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Man Opens Fire at Alabama Hospital, Wounding 3 Before Being Shot & Killed by Police

Dec. 15, 2012 2:14pm Madeleine Morgenstern

Man Opens Fire at Alabama St. Vincents Hospital, Wounding 3 Before Being Shot & Killed by Police

Birmingham police arrive at the scene of a shooting at St. Vincent’s Hospital on Saturday, Dec. 15, 2012 in Birmingham, Ala. Authorities in Alabama say a man opened fire the hospital, wounding an officer and two employees before he was fatally shot by police. Birmingham Police Sgt. Johnny Williams says the officer and employees suffered injuries that are not considered life-threatening. (AP)

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — A man opened fire early Saturday at a hospital in Alabama, wounding a police officer and two employees before being shot and killed by another officer, authorities said.

Police were sent to St. Vincent’s Hospital around 4 a.m. to check on a report of an armed man inside the facility. Two officers who arrived separately converged on the suspect on the hospital’s fifth floor.

“When the officer encountered the suspect, there was immediate gunfire from the suspect,” Birmingham Police Sgt. Johnny Williams said. One police officer and two hospital employees who happened to be in the area were wounded.

A second officer shot back, mortally wounding the suspect.

Williams said detectives were still trying to determine Saturday why the armed man was in the hospital. Authorities did not immediately release the names of the assailant or the victims.

A handful of cardiac patients and several staff members were on the fifth floor, hospital spokeswoman Liz Moore told reporters during a news conference. She said the hospital is secure and stable, and patient care was not interrupted.

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taintso
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:46pm
I have an Idea. Since gun control laws only apply to honest Americans ( not criminals or nut cases ) Lets pass one that disarms the Police, and if that works out well we can discuss the possibilities of a Constitutional Convention to modify or abolish the second amendment.

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- oldduffer
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:55pm
  Outta sight beautiful idea. Love it.
  
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:08pm
  Is that not what they have done in England?
  
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- rickc34
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:21pm
  The Manchurian Gunmen or what?
  
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- commies.in.the.wire
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:26pm
  The Brits sure are sorry the government tricked them into a gun ban.
  
  Street crime with guns up 40%
  
  Time for us to draw a line and stand our ground.
  
  Freedom is only for those who have the guts to defend it!
  
  Their message to us here in America.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUbvvRlN0U
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:37pm
  Why do the police get to use guns to defend themselves and to get rid of these maniacs, but ordinary citizens are prohibited from using a gun to defend themselves to get rid of these same maniacs? Is the life of a police worth more than the life of a teacher and her students, or the life of a nurse? All men are created equal. We all have the right to defend our life. America, our right to keep and bear arms shall never be infringed. Liberals and their stupid polices are stupid. Start calling them out, please.
  
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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:00pm
  Valiant.. No one is stopping you from becoming a cop.
  
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- decendentof56
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:07pm
  @Valient1776 “Why do the police get to use guns to defend themselves and to get rid of these maniacs, but ordinary citizens are prohibited……… Is the life of a police worth more than the life of a teacher and her students, or the life of a nurse?”
  
  That is a good point and one I’ve pondered since laws wriiten to give a death sentence to anyone found guilty of killing only a police officer were written.
  Better to be judged by twelve than carried by 6, I say.
  
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- SUNTZU
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:17pm
  Where are the stories about the number of times
  a gun was used to stop a crime or save lives today.
  And not the police or military…
  
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- NoMoMrNiceGuy
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:40pm
  Better yet – let’s pass a law that criminals cannot carry firearms. Once all the crime stops because the “GOV” passed a law saying bad guys cannot have them then we can talk about me giving up my weapons !
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:23pm
  @KEATONC33 Your comments are becoming really irrelevant to me, as they never offer any ounce of evidence to refute anything I’ve said. Are you Encinom’s brother?
  
  I have to become a cop in order to have a chance to protect myself against a maniac? You’re a complete idiot if you truly believe that. Did you not read any of the reports? An teacher, school psychiatrist, and the principle, all unarmed, tried to attack and confront the lunatic, with mere hands and feet, and they all failed. Do you really think they had a chance against this maniac? If a maniac breaks into your home, and attack you, would you rather have long nails, a cell phone, banana, or pistol to defend yourself and your family?
  
