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Dec. 12, 2012 1:04pm Billy Hallowell

Substitute Teacher Walter Tutka May Be Banned for Handing Bible to Student

Walter Tutka (center) sits at a recent school board hearing (Photo Credit: WFMZ-TV)

Walter Tutka, a substitute teacher in Phillipsburg, New Jersey, faces an uncertain future, as officials weigh removing him from the classroom — at least temporarily — following an incident in which he gave a Bible to a student.

Tutka apparently quoted from the Bible to a student earlier in the school year who was last in line before leaving the classroom. He said, “So the last will be first, and the first will be last” (found in Matthew 20:16). Curious, the student asked numerous times where the statement originated. After being approached numerous times, the substitute teacher showed the pupil, using his personal copy of the New Testament; he then gave the book to the student as a “gift.”

Tutka, facing intense scrutiny, could face severe ramifications, including suspension for one year, over the incident (although the district is purportedly only recommending a three-month leave). While the decision to potentially remove him as a substitute was originally on the Nov. 19 agenda, it has not yet been resolved.

The Phillipsburg School Board will need to hold a vote, however the next meeting will not occur until Jan. 7. The Express-Times adds:

Walter Tutka, of Belvidere, received a letter — obtained by The Express-Times — from Phillipsburg Superintendent George Chando last week recommending a 90-day suspension for allegedly giving a student his personal copy of the New Testament during lunch on Oct. 12 at the middle school. The suspension would be effective Oct. 15 2012 until Jan 15, 2013, according to the letter.

The letter states Tutka broke two district polices. One prohibits staff from distributing religious literature on school grounds. The other states if religious material is discussed that staff “be neutral in their approach and avoid using them to advance or inhibit religion in any way.”

WFMZ-TV has more:

On Monday night, the district’s December meeting was held, however the topic was not on the agenda. Still, a number of people in the community spoke out in support of Tutka, claiming that he was merely answering a student’s question and that he should not be held liable for a church-state separatism infraction.

A statement that was read in support of the teacher noted that the school district’s own libraries carry more than 100 books about religion, including Christian-themed literary works. District officials are remaining tight-lipped, though, regarding if and when Tutka’s case will be before the board for a vote.

“He was about as neutral as the district giving a young Muslim student in the high school the ability to change his schedule so he can come to school on a Friday, stay until noon so he is not marked as missing the day…and then being released so his parents can drive the hour and a half it takes them to reach their mosque so they can fulfill their Friday worship obligations,” one of the speakers, Wayne Duryea, said in a statement.

Despite the challenges ahead, the substitute teacher is remaining positive. He has, for the time being, been removed from the system that the district uses for substitute teachers.

“I think it’s going to turn out to be on the positive end,” Tutka said. “After all, it is Christmas.”

(H/T: WFMZ-TV)

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YouCantExplainThat
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:45pm
There are no gods. Get over it!

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- COFemale
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:23pm
  Prove it.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:23pm
  You are right there is only ONE God. There are no other gods.
  
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- vaman
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:08pm
  Well Cofe, maybe you should provide proof of your belief system first. That will be a good starting point. Proof is not conjecture or statements without any semblance of even a working theory. Arguments such as, “the bible says so” or “because I just know” or “what else could have made this world?” are not expectable. I think you’ll find the fables you have believed all of your life don’t actually help your side of the debate, but actually hurt it.
  
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- KevINtampa
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:13pm
  You are right, there are no gods, just God.
  
  And to all of the atheists that support the book banning here I have a question, if there is no God, and there is no Jesus, and there is no Virgin Mary, why the need to censor a fictional book?
  
  I mean, that’s your world view right? That the Bible is a fictional piece of work? So do you also want to ban books like The Hobbit, Storming Heaven, Dreamland, or The Wizard of Oz? I mean if God doesn’t exist then there there is absolutely no difference between the Bible and other fictional books. Where’s the line drawn that decides what’s “religious”, if there is no God then everything is fiction. Why fire people, or agree with people being fired, for handing out a book of fiction? If not God, then what is it that atheists and secularists are afraid of that drives them to censor fictional books?
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:17pm
  @KEVINTAMPA
  
  Interesting slant…
  
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- antitheism
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:27pm
  @Kevin
  
  You are talking in generalities and ignoring the fact that the bible is an extremely inappropriate book to hand over to children, especially so in a school setting. The bible contains content such as:
  
  There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. Ezekiel 23 20
  
  The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. Hosea 13 16
  
  23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2 23 24
  
  I know you will be tempted to defend this content by stating that they are out of context, but would you also allow your child to view nudity regardless of the context?
  
