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School Adviser: CT Killer a Loner Who Was ‘Nervous Around People’ and Felt No Pain — Emotionally or Physically

Dec. 15, 2012 9:50pm Erica Ritz

Adviser: CT School Shooter Adam Lanza a Loner Who Felt No Pain, Emotionally or Physically

(Photo: AP)

(TheBlaze/AP) — At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza had trouble relating to fellow students and teachers, but that was only part of his problem. He seemed not to feel physical or emotional pain in the same way as classmates.

Richard Novia, the school district’s head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the school technology club, said Lanza clearly “had some disabilities.”

“If that boy would’ve burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically,” Novia told The Associated Press in a phone interview. “It was my job to pay close attention to that.”

Novia was responsible for monitoring students as they used soldering tools and other potentially dangerous electrical equipment.

He recalled meeting with school guidance counselors, administrators and with the boy’s mother, Nancy Lanza, to understand his problems and find ways to ensure his safety. But there were others crises only his mother could solve.

“He would have an episode, and she’d have to return or come to the high school and deal with it,” Novia said, describing how the young man would sometimes withdraw completely “from whatever he was supposed to be doing,” whether it was sitting in class or reading a book.

Adam Lanza “could take flight, which I think was the big issue, and it wasn’t a rebellious or defiant thing,” Novia said. “It was withdrawal.”

Authorities on Saturday continued a wide-ranging investigation into the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, trying to understand what led the young man to kill his mother in their home and then slaughter 26 children and adults at a Connecticut elementary school before taking his own life.

Back in their teenage years, Adam and his older brother, Ryan, were both members of the tech club, which offered students a chance to work on computers, videotape school events and produce public-access broadcasts.

This undated photo shows Adam Lanza, third from the right, posing for a group photo of the technology club which appeared in the Newtown High School yearbook. Authorities have identified Lanza as the gunman who killed his mother at their home and then opened fire Friday, Dec. 14, 2012, inside an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. , killing 26 people, including 20 children, before killing himself. (Photo: AP)

It was popular among socially awkward students. But Adam, while clearly smart, had problems that went beyond a normal adolescent lack of social skills, Novia said.

“You had yourself a very scared young boy, who was very nervous around people he could trust or he refused to speak with,” Novia said.

The club provided a setting for students to build lasting friendships. But while other members were acquainted with Adam, none was close to him.

“Have you found his best friend? Have you found a friend?” Novia asked. “You’re not going to. He was a loner.”

Adam was not physically bullied, although he may have been teased, Novia said.

The club gave the boy a place where he could be more at ease and indulge his interest in computers. His anxieties appeared to ease somewhat, but they never disappeared. When people approached him in the hallways, he would press himself against the wall or walk in a different direction, clutching tight to his black case.

“The behavior would be more like an 8-year-old who refuses to give up his teddy bear,” Novia said. “What you knew with Adam is it was a possession. It was not a possession to be put at risk.”

Even so, Novia said, his primary concern was that Adam might become a target for abuse by his fellow students, not that he might become a threat.

A mother hugs her children after paying tribute to the victims of an elementary school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, on December 15, 2012. (Photo: AFP/Getty Images)

“Somewhere along in the last four years, there were significant changes that led to what has happened,” Novia said. “I could never have foreseen him doing that.”

Jim McDade, who lives a few houses from where Nancy Lanza was slain, said his family became acquainted with the two brothers and their mother because their children were about the same ages and rode the school bus together.

“There was certainly no indication of anything unusual that lets you think that a kid’s going to do something like that,” said McDade, who works in finance in New York. “There was nothing that would indicate anything going on behind the scenes that would lead to this horrible mess.”

He recalled Adam Lanza as “a very bright kid.”

The Associated Press has more, including interviews with Lanza’s neighbors:

Olivia DeVivo, a student at the University of Connecticut, was in Adam Lanza’s 10th grade English class.

“He was very different and very shy and didn’t make an effort to interact with anybody,” she said.

DeVivo said Lanza always carried a briefcase and wore his shirts buttoned up to the top button. She said he seemed bright but never really participated in class.

“Now looking back, it’s kind of like `OK, he had all these signs,’ but you can’t say every shy person would do something like this.”

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Associated Press writers Michael Melia and Jim Fitzgerald in Newtown, Conn., and Denise Lavoie in Stamford, Conn., contributed to this report.

