Bill O’Reilly & Karl Rove Agree: GOP in ‘Disarray’ & Wouldn’t Win if 2016 Presidential Election Were Held Today
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On Wednesday night, political strategist Karl Rove appeared on Fox News, speaking with host Bill O’Reilly about the future of the Republican Party and its 2016 presidential prospects. Interestingly, both O’Reilly and Rove seemed to agree that, if the next election were held today, the GOP would not be victorious.
Rove, who came under fire for his highly-contentious election-night analysis, though, cautioned that the next campaign is still far off and that only time will tell who the candidates will be and how they will fare.
During the discussion, O’Reilly seemed to agree with former House Speaker and presidential candidate Newt Gingrich’s assessment of the Republican Party, noting that the GOP is in “disarray” and that it “can’t compete with the organized Democratic machine.”
As for the reasons why so many Americans purportedly oppose President Barack Obama when it comes to the need for spending cuts, the host asked Rove how this dynamic is possible, especially considering that voters, once again, elected the president.
“People are capable of keeping contradictory opinions in their minds at the same time,” Rove answered. “They can say, ‘I’m voting for President Obama even though he doesn’t necessarily agree with my answer to the fiscal cliff.’”
Watch the discussion, below:
(H/T: Mediaite)
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:03amThe fraud electioneers are laughing their azzas off. If the outcome was not rigged the conversation would be exactly the opposite. Fact. A few critical corridors flipping votes FROM Romney TO obama and they get all this with it. It was electronic fraud that turned a landslide election into a sham. Now they argue the results of the sham under false pretenses. Obama got fewer than 85% of his 20008 turnout. You cannot overcome that without “REDISTRIBUTING THE VOTE” That’s what happened. Nothing else.
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barber2
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:22amWould not surprise me given the Anonymous / Hidden school records crowd of the Chicago radicals who now control the Democrat Party. These guys aren’t known for their ” honesty.”
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:26amYup, the THROUGH-THE-ROOF REPUBLICAN 2012 election fraud reelected Obama. The leftist republican party CHEAT-nominated leftist Romney, to throw the fight for leftist Obama. Same SCAM they successfully ran in 08, by CHEAT-nominating leftist McCain. And now (as predicted) PRETEND… like they couldn’t elect their way out of a paper bag. IT’S A SCAM!!!!!!! The leftist republican party IS PARTNERED WITH THE LEFTIST DEMOCRAT PARTY!
The Constitution Party.
The Libertarian Party.
State nullification.
NOW!!!!!!
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barber2
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:16amOH< BROTHER: Nothing makes more sense than for conservatives to rip one another apart ! That sure worked well —- for the Democrats. DUH.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:47amOooopsy… no, actually the leftist republican party SPLIT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE, by CHEAT-nominating another HATED progressive in 2012. Worked as well FOR THE DEMOCRATS, as it did in 2008, when they pulled the SAME SCAM with progressive McCain.
Republicans elected progressive Obama, by CHEAT-nominating progressive McCain… and
republicans reelected progressive Obama, by CHEAT-nominating progressive Romney.
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wowjustwow
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 4:28pmGet out of the fantasy paranoia. He won because either people really liked Obama or really disliked Romney…it’s only people on this site who imagine this stuff. This is not widespread belief…c’mon guys, do you really think you’re smarter than everyone else?? I’ve read your posts!!
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Secret Squirrel
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:24amRove is back on Fox?
Crap, I thought he was (correctly) banned.
Rove is a RINO who likes being on the A-List party invites.
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nc_kayaker
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:48amJohn McCain’s solution to every revolt: “Sell the rebels arms”
Get these diaper wearing seniors outta Washington!!
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:40amYup. They “lead” same as Obama – killing brown people overseas and incarcerating black people here at home.
McCain, Obama, republican, democrat… same thing.
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barber2
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:45amBottom line : Unify or die conservatives. Democrat Party’s goal : divide the conservatives . Destroy the Republican Party.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:34amYup, I agree. I BEGGED… LITERALLY BEGGED for unity under CONSERVATIVE Ron Paul… but I failed. The leftist republican party CHEAT-nominated leftist (and HATED) Romney… to throw the fight for leftist Obama.
