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular “The Epic of Gilgamesh.” These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.

“It probably was a bad day. At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under,” Ballard explained.

Life-seize replica’s of penguins are seen outside a full scale replica of Noah s Ark which has opened its doors in Doredrecth, Netherlands, Monday Dec. 10, 2012, after receiving permission to host up to 3,000 visitors per day. Stormy weather could do nothing to dampen the good mood of its creator, Dutchman Johan Huibers: in fact, the rain was appropriate. For those who don t know or remember the Biblical story, God ordered Noah to build a boat massive enough to save animals and humanity while God destroyed the rest of the earth in an enormous flood. Credit: AP

Unlike others who believe that Noah’s actual ark will be found, the archeologist thinks otherwise. Regardless of the fact that he doesn’t expect to find an actual vessel, Ballard believes that his research could lead to discoveries about a people whose land was ravaged 7,000 years ago. Next summer, he will return to Turkey to continue his research (read more about this fascinating story here).

“It’s foolish to think you will ever find a ship,” he said of the ark. “But can you find people who were living? Can you find their villages that are underwater now? And the answer is yes.”

The discussion about the ark’s historical merits comes as Johan Huibers has opened a life-size replica of the vessel for public viewing in the Netherlands.

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LeadNotFollow
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:00pm
Noah’s Ark is resting on top of Mount Ararat. Right where Noah parked it.

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- brigott
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:11pm
  Probably not.
  
  It’s more likely that Noah and his family dismantled it and used the timbers to build their homes, for firewood, etc.
  
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- Favored93
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:38pm
  It may still be there … parts maybe but I doubt it. It would have long ago rotted away if Noah did not use the thing for fire wood.
  
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- UnknownUser1
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:15am
  http://www.arkdiscovery.com/
  
  lots of good stuff there. I especially enjoyed the Mt Sinai vid.
  
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- everydaywoman
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:49am
  @Brigott
  
  Agreed. Any tree under water for that long would have been unusable. It’s more logical to assume that until more trees grew they would have dismantled the ark for fire wood and for shelter (as well as using stones for said shelter). If any part of the ark was left untouched, it would be long rotted away by now.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:14am
  There may be remnants of the Ark or a “footprint”, but I think Ballard is spot-on that we will never find it, at least not with current technology. We’d have to go all Star Trek before that.
  
  Anyways, if Ballard finds flooded civilization, most likely he will not be finding the Pre-Deluge culture. That was probably buried way down in the fossil record, maybe about at the level we find dinosaurs, because buildings and the like can’t flee encroaching floodwaters.
  
  And he is incorrect if he is under the impression it was a local Black Sea type flood, as the popular myth runs. The Bible is clear that the Deluge was global (mountains covered, and water seeks a level, although to be fair most of the big mountains formed during the Flood so it didn’t have as high to cover), and it receded. Flooding a small area and staying flooded simply does not fit the account. Also, that myth basically claims that the Bible is not inspired Scripture, but that’s been disproven by a number of means, especially the prophecies.
  
  It’s possible the Black Sea region did flood later, though. There still would have been massive catastrophes, especially in the melting stage of the Ice Age after the Flood, for a while until things settled down. So he might find something from that time.
  
  I expect answersingenesis.org will have more thorough analysis of this from a biblical perspective within a week from now, and maybe creation.com, if anyone’s curious to learn more. :)
  
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- TEXASGRANNY73
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:23am
  There was a long, long time ago,
  A God whose voice the prophets heard,
  He is the God that we should know’
  Who speaks from His inspired word.
  
  There is a God, He is alive,
  In Him we live and we survive.
  From dust our God created man
  He is our God, the great I AM.
  
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- TEXASGRANNY73
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:36am
  @Brigott and Everydaywoman Are you saying the God who framed the world and skies with His great might and a flood could not keep an ark from being hidden? @Favored93 God sent a dove out and about to see if the flood was over and to find land. The dove brought back an olive branch. Where do you think it came from?
  
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- strewth_cobber
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:45am
  Matthew 24:37: But as the days of No-e were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
  
  Interesting that in recent times there are occasional reminders regarding Noah’s Ark, such as Ron Wyatt’s claims of discovery and others, since. Some of these may be true and others are proven false. People here can argue all they want as to it being myth/legend; location; Gilgamesh/Moses accounts; localized or global flooding etc ad nauseum.
  Noah’s ark served not only as a reminder of a prophetic event which would occur in Noah’s time, but the record of the Ark serves as prophetic reminder of things to come.
  Take heed that no man deceive you.
  For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places.
  All these are the beginning of sorrows.
  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
  And then shall many be offended and, shall betray one another, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many…
  
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- Robert Hawk
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:57am
  Our Father would have never left an ark to be discovered atop Mount Ararat. Why? because humans would worship the ark or parts of the ark. We don’t need the ark.
  
  Everything our Father created for human existence is available just has he indicated. Human existence is temporary, allowing each soul time to earn their individual rite of passage into the next earn age (eternity). Every soul will be judged according to their works (Revelation 20). Those works are what earn each individual the rite of passage to the eternity or it earns them a sentence to be completely destroyed in the lake of fire. The choice is yours, what works are written next to your name?
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:50am
  science continues to prove true what is written in the bible.
  
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- CommonSensei
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:51am
  There is lore (Armenian, etc) of Noah’s ark being dismantled and reused.Timber, nails, etc. The Oriental Institute of Chicago even has a few of the nails from Noah’s Ark. Do they know it? Don’t forget, the book of Enoch refers to the Watchers giving people knowledge of metalworking.
  
  International artist, art historian and sleuth archaeologist, researched the existence of Noah when asked by Holocaust survivors to create an exhibition on the lineage of the Jewish people called “The Light o Truth” (Online: http://www.marcrubin.com/or.ivnu )
  
  Rubin wrote a 4 part interactive web essay called “Finding Noah” where he compiled his research into an amazing case for Noah, including the argument that Gobekli Tepe, in Turkey, was Noah (and family’s) house they built after the Flood. AMAZING article. http://www.marcrubin.com/noah-index.ivnu
  
  Marc also discusses his research in an Israel National Radio interview: http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:54am
  @bonesiii
  
  The story in the bible is an ancient myth, that pre-dates the bible. There is no boat, no global rain fall, there are a natural dam in the black sea that gave way and flood a large region. The legends of Gilgamesh pre-date Judaism and are the likely source for many of the myths in the bible. The story of this event was passed down through the generations.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:59am
  mikem1969
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:50am
  science continues to prove true what is written in the bible.
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  Actually, no, science is proving the legends and myths have some basis in fact, but they are not finding the hand of the divine. There is no evidence of Noah, or the rain or the ark. No evidnec eof the Animals being gathered (which would be rather impossible given the number and spread out locations of all of the animals). The mythof noah is a jewish retelling of the a myth found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, nothing more.
  