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Comments (142)

monkombre
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:40am
yo fredick,
‘hope she burns’ no wonder they hate Christ, what reproach you bring…

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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:12am
  I was responding to some ladies comment about the monsters mother. She commented “I hope his mother burns in hell”. I hit Reply under her comment and started my with reply with “hope she burns?” and then didn’t know what else to say and left it at that. The only hate I feel now is for the cultivators of this culture of death and hedonism that is coming to fruition. Follow the threads.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:33am
  That ladies post to which I responded got deleted – maybe someone reported it. Fwiw – your comment “no wonder they hate Christ” begs an explanation.
  
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V-MindMeld
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:08am
im thinking he probably was picked on and bullied in school, and maybe in this elementary school were he attended……..so he picked this school for his plot? He has unsual looks and stuff,and I know after raising 4 kids how mean the other so called “cool’ kids can be…….. and it does have a lasting effect on a kid,,,,and they all handle it differently,,,they need a lot of love at home to overcome it,,,bullying that is,,,,a sad situation all the way around…..

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- rawmilker
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:30am
  Look, from what I understand is the guy killed his mother and took her guns, then stole another gun from a friend. This whackjob was not a legal, responsible gun owner. he was a mental case, a thief, a criminal and a murderer. More than likely on some sort of medication. God knows the shrinks prescribe anyhting these days to experiment with all these disorders and to make big pharma, mega monies….
  
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- LDSmommy
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:30am
  V-MindMeld Thank you. I have three autistic sons and bullying, the non-acceptance, it DOES last. Not an excuse! My 23 yo is Asperger’s, too and he has very dull emotions and is very, very logical. But, I also know he would never do something like this. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out this young man was jealous (think like a 2-3 yo’s feelings toward their mom) wanted to die and ‘get even’ with those he felt took some of her attention away. Again, NOT an excuse, but perhaps a REASON.
  
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Tired.of.the.stupidity
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:36am
I’m disgusted by you(The Blaze). I’m normally a fan but this story sickens me. I didnt read it but it doesnt matter. I saw his picture and that was enough. Get this idiot of your web site! I don’t care if he had mental problems or not. You are giving him exactly what he wanted. Notoriety. Never give this guy what he wanted. I don’t care how many readers you get. Don’t even call him by name, just “the killer”!

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- Kregneva
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:48am
  Walkabout is an Australian troll team, ask it what country it is in.
  
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- hillbillyinny
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 6:47am
  Hide in your corner, don’t learn anything, don’t read the article, oh yeah, you didin’t!
  
  I’m sorry but everything we can learn from one of these incicdents may help us to learn more about how to prevent VERY SICK PEOPLE from making VERY WRONG DECISIONS!
  
  This young man was a very troubled and very “unconctrolled” individual. Controlling him externally didn’t work. We need to learn more and more about the causes and treatments of autism, it is an extremely difficult problem for the individual involved, the parents, the schools and society at large. Not because those with autism are “dangerous,” but because those with autism struggle in life and cannot live life to the full, they deserve that!
  
  Let’s educate ourselves, lets learn, lets discover and lets bring all of our society to a position of full potential.
  
  God loves everyone, we need to learn that true love should be extended to all in our knowledge, our commitment and our interest.
  
  God be with the families and individuals affected by the tragic and needless event. Lord, help us to learn more about how evil and work in this world.
  
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- toto
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:39pm
  Hillbilly, you are delusional, and also a voyeur.
  
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13thCousinOfTheAntiChrist
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:33am
@Monk Can we take this convo off TheBlaze. Don’t like talking in public… Let’s see what needs to be done.

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- Kregneva
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:50am
  Hey there, munkin! Seal it with a kiss, Doc!
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:03am
  @Kregneva
  
  I’m gonna seal you with a kiss….. LOL.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:16am
  @Kregneva,
  
  I know who you are and I’m waiting for your next reply to solidify your location.
  
  Come on Kregneva and reply to me once more…. LOL @ U
  
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- 13thCousinOfTheAntiChrist
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 3:33am
  @Kregneva Is it too much to ask for you to be rational, or is that beyond the abilities of all of you liberals?
  
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RestoreCapitalism
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:28am
So he was not part of any ‘gun community’? Not and NRA member? Hmmm, so how do we manage to tie him to second amendment supporters? Did you check to see if he was a republican? There must be a connection right? I know, he must be a tea partier…

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RestoreCapitalism
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:24am
So he was not part of any ‘gun community’? Not an NRA member? HMMM, so how can we manage to tie him to second amendment supporters? Did you check to see if he was a republican? There must be a connection, right?

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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:02am
  If the second amendment means to you that there is no concern for who has a gun, everyone has a right to have a gun, then we disagree. Do you disagree with every law that governs who may possess a gun and who may not? Convicted felons, petty criminals, psychiatric patients, good with that?
  