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- Ayla_me
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:45pm
  Oh for crying out loud! The teacher told the student (most likely as an encouragement) that “The first shall be last,a nd the last shall be first.” The student was curious enough to want to know where the quote came from. (This is good.) If it were from Shakespear and he was handed the “Works of..” would there have been any grievance? No. If it were a line from a classic such as “Gone With the Wind” and he were handed that book?? No. Or what of a line from “Lord of the Rings” or one of the Harry Potter books, even? Of course not. The Holy Bible is THE most “Classic” of ALL forms of literature in the world. Why are we not being more diligent in exposing our kids to it? And as for the idiot who quoted those “age-inappropriate” verses, unfortunately, we have allowed such works as “Valley of Horses” by Jean Auel to be available to middle schoolers…children aged 9-13! Do not speak of that which you do not understand!
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 10:47pm
  @ANTITHEISM
  
  That is quite disingenuous,.
  
  You know full well that the ‘sexual’ content is not the reason for the controversy.
  
  I have respect for ‘A’theists, but I have no respect for ‘ANTI’ theists.
  
  It’s one thing to not believe in God, it is entirely a different thing to fight against a belief in God.
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 4:31am
  Hey Anti
  He handed the student a NEW testamant. Duh!
  
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- escape_from_socialism
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:07am
  The letter states Tutka broke two district polices. One prohibits staff from distributing religious literature on school grounds. The other states if religious material is discussed that staff “be neutral in their approach and avoid using them to advance or inhibit religion in any way.”
  
  So why they spread religion of global warming/cooling?
  
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- ryanalicia
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:27am
  what are you afraid of? who are you trying to convince? yourelf?are you so imoral your afraid of the after life consequences?
  
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The-Monk
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:39pm
I have a friend (an atheist) who was a teacher and a student gave him a Bible.

Should the student be expelled or punished?

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- AndYetItMoves
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:44pm
  In the reasonable world this is what we call a non sequitur.
  
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mapgirl10
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:29pm
But if he strapped a bomb to his chest he would be home free!

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jessieH
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:21pm
I see NJ is on it’s way down the debotchery trail.

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- AndYetItMoves
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 8:49pm
  Looks like someone had a debaucherous time in high school.
  
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Locked
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:19pm
The school board is in the wrong. End of story. People who are ignorant about what the separation of church and state means and entails and who go overboard are just as bad as those who claim it doesn’t exist.

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- soisay
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 11:02pm
  As an ex-teacher, the board was correct. We would all be out of whack (starting with the parents) if it was a Koran, Torah, or somesuch (if given in religious insight). What is he handed out a pro-Obama brouchure, or Pro-Romney? A Pro-Life bumper sticker, or Pro-Choice? What about sex education material or a condom? The substitute teacher was out of line. When the kid got home, there is a BIG likelihood the parents would go crazy, by either being opposed to the message or not wanting the school involved in their kids socializing. Reading teachers teach reading, math teachers teach math, and phys-ed teachers teach phys-ed.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 7:11am
  The child asked a question; the teacher handed out additional information. There was no preaching, no attempt to convert. The student wasn’t forced, or even offered, anything without asking more. This was about an inoffensive as possible.
  
  No way, the school board was wrong here. I’d be curious to see how this all came to light; do you think the student set up the teacher, and then ran to his parents and go them in a huff?
  
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- TeresaJ
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:34am
  @Soisay
  
  They already do hand out sexual material and condoms, expressedly against parental wishes. Are you really going to compare handing out a Bible to that? As for the others, I wouldn’t care. I’m not shielding my children from the fact there are other people who worship other ways. But for the umteenth time, it’s not the religious that we see raising a stink, it’s certain groups of atheists. We are tired of the nastiness.
  
  Schools have to have a standard, and quite frankly, its more and more not reaching any semblence of decency. No responsible or respectable parent would think they could raise a responsible or respectable child in that system. That child did not even know where that very common quote is from? Do you know how sad that is? In THIS country? No Book is more important to our heritage than the Bible, whether you believe in it or not. How is it that we have no choice as parents to subjects such as sex and homosexuality, but even the mere mention of a Bible is threatening to cause a teacher to lose his job? Do you have any idea how backwards that sounds?
  