The leftist republican party is FINISHED. The ONLY THING they can do at this point, is siphon votes away from the Constitution Party and Libertarian Party… and CONTINUE to hand the leftist democrat party win after win after win after win… BY DESIGN. Just like 2012 and 2008.
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SimpleTruths
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:53amThat ball is already rolling down the hill, and picking up speed, all on it’s own.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:09amRepublican does NOT equal conservative. Mr. Speaker has made that clear. Split now, Consevatives fight on principles that work, REPUBOs and DEMOs keep on their tango of death, let the Old Republic Fall (Currently should be called the Socialist Oligarchy of America) quickly, Conservatives are the ones with their hands clean to form a new nation, and then they can liberate Canada, Mexico, and all of Latin America once we have formed the New Republic. Kick the UN out of the new North American Republic while we are at it.
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barber2
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:17amThe Dividers are having such fun ! Obama says ” thanks.”
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:49amThe progressive republican party elected Obama by CHEAT-nominating McCain… and REELECTED HIM, by CHEAT-nominating Romney.
Obama says “thanks again, republicans!”
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wowjustwow
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 4:31pmMitch McConnell spent 4 years shouting from the mountaintops that his main goal was to rid the White House of Obama…nobody here seems to have a problem with that.
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nc_kayaker
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:44amThey won’t win it in 2016 or 2020 either. The Repub’s have lost their way. sad sad. No one wants to run on Conservativism. (Much less live it or defend it)
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:07amVoter fraud tool. Stay on focus. there is no way obama overcame a deficit of 85% turnout vs 2008..
It was electronic “VOTE REDISTRIBUTION” They do it with money- what makes anyone think they wouldn’t do it with votes? It’s not even theory. you saw it with your own eyes in the machines that errantly flipped the lights on the board. that part was not supposed to happen. It’s staring everyone in the face. The ‘results’ were scrolling the week before the election in those very corridors
Just because the media isn’t reporting it – doesn’t make it so..
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Pat Alexander
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:39amTime for the Republican establishment to step aside and let the growing Tea Party take over. The party is not going to survive another Presidential election if they don’t stop controlling the nominating process.
The lukewarm Rinos they keep giving us are the problem, not the solution.
As for Rove – Don’t go away mad, just go away…..
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E.Souchak
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:45amHey Chicago Tribune, what kinda Journalism is that?
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/12/12/hey-chicago-tribune-what-kinda-journalism-is-that/
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Nevermind
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:34amI look forward to the 2014 GOP gimmick. Will it be the constitution party, the freedom party, the green tea party or what? GOP try to rebrand and come up wiht new gimmicks all the time to cover for their shrinking base. At some point the gimmicks will run out as well as their base, i can understand why any of you even listen to talk radio any longer. Rush, Hannity, Beck and Levine have all fleeced you off $$ andhave doen nothign but hurt the party.
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SimpleTruths
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:22amI think you meant to say you “…can’t understand why…”.
Neither can I but then again televangelism is still alive and well playing off the uncertainty and fears of the willing. The group you cited is more or less is doing the same thing.
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oicu814me2
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:32amWow! How hard was that to figure out. And now the republicans say we need to be more like dumacrats to win. I am so at the end of my rope.
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willingtoupe
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:22amG.O.P is a political “Country Club” party.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 10:42am…same as the democrat party. The republican party and democrat party are IDENTICAL, unconstitutional Central Government Planning, chickenhawking, ANTI-liberty parties. And American is FINALLY beginning to see it.
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naughtycal
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:54pmBWS, if Americans are starting to see it then why vote for the candidate most likely to grow government at the fastest rate.
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:15am.
I’ll say it again the only way to save the country from the Democrates is at the end of a gun, just like when we took it from the British. Some of you will think this statement crazy, but this (once)great country was started at the end of a gun.