  You can’t make stupid against the law. But you can make it safer for everyone if you make it as hard as possible for dangerous people to have access to firearms. That’s a practical application of the second amendment, not a repeal of it.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:52am
  Making it safe for everyone is making sure people are properly trained in the safe use of firearms. Schools used to train students in the use of arms, they would have target practice, and competitions. But that was back in the day, when the feds stayed out of local schools, when you didn’t hear of lunatics going crazy shooting up places, and when kids were actually taught right and wrong. Everyone, everywhere owned a gun. They used guns to go hunting or shoot beer bottles. No one said anything against guns, or called gun owners nuts. In general, people were respectful, disciplined, normal and had real morals and values and a respect for virtue. Gun owners were the norm. Our culture and society has changed. We don’t need less guns, but more real education. Let us educate our own kids again.
  
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- mauijonny
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 3:51am
  So true, VAL. It was normal for kids to go to school with their guns. But that was a different time, when morality was still an issue and PC was not.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:23am
  In my mind I keep thinking “if only”. If only one of those administrators instead of rushing that monster with their bodies only to be killed could have rushed him with a bullet to the head. They were very courageous ladies. I believe that given the opportunity they would have had the courage to do the right thing and kill the monster. I keep feeling like crying for them but I could never cry enough. If only. .
  
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right field
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:15am
This is a national tragedy and may be the “wake-up call” that must be heard if we are to stop the mentally ill from killing and killing and killing. You can try and take away the guns, but the mentally insane will find a way to kill, maim and destroy life – theirs and others. Our country has lost its moral compass. We “preach” and “dictate” to others about “stopping the violence” and yet we vote to have others pay all our bills, pay for our mistakes in marriage, irresponsible sex, illegitimate births, divorce rates that are sky-high, drug use that is beyond belief, an entertainment industry that is nothing but evil, and zero political leadership from any Democrat, Republican or business leader. WE are trillions in debt and yet we cannot admit that we are morally and economically bankrupt. Things will only get worse and taking the guns away from the sane and law-abiding citizen is a lazy, ill-advised political band-aid that will not work.

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- kywrite
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:11am
  and what will you do with those who are not mentally insane to keep them from killing and killing and killing? This is NOT a case that should color your impression of all mentally disturbed people.
  
  I have a son who has PDD/NOS. He is just a **** shy of Asperger’s. I have a milder case of what he has myself. These children obsess over things; in his case, it’s a harmless obsession with medieval knights and similarly themed video games.
  
  I read these descriptions of the shooter and his mom, and it gives me chills. *I* used to have to pick up my son from a Connecticut school when he had withdrawn, growling, under a desk. *I* had to deal with his sometimes-violent outbursts in public. I was perhaps fortunate. Because I understood a little of what he was going through, I found a way to break through to him, get him to care and feel. My husband, who is not his natural father, has always been brilliant with him, loving and caring but strict enough to give him firm boundaries.
  
  What was the problem with the shooter? I don’t know. It was not simply autism, or a personality disorder, or the presence of guns in the house, or some hatred he still bore toward his school, or something his mother had done. I suspect part of it was the absence of his father – not just after the divorce, but before, when he was likely working long hours in the city away from home to build his career. It may also have been a lack of boundaries, something that might seem to be a good response to (cont
  
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- kywrite
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:35am
  **(Sorry, this was to Not A Crazy below)
  
  response to children like this. In fact, they need firmly structured homes with strict rules. If he wasn’t getting that, and if in a home filled with guns and survivalist rhetoric he had started obsessing about shooting others who were a threat to him, then I can easily see why he would respond by going to a school and doing what he did.
  
  I’m not excusing it. But you can’t blame everyone else with similar problems for it, and you can’t lock them all up. We don’t have enough facilities in the world to lock them up, anyway. What you can do is help out relatives who may be having trouble with their own troubled children – not by offering unsolicited advice, but by offering to relieve them as caregivers from time to time.
  
  There is no easy solution. There is also no way to keep your children safe 100% of the time. They can be killed in a million ways: stray gang bullet, drunk drivers (and you can’t lock all those up either, unfortunately), terrorists, wrong place at the wrong time. All you can do is look for places you might be able to help before terrible things happen, and pray that God grants you the wisdom and courage to act when you see those places.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:39am
  The government can’t stop it. We are personally responsible for our own safety. One teacher or administrator with a pistol could have stopped this. Disarming ourselves in order to protect ourselves is a concept bred of insanity and cowardice.
  
