Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School — Gunman, Children Dead

Adults escort young children through a parking lot after reports of a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. (Photo credit: Newtown Bee/Shannon Hicks)
UPDATES:
8:30 p.m. ABC News reports that the gunman’s mother was teacher’s aide at school and not a teacher, according to officials. AP still reporting that Adam Lanza’s mother was a teacher at the school.
6:07 p.m. AP reports an official says gunman’s brother, Ryan Lanza, not believed to have any involvement in shooting rampage.
5:20 p.m. CNN reports suspect’s mother found dead at her son’s residence in Newtown — not in a classroom as previously reported. There was no body found at a home searched in Hoboken, N.J.
4:23 p.m. Fox News reports Adam Lanza may have been carrying his brother’s ID, leading to initial confusion.
4:16 p.m. Associated Press:
Law enforcement: Suspect in Connecticut shootings is Adam Lanza, 20, son of teacher who is presumed dead.
Suspected shooter’s 24-year-old brother Ryan, of Hoboken, N.J., is being questioned.
4:07 p.m. Fox News reports the alleged shooter’s name is Adam Lanza, not Ryan Lanza. They are brothers.
3:44 p.m. Connecticut police Lt. Paul Vance: 20 children, six adults killed, plus the shooter and one additional individual at a separate location. Vance said the shootings were confined to “one section of the school in two rooms.”
3:38 p.m. Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy says what happened today “will leave a mark on this community and every family impacted.” Confirms perpetrator is dead, “as is an individual who the perpetrator lived with.”
3:10 p.m. Obama issues presidential proclamation ordering all flags be flown at half-staff until Dec. 18.
2:57 p.m. AP reports shooting suspect’s younger brother is being held by police.
2:53 p.m. NBC News reports second family member of gunman found shot in Newtown, Conn. home, not in Hoboken, N.J. as previously reported.
2:47 p.m. President Barack Obama to speak at 3:15 p.m.
2:43 p.m. Police identify gunman as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza.
2:31 p.m. NBC News reports alleged shooter’s mother was a teacher at the elementary school and was among the dead.
2:20 p.m. CNN reports suspected shooter’s name is Ryan Lanza.
2:16 p.m. NBC News reports alleged shooter’s parent found dead in New Jersey home.
2:09 p.m. NBC’s Andrea Mitchell: “Gun violence has been epidemic in this country.”
2:00 p.m. White House: Today is not the day to talk about gun control.
1:58 p.m. CBS News: Body found at home connected to shooter.
1:47 p.m. Student describes terrifying experience inside school: “I heard…seven loud booms…so we all huddled.”
1:44 p.m. Connecticut police confirmed there were “several fatalities at the scene,” including students and staff, but did not provide an exact number. The scene is secure and search warrants are currently being executed.
1:37 p.m. NBC News reports a second person is in custody in connection with the shooting.
1:29 p.m. AP reports the suspect was a “20-year-old man with ties to the school,” law enforcement official says.
The official said that a gun used in the attacks is a .223-caliber rifle. The official also said that New Jersey state police are searching a location in that state in connection with the shootings.
1:18 p.m. CNN reports principal, school psychologist killed.
12:56 p.m. Fox News reports shooter was wearing a military vest.
12:54 p.m. Associated Press reports 27 dead, including 18 children.
12:44 p.m. CBS News reports at least 27 dead.
12:36 p.m. The Hartford Courant reports at least 20 people have been shot, multiple dead.
12:32 p.m. ABC News reports at least 12 dead.
11:49 a.m. The Hartford Courant is reporting there are multiple fatalities, including children, at an elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn. The exact number of deaths is unknown.
NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) — A man opened fire Friday inside the Connecticut elementary school where his mother worked as a teacher, killing 26 people, including 20 children, as youngsters cowered in their classrooms and trembled helplessly to the sound of gunfire reverberating through the building.
The killer, armed with two handguns, committed suicide and another person was found dead at a second scene, bringing the toll to 28, authorities said.
The attack, coming less than two weeks before Christmas, was the nation’s second-deadliest school shooting, exceeded only by the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead in 2007.
Panicked parents raced to Sandy Hook Elementary School, about 60 miles northeast of New York City, looking for their children. Students were told to close their eyes by police as they were led from the building.
Schoolchildren – some crying, others looking frightened – were escorted through a parking lot in a line, hands on each other’s shoulders.

Photo: Hartford Courant
“Our hearts are broken today,” a tearful President Barack Obama, struggling to maintain composure, said at the White House. He called for “meaningful action” to prevent such shootings.
Youngsters and their parents described teachers locking doors and ordering the children to huddle in the corner or hide in closets when shots echoed through the building. Authorities said the shootings took place in two rooms, but they gave no details on exactly how they unfolded.
A law enforcement official identified the gunman as 20-year-old Adam Lanza, the son of a teacher. A second law enforcement official said his mother, Nancy Lanza, was presumed dead.
Adam Lanza’s older brother, 24-year-old Ryan, of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, the first official said. Earlier, a law enforcement official mistakenly identified Ryan as the shooter.
Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the unfolding investigation.
The gunman drove to the school in his mother’s car, the second official said. Three guns were found – a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car.
Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey, the official also said.

Photo: Hartford Courant
Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher.
“That’s when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door,” he said. “He was very brave. He waited for his friends.”
He said the shooter didn’t utter a word.
Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter was in the school and heard two big bangs. Teachers told her to get in a corner, he said.
“It’s alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America,” he said. His daughter was fine.
Mergim Bajraliu, 17, heard the gunshots echo from his home and ran to check on his 9-year-old sister at the school. He said his sister, who was fine, heard a scream come over the intercom at one point. He said teachers were shaking and crying as they came out of the building.
“Everyone was just traumatized,” he said.
Mary Pendergast, who lives close to the school, said her 9-year-old nephew was in the school at the time of the shooting, but wasn’t hurt after his music teacher helped him take cover in a closet.
Richard Wilford’s 7-year-old son, Richie, is in the second grade at the school. His son told him that he heard a noise that “sounded like what he described as cans falling.”
The boy told him a teacher went out to check on the noise, came back in, locked the door and had the kids huddle up in the corner until police arrived.
“There’s no words,” Wilford said. “It’s sheer terror, a sense of imminent danger, to get to your child and be there to protect him.”
On Friday afternoon, family members were led away from a firehouse that was being used as a staging area, some of them weeping. One man, wearing only a T-shirt without a jacket, put his arms around a woman as they walked down the middle of the street, oblivious to everything around them.
Another woman with tears rolling down her face walked by carrying a car seat with a young infant inside and a bag that appeared to have toys and stuffed animals.
The shootings instantly brought to mind episodes such as the Columbine High School massacre that killed 15 in 1999 and the July shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., that left 12 dead.
“You go to a movie theater in Aurora and all of a sudden your life is taken,” Columbine principal Frank DeAngelis said. “You’re at a shopping mall in Portland, Ore., and your life is taken. This morning, when parents kissed their kids goodbye knowing that they are going to be home to celebrate the holiday season coming up, you don’t expect this to happen. I think as a society, we need to come together. It has to stop, these senseless deaths.”
Obama’s comments on the tragedy amounted to one of the most outwardly emotional moments of his presidency.
“The majority of those who died were children – beautiful, little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old,” Obama said.
He paused for several seconds to keep his composure as he teared up and wiped an eye. Nearby, two aides cried and held hands as they listened to Obama.
“They had their entire lives ahead of them – birthdays, graduations, wedding, kids of their own,” Obama continued about the victims. “Among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children.”
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Comments (819)
plastinoid
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:10pmIt’s time to ban all blue liberal states, all of these shootings have a liberal blue state connection…………it’s time to outlaw blue liberal states, they kill people!
OutOfTheAether
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:21pmjust have this nagging eerie feeling that if you get enough of these “episodes” happening across the country, you could have the makings of a Black Swan event. hmmmmm
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faddessi
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:23pmYou are an animal! I say that and I apologize to all actual animals for lumping you in with them.
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cessna152
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:25pmI thought it was a “Gun free zone”? There are signs, laws and stiff fines and penalties that these zones are OFF limits to criminals with guns. How could this happen, there was a sign stating “gun free zone”?
I just don’t understand it… maybe the sign needs to be in 4 different languages? Maybe there needs to be BIGGER and more signs? Maybe we need to paint lines on the ground where the gun free zone starts and ends that would end the confusion. Once again, I don’t understand how a criminal with a gun would disobey all those signs and laws…I just don’t get it.
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:30pmIt is time for Texas to break away from the other 49 states. I hope and pray.
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WINNEBAGOMAN
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:39pm@CESSNA152: Spot on!
You know this is fodder for the anti-gun folks. And you already hit the nail on the head!!! Good work man!
On a more somber note, I want to add: God bless those children and that community.
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black9897
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:40pm@CESSNA152
I don’t understand either. If a sign clearly states this area is gun free then that should be enough. Maybe the people who are doing this can’t read. We need pictures, illustrations that show an area is gun free; maybe even recordings that play over and over…that would certainly do the trick.
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sillyfreshness
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:47pmFirst off, you know the “chosen people” Marxist Media will somehow tie the Tea Party to this event. What I don’t understand is how almost everyday there is some sort of mass shooting going on. They have been ramping up over the years. Now it’s to the point where it’s nearly everyday. I’m wondering if the government doesn’t have a black ops program to get random people to go on shooting sprees all as a way to ban the 2nd Amendment. I wouldn’t put it past them.
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jhrusky
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:00pmWhy do these things seem to happen in groups of 2 or 3? Second one in as many days — suspecting another will happen over the weekend. And even moreso, the shooter almost always dies … usually suicide, sometimes ‘suicide by cop’. Something’s not right here … Manchurian Candidates? Makes me wonder what gun legislation is about to be introduced or is currently under the radar?
All that aside, my prayers go out to those families who lost children :(
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:06pm27 are dead including 18 children. Expect some sort of gun ban.
It won’t matter how many times the police, prosecutors or judges dropped the ball.
It doesn’t matter that he could have taken a car or other vehicle & ran over kids waiting to get on the bus after school.
It won’t matter if he was on drugs that we are told are harmless. I looked up Kush because of someone’s post name. It is a more potent from of marijuana. People in the forum were going on about how it made them paranoid. Although people said it went away after continued worse.
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:09pmSome reports state that the shooter was 20 years old from New Jersey and father of one of the kids? I thought NJ had really strict gun control?
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:14pmThis is what happens when you gather children together and have NO ONE ARMED to protect them.
Make every school have armed teachers and guards
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:17pmAlthough, if he was 20 years old and was the father of one of the students he would have had to have fathered the child when he was 14? 15? years old. Children start kindergarten at around 5 yrs old where I am from.
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RANGER1965
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:17pmIt’s coming folks.
Public opinion regarding guns will begin to swing hard left. Demand for legislation will increase.
I think that rather than go after guns directly Obama will do the same things to guns as he has done to power plants. Make the costs so prohibitive that it makes it very hard to purchase or own a gun.
A federal ammunition tax is likely within the next 4 weeks.
encinom
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:21pmNo, its time to ban guns, period. The NRA is the largest terrorist organization in this country, they have too much blood of too many innocent victims on their hands. Their dogmatic belief in the 2nd Amendment is killing American children.
BenKatz
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:22pm@plastinoid
Children are dead and the first thing you do is spout the same, tired b.s.
Can you maybe just give it a rest for five minutes and mourn for these poor people?
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banjarmon
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:24pm@cessna152
Well said!!
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biohazard23
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:25pmOh my Lord… God bless the victims and their families. All those poor children…. WTF kind of person DOES that sort of thing??? Evil walks amongst us, folks. My heart is just breaking….
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:28pm@Ranger, or EPA regulation, OSHA regulation, ATF Regulation. Agency law doesn’t need the house to approve it. Watch this cause ammunition and firearms sales to skyrocket even faster.
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momrules
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:28pmHow can this be explained way? This is so horrible. I just pray for those who lost someone in this latest act of evil.
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Polarized America
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:29pm.
a second person ( shooter ) ,,could be terrorism……
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rose-ellen
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:30pmamericanism-the religion of peace.
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pandora665
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:30pmAbsolutely tragic situation, of course gun control debate will be sparked again, but can we at least take a bit of time to ponder the loss of so many lives?
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getitgotitgood
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:30pmThis is nothing, in the next year this country will be involved in all out war fare. Blood is going to be running in the streets in every city in america. This president obama is damn set on killing as many americans as possible.
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VanceUppercut
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:32pmLet me guess–this isn’t the right time to start talking about sensible gun control? Just like it wasn’t the right time after Aurora, CO, or after the mall shooting just days ago. Come on everybpdy, let’s sing it together:
And I’m proud to be an American/Where at least I know I’m free!
And I won’t forget the men who died/Who gave that right to me!
Sigh.
