Holder: ‘We Have to Ask Ourselves Some Hard Questions’ About Gun Rights After Conn. Shootings
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Attorney General Eric Holder said the shootings in Newtown, Conn. mean it’s time “to ask ourselves some hard questions” about gun rights.
“As a nation I think we have to ask ourselves some hard questions. We gather too often to talk about these kinds of incidents,” Holder said in Tulsa, Okla. on Friday. “We need to discuss who we are as a nation, talk about the freedoms that we have, the rights that we have and how those might be used in a responsible way.”
He added, “But for now I think we should concentrate on dealing with the situation in Connecticut and we are doing, as I said, the best that we can at the Justice Department and throughout federal law enforcement.”
An online petition calling on the White House to immediately address the issue of gun control quickly surpassed the necessary 25,000 signatures on Friday; it had more than 114,000 signatures Sunday morning.
President Barack Obama on Friday vowed to take “meaningful action” to prevent more such tragedies from happening in the future.
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chickenxxx13
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:48amRest in peace little ones and thank you to the heroes who gave their lives trying to save them. I think it’s almost obscene to mention the dishonorable eric holder in the same space as the victims, but i’ll stifle my vomit long enough to try. This man did more to endanger americans than anyone else since benedict arnold. Three words,”fast and furious”. This is not the time for political theater, this is a time to mourn.
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Cemoto78
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:54amEric Holder “to ask ourselves some hard questions” about gun rights.” Yes it is; do I have the right to own, possess, and carry a gun: YES. Okay, let’s move on to the next topic.
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rangerskippy
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:16amHmmmmmm, the same idiot that armed mexican drug thugs that turned around and used those same firearms to kill one of our border agents, now wants to come and take my guns.
I smell something stinky.
We as a nation have 88 guns per every 100 citizens. There are 25 nations in the world that have higher gun murder rates than us.
Honduras has 6.6 guns per 100 citizens, and they have the highest gun murder rate in the world
Less guns does not mean less murder.
In states that in recent years now allow concealed carry, now have lower gun violence.
There will not be a peep from the Holder, showing that blacks make up 12.5% of the population but do half the nations murders, and most of the youth murders are black shooters and black victims. if we could lower black murder to the level of white murder, we would drop murder rates by almost 40%.
Stiggs
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:16amSeems to me, this administration INCLUDING HOLDER, needs to reconsider what message we send our citizens such as when HOLDER does NOTHING when a violent group declares a bounty on someone’s head….or when the union leaders/members threaten violence to peaceful organizations, and then participate in actual violence and the administration does NOTHING…or when OCCUPY destroyed private/public property and committed crimes amongst themselves and NOTHING was done.
But then again, these 3 examples are Obama’s people, his supporters. You just can’t get past the It’s-ok-for-our-people-but-it’s-not-ok-for-others issue and you want to talk equality/fairness?!
But that’s just my opinion….
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Trigus
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:23amWhy is the World Court not issuing a warrant for Eric Holder on human right violations for heading “Fast and the Furious?” Why as a country are we not demanding his removal and arrest?
Barry, Eric, and the rest of the 40 thieves talking about gun control is the same as Hollywood spewing about gun control. Two groups of hypocrites.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:23amGood stats Ranger. Nice work.
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rangerskippy
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:24amPresident Obama has men armed with guns that go everywhere his wife, daughters, and he go. It is their job to protect the President and his family with their lives.
Does he plan on disarming these secret service agents?
If he deserves protection by armed me with guns, then do my daughters and wife not deserve protection also?
What makes his family better than mine?
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IndyGuy
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:28amHolder: ‘We Have to Ask Ourselves Some Hard Questions’…Yeah Holder,we gotta ask just who is responsible for all the dead Mexicans from Fast and Furious???
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:32amhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhaha!!! of all the people to have something to say about guns……..this guy?!?!?….too funny, i feel like they are testing our intelligence…This…and the Hillary head bonk so she can forget things when she testifies!!…and a million other things, but these two are just down right bizarre.
“Lets see if the public picks up on it…And if they do pick up on it, how will they react.”
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stage9
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:33amTypical liberal question: “What can we regulate that doesn’t involve me taking personal responsibility for my behavior?” or “Who can I blame rather than myself?”
Rather than reinforcing institutions in our society that instill morals and values and teaches us how to cope with personal issues, we regulate entire INDUSTRIES and remove rights from everyone.
IT’S THE CULTURE STUPID! We’ve created a culture devoid of morals and accountability and created one rife with violence and immorality. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where all this is heading.
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TAXEVERYONE
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:33am20 children dead in Sandy Hook, 3288 abortions in America the same day in the United States.
A very tragic day for America!
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Bum thrower
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:34amHey Holder, you crook; That was a ‘gun free’ zone. So much for you leftist, feel good do nothing ‘LAWS’; Go ahead and ask your ‘congressional cronies’ to submit a constititional amendment to REPEAL the 2d Amendmet; Let’s see who is gonna vote for that!!
Better yet; pass a law that REQUIRES every law abinding, ctizen who is eligable to possess a fire arm to have one or pay a fine; To get a concieled carry permit and carry at all times or be subject to fine.
Our society will be a darn site more civil if you thot the guy you wanned to get smart with might be packing a .45 under his coat.
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dublinthewagons
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:39amWe have to answer some hard questions about Brian Terry’s death and fast & furious, Libya, government furniwhing guns to the enemy in Syria etc.
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rawmilker
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:51amI have a simple question for you DISHONORABLE ERIK HOLDER, please remove yourself from office you corrupt pig!