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spfoam1
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:03am
There will always be people who kill others, and they will find one way or another to do it. There is no law that will stop them. There is no defense we can put in place everywhere all the time. No government can protect us from them all. This time it was a kid with problems. Next time, maybe another Charles Manson, or a muslim.

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DarkJello
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:51pm
Regressives are blaming the gun, and a need for “better gun laws”, as the main cause of this horrible tragedy. No law can ever stop these types of events!! Criminals break the law. Criminals choose to hurt others. Criminals don’t care how many millions and millions of laws are written. But our current culture that downplays responsibility, confuses the meaning of mercy, and is beholden to moral relativisim DOES cause these crimes to occur more frequently.

The current crop of christian hating and radical muslim loving big gooberment progressives–repubs and dems alike–are the root of the problem. Do not trust in the arm of flesh.

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- dlanod
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 3:06pm
  you’re on the money. the liberials know that haveing guns lower crime but its their agenda that their after. they have come a long ways the last 4 years. but know that to reach their goal that WE the people must be disarmed. an any crisis like this futhers there agenda. yea i know it a terrible thing to say. but the truth of it is that. liberials will not be happy till they control every thing.an most are godless an in that lies the problem
  
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mellowlady
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:41pm
I hope his mother burns in hell. You have a screwed up kid like that and yet you keep a bunch of guns and loads of ammo around the house where the kid can get it? Stupid mommy you burn in hell. I’m NOT for gun control. I’m for parents of screwed up kids to take responsibility for them.

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sinner-saint
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:23pm
Don’t ya just love parents who destroy their own child, create a freak show and can’t figure out what went wrong? Don’t ya just love parents who don’t secure their guns properly? Don’t ya just love parents who so selfish, self-centerted, irrespoinsible, unaccountable and stupid? Evil had nothing to do with any of this. Don’t give the devil credit where credit isn’t due. All this is, is self will run riot…..self-destructive behavior.

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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:02am
  We don’t know how his mother secured her guns. If it had fingerprint ID to open the safe he could have used her hand after he killed her. We just don’t know.
  
  I do know that bullying is a probabilistic predictor of making people hateful or causing the to self destruct. that is one thing atheist don’t get. We all engage in sin sometime in our life or periodically the same sin such as bullying. And it has an effect. This young man is the proximate cause of the shooting & the onus is on him, but that” train didn’t start moving all by itself”.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:02pm
  [I do know that bullying is a probabilistic predictor of making people hateful or causing the to self destruct. that is one thing atheist don’t get.]
  Oh oh thank you Professor Bigot. I’m so glad you diagnosed us atheist as being completely obtuse when it comes to the nature of humans.
  
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- toto
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:37pm
  Would bet the numbing violence in video games and rap music with the accentuation on the bad guys as “stars” in them, is a MAJOR player in all this, ad to that, the INCESSANT media hype of these tragedies puts the next nut case over the top in seeking to be the next STAR of media attention.
  
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NOT A CRAZY
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:21pm
It is time for ALL of these mental cases to go back into lock-up. Anyone else remember when “people” like this were kept in mental institutions where they belong? The same bleeding heart idiots that want to blame this on guns are the same leftist maroons who insisted on turning these psycho’s loose on society.

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- cliffattheblaze
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:31am
  Not A Crazy,
  
  I was almost thinking the same thing when the Aurora Century 16 shooting happened. But then I thought “What if someone in the government or in authority somewhere decides to use that to put their enemies away like they used to do in the Soviet Union?” I’m old enough to remember how governments have treated their people in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, North Korea, Iraq, Communist China, etc. Just because you’re not crazy, do you think it will matter?
  
  What makes you think that anyone is safe from that? After thinking about it, I decided that as truly horrible as these murders are, I’d rather tolerate them than give the government the ability to lock up anyone they want any time they want.
  
  Besides, out of all the crazy people walking the streets of the US right now, only one in hundreds of thousands commits one of these crimes. How will you know which ones to lock up? His dad was rich. Do you REALLY think he would have been one of the crazy people selected to be locked up?
  