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- CommonSensei
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:16am
  @Encinom
  It is paramount to understand that Noah and his legacy were so important within Mesopotamian culture that even millenniums after the flood he remained their most important factual ancestor. In approximately 2200 B.C.E., an elected regional Sumerian ruler named Gilgamesh describes a near death experience survived by himself and his family while they are on their cargo river barge when an enormous flash flood occurs as if he relives Noah’s epic. He aptly describes his experience as identical to Noah to substantiate his honesty when his barge is washed down the Euphrates River and out to the Persian Gulf where he loses his prepaid contracted cargo so he may later seek mercy from Mesopotamian laws of commerce. Within the recorded tale are nearly all of the important elements from Noah’s flood epic. He fortifies rather than replaces the importance of Noah and his legacy to humankind. The Gilgamesh epic reads like a great fictional novel incorporating pieces of the lives and accomplishments of several historic Mesopotamians who would have been well known to all Mesopotamians such as the first Nimrod, grandson of Ham who founded Babel (Babylon). The fact that the Gilgamesh epic was safely stored should be seen as testament to the artistic sophistication of Mesopotamian culture. Supporting this conclusion are known pieces of the Mesopotamian cultural identity. The identity symbols of Sumeria are images of musicians with harps, other musical instruments & bearers of scroll
  
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- CommonSensei
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:18am
  @Encinom con’t
  
  The Hebrew Tanakh and later Greek literary works substantiate the telling of stories and epics while accompanied by harp music. Will the American novel “Gone With The Wind” which names actual historic figures within its fictional tale be someday agued to be a factual record of the American Civil War?
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:43am
  @CommonSensei
  
  Your psuedo history doesn’t replace facts (Gilgamesh elected?). The story of Noah is just a retelling of teh Gilamesh Epic. You attemtp to contort history to fit myth only proves the dishonest of religion in such matters. Much like the waste of resources Bringham Young uses to prove the fictional Book of Mormon is truthful.
  
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- CommonSensei
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:11pm
  @Encinom
  You’re trying to rewrite history to disprove Noah. Do your research. The records of Mesopotamia show that kings were elected to seven year terms. http://www.marcrubin.com/mesopotamia.ivnu
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:19pm
  The story of Manu from the Rig Veda and the Sumerian story of Ziusudra are exceptionally similar to the Noah story. Although, the Rig Veda is likely the oldest telling. Global floods occurred several times since the last glacial maximum. A story that a man, or men, built a boat to ride out such floods, or manned an existing boat filled with artifacts, valuables, family and livestock, is not out of the question, nor impossible that it could have occurred more than once.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:06pm
  @CommonSensei
  
  May want to avoid some crack pot theorys and try real history. Noah was nothing more than a retelling of older myths.
  
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- Daniel
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:41pm
  @ LeadNotFollow: Sorry I just have to say this, Noah did not have steering, so actually where God parked it. : ) Sorry!!
  
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- Mulder1
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:03pm
  Yes, the Black Sea did flood thousands of years ago and the Noah story may be based on that event. There were many massive floods in early human history, after the glaciers began to melt. Many ancient cities are buried under the seas and oceans near the coasts.
  
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- memyselfandi
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:30pm
  A great deal of information has been gleaned from the Mt. St. Helens eruption. Massive amounts of debris mats made up of trees, vegetation, etc, would have floated and provided a means for the survival of bacteria, insects, birds, etc. The bible says it rained 40 days and nights but the worst of it most likely was only during the first several days of the event, and the hardest hit area was probably what is now the Atlantic ocean where the underwater fault line can be seen on any map. It is believed that in the past the continents were all connected by land bridges like the Alaskan land bridge but the change in the “land-over-water” pressure caused the collapse of massive portions of land at different points in time including the area of the Black sea which seem to have collapsed very quickly and could have happened later. Land that was over what is now the Pacific ocean likely provided the pressure to cause the fault in the Atlantic to emit such tremendous energy. When the water under the land escaped, it created a void that collapsed and possibly created the Pacific Ocean and if my facts are all straight it is now the deepest place on earth. This theory has been out for many years and the geologist who put this all together has challenged any scientist with a PhD in the world to debate him on the matter and not a single person has come forward to date. The only thing the skeptics can do in the face of all of this overwhelming evidence is call those who believe it names.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 1:11am
  Encinom, the Gilgamesh Ark was a cube, but the real one has been proven to be highly seaworthy. There are a number of other details when compared to other global Flood myths that prove that the biblical one is the real account (as well as being part of the Word of God, after all, which has proven reliable), while the others are word-of-mouth distortions. The Gilgamesh epic is simply one of the closest ones to the biblical one because it is from that same region of the world.
  
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- UNIX_Techie
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 7:36am
  TEXASGRANNY73 – I love that song. It’s one of my favorites. :)
  
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- Luke21
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:03pm
  Not likely to find it there. That mountain is not likely where the Ark came to rest. If you believe the Biblical narrative:
  
  Genesis 8:4 And in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat.
  
  Suggests a range of mountains (given it says mountains – plural). The mountain in Turkey is not in a range. Some suggest Saudi Arabia – good luck getting a permit to look – as a likely site give the geographical description & the migration of Noah & family.
  
  For Christians its an easy answer whether its fact or fiction: Christ confirmed its authenticity. If you don’t believe (in) Jesus Christ, you’ve got much bigger issues than whether or not the Biblical flood actually took place.
  
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- Shurappak
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:16pm
  The biblical history of the flood and where the ark “rested” was on the mountans of Ararat. Ararat is a place like a state or country about 500 miles from where the ark was built. It will be very difficult to find something that is 4 to 5 thousand years old.
  
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- Shurappak
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:18pm
  The ark rested on the mountains of Ararat. Ararat was an area like a state or country.
  
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riddleman
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:58pm
You can’t be wise before you stop underestimating God.

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- grassroot
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:32pm
  Yes, Jesus himself referred to the flood. The problem here is that those who do not believe in him
  this claim, true. will not carry any weight. So either you believe in God and his Son and scripture,
  or you don’t. Quibbling over details in biblical history is beside the point.
  
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Jeanne2010
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:47pm
Mount Ararat, Armenia – No mystery

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- neffy812
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 9:41am
  Actually, the ark was teleported to the planet Xenu along with all the ogres, unicorns, and nephilim. God used the timbers of the ark to make Thor’s hammer and then sent Thor to use the hammer to smash the earth and release the dragons of Hades (a well known city in hollow earth). That’s what created the grand canyon.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:15am
  Neffy, that about sums up the sorts of mental gymnastics evolutionists have to come up with to explain the Grand Canyon and similar geologic features. ;) I urge you do search for information on this on sites like creation.com and answersingenesis.org with an open mind. (Or anyone else reading, as it’s admittedly unlikely Neffy has an open mind, sadly.) Some good points to start with are the multi-layer non-fracturing bending seen at GC that shows that all the layers were wet sediment when they were bent rather than long and gradual bending after they formed rocks, the lack of biological interference in the precise lines between layers (as seen with actual earth layers that are left there for years, showing that instead all the layers were laid down during the Flood), missing layers, sheet erosion, etc.
  
  Evolution has to come up with untestable “patches” or rescuing devices to explain away these evidences against it and many more, which is basically the opposite of the scientific method.
  
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conservativewoman
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:37pm
Thomas doubted as well.

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- limalima
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:22pm
  Actually, I was thinking of Thomas also. And also ( not being as Bibel literate as I should be) this jumped into my brain…”ye of little faith…
  
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:37pm
Sorry, no. This isn’t Noah’s flood, unless he’s talking about the origin of a legend. He’s talking about localized flooding, not a flooding of entire the world and Earth being submerged in water from 40 days of rainfall that killed everything except those people and those 100 million species of birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fungi, plants and so on on the ark. This has nothing to do with the Biblical account. Frankly, I think that if you believe that the Biblical account of Noah and the flood is literally true, you may need to have your head examined.

