Glenn Beck will be covering Christian themes and imagery in “The Hobbit” tonight on TheBlaze TV.
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When examining popular literary works, there’s often a fascinating story surrounding the author and his or her intended purpose in crafting the messaging within a book. From religious sentiments to embedded ideals about the human condition, fiction is often used to make grand and pertinent statements about mankind. Case in point: J.R.R. Tolkien and his book, “The Hobbit.”
In “The Christian World of the Hobbit,” a new literary analysis of the popular writer, author Devin Brown examines the intense religious nature of Tolkien’s written works. In a recent interview with CBN.com, Brown provided some fascinating tidbits of information. Among them, a fact that many Tolkien fans might not be aware of: “The Hobbit” author was responsible for bringing C.S. Lewis to the Christian faith.
Here’s what Brown had to say about Tolkien’s religious views and his assistance in helping Lewis find Christ:
[Tolkien] was Roman Catholic. His mom converted; she had been an Anglican. His dad died. So, he went with her in the Catholic faith and was very devout, very pious. That said, when he helped bring Lewis to Christianity—he didn’t bring him to Catholicism, he brought him to Christianity. Certainly, his commitment to Christ was first and his denomination second. But, yeah, he was very pious, went to church not just every Sunday, but often every day. He was one of those kind of people, that I don’t know that very many of them exist anymore.
And just as Lewis was brought to faith by Tolkien, it was Tolkien who owes the success of his books to Lewis. In fact, “The Hobbit” author quit twice while working on “The Lord of the Rings” book project (a follow-up to “The Hobbit”), with Lewis begging him to continue.
“You’re going to leave me hanging here? You’ve got to finish it,” Lewis essentially told Tolkien. “This is going to be your great work.”
And complete it he did. Considering the intricate nature of Tolkien’s faith and his deeply held connection to Christ, naturally, his writings are reflective of that devotion. Brown contends that, while Tolkien didn’t initially write his books to be overtly Christian, over the long process of edits and amendments, the literary works did, indeed, end up having faith-based imagery infused within them.

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Brown explains, though, that critics sometimes attempt to poke holes in the theory that “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of the Rings” are Christian in nature, as the messages are less-than-overt. He explains:
People say, “Look, God’s not mentioned in The Hobbit or Lord of the Rings. There’s no churches, no priest, no Bible. There’s no Jesus. How can you say it’s Christian?” And I said, “Here’s the deal. You can’t see that it’s Christian because you live in the Christian world where there is right and wrong and there is truth. I don’t know if you know any friends who don’t believe that there’s right or wrong and don’t believe there’s such a thing as truth. That’s the non-Christian world.” I mean, that’s the world without God.
In Tolkien’s Middle-earth, there is a right or wrong. There is a goodness. There’s a providence.
He goes on to contend that Tolkien uses fiction in a fascinating way. Rather than merely entertaining readers, he also seeks to hold a mirror up to humanity and to address the issues that impact individuals in the real world. And by setting the stage in a non-existent land (i.e. Middle-earth), the argument — one that even Lewis posed when reviewing some of the works — is that self-reflection is made a bit easier.
Infusing Middle-earth with right and wrong and with other related themes, Brown agrees that Tolkein’s methodology actually does make it easier to connect with the ideals and plights in a very real way.
“Where, somehow because they’re not in our world, we see them more clearly, we feel them more powerfully, and we, oddly enough, identify with them,” he told CBN. “Bilbo and Frodo are not humans. They’re hobbits. We’re humans, not hobbits; but what we aren’t, we’re all the same.”

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As for “The Hobbit’s” plot and religious themes, Brown connected the dots during his CBN interview:
Everyone who’s seen The Lord of the Rings, knows that Bilbo was the one who found the Ring, originally from Gollum. In Lord of the Rings,he’s writing the story of his adventure, “There and Back Again”. He’s this guy who’s writing the red book. But The Hobbit is his story by himself. Frodo isn’t around, he hasn’t been born yet; he hasn’t entered the scene. And so, Gandalf shows up, looking for someone who will go on an adventure with these dwarves; and of course, Gandalf is this emissary. Someone has sent him, we don’t know who, but somebody big. Someone who loves Middle-earth and cares for Middle-earth, and that’s why he’s been sent. Clearly these dwarves are going to need somebody’s assistance.
I love the Christian theme, “Not by power, nor by might.” So, Bilbo’s not very powerful, not very mighty, and he’s going to help make this mission accomplishment. Here’s the Christian thing I think about it, is the task that God has called us to, they’re called to help other people, and in helping other people, we help ourselves. Someone asked somebody a question, “Does the Christian hero go out to save the world or to save himself?” The answer is both. In saving the world and dying to save the world, he saves himself.