  You simply cannot stop this. It is the result of evil, plain and simple. I suppose you could work on stopping the evil, but I think that’s unconstitutional right now.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:02am
  Cliff…I know exactly what you are saying, and I agree, but our government already uses whatever they want to lock up people. The true lunatics used to be locked up for the good of society and that is were they need to be now. We cannot worry about how the government may abuse this. We will just have to address that when it happens.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:16am
  The bottom line is that we cannot continue worrying about what might happen in the future we need to worry about what is happening to us now. We are losing our rights because we are not willing to tell the bleeding hearts where to stuff it. If a combination of factors are causing society to erode then those factors must be fixed. I personally think it is time for Hollywierd to be called to task for the overly violent material that they feed the depraved lunatic mind. I also think it is time for the lunatics to be contained because chemical lobotomies obviously don’t work.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:46am
  Political correctness eliminated all institutions relating to mental health. Here where I live, a few were shutdown, and new houses were built in their place. Political correctness prohibited getting this guy treatment when he was a kid, because it might offend him or his parents if got told that he was antisocial, weird and mentally out of place. Folks, get off Facebook, Twitter and any other unrealistic form of “socializing” and really talk to each other, laugh with one another, hug each other, go outside and hike together, go site seeing, travel the country, and really get to know each other. This guy’s brother hadn’t talk to him since 2010, and his father left when he got divorced. We need family back in the picture. We need stable families. The left’s ideology of do as thou wilt is destroying our nation.
  
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- NLN
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:13am
  Not, I agree totally. get the anti-social zombies away from mainstream society. Keep them locked up where they can do the rest of us no harm.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:30am
  Lock up? Won’t work. We have an entire generation devoid of morality. God bless the small percentage who are the exception. Horribly violent and very realistic video games where all they do is shoot people and powerful drugs handed out like candy by quack doctors too. Things took a while to come down to this and it will take time to turn it around. In the meantime it is on us to defend ourselves and our children. Public places and particularly “gun free” public places are danger zones. Politicians and others saying they want to disarm you and I to “protect” us from these monsters is another even bigger sign of danger.
  
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Triple7
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:17pm
All this known and the mother had firearms in her house? If you aren’t responsible enough to understand that you have a psycho kid then I guess you got what you deserved, but those babies and the other adults did not.

The mother and the system in place let this monster grow. The mother armed this murderer.
Im sure the UN Treaty will be brought up again as well as more New Bolshevik gun control legislation to disarm the law abiding RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

The country is too knee jerk to see beyond it and they will get what they want because of a placating mother and a godless educational system that gave us a murdering unfeeling human.

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- TurboCat
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 3:47am
  Yep. I raised a kid who I really needed to watch and did everything I could think of in order to turn out a decent person into society. Sometimes I called the police (after he grew up) and I was told nothing they could do unless he did something (kill me, for instance). But yeah, I had him in counseling three times during his growing up years. I took parenting classes from three different places. I did lots of other things, and usually there was no help available. I kept a VERY close eye on him because I KNEW!! There WERE signs. I said “I will bring a decent person into society if it kills me”. It almost did.
  
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florida123
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:06pm
I read a report said he was autistic, these behaviors would fit autism. Autistic kids can be very violent, why have guns like he had in a home with a severely sick kid like this?

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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:35pm
  Maybe his mother had them in a safe. Maybe the safe had a code lock & a fingerprint ID. Maybe the safe was opened just by a key.
  
  But you bring up a good point. Maybe, if what you say is true about autistic kids, you don’t keep guns at home except maybe one for self defense. Maybe you keep any for target shooting at relatives or at a gun club armory. Not because the a government mandate but for that extra insurance
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:09am
  Even if she kept them locked up the murderer lived there all these years and was spoken of as highly intelligent. So one way or another. He had mental illness and was a video gamer. In the increasingly realistic video games you score points by gunning down as many people as possible. Shooting them and shooting them. The video games are very consuming for individuals who are not outwardly and obviously mentally ill. People get so caught up in them they lose track of their days. Put that in front of and in the head of someone who is mentally ill? I still keep harping on the psychotropic drugs dispensed like candy. I would be very surprised if he was not on 3 or more prescription drugs for his mental problems. I’m not forgetting the morally bankrupt societies addition to the brew. Put it all together and see what happens.
  
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Platonician
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:00pm
In good old America, nerds like used to be well “controlled” by the group and were given no chance to become aggressive, because they knew their place. It’s a pity that liberals have forced us to accept, tolerate and even respect all kind of freaks and degenerates.

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- HappyConservative
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:11pm
  Agreed. The liberal breakdown of America continues and this shooting is just one more example of that. But the left will once again blame the right over gun laws, the media will clap their hands in approval and yet again it will be the fault of conservatism somehow. I no longer know and love my country under obama but I DO proudly wear my TEXAS SECEDE bumper sticker!
  
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- Stljarhead
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:35pm
  “Platonician
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:00pm
  In good old America, nerds like used to be well “controlled” by the group and were given no chance to become aggressive, because they knew their place. It’s a pity that liberals have forced us to accept, tolerate and even respect all kind of freaks and degenerates.”
  