But here’s my question, or questions. Seriously, did God kill every human being on Earth except Noah and his family? And he killed them with the unimaginably horrific death of drowning them? That’s not the kind of thing that fits with my image of a beneficent God. And he killed all the rabbits and monkeys and giraffes and dogs and cats by drowning them too? Ever imagine their last throes before they suffocated? He killed all the plants too the same way?

Personally that strikes me as the most cruel and horrible thing I can imagine, to kill every living plant and animal on Earth by drowning. But hey! If you believe it and that your idea of God, go for it!

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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:52pm
  I think that the Old Testament was written by the Jews, for the Jews, about the Jews. Their thought about the flood may just mean their lands. Same as with Adam and Eve. Cain left for the cities of men so they were already there, so man was already there. I suspect the earth is, indeed about 6 billion years old but the Jewish world only existed for about 6 thousand years. Yes God created everything but not liking the planets residents he created a people apart which are the Jews.
  
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- AntBrain
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:56pm
  Have you ever read the account of the flood in the Bible?—it explains exactly why God spared only eight people out of the earth. Try reading it sometime.
  
  Noah wouldn’t have taken every species onto the ark; first, he only took land animals that couldn’t survive a flood. (That leaves out most insects, the vast amount of species you’ve included.) Second, he only took kinds—not every species. We’re not talking lions and tigers—but one cat ancestor. He likely only took young specimens as well, so not fully grown adult animals. Most scientists who believe in the flood story don’t think it happened the way you mentioned.
  
  But you want to continue to be a name-calling bigot, well, it doesn’t exactly speak as a positive to your worldview. By the way—don’t you find it strange that you contradict the natural outflow of your ideology? Why should I listen to you again?
  
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- Patrick Henry II
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:03pm
  Asside for my personal differences with your ideas of God, your theological and scientific thoughts of the great deluge are far from representitive of the Biblical perspective or representation thereof.
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:06pm
  You must be highly intelligent and very superior in your thinking, to be able to ridicule your Almighty Creator who keeps you alive.
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:11pm
  I was responding to SendTheMeteors.
  
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- VoteRightDammit
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:12pm
  1. I doubt God is concerned He is not acting how YOU believe He should act. Moreover, seems just a wee bit pompous that you feel qualified to define how God should or should not act.
  
  2. I’m happy you have the definitive word of Noah & the flood, and are more than certain you are right. Curious how you totally lack evidence for your belief, yet seem to feel those who hold a different belief – also without evidence (other than the Bible) are silly. Again – what insecurity are you trying to mask with such arrogance?
  
  3. Finally, but not at all least of all, curious how you seem to have such a firm and fixed conviction about things you have not even bothered to read, let alone understand. Fear, perhaps?
  
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- brigott
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:21pm
  The justice of God demands that man’s sin be judged.
  
  But the mercy of God provides “a way of escape.” God mercifully provided an ark large enough to hold ALL who would enter therein, but only Noah and his family, a total of 8 souls, did. God spared the earth from the Flood for approximately 120 years while Noah built the ark, and during that time he preached God’s love and mercy and warned the others that judgment was coming.
  
  All that they had to do was to believe and to enter the ark when Noah did.
  
  Why, after that much time spent warning them, is it God’s fault that they didn’t believe and get on board?
  
  Don’t blame God for being “evil and horrible” when He provided the means to safety. Blame the stupidity and sinfulness of those who did not respond.
  
  And there is another destruction coming one day, I believe soon, to those who still do not believe. Again, God has provided a way to escape by placing one’s faith and trust in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. All who will may come. And again, it will not be God’s fault when most refuse to believe and trust but face the wrath of God’s judgment on their sin instead.
  
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- Gup20
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:33pm
  If it was a local flood God is a liar because the rainbow represented a promise that God would never destroy the earth with a flood again. If it was local, there would be no localized floods.
  
  If you kill an ant, is it a big deal? How about a mouse? How about a dog? How about a champion racehorse? How about a person? How about the president of a country?
  
  As you can see the seriousness of the crime increases depending upon whom it was perpetrated against. Since God is infinite, an offense against God is infinitely evil. As such, we deserve death as a punishment for sinning against God.
  
  Since all of us have chosen to sin, and since God warned us that the punishment for sin was death when he created us, we can see that all of the death and suffering on earth was OUR choice. That wasn’t God’s original design – Genesis 1 says when God finished creating, everything was “very good.” Now the Bible also calls sin and death an enemy of God, so it stands to reason a very good creation originally did not include either. The good news of the Gospel is that the God of love and grace provided a way – sacrificing his son Jesus to suffer and die in our place. Since Jesus was God, it was an infinite sacrifice to atone for an infinite offense (sin against God).
  
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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:40pm
  World can be described in much narrower terms. As can the manner in which the ark carried 2 of every animal to repopulate the Earth. It could be that God see fit to wipe out the middle East more than once. It’s awful hard to describe and translate historical events when there aren’t even works for most of what’s happening. It’s not inconceivable that an advanced life form knew of an advancing geological or celestial event, found one Good human being he thought worth saving and loaded the ark with DNA samples. WE ourselves could almost do this today, almost identical. The problem of finding one decent Arab would still be a big problem though.
  
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- UnknownUser1
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:22am
  Sendthemediocre – I know you and your kind will try to use every little bit to disprove a belief,(especially dealing with Christianity) but you forget its not a humans place to understand God. Think of it this way… Space is infinite. Explain that to me and you can explain God. I’m glad you actually choose to think about things though But I say don’t accept the first answer your mind gives you. Always look at the three sides of the coin. You can explain dates and times all you want but it is all based on human theory and therefore will always fail. Einstein wasn’t an atheist.
  
  And this website as some interesting things on it
  http://www.arkdiscovery.com/
  
  lots of good stuff there. I especially enjoyed the Mt Sinai vid.
  
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- INTHEBROTHERHOOD
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:27am
  @GOOP say what? your babbling start over
  
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- TEXASGRANNY73
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:09am
  Not my idea of God; that is what the scriptures say. Better drowning than being hung on a tree or in some cases upside down on a tree. (Men did that). The simple fact is and try as we all may to avoid it, we are going to meet death. Ain’t no way around it. Those of us who believe in that imaginary God in the sky have our faith just as Noah had faith and many other people whose stories were written. The Bible is the most exciting book in the world. Has something for everyone. If you like learning, it is a great read.
  
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- chershaw8
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 6:25am
  God is not cruel if He is destroying Evil. Humanity through free choice and willful defiance, had become so evil that they were not recognizable as made in the image of Himself. So along with the creatures that were corrupted by them, God cleaned the earth. And started over for the sake of the few still uncorrupted and obediant.
  
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- Shrugged
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:22am
  Don’t forget , , ,He also killed all the scientists too. You’d think they could have figured their way out of that . . . . global warming forecasting, grant money for research, strong political influence of the day . . . but no . . . they drowned as predicted.
  
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- Todd P
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:42am
  SENDTHEMETEORS apparently believes in the invisible Teddy Bear God.
  
  Even Jesus made it clear that not everyone would enter Heaven. God is loving, but also just and holy. He will not tolerate Man’s sin for long, and “the wages of sin is death” – you get what you earn. But where He closes a door, he also opens a window – a way out.
  
  As for all the cute little animals in the fields – they were created by Him, and so He can do as He pleases with them.
  