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BrownBear
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:32pm@ ENCINOM
“No, its time to ban guns, period. ”
Check the headline in China today. “22 Children slashed with knife”. That’s on the heels of another school slasher incident. This isn’t a gun problem, this is an epidemic of evil.
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cessna152
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:33pm@RANGER1965,
Nope, they’ll demonize, slander and convince the public (the MSM, administration and gun grabbers) that gun owners are greedy, hideous, racist, right wing, crazy nut jobs that are afraid of the poor. First they must severely assault our integrity, discredit our morals, values and most importantly our character, then tear us apart making us look like crazy A-holes.
If they push the case this guy was a LEGAL gun owner with a “clean” history, then I know it’s a complete set up by these evil (yes, evil) people in society. Think about it, their agenda has one thing in their way…armed citizens. These people are hard core Marxist/Nazis/Muslims and they can taste total control. They’ll do it by ANY means possible means….even this! Top down, bottom up up plea bye parents.
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mikem1969
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:33pmcesna, you are correct, but CRIMINALS don’t obey sings or laws, so it does not good.
Ranger, you are correct as well, the left will push hard for more gun laws, once again restricting the law abiding citizens while in no way changing anything for the criminals. The left just does not get the fact that a CRIMINAL by definition does not abide by the law and never will.
Now on to you encinijerk. Banning guns will do nothing to stop criminals from getting them and killing people, in fact as has been proven in places with super strict gun laws, chicrapo and ny, for example, gun and violent crimes GO UP. So let’s just make it easy for the thugs to come into your home while you and your family are home with a gun, rape, and kill all of you when you have no way to defend yourself. Moron.
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jhrusky
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:33pm@ encinom
Why are you so blind to the issue that it’s not the gun that is the cause or problem?
This is what crazies do when guns are outlawed: http://tinyurl.com/d5skshe
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micko77
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:35pmThis is not a response to a specific post; rather, a comment on the amount of time and energy wasted on disavowing racists in the Tea Party, arguing with idiots as it were. Will there be gun control efforts? Likely, but that was going to happen anyway. What gets my goat is the media and the anti-gun crowd who will dance in the blood of these innocents to advance their cause. Let’s pray for the souls of the departed, and the families and friends of all involved in the shooting instead. Yes, that includes any shooters. Their souls need more help, one would think. Peace be with you.
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brother_ed
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:35pmThe sooner we recognize that Satan is our enemy the sooner we can fix the problem.
True, Satan may have an influence on the Progressive Party, Communists or whomever, but he can also deceive the ‘very elect’.
The sooner we turn to God, and stop making generalized statements regarding a certain party, the better off we will be.
These things are happening more rapidly now because the spirit of darkness is growing. They will continue to happen faster until we ‘tun on the light’.
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Max jones
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:38pmTastes like manchurian drug therapy……tastes more like it with every one of these goofy shootings.
I do not trust The bastards….globalist ….stinkin’ cold hearted lyin’ killers at all. I see conspiracies and nefarious underhanded, back door dealin’ in everything Bah Rahk has anything to do with. Lord, help me!!!!
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jcldwl
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:39pm@silly and JH
I’m there with you on those thoughts. I have been for a while. Don’t forget that soldier who for some odd reason left the post in Iraq or it may have been afghanistan and shot several civilians. Could have easily been a mind control test. After learning the things we have learned about this current administration nothing would surprise me. They do know the only way they will take our guns is to turn the majority of the citizenry against them. What better way to do it than something like this. Don’t forget fast and furious and don’t forget the rule from Cass Sunstein. “Call it a conspiracy even if it is true.” Oh and don’t forget how many people died that surrounded the Clinton’s as well. These are all evil maniacal people that will stop at nothing to meet their ends. Remember they worship the ideology of The ends justifies the means. We are in a world being ruled by followers of Satan. The only one that can truly save us is Jesus Christ. Turn to him for salvation and spread the word so that others may be saved as well. God watch over the survivors and the family members of those lost at the hands of this maniac. Give them peace and understanding. Amen.
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cessna152
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:40pmGood points Mick.
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Glith
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:41pmViolent acts such as this and of this magnitude are unavoidable given the free ownership of guns in this country. They will deniy it, but advocates of open gun ownership have made a moral choice: their right to have guns without restrictions is so important that even if it leads to mass shootings of children, it’s worth it to them. Every gun owner in this country had his finger on the trigger of that gun today.
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:42pmAlso, If he was 20 years old he couldn’t legally purchase a handgun. You have to be 21 to buy a handgun, if pistols are what he used. Which means that he obtained the firearms illicitly, or via fraud.
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encinom
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:42pmjhrusky
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:33pm
@ encinom
Why are you so blind to the issue that it’s not the gun that is the cause or problem?
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Cause you only get 27 dead with fire arms. This was an act of NRA sponsored terrorism. This one organization’s religious zeal and dogma is the cause for more innocent blood on the streets than any other group.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:42pmMSNBC host Alex Wagner opined that this shooting must yield policy makers in Washington some “political capital” to introduce reform American gun ownership laws.
This is why are hackles are up whenever wee hear of a shooting
“Katherine Ann Power participated in robberies at a Massachusetts National Guard armory and a bank in Brighton, Massachusett” Take guns & people will obtain from the government & commit crimes. Power is okay because she is cool like Bill Ayers.
There was also a robbery of an Indian armory in the 1930s, by bank robbers in order to obtain M1 Garands
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CatB
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:45pmTime to bad … gun free zones … or as I prefer to call them “sitting duck zones” …
Prayers for those killed and wounded and their families and for those who witnessed this horror .. this is so sad .. and need not have been this bad.
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smv803
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:45pmGee, Could it be that the plan all along is to build the case for gun control? Look where these events take place…. Gun banning states. You would think that they would plan for something to take place in a state where the Second Amendment thrives. They came for them, who is next?
My sympathy and condolences to the families of these innocent children of God, that for whatever reason, were taken from us….God rest their souls.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:49pmYep, another 20 year old with a gun killing innocent people and Children.
Do you hear that Trollmonger?????
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:49pmIt is the LIBERALS that enable this situation to happen to begin with. I just did a video on this very subject and here is the LINK http://youtu.be/S2_c2BzzyzE
For some reason my words do not match my mouth and this is the 1st time that has ever happened on youtube. I want all of your comments on my comment section on my youtube video
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Pork_Anvil
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:50pmTea Party related, sources are confirming.
Vilgax
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:50pmI thought of that too but it just isn’t true. Gabby Giffords was shot in Arizona. So your idea does not really work. It’s always horrible when children are victims. All you can do is shake your head and ask why. Guns are not the issue because there are way more guns in ownership than crimes committed. In fact, guns are more responsible for deterring crimes than not. “When seconds count, the police are just minutes away” and all that. You can’t regulate human behavior. There are people out there who are crazy. The best way to prevent this kind of crazy is by restoring goodness and morality to our country. But good luck in 2013. The wrong people are regulating life in America and the agenda is the opposite of what it should be. I am ripped up inside for the families that are now without a child. It is so awful. But you will see pandemonium now coming from the left about guns and you will see the same gun rhetoric from the NRA and meanwhile, we’ll still buy guns and use them responsibly, while crazy people are running around loose.
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Starkadder
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:52pmAs more of these occur, I can’t help but begin to think that perhaps some of these are false flag attacks by Manchurian Candidates. I get the sinking feeling these are pre-programmed CIA plants carrying out these atrocities in order to capitalize on the tragedy and disarm the American Citizen.
Go ahead, call me paranoid.
Wanna bet he DID NOT smoke marijuana?
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Locked
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:53pm@SMV803
“Could it be that the plan all along is to build the case for gun control?”
Get your conspiracy theories out of here. No, the government is not hiring Americans to shoot other Americans to build a case for outlawing guns.
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bbdarthchris077
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:53pmhttp://www.wnd.com/2007/04/40888/#ixzz1bGeUsh1e
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:54pmIsn’t it interesting how the left is so concerned about the guns in America and politicizing that issue BUT they voted for Obama who has expanded the usage of drones to 6 countries including Pakistan. Those drone strike, authorized by their POTUS has killed 178 children to date.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-greenwald/us-drone-strikes-are-caus_b_2224627.html
So, let’s call hypocrisy where it should be called. Obama has killed more children than this gunman ever could.
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My Two Cents
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:54pmGLITH: Tell it to the 77 people killed in Norway. Their laws are some of the strictest on the planet and it didn’t help them. One teacher with a CHL could have saved lives were it legal to carry on school property.
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Mrmacson
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:54pmIt has ready been mentioned, but armed security guards are needed in all public places to protect what is precious and valuable.
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kadster01
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:56pm@JHRUSKY
“Something’s not right here … Manchurian Candidates?”
You’d be called a kook for even suggesting it, but I must be honest that I’ve wondered the exact same thing. I don’t put anything past the government anymore.
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jhrusky
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:04pm@ encinom
“Cause you only get 27 dead with fire arms.”
Really? You think if someone wanted to create havoc and kill bunch of people, and guns were not available, and they were too wimpy to try and use a knife, sword, hammer, shovel, or anything up close and personal, they wouldn’t resort to, say, a homemade bomb? Seems you can kill and mame a lot of people with one of those, and instructions on how to make one are rather readily available right here on this little ‘ol internet (unless you want to give control of that to the UN?)
” This was an act of NRA sponsored terrorism.”
No, it was an act of cowardice and criminal insanity. We need to start calling it what it is. Get rid of guns and insane people like this WILL resort to the same sort of bombings you see in other countries and 27 then we’ll wish there were only 27 dead!
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kadster01
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:05pm@LOCKED
“Get your conspiracy theories out of here. No, the government is not hiring Americans to shoot other Americans to build a case for outlawing guns.”
And you are an authority on the subject…..how? I don’t think a random poster on theBlaze is going to put my suspicions to rest.
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:11pmThe Fascists will use the tragic death of children to strip the god given rights of their fellow citizens.
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Kumo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:11pmOh come on… really? a bigger sign? Concrete walls, razor wire, security checkpoints and bigger guns stop people, not some silly sign.
The Reasonable Solution:
Proper education on gun safety and responsible firearm ownership is what is needed. Educate gun owners that it is not okay to take out your frustrations/anger on innocent civilians and that there are healthier and constructive avenues of dealing with anger, going for a walk, going fishing or working on a hobby.
What Will Likely Happen:
Banning firearms won’t be the answer to this problem, especially since it would be a major risk to personal and public security. However, now that many Americans are afraid of guns, I have a bad feeling that this is what is incoming. Sadly, I see guns disappearing from retailers within the next year and authorities going door to door to confiscate both registered and unregistered weapons. Once the majority of firearms are out of civilian hands, it could pave a clear path to the death of America and the forced introduction of a new hardline fascist state.
I am not downplaying the deaths of these innocent children, believe me I am really sickened and pissed off about it and my thoughts and prayers go out to their families during these very dark times. May God always watch over and protect them.
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jhrusky
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:13pm@ mrmacson
“It has ready been mentioned, but armed security guards are needed in all public places to protect what is precious and valuable.”
No. That image is not a comforting one. I do not want to walk around seeing armed guards everywhere as that is not freedom. We need concealed carry allowed by responsible citizens. In a country of 330 million people, someone is going to go off the deep end at times and do horrible things, there is no way around this. I believe it’s already proven that in most cases, criminals are wusses and will NOT attack anyone if they think they might be harmed themselves. If such a criminal does not know who is/is not carrying, they are more apt to pass by. Now, this won’t help with someone who has lost their senses and want to kill people, but neither will posting armed guards everywhere.
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biohazard23
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:13pmIt’s funny, when you hear of someone deliberately driving his car into a crowd or shoving an innocent man onto the subway tracks, you don’t hear the whiners on the left screaming to ban cars and subways…. They’ll never understand.
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momrules
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:13pmGLITH…………You and people like you are idiots. This evil act will be used to try and demonize guns and gun owners, that is a fact. If anything you libs who kill thousands of children daily with state sanctioned murder/abortion caused this by cheapening life. The blood of these dead children are more on your hands than on the hands of gun owners.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:15pmThe Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured
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Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:15pm@ ENCINOM
No no no. The problem is a morality problem. Kids used to carry squirrel rifles to class. China just reported 22 killed with a knife. Are you going to ban baseball bats? Tire irons? Rocks? Martial Arts? Its the absence of morality my friend. All nations that forget God will be turned into hell. I know that offends you folks on the left but there isn’t another answer.
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Durtypoon
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:23pmThis is a sad and tragic event – much like any spree-killing or any loss of life at the hands of a mad-man.
Having said that, making guns illegal and further crapping on the constitution and stripping away NON-VIOLENT, hard working, God-fearing americans of their freedoms will not put a stop to gun related violence.