  Excuse me? I was a high school nerd, Sunshine. I went on to get an excellent scholarship, and left the Marine Corps as a Sergeant after having served in an infantry MOS. You can be g-ddamned sure I don’t “know my place”, and if you were to try to “control” a “freak” like me, I assure you, you would not enjoy the results.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:09am
  Stljarhead
  
  A necessary response & one of 2 that are necessary to the post you responded to. There are ways of dealing with people by being polite. Robert Heinlein quipped that courtesy was the lubricant of society. Well bullying may not be the proximate cause of this shooters reason for doing what he did, but I bet it factored in. Courtesy would go a long way to solving problems not “controlling people”.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:54am
  @STLJARHEAD You kind of proved Plato’s point with your response.
  
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- Stljarhead
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 4:14am
  Valiant1776, is that so? I don’t know where you, Platonician, or anyone else on this site get the authority to arrogate themselves into a position to tell anyone what his “place” is, much less “keep them in their place” (whatever you or he decide that may be). I don’t know what this sicko’s issues were (likely many) but jackasses who think they have the right to “control” “weirdos” are the cause of a great number of the world’s ills. Take a look in the mirror for where the problem lies. Oddly, I’ve been a firearms owner for a dozen years now without having to shoot anyone. How does that square with the “point” I supposedly made for Platonician?
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 5:13am
  @Stljarhead Your response seemed angered and upset, almost unnecessarily aggressive. It seemed like Plato touched a hot button, and you got your feelings hurt, and reacted really sensitive. This is what Plato was talking about.
  
  BTW, I didn’t say or imply you were going to shoot anyone.
  
  I think you read too much into Plato’s comment.
  
  His emphasis was on: “It’s a pity that liberals have forced us to accept, tolerate and even respect all kind of freaks and degenerates.”
  
  This is very true. For example, you can’t support traditional marriage today without being called a bigot, homophobic, hate filled or being accused of discrimination.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 8:17am
  VALIANT…
  
  What the hell does cornering freaks & nerds in the hallways of schools to “put them in their place” have to do with gay marriage?
  
  Maybe if we put “kick me” signs on all the dorks there’d be less abortions?
  Wait! I know!
  Let’s give wedgies to weirdos & call them “phags” to solve the Welfare epidemic!
  
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- Platonician
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:54am
  @Stljarhead
  “I don’t “know my place”, and if you were to try to “control” a “freak” like me, I assure you, you would not enjoy the results.”
  
  Well, you have proven my point. It seems that your brilliant career didn’t give you the maturity to reply to a general comment, as you are ready to assault me… I’m sure you are telling the truth about your experiences, it doesn’t surprise me, New America is ruled by people like Barny Frank, Barry Soetoro, Hillary Clinton, Sandra Fluke…
  I don’t want to control you, I was talking about the control the groups should exert on deviant individuals. Natural selection and self-preservation. The problem is that in New America freaks and deviants are overprotected and look at the results. It’s a form of affirmative action that only makes things worse.
  Healthy kids are called bullies and are punished when they are trying to manage the deviant elements in a group, which cannot be more natural. I am not advocating for the gratuitous harassment of “weirdos”, but society has the right to protect itself from deviant elements.
  
  Look, 40, 50, 60, years ago, freaks like Lanza existed too, guns were everywhere, but they didn’t kill children. Why? Simply because society didn’t overprotect them spending money on cute psychotherapies or fancy drugs, or calling them “smart”, no, they were punched in the face daily and their antisocial tendencies were subdued with fear. They were “managed”.
  
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KangarooJack
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:57pm
I’ve posted before regarding what I’ve seen in my school system HAVING to mainstream students who have disabilities. I realize I will get backlash, but I could care less-as I have posted previously, my youngest child has had ‘special’ kids in his classrooms. I got a black-eye in the Elementary School when I volunteered to read to the students. An Autistic/blind kid SCREAMED the entire time and flung his arms out at other students. He HAD an aid who held him-the entire time…1/2 way through the book, I calmly said “I’ll be back in a moment kids” found the TWO teachers {it was a progressive teaching method two classes linked together and the two teachers + 3 Aides would go between the 2 classes}
“Excuse me, but how the h*ll is MY kid supposed to learn with all that screaming going on?” They brought the Principal in to talk with me. Gee, aren’t I aware that my son has been nominated to be a mentor to classmates next year? “So, my kid is going to be one of THIS kid’s babysitters??” That’s when I got blacklisted. Mainstreaming EVERY kid is NOT the answer. Go to YOUR school yourself and see what they have to deal with! This year? My youngest has THAT kid who throws desks, bites other students, and swears at the teacher – this is 6th grade. They just keep ‘passing his grades’ in hopes he goes through the system.