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- Dan75th
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:11am
  Incorrect, Exrepublisheep. Genesis 4 states that Cain went out and built a city, not that he went to cities that were already there.
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:32am
  According to Antbrain, “Noah wouldn’t have taken every species onto the ark; first, he only took land animals that couldn’t survive a flood. (That leaves out most insects, the vast amount of species you’ve included.) Second, he only took kinds—not every species. We’re not talking lions and tigers—but one cat ancestor.”
  
  It’s safe to say that virtually no insect on Earth could survive being thrown in the ocean and rained on for 40 days. Neither could plants survive, underwater and without sunlight for 40 days. And how did all those kangaroos get back to Australia? Swim?
  
  With regard to Noah only taking “kinds” of animals, like cats, the you must believe in evolution. Otherwise how did all those “kinds” become new species?
  
  God, had he wanted to get rid of the human race and all the plant and animal life on Earth, could have simply snapped his fingers and make them vanish could he not have? Why submit them to a torturous death?
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:17am
  What a lot of people tend to ignore is the use of metaphor to tell historical events. Floods did occur, and there are multiple myths that tell about the flood(s), from Manu in India and his seven wise men who built a boat and was then deposited in the Himalayas, to the Sumerians who tell of their seven fish men and the boat built by their king to save their civilization. Archeological structures have been located off the coasts of many countries showing that there was indeed a flood or series of floods since the Last Glacial Maximum that destroyed the known world. Some of these structures show quite advanced techniques of construction. The storytellers of Noah and the ark would definitely have seen the destruction of their cities as the destruction of the world, and not necessarily meaning the top of Mount Kilimanjaro was underwater. The Bible makes repeated use metaphor and its stories were handed down orally for generations before being put to papyrus, cloth, or stone. If I said a man was as tall as a mountain to give emotional impression of say Goliath, that doesn’t mean that Goliath was a thousand feet tall, nor does the whole world being drowned in a story mean that literally the rocky mountains were a good coral reef for a number of months or years.
  
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- louise
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:40am
  There is evidence in the earth of a cataclysmic flood event in Noah’s time. Research the flood deposit at UR. Research the archaeologist C. Leonard Wolley’s discovery at the UR mounds. The ancient city of UR is found in present day Iraq.
  What you will discover not only about this particular subject, but all of scripture is that God is true.
  God bless
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:06pm
  Blacktooth
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:06pm
  You must be highly intelligent and very superior in your thinking, to be able to ridicule your Almighty Creator who keeps you alive.
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  She was ridiculing the fools that believe that myths are true, despite science. Please explain how Noah was able to save the Koloas, Polar Bears. Pandas. Bison and Mooses, animals thousnads of miles away at a time when such a voyage would have been measured in years.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:09pm
  Hmmmm that’s curious ENCIDIOT…you referred to SENDTHEMORON as “she”. When you were posting as MONICNE not so long ago you also referred to SENDTHEMORON as “she”. Did your mask just slip again?
  
  A credible archeologist believes he can prove the flood of Noah while you believe it never took place. Who should one place one’s faith in…a credible scholar or a lefty troll who creates multiple screennames for himself in order to decieve others? That is to say..a proven scholar or a proven liar..who would you believe?
  Thanks for playing champ.
  
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- MONICNE
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:50pm
  Actually it is probably better for folks to listen to a foreigner who will not admit his citizenship, who quotes movie and television character scripts like quotes, one that is so paranoid it believes there is only One Person with free thought out here, a person so talented and powerful it commands (what is it now?) ten or a dozen simultaneous identities who just won’t play “futball” with an AussTROLLian hate machine pretending to be the ultimate “Ugly American.”
  
  Lilly long-hair Avengerk/kregnevA, if your aim was to watch us seemingly dumb Yanks “Lose the 2012 Election,” it worked.
  
  Cobber! What is your motivation, then; gainsay me that, bleating cur, Paris-ite FauxMerican.
  
  November Came. All Over You, Yawn!
  
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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:38pm
  @DAN75TH. Thank you for correcting me. I must rearrange some thoughts now, you should post more.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:32pm
  “explain how Noah was able to save the Koloas, Polar Bears. Pandas. Bison and Mooses, animals thousnads of miles away at a time when such a voyage would have been measured in years.”
  You’re confusing their post-Flood homes, after dispersing from the Flood, for their homes before the Flood. We don’t know how close or far they lived prior to that. ;)
  
  And judging from the fossil placements, they lived all over the world at that time.
  
  Also, keep in mind you’re talking about specific variations within kinds that arose later through normal genetics (and some non-fatal mutations). For example, that would be like arguing that Noah would have had to take chihuahuas, great danes, wolves, foxes, pugs, pit bulls, etc. on the Ark. But we know for a fact in most of those cases how they were bred post-Flood, so that is clearly fallacious reasoning. It’s logical to presume that similar processes without human guiding (natural variation and selection) happened everywhere else to other lifeforms post-Flood.
  
  Considering this, recent estimates have put the number of animal kinds needed on the ark in the low hundreds, and considering the average size is a sheep, that leaves plenty of room left over (for humans who could have come on board but didn’t). Also they likely took juveniles that were even smaller so they’d have the maximum reproductive potential later, etc.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:27pm
  “And judging from the fossil placements, they lived all over the world at that time.”
  I stopped reading this horse squeeze right there.
  No shortage of loons on the blaze. Goodnight.
  
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WaterTheTree
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:31pm
The sea levels rose at the end fo the ice age, flooding the Medeterannian and the Black Sea. The theory that the fishing villages and perhaps early cities were wiped out in that flooding is pretty well accepted by archeologists. The big difference is that here is a man with resources to do the sampling and maping of the ancient shoreline.

I personally believe in the bible as a divinely inspired work written by humans, and preserved by intervention of God to give us truths of human nature and our role in this world. That Truth does not change if the world is 5600 years old or 5 billion years old.

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- TEXASGRANNY73
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:23am
  Yes. Ye shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. Water the tree, like that. It would be interesting to know though. Just as dna is today.
  
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Carlinpa
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:29pm
Yeah the Noduh institute already confirmed this

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paperpushermj
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:26pm
I’m happy for you. For you are truly blessed for you take great please in small things.

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Sailpipes
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:25pm
I agree that there was a big flood a long time ago, but the Bible talks about a global flood, not a localized one in the Black Sea. It’s the only explanation for so many things that we now know about our earth and can observe. Fossils by the bazillions are a good starting point. When a fleshy animal dies, what happens to it? Other animals and bacteria eat it and its bones get scattered. If it’s buried under hundreds of feet of mud, it will be preserved. Look at the mountains of sedimentary rock all over the world. You can go out and see poli-strata tree fossils going through many layers of rock. They didn’t stand for millions of years getting slowly buried, they were ripped up and sunk in a flood. There are hundreds of global flood legends from around the world, most of which revolve around some version of the name Noah. The water didn’t come from just 40 days of rain. We get that up here in the Pacific Northwest. The Bible talks about a canopy of water, probably in one of the upper layers of the atmosphere, which must have fallen and that the fountains of the deep broke open. This leaves the question, “where did all the water go?” It’s still here. It’s filling in the oceans. The earth’s crust below the oceans is many miles thinner than under the continents. After the water came up on top, the ocean bottoms dropped down and the waters asswaged. A good animation and explanation of what this must have been like can be found here: http://www.creations

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- lel2007
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:03pm
  The link doesn’t work.
  
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- Patrick Henry II
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:10pm
  The fossil record is obvious evidense. Excellet point.
  