  Our Constitution never guaranteed we would not have to “hear” of religion, it only guarantees its free practice. It is, in fact completely the opposite of what the Constitution and Founding Fathers intended.
  
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- TeresaJ
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:39am
  “The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” -Benjamin Rush (Signer of the Declaration of Independence)
  
  “The most perfect maxims and examples for regulating your social conduct and domestic economy, as well as the best rules of morality and religion, are to be found in the Bible. . . . The moral principles and precepts found in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. These principles and precepts have truth, immutable truth, for their foundation. . . . All the evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible. . . . For instruction then in social, religious and civil duties resort to the scriptures for the best precepts.” -Noah Webster
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:52am
  Hmmm, reading into it more…
  
  “The letter states Tutka broke two district polices. One prohibits staff from distributing religious literature on school grounds.”
  
  The other articles also mention that the Bible is available in district libraries. I guess the teacher did overstep his boundaries by breaking district policy. He should have said “Go to the library and you can read the Bible.” Oops! Sorry I had the wrong of it.
  
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BruceHenry
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:05pm
Clear violation of the “establishment clause” whereby the states have the right and moral responsibility to promote religious belief without the interference from the federal government.

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- COFemale
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:34pm
  The school was not involved in the exchange. And quit perpetuating a lie. There is no such thing as Separation of Church and State.in the Constitution. The establishment clause is that the government will pass NO laws respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. It never says that people can’t exchange conversations about religion while at school.
  
  The man made a quote, the student inquired about the statement. The teacher remained quiet. The student later inquired and the teacher gave the student an answer. Thus the student escalated the inquiry. It does not matter that the teacher gave the student his Bible. The Student chose to take it.
  
  The school board is wrong in this instance.
  
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- vaman
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:19pm
  Cofe, so this “exercise NO laws respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF”… So if a teacher distributed the koran or preached about the devil being the only god, would that be acceptable? Of course not. The wink and nod on freedom of religion actually concerns christianity. You really don’t mean any other religion. Your group clearly wants no other religion to be discussed and wants bibles passed out to all kids in all public schools. Thankfully, that will never happen. Many things in this country are in the past, including slavery, Jim Crow, the subjugation of women, general christian bigotry and all of this started to happened when the bible was kept from public schools.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:04am
  @Vaman
  
  “So if a teacher distributed the koran or preached about the devil being the only god, would that be acceptable? Of course not.”
  
  But that wasn’t the case in this example. The student asked (several times, according to the article) for more information, so the teacher let the student borrow his personal bible.
  
  An equivalent would be like if a student was asking about Islam, and the teacher handed over a copy of the Qur’an and said “here you go, read it if you like.” I agree with the idea of a separation of church and state, but honestly this is about as separate as you can be. Going any further would be going into censorship of a subject (something I think no school should ever do). If a student wants to learn about religion, they should be able to read the Bible if they ask for it. It simply shouldn’t be brought up in class by a teacher or school official.
  
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Flag-Man
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:52pm
Should have given him a copy of how to sex book, no problem then

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- rickc34
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:02pm
  Schools can pas out condoms or take your daughter to have an abortion but they cannot hand out a Bible? What have we become.
  
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fox6366
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:26pm
I’ll bet that if the quote have come from the Koran they would not have said anything about it.

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- 50211bs
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:57pm
  On the contrary, if he would have read from the koran to him they would have praised him for being so tolerant and enlightened.
  
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- OutOfTheAether
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:01pm
  502
  
  Precisely. Had he given him a Koran, there would not have been ANY issues at all about it
  
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fox6366
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:13pm
Shame on you. What will you say when you stand before God and He ask you why you denied Him. He will say depart from Me, I never new you. You will be cast into eternal darkness and the flames of Hell.

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kickagrandma
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:07pm
GOD BLESS you, Mr. CHRISTIAN. May our GOD multiply your actions and your heart over and over and over again. May you feel HIS presence, love and protection all around you. In JESUS’ SWEET AND MIGHTY NAME, amen.

Thank you for standing up!

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Elisheva
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:07pm
Esinman or whoever you call yourself….Not Nice to Call People Names, You Heathern!

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CWPrequired
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:01pm
When A Nation Forgets God- it tells you how this crap will play out. Get the book people.

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momrules
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:52pm
This whole thing started when Mr. Tutka quoted a verse from the Bible. How long will it be before some genius on some schoolboard somewhere in America decides that quoting from the Bible in front of a student is a firable offense?