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- LDSmommy
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:36am
  Amen!!! I have three autistic sons, two mild, one severe. The constant push to ‘mainstream’ them made me so angry. Who wants this? The kids get bullied relentlessly, they can’t learn around other kids, people make them nervous…it’s ridiculous! My oldest one had a horrible time in school with it. You can’t put a child in special classes then all of a sudden after 8-9 years mainstream them! But, that’s the ‘goal’. Thankfully, my oldest son handled it and is okay as a grown man. I took my younger ones out of there. My ‘normal’ kids are half and half home school/regular school.
  
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- Mannamomof4
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 3:30pm
  I am the mother of a child with severe medical issues and cognitive delays. Every year at his ARD they talk about mainstream inclusion time. While I like the idea of his classmates spending time with him and learning that they don’t have to be afraid of him because he is different, I also make it very clear that I don’t want him to A) be a distraction to their learning time or B) get stuck in a mainstream setting where he will simply be ignored. Thankfully he is generally a very happy little boy and his friends love him.
  
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HappyConservative
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:56pm
BAD parenting I am sorry. But your child is that messed up and you allow them access to guns and A CAR? Granted she payed with her own life but when will parents start cluing in? This is a scary trend

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South Philly Boy
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:42pm
Sounds like he was on DRUGS

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 8:21am
  Yes it does.
  
  Drugs most likely prescribed by a physician to battle mental disorders.
  
  This doesn’t remotely resemble the behavior of someone on “street drugs”.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:19am
  I’ve seen people lamenting a lack of sufficient mental health care. Thats not the problem. The problem is that today mental health care 9 times out of 10 means a prescription for one or more very powerful and not fully understood psychotropic medications. Early on with Prozac there were cases of normal people suddenly murdering their loved ones.
  
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:31pm
I think this whole event is going to have more of a negative effect on the country than either September 11, 2001 or Benghazi 2012 did.

Anyone who can value the innocence of a young human life cut so short, so violently like this has suffered over this event. How liberals can use something like this to politicize and embolden their anti-gun agenda simply infuriates me, especially because they show total abject INDIFFERENCE to the same innocent life of an unborn person.

I’ll tell you what, I love my 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms but I will gladly relinquish my firearms if it meant permanently abolishing abortion in any form. I can make this claim since I know the left will never concede to this offer.

Don’t ******* talk to me about abolishing firearms or even gun control until the left is willing to discuss 50 million + aborted lives as vehemently as they try to force gun control and tyrannical measures on an unsuspecting and ignorant American populace.

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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:01pm
  Good points. But the left has an agenda to drive this culture in a direction designed to destroy it. Gun control is just one of their weapons. The cadre of intellectuals that have trained Gramsci shock troops of teachers and media hacks to take this which was a Judeo/Chrsitan culture down from within…Fabians, Frankfurt School, Antonio Gramsci, Mattechine Society, Committee’s of Correspondence, this is all out war against the America of our Founders who knew that only a moral people could handle freedom – freedom without morality destroys…
  This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. Watch it. Share it.
  It should be mandatory viewing for anyone who is educated/indoctrinated in government funded schools
  https://vimeo.com/52009124
  if that is not working try this: https://vimeo.com/16647512
  
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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:03pm
  I am as disgusted as anyone at the taking of innocent young lives. Kids are like angels as they are totally innocent. However, I don’t think gun control is the answer. Connecticut already has strong gun control laws…..didn’t help. Chicago has a gun ban, yet has a high gun murder rate there. Banning guns will only leave the criminals with guns. The Joker shooter in Aurora deliberately picked the one theater than had a gun ban……driving miles further away than a theater just a couple of miles from his house that did allow concealed guns. Why? Because he didn’t want to be shot by someone. He wanted sitting ducks that couldn’t defend themselves. So the real answer is to let the teachers carry a gun and teach them how to use it. Or at least have cops patrol the school grounds. In larger cities there are enough cops on the beat to have at least 1 on campus at all times when school is in session. These crimes are committed by lone people, so you don’t need 20 at a time. Besides a cop patrolling the school might make the kids behave better. There are 10 of millions of guns in the US, you won’t get them all. Only the honest folks will turn them in and leave them vulnerable to the criminals.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:21pm
  @YAHSHUARULES
  
  Please get rid of the broken link that never works…. https://vimeo.com/52009124 or stop posting altogether.. TIA.
  