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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 9:25pm
  Why all these mass shootings lately? Is it some gov’t psych ops being used to get people to demand gun control?
  
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- LogCabinRepublican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 4:28am
  The only gun control we need is a Stricter application process. First DO NOT allow someone who has a psychological disorder to get guns and DO NOT allow someone to get them that has a drug or alcohol problem. Also, a psychological test should be done for those that aren’t or haven’t been diagnosed yet. Tell me if this doesn’t make sense? Because banning them isn’t the solution.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 6:28am
  @LOGCABINREPUBLICAN It won’t work. Connecticut was a very strict state concerning guns. What if a sane person buys a gun and then one year later goes crazy? The only prevention plan is to be ready and prepared for any such event. Leaving innocent, defenseless kids in school without any security or protection because of Gun-free zones is one reason this slaughter was allowed to happen. Not treating this maniac for mental health issues when he was young because of political correctness is another.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:37am
  @valient
  police use their guns to protect others. If they were only concerned about protecting themselves, they would have not chosen to be a cop. They have a sense of duty, of selflessness, or service to others.
  Perhaps that’s why keaton suggested you didn’t become a cop.
  
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dublinthewagons
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:40pm
Coon hinting without a license. No. Wanted to shoot a Christmas turkey. No
He was confused and thought he was at the gun range.

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truthnstuff
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:37pm
How about we ban all the violence and the glorification of violence in the entertainment industry. Maybe all the pants on the floor crowd and rappers spewing murder and violence along with games teaching kids how to kill might do more than banning guns. How about 0bama not inciting his commie crowds and the class warfare he pushes being condemned. Welcome to the beginning of Nazi Germany.

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 8:10pm
  The morning of the CT school shooting my wife and I had a discussion.
  In the bigger picture this is all happening because of the condition we are now in.
  Hopelessness, helplessness, hate, division, class warfare, vitriol, vast swaths of the
  population impoverished, rampant unemployment, rampant welfare, etc, etc, etc.
  
  Welcome to Barry’s Communist USSA Amerika. Expect acts of desperation to continue
  to escalate.
  
  Thanks Barry you Commie POS.
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 8:51pm
  BUDDYBAG . . . Sorry, but it’s all on conservatives and Fox News. Period. If you weren’t such a nancy boy, you’d have the cajones to admit it your irrational hate and join the human race. End your hypocrisy, BB. Nice T-shirt by the way.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:15pm
  Hey pantload! The insurance company called again! They’ve settled on the content of your brain! $1
  Don’t spend it all in one place!!!
  
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- caveman74
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:08am
  What kind of stupid are you pantload? How does any of these shootings have anything to do with conservatives or faux news? All these shooters are long haired socially awkward 20 something deadbeats. These little boys probably dont even know what fox news is, but what they do know from two decades of being told by lib parents and lib schools is if it feels good do it, and they are special no matter what. I am surprised they were able to pull their eyes away from their smart phone or x-box long enough to locate real guns. You want to fix this country start at the bottom by returning letter grades to report cards and letting kids solve their problems on the play ground. I was a terror as a kid but it put me in my place when i had to hand that report card with an F on it to my parents, and it taught me to have more respect for my peers when a kid would give me a black eye (deserved) because I was acting like a d-bag…These things prepared me for the real world…Iphones and PS3 games aren’t doing it for our kids for sure
  
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neverending
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:34pm
Oh no – barry boy is going to have to conjure up some or one more fake tear. Thoughts and prayers with the wounded but so thankful the gunman was taken out. Who knows how many lives that saved.

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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:42pm
  Not knowing all the facts Barry will say the police acted stupidly.
  
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:10pm
  @Neverending:
  
  Yes Obama will act and create more fake fears for the purpose of gun-grabbing; and the fact is as more and more of these shootings occur the leftist media will hype them to ever-higher levels of fear and terror. How many more shootings and events will happen?
  