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:51am@bum
You are exactly right. Criminals will always get guns (as long as guns exist), no matter what laws you put in place. They are criminals because they do not care about the law that was put in place. They are only hurting law abiding people (people who try to stay out of jail and to the right things.)
The only way you can stop a criminal from getting guns is to destroy every gun on the globe. Take them away from even governments (This guy holder has proven that the government will give guns to criminals to to push agendas)…..Once this happens I would be willing to give up my guns…This is the only way to compromise…..and even that is not full prooof because a gun is not a complex piece of equipment that can’t be made in a garage, but I would be willing to go along with that compromise…..But it wont happen…….ever.
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kenboo1
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:56amMotor vehicles killed more Americans that day but I don’t hear anyone wanting to ban them… in 2007 34,000 dead due to motor vehicles compared to 13,000 assault (murder) with fire arms. Its time to ban motor vehicles.
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monitor
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:56amWe do have questions about gun rights Mr. Holder. It starts with you and Fast & Furious you crook.
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Evileye
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:01amYes Eric you do need to talk about Guns,
Like shipping 1200 of them across the border illegally with your blessing.
You Sir Are a criminal.
Also a pious P—k
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yougottabekidding
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:02amI’ll repost this here as I strongly feel it has to be said !
I’d like to pose a question that has been in my head.
Has the apparent rise in mass executions by wackos taken a dramatic
Rise since 2008?
Seems to me it has! Seems to me the rise of all violence as come
since 2008, seems as though it is condoned and even encouraged
From the top of our government.
I feel very deeply for the families and friends of those that died, but
I see this as an inciedious plan being encouraged by absension.
When you have a mass terrorist killing on an American base on American
soil then call it work place violence. There is something going on
and if people are too stupid to see it, I feel sorry for you. It fits their agenda ! If they can disarm the American public they can move ahead!
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Soulfire1975
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:04amThe only question there should be is why aren’t teachers like in Israel allowed to carry guns? I mean it is obvious criminals don’t obey the law and it takes minutes for police to show up. The teachers could have taken this douche out
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GuruMeditation
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:05am@Trigus: Why? Because we’ve allowed too many thugs into places of power within our own government. Now what?
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:06amWant to remind Mr. Holder about Oklahoma and Timothy McVeigh,
If a NutCase wants to kill, they are not limited to just GUN’s….or
the NutJob in China, used a knife to kill their Kids.. or the case of
ATF sending guns to Mexico to kill hundreds of innocent civilians..
HUH ????????????? F’N Stupid AZZ….Disgusting !!!!
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Soulfire1975
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:06am:”rangerskippy
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:16am
Hmmmmmm, the same idiot that armed mexican drug thugs that turned around and used those same firearms to kill one of our border agents, now wants to come and take my guns.:”
Don’t forget how many kids are killed by them. Don’t forget these are the same idiots who want abortions to happen to kill millions of unborn children
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James
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:07amYes CEMO you are right on except for one little thing.I don’t believe Holder should be allowed to on a Fire Arm,A knife, nor should he be allowed to on even a Fishing Rod! Rubio do your JOB!
ESQ
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:07amThis administration has the nerve to even bring up gun control after what it did through fast and furious. It is because of the liberal idiots in their creation of KILLING ZONES that are actually gun free zones that we have people walking in and killing 20 children http://youtu.be/dozLXYNWYQQ
Holder you idiot, you have the blood not just from the guns of fast and furious and from the children shot to death but also from the 50 millions children killed in the womb. ON YOUR HEAD
This country is going to be destroyed by God very soon
The resurrection/rapture of Christs church is just around the corner http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
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Red Meat
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:11amKeep it up dems. This will backfire like you won’t believe.
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watashbuddyfriend
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:17am@Cemoto78
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:54am
“Eric Holder “to ask ourselves some hard questions” about gun rights.” Yes it is; do I have the right to own, possess, and carry a gun: YES. Okay, let’s move on to the next topic.”
Cemo, you hit a nail on the head! Thanks.
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Silversmith
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:18amThe discussion is not about the tools we use, but the people we have become.
Silversmith
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vtxphantom
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:23amWe need stronger laws prohibiting gun running by our government. How many innocents have obama and Holder killed.
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User1
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:32amHe needs to change his name to Eric Hypocrite!
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ginger100
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:41am‘We Have to Ask Ourselves Some Hard Questions’? Do we trust our govt. who fan the flames of racism and have proven themselves untrustworthy and liars, who allow an open border allowing an invasion of millions. Who arm criminal cartels and govts (egypt) who want to wipe out nations. ‘We Have to Ask Ourselves Some Hard Questions’ Holder you elite lying globalist pig!
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:48am@ginger
Right on!!
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dcatkin
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:58amEric Holder On Gun Rights – We Have To Ask Some Hard Questions
I told you in my last article, that due to the Connecticut shooting the liberals would be pushing their agenda to remove the second amendment. Now Holder is saying we need to ask ourselves some hard questions about gun rights.
No we don’t is the answer, we need to ask some hard question about the people wielding those guns. This guy was quite simply a lunatic, because if he were in his right mind this would have never happened, it’s a sad day in the United States when these things happen.
The question that you really need to ask is do you want the police, and the government to be the only ones carrying guns? You answer should be no with a capital “N”. But do you see them trying to remove guns from the feds?
No it’s always the people that they play these games with. They will always put themselves above the people, it’s funny how the constitution put the people above the government. No we do not need to kill the second amendment to our constitution.
