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WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — A law enforcement official says that the 20-year-old suspect in the Connecticut school shootings killed his mother at their home Friday and then drove his mother’s car to the school where he went on a deadly rampage.
The 20-year-old killer, identified as Adam Lanza, committed suicide at the school, bringing the death toll to 28, authorities said.
In an interview with ABC News, a relative said Adam was “obviously not well.”
Another friend said he “was not connected with the other kids.” Further, other family friends described Adam as a troubled young man. The first image of Adam Lanza was released late Friday, though the photo (pictured above) is from 2005.
The Associated Press initially reported that Adam Lanza’s mother, Nancy, was a teacher at the school. However, late Friday night the AP reported that “at least one parent said Lanza’s mother was a substitute teacher there” but her name did not appear on a staff list.
The law enforcement official who spoke to the AP said investigators were unable to establish any connection between the mother and the school. ABC News reported that the gunman’s mother was a teacher’s aide at school and not a teacher. The source of the confusion is unclear at this point, but there are many unanswered questions that remain.
Meanwhile, in New Jersey, Adam Lanza’s older brother, Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned by law enforcement in New Jersey and was extremely cooperative, said a second law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation. Ryan Lanza is not believed to have any involvement and is not under arrest or in custody, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records, said the second official.
Ryan Lanza told law enforcement that his brother was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and be “somewhat autistic” and lived with the mother in Connecticut, the second official added.
The rampage, coming less than two weeks before Christmas, was the nation’s second-deadliest school shooting, exceeded only by the Virginia Tech massacre that claimed 33 lives in 2007.
Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly transposed the brothers’ first names.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they official were not authorized to speak publicly about the developing investigation.
According to the first official, the suspect drove to the scene of the shootings in his mother’s car. Three guns were found at the scene – a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols – and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. The two pistols were recovered from inside the school.
“Evil visited this community today and it’s too early to speak of recovery, but each parent, each sibling, each member of the family has to understand that Connecticut – we’re all in this together. We’ll do whatever we can to overcome this event,” Gov. Dannel Malloy said.

NEWTOWN, CT – DECEMBER 14: Emergency workers stand in front of the Sandy Hook School December 14, 2012 in Newtown, Connecticut. Credit: Getty Images

Distraught leave the fire station after hearing news of their loved ones from officials December 14, 2012 in Newtown, Connecticut. A young gunman slaughtered 20 small children and six teachers on Friday after walking into a school in an idyllic Connecticut town wielding at least two sophisticated firearms. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
Meanwhile, former Jersey Journal staff writer Brett Wilshe said he has spoken with Ryan Lanza of Hoboken, who told Wilshe the shooter may have had Ryan Lanza’s identification.
Ryan Lanza has a Facebook page that posted updates Friday afternoon that read that “it wasn’t me” and “I was at work.”
One of the officials said earlier Friday that a girlfriend of one of the Lanza brothers and another friend were missing in New Jersey. Subsequently, the third official said police had talked with the girlfriend. One of the friends had to be reached in California, so it took some time.
Police shed no light on the motive for the attack. The gunman, Adam Lanza, was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and lived with his mother, said a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but was not authorized to discuss it.
This story has been updated.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:30pmWhen mother is not home with her kids most of the time, and father is out making a living and is not an influential figure, and the kid is left with strangers to be educated at public school, and grows up outside the home and family structure, and is shaped and formed by Hollywood, the music industry, other kids, and the rest of the degenerate modern culture, you get children that are not properly developed and appropriately disciplined. These loners tend to always tell their problems to teachers, counselors or other adults, except their parents. In most cases, they’ve grown up outside the home, and feel no connection and love from parents. Not that the parents don’t show love, but that the the things between them has created a such a great gulf separating the two that they lose all sense to connect or reconcile with them. The video games, movies, music, fashion, etc, create a gulf between the child and parent. This is why most children feel their parents don’t understand them. Which causes some parents to send their kids to psychiatrists because they also don’t understand their kids. These kids are then given prescription drugs. This is a great danger. These drugs are purposely made to alter the mind. When a kid is growing up, his mind is yet developing, and any unnatural or forced interference will pose a health risk. The talk shouldn’t even reach guns, but to investigate why kids are left in public schools without any adequate protection.
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Small World
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:58pmTotally agree. We will have to see if he was on meds.
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rangerskippy
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:31pmThe MSM will not talk about his video game habbits. They will not discuss his vile satanic music, they will not talk about his pornography, or the movies he watches. They will not talk about the fact that he went to the multicultural education system that instructed him that being a white male is bad, or that he did not attend church, or never learned to pray.
The MSM will concentrate on the color of the gun he used, and will then forget to tell you that at age 20, he was not old enough to purchase a pistol. they will go on and on about the “assault rifle”, but not tell you that it was left in the back seat of this killers car.
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Ditto Head
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:56pmGuaran-freaking-TEE he was on psychotropics of some sort.
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mtcountrygrl
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:58pmThis is why I stay home and homeschool my children. The biggest influence on children are the people they spend the most time with. If you work 8-5 Mon – Friday and add to that a commute and other activities, the average parent spends 3 hours a day with their kids (and most of that time is spent getting ready for the day, making/eating dinner, homework, etc), then you have some time on the weekend; but who do they spend the most time with – not you.
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henryKnox
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:14pmHistorically, Progressives have believed that eugenics should be used to fix the problem. Presidents Wilson or Roosevelth would have had the inferior boy in an institution and of course sterilized. Now, instead they talk about taking guns from law abiding citizens. It seems that they are actually getting farther away from the root cause of the problem. What about family, church, morality and community?
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THXll38
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:19pmYou social cons are like the modern day libs. The libs are blaming lack of gun control and the NRA, and you social cons are blaming video games,TV, and that there are not enough stay at home slaves — I mean moms.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:33pm@THXLL38 Wrong. We conservatives as a society demand individual accountability, so that the person may become virtuous and courteous, while liberals through the state force collectivism, so that the person may become dependent and indoctrinated. While we Conservatives may blame those things, we expect of our neighbors personal responsibility, and not subjection through laws, as do the liberals. We conservativse see a problem, and seek to solve it, while liberals create problems and strive to hide them.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:36pmGood point THXLL! Its a difficult when you can blame any number of things, guns, video games, tv, God, mental illness and medication for mental illness. Its, i’m sure, a coping mechanism to try and find a reason for why this happened. but it is impossible for us rational thinkers to understand what would bring this man to do such a thing. there is a lot of baseless speculation going on right now though. especially with these comments I just read. but honestly as of now we know nothing.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:37pmOur world today calls individuals “mentally disturbed”, as to somehow soften or excuse their acts, when in reality they are just plain evil. These people are not “mentally handicapped”, they put on their shoes, wiped their own arse, make their own ham sandwiches, drive, communicate, and don’t depend on others to do basic and essential things. These people are just evil. But in this country, in order to not offend folks, we create some medical diagnosis, find a problem to make them feel special, and thus we can’t punish them, poor them. In this country, it’s been a long time since we’ve recognized evil, and punished it as such.
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Dudemau
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:59pmBull. The ONLY common denominator is that they are seeing psyches and are most likely on medication. THAT IS the ONE thing these “neglected kids” (to paraphrase you), have in common. Do your own research on these killers.They ALL killed AFTER they went on medication. What does that tell you?
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Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:05amWhat a simple minded point of view. How do you explain the hundreds of millions of public school educated people who have never went into a school and massacred innocent children? Also how do you know he wasn’t home schooled or went to a private Christian school? Way to push your agenda with zero factual basis.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:21amSHUT EM DOWN DEUTERONOMY! beautifully put!