Believers who are unfamiliar with the books and movies might be surprised to find that the faith-based themes are deeply-rooted under the surface. It’s ironic, too, considering that Lewis so overtly discussed his religious views in his writings. Tolkien, in contrast, seemingly prefers a more under-the-rader handling of his theological perspective, as noted by Brown.
In an interview with Alabama.com, English professor Jane Chance of Rice University corroborated this notion, noting that Christian beliefs do, indeed, exist just beneath the surface.
“If you go to see ‘The Hobbit’ with a sense of Christianity in mind, you’re going to see morality and some underlying spirituality that we might perceive as being Christian,” she explained. ”Both ‘The Hobbit’ and ‘The Lord of the Rings’ are deeply religious in their subtext. You’re not going to find that on the surface.”
In “The Lord of the Rings,” too, Chance said that Christian themes were prevalent.
“Aragorn represents a savior figure in a lot of ways,” she told Alabama.com. “He’s a hero but he’s also a Christ figure in many ways, bringing harmony to Middle Earth.”
“The Hobbit” will premiere this weekend in theaters across America.






















































































































Comments (133)
AliceInObamaland
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:21pmTolkien was very religious man and he loved languages. That is the bases of his work, he created a world. From their mythologies, culture, and languages. There is no doubt he was influenced by his childhood love of the country life, the World Wars, Beowolf and the Bible read the Silmarillion. The Silmarillion is the forging or the genesis of Middle Earth and it’s history up until the Hobbit. Not any easy read since it’s mostly short stories and reads kind like a cross between a history book and the Bible with all the so and so begets…
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SDAJumpmaster
Dec. 12, 2012 at 4:18pmThe creator in the Simarillion was Iluvater – which Tolkein translated as the All-Father, who created from his mind the entire universe, and the greatest of his creations (forgive me, after 30 years I forgot that name) turns against Iluvater and devised all that is evil. Sounds a little like Genesis 1 & 2 and Isaiah 14 to me…
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Onesimus
Dec. 12, 2012 at 6:58pmMalor if memory serves.
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FedupinCA
Dec. 12, 2012 at 8:11pmMelkor was his name (renamed Morgoth later in the book). Illuvatar was essentailly God. And you are correct, “The Silmarillion” is really where a lot of christain themes are blantantly obvious. IMO, the best of his works.
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 12:03pmYeah, if you read the Silmarillion, it’s crystal clear Tolkien did mention God in his story universe, and for anyone to claim otherwise seems very silly. He basically wrote a more detailed version of Genesis 1. :)
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TheCalmOne
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:20pmClutching at straws, I think.
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Locked
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:39pmThat was my first thought with some of their examples, but there’s no denying Tolkien was a staunch Catholic and that he took a lot of his influence from his faith. Tolkien is great because while his work does have Christian themes, it borrows from several sources and experiences he had. Unlike Lewis’s Chronicles of Narnia, the Christian themes don’t hit you over the head (as a boy I finished reading Narnia, turned to my mother and said “Why did you give me this? It’s just the Bible, right down to Jesus, God, and Revelation… but poorly written.” I was a precocious child). Yes, they’re there… but so are a ton of other influences. If Lewis’s works are the Vatican, Tolkien’s are America: Christianity is important, but it’s but one important part of what makes the whole thing great.
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Bloody Sam
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:43pmI just found out that this is to be the first of three films chronicling the journey of Bilbo and the Dwarves under the mountain to confront Smaug.
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Cavallo
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:58pm@Locked, speaking of hitting things on the head,… I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.
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circleDwagons
Dec. 12, 2012 at 4:08pm3 more movies? Joy, my brother -in-law still gives me grief for wasting his time on Lord of the Ring.
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neffy812
Dec. 12, 2012 at 10:35pmDefinitely reaching on this. Are you kidding me? This is worse than seeing Jesus on a piece of toast. They should be embarrassed.
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 12:57pmJust calling something clutching at straws doesn’t actually argue that it is. I don’t see how you figure. Could you explain?
Same for you, Neffy. Your analogy doesn’t seem to fit at all; that is a claimed miracle. This is just saying an author had an intent…
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Valuable
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:11pmI love the Judeo-Christian themes of Lewis and Tolkein!! Another classic that is an allegory of Judeo-Christian worldviews is Moby Dick. Albeit a much tougher read than the other two.