Ask yourself this question, if you allow them to screw with the second amendment, do you want them to screw with the rest of the constitution? Because they will do it, and there will be nothing stopping them. At this time they have the armed citizens to worry about.
So sure let them kill the second amendment, and see what you get. How do you like the idea of the constitution being nullified? We all know the Eric holder is a lying communist
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Pelling1020
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:59amDo you think we could get an online petition of more than 25,000 signatures for the resignation of Holder?
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2gether
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:06pmYes we do have to ask ourselves some difficult questions, Eric. But no citizen should be denied the right to carry a weapon in order to protect him or herself and their family. Years ago, as Huckabee reminded people this weekend, kids went to classes with gun racks on their trucks, shotguns in their possession and no one was murdered and no guns were stolen. Kids went hunting game, not people or class mates. if you had a beef with someone, you met that kid after school, duked it out and then went on with your life…We have failed our God and we have failed our children.
This discussion needs to be loud and it needs to be heard. The first priority is not about gun ownership it should be about taking ownership of OUR OWN actions and inactions; our words or our lack of them. For too long the moral voice in this country has remained quiet. Silenced by a well funded highly vocal progressive secular government and society that mocks faith, that claims with indignation that there is no place for God in America, that mothers should decide when to end a baby’s life. That marriage is a waste of time, that hard work is worthless, that everyone “is entitled” to the best or the trophy even if they stink at something. We refuse to change negative, violent, racist, bigoted music, screen plays video games. We throw good money after bad, pearls before swine and never address the real issues. WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER! START PRAYING FOR EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF DESTROYING ONE ANOTHER
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glassbeadlady
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:22pmWe have to ask ourselves about violent video games that makes killing children seem unreal.
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wayner4162
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:43pmTHIS know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
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sam1064
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:44pmLet the politicians including Obama first give up their guns and their protector guns, then we will discuss giving up ours. “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny” Thomas Jefferson.
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cbrown
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:51pmGun owners are folks who take personnel responsibility seriously. They don’t want crazies to take their guns and use them for mass killing. We should look at a free market solution to these sort of problems. Lets get the govt out of regulating guns but work with manufactures on this. How about having gun manufactures to embed smart chips into guns. These guns will be smartly disabled within schools, churches and other safe zones.
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happygranny
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:57pmI don’t see Holder getting upset over the hundreds of young people being gunned down in Chicago every year.
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lqtm
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:04pmThe comments on this thread prove we need education reform.
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tj1961
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:08pmRanger, The overwhelming majority of gun deaths in the US are SUICIDES. The press rarely tells us that little tidbit of information.
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getstonia1
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:13pmYou are absolutly right Cemoto78, and the Goverment does not have the right to restrict or take our gun rights away from us. Which they will use any opprotunity to do and I predict that will start the 2nd civil war in this country.
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bannedfromCNN
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:20pmAs a nation, we should commit ourselves to take immediate action against Holder. He is the biggest threat to our Constitution and freedom.
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hayesstephen
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:26pmAmen!! What we have to ask is when this guy going to start cracking down on Racists of all races equally?
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The_Jerk
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:30pmWe need Hollywood control, not gun control. We need MTV and gangsta rap control, not gun control. We need television programming control, not gun control.
We have a debased culture. When you mix this with the progressive rearing of kids who are always told that they are never wrong, you have a problem. When you mix this with kids that are taught that there are no winners and losers, everyone gets a trophy, you have a problem. When these kids leave the confines of our progressive institutions and enter a real Darwinian world, they’re lost. They can not cope. They have no hope.
A numbed to violence young adult, with no hope, is dangerous. A young adult, who finds out in his late teens and earl twenties that he has been lied to, is dangerous.
Guns have been around for centuries. School shootings are a late 20th century phenomena. Fools
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layosh
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:30pmI do listen carefully what holder wants to say and gave it serious thought.
Unless he can come up with a legislation that actually makes the mentally disturbed psychopaths and outright criminals comply while respects the rights of the rest of us, he would be better off keeping his mouth shut. I have no respect for him since he is looking for different problem. The problem for him is keeping the a future criminal government safe from its armed citizens and he actually does not give a crap when innocents are killed. He would advocate for more mental health care, insane asylums instead of gun laws.
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desertspeaks
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:36pmHOLDER doesn’t get to ask any f’n questions until he answers for Fast & Furious!
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TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:48pm“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
John Adams
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Independent4233
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:56pmHolder and Obama are the kind, understanding faces of concern, with words to match.
And this is the first response in their scheme to control guns any way they can in an ongoing effort aimed at total elimination.
Obama wipes away a tear. Holder speaks words of regret. But isn’t it strange that in their view the only remedy to prevent killings is to ban guns? Especially since the real reasons for such acts have to do with having more depraved people in this society, encouraged by the radical leftist elements who demonize Christian principles and any kind of morality taught in the schools that seek to teach kids a strong understanding of right and wrong.
I’m betting this kid’s mother…and father…are both far left advocates who failed to instill any kind of morality during his formative years. These are the results of the feel good generation, “If it feels good, do it..” Guns were only the instruments used, not the reason for this hideous act.
This is only act number one in the presidential gun control show. Act two will be a panel loaded with anti-gun asctivists in a search to find a solution, which will be foir more gun control…..but just for starters.
And act three will be suggestions for laws against gun ownership. And of course, what can the grief-stricken Obama and his heart-broken Gestapo chief do but to press Congress to implement the laws they want?
But only because of their great concern of course, as they wipe away a tear.