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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:07pm
  You know… just because the majority of the people who comment on this site are completely heartless and used the tragedy yesterday to make asinine political points and conspiracies before those children’s bodies were even cold, doesn’t mean everyone is incapable of feeling emotion after this tragedy.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:26pm
  @KEATONC33 Are you blind and death? Every liberal media outlet went all out on making this political. Piers Morgan, Rachel Madcow, and host of others went straight to talking guns and laws on their TV shows, last night. It is always liberals that will make a tragedy a perfect excuse to advance their agenda.
  
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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 9:56pm
  Fox and these comments were no different. even more sad because the people who comment on here should not be pushing an agenda. yet they were just as vile as ever.. are you blind and deaf/ or do you acknowledge that?
  
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- catty
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:34pm
  He killed himself
  
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dublinthewagons
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:28pm
Stressed out. No job, living on food stamps, drinking government clorinated water, eating government regulated & inspected food, harmful rays from his government approved, mercury lightbulbs, wearing a seatbelt that’s too tight, manditory insurance and taxes past due, the U.S. postal service is late delivering his unemployment check and politicians telling him lies about understanding his problems.
WHAT WE NEED HERE IS MORE REGULATIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT

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- Nlitend1
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:27pm
  Yea, the government does a lot for us . . . it’s really funny how you are so sarcastic about safe water, food and seat belts. I love the line about light bulbs, soo current and important! Food stamps and unemployment are really funny too, but you have to say it with a condescending voice and make some snarky reference to black people. Great job, you are so insightful and funny. Are you a comedian in real life?
  
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- dosdelgados
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 7:56pm
  WHERE in Dublin’s post is there any reference to race?
  
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RestoreCapitalism
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:26pm
So the question is was it the fact that the police were wearing uniforms sanctioned by the government that stopped this man before he continued his rampage, or was it the fact that they had GUNS. When citizens don’t have guns, the death toll will be higher, when they have guns, they will be able to stop the attacker.

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afishfarted
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:05pm
yeah, boy howdy. Them gun free zones really make a fella feel safe, don’t they

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:10pm
  Oh, I can assure that Birmingham is in no way a gun free zone much like Chicago. Its our state’s crime capital.
  
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- afishfarted
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:17pm
  Yeah, but it’s a pretty safe bet the hospital is. Like schools and such.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:25pm
  @Fish
  
  It depends. Lots of states have no prohibitions per se against firearms in hospitals. They leave it up to the hospital executives to make that call. Not always the case of course.
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:30pm
  here come the copycats
  
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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:30pm
  The print on signs was not BOLD ENOUGH in his language
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:45pm
  iampraying4u
  here come the copycats
  ***
  It would not hurt to have a copycat to be executed, to be seen being executed & to be seen sniveling like John Wayne Gacy.
  
  To be see crying on the way to execution would do wonders. It would look so pathetic & so uncool that many people would think yes I have issues (real or imagined). There are many people In would like to harm, but I do not want to be like the loser that was crying on the way to execution.
  
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- afishfarted
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:00pm
  ‘Precaite that Ghost. I know every hospital in Tn I’ve been to has that ban. So I took an edducated guess that any facility receiving feeral funds has to play by their rules. Gla to hear some don’t
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:13pm
  FISHFART . . . That what you call it, and educated guess? According to Tennessee statute there is no restriction on concealed carry in a hospital. In fact, according to statue 39-17-1306, if a proceeding typically held in a courtroom, where gun carry is illegal, were taking lace in a hospital room, then gun carry would be legal. So even in the presence of a judge during a legal proceeding, if it’s happening in a hospital you can carry. Apparently, you’ve never actually been to a hospital in Tennessee. But you might if another redneck hyped up on Fox News and Bill O’Reilly books decides to shoot up a Knoxville Unitarian church full of ids.
  
  But hey, who cares about facts and truth and reality . . . certainly not conservatives.
  
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BHOHG2G
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:05pm
I’m just wondering if these kooks think maybe the world is really going to end on 12/21/12. I know this is a reach, but three incidents in less than a week seems a little suspicious and almost a week to go. Keep your eyes open and watch you backs.
Remember, Y2K brought out the loonies too. Maybe these soick people are trying to help things along.
A few weeks ago we had a temp worker at my job. He was early 20′s and wouldn’t shut up about the end of the world and how he hoped it would happen as his life wasn’t worth living. Just food for thought.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:11pm
  That’s actually a rather sane “conspiracy theory”. Anticipation of major world events does tend to draw out the…mentally challenged…in societies.
  