Criminals do not have to go down and apply for a license to own a gun. It has been statistically proven that its easier to get a gun ILLEGALLY than it is to get on legally, but guess what? Criminals ARE NOT obeying the law.
So sure – restrict NON-VIOLENT, hard working, God-fearing americans of their freedoms – the ones who if were in an ear-shot of this psyco would’ve emptied their clip into his skull – thus putting a stop to his rampage.
It’s an elementary school, i seriously doubt they even have an armed police officer patrolling the halls.
Having said that, again – This is horrible. Sad. Creepy, and down right plain disgusting.
But dont hate people for looking at the “Bigger picture” here. It is only natural after 4 years of being labeled “insensitive” and etc – the left, and this administration has attacked the right (conservatives) – hell if any of us call ourselves “republicans” anymore for SO LONG… its hard not to by a little by cynical..
But trust me – everybody is horrified by these events, its just hard not to see the “Writing on the wall” and not want to prevent it.
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poorrichard09
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:25pmIt seems like the nut jobs really come out this time of year. Unfortunately, there will probably be more of this.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:30pmGee if people had jobs they wouldn’t have the time to ruminate on all those little things that irritate them.
YOU LISTENING PRESIDENT OBAMA !!!
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Locked
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:30pm@Kadster
“And you are an authority on the subject…..how? I don’t think a random poster on theBlaze is going to put my suspicions to rest.”
In your own words, you’re a kook. The guy was a white 24-year old, by the way. Seems he offed one of his parents before driving to CT.
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v15
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:32pmOh my gosh this is terrible! I’m still getting the details but I have lost count of all the shootings this year. Obviously gun control isn’t the answer – I agree with everyone on that point. Our parties are beyond corrupt and our society is breaking down. There’s still time to save our country if we go back to the constitution.
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TheArbiter
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:33pmAttention all slime balls politicizing this: people are dead, most of them children, and all you can do is blame libs (duly or unduly)? seriously? how about praying to your so called merciful God for the families instead? You are all more vile than I believed possible.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:36pmBIOHAZARD, You can expect the MSM and I have BSNBC on right now while flipping back and forth to 3 news channels. We’ve read ENCINOM’s response to this and we can expect more to say the same thing, that this is the time to disarm the entire nation. What we can really expect is the MSM to saddle this 24 year old kid’s dead body and rough ride him as a victim to an inanimate object and not describe him as the evil person he had become, to push through any legislation to make the law abiding even more susceptible to being shot and killed by such evil. I expect that members of this administration quietly behind closed doors gleefully popped champagne corks over lunch.
You are right, nothing will be said by these types regarding automobile deaths whether by accident or on purpose, slippery bathtubes, physicians who by accident kill more people in this nation than all shootings regardless also if by accident or on purpose. The perpetrator will not be held accountable for his evil, unless they can finally say that somebody may have seen him at a TEA Party convention. Their reference to the evil will be that of the guns alone. Amazing.
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Soulfire1975
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:42pmAll I can hear is the left screaming gun laws more gun laws. This is happening to much to be a coincidence. I think many of these can be a false flag using Manchurian Candidates.
Every teacher should have a hand gun in their drawer kept in a bio locked hand gun case. The teachers need to be thought on how to use it and how to secure the students.
Just heard there was a gate that was to keep these kinds of people out and was let in. Not sure if it was confirmed yet.
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Libertarian
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:42pmGuns – People say that America could never be disarmed. I would disagree. If America underwent a very tough economic situation where food became hard to come by, guns to the government would be a highly regarded commodity. The government would give large sums of food for gun trade-ins. This is the only foreseeable means to un-arm America. A scary one I see very near on the horizon.
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Soulfire1975
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:45pmencinom
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:42pm
jhrusky
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:33pm
@ encinom
Why are you so blind to the issue that it’s not the gun that is the cause or problem?
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Cause you only get 27 dead with fire arms. This was an act of NRA sponsored terrorism. This one organization’s religious zeal and dogma is the cause for more innocent blood on the streets than any other group.
You are wrong again Enci, people will just make home made bombs happened before. Might want to shut up before you look even more silly
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smv803
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:46pmThese people that commit these heinous crimes have many things in common: All young, All prey on the innocent, all looney. How are they any different than the jihadists? The gunman dies…how do we extract the reasons for the massacre? How very convenient ….. Could it be we are not supposed to find out?
Someone here suggested we should prepare for a third event….I hope not, But it wouldn’t surprise me. This is meant to cause hysteria during a time when people are preoccupied with the holidays. How very sad that these families will always remember this horrific event, especially those directly affected.
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kadster01
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:50pm@LOCKED
“In your own words, you’re a kook. The guy was a white 24-year old, by the way. Seems he offed one of his parents before driving to CT.”
And maybe you just have your head buried in the sand. When we have this sort of administration, which is VERY upfront about taking guns out of the hands of individual owners, I believe pretty much anything is possible. And exactly how does the breaking news about the killers identity and the fact that he killed his parents negate the possibility that people can be brainwashed/manipulated to kill? i don’t care if you call me crazy. I don’t need you to agree.
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Shasta
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:52pm@Ranger, I agree, there will be an ammunition tax shortly. But more anti-gun legislation will soon follow.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:57pmThis is just another step, nay, a leap towards destroying the second amendment. Even though the guy could have killed just as many or more with a samurai sword, maybe more because the sword would make no noise and no one would no to seek an escape, we will soon lose our rights to bear arms if these insane people do not stop doing these horrible things.
Evil spirits posses people do do these things, and taking guns away from righteous people will not stop these things.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:06pmENCINOM — It is not a dogmatic belief that is killing people, it is insane people that are doing the killing. You won’t get guns out of the hands of people like these that commit these crimes, and even if you could they would just find another way to kill. You encinom are in absolutely stupid fool!
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:19pmVanceUppercut
Let me guess–this isn’t the right time to start talking about sensible gun
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So how do you explain this
“Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China: He could have killed with a little more effort.
This is not the worse school incident Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
In that disaster the culprit used 3 bombs & this was before the internet. He also planned to kill rescuers.
Do you have an Answer?
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ashestoashes
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:19pmI had a German tell me after 9/11 that he was going to get the message to the offenders where to attack to get to the heart of America..This was one of the places.. We haven’t heard all the details of the “within days” mall shooting..kept strangely quiet..but most likely the one in Arizona where the lady government official was shot..the one in Colorado for sure..and the one at the syc temple and the shooting at Fort Hood..and for sure this one..psychologists were somehow involved..Communism..demoralize a country from within to take over..prayer out of the schools..Liberal/Communist leanings Teachers unions.Communism…This is what a soldier has said that they are being prepped to do..they will disarm us..they will take over our businesses..just like they did in Russia..Read “Tortured for Christ” This is the video of the soldier talking on the inside..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r1KfGFBDYY
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Locked
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:19pm@Kadster
“i don’t care if you call me crazy. I don’t need you to agree.”
I know. You need the help of a mental health professional.
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:23pmWho exactly are you people praying to? The same god who stood idly by and allowed this to happen? Or do you mean you’re not praying to anyone because your god doesn’t exist in the first place? Is that what you mean?
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:25pmGuns must be taken off the streets. This must end.
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:26pmI’m sure the UN would gladly help us out in disarming our idiots. Our military WILL ALSO follow orders.
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biohazard23
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:28pm@RJ, I swear, my heart is truly breaking over this. I just had lunch with my girls at school today before I heard about this. I cannot imagine what those parents who lost their kids must be feeling. I’m going to hug my Little Man so much tighter tonight. I would hug my girls, too, but they’re with their father this weekend. And you’re right: Jarrett, Mooch, Dear Leader, all of them must have been gleeful at the news over this. If you listened to his presser, Dear Leader barely stopped short of calling for gun control. Everything about this tragedy stinks. Everything. And no, the shooter will never be held accountable. Just look at all of these tweets coming out already.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/14/liberals-immediately-blame-nra-call-for-gun-control-after-elementary-school-shooting/
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:29pmjhrusky
Manchurian Candidate? Other people say that on this site. Now you are too. You are freaking me out.
Maybe this can be statistically predicted a la Harry Seldon of Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy.
I would like to know the shooters academic record, (un)employment history, history with girlfriends (or lack thereof), and legal & illegal drug taking industry. Even loners hang with people at point s in their life. And since they oftentimes have poor social skills the people they hang out with have whacked ideals. I like to know what memes he was exposed to.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:31pmashestoashes
I had a German tell me after 9/11 that he was going to get the message to the offenders where to attack to get to the heart of America
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Did you get a name? Address? Did you tell authorities? This is nebulous.
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BladeFyre
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:32pmIt’s sad this happened, unfortunately it will probably turn into a political agenda for gun bans / more gun control. To the Students, Staff, and Parents, we will keep you in our thoughts and prayers!
I think it’s time to start arming the school administrators and teachers!
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bonesiii
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:35pmWhen are Americans as a whole going to wake up that this is happening more and more as we turn farther away from God? God is Love. Come back to him, everyone! He forgives all your sins, and he offers you eternal, perfectly satisfying life.
And, to someone like me most importantly, science has now confirmed the Bible’s truth in many ways (read more at sites like creation.com or answersingenesis), showing that God is our Creator too and he made the world without death and suffering. This kind of thing was never part of God’s design; humanity’s sinfulness alone caused it, and sadly it leads some down the road to pure evil as with this shooter. But there’s a better way. -Please- take this seriously. It matters, more than anything else, IMO, because it’s about our own souls.
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girlnurse
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:47pmYea lets let ONLY the government have guns! Because the government always does the right thing and they care about us soooo much! Can you trolls hear yourself? Or do you just parrot the liberal/big government/sheeplee talking points…Use your brain.
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Polarized America
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:47pmafter they are caught, many serial killers brag about their deeds. in fact they love the notoriety of being the best at what they do, better than all the rest..they want to be in History books.
i’m sure mass murderers feel similar,.. but instead of hiding in the shadows like serial killers.
mass murderers want to make an ultimate impact on society like killing these little kids
and go out in a cowardly blaze of misguided glory…………………………………………………..
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they say, at any one time there are at least 50 to 100 serial killers roaming our streets
and be sure, there are just as many wannabe mass murders watching the news as we speak
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i just got off the phone with a ” criminal profiler ” friend of mine who once worked with the FBI, back when ” serial killers”started to become an everyday word. He’s now retired and has written many fiction & non-fiction books on the subject …and things don’t look pretty …stay safe ppl…..
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Locked
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 4:03pm@BonesIII
“When are Americans as a whole going to wake up that this is happening more and more as we turn farther away from God?”
Brian Fischer just said almost the same thing: that this happened because God won’t go where He isn’t invited (ie, public schools).”
No offense, but that’s sick and just wrong. We don’t know the reasons this man had for going on a murder spree, but it’s obvious he was mentally ill. Praying for the families of the deceased is fine, but it won’t stop future attacks. Confronting the serious issue with the mentally ill in our country will do much more than banning guns or praying harder.
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kadster01
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 4:15pm@LOCKED
“I know. You need the help of a mental health professional.”
I already see one. It isn’t working. :-) But I’d be interested in knowing exactly why you think so, first, and then why you think what I am saying is entirely implausible, given the world we now live in, and the long history of tyrants in dictators. I’m not going to act on any of it – that, indeed, would make me sound crazy – but for the sake of argument, why is it so far-fetched?
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bonesiii
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 4:33pmPrayer is important, yes, but it goes much deeper than that. The more people know about God and the more people accept Jesus’ salvation, the more accept the Holy Spirit’s guidance, and He in turn frees us from our shackles of sinful dependence. God actually changes hearts towards love and peace if we let Him. And when we refuse, even if this wasn’t our conscious goal, the sinful nature takes over, and this spreads societally so that more and more are lured into all kinds of sin. And as a result, people suffer.
This matters — it MUST stop being brushed under the rug under the guise of “sick and wrong” or the like. Until we really face up to the true root cause of our society’s decay, all the focus on the symptoms and side issues of it (gun laws, etc.) will not help — they haven’t so far, have they? It’s just getting worse. We need to spread -love-. :) Fix the problem at the root, and the rest will follow, as history has proven over and over.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:04pmEncidiot, Vaman, and Locked – No surprise that you Marxists hate the Constitution since you want to get rid of the 2nd amendment.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:05pmThis is the fault of stupid liberals. This incident was their perfect utopia. Guns were not allowed in this zone. No one was armed in this school. Only police were armed. Is not that what they want? So, tell me, was the police able to prevent this incident? How many lives was the police able to save? Aren’t liberals always crying about how only police should have guns? Well, tell me, how did that work out?
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:13pmThe shooter, now the 20 year old younger brother, was claimed to be autistic by his older brother Ryan (the guy they arrested in the woods).
I wonder: 1) did Ryan use his brother as a tool of revenge, or
2) was Ryan there to try and find a way to stop his retarded brother from mass murder?