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robfletch
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:30amSometimes maybe just sometimes the parents have nothing to do with it! God! How about personal responsibility and just plain old fashion EVIL. I was bullied,disrespected and abused by others. Who wasn’t? I never did anything close to this. I’m so tired of armchair analysis of some ones character after the fact that it makes me want to defaecate ( Pink Floyd)!. The boy was F*cked Up. Who’s to blame the gun’s? the mother? the school? Who cares? If one can do this to little children that person would’ve been given a medal in the SS. Evil is evil. Yes it still exist, stop trying to figure the why’s and arm the teachers to stop this ********!
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AgentP
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:51amThere are no drug therapies for Aspergers, if that was somehow related…obviously, if we made all psychiatrists indentured servants forced to give everyone free mental health care, this would never happen. Thanks a lot, Mickey Moore.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:29am@Keaton
You stated:
“Its a difficult when you can blame any number of things, guns, video games, tv, God, mental illness and medication for mental illness. Its, i’m sure, a coping mechanism to try and find a reason for why this happened. but it is impossible for us rational thinkers to understand what would bring this man to do such a thing. there is a lot of baseless speculation going on right now though. especially with these comments I just read. but honestly as of now we know nothing.”
Then Deuteronomy asked:
“How do you explain the hundreds of millions of public school educated people who have never went into a school and massacred innocent children?”
Then you stated:
“SHUT EM DOWN DEUTERONOMY! beautifully put!”
Have you not been all over this story under every article blaming guns, jumping to conclusions, and making irrational conclusions regarding guns based on emotion? I can also ask the same question regarding guns as Deuteronomy asked concerning medication. How do you explain the millions of educated gun owners that have never went into a school and massacred innocent children? There are a lot of unanswered questions regarding this incident that will be glossed over now by all of the irrational people yelling for gun control.
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:41amRangerskippy…good article.
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Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:55am@Wisdom
I don’t make it a habit to reply here but no I haven’t. I own guns, inluding a Sig, locked in my safe, and have children. I am anxiously awaiting more details on the shooter but have made nor stated any conclusions as I don’t have the information. As far as gun control, there are already millions of high capacity magazines and semi-auto firearms out there. Bannig sales is not the answer. Education as in keeping guns secure from those in the house who are mentally ill and background checks are what is needed including gun shows. If this guy was crazy than the mother who allowed him access to her guns shares much of the blame.
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Bellini
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:11amI think even though we don’t have enough facts to reach a precise conclusion, Valiant’s point is most likely very valid for the following simple reason: this used never to happen. There were lots of guns, there were mentally ill people, everything was the same, but this would not happen, and now it just keeps happening. The only thing that changed is the culture vehicled through movies, video games, music, and also the degrading family values. It doesn’t take a genius to isolate the variables here.
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GenOptimus
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:16am@THXLL38 Good people ,who just want to be loving homemakers and you call them “slaves”. Showing your true colors I see.
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mersey
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 6:17amLook at all the recent cases of this type of violence in our society. It’s always young men behind the violence. The progressives will never admit it, but they know that guns are only the tool of the violence, but the root cause comes from places like Hollywood, television and video games. These young people are bombarded with violence on every ‘entertainment’ level they use. The average young person can generally tell right from wrong, but to the sick mind, the violence is absorbed until a saturation point, and then they act out on this violence.
The progressive Democrats can try to ban all the guns they want, but it’s time the conservatives get together in mass and demand that Congress makes Hollywood, television and video game makers clean up their act now.
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Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 6:39amHey Mersey how do you explain the rape of Nanking and the babarism throughout human history? There are evil sociopaths among us and with a world population in the billions and advanced weapons there are more now than ever with the capability to cause mass casualties unassisted. This has nothing to do with ideology. The guy was an insane evil lunatic with access to guns bent on destruction. Not one child survived. He must have been very deliberate in their murders with absolutely no empathy as he looked into the eyes of these terrified babies. I regret he is dead. He needed to be killed slowly and painfully over many many months. That would be the only penalty I could accept.
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ron2win
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 6:43am@ THX, you insult every one ,yet present no solutions to the dilemma of which you speak .You are a nonentity with with a liquid presence .
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rangerskippy
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:25amDeuteronomy22
show me an example of where a home schooled kid, or one from a christian private school did a school shooting????
we took creation, prayer, and bible out of our public school, instructed kids that they came from monkeys, and now they act like monkeys
If this kid was gay the MSM will hide it. They will hide as many facts as they can about this kid, and just push for taking guns from the rest of us
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toomuchgovt
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:28amVery accurate too bad you are not on on of the many “news” outlets with their many “psychologist” now promoting more mental facilitates. In NY they still have over 300 open and fully staffed with no patients just waiting for this very situation. The unions wouldn’t let them close. I can see it coming, first gun control, next round up all “mentally unstable” we should all know how this story will end. History. I try and try to press to the new generation the importance or actually raising their children with true values.
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Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:37amPosted on Friday, November 18, 2005
RALEIGH — If homeschooling families want to draw attention to their lifestyle and education methods when their children excel — as in academic competitions — they’ve got to accept that they will draw unwanted scrutiny when one of their own does something horrible.
Such is the case with 18-year-old Pennsylvania murder suspect David Ludwig, who abducted his 14-year-old secret girlfriend Kara Borden Sunday after he allegedly gunned down her parents in their home. Ludwig was arrested in Indiana Monday with Borden in tow, after crashing his vehicle. Both were homeschooled and, according to some media reports, “deeply Christian.”
Well since they are home schooled, as in their educated at home by their parents this should count as they don’t attend schools for normal kids. This took about 30 seconds. I’m sure there are more but any time a home school kid kills some one in his home that is a school shooting relatively speaking.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:52am@DEUTERONOMY22
Please read my comment again. It was addressed to Keaton. :-)
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Platonician
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 8:03amSir, I agree with you 100%.
The problem is cultural and societal. Behavior is modeled by society, values are set by the dominant culture and they determine individuals’ response to stress, illness, etc
This criminal is the pure produce of secular/liberal America!
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betsyyoung
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 9:16amMost reasonable comment I have read thus far!!!!! You are spot on Valiant1776!!!!
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daniel3839
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 9:56amYou can thank the liberals and the feminist agenda that now tell women that being a MOTHER is a “PRISON”. This is why children are becoming mass murderers and your exactly right.
No matter how you slice it, if a women chooses to have kids she needs to make up her mind whether she is going to be a MOTHER to her children or have a career. YOU CANT HAVE BOTH and this is the result. They dump them off at day break and dont get home till dark and when they do they are tired and the last thing they want to deal with is hell raising kid! So they dump them off on everyone else to raise them and all become latch key children.
Every one of these mass shooting involve MENTAL ILLNESS.
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daniel3839
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 9:59amVery good point Valiant1776
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stage9
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:16amWhen as a culture you teach children to SIMULATE murder and de-emphasize morality, don’t be surprised when they become monsters.
Exhibit A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSUe0Uzo7nA
Exhibit B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lULODqhqsJ0
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GrayPanther
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:46amAgree 100%. All elements you describe contribute to many kegs of dynamite walking around only needing a spark to explode. Hopefully, the forensic study of this troubled young man’s past will point out a few areas we can incorporate into our school and social venues for the future. Better to examine this young mans past than going after gun legislation.
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ltb
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:00amvaliant1776, what you said is true, but I’d like to add one thing. When you take God out of the classroom and teach children that life is meaningless because they are nothing more than descendants of slimeballs, we shouldn’t be surprised that scenes like this have become commonplace in America.
Back in the early 1960s, before the Bible and prayer were deemed too offensive for public schools, the top discipline problems were talking, chewing gum and cutting in line. Fifty years after the Supreme court banned God from public schools those top problems have changed to rape, robbery, assault, murder, suicide, vandalism, extortion, drug abuse, gang wars, abortion and AIDS. Greedy corporations, corrupt government, children murdering children… this is what America looks like when you tell God he’s not welcome in our country.