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- TROLLMONGER
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:18pm
  WOW!…talk about paranoia! You fit in really well with Becks cult of fear…LOL!
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:40pm
  I cannot wait for December 21, 2012, so that we can put this lunacy behind us.
  
  I have heard of this end of the world stuff for 6 years now. I am sick of it. For people who say they are Christian & are awaiting the 2nd coming there is a rebuttal. “”No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, ” Mathew 24:36
  
  For those who believe in the Mayan calendar, why don’t then also believe in the Mayan religion? On top of that they have a Mayan religious guy who said there is nothing to it. They just hadn’t got around to extending the calendar (counting that high).
  
  Certainly people have made money selling content for cable TV.
  
  The bad economy doesn’t help. The lower unemployment rate is bogus. The labor participation rate tells the truth. There are a lot of unhappy people out there, who have no future.
  
  At least after the 21st of a month or two thereafter, we will have to only deal with a bad economy & not this infectious lunatic meme.
  
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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:59pm
  Did I miss the memo
  
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- skippy6
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:00pm
  @ Turdmuncher.. I think you have an asteroid near Uranus!!!!!!
  
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- BHOHG2G
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 6:35pm
  I didn’t mean to imply that I believe in that nonsense, but a lot of uninformed people do.
  BTW trollmonger, instead of always whining about things what would YOU do to stop the mass murders going on. I want details. Not just “More gun control”. What would you do?
  Confiscate guns maybe? If so then you’re elected to start knocking on doors.
  
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- Pantloadian
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:33pm
  WANKALOT . .. It’s called The Rapture, you blasphemer.
  
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HelloWorld
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:51pm
Perhaps the economy is not doing quite as well as one is led to believe. This certainly looks like a great deal of stress. People don’t just walk into hospitals and shoot unless it’s a gang retaliation of some kind and that has benn solved by the police officer’s that are in county hospitals. Not security.

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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:22pm
  This is only the beginning wait till Obamacare is fully implemented.
  
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- catty
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:57pm
  did you actually read the article?
  
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- HelloWorld
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:47pm
  Catty: What part of the article do you think I missed?
  
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BoJacksonFive
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:50pm
Sounds like a “one up” type copycat. Maybe the shooter felt that someone even more defenseless than little kids are hospital patients….

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TROLLMONGER
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:44pm
Before any description of the suspect has come out the right wing Beckbots are already assuming the guy is a muslim terrorist. Pathetic!

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- BHOHG2G
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:50pm
  So far you’re the only one to mention it….racist!
  
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- KevINtampa
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:55pm
  Because there is no description I must assume the perp is either black or brown. When it’s a white dude we’re generally informed of the race right away.
  
  I’m not say’in, I’m just say’in.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:08pm
  Okay TROG, don’t know where you are reading that, but it seems to me that you are just making things up again. Nothing new for you.
  Just did some research, the shooter has not been identified by name yet, but he was identified as a man who security had to expel from the building around 8:30 the night before when he became belligerent when complaining about the treatment of his wife. He slipped back into the building at around 4:00 am with the weapon apparently secreted and made his way to the fifth floor. His identity will be released when once his relatives have all been notified.
  
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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:36pm
  He was ( edumaukted ) in a public school and a degree from a state supported college.
  HE COULDNT READ THE SIGNS
  
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- dosdelgados
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 8:00pm
  RJJ – sounds like the plot of that movie “John Q” with Denzel Washington.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:42pm
Wait, is this article stating that armed men stopped a madman from going on a rampage?

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:51pm
  Exactly. Its the antithesis to the story yesterday.
  