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:19pmENCINOM/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO/KREGNEVA….
Really..guns are the cause of it?
So you’re telling me the same nutcases can’t buy chemicals and components to make explosives for this same kind of wholesale slaughter? Recipes for which can be found quite easily on the internet..which of course you lefties want to reach into next.
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burnteye86
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:44pmdollar to a doughnut says he’s connected to Occupy
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:46pmPOXHOLEATHEIST…but did not God let it happen..he let’s us happen to ourselves.
God doesn’t play referee, he doesn’t perform magic tricks on demand either. He let’s man be man. Man can either follow God’s laws and prosper…or man can follow his own base instincts and fall into decline.
We already tried it your way champ. Stalin’s Russia, Khmer Rouge, Maoist China, etc…all vehemently secular, all staunchly humanist, all in a position where the state dictates to the citizens…and between them they’re responsible for the deaths and incarerations of hundreds of millions of people.
Don’t blame God or his worshippers for this you idiot..blame man for being man. We humiliated, tortured and killed his son and through cold blooded reptiles like you we still attack him two thousand years later because apparently in your eyes he deserves it. Don’t blame God for this..blame us for being ourselves.
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black9897
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:00pm@FOXHOLE
“Guns must be taken off the streets. This must end.”
I’m assuming you want guns to be illegal? Where no one can have them?
I don’t think you’re actually serious, due to facts, history and common sense proves otherwise. However, you do understand that if the good people are told they can’t have guns then the criminals will run things and be in control. Putting that aside you have zero authority/right to tell me or anyone else we can’t have them. Many problems you’re going to run into with this view. The biggest one…how do you protect yourself from the people who are supposed to protect you? When the police turn into criminals and tyrants, who do you call?
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yaknowitslike
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:32pmis it time to talk about gun control now?
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:45pmIt is time to ban guns! Its past time really but this may be the eye opening event. We can not allow this to keep happening! You don’t fix a problem by adding more of the problem. you fix a problem by eliminating it!
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henryKnox
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:48pm@encinom If you can’t see how this President is working to create a great divide in the people of this country then you are blind. Just try to watch what is happening without your blinders on for 1 month. He is inciting violence across the country and I fear that it is only beginning. His only goal in the ‘fiscal cliff’ talks is to destroy his opposition otherwise he would agree to sign a bill and be done with it.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:50pm@Keaton This is the fault of stupid liberals and their stupid policies. This incident was their perfect utopia on display. Guns were not allowed in this school zone. No one was armed in this school. No citizen was allowed to be armed in this school. Only the police was armed. Only the Government was there to protect you. Citizens and teachers were forced to be dependent on the police. Is not that what these liberals want? So, tell me, was the police able to prevent this incident? How many lives was the police able to save? Was the police able to get there on time? Aren’t liberals always crying about how only police should have guns? Well, tell me, how did that work out? The police, with all their mighty force, armor, and guns were two seconds too late. Criminals will always get guns. In Mexico, there’s only one gun store in the whole nation, and it is the Government. No one in Mexico can own a gun without the feds knowing. Tell me, is Mexico safe? Has limiting access to guns in Mexico dropped crime? How about Switzerland, were practically every able body citizen is ordered to own an automatic rifle, and are paid to train with it. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate, and was never invaded by Hitler. Guns are not the problem. The Marxist, godless, degenerate, ruthless, promiscuous, violent, immoral, and brainwashed culture and society are.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:51pmJRRUSKY and all others. Today a man armed with 3-4 different guns opened fire in a school killing 20 children and 6 others. Also today a man in japan went into a building and stabbed 22 people.. none died. 22 injuries yes, but no deaths. see the difference?
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Speak2Truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:52pmAh, the success of Bill Clinton’s “Gun Free School Zones” law! It is working exactly as planned. Columbine massacre, Santee school shooting, Virginia Tech massacre, now this…
The Left NEED more dead children to excuse their disarming of the law-abiding American Citizen.
This was their plan all along.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:54pmYeah..that’s it KRETIN33….ban guns. Instead of looking into what makes people do this..you want to just keep taking away what they use to do it with instead. Next year it will be commonly found chemicals that you can use to make bombs and poisons with. The folllowing year it will be the internet for giving us recipes to make the bombs with. What next..commercial aircraft full of fuel? Shall we outlaw those too? What does Karl Marx say?
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:00pmReally POXHOLEATHEIST? You have a beef with God over this tragedy? He merely lets us be ourselves. I mean..just look at you..we humiliated, tortured and nailed his son to a cross to die two thousand years ago and your bloodlust for Jesus still hasn’t let up today. Didn’t his suffering and death please you enough? We’re still the same bloodthirsty society we were back then…don’t blame God..he’s actually trying to fix that part of our nature.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:01pmParents allow teachers (total strangers) to keep their kids six hours straight, five days a week, in a locked classroom, with, in most cases, no other adult present, but they can’t trust this same teacher to be trained in the use of a firearm, and be certified to use one, in case some maniac or other idiot walks in to do harm to your kids? Folks, demand that your schools have security measures, and for Pete’s sake, repeal that ridiculous, unconstitutional School Gun-free zone acts! These are zero tolerance policies against guns. That means no one is able to be armed. I want our children to be protected, not defenseless. You, as an adult, don’t trust walking in unknown neighborhoods, yet, you drop off your kids, and don’t demand they be adequately protected? if you go to any large even, mall, or other public gathering, you expect security and to be protected, how can you expect any less for your kids, especially when you’re not there with them!? It’s time liberals and their stupid drivel be put to an end. We have a right to protect ourselves, and families, at all times and everywhere.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:02pmValiant.. first off F*** you! this is on your head! Liberals don’t support allowing a mentally unstable man to buy an assault riffle and 3 other guns. that is your policy! and third talk mexico all day. then go ahead and check out the murder rates of other countries with strict gun laws, china, japan, canada, Britain, france, etc etc.. Americans don’t have the cartel problem that Mexico does. we have a problem that can be solved with stricter gun laws, stricter back ground checks with emphasis on mental stability and a ban on assault riffles. to say otherwise is just a willful suspension of logic.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:04pmSPEAK TO…. Bill Clinton banned assault riffles and murder rates dropped to their lowest point in decades. Fact
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:06pmToday a man in china stabbed 22 children… want to know the difference? NO ONE DIED!
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MONICNE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:08pmGNite – Auss-Hate, platypustule.
Luv 2 stay (you amuse so) but know you soon need to fade – and I am off to the club for cocktails with canapés and year end reflections – made all the more somber by the events on this page you try to use to spread your meaningless bile to the American ideals you mock and seem to despise enough to act out the “ugly American meme” that reveals you hate your second rate birth land as much as you despise your own Mum.
(The back story there would probably make a good Dark Knight prologue, eh Cobba?)
TEA time in Brisbane, Sheila?
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black9897
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:14pm@KEATONC33
By what magic will the law (an opinion backed by a gun) keep a criminal from getting a gun and using it to harm others?
Btw, the problem is people who want to harm others, i.e. criminals. So we should ban criminals. If you didn’t know, it’s already illegal to violate someone’s rights which include murder.
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dwilco77
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:20pmBefore I even started reading these, how did I know Encinom would be on here ready to ban guns? Did you here about the guy in China this week that went into an Elementary school and slashed 22 children? We need to ban all objects with sharp edges, and points on them. All of the States with strict gun laws, have the highest rates of violent crime. Encinom – Google state rates of violent crime rates, and look at California, and the other states with high violent crime rates. Almost without fail, the highest are with strict gun controls. I bet this idiot watched violent movies, and played violent video games. We need to Nuke Hollywood, and all the liberals getting rich on making this stuff.
The answer is better security for our children against these attacks. There needs to be armed security in our schools. You will never ban guns away from criminals. Only responsible gun owners will be disarmed if you ban guns.
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dwilco77
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:32pm@ Keatonc33
Just because you say something, does not make it true. Your statement about Clinton banning assault rifles having a direct effect on murder rates is fantasy. The number of people killed during the Clinton Administration by assault rifles per the number of people murdered during the same time period by itself makes your claim ridiculous. This illustrates perfectly, the method of thought by the Left. Just keep throwing manure up against a wall and hope that some of it sticks. You pulled that one out of where the sun doesn’t shine, as where most of your staements seem to originate.
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OIF3survivor
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:36pmKeaton:
wow. Thats one hell of a wopper you just spit out. Bill signed the assault weapon ban and crime rates plummeted huh.
Apparently you were not aware that those very same weapons by EVERY major source of data including the government’s own concluded that that class of weapon was responsible for around 1% of all murders. So by your logic then more crimes were prevented than had even been occurring with that class of weapon.
Try again.
What also occurred that may have had an impact?
Hmm…it seems to me that around that same time the first wave of right to carry laws passed into law in multiple states.
Ironic…and the conclusion that THAT is the actual cause of the violent crime reduction is supported by the largest bodies of research extant, primarily by Professor John Lott but also Professor Gary Kleck.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:41pmOh my goodness, I almost forgot this golden Keaton quote:
“Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:06pm
Today a man in china stabbed 22 children… want to know the difference? NO ONE DIED!”
Bravo, dearie. Please, never stop posting!
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:48pm@KEATONC33 First off, you’re wrong, again. Liberal policies allow mentally unstable men with guns to enter schools wherein no one else is armed to defend themselves. Well, Liberals and RINOs. The policies of the left don’t even allow for at least one teacher, a principle, or some certified security personal to provide proper and adequate protection for school children! You don’t use a cell phone to protect yourself against a massacre. Citizens in Switzerland are given assault rifles by their own Government, and they have the least crime in the whole world! England’s gun crime rate doubled since it banned gun ownership! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1450338/Firearms-offences-more-than-double-since-Dunblane.html BTW, the US has a massive and diverse population, and can’t be effectively compared to other nations.
Your solution is banning assault rifles? Yeah, because during Clinton there were no incidents. The liberal and his fantasies of a perfect world are ridiculous and baseless.
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HipJipC
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:49pmIt’s not a blue or red state problem. The earth is covered with broken people and most of them are men.
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hawkeye1
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:50pmPrayers go out to all the families affected, I now call for everyone to demand that God be returned to the schools so evil cannot fill the void of his absence. While the present attitude is to restrict our rights under the Constitution we have a responsibility to protect the innocent, the mentally handicaped need to have more evaluation to determine their threat to society. As a nation we have put religion on the back burner and the last few years of rampart evil should be a wake up call for all law abideing citizens. To restrict gun ownership would not work unless we can afford to put a cop on every corner, the gun not being the problem, unstable people with one are, We need to be proactive to protect ourselves and have exery right to do so, if this includes a gun then we also have that right if we are legal to own one. If a club or a knife suites you then go for it.
Lawful gun ownership will be hotly defended by those who cherish our Constitution.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:53pmLOL…yeah right MONICNE/KREGNEVA/ENCINOM/SLEAZY HIPPO/ad nauseum….cocktails is it?
Much like your four hour coffee break last week where you were patrolling the boards for hours to see me post and you were barely able to contain yourself in your rush to “needle” me? You were just as believable then.
Cue KREGNEVA now and give us “the score” like a good obsessed troll…that one’s really working for you isn’t it?
What’s your psychiatrist said about your obsession with me?
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Fredhead
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:57pmLast I heard, murder was against the law, so, my question is here, is why don’t we have tougher laws against murder?
For those that are waiting with baited breath for tougher gun controll laws, answer one simple question for me, since when are those that plan to commit a criminal act concerned with the law? Why the rush to punish the average law abiding citizen that would never in their wildest dreams concieve such an act of evil?
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black9897
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:07pm@AVENGERK
Why are you including sleazy hippo in “MONICNE/KREGNEVA/ENCINOM/SLEAZY HIPPO/ad nauseum”?
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mjdombi
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:07pmThis is playing rightis into Obummer’s playbook. Bad stuff and it really hurts but Obummers FAKE tears and emotion I cannor stand. He more than likey went back to the oval office and yelled YES. He is so fake. Watch the replays of his news conference….what an actor
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:14pm“Cause you only get 27 dead with fire arms. This was an act of NRA sponsored terrorism. This one organization’s religious zeal and dogma is the cause for more innocent blood on the streets than any other group.”
Oh please. Just shut up already. I’m so sick and tired of your idiotic comments on here. The NRA had NOTHING to do with this and you are spouting pure nonsense.
Guns do not kill on their own. Someone has to pull the trigger. The person pulling the trigger is doing the killing. A great number of things could be used to kill another human being including one’s own hands. If you smelted every single gun in this country, there would still be just as many murders. More people die in auto accidents by idiot drivers than from a bullet.
If anyone has blood on their hands, it would be YOU and your ilk that have destroyed the moral fabric of this society.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:18pm“Liberals don’t support allowing a mentally unstable man to buy an assault riffle and 3 other guns. that is your policy!”