Revolution 2013
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SnowKalBebes
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:59amThis quote isn’t mine but seems to fit Beck’s sheeple perfectly-
“War is the cowardly way to avoid the problems of peace”
Go ahead and start your civil war, meanwhile the rest of this great country’s citizens will go about their days and you will be nothing but an afterthought as you rot in prison…
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:05am.
SnowKalBebes
People like you are the reason the country is Doomed……….
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wowjustwow
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 4:38pmOkay, spankdamonkey, so what are YOUR plans to start a revolution?? Or will you just spew nonsense day after day after day.
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Locked
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:13am“Interestingly, both O’Reilly and Rove seemed to agree that, if the next election were held today, the GOP would not be victorious.”
At the risk of sounding slightly annoyed, “No kidding, you blockheads.”
Obama JUST won the last election… handily. By about 5% of the popular vote and about 100 electoral votes. The GOP has no candidate to run right now, their social policies (a core feature of the last two elections) are extremely unpopular, their core voters are fighting each other and pointing fingers at each other over who’s to blame. The economy is better now (well, if you believe the officialy numbers) than prior to the election. And Obama supporters are pumped up.
To anyone with half a brain, it’s obvious that the GOP couldn’t win right now. They’re in a worse position than before the election in every way.
In 4 years the economic scene might be very different, new candidates will likely come into the spotlight, and and we’ll have seen how ineffective Obama and the Democrats have been. It won’t happen overnight… but it will happen. When it does, we need to make sure the conservatives of the country have a good, solid, Constitutional and fiscally responsible plan for America’s future.
I suggest the first thing we do is dump Rove. O’Reilly has good points from time to time, but a scorpion like Rove only knows how to sting; it’s his nature.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:37amI really wish somebody would pay me millions of dollars to offer goofy opinions, like the deal Rove has. Hell, I can do much better than him for half the money.
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mcmeador
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:08amWow, that’s a ballsy guess. The GOP just lost a presidential election barely a month ago and you predict that they would lose again if another election was held today. Duh….
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:57amI got news for ya . . . Republicans wouldn’t win even if they unleashed all the might an power of the right wig media machine, spent four years relentlessly and baselessly attacking democrats and liberalism, pushed polls by partisan hacks showing an insurmountable lead in their favor, and raised a billion dollars to defeat said Democrats – then went o the polls on, oh say Nov 6, 2012, convinced of a landslide and mandate in their favor. Even then Republicans couldn’t win.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:05amOkay, you’ll call Fox part of the right wing media, and there is the better part of talk radio. Wango, can you give us any other examples of ultra right wing media?
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:42amWall Street Journal, Instapundit, Washington Times, Redstate, Drudge, The Blaze, New York Post, Newsmax, Free Republic, Colorado Springs Gazette, National Review, Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, The Weekly Standard, Pajamas Media, Hot Air, The Cato Journal, PowerLine, Daily Oklahoman, The American Spectator, Waterbury Republican-American, Readers Digest, Clear Channel, Manchester Union-Leader, Jewish World Review, Media Research Center, anything Breitbart . . . whew, my fingers are cramping. This is exhausting. You get the point.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:51amNothing can “compete with the organized Democratic machine.” Nothing can compete, including freedom, liberty, small government, or contrary-wise – fascism or socialism or anarchy. I believe this is tyranny, that it is of the ignorant majority makes it no better.
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothing progressives.
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raderby
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:50amplease – let neither guy have anything to do with politics – not speaking for me in anyway…..not looking out for me – and surely, Rove isn’t helping anything except himself.
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TROONORTH
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:45amThe Republican party is dead in the water. It will lose the 2016 election and someone will throw the last shovel full of dirt on the coffin. At that point, let’s hope that a real ‘Conservative’ party springs up to take the place of the dead Republicans. God knows that the United States needs a Conservative government and that there will never again be one with the name ‘Republican’. As long as the best that Conservatives can find is a collection of ‘squishy’ Conservatives to lead their movement, there will be no Conservative government.