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ltb
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FreedomPurveyor
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:19amYou’re more likely to die in a plane crash than a shooting rampage. People just need to get over these things and stop giving these nutjobs the added incentive of national attention.
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Mylittlecups
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:43amI have read and thought about what you have posted. How dare you sit in judgement on working mothers and fathers. Most of us have to work. Reality. And most of us are also trying to teach our children moral values in the process. You forget that it is the person not the parent when evil brews in the mind. You cannot blame the systems of today. Or do you also sit in judgement of Eve when her child murdered his brother (Cain & Able) There was no system then yet evil took root. Evil is all around so we pray for protection from it. And it is so horrible what happened and my heart grieves for the families. And by you posting what you did sounds like you are putting the blame on the parents not evil.
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700P
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:01pmReports state weapon s were purchase LE for him by his deceased mother, including the two handguns used for the shooting (rifle was in the car):
Point 1 – he was not old enough (21) to buy/own these handguns. Laws don’t work.
Point 2 – his mother, her classroom/their families and co-workers paid with their lives for her poor judgment
Point 3 – CT schoolteacher = Obama/union supporter not NRA Poster Family
Point 4 – indulgent divorced parent competes for mentally ill sons affection (if I don’t buy guns for him then his daddy will).
Very tragic but banning guns is not the answer. An armed teacher or school police officer (becuasuse many AREN’T armed due to teachers unions) could have prevented this.
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Augydoggy
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:11pmGreat minds think alike. Thanks for expressing my thoughts so well.
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dissentnow
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:12pmI wonder if this kid was on any big government/big pharmaceutical approved drugs?
The pharmaceutical companies have created far more violent drug addict zombies than any pusher on any street corner ever has.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:15pmRight on Valiant.
I posted a similar thought here:
http://www.patriotsdonotcomply.com/index.php/articles/insanity-and-culture-death/
Feel free, all, to sign up in the Discussion area and post your thoughts (read the terms of service first please). Lots of subforum are not visible until you sign up, but the General area is (where the TOS is located).
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:36pmSays the brother who also said he hasn’t talked to his brother since 2010? But the media sure jumped on that story. I’d like to know if any psychiatrist he saw was skilled in hypnosis! No one without a prior history of violent actions & remarks just wakes up & commits such a horrific crime. I think there is a lot more to this story than we can see.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:41pmKeatonc33
” Its a difficult when you can blame any number of things, guns, video games, tv, God, ”
For good measure why don’t you throw in atheism.
“but it is impossible for us rational thinkers to understand what would bring this man to do such a thing”
So are you saying that psychologists are not rational thinkers or that psychologists will never be able to understand irrational people or their disorders?
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Walkabout
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:51pmPersonality disorder meaning he did not get along with people well.
Meaning there some bad interaction somewhere along the way, which were sometimes his fault or other times other people’ fault. Which meant he learned the wrong lessons & other people could not get through to him or did not try. Learning the wrong lessons he went down the wrong path.
Who to blame? The onus lays upon him. Consider we are often told that parental influence is about 1/3rd. Certainly his parents tried to do the right thing. 99.9% of people including those who don’t give it much though, don’t want a kid to grow up to be bad person. they say that peer pressure or input is a close competitor with parental input. I think here is where we need to look as much as to his genetics or how he conceptualized things. But how many people are going to run down every last interaction they had with him so that forensic psychologists can get a handle on why he acted this way. Especially, when their action may not put them in a good light.
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iampraying4u
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:28pmDid it say he was into whichcraft and goth games
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valiant1776
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:19pm@Deuteronomy22 + anyone else who has taken my comment way out of context.
I was trying to fit all the millions of thoughts I had into a small space, ergo, there was not enough room to explain myself with details. As for the “millions” who haven’t done it? Back in the day, everyone used to carry guns everywhere. Students would take their rifles to schools and leave them in their truck’s gun rack. No one said anything, no one stole them, no one went on a rampage. Guns were used for hunting, and shooting beer bottles. Here in liberal Maryland, in the 60′s, a 12 year old boy, going to school, would have his rifle strapped to his back, and he didn’t do anything remotely evil. That is a true story. My friend tells me he would use the rifle to protect himself and younger sister. On the way back home he might go target shooting at the local park, or go hunting. Not the police, politicians, or neighbors said he was a maniac. He was normal, peaceful, well behaved, and respectful. He lived in a time and place where people had morals, values, and discipline. So what has changed? I don’t blame anyone else for their actions, as I said in my previous comment, evil is evil. But I will point out the obvious. We set up an environment where such things are liable to happen. We as a society today think it’s okay for kids to have fun when they play video games that kill and shoot people. And then we cry and whine when something happens in real life.
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turkey13
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:14pmThank goodness he finally ran out of bullits. Can you imagine what he could have done on a busy city street with the sidewalks full of people doing their christmas shopping and him swervin into them with a car or a truck. If a person really punched the gas pedal you could wipe out 100 people real fast. We need a petion at the White House to outlaw trucks before me & you get ran over from behind.
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cosmic dogma
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:37pmIn reply to THXLL38. Guaranteed- this young adult was on prescription drugs. Probably for years. No one knows the long term effect of “mind” drugs on developing human brains. There is a dramatic increase in teen suicide and murder rates in the past few years. Combine brain drugs with a utter disregard for the human soul, and it’s ability to discern right and wrong, and you have walking inhuman, bloodthirsty zombies. As to the comment that stay at home Moms are “slaves”; a slave is powerless and has no freedom to choose. Stay at home Moms are all powerful, and beloved, and have the ability and intellect to direct not only their own life, but the lives of their families. Show me a stay at home Mom, and I will show you a competent, able, morally strong leader. The fact that you disrespect women is a indication of your institutionally influenced childhood. Stay away from guns and drugs.
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Salamander
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:27pmWas this kid a product of public education? If so, do we conclude that there is something wrong with public education? (Probably NOT from this event! I’m surprised we didn’t ‘hear’ what kind of SUV he was driving!) It will turn out there were one or more long chain of events that led up to this disaster! While there may have been some ways to effectively intervene, by the time this event materialized, it was really too late!
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Salamander
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:33pmDid you ever wonder if the thing missing isn’t ‘love’ from the partents, but more ‘fear’ and ‘respect’ of the parents by the perpetrator! It’s just amazing how a swat on the **** can teach that there are consequences to misbehavior, rather than the empathy route! If this is happening more often (and it is NOT clear to me that is the case), then we should look at ourselves and ask if this has a link to our permissive, God-less, drug ingesting, authority resenting, liberal society? Seriously, I hope they investigate how many times this miscreant was spanked when he was growing up and compare that to how many ‘participation trophies’ he was ‘awarded’ for just being there!
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Salamander
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:38pmCareful there, MTCOUNTRYGRL, we don’t know if the perpetrator was home schooled or not! It may turn out that home schooling was part of his problem. Just sayin’. (I appreciate your post, but we should be concerned that we all project too much of OUR background into pseudoanalysis so that we can espouse our favorite point of view! I am guilty of that, myself, as hard as I try not to!)
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Salamander
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:49pmThe libs should be more worried about the NCBA (National Car Bomb Association) or NSB (National Suicide Bomber Association), that then NRA (National Rifle Association), members of which are actually MORE LIKELY to mitigate a situation such as this than to perpetrate it! A gun, properly handled by a trained professional or skilled amateur, can do more to intervene against a rogue shooter than any amount of other security measures! Don’t get me wrong, those other measures can screen and detect, but when they miss one, what are you going to do? I’d go so far as to REQUIRE firearms training for teacher certification–then let the individual teacher determine if they can effectively use that training in their profession, or if they would be unable to safeguard their weapons from the curious malcontent. I can tell you that I’d be paying a lot more attention in class to a 3rd grade teacher visibly packing heat, than someone who was not! I’m not saying that everyone should carry a firearm, but I am suggesting that everyone in the teaching profession, just like everyone in the airline business, would benefit from firsthand firearm training! And, I wouldn’t advertise ‘Gun Free School’–keep ‘em guessing and they’ll think twice about causing mischief! I think I was first exposed to firearms in the third or fourth grade–in Summer camp! And the guy teaching us had a BIG paddle and knew how to use it!