This statement just shows how incredibly brainwashed you are. Do you really think conservatives would? Stop being stupid.
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smv803
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:31pm@Kads
“I know. You need the help of a mental health professional.”
You aren’t alone in your thinking. I do agree with Locked that our problems escalated when God was taken out the lives of many Americans, not mine, but many.
Back to my thoughts: When I heard about the second shooting, the mall in Oregon being first, a bell went off and it wasn’t lunchtime! They want to take our guns away so badly that I wouldn’t put it past them. How better to control the Union? To take away their guns!
You, me and others aren’t crazy……we’re just in the wrong business!
God Bless.
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:39pmWISDOM7 thats not being stupid. you do! you do allow mentally unstable people to get guns with ease. It is the law in America right now and when anybody even tries to add stricter gun laws to prevent it you all immediately cry foul. how am I wrong?
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Unix
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:46pmIt’s gun control and out of control people that caused this! Gun control is a farce perpetrated by the communists, who want to disarm America, so the wolves can take over, it’s their only way to do it, if we let them. I think the more important thing is to find these lone wolves and get them help, and to put God back in place. We have turned our backs on God, the atheists and gays run the country when it comes to religion, and this needs to be stopped! We need to speak up and have our voices heard, no longer can we sit back and watch this great nation be dismantled piece by piece!
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FlamingFartSyndrome
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:47pmAnyone who has something political to say after hearing about this aught to take a loooong look in the mirror, what the hell is the matter with you
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Keatonc33
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:47pmLook it up. are you guys serious? its a part of our history. is public knowledge. crime rates dropped under bill clinton!
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 8:57pm@cessna
The sarcasimn is not wasted.
But I’m wondering how someone with mental health issues got guns. Fast & furious in action again?
This admin seems so hell bent on gun control that they will put guns in all the wrong places so they can get their agenda. They don’t care about the lives lost if it is for what they believe is e greater good.
They actually would justify the children killed as martyrs for their cause.
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Advection
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:05pm@GLITH, all gun owners DIDN’T have their finger on the trigger today anymore than all knife owners in China had their hand on the knife that slashed dozens of children there today.
Collective guilt is a lie, but its just window dressing used to hide a political agenda. You’ve been deceived by those who want to enslave us.
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jaijacobia
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 9:56pmAs a medical professional and thespian, I noted some bad acting in what the media is calling an emotional moment in Obama’s speech about today’s school shooting.
Any medical professional knows that when you experience the “tearing up” process, your voice and sinuses swell so that your voice changes to the point that you can hardly speak for a brief period. Even as he faked the tear wiping Obama showed no such voice effect.
Surely he must hate the death of children, but being determined not to let a crisis go to waste, he was probably so excited about the prospects for gun control that any normal emotion was suppressed by the adrenalin of excitement. No voice breaks, just the wiping of a fake tear that didn’t even glisten in the light (Maybe they can photoshop that)
Horrible President and bad actor.
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dwilco77
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:36pm@ Keatonc33
You just proved my point “Look it up?” What a joke. You are extrapolating that Murder rates dropped because Clinton outlawed assault weapons. Less than one % of murders were committed with assault weapons during the Clinton administration. So he outlaws them, and everybody put their knives away? Your logic is flawed. Keep throwing the manure. Maybe something will eventually stick.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:54pm@FLAMINGFARTSYNDROME The left wing MSM on TV is making this 100% political. Don’t take my comments as disrespect to the families affected, but as a way to not allow these stupid liberals to dominate the conversation and influence the minds of folks when their emotions are most vulnerable to believe anything that makes them feel safer or better.
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dwilco77
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 12:30amThe focus here should be the tragedy of the lost lives. Evil was present today. Families lives were changed forever. The children present will never be the same. The Left wing zealots posting all over the internet are only focused on not letting a tragedy go to waste to advance their agenda. Take 10 minutes tonight to pray for these families. To not pray for them would be a tragedy in itself. Also pray for the the liberals to see the error of their ways, and that they will be able to see that this is not an event to take advantage of, but an event to wake us all up to focus on what is good,and right with our lives, and to spread Love so that hopefully, someone will benefit, and maybe not act in the way this shooter did today. One person earlier in his life might have been able to make a difference if they only had taken a moment. Open your eyes to those hurting around you. We can fix this, but it will take a concerted effort from all of us to make a change. We need to realize we are all being used as pawns in this attempt to separate us by color, economy, and political beliefs. It sounds silly to say that we should try to think good thoughts, do a favor for a stranger, and try to love your enemy; however, that will be effective, and also honor the lives of the young children who died today. Think about it.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:51amKeaton, murderers use knives all the time. They can use anything at all, and THEY DO!
Wake up. Look at what you’re doing — you’re spreading more hatred and more vitriol, the same stuff that has fed this societal decay that led to this! Only if we change the hearts of people will they stop acting out in violence, and only God’s love can do that. :) Spreading more hate just feeds the fire!
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Dr. Sandy Kramer
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 1:53amThe devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
Oh, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!
~~~William Shakespeare “The Merchant of Venice”. Act 1, Scene 3.
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Wisdom7
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 8:52pm“WISDOM7 thats not being stupid. you do! you do allow mentally unstable people to get guns with ease. It is the law in America right now and when anybody even tries to add stricter gun laws to prevent it you all immediately cry foul. how am I wrong?”
Really? I guess you missed the fact that this 20 year old was unable to purchase a gun days before due to the LAW so he killed his own mother and took hers. There are already strict gun laws in these places. Your arguments are based on complete ignorance of both the law and firearms in general.
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Nevermind
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:03pmhillbillyinny
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:34am
Sorry @nevermind (or was that NOmind?),
JT Right was a Neo-Nazi and/or white supremacist not a TEA PARTIER–big big difference!
But you guys wouldn’t know the difference, since you don’t have the guts to ever attend a function of Tea Partiers and/or 9/12ers and learn that for which they really stand All you can do is read/watch the MSM and parrot their trash!
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Again here come those pesky facts. He was a TEa party memeber and a speaker at a TEA party rally in Phoenix in 2009. He also seved as committemen for Russell Pearce ( AZ Republic senate leader) and was endorded by PEarce when Ready ran for city coucil seat when he was on GOP ticket. So yes he was a neo nazi as well as a tea party member on top of that he ran for seats as a republican.
You can name call all you like but facts are facts. The TEA party rallies are recruiting places for neo nazi’s . Plus David Duke ( KKK) also supports the tea party.
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DEFCON4
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:10pmCurious, Nevermind, Have you ever attended a tea party rally?
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:20pmI love it when leftists try to deflect attention away from who really causes violence.
Tea party events are so racist that leftists organizations like larouche and think progress were overtly recruiting people to bring racist signs to tea party events to discredit them.
Do you libs even think before you post?
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SILAS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:21pm@never-right
David Duke supported OCCUPY as you conveniently forget. Were you getting your braces off that day???
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Lord_Frostwind
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:22pmPray tell, what exactly does this line of stupidity have to do with the shooting Newport? Are we jumping to conclusions once again that it is some mad tea party member going on a killing spree? That trope has only been wrong for about the past four years since the Tea Part became prominent, so maybe, just maybe there is a slight chance you will be right. But I’m going to keep preparing myself a nice tall glass of Dr. Pepper so I can watch more media dumpkofs stumble over themselves trying to pin this on us only to be proven wrong once again.
To this pointless argument however, you seem to be making the fallacy of causation vs. correlation. Because something happens at a tea party rally does not make that place a recruiting center for the Aryan Nation.
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VaARNG_Guardsman
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:26pmDavid Duke is not a member of the KKK….though he does hate him some Jews.
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Session09
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:29pm@Nevermind…
Just like the Democrats are recruiters for Socialists, Marxists, Communists, Facists and Communitarianists…
You want to poke people in the eye? Start with the bozo’s in your own yard!
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country_hick
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:30pmAnd your point is what?
The American Communist Party endorsed Obama and supports Democrats;
Bernie Sanders is a Socialist.
I don’t hear Progressives denouncing them. Do you?
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:39pmHey Nevermind…might want to check your facts or at least read all of them…
” Several Republicans attempted to have him expelled from his position in the party in Maricopa County due to his controversial views.[14] Before starting a campaign for the position of Pinal County sheriff, he left the National Socialist Movement,[20] but had Movement member Harry Hughes serving as his campaign chairman. He ran for sheriff as a Democrat, citing the party’s past support for Jim Crow and Democratic politicians who had supported racial segregation, such as Robert Byrd and George Wallace…After Ready’s death former Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce released a statement saying that he had previously rejected Ready due to his association with “despicable groups in society”, and had objected to Ready’s position in the Republican Party.”
Umm..so..yeah..the guy was a neo-Nazi and when the GOP of Az found out…many tried to have him booted out and disassociated themselves from him…but he ran for sheriff as a Dem because he knew they ARE and WERE the party of SLAVERY and Jim Crow.
As for being associated with the Tea-Party movement…we don’t do a background check on people that show up to rallies or discussion groups. And we don’t verbally assault them if they disagree with us nor do we immediately call them “racist” until they prove it, JT did and he is but AZ Tea-Party groups probably never knew until the end.
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napoleon_solo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:41pmYou are an a**.
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:42pmNEVER, you are choosing to be ignorant. That makes you an idiot. Tea Party Rallies are peaceful events where good people of all races get together to try to help the nation. Your liberal propaganda is just that, propaganda. You are a lying piece of garbage.
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TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:43pmJT did speak at a tea party rally. Shame on them for letting him, they should have known better. ONE TEA PARTY, ONE BAD GUY and all of us look bad. However, Occutards had rapes and stealing didn’t they? How about the sickle and hammer flag waving communists that promote and idealogy that murdered over 100 million people last century? Did the occutards do anything about distancing themselves; oh wait they EMBRACED THEM. Murder lovers.
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makamae
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:53pmNevermind – I’ll have to tell all of my black Tea Party friends that they need to avoid Tea Party rallies from now on, so they don’t get lynched, I guess.
Glad you clarified that for us all.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:16pm@Nevermind
And you called me a disappointment for simply intellectually entertaining the notion of secession, while here you are wrongfully claiming that tea party rallies are “recruiting grounds for neo-Nazis”. Shame on you. There are dead children, and you look to make sport of advancing your pathetic agenda through barbaric lies and distortions. I had at least hoped you retained some notion of honor. :-/
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Maji
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:27pmNevermind ,
Doesn’t obama support blackpanthers? I know eric holder does!…(they’re his people!)
Doesn’t obama support the weather underground if nothing else by proxy? The billy ayers connection.
Isn’t this an arm of the demo of the wing-nut party?
By the way the answer to all the above is yes!
As long as Obama is prez these thing will happen. People have no respect for him or the democrat party…they (left-wing nuts) promote these things. Then say look what the gun did!!
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mikem1969
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:38pmVRW, shhhhh, you now libs can’t stand the complete facts, just those they pull out of context.
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M4-A1
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:36pmencinom
you’re an F-ing idiot. democrats are the biggest terrorist in this nation.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:51pmI’ve never attended a Tea Party rally, but it’s quite possible for a crook to show up to one just to intentionally smear them. And I bet most criminals attend concerts of famous musicians you like, at least once in their life; does that mean those artists are to blame? Obviously not. Unfortunately there’s no way to be sure to keep out criminals.
However, the Tea Party IS for the rule of law, generally more pro-death penalty, Christian, peaceful, cleanly, etc. so it’s not exactly a haven for this kind of stuff. But lawlessness IS a favorite of the left…
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smash444
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:29amThe liberals are getting testy. But of course they wouldn’t pick on adults. Shootings in BLUE STATES Oregon, Colorado and now DEEP BLUE Connecticut. Liberals killing liberals.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:34amof course you jerks here make everything about policitcs….I wish there was a hell for you to rot in
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chips1
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:52amThere is. It’s called Washington, DC.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:00pmYeah I noticed also how all these mass shootings all seem to happen in red states – the Commie-Crat Liberal strongholds. More incidental evidence that they ( the Commie-Crats ) are insane !
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:10pm@ doseofreality
You leftists wrote the book on making everything political so stop whining.
Need we remind you that it is you leftists who are responsible for making our schools “gun free zones” which of course guarantees that more children die when these incidents happen because noone is able to stop these psychos.
The blood spilled today is on your hands you liberal POS, so please spare us your sudden attack of sanctimony.
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ResistSocialism
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:12pm@libsrparasites Exactly
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:12pmLibs – youre just another evil person – there is not one quote on this site about prayers for the victims..or how horrible it is. Its all about politics with you *ssholes….you can all rot in hell.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:14pmAnd Im not a leftict you *sshole….I believe in small government….I just think that minutes after a horrible tragedy at an elementary school, you hearltess jerks go right to politics….