Why not? America is sliding into the toilet as God and Jesus Christ are steadily removed from the public.

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- repairsea
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:20pm
  We celebrate and love the one true God. That is why Christians and Jews are attacked. We do not worship false gods. We worship the one true God. This strengthens our faith as we are constantly shown God exists by the way they attack us for our beliefs and faith. They feel threatened by our Lord and Savior and are being used by satan.
  
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- wisconsinlcm
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:18pm
  Just remember Obama told us we are not a cristain nation and if he say so it must be true. the left has been trying to push faith out of america years.
  
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DamoclesAurelius
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:49pm
Let me get this straight: teachers can molest and abuse and bully children, without any loss in job, pay, or pension, but give them a BIBLE and you’re fired?

Any way we can sucker the Teacher’s Unions into distributing Bibles so they finally get canned?

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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:10pm
  Fired…?! HA…!!
  
  Teachers (and I use that word loosely) sit in the “Rubber Room’ everyday…still earning pay for doing NOTHING…and even if they were fired…they still walk away with ALL of their pay/benefits…
  
  Total BS…
  
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- HI_Don
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:20pm
  Yes, odd that we don’t hear about the union defending this guy? Where is his union lawyer? Why are they not fighting for him as they do the teacher who fails to teach, attacks a student (verbally or physically), or delivers the Left’s religious propaganda of “we love Obama” – “Global Warming” – “Bush lied people died” banter.
  
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athiest-infedel
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:49pm
god has also abandoned more than half the world, all the starving people, the murdered, the raped, but wait, he endorsed all of those things in his book.

Looks like God has abandoned the NY metropolitan area. No wonder, they have abandoned him.

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- BasketFullOfPuppies
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:58pm
  You speak opinion as fact. Did He abandon you, or did you abandon Him? You are the only one for whom you can speak. The rest of us have our own voices.
  
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- Pete
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:01pm
  We are the ones who turned from God. God has not abandoned the world. On the contrary, he died to save the world. You point out a bunch of bad stuff as evidence that God has turned away. But the bad stuff you point out is evidence of the seriousness of sin and rebellion against God and the need for redemption, which is exactly what the Bible describes. There is a need and God meets the need through Jesus Christ. That is the message of the Bible.
  
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yanki161
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:44pm
It’s a BOOK! A teacher handed a student a BOOK! OMG! Call the Thought Police! Different books are filled with different ideas. If we can’t have books in our schools, filled with all different kinds of ideas, let’s just shut the schools down. Or should we go through each and every one and decide which is too dangerous to let students see?

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- BasketFullOfPuppies
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:00pm
  I agree that it’s an unlevel playing field. After all, I would bet that “Das Kapital” is available in that library.
  
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ares338
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:36pm
Now it would be different if he had given him a copy of “The Communist Manifesto”.

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- libertygirl912
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:54pm
  @Ares338…Yep. He’d be given full tenure.
  
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mermaid7
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:32pm
It is baffling that a school district is suspending a teacher for handing a student a Bible. Have we entered the ‘Twilight Zone’? I didn’t know that was equivelant to ‘congress shall make no law establishing a religion.’ The left has totally and deceitfully twisted the meaning of Jefferson’s letter to the Danburry Baptists on what exactly the ‘wall of separation’ is.

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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:11pm
  Its simple really. you go to school to learn. you go to church to get bibles. Everyone has the option of going to a private school where this is accepted. it is not however in public school.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:52pm
  You need to get the quote right, otherwise you change the meaning.
  
  “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech…”
  
  This means Congress can not stop others from establishing a religion. It has nothing to do with government prevented from creating a state religion. Everyone keeps misinterpreting the 1st Amendment.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:32pm
  @KEATONC33 That made no sense. What do you mean? When I go to church, I go to learn. I take my Bible to Church, they don’t give me one. Taking a Bible to public school is not prohibited. Schools are here to teach history. How can a student not know about Gutenberg and the first book ever? Should we censor that? How can a student not know about King James and the great masterpiece of literature introduced to the English world? Should we hide history?
  
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SREGN
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:30pm
9/11, financial meltdown, Sandy. Looks like God has abandoned the NY metropolitan area. No wonder, they have abandoned him.

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- CanadaRocks
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:38pm
  If this had happened in new york you may have a point.
  