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sillyfreshness
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:59pmHolder lecturing us? He and his department sent guns into Mexico to be used on other people knowing full well they were going to kill people. Their plan in Fast and Furious was to get the gun control issue going in the US. Don’t trust anything this Holder says.
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Amarath01
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:12pmHonestly, if people wanted something to look at it should be the poor funding for mental health issues , over rich old people, poor lazy people, giant companies, and giant administration.
But no lets talk about guns.
Look up school murders in china, there have been many recent school killings such as this in china but with bladed weapons (mostly knives).
DISTURBED PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE JACKASS.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:15pmIf this corrupt Gubment won’t do anything to eliminate Gun free zones, then I suggest we the people ask every gun store and firearms training institution to offer free training, education and certification to teachers and school staff so that they can protect our precious children. No more can we allow politicians to permit that our children be sitting ducks when a madman walks in. Let’s show them we’re serious and are prepared to safeguard our kids in schools. Let’s get the ball rolling. Please take this offer serious. I’ve read of some firearms instructors offering the same after this tragedy. Let’s do something about it..
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NeoFan
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:16pmWhy is the Blaze not reporting this:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
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Wiley41
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:21pmYes we do need to ask some tough questions about guns. Lets start first with the guns in fast in furious……you living POS. way to not waste a crisis. I hope this all hits you one day in hell and you pay for being a worthless waste of life..
These were innocent children and brave teachers, seriously you are going to use this for political points. At this time of year it makes me wish for a series of 3 ghosts to visit and put their political greed in perspective.
Rest in Peace angels
For my part I am buying another gun, getting my concealed carry license and teaching the wife to shoot, we are only 1 block from our kids elementary school , and while I don’t claim that this alone will stop these crazies, if it ever does happen I hope I am dropping off the kids in my car with my concealed
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:41pm@vallient
I will even go as far to say, get children introduced to guns at a young age with the proper teacher (like a moral parent). I had shot my first gun at around 10 years of age, and BB guns even earlier than that. I was taught the right and wrong way to handle a gun. One of those lessons was; never point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it to defend yourself or hunt for food. This rule even applied with toy guns. I mean we were allowed to play army and run around and pretend to shoot each other at a distance, but never point blank. If i did that I would have to go pick my “switch” to get disciplined with.
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pavepaws
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:50pmI hear it’s easy to get guns in Mexico. Maybe Holder has contacts.
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Wolf
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:54pmThe ‘hard questions’ are easy to ask, Holder- but you won’t answer them ruthfully, so why ask?
It’s doubtful you had nothing to do with Sandyhook, just as you had nothing to do with F&F and Benghazi. You and your POS leader are doubtlessly more guilty than the shooters in either situation.
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PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:56pm* 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
*In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
*Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
*China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
*Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
*Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
*Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
*That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated. Paul Harvey
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Speak without Fear
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 3:05pmConnecticut already has strict rules and the school was a gun free zone but that does not work. Never has and never will.
All you pacifists need to understand what the Second Amendment is about and why it is absolutey unacceptable to put limits on semi-automatic weapons. “Shame on the men who can court exemption from present trouble and expense at the price of their own posterity’s liberty!” The Second Amendment is about a defense against our own government. “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms;” and “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” – Sam Adams had it right and of course there is no ambiguity in these words unless you have an agenda.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 3:20pm@BALLOT_BOX_REVOLUTION I agree. I don’t have children, but I make sure to teach my young cousins, with their parent’s permission, and other relatives, the proper and safe use of firearms. I also educate friends who would never have even bought a gun. They are now enthusiasts, and newly converted conservatives. My cousin of 12 years old and his sister of 6 years old have shot a .22 rifle and know what to do and not to do. I’ve taught them that guns are dangerous tools if used improperly. To never hold a gun without adult permission or supervision, and to never play with guns. They know the basic rules, and to never hang out with friends that want to show them a gun, but to run out and tell an adult. Like any other tool, whether it be a chainsaw, axe, or even a hot iron, we can not simply hand it to them without instruction, we must warn and teach them of the responsibility and consequences.
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k9tp
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 4:20pmAbsolutely correct, this cretin will hopefully go down in history as the worst most vile and dishonest ATT Gen we ever had..
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dugbru
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 4:50pmJust what America needs today .. Captain gun rinner mouthing off about gun control .. how unintentionaly ironic is that ???
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YankeeDelta68
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 4:50pmHey eric how about the 1400 from F$F.
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Cazadora
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 5:32pmThe year, May 18,1927. The place, Bath, Michigan. The victims, little school children at an elementary school. The murderer, Andrew Kehoe, the school board treasurer. Kehoe, and his wife had purchased a farm outside of Bath. Apparently, things were going well, until he got the news that the school district planned on raising his taxes to fund a project. Kehoe’s wife by now, had contracted T-B. Her trips in and out of the hospital started to take a toll on the family’s finances. His farm was placed into foreclosure. Kehoe slowly, built up a supply of explosives, and planted them at the school and his farm. Thirty eight children were killed in the ensuing explosion. Two teachers also perished; along with four other adults and Kehoe’s wife, whose badly burned body was found at their farm. Kehoe, like most cowards, committed suicide. Most of you have never heard of this story. It doesn’t fit the socialist media’s agenda. Millions of Americans are now uttering comments, based on emotions, in the wake of the Connecticut shooting. Some even want to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Remember, Kehoe, nor Timothy McVeigh used “A Gun.” Those of us who know the evil hearts of communists and socialists understand that they couldn’t care less about these little angels who died on Friday. Their deaths only moves them closer to collapsing the America that I fought for in Vietnam, as a twenty year old USMC Grunt. Pay close attention to those “yelping.” They need you to be in a confused s
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Trigus
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 5:50pmThis may be harsh: 9/11 attack involved 2 instruments – 1) box cutter 2) 4 – airplanes. Death toll 3k.