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Infected
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:21pmBilbo and the Bible….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaDJNL8sLVc
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ronin_6
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:08pmMy sons told me that the Lord of the Rings and the Narnia novels were the result of a bet between Lewis and Tolkien on who could produce the best corallary to the new testament. As they say the scales fell from my eyes when they told me that. Of course. Frodo bearing the weight of mankinds wickedness, Aslan being sacrafised to fulfill prophesy and then rising from the dead. Its all there.
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Pauln
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:29pmit goes before the new testament, and Tolkien himself said it was all based on his Catholic fatih
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Locked
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:31pmYou… really never thought about Aslan being Christ before? Did you read the series? The entire last book is “Revelation: animal style.”
Tolkien is a much better writer than Lewis (at least comparing their most famous works; I always felt Narnia was aimed at very young audiences and that explains why it was so over-the-top with the preaching); at least Tolkien is subtle. You can read into the Christian elements, or ignore them entirely, or take away something completely different than what Tolkien himself envisioned. Lewis is pretty much “Hey, here’s Jesus as a Lion among the lambs. His father, the Emperor, is God. And by the way, you kids are all dying at the end and going to heaven! Except Susan. Tough luck!”
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ronin_6
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:59pmI read the Narnia books when I was very young and yes I made the conection but didn’t think anything of it. I was only 9 or 10 for goodness sake. I read the Tolkein books in junior high. In fact we were made to read them in 7th grade as I recall. I don’t recall making any connection at that time and that was at a Catholic school.
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SquidVetOhio
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:07pmAwesome
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4theThinMan
Dec. 12, 2012 at 2:53pmIn almost all books of fiction – even things like Star Wars – there is a good versus evil. Much of the Lord of the Rings – and thus the Hobbit which precedes it is a wonderful mash of mostly Germanic mythology. Having read the books at least once a year since I first found them back in the 80′s – I see no “Christian” theme in them. Biblical – perhaps – but only in the sense of good versus evil. But then there is a bit of mythology in the bible as well.
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VRW Conspirator
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:25pmHave you read other works by Tolkien…the other Middle Earth books…the lost tales 1 and 2 and the Silmarrion – which is basically the “bible” of Middle Earth. It has a genesis creation story and talks about the angels and the war that broke out between them over the races of Middle Earth. It covers the separation of the races why they don’t get along. It covers how some get to return to the first lands – “the Garden of Eden” – as the elves do at the end of LOTR.
Reading that book pretty much defines Tolkien’s Christian worldview…maybe even guilded by some the Catholic notions of heaven and hell and the war of the angels. You can see it all there…
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goahead.makemyday
Dec. 13, 2012 at 9:27amI read the Silmarilion in seventh grade(I know I also read the lord of the rings in in the sixth grade) and I got the connection. It isn’t that herd to see.
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 12:14pmThere’s no mythology in the Bible except where it’s portrayed as such. ;) (Like the mentioning of false idols and other false gods, as well as explaining why those are false from God himself.)
And if you read the Silmarillion it’s crystal clear. With that context and going back to the other works, the clues to it become easier to see. :)
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Chiso
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:46pmI did not read the books or even know of the story before seeing the films.
I saw the Christian correlation immediately as well as the parallels to the world wars that I haven’t seen mentioned.
And yes MONICE fooled some people below by making a comment seemingly reflecting Judeo-Christian values, then throwing in a plug for communism at the end that too many missed.
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KyleD
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:21pmEhhh…Gandalf is much more of a savior figure than Aragorn. Aragorn is more of a prophet-king type…David perhaps (though Frodo also has similarities…he never became king though). Gandalf served as sort of a mentor or teacher throughout the books, he died saving the world (loosely…he died saving his companions who were on a mission to save the world), and then was reborn in a purer form.
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Locked
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:36pmGandalf is more equivalent to an angel (as is Sarumon and that other wizard who never makes an appearance in the movies… I forget his name). The other stories get into their role (and how the other two forgot or abandoned it) much deeper than the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings do.
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faithkills
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:12pmThe theme of Tolkien is against big government. The One Ring symbolized government power that was too great for man and too great a temptation for man. Gandalf and the Elves refused to take it, they would try to use it for good, but the result would always be evil.
Democracy or any government unbounded by a strict Constitution is indeed too dangerous for man, and should be destroyed in the fires of Mordor.
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brigott
Dec. 12, 2012 at 4:02pmBig government is ALWAYS an anti-Christian theme. The Bible teaches liberty and personal responsibility. ANY literary work that promotes liberty, therefore, is anti-big-government.
Tolkein’s writing are Biblically based, therefore they are pro-liberty.
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 12:17pmRight on, Brigott. But it was definitely an intentional theme in LotR too. :)
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faithkills
Dec. 13, 2012 at 2:40pmI wish Christianity was inherently pro-liberty, and today’s Christians are more inclined to be, but the bible is a mixed bag on the issue, and historically we see Christianity involved in some pretty nasty statism.
Even today, across the world it’s used to justify socialism more often than liberty.