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:16pmLibs – maybe your dream world is a gun in every elementary school classroom…hell when a kid walks in the front door they should get a glass of milk and a .38….Im sure that would be much safer. You are a terrible excuse for a human being…but Im sure all of your family already knows that.
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ResistSocialism
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:18pm@DoseofReality relax is this how you people in CT behave. no wonder you have problems
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:24pm@doseofreality
Your awful defensive there obamarrhoid.
That blood on your hands must be weighing on what little conscience you have left.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:25pmResist…me relax? F you too…kids have been killed – kindergarters – and every single post here is all policital…damn right Im mad
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Rogue
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:27pm@dose – don’t pretend to be outraged by everyone talking politics on a political news site… you’ve been hanging out here for over an hour and a half claiming to be disgusted. there’s a simple fix – see that little “X” on the top right side of your browser?
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:28pmLibs – i didnt vote for Obama….and if i could Id pull you through the computer screen and give you a good beatdown thats how angry i am right now….
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ResistSocialism
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:30pm@DoseofReality yea like I said no wonder you have problems in CT with people like you running around
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:30pm@doseofreality
Are you equally outraged when that dead child is one that is thrown in a trash bag after it is ripped from a mothers womb?
My guess is that you are selectively outraged as all leftists are…
You are out of your league here lefty. You may want to stick to the huffpo forums…
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:34pm@doseofreality
It didnt take long for me to reduce you from being outraged by violence to threatening me with violence.
You leftists are so predictable…
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:38pmIm agaisnt abortion – Im not a leftist…..and yes, Im fing angry – this is down the street from me. I come on various websites…this one, huff post, democratic underground, free republic. Every other site has people stating how horrible the situation, offering their prayers and condolensces…excpet this one….evil, EVIL people here….
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:45pmDoseofReality
England banned guns. Then they banned swords. I don’t know what is the biggest knife you can have, but they literally banned swords. Reminds me of Japan & Europe. They banned the peasants from having weapons. If there is reincarnation, we know who is doing the banning. We also know who the court sycophant is.
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Session09
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:46pmWhat will really have to happen is like what happened with the incident in Beslan, Russia. So many of our schools think they are immune to this type of violence. Google “Terror at Beslan”. Then go out and get the “Bulletproof Mind” DVD set.
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:46pm@doseofreality
Why do you leftists deny that you are leftists?
Considering how quickly you threatened violence on this forum, I am concerned about the safety of others in your community, especially children in “gun free zones”.
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brother_ed
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:47pm@DOSEOFREALITY
If it matters, though I may not agree with your delivery, I certainly am sympathetic to your point of view.
Let’s put aside the political rants, and focus on healing the children and the families of this tragedy.
We are all so scared that Obama and his regime will use this to take away more of our freedoms (never let a good crisis go to waste) that we are reacting to things that haven’t even happened yet.
Let’s all pray for the folks involved now, and worry about the Progressives later,
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ResistSocialism
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:47pm@DoseofReality perhaps you should focus on the evil on your back yard
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:54pm30 dead now – lots of kids – still not one word from you people aboutr how sad of a situation it is, or how terrible it is for the families….youre just concerned about your guns being taken away…bunch of hearlthess evil people….this will be my last post on this site – you people all make me sick.
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ResistSocialism
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:59pm@DoseofReality good bye and get a handle on yourself before you do something stupid and evil like the shooter in your own back yard
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glassbeadlady
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:03pmThis is a terrible thing, let us pray for those poor kids first. Yes the blue states are going crazy and shooting kids and mall goers is a terrible thing to do. But, notice where it is easier to own a gun these crimes are not happening as much. Here in Utah you may get shot before you could hurt anyone. We have a great CC training and know how to express out rights as America’s granted in the constitution. God be with these families that have been hurt by a sick-sick person, notice these guys are killing themselves. Good for them, save us money while the killer plays crazy.
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americangirl060221
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:03pmUnfortunately Colorado is now blue. It was a red state when the tragedy of Columbine occurred. This is sickening!! What is the matter with people!! I agree with the posts that are condemning others for making this political!! Our children should be safe! Maybe the teachers need to have a conceal carry permit to protect our kids while in their care! They’re the innocents and they get preyed upon. It brings me to tears. My prayers go out to the folks of Sandy Hook Elementary School.
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:07pm@doseofreality
Make no mistake lefty, we weep for all the innocent victims.
However, we acknowledge that it your leftist policies that have kept law abiding citizens from defending themselves and others today
Look in the mirror there lefty. The person staring back at you helped facilitate this tragedy…
And…you were the only one on this forum threatening violence today, so we are concerned that you may be the next one to take advantage of a “gun free zone.”
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darang
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:13pm@DOSEOFREALITY
I’m so sorry for this tragedy that hit your community. I pray for the parents who will find out today that have lost their child in this tragedy. We are all gods children whether our state is red or blue.
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trolltrainer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:27pmlibsrparasites,
….That was all so uncalled for…
You have drove him/her off, can you give it a rest now?
I am afraid it is you who I am most scared of/for. You are just not right…
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:40pm@darang
Please dont make “doseofreality” the victim here.
The real victims are those who lie dead in that school because leftists like this POS kept guns away from law abiding citizens in that school and allowed this criminal unfettered access to those innocent children.
“doseofreality” has the blood of many children on his hands today and is simply trying to deflect his role in this tragedy.
While I pray those the children, every leftist that I meet will know there role in their deaths.
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libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:50pm@trolltrainer
Let me guess…you want to let leftists off the hook for their role in this tragedy so you can feel warm and fuzzy?
Everything in my post to doseofreality was true.
1. Leftists policies prevented anyone from defending themsleves today.
2. doseofreality threatened violence on the forum today.
Facts are a very frightening thing, I can understand why you would be scared.
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Taquoshi
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:50pmShame on you, Smash.
Regardless of what political party the various residents of Newtown are, many of them have lost their young children. Those children were totally defenseless.
Others will be planning funerals for parents or close relatives.
When tragedy strikes like this, I don’t bother asking political affiliation. I ask what I can do. I pray. And right now, I’m sick at heart because I have family members living in Newtown. And no, I don’t know their party affiliation and I don’t care. All I care about is that I get a phone call at the end of the day (or sooner, please God!) saying all are safe and well. Should that not be the case, I’m taking deep breaths and preparing myself.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:33pmGee if people had jobs they wouldn’t have the time to ruminate on all those little things that irritate them.
YOU LISTENING PRESIDENT OBAMA !!!!
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:08pm22 chinese children were stabbed yesterday in China by a man who was mad at Chinese Gov’t officals. It was on NPR this morning, 14 Dec 2012.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:37pmDoseofReality
Every other site has people stating how horrible the situation, offering their prayers and condolensces…excpet this one….evil, EVIL people here….
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Normally we would.
By Alexis Wagner, Andrea Mitchell & others have already started on the let’s ban gun jihad. As we knew they would. Did Alexis & Andrea say a prayer or condolence before they launched into their very public diatribe?
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AVATARBABY
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:40pmLiberals/Progressives/Socialists/Cowards. Whatever you want to call them, are a malignant cancer that has metastasized in every region of this once great country. We can’t even have a rational conversation about evil people who perpetrate horrific violence without having to counter the lies, vitriol, and stupidity of the mushbrains that populate the left. If guns were outlawed, these criminals would still buy or steal guns illegally and shoot innocent people. Hey Lefties! Heroin and Crack have been illegal for decades. It’s an American cottage industry. The Nazi propaganda machine during WWII pales in comparison to the propaganda of the modern American Liberal. The liberal pansies on this site are obviously the product of inbreeding and/or parents who vigorously abused drugs during pregnancy.
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Unix
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:20amDoseofLIES – you have no ability to critically think, so I forgive you of that. Who was the first to politicize this tradegy…MSLSD and the liberal left, with their gun control mantra…go tell it on the mountain!! You liberals are all alike, when it comes to 2nd Amendment, and I for one am quite sick of your irrational arguments. If all guns are bad, then why isn’t the country in a civil war right now? It is not, because responsible gun owners don’t just go out and shoot people! Since the state of Conn. has such strict gun laws there should be ZERO shootings, but we all know it is criminals and the insane that pull triggers randomly! And we are not for handing out guns to kids either, if you could read and comprehend, then you would see we are talking about armed guards, with proper training, etc. Now you go right ahead with your gun control mantra, it will get you nowhere, as criminals dont obey laws, especially the ones already on the books. We need to reinstate the death penalty, allow parents to properly discipline their children and bring God back into our national culture. Stop Hollyweird from glorifying violence (also video games) and lets start a conversation on how to help people who are troubled. I am mad too, sick to my stomach, but removing guns from society is not the answer, because the criminals will be the only ones possessing them. Please, do us all a favor, and learn critical thinking, not knee jerk reactionary lies. Have a nice day!
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Hopestar-B-COHIPER
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:33pm@All posters….
As far as DOSEOFREALITY is concerned, she or he may or may not be a liberal but there may be a conservative. So shame on the rest of you for calling her liberal. Name-calling is not justified. I have known more than a few conservatives who would be of the same mindset as DOSEOFREALITY.
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EagleEyes
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:24amSchools on “lock-down”? Public schools are already like little prisons — can’t get in, can’t get out — even if YOUR child is in there. High schools are the worst. Why people keep sending their kids into this system, I’ll never know. It’s a bad deal for everyone involved.
Teachers ought to be able to conceal carry at school, otherwise they are all sitting ducks.
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ranepowel
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:04pmOr, just ban guns altogether, since this c rap will continue to happen as long as they are legal. I guarantee the gunman/gunmen were upstanding citizens until this incident. It only takes going crazy once before you shoot a bunch of people.
“Naw, dude. Guns don’t kill people. People do.”
You’re a genius. Use the gun on yourself, then and better the world around you.
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:15pmWhen the government gets rid of their guns, I’ll get rid of mine.
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atechgeek
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:19pm@ranepowel :
Why not just make murder illegal. That would solve all the gun issues .. right ??
If murder is illegal then you cannot shot and kill someone .. right ?
Friggin Id i 0 t.
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Trigus
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:26pm@rane – drugs are illegal and yet people still use them. So, do you really think making firearms illegal will keep them out of the hands of criminals?
This will be another domestic violence case.
” In 2012 the Home Office reported that, “in 2010/11, firearms were involved in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales” – think about it
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SREGN
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:08pm@rane – Gun bans only keep guns out of the hands of those most qualified to use them, in other words, those who would use them to protect the innocent. If some fully qualified teachers or other school employees had had a weapon, these kids would still be alive. Those bent on murder will always be able to obtain them illegally. Even an outright ban would not prevent it. If you review history you will find that everytime the gov’t bans something, it proliferates: alcohol, drugs, poverty, terror. Outlaw guns and the only people that will have them are criminals, the law-abiding will be completely unprotected. The police cannot protect you against gun violence, they can only show up later and write a report.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:20pm@Rane
Not only a terrible waste of a post you made, advancing politics over pity, but also so devoid of even basic common sense that I wonder about your humanity AND intelligence.
There’s no point in speaking further to you, you’ve absorbed and come to see the irrationality you spout as part of your personality. Good luck stumbling through life blind, deaf and with the awareness level of a dim witted chimpanzee.
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makamae
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:23pmranepowel – You’re an idiot. You said: “Or, just ban guns altogether, since this c rap will continue to happen as long as they are legal.” Guns are already illegal in Connecticut schools. The shooter broke the law just by taking his guns onto the school property.
Making guns illegal is a moronic non-solution. Has making drugs illegal stopped them?
Maybe you can borrow some common sense from someone…
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holy ghostbuster
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:04pm@ RANEPOWEL – New Jersey, where the shooter is supposedly from, has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country. How will banning guns solve anything? An armed society is a polite society.
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AMickey1126
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:09pm@Rane:
Your ignorance knows no bounds. I’m 27 years old. I started shooting “dangerous” guns at the age of 5. I worked on a gun range pulling trap for a bunch of old men that liked shooting clay pigeons. NEVER did I ever feel unsafe there. Not once. Most of the normal people I know are law abiding, gun owning citizens. Maybe you’re the weird one.
Also, here’s a thought for you… I live in an area that has very dense forest. There are about 500 acres of state land just outside my back yard. A little over a year ago I noticed a cougar watching me and my dogs when I would take them outside to eliminate. So, if we ban all guns, how can I defend myself? A lot of people who are plagued with liberal thinking think that only other people are a threat. While it is possible that someone could break into my house, it’s also possible that I could be attacked by a cougar. But I may just be a dumb country bumpkin.
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decendentof56
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:37pm@RANEPOWELL…..
I think the government tried to ban alcohol once and it didn’t work.
Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t a black market spring up if guns were “banned”?
I think one exists already, doesn’t it?
I donno, Rane, maybe it would work if we banned “all” guns.