So, does this mean we ban box cutters or airplanes?
from 2000 – 2010 over 400k people died in automobile accidents. Does this mean we ban automobiles?
The Home Office in England – 11, 726 crimes committed with a firearm in 2011 in England and Whales. Maybe they should ban firearms? Wait they already do.
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PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 6:11pmDoes this guy even have the nerve to talk when he was into fast and furious.
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Bum thrower
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 6:47pmHolder is a ‘leftist crook’; Remember Mark Rich?…..Fast and Furious?…..letting the ‘Black Panter walk;…..yea, lets have some serious discussions….about Holder; How ’bout enforcing the current laws…..remember, schools are ‘gun free zones’……how’d that work out??
Lib-tard solution is to pass more laws that take away your freedom and cost you more money; Enuf of these idiots…call them for what they are….idiots…
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lillymckim
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 7:13pmI would also like to ask Holder some hard questions on the Fort Hood Shooter, Benghazi, &
Fast and Furious
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dwilco77
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:06pmMore than 50,000 dead in Mexico. Including a small child’s Birthday party. More than 1,200 children have been killed in the Mexican drug war. How about some hard questions, and hard answers about Fast and Furious?
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yiska8
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:31pmObama just repeated Holder’s words, “we’ve got to ask ourselves some hard questions…” in his speech in CT tonight. I just got onto the site and Holder has nearly said the same thing word for word.
They’ve already spoken and the plan to move against gun owners is ON. Liberals are the most vile and disingenuous people on the face of the earth. They NEVER let a good crisis go to waste. I didn’t think it was possible for these power hungry sociopaths to go any lower. More “change” is wanted by the Kenyan and he’s this awful event to have his way. And we have zero representation in Congress or the Senate to stop this. No one speaks for the American people anymore. They only speak to hear themselves and promote their career on alphabet statist media. Lord Bless the suffering people in CT.
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mikem1969
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:42pmThe left wasted no time, not even an hour after this happened Friday they were politicizing it, and they have not stopped. The gun did not commit the crime, the evil turd did. The left is foaming at the mouth to complete their agenda, and the only thing standing in their way is GUN OWNERSHIP. Do not give up your rights ladies and gentlemen, fight to keep them or we will all be slaves.
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siobhan3270
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:47amSorry Holder, I hate to tell you that the only thing that corresponds with these mass shootings is when we took God out of our daily lives. Americans have always had guns, but we used to have God as well. We turn our backs on the Lord and welcome to the brave new world.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:14amIf Holder wishes to talk about firearms, why doesn’t he start with Fast & Furious?
He’s evil. So are most politicians screaming to disarm innocent people, to keep us from being able to defend ourselves from monsters like the murderer in CT.
http://www.patriotsdonotcomply.com/index.php/articles/harshness-reality/
My thoughts on the topic at the link. The Discussion forum is open for business, but we need more members and discussion. It’s a fresh new start where we can speak openly, please consider joining and participating.
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WSI2
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:24amMy thoughts is that gun control is not the issue here. This issue is Where and How did he get the guns? Why did the owner of the guns not have them secured in a locked cabinet, especially knowing (friends and family) that this person had some serious issues. Why are the gun owners not being investigated for making it easy for this disturbed person to get access to them? I believe there are more then enough gun laws on the books and any additional laws would make things no different. The only real issue here in this case is that gun owners need to be responsible when they are being stored. If the guns were stored and secured properly, none of this would have happened.
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Trigus
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:12amAttorney General Eric Holder said the shootings in Newtown, Conn. mean it’s time “to ask ourselves some hard questions” about gun rights.
Eric – yes lets ask the hard questions: Why did you arm Mexican Drug Cartels with firearms? How many of the 34,000 plus killed by Mexican Cartels are you responsible as a Accessory to Murder?
Overall, 111 U.S. citizens were killed in Mexico in 2010, by far the most violent year in the war, according to the last travel advisory issued by the U.S. State Department. Why have you not been charged as Accessory to murder in the deaths of these 111 US citizens?
These are the hard question we as a nation should ask.
We should also question: Why a group of people who arm Mexican Drug Cartels, Rebels “Terrorist” to over throw legal governments like Libya, Syria, and next in line Jordan want to strip Americans of their rights to bear arms?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 12:51pmEric Holder in 1995:
““One thing that I think is clear with young people and with adults as well, is that we just have to be repetitive about this,” Holder told the Women’s National Democratic Club while discussing how to curb gun violence in D.C. “It’s not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.””
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Tom70
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:59pmBoth Holder and Obama in his spectacle speech over the sadly dead in Conn. They are just posturing and fanning the gun grabber mentality people as the push forward their plans with the UN smalls arms treaty. Oh! almost forgot add H. Clintong to the list also who will not be testifying about the Benghazi debacle.
They are all despicable using this to further they regimes objectives.
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:46amEric Holder speaking out in favor of tougher gun laws is akin to Charlie Sheen speaking out in favor of prohibition.
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All Pro
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:12am@nocalifornia
No dumbass it doesn’t make his mom responsible. It makes her dead. He killed her to get the weapons!
If just ONE person in that gun free zone had broken the law and was carrying this tragedy would have had a very different outcome.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:16amOr, being anti-drug.