Today, in the US, Canada, and Australia it is definitely more a of force for freedom than fascism, but do recall it was Christians who were behind prohibition and public schools, for example. The latter which has been an evil blemish on society which we have yet to eradicate.
Intended to force other peoples’ kids into being Christian it is now used to force other peoples’ kids to believe in socialism and ‘mother earth’. A sad justice that the tools of propaganda have been turned against not just it’s inventor, but all of society. Forever.
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 3:27pmThe Bible is not a mixed bag on the issue. It records when tyrannical governments went astray, but that is not the same thing as an endorsement. Read Samuel’s words at the Kinging of Saul for example. The Bible goes on to describe the Kings, and praise the good kings, but clearly a more democratic form of government was what God’s prophets endorsed.
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faithkills
Dec. 14, 2012 at 1:15pmI’m not as big a fan of the bible as you, since it has and still is being used as justification for statism, and especially socialism. Even some in America there a Christian socialists who think Jesus’s promoting charity somehow justifies the welfare state.
Even so you have accused the bible of evil that I do not see there, promoting democracy.
The bible does not support democracy, the bible supports the opposite, individual morality as guided by god. Ceaser’s due is granted because he has legions, not because Ceasar because of his supposed divine right to rule, nor even the Senate because they are a democratic body. The bible rejects defining morality by popular will. In the old testament god certainly had some choice punishments for those that thought to define morality by popular will.
The bible is anti-democratic, which is the very best thing about it.
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DrTJ
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:07pmCan’t wait to see the film!
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m224224
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:16pmJrr tolkien: “the lord of he rings is a CATHOLIC work” it is ridiculous to say that his catholicism came second. Tolkien believed that true christianity was catholic. Cs lewis was a high anglican, similar to catholic. This needs to be stated. Look it up foryourself
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aproudinfidel
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:25pmI read the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings by flashlight in Vietnam in 1968. Those books did more to save me than anything else. I have reread all of them at least three times since then. Anyone who fails to see good, evil, God, the devil and the struggles between them needs to learn how to read again. Thank you, J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Svt4Him
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:25pmActually he himself said it was not an analogy of Christianity or war. I’ll take him at his word.
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m224224
Dec. 12, 2012 at 4:52pmok svt4him, lets take him at his exact word: J.R.R. Tolkien wrote, “The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision.”
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 6:14pmYeah, Svt4Him, you’re probably thinking of what he said about it not being allegory specifically (as Narnia by contrast is allegory). But it does have intentional Christian themes.
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kindling
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:05pmI didn’t grow up in a christian home and didn’t find Jesus until I was an adult. I loved Gandolf as a child and because my own parents didn’t teach me right from wrong I had to get that from other examples. I think that is why Harry Potter is so good now. It works for so many age groups. You learn empathy and charity and all the things Christ lived and died to teach us, those that don’t have it in their homes like I didn’t have some source of where to learn it.
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JESUS-IS-GOD
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:33pmHow can sending your children to a school to learn magic teach them any good? I am really surprised that you see any good in Harry Potter movies. That series have led many down the road to hell because they think magic is cool and start getting involved in the occult.
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JESUS-IS-GOD
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:35pmOn a lighter note I am glad to see you found Christ. He is the greatest treasure.
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 12:21pmJesus-is-God (agree with the name BTW ;)), another interpretation is that the good magic is miracles from God while the bad is demonic magic of the sort talked about in Revelation. That may or may not be the author’s intent, but I doubt it’s to send people into the occult. :P The magic is clearly fiction, but the moral lessons are to stand up for good (which getting into the occult would be the opposite of) and Harry even has a Christlike moment. I think it’s another exploration of the same themes as Tolkien’s and Lewis’s. I do think it may not be consciously Christian in intent, so I get being cautious there, though. But God can send a Christian message through even secular authors. :)
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MemphisViking
Dec. 13, 2012 at 8:20pmI don’t believe anyone gets involved in the occult because they read Harry Potter any more than reading the Avengers makes people worship the Norse pantheon.
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SquidVetOhio
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:59pmLOTR and the Hobbit is the greatest fantasy series ever written. Of course, as you can tell by my icon, I’m biased.
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aproudinfidel
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:27pmGot Gandalf (my interpretation) tattooed on my arm more than twenty years ago.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:42pmWoah.
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flipper1073
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:49pmSQUIDVETOHIO
The Hobbit an the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
Is what Started my Love for Reading I Hated reading.
until then.
Now I Read at least 50/60 books a year Mostly History
an Political but I still Love Good Fiction an Fantasy.