We’d have to check every:
1-imported car
2-shipping container on every ship
3-follow those ships to make sure they don’t meet up with a gun-running, high-speed bost before 4-reaching our harbors
5-station national guard or army patrols in at 1/2 mi intervals around the entire US
6-heighten airport security ten-fold at all commercial and private airports…well, the private airports we ‘know’ about
7-close the border with Mexico
8-close the Canadian border
9-make sure NO private plane makes a drop while over US airspace
Shall I go on? OK, I will……
Remember that in all countries where there was mass genocide that the citizenry was either entirely unarmed or for all intents and purposes entirely unarmed:
Cambodia
Sudan
Rwanda
Cuba
Russia/Soviet Union
China
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uzeguize
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:44pmPray for these families for God’s sake.
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Durtypoon
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:54pmTo the guy who said ban all guns,
Okay so lets say in your perfect eutopian society nobody has guns except cops and military. So the guy breaks into one of their houses while the cop/military guy is vigilantly protecting your new “Freedoms” – Obtains a gun (or hell goes to a mexican drug-lord and gets it, or any other country that hasnt banned guns yet, AKA black market purchase) Then proceeds to do the SAME thing, yet now – nobody has any means of countering a psycho with a gun except the people that have a 5 minute bare minimum response time. Bank robberies happen w/o guns, and why? because they know the response time of the area.. Taking guns out of the hands of non-violent God-fearing citizens isnt going to solve a damn thing. Furthermore, you cant just expect all violence to stop because of a BAN on something – look at drug laws, look at prohibition laws of yesteryear – all banning or “War on (insert noun)” creates is a blackmarket where criminals get rich on the backs of other criminals..
SERIOUSLY.. you cant have your cake and eat it too, even if it says “Happy Birthday Commie”.
So glad so many “americans” are willing to give up freedoms at the cost of “Being protected by the gubment” –
Sandy, Katrina, even typical “safety” while out and about – What has giving up freedoms saved you from – SURE we all love being felt up by TSA before flying, but what has your eutopian mindset saved you from persay?
Short answer – leaves you open to
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RodT82721
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:22amIt’s nice to see that our dear leader’s crusade of hate is paying off.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:35amBecasue there were never any shootings prior to Obama right? Youre a freaking idiot…
LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:54amDOSEOFIGNORANCE, you are not as smart as you think you are, in fact, you’re an idiot.
DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:00pmAnd why am I lying again? Are you saying that no random shooting (if this was even random) happened prior to Obama coming into office?
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:00pmAnd this is down the street from me….a elementary school…kids are reported shot and you jerks make it about politics…you are EVIL people with no heart or soul.
libsrparasites
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:13pm@ doseofreality
You leftists wrote the book on making everything political so stop whining.
Need we remind you that it is you leftists who are responsible for making our schools “gun free zones” which of course guarantees that more children die when these incidents happen because noone is able to stop these psychos.
The blood spilled today is on your hands you liberal POS, so please spare us your sudden attack of sanctimony.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:17pmLibs – you mental midget…you posted the exact same thing above…have any other thoughts genius?
Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:18pm@Dose, there was a little girl shot down in Arizona. You Leftist Fascists blamed Sarah Palin for it.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:26pmI didnt blame Palin for that and called people out who did so F you….you people all make me sick….there are dead 6 year olds and its all about politics with you wastes of space
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YouCantExplainThat
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:45pm“You’re an idiot”
“No, you’re an idiot”
“Well I’m rubber and you’re glue..”
Awesome discussion.
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Chromo200
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:08pmDOSEOFREALITY It is about politics .. Not that the tragedy is a sad one with all those kids killed. Just that the gun issue is a political issue because the liberals make one.
In the “old” days, if we knew one was nuts or going off the deep end, we could ask the cops and specialists for help. Now we can’t, we will be sued, the cops tell us there is no crime that the guy is nuts, etc etc.. so these people fall through the cracks until they go on shooting rampage. We cut health services for military personnel and others, but are willing to spend millions on solar energy. I’m not for Obamacare, but for more accessible services for people.
And so what happens, the media gets on the kick of banning guns and that is why it is political.
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Grizzlyof5
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:22amNotice how the school superintendent has not confirmed anything. The reporters could show footage with shots being fired and they will always try to cover up anything school related. I can’t think of a better reason to homeschool than this. Our prayers will be with these children and families today.
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resme
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:19amtime to ban school…
Thoughts and prayers with the kids/families.
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biblegeek119
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:20pmThat is a real thought! Not being sarcastic. Banning school is the best idea.
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TPartyXpress
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:37pmIt is the radical Left’s invasion – the Enemy Within – of the public schools teaching children with Marxist intent that eventually make them blind to the importance of the 2nd Amendment. This has been happening to America’s schools, from elementary to college – for decades and their agenda is about to be completed.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:07pmAmen to that. Public schools are a dangerous place while masquerading as caring about the children.
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I SPY
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:19amThis is Hog Wash, Incorporated. They are attempting to take away our Second Amendment. Do you see the connection? Lock your doors and load your guns. They think they’re smarter than you. This is yet another example of socialism 101. Don’t believe them. Stand strong and believe in your rights. Crazy people are crazy and crazy people hurt other people, whether it’s with a gun or a baseball bat. Americans are natural born fighters, not mad men as they would have you believe. Don’t fall for it.
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:23amIts significantly harder to kill several people in a short amount of time with a baseball bat. If you were running from someone, which one would you prefer they have?
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CALLMEMSGT
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:31am@Publius-Why run?
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ryanalicia
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:32amthe bad guys will allways find a gun weather leagle or not. take guns away from normal people crime gets worse. justt look at DC Chicago, NY city. tightest guns laws and the highest crime. the states with the most concealed weapon permits have the lowest crime. criminals fear you have a gun so leave you alone. I want my gun leave it alone
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Dunedainn
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:34amStraw man. They will get their guns whether they’re legal or not.
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I SPY
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:43amI’d prefer to have my rights as an American. I’d prefer to have real leaders that believe in freedom. Not some push over like you that thinks that guns will just magically disappear once some attorney slash politician in some small town like DC makes a judgement to change my rights, then goes to lunch and laughs it off. Real men fought for this country. Real men fought for your rights to bitch and complain, then walk over to your microwave and heat up a cheap lunch. What you forget is the men, and real women who backed them up no matter what, that saved your sorry back end. I’m sure your own grandfather has a story of his own, unless he was a coward like you and never fought in war, but rather ran like a rabbit to Canada. I feel sorry for you and your family. When it comes, don’t come knocking on my door. You’re on your own. Good luck with your kitchen spoon and mitts. My family is safe. Yours… doom is around the corner and you signed on the dotted line.
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Lord_Frostwind
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:33pmPublius you have to understand, gun laws aren’t making a difference on criminals getting guns. People tout the Assault Weapons ban as something that stopped the tide of criminals using military grade hardware, but truth of the matter was less than 1% of guncrime was committed with such weapons in the first place, as they attract far too much attention, and several major crimes were committed with those weapons AFTER the ban went into affect (North Hollywood and Columbine being the two most well known).
We keep trying to find legal solutions to deal with these problems, but they are failing miserably. Unless you can deal with the problem at the more basic levels of society, the only thing you will accomplish is slapping a bandaid over the sores that appear from the disease.
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TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:39pmWhat if the teachers or adminstators had been armed and trained? Casualty count is lower. Or nonexistent, because this wouldn’t have been attempted.
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Bodacious_Boedi
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:40pmWhile Dear Leader’s Administration may salivate at the thought of taking away guns, the Federal Bench does NOT as evidenced by Illinois being told to buck up to the Constitution and those poli thugs are still trying to find a way around it including going to the Supreme Court.
I welcome this, since SCOTUS overturned Chicago’s handgun ban.
Here’s your problem with guns. The maniacs KNOW everyplace they’re not allowed and that’s like a turd to flies. Mental illness is the problem, not firearms.
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SREGN
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:22pmpublius – Callmssgt is exactly right. Why run? Stand your ground and defend. A fully qualified and trained armed citizenry is the best prevention. These shootings only occur in gun free zones for a reason. These pychopaths may be crazy, but they’re not stupid.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:23pmWhereas a simple box of rat poison in the lunchroom cooking pot can take out swaths of people faster than any firearm can.
Publius is here to dance in blood. All hail the ghouls.
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oldwmn
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:16amjust like the nut job in China that stabbed 22 children the other day, there are crazy people everywhere that will pick up weapons of any kind and take it out on the innocent …it is a sad time that we all live in…hug your kids teach them to not be like sheep and learn how to defend themselves yes even at a early age…its going to get worse,,,i have met the enemy and we are him..
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Nevermind
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:16amRJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:01am
Yeah PORKY, those murdering TEA Party thugs have just amuck and now shoot up schools like the Palestinians, their natural allies do. Ooops……no…….wait, the Palestinians are allied with you left wing loons, and no, the TEA Party activists have never shot anything up. Frankly, lately it has been some 19 to 24 year old male who has lost a girlfriend, job, or expelled from school who usually has some left wing tendencies who have shot various venues up. Wow Porky, imagine that?
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You may want to look up the name JT Ready before you brag about the TEA party not shooting up anything. He killed his family and children and was a tea party memeber and a speaker at tea party events. Facts are difficult for those on the right but it is easy to look up
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trolltrainer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:30amYou idiots are just stupid on BOTH sides of the political divide! Here we have an unfolding tragedy involving ELEMENTARY KIDS and you morons are blaming Obama, the tea party, liberals, lack of God and everything else. Good Lord, I can put spin on anything…Let’s blame union thugs that rip apart tents and hot dog carts on this!!!
No damn wonder this country is going to hell…
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hillbillyinny
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:34amSorry @nevermind (or was that NOmind?),
JT Right was a Neo-Nazi and/or white supremacist not a TEA PARTIER–big big difference!
But you guys wouldn’t know the difference, since you don’t have the guts to ever attend a function of Tea Partiers and/or 9/12ers and learn that for which they really stand All you can do is read/watch the MSM and parrot their trash!
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:56amTROLLTRAINER, so true. We dont even have the whole story yet, and people are already blaming everyone and anyone.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:09pmNEVERMIND, I am well aware of JT Right and his affiliation with the Neo Nazis, not the TEA Party. Apparently the MSM overload on this lie has worked on you.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:26pm@Trolltrainer
I absolutely agree with your comments. First time I think this has happened.
If one is the praying type, fall to your knees and get to it. If not, keep these people in your thoughts. Such a waste of life, so very sad.
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Durtypoon
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 6:42pmmeanwhile obama and holder already came out and talked about “discussing our freedoms” and “this has happend enough”
- sounds like the same talk i hard mr’s obama say when she discussed the path to our ‘future’ – where we “change our history, change america”
they always tell you whats going to happen you just have to be able to hear “dog whistles”
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freepr008
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:22pmTrolltrainer@
You are right, so right. This is senseless, heartless accusations from both sides are not appropriate, nor pertinent.
This is just so heartbreaking, so sad.
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dont_drive_slow_in_the_left_lane_obliviot
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:08amThis won’t stop until there is a paradigm shift back to self governance and personal responsibility. Not holding out a lot of hope for that.
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CALLMEMSGT
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:05amSomebody needs to call Bob Costas and let him know what happened!!!!!
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chips1
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:58amDoes anyone know where he is? Can’t seem to locate him!!!
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lel2007
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:02amPerhaps we should wait for the a more detailed story before running-off at the keyboard.
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dont_drive_slow_in_the_left_lane_obliviot
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:10amWhat for? We all know it’s the Tea Party’s fault and they acted stupidly.
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Cavallo
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:24amTrue.. if it turns out to be some Dad wacking a teacher for molesting his little girl, I’ll cheer.
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Polarized America
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:34am.
there sure is no shortage of crazy people ..ooops i mean crazy comments ..that’s what i meant …crazy comments ….seriously …;-(
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Polarized America
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:56am.
>….note..my comment above wasn’t aimed at anyone on this thread..( so far )
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:51pmThat’s the most intelligent comment here so far. Posting wild speculations before any details are available is just plain stupid. That said, I fully expect this, coupled with other recent shootings, will provoke yet another liberal outcry for more regulation of firearms. Granted that it’s speculation on my part, but I expect we will learn that the firearm(s) used was not legally obtained by the shooter.
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WillG
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:01amTragic,I fear these events are going to get more and more frequent.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:00amFear not Homeland Security is coming to the rescue. These shootings that happen in our schools shouldn’t be a problem in the near future. But I will guarantee this piece of mind is going to cost us.
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-signs-new-executive-order-expanding-homeland-security-mission-the-u-s
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:58amYeah ,this is American Utopia is way better NOT having payer in class .
This American Utopian is way better NOT having the ten commandments in our schools.