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- Unconquerablesoul
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:40am
  Great points about the fossils. Every time I drive through Utah out I 70 to Colorado I can’t help but marvel at the carved-out topography that eventually winds to the Grand Canyon. To imagine the amount of water it took to carve the earth like that is unfathomable.
  
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- Gup20
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:40am
  Sailpipes, most reputable creationists have abandoned the canopy theory. There was more than enough water under the crust to flood the earth — especially when you consider that the earth was much more flat back then before tectonic shifting pushed mountain ranges up.
  
  But there are marine fossils everywhere on planet earth – even at the top of the highest mountains.
  
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ktmrider1
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:23pm
oh my god! global warming 5000 years ago? algore is really old!

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- DIR
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:17am
  Owl isn’t only old, he’s nuts as well.
  
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Christian Kalgaard
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:20pm
yeah i know

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Delores at CH WV
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:19pm
Why do people want to prove that the BIBLE is a fairytale? The BIBLE is a very, great book with life lessons. However, if your eyes are not open, then, you are blinded to the truth. Therefore, you will never read the BIBLE’s secrets and you will continue to live in the fairytale life that you have chosen.

Only the enlighten folk will see the truth of God’s Word. Unbelievers will always be blind to the truth by their free choice of arrogance.

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- YellowFin
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:37pm
  Well said!
  
  This Blaze story is trying to portray the Bible’s account of the flood in a convoluted way, attaching a scientific approach to explain away the Biblical account, and to change the facts to support some other explanation. The Black Sea could indeed have formed by a flooding of the area but the Bible account states Noah’s flood was a global event, not a local one.
  
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- VoteRightDammit
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:20pm
  Good question, but simple to answer.
  
  Atheists are very, very insecure in their faith. Consider this; if they were correct, and at death we are all simply worm food, then there is ZERO upside to convincing anyone of this. You die and are gone (according to them); end of story regardless of one’s beliefs. Doesn’t help others at all to fall in line with the atheist’s beliefs. Yet atheists are absolutely evangelical in their efforts to get others to believe in their faith. Why?
  
  Only one possible answer: they are insecure and feel threatened whenever they meet up with someone who disagrees. Strikes fear, since they realize they, perhaps, are making the biggest mistake of their lives.
  
  Pity they can’t cowboy up and face their insecurity.
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:36pm
  YellowFin “Noah’s flood was a global event, not a local one”
  
  No it was not. Nor does the bible say this if you will bother to study it in the ancient Hebrew. The flood was to eradicate the giants, who did not inhabit the whole earth. In all His generations concerning Noah was talking about pedigree. Chinese history spans roughly 8,000 years and they built the wall to protect themselves from the giants. They have stories of the year of the great flood with water cresting the wall in portions of their empire. Stories dating back about 5,000 years. Not a coincidence. The Catabole covered the earth about 14,000 years ago, talked of in Jeremiah 4:24. Not Noah’s flood. The dove brought back an olive branch because there were still olive trees on portions of the earth, still dry. Perpetrating incorrect accounts clearly disprovable only serves to turn away the secular who might have otherwise listened. What remains of the Arc is petrified and resting across the valley from Mount Ararat. The locals have known this for thousands of years and to this day try to keep things hidden and Westerners away. Likely because they do not like Jews, Christians, and no doubt because they do not want a Starbucks opening up nearby.
  
  People need to try harder when they study either the Word or history.
  
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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:15am
  Dr Vel
  Genesis 6:17 Then I myself will bring the flood of water over the earth to destroy from under heaven every living thing that breathes; everything on earth will be destroyed.
  
  I can’t read Hebrew, but that’s what it says in every translation of the Bible or Torah that I’ve ever seen, though I certainly agree that it is impossible, and I think that anyone who believes in a worldwide flood is crazy.
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:46am
  Being more specific it was in the mountains of Ararat, with Mount Ararat being the largest. Which is how the ark can rest across the valley from Mount Ararat yet still taken in legend and folktales to be on Mount Ararat. Just a small language difficulty between various peoples through history. Likewise the common error in teaching that the flood covered the whole earth is merely poor understanding of Hebrew. In effect ‘the whole world’ meant pertaining to the tribes and peoples in the area at the time. For example the Chinese were not part of these, their “whole earth” was Asia. They had bad floods but endured mostly intact. Noah took two of every flesh from His part of the “whole earth”, likely mainly the animals they herded and used for sustenance. The Hebrew text does not imply two of every species on the planet. The visible portion remains of the ark can be seen on google earth if you know where to look. Most of it is buried. Watch this video.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCyOVGBnNp8
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:02am
  Chet Hempstead “Dr Vel Genesis 6:17 Then I myself will bring the flood of water over the earth to destroy from under heaven every living thing that breathes; everything on earth will be destroyed.”
  
  This was the Catabole, long before Noah, Jer 4:24. You read Hebrew in error and I can prove it with your own quote from your understanding. Simple. “every living thing that breathes; everything on earth will be destroyed”. Noah breathes, His family breathes, His two of every flesh (animals) breathe. See your error? If the dove was destroyed, and the olive branch (it was alive), how did it go find one and bring it back? I am a Christian, believe in God, yet am ashamed of the total lack of logic and critical thinking Christians daily exhibit to others. Lazy, slothful study. You confuse Noah’s flood with the Catabole 14,000 years ago. This flood did destroy all, God destroyed all and in Genesis restored the earth. The first two verses in the Word are separated by roughly 4.5 billion years and likely few will see this error as evidenced by teaching common to bible thumpers. The earth BECAME (not WAS) void and without form in the Catabole, the war to put down satan. Clearly stated in the Hebrew. Jer 4:24 describes it well. Mastodons frozen in the arctic. Guess why. Also more than one Adam is described. Adam, and Ha Adam. Oh well put it on a shelf, I wonder if the unlearned will ever learn? To rightly divide the Word realize it goes back and forth in time.
  
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- UnfortunateAgnostic
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:14am
  “Yet atheists are absolutely evangelical in their efforts to get others to believe in their faith.” – VOTERIGHTDAMMIT
  
  Like most Christians, most atheists don’t push their beliefs in other people’s faces. You only hear about the crazy atheists who want to tear down any public mention of religion. It’s equivalent to the media focusing on crazy Christians who burn Korans or protest military funerals.
  
  Before you get so high and mighty, think about the fact that we can control our actions, but we can’t control our beliefs. I would love to be Christian, but to me it looks like the facts contradict science and history, so what can I do? I can act in a Christian manner but I can’t force myself to believe. Similarly, you couldn’t chose to NOT believe even if you wanted to. You could definitely act in a sinful manner, but you can’t change your belief away from God.
  
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- HOOT_OWL
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:44am
  Dr Vel
  Although I applaud you for your great insight to the specifics, that you clearly explained .I take issue with you on some issues. First , there has been many great biblical teachers, through the years . And I never once heard them deliver this assertion ,that you have just laid out ( 2 Adams). Second and the most important ,you say that you are a Christians , then in the same sentence take a jab at other Christians. There is only ONE message that Christ mandated us to do as Christians. And that is to ..‘Spread the Good News’. Not one soul will be saved by knowing the specifics of what happened to Noah’s ark and whether it was the whole earth that was flooded or just a certain area. I would also like too know. Have you brought a single person to the cross and accept the lord Jesus as their personal savior ..? With all your knowledge of the flood and the first book of the bible, that you clearly have advanced knowledge of. Be careful that in your quest to enlighten other fellow Christians , you don’t walk with your nose above other brothers and sister in the faith and find yourself being grouped together with the Pharisees , that Jesus gave such a stern warning too.
  