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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:55am
  THE MONK: I just clicked on that link that you have on your comment that says it does not work and it took me right to the page – where Agenda: Grinding America Down is posted on Vimeo for free viewing; so I don’t get it. I have been posting this on WND, on HufPo, on Bloomberg, on CNN to name a few the last few days and since I get comments back (some good, some not so good) others are able to access it???? So I am truly at a loss as to tell you what is going on. I always post both the link that is to the actual movie and also the one to the trailer just in case they take down the “free” movie. Sorry for any confusion. Just incase you want to know, I have nothing to do with other then I have watched it 11X and think its terrific and that everyone who has not seen it needs to see it to “connect the dots” Blessings
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:01am
  @YAHSHUARULES
  
  Looks like it’s working again…. my apology to you. : )
  
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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:21am
  THE MONK no problem. I am glad it is working. Share it with all you know and love if you haven’t already.
  Blessings
  
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- edmundburk
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 5:35pm
  AMEN!! brother!!
  
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BlasberryStrat
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:24pm
Kinda sounds like his world revolved around “Warcraft” and other fantasy games. And when he couldn’t sit still and quiet in the class room, the dubed him ‘autistic’ and pumped him full of mind altering chemicals.

Man. Just gotta love what Elavil, Mellaril, and Prozac do to kids moods and minds. Of course it doesn’t matter to the doctor OR parents that these are “black box warning” drugs……”For god sakes just ‘drug’ my kid, because it’s ‘JUST EASIER’!”.

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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:52pm
  And they say 1 in 88 kids are born with autism. Then we’re in trouble if autism makes kids like this. What has caused this dramatic increase in autism? Why are there so many mass shootings in recent years? Almost all done by young guys? Is it modern culture? Is it video games? I’m wondering if these violent video games don’t affect young kids minds…..kids that have issues to begin with. These video games are so realistic like Modern Warfare that some of these kids can’t disconnect between the game and reality. I don’t know if that’s a part or not, but seems like there could be something to it.
  
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- LDSmommy
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:45am
  Okay, there is a HUGE difference between ADHD, which kids are often labeled with for being active, and autism. Autism is a very clear cut thing. They usually aren’t ‘drugged’, either.
  I sound like a crazed conspiracy nut, but I WATCHED my NORMAL son get his vaccines and by the time we got home, he was a TOTALLY different child. I was a fool and believed the government and had my next son vaccinated as an infant, guess what? BINGO, same exact thing, even his doctor agreed and said he had never seen such a clear cut case. The gov’t is covering for the vaccine companies, or they are behind it, I have no idea. I’ll tell you one thing, the last one didn’t get his shots till he was 3 and he’s just fine. I am not anti-vaccine, I believe that 18-24 shots by 2 years old is too many, too soon.
  Also, this kind of an attack is very rare for an autistic person.
  
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- calamityjane85
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 7:06am
  @LDSMOMMY
  I agree that is way to many shots, and for that reason I asked for them to spread them out on a schedule. They acted like I had lost my mind and I went through the most awkward time with the drs. I had to sign so many papers it blew my mind. Now he did get all his shots, but not all at once like they wanted. I hated how stupid they made me feel just for wanting to protect my kid.
  
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RepubliCorp
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:17pm
If you have a nut-case son wouldn’t have your guns in a vault?

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- dmforman
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:38pm
  As a gun owner and parent, if my son (only one child, but would be the same if I had a daughter) shows signs of instability, the guns are gone. No safe. Not in my home, because I would feel totally responsible if he used them to do a wrong. I’d also be trying to get him help and wouldn’t think that he is going to grow out of it.
  
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- TSUNAMI_22
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:51pm
  The media has to blame it on someone. Who better than to blame it on “improper” gun storage by the dead mother. If that doesn’t hold water, blame the gun(s)……then the gun industry……..then gun laws……..then the ammunition factories….then the ammunition type……then the lack of self esteem…….but never the root issue.
  
  To me the root issue is the lack of family cohesion, parental quality time with children, and nurturing healthy attitudes and honest feelings towards people other than themselves.
  
  We don’t have that. We, as a nation don’t foster empathy in our educational system. What DO we foster? We foster a Godless, narcissistic attitude replete with overwhelming feelings of “me, myself, and I”.
  
  Our chickens are coming home to roost.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:59am
  Hope she burns?
  
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Stelex
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:13pm
Can we do something to get Jerry Rivera off of Fox, this JAGOV is the worst POS, next to the big O of course.

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- chips1
  Posted on December 15, 2012 at 11:02pm
  How about a sex change operation. He could play basketball.
  
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dealer@678
Posted on December 15, 2012 at 10:06pm
Looking at him in these pictures its obvious the guy is mentally wasted but nobody could have predicted what he was capable of

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