The man to watch now, is the next one who stands up on his hind legs and tells Obama; “To hell with your tax and spend government. To hell with your refusal to cut entitlements. To hell with your communist ‘tax the rich’ ideas. Either you cut spending or we will drive you over the cliff. Now buckle up baby. It’s a long way down!”
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TMOverbeck
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:32amTime to write your representatives and tell them to elect a Speaker with some cojones. Boehner’s a sellout.
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BehindBlueEyes
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:39amI no longer listen to either of these guys. Bill is full of himself and Karl babels on and on with useless information and statistics.
Bill I know your a simple man but here’s the problem in America’s political system- corruption, deception, lies, greed and ignorance.
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TheWhiteFalcon
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:39amRepublicans need to learn that being Demo-Lite isn’t the way to go. Until they do, they’ll keep losing.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:24amThis is true. The GOP continues to offer left wing progressives as “conservative” and then whines when the libertarian/paleo-conservative wing won’t drink their kool aid. If they continue to offer left wing progressives, they will continue to lose support.
They are blind to this of course, given as they think that the solution is to become even more progressive/leftist and abandon fiscally responsible economic policies and sell out free marketeers entirely. Bunch of loons running that party.
Vote Libertarian
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:36amWell said GHOST. I wish i could walk into the Booth and vote today. I just hope there is a Kountry left worth fighting for by then. Damn CLOTUS.
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Red Meat
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:40amLOL
Beck, O’Reilley & Rove. The three stooges of faux conservatism. The.Jig.Is.Up. Gentlemen.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:45amYou have it wrong to start with… it’s “Paleolibertarians” (not Paleo-Conservative) that also helped lose this election. Short on Conservative values and Liberal on most others. The American people recognized it… biatch slapped it… and the overly large Hispanic population took over the election from there it seems. But the Paleolibertarians being who and WHAT they are made sure that Obama enabling was the order of the day in a number of ways. Cowards all.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:14amHonestly Paul, you’re a walking joke. You simply lack credibility, as you never say anything that is well thought out or devoid of standard boiler plate GOP progressive talking points. You are disregarded; just like the people you keep telling us to vote for, and for the exact same reasons.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:23amGHOST wrote… “Honestly Paul, you’re a walking joke.” I thought the same thing… we can agree on that. I actually thought Paul was more on the level of a comfort and aid giving “traitor” but walking Joke will work.
If you endorsed Ron Paul, then you endorsed Rothbard / Rockwell “Paleolibertarianism” plain and simple. That in and of itself was a walking joke and a loser of an argument right from the get go. But you go ahead with the circle-jerk of how Libertarians define themselves while you attempt to corrupt Conservatism…
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Locked
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:28amJefferson, you need to stop making comments like these. They keep me from posting my own thoughts, because you tend to say them just as well and with half the word count. Absolutely correct, as usual.
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circleDwagons
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:23amI quit watching oreily years ago. The Gop lost because the empty suit progs took power. I blame HW bush, he should have continued RR policy and he should have finished the war in iraq.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:33amActually, Nixon was the poster boy progressive of the modern GOP. The man never met a federal program he didn’t approve of and want to implement. HW was a man who essentially followed in Nixon’s wake.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:57amGHOSTOFJEFFERSON, I voted for Nixon, but consider the opposition. Was anything but happy with him. I think that he was tutored by Eisenhower during his eight years in office. I had originally thought that he was a great president, but learned many years later that he was more of a quiet progressive himself.
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Pantloadian
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:00amFox can’t quit you, Karl.
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Calamity Jane
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:23amPlease, Karl……Just go away.
I quit watching jerks like Rove and O’Reilly, for that matter, 5 years ago…..Same parade of clowns…..Same old blather.
I would like to know how one goes about becoming a Fox News contributor. Afterall, I’m just as full of BS as any on them
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:21amThe 2016 Elections won’t matter. By that time the CLOTUS and his band of Communist Thugs will have turned AmeriKa into a waste Land. Welcome to the USSA. HEIL !!!!!