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:40amNo it’s not the same really. Fast and furious was designed to create havoc and fear of guns to push the anti-gun agenda……The funny thing is HE GOT CAUGHT…..so him speaking of guns and how to handle them is just weird….This is the same guy that said we need to brainwash people into being anti-gun…
Charlie loves the booze and would be totally against a booze prohibition….
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:15amI and my wife have been struggling to buy Xmas gifts for our children this holiday season. This story destroys my heart, especially due to the age of the children. I have this pit in my stomach that is telling me I should give my children nothing for Xmas and instead buy them a nice 22LR and get myself a good shotgun and AR-15 and 1911…before they take those rights away from my family and every other family in this country…
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dcatlady100
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:30amAdd your comments
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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:20pmDon’t blame Holder at this point…blame the millions of voters…REPUBLICAN voters…who failed to do their duty November 6th.
We’ve known what Holder & Obama were about since day 1. Anything they do now rests squarely on the shoulders of the Paul/Johnson-bots, the RNC for not backing true conservative candidates and “We the People” for being too lazy, pessimistic, overly optimistic, complacent, stupid…to get our fanny’s to the polls and vote.
In Obama’s first term, we kept saying “Stop blaming Bush…this economy is owned by Obama!” Well…it’s time to stop blaming Obama…what happens now is owned by us.
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Wiley41
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:34pmCrestoff,
Romney did win, Obama was elected through voter fraud.
That said there is still about half this country that dumber than a bang of nails, who care only for themselves and what is cool. In the past these grasshoppers would have died off, and ants would have survived. Unfortunately we have become too tolerant. We have conditioned ourselves over time that it is more compassionate to give fish then to teach to fish. We have shielded our kids who shield theirs and so forth from the hardships of life and a state of nature that the world to them is a video game where you always have another save.
God is love. Love however is not just tolerance, love is guidance. Love needs to be tough many times. We have forgotten this in our culture. If we are to survive we must swing the pendulum back by remembering and acting on these principles.
If not we doom ourselves to be vanquished by the hungry nomads at the walls as all complacent civilizations have done before. I personally will be here till the end, fighting for those and with those who are still salvageable
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nocalifornia
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:46amMaybe Mr. Holder should be asking “how did a 20 year old with mental issues get his hands on these weapons?”. Since it is illegal for someone under 21 to purchase or possess a handgun in CT where did they come from? Since it is illegal for someone with mental issues to purchase or possess a handgun in CT how did he come to have two in his possession? The wrong questions are being deliberately asked in the tragedy because the truth doesn’t fit their agenda. If they try and ban black guns it will only drive the desire by most to possess one; that would also includes high capacity magazines, thousands of rounds of ammunition, by what ever means posable both legally and illegally. To prove my point, look at the current inventory of ammunition (especially .223) in the country and the price when you can find it.
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:56amHis mom owned them. She was a collector.
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nocalifornia
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:03amSo that would make the teacher responsible because she did not safeguard the weapons in her home from a child she knew was troubled?
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:14amIf she was a collector, like Chet said, then she has to be one the most irresponsible gun collectors ever. Anybody that would allow a known psycho with serious mental issues to gain access to weapons is sick in the head themselves. Maybe she passed down the mental illness to the kid. Oh but wait, all teachers are the best and brightest that we have, along with firemen and police officers. Sorry. What was I thinking? (sarc)
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mastice
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:17am@nocalifornia
“So that would make the teacher responsible because she did not safeguard the weapons in her home from a child she knew was troubled?”
Short answer….. yes, she shares some level of the blame.
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:25amMil-Dot
The newspapers referred to her as a collector, but maybe “amasser” would be a more accurate term.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:38amI see where you are going Chet. They are now smearing gun collectors. Yes, she was an “amasser” like you said. But, I can you see the smearing starting. I didn’t think about it like that before. You are correct. Good job.
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truthseekerusa
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:55amDon’t be quick to lay blame on the families of this apparently deranged killer.
As the guardian of a mentally ill family member I had to fight the courts who allowed the mentally ill to walk the streets and the psychiatrists/psychologists who thought that providing medication to a patient with serious mental problems would be sufficient. The social workers who fought families that wanted the mentally ill person to be institutionalized fought and won the battle while the families tried to find someone, anyone who would help them.
It took almost twenty of years until I finally found a friend/attorney who fought them all and finally we had a haven for this wonderful man who came home from the war mentally damaged. He died a peaceful death after suffering the beatings and physical damage caused by years of living on the streets, surrounded by a caring staff.
Don’t be quick to blame the mother or family unless you have walked in their shoes.
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ginger100
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:27amStep 1. Get rid of guns from law abiding population. Step 2. have an outcry and get rid of the mentally ill (as Hitler did) because you can’t get rid of all weapons. Step 3. get rid of population and leave a manageable sub servant population to cater to elite globalist.
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:07pmMil-Dot
I don’t know if it’s really a conscious effort to smear gun collectors or just trying not to cast the mother in too negative a light out of deference to the fact that, whatever her flaws and the mistakes she made, she is after all one of the victims.
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dave7310
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:21pmIt’s 100% the Mothers fault. The law here in CT says that if you have minors in your house your guns MUST be locked up so they can not access them.
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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:37pmUnless you all have seen news reports that I have not…how do we know they were not locked up? He could have threatened her life with a knife until she gave up the keys or the combo…then killed her with her own guns.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:45amHow is it you ba*****s won’t ANSWER THE HARD QUESTIONS, hmmmm????? you will serve the hard time ~~~ for all eternity. (Is that long enough?)