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- Gup20
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:51am
  @ DR VEL
  
  So you must believe that God only created a small portion of the world in the beginning, or that Judgment day will only affect a small portion of the world’s population as well?
  
  2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
  6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
  7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
  
  If it was a localized flood, perhaps you believe God is a liar:
  
  Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
  14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
  15 And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
  16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] upon the earth.
  
  If it was a local flood, and God promised to never bring a local flood, then God is a liar because there have been many local floods over the years. But there has never been another flood that destroyed the whole earth as Noah’s flood did.
  
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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:37pm
  Dr Vel
  I already told you, I can’t read Hebrew at all, but I find it hard to believe that every singe translator throughout history except for you reads it so badly that they can’t tell the difference between the past and future tense.
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:08pm
  Gup20, your comments are simply too lacking in intelligent critical thinking, reading comprehension among other skills, to be worth a reply.
  
  HOOT_OWL “Dr Vel, Although I applaud you for your great insight to the specifics, that you clearly explained . There has been many great biblical teachers, through the years . And I never once heard them deliver this assertion ,that you have just laid out ( 2 Adams). Second and the most important ,you say that you are a Christians , then in the same sentence take a jab at other Christians.”
  
  First, except for the elect the whole world will worship the antichrist. Intelligent thought would derive the conclusion that therefore all the millions of Christians who are not the elect, have not been taught truth now have they. Else they would not be worshiping the beast or his image, i.e., the great falling away. Also a simple reading of scriptures without bias would clearly show the two Adams being mentioned. If you had a clue concerning ancient Hebrew you would know the addition of ‘Ha’ indicates a different person than the Adam without the ‘Ha’ before the name.
  
  Second, Jim Jones was leader of a ‘Christian church’. Are you saying the Lord said not to speak out against those forcing parents to give purple coolaid to their kids then themselves? You would be one sorry example to defend the actions of these church leaders now wouldn’t you.
  
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I SPY
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:18pm
Funny how an interesting and uplifting story about a Biblical story is reported, the atheists, communists, liberal losers and democraps quickly rush to The Blaze to slander it with their hateful responses. It’s like graffiti from a high school drop out. Lol, you pathetic liberals, your greed driven unions can’t protect you from the Truth.

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JohnJoseph
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:16pm
Sorry Mr. Ballard, I don’t need for you to find the ark in order for me to see it and believe. The Word of God tells me how to believe:

Hebrews 11:1—
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 11:6—
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Hebrews 11:7—
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

The Word of God tells us everything we need to know about Noah’s ark – from the measurements to the three stories inside, to the only “ONE” window on top and only “ONE” door on the side.

The reason that the ark has never been found (and they might find an ark – but I don’t believe it will be Noah’s ark) because God knows that if He would allow someone to find it – men will worship the ark instead of God!

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- TEXASGRANNY73
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:36am
  I like and agree with everything you wrote. With exception of worshiping an ark. Interesting name.
  
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onetoomany
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:15pm
Research Answers in Genesis. There is a life sized ark and a creation museum, tells all with scientific proof. In MO I think. Go to answersingenesis.com

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- whitefantom
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:06pm
  It’s in Petersburg, KY, just west of Cincinnati. My husband, my inlaws, and I actually just went there last weekend–it’s a very good museum, with a lot to see.
  
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- Gup20
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:45am
  I’ve been the the Creation Museum as well. It is absolutely amazing. Their Ark Project isn’t finished yet, but you can learn about it here: http://arkencounter.com/
  
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:14pm
The possibily that a catastrophic, naturally occuring no supernatural beings needed, flood occured devastating some ancient civilization is not what is questioned. Its the non sensical fairy tale of a 600 year old putting 2 of every animal on a boat because his imaginary best friend told him to that it is rightly dismissed as such by any rational person.

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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:08pm
It has never been the occurence of a flood that has been disputed, it is the non-sensical fairy tale of a 600 year old man putting 2 of EVERY animal on a boat that is dismissed as such by any rational person.

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- Beachmastermax
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:17pm
  Not when you add in that it was the creater of the universe that commanded him to do it.
  
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- Rowgue
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:23pm
  They always disputed the flood having taken place, that’s baloney. The switch to the loading of the animals on the ship thing is what they’ve changed to after being made to look like idiots when discovery after discovery has indicated that a catastrophic worldwide flood did indeed take place.
  
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- Rayblue
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:30pm
  The extent of your nose appears to be the extent of your suresightedness..
  
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- TROLLMONGER
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:39pm
  beachmaster,
  
  prove that your god created the universe. And no cop out questions of you prove that god didnt create the universe bc I cant prove that. But I dont go around preaching that a god created it when i dont have any proof what so ever!
  
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- Guitarcarl
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:00pm
  We gotta prove there’s a God, you don’t even have to provide a shred of evidence for any of the liberal crap you believe in. Doesn’t seem fair to me, especially since us believing in God doesn’t hurt you at all and we have to give all our freedom and money to your crazy liberal gods.
  
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- VoteRightDammit
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:25pm
  Troll: liar.
  
  You go about trying to assert there is no God, and no Truth, all the time ….. with ZERO evidence. So don’t go saying we should not hold YOUR feet to the fire, when you are attempting to do just that.
  
  As for me, I could not care less what happens to you. Live and die as you wish; not my concern.
  
  I expect you to keep your own pompous opinions and faith (yes, your atheism is a faith-based system) in your own cave since my life is not, and should not be, any of YOUR concern.
  
  Thanks and have a happy non-everlasting.
  
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- ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:38am
  Rowgue
  Oh, the notion of a wordlwide flood is not disputed its simply ignored as lunacy. No discovery has suggested otherwise.
  
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- INTHEBROTHERHOOD
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:41am
  @troll………say the name Jesus 5 times outloud slowly while looking in a mirror. i’m betting you cant do it
  
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- Rowgue
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:12pm
  Lol sure. There are perfectly logical alternate explanations for how there are large gypsum deposits in the middle of the dryest desert on earth.
  
  Not to mention you just proved your original statement to be bold faced lie.
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 6:07am
  TROLLMONGER “beachmaster, prove that your god created the universe.”
  
  Why should He when never once in history has any of your kind, nor any of the greatest scientists man has ever known, been able to prove God did not create all things. Time is intimately connected to space which exists in three spatial dimensions. If you will, assume time itself is the fourth. Before the universe existed neither did space, or space-time as it is more properly termed. Since beings existing within the physical realm can never know what occurred before time began the concept of proving what went on before the moment of creation is not possible. All anyone can do is guess. So, the moment one of you proves God does not exist one of us will take the time to prove that He does. This explanation can be summarized in simple terms by saying: since it is you who demands we stop believing in God in all fairness you must first put up or shut up. I will offer this. If you can prove Bell’s inequality can be possible in a space-time comprised of less than 5 dimensions I will take the time to prove God exists. For science to insist we believe two particles light-years apart can each know what the other is doing (be quantum connected) one must assume your secular science is asking us to believe in invisible magic. Ironically this is exactly what you keep complaining about to us Christians every time we mention our belief in God.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:45am
  “prove that your god created the universe”
  
  I believe we CAN and have proven that the God of the Bible created the universe. :) A major reasoning that convinced me and is irrefutable (as far as I can figure or anyone I’ve asked can tell), is based on causality. Everything has a cause, and each cause is in turn an effect of a previous cause. So if you work this out mathematically you can reach two initial possibilities, and then further consideration rules one out.
  