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ltb
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:49pmMylittlecups, maybe you should think a little bit more about Valiant1776’s post. First off, if it hadn’t been for Eve disobeying God, sin never would have entered the world and Cain wouldn’t have murdered Abel. Second, being a housewife used to be considered a very noble profession until women like Gloria Steinem made a career out of belittling traditional mothers.
Personally, I have no problem whatsoever blaming contemporary parents for the pathetic state of our society. After all, back in my parents’ day, when people spent Sunday mornings in church and watched shows like “Father Knows Best,” children didn’t make a habit of murdering their classmates. Today, parents let Godless socialists teach their children that they’re related to apes and then allow them to play vile video games where they practice murdering people. The reason our society is so evil today compared to 60 years ago is very simple… our society rejects God and glorifies depravity. This isn’t rocket science.
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Buddynoel
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:18pmLiberals are very quick to point out that the guns are what caused this problem. They don’t want to say that this nation’s lack of a coherent mental health system is what appears to be causing these shootings. The problem is that liberal America has pushed the limits of human decency so far out to the edge that mental instability is now recognized as progressive expression. If America were to address mental health in a comprehensive way, this country might have fewer people in need of government control.
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HigherRoad
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:54pmDrudge Report posted the Sandy Hook Elementary story along with another about a man who attacked 22 elementary school children in China with a knife. The crazies will always find another way to carry out their evil plans. Why did we never hear about massive shootings in the past? Many homes had guns and some gun owners even displayed them on racks in the back of their trucks. So, what makes today’s generation more likely to use guns than past generations? I think the answer lies within the violent-prone nature of this generation.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:04pmA quieter weapon may even make it easier to kill many more because there would be no alarm due to the silence, an ax could kill even more. I do believe that the violent and gory movies and video games are definitely not a help.
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mealive4ever
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:52amPlease define “comprehensive way” to treat mental illness.
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GenOptimus
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:06am@water the tree Video Games, Movies,T.V. ,Music and Books for that matter can’t be destroyed but they can be changed and used for good. they are a tool just like a knife or a gun and if the person using them does not know The Lord Jesus Christ in their heart then satan gains an opportunity to influence others.
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TRUMPETCALL
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 8:15am–
Cars.
Planes.
Cig Smoke.
Alcohol.
Trains.
Meth.
Pharmaceuticals.
These Don’t Kill People.
People Kill People.
Therefore:
B A N P E O P L E ? ? ?
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countryfirst
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 8:38amWhen I was in HS many young men including myself would have weapons in their cars ready to quickly get to their favorite hunting spot or range. We would bring them out and show ore buddies and sometimes even show the teachers. And not one killing.
Killings like this are all from the destruction of the family, removal of God from any public setting and a decay of a societies moral compass. These are all driven by the Liberal /Progressive agenda for Government dependency.
An armed society are citizens an unarmed society are subjects. I for one prefer to be a citizen
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 9:23amWater the Tree nailed it. Violent culture glorified, sick video games, perverted movies like “Pulp Fiction” and “Natural Born Killers” etc. Anybody that thinks these things don’t desensitize a sick mind and, like an addict, make them want more and more, is delusional themselves.
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toomuchgovt
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:17pmBoy the libs are working double time with this tragedy, gosh we can’t even grieve. They not only want gun control, they want to reinstitute Mental Institutions, what is next lobotomies? Can anyone hear those train whistles?
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bava
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:48pmYou’re the freak that is working overtime. Been to a lot of sites today. This is where the Hatefest is. Sorry to be the new breaker.
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RLTW
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:10pmSo, brava 26 people die by the hand of what appears to be an Obama voter and I should be willing to give up my right to bear arms?
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GoodStuff
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:41pmSeek help Bava.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:23amAppears to be an Obama voter? you are an idiot!
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EIDTSUMSLAREBILLLA
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:53am@ KEATON33…
…And you’re a ******. See? I can call you names too.
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EIDTSUMSLAREBILLLA
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:05amPerfect! More libturd suppression and censoring of my free speech. Great!
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majasdad
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:54am@BAVA
Exactly Bava, well said!!
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GenOptimus
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:20am@Toomuchgovt I agree with you. They don’t want a good crisis to go to waste.
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barber2
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:18pmPoor Maja.
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NotAGolfer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:08pmMass murder is linked to the proliferation of prescription psychiatric drugs, which is caused by the collusion of Big Pharma and Big Government. Doctors prescribe these without asking questions, many times. You feel bad? Here! This is a huge problem, and we need to inform people of what politicians, who are endowed by Big Pharma, won’t say. There is a link between anti-depressants and mass murders, and these are not the only psychiatric drugs that ruin lives:
http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/07/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection-2417899.html
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:17pmHere’s another link: http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:56pmSome people are weak in the mind and spirit, and demons make a prey of these weak minds, and influence and even posses them, and these things happen.
The very fact that nobody believes in or knows the devices of the devil and his minions makes it easy for him to prey upon people, people are ignorant and unkowing and do not know how to protect and secure their minds and thoughts and these tragedies are the result.
I am not saying that drugs are not or have not been involved, but they are not the actual reason for EVIL, they may be a bridge that helps the demon to cross over into the mind of the perp. But evil of this magnitude is definitely the will of the evil spirits that we wrestle against., It just becomes hard to wrestle if you do not believe or realize that you are in a battle, and if your are handicapped by a mental weakness or disorder.
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HorseCrazy
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:22pmand sometimes people are just flat out evil and need to be put down. there is never an excuse for this behavior there is no explanation, there is just evil inside of them. they have allowed it to fester and grow and fed the evil until it goes from thought to action. you can cover it with drugs but the ugly will leak out and become violent. this is an issue of heart and soul. unfortunately with the heart and soul of this country going to hell quickly we will see more of these tragedies. my advice to everyone, make a positive impact on those you can, love in the face of evil, pray and help those in need. be the light we need in this world.
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pwatkins
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:26pmI know three people personally that took their own lives shortly after going on Prozac and a very close family member had an uncontrollable act on Zoloft. We need more research before people start popping pills to heel brain disorders of which we know very little about. It isn’t as simple as go home and take two aspirin used to be. Peoples’ minds are not experiments and shouldn’t be treated as such.
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proudohiomom
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:54pmEvery time I hear the stories like this I wonder if they are on these drugs. My daughter attempted to take her own life twice. The first more of an attention getting attempt did lead to diagnosing a biological condition. But at that point the mental health profession became involved and sent us on our way with Prozac. Second attempt the day after they decided to double her meds would have been a success if we had not found her in her room. We had a school counselor wanting to call social services when we refused to try something new after the second attempt. The parents may not always be to blame sometimes the mental health system and the schools take charge and before you know it this happens.
This coming from the city that has had two such students being featured on The Blaze. The dump truck thief was in my daughters elementary. Other daughter sat next to the Craig’s list killer. Oh by the way yesterday we made the news for a kid with a hit list and threatening to bring a gun on Monday. He was suspeneded for 5 days.
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Deuteronomy22
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:11amDid you ever consider it may be exposure to the chemicals we dump into our air and water. or the chemicals we put in our food? Last I heard the GOP wanted to deregulate everthing not the Democrats.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:30amhow is blaming medication any different than blaming guns?