How I would love to be there when you meet JESUS CHRIST face to face. I do believe I would burst out into song at the look on your empty face when you finally “get it”.
LORD, I know I’m supposed to pray for these miserable people, and I do; but, it’s probably not the prayer YOU have in mind. Forgive me when I fail YOU, FATHER GOD. In the meantime, would YOU consider those prayers? “No,” huh? *sigh* Bet I will be glad when I get HOME with YOU that YOU didn’t accept them. Thank YOU, GOD, in JESUS’ sweet and mighty name, amen.
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MGrilla
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:03amAmen.
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milo75
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:44amThe wolf in sheeps clothing. Hypocrite! You government SOB’S arm 3 world rebels to over throw thier country but think you can take away ours? Think real hard about that.
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TurboCat
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 7:23amBefore they try to force their will on us, I think we need to get as many of us as we can (millions of us if possible) and show up in Washington D.C. with all of our signs reading Fast & Furious. Just those words. No room for misinterpretation and we could even have tape over our mouths just like the Left do.
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searching for the Truth
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:44amI’m suppose to believe this from people that cheat on a true an false test.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:41am“We need to discuss who we are as a nation, talk about the freedoms that we have, the rights that we have and how those might be used in a responsible way.” When they pass a law or he signs an executive order limiting guns or ammo it’s either civil war or communism. Question is will i die on the battle field fighting along side fellow americans or will i die in my front yard by myself with a tear in my eye……
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MGrilla
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:49amGreat question, and one of my dreaded fear’s, so give it to GOD , because he’ll be there with us……..GLORY BE TO GOD, and GOD BLESS AMERICA….
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badswing
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:51ami will be there with you. i have made it clear to my now adult children that i am willing to die to protect my right to a firearm. but remember, i will be fighting for more than that right. i will be fighting to protect my children from the tyrannical government that will be upon us if we let it happen. 18 children and 9 adults will pale in comparison to the destruction these leaders will impose.
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nocalifornia
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:54amYou will nor be alone!!!
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antiliberalmatter
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:14amisn’t it interesting – that when he says:
“We need to discuss who we are as a nation, talk about the freedoms that we have, the rights that we have and how those might be used in a responsible way.”
He’s NOT even talking specifically about guns anymore….. it’s (any) and (all) freedoms…. This is scary stuff. PAY ATTENTION people. Pay CLOSE attention to the words they use. They slip up and project what they WANT to do by the very words they use……..
I’m with you civil…. this is not going in a good direction at all.
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John 3:16
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:20amI’m ready to fight to the end for the Constitution as it is written. We will honor freedom or die fighting to preserve it. Eric Holder you are a piece of communistic rubbish.
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benjaminmartin7.62
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:31amThere will be many of us ready to die for our rights and the future of our children. We will stand togerther and we have the Oath Keepers and God on our side. Together we will defete tyrany.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:33amCivil, you will not be alone. If you are called upstairs, just make damn sure to take some bad guys with you. The more the merrier.
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guz75
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:26amThat’s hysterical. You people will do what you always do, whine and complain. I seem to remember hearing lots of similar talk about what would happen if Obama was voted in and what happened, nothing.
Your idea of standing against something is boycotting businesses, which of course in reality is just ‘not doing something’.
You’re all noise and no action. I hope they do take your guns, I’ll enjoy the low level whimpering that will occur.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:03pmGUZ75 THEY as in not you trying to take my gun’s? Remember when the smoke clears and we still have our gun’s you and people like you better leave cause their will be no more free rides. EVIL never wins.
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guz75
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:15pmYeah, you’re the one banging on about violent uprising, because you’re worried you’re going to get your toys taken away and it’s everyone else that’s evil?
Like I said before, just noise.
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guz75
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:19pmAlso, why would I want your guns?
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GuruMeditation
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:50pm@guz75: They are not toys punk. They are tools. Just like my cordless drill.
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johnrysf
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:54pm“either civil war or communism. Question is will i die on the battle field fighting along side fellow americans or will i die in my front yard by myself with a tear in my eye……”
As a senior citizen, and lifelong gun enthusiast, when I read hyped-up, extremist gun talk, I think immediately that we’re hearing from an individual who has just disqualified themselves from ever holding a gun, or any other weapon.
“Question is” did you forget to take your med’s? A friendly suggestion: Now, as the nation mourns mass murder, is NOT a good time for radical, wild-eyed talk. Please restrain yourself for a day or two.
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EIDTSUMSLAREBILLLA
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 2:09pm@ GUZ
You know what’ll be hysterical to me? When a gunman breaks into you home and puts a gun to your head. Let’s see how much whimpering you’ll be doing as your making poopy in your pants.
Pretty sure you’d be thinking, “man if only I purchased a fire-arm instead of that bag of weed. I could have protected myself kept this guy from stealing my precious birkenstocks.”
You can go ahead and gamble your life away if you want, I won’t tell you how to live. We on the other hand, choose not to. That said, enjoy life while you can, probably won’t last long.
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airborneoathkeeper
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 12:34pmHate to say it Bro, but I think the later will more likely play out. I for one believes that the end is near….not talking about the Biblical end of the world stuff, I’m talking about the end of the republic, the end of common sence and the end of civility among the population.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:40amHow many children were killed in the USA last week by abortion?
Murder is murder.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:05amYes, sir.
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HumbleMan
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:10amWhy count for a week? With approximately 1.2 Million abortions per year, in the USA alone that’s about 3,290 yesterday. I repeat, more than 3 thousand abortions in the last 24 hours.