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4XGrace
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:48pmI think all this talk of Christianity in literature is just an overblown case of the Virgin Mary appearing on a another piece of toast or in some ones moldy shower. Whatever “Christianity” Tolkien and Lewis have expressed in their works are not an expression of the Bible per se but an interpretation of what they have been taught by reading the Bible, books about the Bible and through priests, pastors, ministers and laymen concerned only with filling their bellies. You want Christianity? Go to the Bible. Popular literature will never give you the conviction and remorse for your sins that the Bible will.
What the article really speaks to is the pride of man. Many people that think of themselves as “Christian” will puff themselves up and think that this stuff is really grand and isn’t “Christianity” great. But what they don’t consider at all is what it means to be a Christian. They are simply religious (marginally or otherwise) and they have no relationship with God; they only work at salving their troubled consciences.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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kindling
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:00pmNo, it is the all time best story line just used over and over. We use to teach our children that same message over and over. I like it when it is subtle and shows the truth from a new perspective. Some story tellers do a great job like C.S.Lewis did. I can see it in the Hobbit, but the story is so dark it was hard for me to read as a child.
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SquidVetOhio
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:05pmWhile I agree with you in principle that literature should never replace the Bible in finding God’s Truth and law, you can’t deny that a story invented by someone with a Christian world-view will likely reflect a Christian world-view.
Chinese Kung-Fu movies (which I love) largely reflect a Buddhist world – view. (And awesome fight scenes)
Look at the books written by atheists. Most of them have the main point of there being no God. (Traveler’s guide to the Galaxy, Contact, etc….)
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Caleb-Texas
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:51pmDear 4XGRACE:
My friend I respectfully disagree. St. Paul clearly says in 1 Thess 5:19-22 to test everything and retain what is good. There is a very moving redemptive quality in human endeavors such as art, literature and science when they orient themselves toward what is good, true and beautiful, because they are intrinsically orienting themselves towards God, which is perfect good, perfect beauty and perfect truth.
Your attitude reminds me of a comment that GK Chesterton made concerning heretics…an heretic is not someone who love truth so much because no one can love truth too much but rather someone who love his truth too much. It is true that the bible is the word of God and it is an indispensable instrument for our salvation but not to the exclusion of everything else…to do so is akin to hide the living body of Christ his church. May I ask you what is the pillar and foundation of truth? Is is the bible? Certainly. However St. Paul writes in 1 Timothy 3:15:
“…know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.”
According to St. Paul it is the Church. Otherwise how can you trust which books belong to the bible and which don’t? How do you know that the Book of Revelation is inspired and the Gospel according to Thomas is not, if it wasn’t for the testimony of the Church that Christ founded?
Just food for thoughts :-)
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bonesiii
Dec. 13, 2012 at 3:52pmYou’re the second commenter here to use the “like seeing Jesus in toast” line. Where on earth is that coming from? I get that you guys love your talking points and you march the beat of your manipulators’ drums, but how did they get this one out to you so fast lol?
Anywho, it obviously makes no sense. Claiming to see Jesus in toast is claiming a miracle. To claim an author who was a Christian put Christian themes and lessons into his writing is not remotely comparable (and obviously fully plausible, even confirmed in this case…).
And really, if the God who set the entire world in motion and knew the future perfectly intended for that “random” image of Jesus in a piece of toast to actually mean that, then after all why not? :P A miracle of the intervention sort is not even needed for that; that would actually be less impressive, as this is the “clockwork domino from foreknowledge” type of effect which only the One True God could do. Although it seems silly to most of us, maybe that’s arbitrary. But it’s a question we’ll have to wait till we meet Jesus to ask. =D
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AntonW
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:40pm““Here’s the deal. You can’t see that it’s Christian because you live in the Christian world where there is right and wrong and there is truth. I don’t know if you know any friends who don’t believe that there’s right or wrong and don’t believe there’s such a thing as truth. That’s the non-Christian world.” I mean, that’s the world without God.”
You’re wrong Mr. Brown. People who are critical thinkers and don’t believe in the supernatural because there is no proof to support it are also highly moral, decent people who know the difference between right and wrong. They love their families just as much as any religious person and share the same desire to live in a peaceful and safe society.
Is Brown claiming that Tolkien is purposely using these books to promote Christianity? If so, he’s on very thin ice. What is his motivation for disseminating his ideas about this?
If people want to make case that the Hobbit is about Christianity, they’re free to do so, but that doesn’t make it so. It’s merely their wish, their imagination and their desire. Since Tolkien never made the claim, it’s really not the business of anyone else to assign that motivation to him, especially since he’s no longer alive to address the issue. It’s a bit like baptising someone after they’re dead.
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krick
Dec. 12, 2012 at 2:51pmNice dig on Mormonism at the end of your post!!!
However, it’s obvious by the selection of your words that you have no understanding of the principle. My guess is that you were told by someone at some point in your life that “mormons baptize dead people” and for whatever reason you decided to believe them without looking in to it at all.