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- DadRocked
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:02pm
  By jove, I believe they are…
  
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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:08pm
  “The German calamity of years ago repeats itself: People acquiesce WITHOUT RESISTANCE and align themselves with the forces evil.”~ Albert Einstein That’s what the vociferous minority getting all the ‘headlines’ want. They’re also now in positions of ‘power.’ BTW — keep an eye on WHY Rice withdrew her name from consideration, and the ‘passout/home recovery’ act the current Sec of State if ‘playing;’ – postponement of Libya thingy etc… Could get interesting over the CHRISTmas season, me thinks… Take care and God Bless. I Enjoy reading your posts :-)
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:34pm
  Im glad the cops didnt have a ban on their guns
  
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applehill
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:37pm
Has the United States just gone mad? What is going on? Have people just given up hope for a better future. We just had a shooting about 5 miles from my house. Some dudes have a shootout with the police. I live in Alabama. I have a conceal carry, but only carry if I’m out late at night. Seems they don’t even seek the cover of darkness to do their deeds.

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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:42pm
  yea this crap isn’t new but we do hear more about it these days
  
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- KevINtampa
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:51pm
  Up has been down and wrong has been right for a long time now. Not just in the States either, the entire world is going through a mental metamorphosis. I’m beginning to think humans are more “in tune” with the Earth’s polarity than anyone might know. To me, it’s the only thing that makes sense. The faster the poles complete the charge change the more ridiculous we are becoming, like wolves howling instinctively on the full moon.
  
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- Polarized America
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:57pm
  “but only carry if I’m out late at night”…do you have a laser sight ?
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:13pm
  APPLEHILL, Don’t quite understand your reaction. We can hardly pick up the paper, turn on either the local radio or TV news and the first things are always about crime in Birmingham, usually with plenty of shootings. Its nothing new, just the prime time to put any shootings in the national view today.
  
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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:36pm
I guess…if you’re going to get shot, that’s the place to be.

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uzeguize
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:35pm
Saint Vincent’s Hospital. No one, but the gunman killed. Perhaps God was with them. O come O come Emmanuel!

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- saranda
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:48pm
  But God was not “with” the children of Newtown? No rational person could believe that.
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:34pm
One of my sisters was an ICU nurse at this hospital many years ago. I’ve been there a number of times, and know the area somewhat. I’d venture to say that the shooter in this case had something of a grudge against somebody within the building, most likely a girlfriend or spouse. Or, there is the chance of drug involvement. Wonder how quickly 0bama will jump to identify this shooting as “work place violence?”

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- DadRocked
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:05pm
  That’s possible but my speculation puts this closer to the pharmacy.
  4a shooting? Minimal staff, people into their mid-shift on a Friday night?
  Just speculation that he was cornered and tried to bolt when the alarms went off…
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:55pm
  DADROCKED, I was just speculating too. But, it turned out to be a patient’s spouse who flipped out and was removed from the building the night before.
  
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- DadRocked
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:31pm
  I’ve reread the article and see no mention of this.
  Is this something that has been a follow up to this story?
  If so then your speculation was on the money. And if so, would you mind speculating to 3 numbers for the pick six lotto for me? I can’t seem to get past 3. 8-)
  Good to you from you again RJJ !
  
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- DadRocked
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:32pm
  Now I see…
  So about those 3 numbers…
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:57am
  DADROCKED, I hope that you are reading this. Sorry that I did not get back earlier and answer your question. As I posted above, I did some research online and found that information. I live just 70 miles north of B’ham and had to read the story here on The Blaze. There was some mention of the story on last night’s local news, and it is in the paper this morning. Along with two other shootings in the state. Bet Chicago had many times more than this within a few hours yesterday. You know, that gun free zone.
  
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:33pm
Yet another reason for gun control. How much more massacre and bloodshed is required for you dumb right wingers to get this through your feeble brains?!?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:55pm
  Actually, idiot, what’s unbelievable is that you don’t notice that this guy killed nobody because he was stopped cold by armed good guys. That’s the direct opposite of advocacy for more gun control.
  
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- TORCH9
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:58pm
  The usual blind response from …….. (fill in the blank)
  
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- dissentnow
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:06pm
  Name one law that isn’t already on the books that would have prevented the Conn school shooting?
  You can ban guns tomorrow and there will still be bad people who use guns to do bad things. Why? Because bad people don’t follow the law. Its just that simple.
  How come liberals are the first ones to scream about how drug prohibition causes more violence and more crime but, yet, they support gun prohibition?
  