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:51amPWATKINS — To add to what you have posted. If you study the drugs and what it says about them in the books, it almost always says (they think) or (it is believed) that the drug does such and such and that is why it does what it does, but in truth they really do not know what exactly the drug really does, they just get certain results with only so many dying or what ever and they say “let’s sell it we’ll make billions”. To all that believe we are evolving I say quite the opposite, we are devolving.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:28amKEATONC33
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:30am
how is blaming medication any different than blaming guns? ————————————— Because it is the man’s thought process that planned and executed this tragedy, the gun is not what affected his mind where as DRUGS CAN, FOOL. I have yet to see a post from you that is worth a crap!
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GenOptimus
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:54am@Water the Tree Well said! Don’t mind all these idiot liberal commies, they believe that guns have mystical powers that turn people evil. Of course blades don’t have any of these magical powers even though mankind has used them for war for thousands of years and still do. Look up tomahawks and current military use, you’ll be surprised how many of our brave fighting men still carry them and buy them with their own money to put with their gear.
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hpyagl
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:32amIt’s most likely that there are many events in this killers life that lead to this. I do not believe guns are the problem. I would have even questioned blaming anti-depressant drugs until about two Months ago. I have been around for 50 years and have never had reason to be on anti-depressants. I recently had a sudden onset of severe panic and anxiety that would not let up. Couldn’t sleep, work, or do anything but pace. I believed and still believe there is some biological root cause but I nor my doc could find anything. He put me on 20mg of Prozac and I initially refused to take it. I read articles and a couple of books claiming anti-depressants had no effect compared to placebos so I started them to humor him ( and my wife). Three days, nothing, then by the 4th day, I noticed strange fluctuation in moods. It was like for a few seconds, a Rolodex in my head would scroll from normal to extreme depression, to anger and then back to normal. As an example I was cleaning leafs from my gutters and I started climbing a 15 ft ladder. About half way up I was struck with a deep depression that made me stop and question why it was worth it to keep climbing. Then a few secs. later it cleared. Strange stuff! After 4 weeks, these things passed and I felt “normal” but my point is I think people, especially younger people should be closely monitored when starting OR changing dosage on these things. I think docs perscribe them to young kids without close monitoring, especially during star
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hpyagl
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:42amI also made it a point to not even look at my firearms during the startup period for the same reason I would not touch a firearm with alcohol in my system when I used to drink.Even though I think anti-depressants are over prescribed, especially to children, the real problem is society and moral decline. Even though anti-depressants are over used and not properly monitored, they are really just adjusting natural serotonin and or dopamine levels in the brain to “balance” things out. Like I said, I think there are multiple possibilities for why these tragedies occur.
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iampraying4u
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:51pmthe drugs are not so bad its when they go off them
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hpyagl
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:27pmSuddenly stopping anti-depressants can be dangerous as well. Especially for younger people. Starting and stopping drugs like Zoloft or Prozac are the times when close monitoring is needed. The brain will go through unpredictable transients until the brain has a chance to adjust and re-balance itself on it’s own. That’s when the weird stuff happens. This kid could have just decided to go cold turkey on his meds. and I can see how this can easily cause someone to go over the edge. You have to ween off them slowly. That’s where the danger is.
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NILAP
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:07pmWill the liberal bloggers be condemning Hollywood and movies like the Jamie Foxx Django movie. Will his friend President Obama call for movies like this to be removed from theaters. NO – progressives will be out there blaming the NRA. Guns have been around a long time but the kind of violent, graphic movies that are prevalent today have not. Most of the creators and actors in them all voted for President Obama and are cheering the transformation of America to the state it is now in. This is President Obama’s America now.
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wowjustwow
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:56pmSo you’re for censorship?
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EIDTSUMSLAREBILLLA
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:17pmPresident Obama? Sorry, I have to correct you…This is Chairman Obama’s America. Kinda like when it was Chairman Mao Zedong’s China.
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EqualForce
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:05pmFirearms are used far more often by law abiding citizens for personal defense than for the horrible murders committed by deranged criminals. (Although this fact is rarely (if ever) reported by the MSM)
Guns act as “force equalizers” for all men, women, and children enabling defense from stronger, or more able, violent attackers that would otherwise not be possible. Please add this site to the list of those attempting to highlight the defensive use of firearms typically reported by local media:
http://www.equalforce.net
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GenOptimus
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:35amThank you for the link. According to the stinking liberal commies we should tell our grandmothers to just punch, kick, and wrestle any physically powerful criminal that may break into her house or assault her on the street.
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integrican
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:53amWithout firearms, we would be ruled by the young and strong bearing clubs and swords. WTF!!!
I would also like to present Oingo Boingo, “Only a Lad”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXW66o15e0
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mike3481
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:02pmIsn’t tragically ironic that someone with a personality disorder commits a horrific crime, which then causes every politician who also has a personality disorder, (sociopathy), to come forward and propose an idea, (gun control), which in the end, is an even greater crime, and greater on an order of magnitude.
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catty
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:11pmIsn’t it great that a person with a personality disorder has access to guns?
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NotAGolfer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:19pmIsn’t it great that a person with personality disorder gets prescribed guns, like candy, which are linked to violence and suicide and mass murder?
I’ll eat my hat if the murder isn’t linked to prescription drugs pushed by the colluding partners, Big Pharma and their pals in Big Government, who write regulations that institutionalize and push these substances. Anti-depressants aren’t the only psychiatric drugs that ruin lives, either. We should get the word out, as Obama tries to blame this whole thing on guns, rather than the increasing power of govt over healthcare:
http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/07/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection-2417899.html
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:23pmcatty
All of comments are Snide, sarcastic & catty. Every last one of them. And they don’t make very good points especially with the dearth of information we still have. But you have to get your barbs in.
I wonder how many people you bullied at high school with that sharp tongue of yours? How many people are still hurt & might slowly cook off from your witty sarcasm?
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down_trod
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:37pm@CATTY Could you think of a reason why a mother would have a personal defense weapon (with a son diagnosed as Adam) or is this too far fetched?
If not, then I’ll describe it to you.
As a school teacher, she is liberalized, meaning she didn’t want to divulge her own son’s fallibility and danger to the world. She thought she alone could aid his suffering mind.
As liberals go, they have lots of ideas on how to fix the worlds problems – all the while denying the underlying issues.
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GoodStuff
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:45pm@Catty
“Isn’t it great that a person with a personality disorder has access to guns?”
Why stop there?
Isn’t it great that a person with a personality disorder has access to knives? Let’s ban knives.
Isn’t it great that a person with a personality disorder has access to cars? Let’s ban cars.
Isn’t it great that a person with a personality disorder has access to baseball bats? Let’s ban baseball bats.
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EIDTSUMSLAREBILLLA
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:28amGOODSTUFF…Just wanted to add:
Isn’t it great that a person with a personality disorder has access to run the US? Let’s ban Obama.
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NILAP
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:37pmHollywood movies, video games – the mass killings in them – look at the latest Tarantino movie. It is liberalism that pervades the creators of this media that is behind this growing senseless violence. It is not the NRA but all the atheist progressives that are causing this as their values are being taught to young people who grow up without regard to human life.
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Wishmich
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:52pmI agree. It’s also the decay of society in general. Lack of morals; the breakdown of the family; individual rights trump the rights of all; neighbors don’t want out for neighbors or their kids. It’s almost impossible to have a discussion with someone without them dropping curse words. It’s all over the television. This stuff didn’t happen decades ago when guns were more readily acquired. My heart weeps for humanity today and that my kids won’t ever know what a decent society really is.
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wowjustwow
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:58pmSo, you advocate censorship…yes or no?
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:40pm@WOWJUSTWOW No, we demand discipline and virtue.