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ares338
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:17amRove is a big part of the problem….the “Archetect” indeed!
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:31amI think all the big talking heads on fox news are a problem….Basically everyone who ushered in Mitt Romney during the primary. That includes O’Reily and Hanity
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:04amSOY, I’d say that the MSM and Axlehole had more with influencing the selection of Romney than Fox did. The dirty tricks started early, and we did have nothing but some lame candidates and losers toss their hat in the ring from the GOP anyway. That included Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. They didn’t actually light any fires for the populace either. Apparently gave you a light, but…..
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:33amSOY was glued to Alex Jones, Infowars, Jesse Ventura and Adam Kokesh on Russian TV.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 3:55pmTimed2
i dont even have cable – that was a stupid comment on your part
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naughtycal
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:16amthe GOP is dead their problem is they were mostly phonies who played conservative while growing government. Don’t feel back Republican the whole system is about to be dismantled D.C. DAYS ARE NUMBERED
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jonarata
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:13amI’m sorry, but this is idiotic. First, we’re less than 2-months from the LAST election – when the GOP got it’s hindquarters handed to it – and we’re to expect they will be in anything other than “disarray” at this point? Seriously? Calm the panic, lads.
And second, given his track record since about 2006, is there any particular reason we should listen to Karl Rove ever again on, well, anything related to electoral politics?
Oh, I know – this is nothing that tossing the Tea Party folks under the bus cannot fix, right Karl?
Sheesh – the faster the GOP suffers their well-deserved relegation to the dustbin of history the faster a true right-of-center party can rise to take it’s place.
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TMOverbeck
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:45amWe need to start writing Koch and all the other GOP sugar daddies and implore them to shift their funding to a new party. This may be the only way to get a serious third party effort going.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:11amgop is done! It is sooooo corrupt.
demoncrats are communists.
TEA PARTY IS AMERICA because it stands for GOD, COUNTRY, FAMILY.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:33amGo Constitution Party instead….They are already established and they havent compromised with republicans like the tea party has
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kaydeebeau
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 8:52amYep Soy and that rigid idealogy has worked out really well for the good ol’ constitution party too – right?
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:15amSOY is like a fart in the wind. First it was America blame firster and traitor / enemy endorsing Ron Paul, then it was BIG gub’ment Mary Johnson for pot… now it’s the Constitution Party when ALL else fails.
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TMOverbeck
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 9:42amI’ll believe it when I see it. Every time a serious third party effort tries to get going, we get all the “ZOMG YOU’RE GONNA SPLIT THE VOTE!!!!!1!!1″ Panicky Petes. Then when the third party gets maybe 15% of the vote, and the enemy wins, it’s back to the plantation for everyone.
The only way we’re gonna get a third party to stick is to have a majority of GOP donors (majority being in $$$ instead of number of organizations) announce that they’re cutting ties and shifting their cash flow to the new party. This new party will also need some kind of flashy multimedia campaign to attract those crucial young voters. Coming up with their own mascot wouldn’t hurt, either… once the editorial cartoons start featuring a new animal, it might give the party a certain degree of integrity, oddly enough.
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BasketFullOfPuppies
Posted on December 13, 2012 at 11:30amSure, they will split the vote. But, I’m over that. This past election, the vote got split. But, Obama would’ve won even without the split, from the numbers I’ve seen. So, the biggest difference is with the people that DIDN’T VOTE, for whatever reason. The time seems to be ripe for a third party, GOP be danged. If the democrats won’t REPRESENT my beliefs, and the GOP won’t REPRESENT my beliefs, I think I shall vote for the one that does. My love affair with the GOP is over. I’m not for winning elections. I’m for saving this country from it’s downfall. Whoever will take up that torch, will get my vote. I’m done playing THEIR game and my past of voting for the lesser of two evils is over.
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TMOverbeck
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:05amWe’re just gonna have to rip off the Band-aid, ignore the Chicken Littles and start voting third-party. We may not win in 2016, but hopefully by 2020 we’ll have coalesced behind a new political party that can muscle its way into Washington.
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