  The first is that there has been an infinite string of finite causes. This seems disproven by many scientific proofs that time had a beginning, and even if not, it begs the question of how this design feature got there.
  
  So we’re left with only one possibility — a single infinite, beyond-time cause. To be truly infinite it must contain in its nature all the potential to originate the details of the known universe, thus must be alive (or technically, able to be experienced as alive as we temporal beings move through it). Basically if you work it all out it comes down to the fact that it must be God (not little g God but the single Almighty, all-knowing, all-present, and all-powerful).
  
  This God must have the perfect ability to see the future (unlike temporal little g gods of other religion who are basically aliens like in panspermia and other atheistic religions). This God would prove his Word to be true by accurate, unfakeable prophecy, as only the Bible has. :)
  
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Beachmastermax
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:03pm
I was taught in the government youth propoganda camps that the Grand Canyon was formed over millions of years from the flow of the Colorado River cutting through the earth as it rose up to it’s present elevation (the Kiabab Platteu). So driving into the North rim of the Grand Canyon I assumed that the 10 mile long, 1 mile deep, canyon directly to my left was the actual Grand Canyon. Whoa, to my suprise it was just a tributary canyon with a dry creek bed and hardly a rain basin at all. How the hell did that get there I wondered? There was no huge river doing any cutting there?

Ballard ought to ad that to his list.

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- Mobuy
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:57pm
  Um, ancient river, flash floods, you saw it in a drought, the water has been diverted for agriculture or drinking….God made it in 3 minutes is not the only possible explanation.
  
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- Beachmastermax
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:54pm
  But is one possible explanation.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:26pm
  Another problem with river hypothesis is that the actual Colorado river has cut a small meandering path in the floor of the canyon which doesn’t even touch all the branches of it. We see the action that river has done, and it’s tiny.
  
  There WAS technically an ancient river system involved, though; the draining of the continent during the latter stages of the global Flood. At one point there was land peeking up around while water was still going through at high speeds and volumes. A lot of it was probably carved before that, though.
  
  Also, at the Mt. St. Helens canyons which were formed overnight, rivers naturally flowed into them later once the normal water cycle got going. So basically it’s the other way around — the Grand Canyon attracted the Colorado river, and formed its path for that stretch.
  
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hi
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:58pm
I“If there were a worldwide flood, we would expect to find billions of dead things buried in rock layers all over the world, and that’s exactly what we do find.” Ken Ham

Fossils are formed by rapid burial in muddy water. Walt brown PhD has a great book called In The Beginning which gives scientific proof the flood happened. He earned his PhD from MIT.

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- logicmatters
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:16pm
  Th flood most like did happen, as many floods happen in the world now. However, I think folks at that time made it into lore and Noah and his Ark came out of it. Please! Look at the size of that thing. You really believe hundred of thousands of species of animal, etc could have lived on that thing?
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:27pm
  Tell that to the ancient civilizations that existed before and after this particular flood myth.
  
  I’ve read many of your previous post and found you to be reasonable. Please don’t let people like Ken Ham deceive you. Realize this is what they HAVE to say.
  
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- hi
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:36pm
  Read Walt Brown’s book! It is online and you do t e en have to buy it!
  
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- Gup20
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:57am
  @LOGICMATTERS
  
  In the book Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, creationist researcher John Woodmorappe suggests that, at most, 16,000 animals were all that were needed to preserve the created kinds that God brought into the Ark.
  The Ark did not need to carry every kind of animal—nor did God command it. It carried only air-breathing, land-dwelling animals, creeping things, and winged animals such as birds. Aquatic life (fish, whales, etc.) and many amphibious creatures could have survived in sufficient numbers outside the Ark. This cuts down significantly the total number of animals that needed to be on board.
  Another factor which greatly reduces the space requirements is the fact that the tremendous variety in species we see today did not exist in the days of Noah. Only the parent “kinds” of these species were required to be on board in order to repopulate the earth. For example, only two dogs were needed to give rise to all the dog species that exist today.
  
  http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/really-a-flood-and-ark
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:36am
  GodisNot — Ken Ham is not a deceiver. I’ve been analyzing reasoning from both sides on this issue for a long time, and Ham has proven reliable and logical. It’s actually atheists and some other evolutionists who have on objective moral basis for a rule against lying, and they use deceptive tactics all the time. For example, the recent debunking of whale evolution illustrated their tactics — a fossil was found of a land creature, but parts were missing. They acted like the parts missing were a whale-like tail, and actually pointed to this for years (many probably still are) as positive evidence FOR evolution. But later other fossils were found and guess what? No whale-like tail. It was a lie.
  
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freeberty
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:56pm
5,000 or 7,000 yrs ago? I thought the earth was only 6,000 years old? World wide flood, or only the size of Illinois? Seems like the biblical “scholars” need to get their act together.

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- jman-6
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:09pm
  The translation is interpreted to mean the known world at the time! GOD BLESS!!
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:22am
  Logical scholars have, thankfully. The earth is (as of now) roughly 6000 years old, and it was a global Flood. This is also necessary scientifically for many reasons. I’ve listed some on other comments on this page; others can be found at biblical creation sites like creation.com and answersingenesis.org. :)
  
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Lando
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:47pm
The Ark will probably be found one day when the time is right. There is a reason God told Noah to coat the wood with tar inside and out… preservation. Time will tell.

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- Rowgue
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:14pm
  They use tar or “pitch” to seal the gaps between planks on wooden ships. That wasn’t some super special instruction specific to that construction. And it doesn’t last forever. You have to constantly remove and replace the pitch as it dries out and loses it’s sealant capabilities. You don’t just rub some tar on something and it’s preserved forever.
  
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ProgressiveDeist267
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:44pm
This is interesting. Even though I’m skeptical that the entire world was flooded and that Noah’s Ark happened. It is interesting how all these stories of large floods came about. The Epic of Gilgamesh is the earliest known case of God’s who flooded the world. In my opinion it is possible something happened in the past that resulted in large floods which became legends.

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- FLguy71
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:17pm
  I teach The Epic of Gilgamesh as the private school where I work, and it’s an interesting story. My students discuss how it can be possible that it was written before the Noah account, written by Moses during the Exodus through the wilderness. They also discuss if a later account can actually be more accurate than an older account, which of course it can be, if the source is more accurate, and arguably, if Moses’ source was God himself, the Biblical account would be the more accurate. Of course, this is where faith meets history, and that’s a whole other debate. Still, it is great that a small religious school like mine can discuss these kinds of things, while the liberal government run schools can’t touch it.
  
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- ProgressiveDeist267
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:33pm
  As a skeptic I do not believe that the bible is accurate. It has changed over time do to translations, different denomination had their own traditions and practices, etc. What I try to see is how the bible came about in the ancient Middle East. What influenced these wild tales and legends, How did everything change throughout the years, and how modern day beliefs and religions are similar and different compared to the stories that influenced them. The biblical account was influenced by similar legends. Early man most likely didn’t understand why their homes and lands can be flooded. After they returned from the flood I imagine they saw the destruction and death of all kind of people and animals. They would create stories how God’s probably were disappointed in them because they didn’t live the way they believed God wanted them to. Stories were either told or written. Passed down generation to generation; the stories would also change and spread over time. Early Israelis adopted the story since they shared the same beliefs as early Middle Easters.
  