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MrButcher
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:32pmWB Yeats summed it up pretty well;
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Rosemary Woodhouse
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:03pmI wish I copied my last post. It posted and then it disappeared. It’s content was inoffensive. Basically, I wrote here comes the abrogation of the second amendment without impediment. I also wrote, history always repeats itself with this very interesting and informative history lesson:
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Of course, God should always have the last word:
2 Timothy 3: 1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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Honestybefore truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:31pmI personally believe this is more primarily a product of the current societal model and a tainted education system. That young man’s mental capacity was simply a modifier. We now have two generations of young adults that have been raised with diminished consequences and lowered standards, of what is constitutes praiseworthy achievement and their own capacity for excellence, as well as a strengthening of moral moral ambiguity. Time-outs or attempting to reason with a child (who isn’t ready to grasp the concepts necessary that such strategies rely on to be effective) combined with education programs based in the “self-esteem” movement have produced generations that are, far to often, ill equipped to deal with the real world. The societal move to base life on people’s “needs” and what is “fair” have left these young adults frustrated with the lives that they have actually earned. The OWS crowd is a primary example of this, add to that diminished mental capacity or emotional deficit (such as with the young men who have recently committed similar tragedies) and you have walking time bombs. We should all be ready for this to get worse before it gets better. The likelihood of further declining prospects and futures of these young people will increasingly leave them more and more frustrated. Without a belief system to sustain them, nor the moral code to restrain them, the resulting mix bodes ill for society as a whole.
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mkw22
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:40pmExcellent comments. I agree so much with what you have said. We have children who get trophies for just playing a sport. I had to earn my trophies with hard work and success. Then we have the mentality of thinking that you deserve everything. I hate to say it but it’s the entitlement culture. Life is not fair, and God Bless the families who are grieving losses. I am physically sick by this incident. Our country is on a bad path. We need to change it.
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oldguy49
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:42pmyep, when i was in school we said pledge of allegiance and the lords prayer at the the beginning of class…we didn’t lock our cars or homes and had gun racks in the window of the pickup…………this crap didn’t happen…………..boy how society has progressed under the progressives
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HelloWorld
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:45pmI agree – there is such an absence of empathy in this country. You need not look further than to hear our elected leaders speak to recognize that. I also agree that it will get worse before it gets better. We are on the second or third generation of entitled children that have a poor understanding of consequences and rarely receive the correct ones.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:10pmVery well said.
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NotAGolfer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:21pmMass murder is linked to prescription drugs, pushed by the colluding partners, Big Pharma and their pals in Big Government, who write regulations that institutionalize and push these substances. Anti-depressants aren’t the only psychiatric drugs that ruin lives, either. We should get the word out, as Obama tries to blame this whole thing on guns, rather than the increasing power of govt over healthcare:
http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/07/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection-2417899.html
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:22pmOh I see ENCINOM/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO/KREGNEVA…so the actions of mentally ill individuals means no guns for anyone right? My how statist of you. The good thing is..many democrat congressmen come from states that like their guns so fat chance of passing a gun ban champ.
But what’s to stop these same lunatics from buying chemicals and components readily available to ANYONE and building bombs to act out their delusions instead? Ban fertilizer you say? You’d be out of things to say then wouldn’t you?
How about fully fueled commerical aircraft flying into buidlings? Ban those too?
Typical liberal cur you are….instead of addressing the problem you just take “stuff” away from people. Mental illness is the problem and banning guns doesn’t fix the problem. Idiot. These people will just find another means to lash out from the distorted world they have in their minds. An honest discussion and effective policy on mental illness is what’s needed, not banning guns.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:22pm@ encinom
This would never happen in Mayberry if you don’t know the show look it up society has decayed.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:26pmI agree encinom: The teachers union and the Irish terrorists are liable in this situation. It is a conspiracy of 3 letter acronyms that are the problem and the darn IRA and NEA started it all. You make excellent points.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:33pmencinom
Dude get over yourself. How many people had guns in America in 1783, 1790 & 1800 versus how many were in a militia, well regulated or not. I bet there were more people with guns in & around Washington than fought the British outside Washington, when it was burned.
Didn’t hear any of the surviving founding fathers say hey where were you guys. We know you have guns why didn’t you form as militia & fight the British.
You can’t answer that & will never be able to answer that. So I & other will bring it up each & every time.
Get used to it
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Small World
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:08pmTotally agree. Drugs probably a factor also. So very sad.
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Honestybefore truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:50pmEncinomom,
By your reasoning the cars and the alcohol are responsible for all the drunk driving deaths, not the worthless alcoholics. Or the scalpels responsible for botched operations. Tools are simply tools (no not the same kind of tool you are, but..) and are neither bad nor good in and of themselves. We currently restrict the use and possession of firearms more rigidly than any of the other things mentioned, yet more people die in car accidents[34,485] than by guns [31,347 accidental included]. And you are also more likely to die by a physicians mistake [120,000] than by a gun as well. If these people who commit these atrocities were unable to obtain a gun they would simply use another weapon. Your protest is weak , cliche (similarly your mind), and lacking any honest evidence to support it. You are less than helpful in the discussion of how to end such tragedies.
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EIDTSUMSLAREBILLLA
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:58pm@ ENCINOM…
I know, seems clear that your Mom took away your toy guns and locked you in the closet to play with Barbie dolls as a kid…It’s okay, we on the right understand and still accept you – the NRA probably won’t, considering you have some apparent mental issues and an obvious Oedipus complex (All of a sudden the movie “PSYCHO” comes to mind)…
In any case, I encourage you to keep ripping on the NRA – speak your mind. It gives me something to laugh at when all that effort you exert changes nothing. What a sec, a Liberal exerting? That’s a new one…
Oh and BTW, I would guess that you’re probably hard-up for Obama and all his wondrous bacon that you think you’re getting…You do know he’s laughing his @$$ off at you and everyone on the left, right? You think you’re getting a slice of his pie? Keep dreamin’…
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G.E.R
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:26pm“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Epicurus
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Elena2010
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:31pmGod is ready and willing. However, He made room in His sovereignty for us to have free will.
When human wickedness comes together with cosmic evil, this is what you get.
That does not make God any less good or any less God. It makes Him weep for our hardness of heart.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:35pmYou must be thinking of the old Star Trek episode where the computer is “taking care” of all of those half dressed blond people. You might want to read at least some of the bible before you try to lecture the rest of us.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:40pmReally..this is God’s fault? Do you think faith is that easy? No wonder you’re a liberal.
Those children that died were innocent..Jesus loved them and told us to be like them in our faith when we come to him.
God let’s us be who we want to be and let’s us deal with the consequences of our nature as mankind. Have we changed at all since we humuliated, tortured and killed his son two thousand years ago? Heck..you seem to want to continue humiliating and demeaning him as if his suffering didn’t satisfy you.
God isn’t a referee and he doesn’t pop into the world like the Endora from Bewitched to lecture us whenever you call out.
He tells us plainly…abide by his word and you will live in love and see him in his glory. Abide by man’s compulsions and you’ll fall.
Serisously…do you really think faith is that easy? To be truthful..of course a godless liberal would see faith as something so simple as a demand for a referee or a policman..this is why you don’t like God..he doesn’t cater to your whims.
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G.E.R
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:53pmActually what I’m saying is there is no god. No divine plan. Or any other BS that you religious nutbags will claim to explain this. This was the actions of a truly mentally effed up individual. Nothing more and nothing less.
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searching for the Truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:58pmGod’s ways are not like man’s – He does not renege on His Word. Man chose kings instead of Him to rule over them.
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G.E.R
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:06pmHis words are the words of man. Everything in that wordy poorly written book comes from man and is nothing but fiction.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:06pmOh I see GER…you got taken to the woodshed so all of sudden..God’s got nothing to do with this?
You brought him up..remember?
So leave your indoctrinated and ingrained liberal hate of christians out of an appalling tragedy and spare us your bile you bleating cretin.
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searching for the Truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:13pmThere could be no words to express sorrow to their loved ones – they can not go to them, but they will be waiting in Heaven for their loved ones to come to them.
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searching for the Truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:19pmEven those whose parents did not believe.