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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:13pm
  I live close to Joplin missouri. small farming town. and they have felt the effects of the financial meltdown and had a terrible tornado destroy most of the city a few years back. also suffered a record drought this year. why did God abandon them?
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:46pm
  ‘why did God abandon them?’…
  
  It couldn’t possibly be that man has abandoned GOD…
  
  Apparently you are still blind to the truth…
  
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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:02pm
  so God is punishing all of man kind?
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:01pm
  ‘so God is punishing all of man kind?’…
  
  In no way do I feel punished by God, he is simply bringing His words to fruition. I can’t speak for all of mankind, but I see many, on a daily basis, who honor God and His blessings in their lives.
  
  If you feel punished/abandoned by God, perhaps you should reflect on why you feel that way.
  
  Galatians 6:7 ‘Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.’
  
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banjarmon
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:27pm
Christians of AMERICA We out number the atheist and the Government works for US!!! It is time we let them KNOW and Stand up for OUR Rights!!!

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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:40pm
  The government does not work for Christains nor does the governmet work for Atheists, it works for Americans. Its a secular nation, neutral on the issue of religion. Your problem is that you believe its your right for the government to pimp your religion on the tax payer’s dime.
  
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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:12pm
  Once churches start paying taxes ill start listening to you.
  
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- termyt
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:24pm
  Secular, yes. But secular is not atheist.
  
  If a teacher forces his students to listen to religious lectures, yes that’s bad. I’ll stand with you to oppose that.
  
  If a teacher cannot even invoke the name of the creator he worships, then you are forcing atheism. Forcing a viewpoint, be it muslim, christian, or atheist, is NOT secular. I don’t see any difference at all between forcing a kid to listen to a sermon and forcing a student to remove the word “God” from her essay. I also don’t see how you can say you support the First Amendment and have a policy against mentioning anything religious.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:57pm
  ENCINOM, The government should be more or less “Of the people, and for the people.” There really should be no divisions regarding one’s race, religion, or creed.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:19pm
  ENICNOM we are not a secular nation. That is a myth. You atheist love myths, so you should love that one.
  
  When over 70% of people recognize and practice a religion, there is no way we are secular. That is just your wet dream.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:36pm
  We definitely are not a secular people. Our history proves we’re a most religious people. The word “nation” also includes the people, and not just their Government. So Encinom is wrong. We may have a secular Government, but we don’t live in a secular nation.
  
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semby
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:25pm
The Lord will bless him.
Who can be against you if the Lord is for you, no one!

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Doctor Bulldog
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:19pm
Uhm, I wouldn’t be so positive about this, Tutka. After all, it’s Christmas and you know how Godless ******** like to make an example of Christians during Christmas…

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encinom
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:18pm
Okay, Beckerheads, prepare to have your minds blown…I see no harm in what the teacher did. He did not preach, the school board in this instance is over reacting.

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- The Third Archon
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:32pm
  Yes, but do you think the Beckerheads would feel the same way if a teacher distributed copies of the Quran or Hitchens’ “God is Not Great”?
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:34pm
  ENCINOM, I am impressed. You often, but not on all occasions rush to berate anything whatsoever to do with religion or religious artifacts. I do have to admit that I have agreed with you on a number of occasions and have even responded in the past. Its a sign of the times that many of us should maintain a cooler in regards to these situations.
  As for that, I still cannot see how so many of these people, demand that a person of religion, and any religion has to curb his or her religion when setting foot onto government owned property.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:48pm
  @RJJinGadsden for me its not that he approached the student with bible, but responded to the students question regarding a phrase, that in and of itself is not overtly religious. If the teacher was handing out bibles to all students or without context putting religious posters in the classroom, I would object. To this simple interaction, there is no constitutional crisis and common sense should prevail.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:49pm
  The Third Archon
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:32pm
  Yes, but do you think the Beckerheads would feel the same way if a teacher distributed copies of the Quran or Hitchens’ “God is Not Great”?
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  The Beckerheads would be grabbing their torches and pitchforks if it was a Koran instead of the Bible.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:06pm
  What do you know. Even a stopped clock is right once in a while!
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:41pm
  ALRIGHT !!!!!
  
  Encinom is back on its meds……. : )
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 4:10pm
  @ENICNOM
  
  I agreed with you on Dec 7th, also. That makes 2 times in one week.
  
  I am sensitive to others religious, or non-religious views, so I tend to err on the side of caution, but I see nothing wrong in this instance.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:39pm
  LOL. You may agree with the sub this time, but its liberal baboons like you, with your lies and hypocrisy, who have caused this ridiculous incident to even be possible.
  