Either that or you know what you wrote was wrong and you purposefully wrote the sentence the way you did in order persuade someone else (i.e. the readers) of an untruth, or to demean a whole group of people (i.e. lds church members). I hope this isn’t the case. I hope you’re a better person than that.
If your reason for writing that sentence is the former I invite you to look up “baptism for the dead” on the lds.org website. You might just learn something.
If your reason is the latter I invite you to take a look at yourself in the mirror and commit to become that “decent” person you spoke of in your post.
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AntonW
Dec. 12, 2012 at 6:44pmKrick, my comment stands on its own. If you want to make it into some kind of an issue, that’s your problem. The point is, when one places the imprint of their beliefs over someone else’s life or work, they’re out of bounds.
Now, if you want to have a debate on the LDS belief system, I’m not interested in wasting my time on it. Find someone else.
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G.E.R
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:32pmThe Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings were NOT allegorical retellings of Christian stories. They are based on Finnish and Scandinavian mythologies.
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SquidVetOhio
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:41pmTolkien said himself that he did not purposefully base the story on Christianity. But, he said that authors write base upon their life experiences and world view and since he was a Christian, there’s no denying that his world-view helped to craft the stories and characters. So, if anything, the LOTR and the Hobbit showed the Tolkien had ingrained in him a strong Biblical world-view.
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DougHuffman
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:54pmThanks. Yes, Tolkien was educated in/with the classics of Western literature and at a Christian college in a Christian university. He could not have successfully denied his upbringing any more than j/k Rowling denied her post-modernism.
’69, S1W, SSN660, CNS STE, ’95
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G.E.R
Dec. 12, 2012 at 2:58pmIn the letter to Milton Waldman which J.R.R. Tolkien wrote in 1951, which later was published as the preface to the Silmarillon, the author stated…
“..I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of it’s own (bound up with it’s tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingrediant) in legends of other lands. There were the Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic Scandinavian and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerfull as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with the English; and it does not replace what I felt missing. For one thing it’s `faerie` is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherant and repetitive. For another and more important thing it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion.
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Walkabout
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:13pmG.E.R
“For another and more important thing it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion.”
FAIL!
On top of that I read his biography. He was a devoted Christian.
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G.E.R
Dec. 12, 2012 at 5:56pmYou are the one who failed. Because if you had read anything about Tolkien, you at he himself said there are no Christian themes, allegories, or overtones in these 2 works. So anything this guy claiming is just BS.
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kindling
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:11pmI see it a lot more in Harry Potter. It is all about the power of love over force.
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SendTheMeteors
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:31pmActually Gandalf is the more Christ-like figure in the book, dying and then being resurrected.
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DougHuffman
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:33pmHa! Now that is distorted vision to find any classicism in j/k Rowling. What pap!
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothings progressives.
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kindling
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:49pmDumbledore gave his life, he was not murdered but you don’t learn that until the end. Dumbledore also is saying love is the greated power and in the book it does win. I red both sets of books and Harry Potter’s message is better. The Hobbit is to dark for me.
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elrond3737
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:52pmUm, no. HP is pagan is it’s view of good and evil. No surprise since the author is a witch who cast spells on her manuscripts before publishing them. No joke, she does. She said so in an interview.
LOTRs was written by a deeply Christina man. His works have a strong Christian view of good and evil. Different religions deal have view good and evil differently. Sure his works are fantasy, sure his experience in WW1 colors them in shades of darkness and certainly his experience as a Professor makes it self felt. Oh, and yeas many of his stories are based off of Scandinavian, Germanic, Anglo myths . But in the end heroes are GOOD and villains are EVIL. There is little room for the ends justify the means. the the contrary those characters who follow that path die(Bormier) or become the evil which they fight (Sauraman). Also, his work is from his mind and Christ is at the heart of everything he did. So he says. But, I do concede that a non-believer sees this as foolishness, and so it is. I remain a fool in Christ non the less.
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DougHuffman
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:52pmNow I like that, “a fool in Christ.” I am righteous for my faith alone, a fool lost in faith. Lutheranism was born in battle for the message that we are saved by faith in the promise alone.
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AnotherWay
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:01pmIf I run into an uplifting or inspiring article on The Blaze– chances are Billy Hallowell will have written it ;)
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DougHuffman
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:59amHo ho ho. God Jul. Amazingly Christian themes in J. R. R. Tolkien was an extended topic at dinner last night with paleoanthropologist professors.
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WillG
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:58amI just so happen to be in the Print Industry and have the Distinct Honor of crafting the C.S. Lewis Institute Quarterly Magazine “Knowing and Doing”. I enjoy producing the Magazine and the uplifting articles contained in the what I consider to be a Work of Art and take Great Pride in my Work. The reason I chose my profession is the inspiration and admiration of my Favorite American,Ben Franklin.