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G.E.R
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:23pmI don’t hate christians. It’s their stupid ideology that’s annoying and obsolete.
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Rodeoamy
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:34pmThank you, Avengerk. Not that God needs defending, but your posts said it for me.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:44pmActually GER…Luke’s Gospel is very well written, his Greek is impecable in fact. His historicity is so good that it has been ahead of known archeology at times. Bear in mind..his first language is Aramaic/Hebrew.
Is your hate for Christians so intense that you resort to churlish insults of texts you clearly know nothing about? Apparently so.
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G.E.R
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:07pmIf his Greek was so impeccable he would have translated jesus name and the way he died right.
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Raging_Waters
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:14pm@G.E.R.
Epicurus, eh?…
“Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)”
–Acts 17:18-21
Epicureanism:
noun
1. the philosophical system or doctrine of Epicurus, holding that the external world is a series of fortuitous combinations of atoms and that the highest good is pleasure, interpreted as freedom from disturbance or pain.
2. epicurean indulgence or habits.
Stoicism:
noun
1. a systematic philosophy, dating from around 300 b.c., that held the principles of logical thought to reflect a cosmic reason instantiated in nature.
2. conduct conforming to the precepts of the Stoics as repression of emotion and indifference to pleasure or pain.
Wow, there seems to be a lot of Epicureans and Stoics nowadays……
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:37pm@ G.E.R
The bible and ten commandments were written as guides you should read them as they are the guides to what is morally acceptable.
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G.E.R
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:06pmThe bible and the commandments are a work of fiction not a moral guide. To believe that the first members of our species were created out of dirt and divine breath in a garden with a talking snake. That a man at the age of 600 built an ark that could carry 2-7 of every of animal(and they were all within walking distance of this ark) and 8 people took care them all for 150 days is insane
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GoodStuff
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:47pm@G.E.R.
You are storing up wrath upon yourself and you don’t even know it. This ends bad for you.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:09am“I don’t hate christians. It’s their stupid ideology that’s annoying and obsolete.”
I’m not sure you even understand what you are saying. In fact, I know you don’t.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:30pmG.E.R
You repeated Epicurus’ argument on the nonexistence of God. Epicurus set up a false dichotomy to prove that God was either not omnipotent or not benevolent.
Arguing from a free will standpoint Elena2010 refuted that argument. Her exposition was that there was a 3rd explanation defeating Epicurus’s dichotomy argument. To keep bringing up Epicurus’s omnipotence/benevolence dichotomy strawman is disingenuous at this point. After Ep[icurus argument was countered, you retreated to “Actually what I’m saying is there is no god. No divine plan.”
RJJinGadsden gave you an example of what might happen if the was an individual/master computer or God(s) that acted as a benevolent dictator. You ignored it. I think Woodrow Wilson & the author of the book “Philip Dru: Administrator. Story of Tomorrow” would like a benevolent dictator. Sure you would not use the title dictator. That is so passe. And your dictator would not where fatigues like Castro, Ortego or Hugo Chavez. The latter two got the memo & changed to a softer look of of casual wear & suits (Hitler would have done the same if there were polling data to back it up).
The MSM & so many others are so egosyntonic with your current mindset that it is hard for you to question what you believe. So let me 2 quotes.
The government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.
The more planning the state does, the more problematic it is for the individ
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TRILO
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:20pmMy guess is we will learn (unless the pharmaceutical industry gets a gag order) that this killer was on some kind of psychotic drug. Most of which have side effects of homicidal and suicidal thoughts, aggression, hallucinations, and a whole host of other serious and dangerous side effects. People put their kids on these drugs and have no idea of the immediate or long term side effects. If he was on any of these drugs I would hold the drug companies accountable as well. They know the dangers and keep it from the general public.
Another point that NO one is making from the anti gun left or anywhere for that matter – the .223 rifle was in the car. It was not on his person nor was it in the school. There are no accounts of this crazed madman leaving the school and coming back to continue his carnage. Therefore the “assault” rifle was not used at the school.
Another point, the shooter was 20 years old and not old enough to own any of the guns used in this horrible crime. He stole them. It does not matter if he stole them from his mother or from a neighbor down the street or across town. They were illegally in his possession. Somehow this is getting lost in the story. No amount of gun control will stop a criminal from stealing or possessing stolen guns.
Just had a 12 year old in the detention facility that I work at that had a 9mm in his backpack in school that was given to him by an older gang member for safe keeping.
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Al J Zira
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:30pmNo amount of gun control will stop a criminal from stealing or possessing stolen guns.
‘Nough said.
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TheEliteFloorist
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:33pmAlso if they were to completely ban guns and COMPLETELY remove them all(not going to happen btw) There will be more guns the next day immediately following. Guns are not all that hard to make. Neither is ammunition. Guns will never be be completely done away with. Might as well learn to use them to protect your family, friends and self.
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Dudemau
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:20pmWhat? He was being treated by Psyches? Didn’t see that one coming. It’s not about good wishes and hoping the families can get through it it’s about cutting the funding to this cult called psychiatry. These killers kill AFTER they are put on medication, never before. 2 + 2 = psychiatry kills. Literally.
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Elena2010
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:34pmIt really does depend on the nature of the problem. If it is a brain chemistry issue (we live in an imperfect world), the meds can and do make people functional again.
If it’s a case of medicate the kid instead of teaching him how to behave, then you could be quite right.
So far as I am aware, there are no meds for autism. Depending on the personality disorder, meds vary. I have a friend who is bi-polar. When she is on her meds, she is quite competent. When she’s off them, she’s a train wreck.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:19pmI’m interested in seeing which nasty troll doesn’t post anymore.
Know what I mean?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:22pmHi MONK, yes I do know what you mean.
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Stelex
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:23pmI only get on once in a while, but I haven’t seen JZS in a long time. Don’t miss it either
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:28pmSTELEX, His absence has been a mystery to more than one of us.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:20pmhi MONK The trolls are having wild Troll-gasms today it seems! They have converged on the Blaze today like locusts!
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Mother of JZS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:22pmDagnabit you guys. my sonny boy JZS was on a camping trip with some wanker named guy and never returned. have some impathy and leave his memarys alone. im still hear and watcing and will curse all of yall 4ever.
Love,
Your Mother
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MrKnowItAll
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:13pmPlenty to BLAME: No Positive Role Models. Religion HATER’S Everywhere. Abortion on Demand. Slaps on the Wrists for Movie and Sports Stars. (Even for Rape and Murder). Parents or Parent who finds no time for what they Produced. Secretary’s of State that make statements as…”We Came, We Saw, He Died!”. AND Finally Ourselves. For allowing this to continue. WE MUST BEGIN TO CALL OUT EVIL!!!!!
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aproudinfidel
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:13pmThe evening news just started with a story about this horrific shooting. The spokesman from CT started with “Evil has visited us today…”. I would amend that to “Mental illness visited us today…”. This was not the action of an evil person. The perpetrator today was deeply, deeply disturbed. Let’s try to keep that in mind while every gun in America is blamed for this tragedy.
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Elena2010
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:29pmInfidel — this is the kind of thinking that has brought us to this day.
Evil is real. Denying it does not make it go away; it makes it act out more easily.
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GoodStuff
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:48pm“This was not the action of an evil person.”
Your mind is lost.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:07pmToo save a few bucks , Ronald Reagan released all the Nuts .
Soon they started breeding and living next to them wasn’t to pleasing .
With all the libs pleasantly screaming …
More NUTS for us..! AND No GUNS for you..!
I sure wished Reagan – Would have thought that one through..!
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forthepeople
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:17pmHow come its always someone else fault ?
What happen to ‘ personal responsibility ‘ ?
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Eastinfection
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:33pmReagan did that to appease the left because they thought insane asylums were inhuman.