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:17pm
How dare this Sub Teacher do such a thing !! I’m totally disgusted. If he can’t do something normal like showing Porn or having sex with his Students, he should be fired………….( said with utmost sarcasm ).

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dynaflow1
Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:15pm
It’s a sad world we live in. God will have a payback one of these days!!!!!! od Bless America!!!!!

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- Slammo
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:23pm
  Would you have said the same thing if the teacher handed out a koran?
  
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- mermaid7
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Slammo – The student easily could have graciously turned it down. Why is that so hard to understand? The problem is that liberals have twisted the meaning of a statement that’s not even in the Constitution and act as though it’s gospel.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:37pm
  He would not have been punished if he had handed out a koran. Once Christianity is gone, and the jews subjugated, they will then come after the muslims. Until then, the muslims are useful tools for the state.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 1:38pm
  Slammo — if the kid asked a question abt a quote fm the koran, sure, why not? When the kid reads the differences betw the koran and the NT, he will know which is true.
  
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- Slammo
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:13pm
  Ok, good I hope so. I also feel that this kid and teacher were having a conversation and it was between them. This guy wasn’t just handing out random bibles to kids.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 2:37pm
  ‘Would you have said the same thing if the teacher handed out a koran?’…
  
  For me personally, I have never had an issue with a person’s religious beliefs, nor have I ever tried to sway someone’s convictions, even if my beliefs were different…BUT…no one should standby while they are threatened with death for their beliefs (koran)…Christ is about LOVE, not death (koran)…Why is it the muslims (and their cohorts…leftist, atheists, liberals etc.) vow to cleanse the world of all Jews and Christians…?! Why is Christianity under attack in the U.S. and the world (murdered) in general…?! Why are atheists suing anyone who dare to speak God’s name, or for simply having a Bible in one’s possession…?! Why is Israel being shunned by the whole world as aggressors…?! (U.S. too) It is true that many Jews deny Jesus as their Messiah (prophecy that hasn’t yet come to pass) but that day is coming…soon. It has ALL been foretold…in the Bible, and it IS happening right before YOUR (blind) eyes.
  
  Answer this question…WHY should this teacher be ‘removed’ from the classroom for gifting a Bible to a student…?!
  
  I quote…’Curious, the student asked numerous times where the statement originated. After being approached numerous times, the substitute teacher showed the pupil, using his personal copy of the New Testament, he then gave the book to the student as a “gift”.
  
  The student approached the teacher, and (obviously) accepted the teacher’s gift (Bible)
  
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- Slammo
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 3:36pm
  @THEGRTDCPTN, I’m sorry that you are so misinformed.I am a conservitive and I am an athiest.To lump lefties and liberals(these are the same things by the way) and muslims and athiest all together shows that you don’t have much knowlege about the subject. Please show me one time an athiest has tried to tell someone they cannot own a bible or speak your gods name. Just one.
  
  Don’t forget, all these loving religions have a very dark past, You have all killed in the name of your god. The only difference is that all but one has grown out of the dark ages, Islam. I and almost all athiests respect your right to worship.I actually served in the Army to defend your right to do so.So please educate yourself.
  
  I did answer the question in the above post.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on December 12, 2012 at 5:49pm
  ‘You have all killed in the name of your god.’
  
  And atheists have killed millions throughout history…but don’t let that fact get in your way…
  
  http://thriceholy.net/killersf.html
  
  As for the rest, I have nothing to prove to you…it is a waste of my time…But I will say, when a SIX year old girl is told she must remove GOD from her poem, there IS a problem…
  
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- Slammo
  Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:59am
  I don’t let any facts get in my way, but you are the one trying to make your religion loving and peaceful. History shows it different.Maybe it is now, but many have died in the name of your christian god.
  
  As for the rest,you can’t prove it to me because it’s not true. Athiests have never said you shouldn’t own a bible or go to church or anything along those lines. If you would take the time to talk to an athiest instead of making things up in your mind, you would find out that we fully support your right to practice your religion. We just don’t want it shoved down our throats and our childrens throats.
  
  I already said I don’t think it’s right for this teacher to lose his job. However if it was my child, I would talk to the teacher and ask him not to quote the bible while he is supposed to be teaching. It’s not the fact that he gave the kid a bible, he shouldn’t have been quoting the bible in the first place.
  
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