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- matt_c
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:10pm
  Then the nut jobs will just go Tim McVeigh on whoever they have a grudge with and blow up the whole damn school, hospital, or government building. Humans have this uncanny ability to adapt, you see. Even if you somehow got rid of all the guns, and you won’t ever even come remotely close, people would just find new and “better” ways to off one another.
  
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- BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 4:13pm
  Gun control. Now, is this something you believe in Trollmonger, or are you just regurgitating the thoughts and ideas heard elsewhere? The reason I ask is, if you believe in gun control then you must have given the topic some thought, you have specific suggestions. If you do, throw them out there, lets debate them. But, if its just a talking point that you have espoused because its the popular thing to do within whatever group you affiliate with then you won’t have any realistic, meaningful ideas to offer. Ct has some of the strictist gun control laws in the nation. The perp in this situation was still able to aquire a method to do evil. The only thing “more” laws will do at this point is ensure that “more” laws will be broken. A meaningful debate should look at the reason “why.” Why do some people resort to violence?
  
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ResistSocialism
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:32pm
At least they took him out quickly. Arm the good guys everywhere! This notion that somehow more laws will help is just insane.

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chips1
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:31pm
Good guys with guns saved lives. Obama isn’t going to like this one little bit.

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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:38pm
  you might think he would shed at least one crocodile tear
  
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DadRocked
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:29pm
Here we go again…

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momrules
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:24pm
Ah sweet Jesus……not more, not now.

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Cemoto78
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:23pm
At least the perpetrator was disposed of before another costly trial and hearing how his mommy didn’t coddle him when he was growing up.

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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:31pm
  Look at the waste of time and money on the Ft. Hood shooter.
  
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BasketFullOfPuppies
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:20pm
They always go where the guns aren’t. It’s sad how that works out.

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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:28pm
  how black is that Jamie Fox
  
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randy
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:19pm
No names released, media not guessing his motives, no photos…….. Hmmmmmm , I’m guessing he looks like an Obama son.

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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:27pm
  dito
  
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- Steelhead
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:30pm
  a preemptive playing of the race card from the right wing, how typical of a beckerhead
  
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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:33pm
  yea just to get the jump on MSNBC and the like I wonder his skin color lol
  
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- chips1
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:37pm
  STEELHEAD:
  If Randy is correct, you need to appologize. You can be the first liberal to do so.
  
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- randy
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:46pm
  Yep Peck%rhead…
  
  Hmmmmmmm DOJ statistics:
  -Blacks 39 times more like to commit crime against whites
  -35,000 black on white rapes reported per year
  -9 (nine!) white on black rapes
  (This means that every day, over 100 white women are raped or sexually assaulted by black men)
  -Over 3000 black on white gang rapes
  -White on black gang rapes “so rare” they do not even show up on statistics.
  
  SO yeah, betcha he’s black.
  
  And thanks to Obama, your race baiter in the White House, I won’t be apologizing if I’m wrong.
  
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- JRGJR
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:47pm
  steelhead
  He’s not playing the race card. It was in Birminghan, he was playing the odds.
  
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- randy
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:51pm
  Oh Yeah BLOCKHEAD……
  
  Birmingham Population based on race….
  Black – 155,258 (73.2%)
  White – 44,819 (21.1%)
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:17pm
Ban hospitals?

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- stopprintn
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:37pm
  Spoons must go too, we have to many fat people.
  
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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:43pm
  @stopprintn ah but your keeping the fork and knife eh
  
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- commies.in.the.wire
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 2:53pm
  Ban psychotropic drugs!
  
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- SovereignSoul
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:23pm
  Stop thinking small..ban people and be done with it!
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:35pm
  Obama is working on it.
  
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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 3:58pm
  @SovereignSoul China does ban people but they still have the problem
  
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- SovereignSoul
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 5:23pm
  Apparently, they haven’t banned enough of them or there wouldn’t be a problem.
  SARCASM for those of you that have trouble identifying it.
  
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