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JRook
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:05amWell here’s the thing pal…. if guns are not even remotely responsible for the rise in deadly violence in our society. Then how would pray and a posting of the ten commandments be associated with a reduction in violence. Particularly since you find a rather large component of those who claim to be religious supporting our made up wars/conflicts (Vietnam, Iraq, etc.) and seeking higher spending for the military. Perhaps the US should just drop leaflets with the Lord’s Prayer and the 10 commandments. There are limitations and restrictions on the First Amendment rights and there should be a lot more limitations and restrictions on the Second Amendment rights.
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JRook
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:07amAnd when it turns out to be and adult, wouldn’t that cast a rather deep shadow on the school prayer and 10 commandments that were probably visible when that individual was in elementary school.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:21amJROOK This just didn’t happen over night.. Kind of Ironic that your
handle has ’ROOK’ in it . Because I would bet you never played chess.
This isn’t the beginning of the game . Its checkmate…!
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:30amJrook
Guns are not even REMOTELY linked to the rise in violence…the rise in violence is 100% the result of PEOPLE!!
Look at Switzerland…where EVERY household is required by law to have a gun because every citizen of age, man or woman, is part of the Swiss militia that can be called out at any time. Every adult in the household must be trained to use the gun as well.
You don’t hear of a lot of home robberies, bank robberies, murders, or violent crime and school shootings in Switzerland do you??
It is not the number of guns that are causing this. It is the breakdown in morality, values, and ethics and national unity, something that the Swiss have in spades and why they have been able to remain neutral in world conflicts for the last 100 years and why they were not invaded during those conflicts. Trust me, the Nazis would have LOVED to take over Switzerland but they couldn’t. Go see the WW II bunkers in the Alps and read up about how the Swiss manned them 24/7. They were neutral but they were not pacifists either, they were armed and well defended and they remember that in their national identity even today, it is their DUTY to protect their homeland.
Too many Americans today feel it is their right to get paid because their life wasn’t perfect and some go commit crimes to “get back” at society for their personal issues….
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:00pmJROOK is about as dumb as a person can be. Explain why DC, with its strict gun laws, has far more gun crime than Texas, where many people are armed. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, it that what you want moron????
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atechgeek
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:25pmOMG … is this JROOK person for real .. Holy Moly .. the re tardedness is oooozing out of his brain. I mean that’s bad. Yikes.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:10pmJRook,
Buzz off. If unconstitutional limits exist on the 1st Amendment, that’s hardly justification for imposing unconstitutional limits on the 2nd Amendment. Your thinking is illogical and irrational, devoid of even basic reason and comprised essentially of emotionalism. The rhetorical device of Pathos is hardly convincing in matters of sound Constitutional discussion. And frankly, shame on you, sir, for making hay out of what you see as a political opportunity.
Blood dancing ghouls from the Left (and some on the Right) who take no time to mourn but instead engage in this barbaric wallowing in the blood of the dead to advance a political agenda, are despicable.
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guz75
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:19pm@VRW CONSPIRATOR
Are you really trying to compare gun ownership in America, to gun ownership in Switzerland.
Since 2007 members of the Swiss army have only been allowed to keep their weapons at home, they have no ammunition. Ammo can only be purchased and used at gun ranges and is supplied to them from an armory in the event of an emergency.
They’re also not allowed to carry their weapons unless they have an official reason to.
Their system bears no resemblance to the insane free for all in America. In fact if you’re championing their system, you are advocating much tighter gun control than America has.
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BlasberryStrat
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:58amScrew it. THEY are not going to give up, and kill more and more innocent people until we give up our guns. I say we just give up all our guns and ammo. It’s going to save lives from the Dems SETTING UP these shootings, and save our tax dollars from the Dems PAYING OFF people to do this. Gabby wasn’t enough, so they are going after kids just to prove their point. Hey, they are either going to keep PAYING these people and their families off, or they will soon boost guns and ammo like they did with cigarettes in order to “punish” us for having them. Either way we are paying out the **** so the Dems can get all the guns out of America. Then they will give their Muslim Brotherhood friends the ol “reach around” and authorize to take over our Country without having to fire a shot.
These shootings are WAY TOO COMMON to be anything else but SET UP buy the huge power within our Government and the U.N.. They will stop at nothing to make the US weaker so the one world government can be put in to place, and the one world Muslim religion will be our only choice if we want to stay alive.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:08amI would suggest seeking immediate therapy….you have some mental issues that you need to talk to someone about.
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Locked
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:38am“These shootings are WAY TOO COMMON to be anything else but SET UP buy the huge power within our Government and the U.N.”
… You think the UN is sending American shooters into American schools (often children with guns killing other children)?
Get help. You’re deranged.
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catty
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:46amYou are insane!
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Max jones
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:19pmBLASSBERRYTELE….You know, and I know, but the whole concept is too outrageous for the average person, Blue or Red, to conceive. And I understand the in-credulousness that would follow expanding on the manchurian connection……but I know it is related, I know it in the pit of my stomach. I don’t know how they are doing it, yet, but I will…I am so angry right now and hurt…really hurt..
Killing children is sub-human…..We are hard wired to protect children…It is a genetic dynamic
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Starkadder
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:24pmDose: ever heard of a Manchurian Candidate?
Are you actually so gullible as to believe that these globalist progressives would not sacrifice a few american kids for “the greater good” ?
Open your eyes and look around sometime, They are are everywhere and out to insure that you and me become, and remain, defenseless.
The 2nd amendment is the last remaining barrier to the globalist agenda of dissolving US sovereignty into The New World Order.
We are at WAR. This was an attack. It is psy op’s 101 for gods sake. WAKE UP
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Locked
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:25pm@Starkadder
Apparently it’s more likely in your mind that a UN administrator whispered a code word into this guy’s ear to make him go crazy, than say… oh, having legitimate mental issues and/or hatred toward his parents?
Right. You need help.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:09pmLocked – You Nazis said the Jews were being paranoid when the Nazis were going after them. So excuse me if sane people don’t trust you gun control Nazis.
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HelloWorld
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:57amThese shootings are all an example of the prevalent illness currently in society. Some are desperate, other are mentally ill, and others are without a soul. We are going to continue to see this until we restore the soul of this country. Men came back from WWII and rebuilt this country and were treated with respect. Now, men come back from Iraq and are treat like crap. The soul of this country has to be restored.
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AntonW
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:54amI know this school. It’s on Dickerson Drive, not Dickinson.https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=sandy+hook+elementary+school+newtown+ct&fb=1&gl=us&hq=sandy+hook+elementary+school+newtown+ct&hnear=sandy+hook+elementary+school+newtown+ct&cid=0,0,12853916142175655259&ei=T0vLUJSJNJPm9gSgxYCwBQ&ved=0CKABEPwSMAA
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AntonW
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:58amMake that “Dickenson” it’s right off 84.
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AntonW
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:00amNewtown is a quaint, upscale small village east of Danbury CT. We have good friends that live there and we’ve visited many times. This is horrible. Our friend’s kids all went to that school.
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AntonW
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:16amOne child dead. Ugh
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chips1
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:32pmNow they just said that the deaths could be in the teens.
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SCOTTFREE89
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:52amBarry needs another peace prize.
Scared to send your kid to school, scared to go shopping, scared to go to the movies…
Protect your selfs, this is going to become more common, and get closer to home…
God Bless!~
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Pork_Anvil
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:00amYes, blame it all on the president! Get a job. Stop blaming everything on others. Take responsibility for your own life for once.
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DEFCON4
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:05am* Domestic Terrorism *
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MrSunshine
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:13amStop blaming everything on the Tea party dumb@$$! You libs are the biggest hypocrites ever.
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SCOTTFREE89
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:14amYea sucks being at work, on pay day looking at my taxes that most likely pay for you to eat, all said and done It is on the shoulders of the president, Suicides do track with high unemployment and mass layoffs according to studies, Recession + Depression usually leads to a bad outcome, The largest jump in the suicide rate took place during the Great Depression, when it soared to an all-time high of 22.1 suicides per 100,000 individuals. That was a 22.8% increase in 1932 from 1928 in the next couple years we will replace that with the time of barry s presidency.
Pork maybe you can help boost this statistic and do most of us a favor?
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Zipit
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:05pmYeah Pork, you’re right! Because we all know that it is actually Bush’s fault!
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OhioRifleman
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:51amAs desperation in the lower and middle classes increases, the amount and severity of these manner of incidents will increase on a square-curve until the country has had enough. What happens after that?
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HelloWorld
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:58amAgreed! Well said.
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Pork_Anvil
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:51amThis is why the Tea Party needs to be stopped!
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ImJusSayin
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:58amWhat ?
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dont_drive_slow_in_the_left_lane_obliviot
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:59amExplain?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:01amYeah PORKY, those murdering TEA Party thugs have just amuck and now shoot up schools like the Palestinians, their natural allies do. Ooops……no…….wait, the Palestinians are allied with you left wing loons, and no, the TEA Party activists have never shot anything up. Frankly, lately it has been some 19 to 24 year old male who has lost a girlfriend, job, or expelled from school who usually has some left wing tendencies who have shot various venues up. Wow Porky, imagine that?
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MilitaryDad
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:03amAnd this has exactly WHAT to do with the Tea Party? There is zero information in your statement.
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DEFCON4
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:08am@Militarydad, That’s Porky’s “M.O.”.
He’s nothing more than a “hate-baiter”!
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Lordchamp
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:11amAlmost every incident of recent times has been some left leaning loon. NOT conservative tea party type folks. There are two gun cultures out there. The big city, gang type mentality and the conservative, stable, responsible mentality. Rarely do you hear of a shooting from the latter because to them guns are merely tools…just like a hammer or screwdriver.
To the big city, gang type mentality, guns are a symbol of power and prestige. To be flaunted and used to threaten and kill. Nothing at all to do with the guns themselves.
Inanimate objects can do nothing on their own.
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Pork_Anvil
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:13amDetails are emerging. Tea Party related.
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trolltrainer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:33amPork_Anvil
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:13am
Details are emerging. Tea Party related.
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Really? That is not what CNN and FNC are reporting.
Oh…You watch MSNBC…
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 12:14pmI’ve had this story up and checking CNN, BSNBC, as well as Fox and some radio news broadcasts. Have heard nothing mentioned of the TEA Party. Maybe another ABC shoot first ask questions later journalists may again wish that. The mayor of the city was only a moment ago interviewed and other than there was a shooting that resulted in a number of injuries, some serious, and that the shooter is dead, there are no other details coming out. So PORKY, I can only say that you are a liar.
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My Two Cents
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:47pmWrong pal. This is why responsible law abiding citizens including teachers should be able to carry anywhere all the time. Lives could have been saved were it not for the fact that you cannot legally carry on school property.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 5:11pmPork_Anvil – Spoken like a true supporter of a Marxist dictatorship. How dare that anybody else that doesn’t agree with your backward ideology get to say whatever they want.
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bikerdogred1
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:48amAll these shootings take place in democrat states,what a bunch of violent people,the president gets the peace prize for I don’t know why he sends troops all over to kill and for our troops to be killed,he is nothing but a violent black man.
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Pork_Anvil
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:52amI can disregard your flawed “logic,” but it’s hard to disregard your pathetic grammar and punctuation. Mercy me!
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Red Meat
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:56amIf teachers were allowed to carry personal protection these headlines might read differently. CT, LOL….WGAS really?
Remember, when seconds count, cops are hours away.
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DoseofReality
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 11:04amWow – what an idiotic comment – did you make it through elementary school with that logic and grammar?
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:59pm@RED MEAT
Excellent point. Cops are always a day late and a dollar short but that is okay with the libs because they don’t like a self defense and rare steak!
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rdietz7
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:46amThis sucks! Why are they doing this? Who is doing this?
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searching for the Truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 1:44pmsatan.
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searching for the Truth
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:05pmDrugs- a gateway for satan – prayer taken out of school – the barrier removed.
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trolltrainer
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:37amGod help us…There is just going to be more and more of this…
An elementary school. Damn…
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EqualForce
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:50amMy thoughts exactly….an elementary school.
Schools, like home, should be a safe haven for all children.
I pray for limited injuries and for the safety of everyone involved.
Give your family an extra hug this evening and try to help those in their time of need this season.
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 2:35pmGee if people had jobs they wouldn’t have the time to ruminate on all those little things that irritate them.
YOU LISTENING PRESIDENT OBAMA !!!
THIS LAY’S SQUARELY AT YOUR FEET.
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searcher619
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 3:21pmSCREW-WINDOWS:
How do you figure? Crazy people will do crazy things. How can you even begin to rationalize blaming Obama or any other politician?
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on December 14, 2012 at 4:03pm@ searcher619
Believe me I know these type of people and when you loose all hope there is nothing left to lose and the irritants in life build and Obama is compounding the hopelessness.
Like Rush says “Don’t Doubt Me”.
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