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Elena2010
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:38pmUnfortunately, “No Child Left Behind” doubled down on it.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:25pmExcuse me, but it was the courts, our favorite group for going over the people’s will, that let them out. Worse decision ever made for those with pysch problems, and that is where serious homelessness began. State hospitals were closed, only a few remain in California, for those who “volunteer” or are proven a danger to themselves or others-and that get’s pretty iffy-take meds, get out, stop taking meds become a danger. Screwed up system, thanks judges.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:28pmEastinfection
Reagan & his time as governor. We have to have a score card on that & list reason of both side of the argument at the time. The liberals bring it up all the time. When that Japanese American woman was stabbed a few years back at a train station in California by another woman, a crazy one, Liberals were blaming Reagan.
Especially if you have a liberal that has gone to college or had been around for while & has this stuff on index cards or a file system. They live for this stuff.
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wowjustwow
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:06pmIt was called “deinstitutionalization” and I think it was meant to be a positive thing. The problem was that most of the people released had nowhere to go and ended up as very dangerous homeless people on the streets of large cities.
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iampraying4u
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:15pmBushes fault
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HelloWorld
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:56pmThe fact that this young man shot his mother in the face says a great deal. Again, no warning to the masses that he was a danger to himself or others. If he has mental illness and got involved with drugs that is all you need know. Also, he is over the age of 18 which makes him an adult and very difficult to get help in the mental health arena if he refuses it.
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TheReaper123
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:55pmThese shooter prey on the innocent and unarmed. We put our kids safety in the hands
of the Teachers and the School to keep them safe.
All school districts should encourage Teachers and Administrators to be armed. This
would deter any violence and mitigate any attack.
Staying proactive instead of reacting after the
fact is the only way to protect our kids.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:54pmOh, boy. I’m surprised they haven’t painted the shooter and family as ex military with dps or spd or ptds or whatever it is.
Come on, y’all. Are you aware that in China today a man murdered 20+ children with a knife.
Oh, boy, there go our kitchen knives and our kids toy guns. The owo folks (satan’s own) are on a roll.
TIME TO STAND, AMERICANS, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. PRAY NOW. PRAY HARD WITHOUT CEASING.
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:32pmIn fact, the knife-wielding Chinese maniac to whom you refer injured but did not kill some 22 or 23 victims.
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Marine25
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:48pmAs long as we rightfully expect journalists to get the facts straight, we should try to do the same. 22 kids were wounded in Beijing today by an attacker wielding a knife. No one was murdered. No news organization is saying anyone was murdered in the Beijing attack. I know it would fit your ‘knives are as deadly as firearms’ better if there were fatalities, but thankfully, there were not. If the attacker had used an automatic weapon I think the story may have ended more in line with your erroneous assessment.
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strawberry411a
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:28pmWow. Big word for a liberal Marine.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:31pmSorry, y’all…. I jumped to the conclusion that the children in China were killed because that is what I read, perhaps incorrectly, posted on another trustworthy news site. I was being facetious about their taking our knives away from us, but its’ really not that far off do you think? It seems incredible to me that in both our countries so far apart, almost the same exact number of persons were killed / injured in attacks by ONE man with serious problems and no one could stop either man until something or someone finally did. Coincidence?
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GoodStuff
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:50pm@Marine25
” I know it would fit your ‘knives are as deadly as firearms’ better if there were fatalities”
You’re right, no one has ever died from knives.
You’re no Marine, stop pretending to be.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:54pmPersonality disorder huh? His parents probably told him he was perfect and could do no wrong,the whole self esteem BS mania that infected society. Prisons are full of sociopaths with high self esteem and that nut was a sociopath.
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Stelex
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:12pmAgreed, you can do no wrong as a child, get a trophy for showing up, never feel the ramifications of your actions…….now lets enter the real world. These Prog idiots are creating these killers. Then they blame the gun. A lump of metal that does nothing without human intervention. Progs are the enemy at the within and the are gaining traction.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:19pmAnd the shoe drops…another mentally ill individual goes on a killing spree. Rather than taking a cold hard look at mental illness (sit down MONICNE/ENCINOM/KREGNEVA/SLEAZY HIPPO I’m not speaking specifically about your case right now) the liberal trolls here- and everywhere- want to begin banning guns once again. Rather than address the problem..liberals like to just take “stuff” away from you..money, guns, freedom..etc.
Heck Obama even hinted at it today in his crocodile tear speech (I wonder if he cried like that for Ambassador Stevens, Ty Woods and the two other Americans he allowed to die at the hands of terrorists in Benghazi?). Thankfully…a lot of democrat congressmen come from states who’s citizens like their guns, so Obama will have very little luck with that one.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:30pmSTELEX..this goes deeper than a coddled society. We need to examine serious mental illness and how we treat it in this country (I said sit down MONICNE) without being afraid to do so.
These kinds of tragedies are not some punk going into a liquor store with a fenced weapon…these are the delusions and compulsions of profoundly troubled individuals snapping at the distorted world in their heads. It’s a progressive slide into this kind of explosion of violence. The problem is mental illness and how we as a society want to approach it, not guns. Millions of Americans have guns..millions of Americans don’t behave like this.
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NotAGolfer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:17pmI’ll eat my hat if the murder isn’t linked to prescription drugs pushed by the colluding partners, Big Pharma and their pals in Big Government, who write regulations that institutionalize and push these substances. Anti-depressants aren’t the only psychiatric drugs that ruin lives, either. We should get the word out, as Obama tries to blame this whole thing on guns, rather than the increasing power of govt over healthcare:
http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/07/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection-2417899.html
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:55pmDoesn’t it bother you we have one in the White House ?
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TrueColours
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:53pmThe 2nd amendment isn’t responsible for that. This is a sad, sad day. The gross hypocrisy of this POTUS to come out with fake tears and hel** bent on unilaterally banning AR-15s (the shooter left HIS MOTHERS AR-15 in the car!) is sickening. Just like “they acted stupidly”. I for one am sick of this authoritarian fascist taking our liberties away at every opportunity and tragedy. Total political exploitation. This POTUS is the same guy who has been killing innocent men, women and children abroad by Drone for the last 4 years. This is the same guy who ordered and is to this day covering his but* on the Fast & Furious scandal that killed hundreds of Mexicans and border patrol agents. The 2nd amendment protects us from enemies foreign and domestic (tyrants). This gutless wonder will be playing golf in Hawaii very shortly and thinking about the coming invasion of Syria predicated on the false flag event his CIA spawned Al Qaeda “Syrian Freedom Fighters” will commit.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:26pmHaven’t we seen similar before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnQ0g4BhHss
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P4cooler
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:50pmI wish and hope that the love energy from the millions of people around the world helps the families in this situation heal and know there is nothing stronger than our God created human heart.
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Stelex
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:49pmWell lets kill two birds with one stone. Gun control and Eugenics ……not to mention “educating the public to see possible signs” . Yes, I would feel much safer in a society of armchair psychologists, reporting my every miss step to the government. As we know people are un biased and would ultimately give a totally objective view of there fellow persons. Folks, they are gonna use this one……its the perfect scenario for the progs. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Its not the parents fault, its not societies fault, its never govs fault……its the gun. The gun did it.
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gyro
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:46pmI dont know what to say
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Stelex
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:51pmWell just pray you’re not ever diagnosed with the slightest mental anomally. Or you’ll make the list.
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Polarized America
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:01pmWhen john wayne gacy got busted i said to myself… “nothing shocks me anymore”
…………………………………………………..i was wrong…………………………………..
my God…i have two grand-kids ages 5 & 7 ..i can’t imagine the pain of the family’s :(
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:33pmPOLARIZED AMERICA, well before his execution in ’94 we had to study him during one of the courses I took. If you think that you can’t be shocked, look up Ed Gein.
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Polarized America
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:40pmRJJ…yes i saw a show about that guy……excuse me now .. i need to puke
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