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encinom
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:55amIn the end the books the Hobbit and LOTR is about the importance and power of empathy and mercy. It is only through these virtures that good wins. Bilbo shows mercy and does not kill gollum, same with Frodo who empathizes with gollum and stays his hand, when he would be in his right to kill. Because of this gollum lives to do the one thing Frodo can’t do destroy the ring.
It was not the might of the swords and kings that won the day, but the mercy and empathy shown by simple folks, of farmers living peace filled, communal lives in the shire.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:05pmEncinom, you finally sound like your heart grew 3 sizes bigger, or that you were visited by three Christmas ghosts last night.
If you’re willing to post like this from now on, I welcome you as a friend.
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HI_Don
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:25pmOh my gosh. Encinom actually wrote something I agree with. 12/12/12 just might be the end of all time.
I have to say Encinom, “I agree.”
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SquidVetOhio
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:47pmDon’t get too excited. ENCINOM mangaged to throw in the obligatory solute to Socialism.
“communal lives in the shire.”
Actually, I believe the major Christian theme is the Ring itself. The ring is a symbol for sin/temptation. Sauron is a type of Satan. Frodo/Bilbo typify a Christian whose humility and meekness is the power by which they can withstand the ring’s evil (though it wasn’t easy). Gandalf is a type of Jesus, especially riding in on the white horse Shadowfax at Helm’s Deep. You can see similarities in Christ and Aragorn too.
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Silvertruth
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:50pmYes, and many other themes are intertwined. The movies don’t even include Tom Bombadil because it would be so difficult to render the depths of what he represents. He’s often portrayed as a silly crackpot but is nothing of the sort.
To see Christianity in The Hobbit and LOTR is harder than it is in Tolkein’s ‘extended notes’, namely the Silmarillion and other associated story works. When dealing with the creation of Middle Earth, he pulls no punches about relating to God, Powerful Angels, Fallen Angels and the creations of each. It’s part of what makes the Silmarillion a turn off to many Tolkein fans, as it whacks them over the head with a parallel Judeo-Christian creation story, and many of the following story’s are almost Biblical parallels.
Tolkein was wise to bury his themes deeper in his Magnum Opus works, he avoided all the controversy that has sourrounded Lewis’s LWW series.
And to Encinom, when we look to find common cultural ground, rather than tear down others, we actually do find it. I have a few posts I’d like back because they were negative in nature and they never work out well for me in getting my point across. Good post.
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kindling
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:57pmOkay….who took the real Encinom….just don’t bring them back please.
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Walkabout
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:02pmSquidVetOhio
Don’t get too excited. ENCINOM mangaged to throw in the obligatory solute to Socialism.
“communal lives in the shire
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Bilbo lives in a privately owned house/domicile. He is also rich.
So I don’t know where communal comes into play. Certainly we see no poverty in the Shire, but some people are clearly much richer than others.
Sorry Encinom
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TEARS FOR AMERICA
Dec. 12, 2012 at 3:45pmThe most wonderful part of the Shire is that they cared about one another naturally but were not FORCED to do it by their local principality. How original!
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Cosmo 1976
Dec. 13, 2012 at 9:15amnot commy
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smokeysmoke
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:49amand the LOTRs were written during WW2
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termyt
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:46amEven before I knew, there was a warm, familiar feeling to Middle Earth. Much different from other fantasy worlds, such as Star Wars, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In Middle Earth, you can feel the same “right” and “wrong” we feel in our world making a connection, and an understanding. It was easy to immerse myself because I understood motivations and the decisions they lead to which out having to try.
In Lucas’s world, good and evil are defined by balancing real good and real evil. If you balance the two, you are good. So, if you advocate for too much good, you throw the universe out of balance and are evil for it. We still see good and evil, in an Eastern/New Age sense, but there’s a disconnect there that makes his world feel hollow so we have to go farther to suspend disbelief.
For Whedon’s world, the world of an atheist, it was much harder for me. I enjoyed the stories of Buffy and Angel, but I had no idea how the universe there functioned. Good and Evil where completely abstract with no real lines dividing the two. Not being able to define the difference between the two made inserting myself in that world impossible.
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YouCantExplainThat
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:59pmBut it not that simple. In the end the ring corrupts Frodo. His goodness did not prevail over evil. In fact he was changed, is he still good? or is he evil?
Vader gave up his mantel, killed the emperor and saved his son. Was this an act of evil? If evil people can only commit evil acts how is this possible?
You are 100% right about Buffy. But I’m surprised you cannot relate, because of this is how the real world works. Every person is capable of good and evil, and one act does not wash out the other. We live in a incredible complex world were there is no black and white and all of these stories reflect that back to us. That is why they are so good.