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- Acena
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:11pm
  The bible is the best historical record we have.You can’t discount it completely as fairy tales and legends .
  You have to look to : anthropology ,archeology and geology to find any possible facts.
  
  Taking into account the known world of 10,000 or 5,000 years ago is nothing like our concept of the earth , The planet and climate have been through many stages and evolutions .The people had no idea the planet was round,had multiple continents and no concept of the diversity of animals .
  
  The most advanced civilization of the time were Semitic peoples – a small portion of which became Jews. As shown from the DNA of ancient remains – 9,000 year old tooth from Jericho Y DNA Haplotype J ,a type considered definitive of Jews.And similar remains in Israel ,Lebanon ,Jordan ,Syria ,Iran & Egypt .
  
  A huge flood was not impossible , a man saving people and animals is more likely than not. A “premonition ” of a coming flood is explainable .
  
  Judaism ,the parent religion , is the meeting of God,science and man. It gave man explanations,reasons ,morality ,education ,organization and developed societies .
  So the story of Noah would be from the perception,beliefs and knowledge of these people .
  
  We need all the remains,relics and info we can find to make any sort of assumptions .
  
  The biggest enemy to archeologists,anthropologist and historians are muslims ,who sell or destroy all evidence they find and create fake muslim items.
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:32am
  You know, I get the impression most of you who talk about Gilgamesh have never actually read it. His ark is a cube. There’s just no way it’s the real account and the biblical one (with a boat design that’s been proven to be highly seaworthy) the distortion. It’s clearly the other way around. Gilgamesh was also recorded much later, according to the toledoth theory (that Moses compiled older accounts in Genesis, as Genesis contains apparent author statements at various points throughout it, from Adam, Noah, etc.).
  
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:43pm
Because this guy said it happend then it must be true. And the old Beckbots will take this as verifiable confirmation due to their gullible natures. No wonder Beck had such a easy time reeling them in…LOL!

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- Guitarcarl
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:26pm
  Come on Trollicker you’re just sore cause the Bible has more solid evidence than your liberal environmentalist church. A world wide flood is just easier to believe than man made global warming. But then again you liberals will believe anything.
  
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- TROLLMONGER
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:42pm
  I dont believe in global warming. I believe the sun controls our climate. And it makes a lot more sense than a man made book created over 2000 yrs ago.
  
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- Guitarcarl
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:38pm
  Okay, Troll I stand corrected, so why do you feel the need to post the constant wisecracks about the bible and religious people? What’s the point? Does it make you feel superior? You some kind of bully? You think we are going to read your post and suddenly realize how ridiculous we are? I just don’t get it why the constant nasty rips? What kind of horse’s ass comes on Glenn Becks site just to act like a big jerk?
  
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- INTHEBROTHERHOOD
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:52am
  @troll sun has very very little effect on our climate…..more of a daily effect on our weather….two different things the oceans control 95% of the worlds climate and the oceans are heating up. that happens when theres a, fire under the pot (ring of fire) sooner or later it will begin to boil. im just sayin
  
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- rEt_fiELdoP
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 7:27am
  @ GUITARCARL
  
  It isn’t worth going after others who just throw out random posts that seemingly are “above” the rest. Albeit I liked the posts you gave, you shouldn’t give trollicky the pleasure of your response… Internalize it and realize there are those who are that way…
  
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- Don
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 12:45pm
  @Encinom and Trolltard LOL I said it before and I’ll say it again. Here come the so called atheists who refuse to believe in God then attack the very beliefs of those who do. LOL I mean come ooonnn encinom trolllll LOL give it a rest already. YOU are trying to prove TO YOURSELF that there’s just NO WAY God exists. I mean hell, here we are, on a website forum that you know most people believe that Noah existed and yes there was a boat. I mean seriously lol, do you feel so sorry for us that you have to whip yourself into a frenzy and attack what others wish to believe? I mean are you not, CONTENT in what YOU believe? Apparently NOT!! Most folks I have found to be secure in their own beliefs don’t feel the NEED to try and attack and hate on those who believe differently then they do. I can see comparing notes for the sake of discussion but YOU just rant and babble and HOPE deep down there’s no God. But if your REALLY sure there’s NO God fine then so be it, but stop harassing and hating those who do? Ask yourself (Whats the point)? Have a Merry Christmas.
  
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- Don
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:10pm
  One Little tid bit for troll tard there. Guess what you freak?? The entire Universe is based upon the a certain law called Cause and EFFECT. Lord Kelvin (leading world physicist) (who did believe in a Supreme Being) He said simply put, that without cause you have no effect. The Universe to you has no actual cause. Most likely you believe what many others do that the universe came from a tiny condensed black dot ROFLMAO!!! I mean Seriously?? LOL really? a back dot that came from no where? Just was THERE then BANG we have all this?? ROFLMAO!!! Give it a freaken rest dude. lol The Universe has an ACTUAL cause. The entire universe is GOVERNED by this actual caused law, it should, A Supreme being out side liner time of absolute power used this very principle to govern our reality. If you think about it even TIME is a machine, you know the unseen gears that drive the universe forward?? Yea that Time. Anyway ask yourself this tard head lol has TIME always existed and if not, who made the machine? I am trying to NOT go to far above your head here but honestly? Your asking us humans to PROVE to you God exists. Well to be honest we CANT and WONT even try. We DONT have too for the simple fact is that the laws of physics can do it for us. lol so remember when you think of the universe being caused by some unknown little pebble in deep space YOU are defying the very laws that govern our universe. Merry Christmas!! :O)
  
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rtlane28
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:40pm
Haaa…More proof of man made global warming….

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Rob
Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:40pm
And this is why you morons cost us the election…. you believe that Harry Potter is magical and that the vampires are real in Twilight. sigh… get over your fantasies and just be conservative in the real world.

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- TROLLMONGER
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 9:44pm
  They wont get over their fantasy world mentality. Its completely ingrained into their primitive psyche.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:01pm
  …funny your post got put in between ads, not much difference between…
  
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- jman-6
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:04pm
  Exactly who are you referring to?
  
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- TROLLMONGER
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:15pm
  jman,
  
  Rob is referring to you and your fellow backwards thinking Beckbots.
  
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- Guitarcarl
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 10:45pm
  I thought Rob was talking about you Trollmonkey. Put a white coat on a guy and some letters after his name and you believe any silly thing they say.
  
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- the wireworker
  Posted on December 11, 2012 at 11:46pm
  so you are saying that there is not an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God so therefore
  you must be omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent to know that in the whole of the universe you are
  the one who is right?
  
  God created you, gave you an user manual, let you have free will to deny him, provided a way for you to spend an eternity with him because he loves you, yeah your right…who would want that…pffft
  
  what’s your eternal plan of salvation for mankind to be renewed back to you?
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:29am
  Your comments could apply to evolutionists, so not sure what you mean, but most people who talk that way are evolutionists referring to creationists, so presuming so — what good does it do to “be conservative” without salvation? Gain the whole world, lose your soul.
  
  Besides, conservatism is founded on biblical principles; take away that objective foundation and it’s just “pick and choose” time. Providing no justification for choosing conservatism over liberalism. It has to be grounded in logic, morality, and faith.
  
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