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Silvertruth
Dec. 12, 2012 at 5:21pmI’m not so sure I agree with the lack of polarity. Some issues appear very complex but with logic you can usually boil them down a core series of concepts and decisions that go with them. “Black and White” is a poor rendition of the concept of analytical thought, so is “Shades of Gray”. The world is neither and it’s all about perception.
If you percieve the world as complex and ‘grayish’, that’s what it will be to you. If you percieve the world as ‘simple black and white’ you can make it that way. Both only grab shadows of the truth because truth is actually pretty elusive if you close your mind down to an ideological path that you choose to walk.
It’s almost impossible for real truth to reach us due to our perceptions of the world. Tolkien was very adept at presenting that concept to us, we all see different things in different characters.
Did Frodo give in to evil or did Sauron’s evil soul just overwhelm him? You could argue that it wasn’t Frodo at all in the end, just another slave to a ring (like the Ringwraiths). How about Gollum? Wasn’t he too a victim of that same evil soul?
There is so much in the stories and so much in our world that we all miss, perhaps if we gave each other more grace and forgiveness, no matter how diverse our opinions, we might gather even more truth to widen our perceptions.
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termyt
Dec. 13, 2012 at 12:05pmI was speaking about the nature of good and evil in their universes, not the capacity for good and evil in the characters. Frodo and Vader were both, well not to put too fine a point on it, human. They both have the capacity for good and evil, both can fall into temptation. That makes them interesting and like us. Character who are strictly one or the other are significantly less interesting.
It’s the definition of good and evil that I was speaking of.
LotR
Good and evil are the same as they are here, as we understand them. Good is standing for what’s right, regardless of the consequences (and Frodo had major negative consquences he didn’t “deserve”). It’s treating as you wish to be treated. It’s fighting to put an end to evil. Evil is self-serving, dominating, enslaving, crushing those who are in your way and annihilating those who oppose you.
SW
Good is balance. Anyone who would conquer (literally or metaphorically) is evil – even if they are destroying evil. It’s the idea that good can’t exist without evil – if evil is even diminished, then good is diminished, too. It’s like saying light can’t exist without darkness. My problem with the Lucasverse is It’s backwards. Light is the real thing that exists. Dark is the absence of light. No place can not be penetrated by light, but darkness is bound to the shadows. So it is with Good and Evil. Good exists, evil is the absence of good.
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SREGN
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:45amEverything either glorifies God or rebels againtst him. the unrepentant rebels will receive the punishment they deserve which also glorifies God. I find rebellion, repentence, salvation themes comining through in many books, even those whose authors are unrepentant rebels like Stephen King. God shines through all, whether you want him to or not.
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Caleb-Texas
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:39amIts incredible how modernist have separated art from God…true art as it is with science seek beauty and truth and since God is perfect beauty and perfect true it follows that art in its essence is a way to seek God. Tolkien in his fantasy world is precisely seeking the beauty in the majesty of the world he created and truth when his characters confront evil…
Tolkien (along with GK Chesterton writings) played an important role in CS Lewis conversion to Christianity. According to Louis Markos, who with Peter Kreeft wrote: On the Shoulders of Hobbits: The Road to Virtue with Tolkien and Lewis, CS Lewis was instrumental in edging Tolkien to publish the Lord of the Rings too bad that Tolkien wasn’t a big fan of the Narnia books!
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louise
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:20pmOh My Goodness!
Caleb, are you my brother in the Lord? I think the answer to that is yes…!
For you and anyone…….Research”The Inkings”….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May God bless and Merry Christmas
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Caleb-Texas
Dec. 12, 2012 at 1:35pmLouise,
Yes I am your brother in Christ. Thanks you for your kind words!
Have a wonderful Christmas full of blessings and center one the one who gave his life for us!
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louise
Dec. 12, 2012 at 7:03pmcorrection: “Inklings”
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Walkabout
Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:38amChristian themes are in “The Hobbit” & the LOTR trilogy under the radar. Those poor, poor liberals will never know what hit them.
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GhostOfJefferson
Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:55pmAye, they clearly are.
What’s fun is when people discover what The Ring symbolizes. It takes a while, for some, and it shocks the modern statist to the core to think that such a story as LOTR and The Hobbit are so popular with the common man, once he discovers this symbolism.
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Walkabout
Dec. 12, 2012 at 2:39pmGhostOfJefferson
To be truthful until I read a book discussing Tolkein & Christian themes 5 years ago, I simply took it as a semi medieval story of good versus evil.
I have read a biography of Tolkein & he was a committed Christian as was C.S. Lewis.
Annatar, Lord of Gifts, does strike me as your typical Santa Claus Democrat handing out gifts for a price, Power for himself.
Sure the Ring Wraiths were powerful kings of old & are now more powerful, but in accepting Sauron’s gift they became enslaved like every Democrat constituency.
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