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Theblackbook
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:13amAs you and I know the democrats and the MSM don’t think like normal people. I’ll never understand how abortion is not murder in their eyes, but at the same time……they are trying to destroy our country. And remember as the Administration said, “NEVER LET A GOOD TRAGEDY GO TO WASTE”, and believe me they won’t on this one. They’ll take a stand for the children now, (just not for the unborn).
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John 3:16
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:04pmGuz75…You are under the same Psycho denial that the King of England and Hitler were under at one time. There are some of us, lovers of liberty, that believe there are things worth dying for just ask your history book. Freedom and honor are much more valuable than my temporary life. To give my life for liberty would be an honor: The only whining will be from cowards like you when we make your life void of any comfort and security.
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Thighmaster
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:38amSo if enough people break the law with their automobile the federal government is going to take my car away ? Oh wait, more people ARE killed by cars and it’s not a right to own a car… Doesn’t our elected officials have armed bodyguards ?
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:41amIt is about control. The need to control others.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:46am32,000 people died in car accidents in 2011…..I would be willing to bet at least 3,000 of them are kids
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just the facts
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:46amMy only question to Holder is why he still holds his position as Attorney Gereral.
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Trigus
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:02amBarry and his band 40 thieves will bring a end one way or another – fiscal cliff or second amendment – Holder is one to speak about gun control as he armed cartels in mexico, or even Barry and his band of 40 thieves who are currently arming terrorist to over throw legitimate governments around the world. These sense acts of violence will not stop until you curb the contributing factors and not the instrument.
Contributing Factors that desensitize the population: Hollywood, Record Industry, and Video Games. these three glorify and plant the ideas for most of the crimes committed. I enjoyed when the hypocrites of hollywood came out about banning guns – yet, hollywood is one of the biggest contributing factors that desensitizes the population, massive violence, killings, rape, torture.
Alcohol is a contributing factor to more criminal acts then any other contributing factor – automobile is a instrument of destruction used by a driver impaired by alcohol. So, she we ban vehicles?
I have seen a lot of statistics in the last 2 days:
1) 211 children where killed in vehicle accidents involving a drunk driver last year – again – alcohol and automobiles are not banned
2) 11, 726 crimes involving firearms where committed in the UK and Whales in 2010-20111 – amazing since firearms are illegal
3) people tossed out staggering numbers on abortions in the united states and yet children are murdered every day and abortions are legal.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 12:51pmIt’s all about control. It’s that simple.
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3Tesla
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:38amThe demented – demonic – vile -goth -”IT” clown — that is now burning — did NOT LEGALLY carry a weapon– in fact the system worked — he tried to buy a rifle but did not want to go through the waiting period. SOOoooo — he shoots his mom in the face a stole hers– just like the mall shooter stole the AR. Just like airline pilots should be allowed to carry there should be a trained school employee, Walmart employee, theater security guard etc. that could thwart these video first person shooters.
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pookieamos
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 1:39amAmen , I concur ! But that would be using common sense , that’s something that doesn’t exist in Washington D.C. That’s the not the goal anyway . I believe the new Boshevics in the Democrat party would love nothing more than to disarm law abiding citizens so they may control us as they wish !
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progressiveslayers
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:37amThe regime will use this massacre to finish off our second amendment right,a vile lot indeed.
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BODYBAG
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:50amAG Holder, the incompetent corrupt imbecile responsible for Fast & Furious needs to ask himself
if he’s ready to be next to take a dirt nap. Everyone who truly understands the Kenyan Boy-King and his kind knew this was coming down the pike.
In the words of Doc Holliday —– “Say When”
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just the facts
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:54amThey will try, but will not succeed.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:55amNot if we say NO and stand up….I WILL NOT COMPLY!
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progressiveslayers
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:59amOkay gents what do you think will Barry use the DHS,FBI or the ‘civilian army’ answerable only to the ‘ONE’ or all of the above to start the confiscation?
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Endyr
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:59amAside from the fact that I almost vomit when Eric Holder’s picture is displayed on my screen, I have to agree with your statement. I have a very unsettling suspicion that POTUS will use this to justify reclassifying so-called “assault weapons” as NFA Title II. He could essentially side step Congress and just dare them to do anything about it. That’s his MO. He has a free ride ticket for four years, and I believe he thinks he has the mandate to do this.
I also believe that the majority of US Citizens, so far removed from ever having to defend themselves from anything, will cave when this happens and dutifully register their arms and take advantage of the temporary perks of the blockleiter incentives by ratting their neighbors. Yes, I believe we have degenerated to this level in the majority. If this country can reelect that clown for another 4 years, then those people who pulled the lever for him would not hesitate to rat you when the ATF comes-a-canvassing.
All they have to do at this point is to start making preppers into criminals and the ballon is going to go up, imho.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:09am@Progressive:
Absolutely, they will turn it into a moral crusade in the name of ‘safety’ and such rot, all the while they will promise ‘security’ while our liberties are gone one by one, unto a hard slavery at the hands of a tyrannical government.
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khabatta
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:36amHopefully not. Firearms offer protection. The real failure of the 2nd Amendment is that nobody in the entire school was already armed. There should be an emphasis on getting people armed, not disarming them.
Because this will become the next Trayvon campaign, now is the time to assert how firearms are necessary to prevent tragedies like this. Offense, not defense.
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taxpro4u03
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:47am@ Bodybag — This scene? :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfbAFgD2mLo
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:50amProgSlayer and Snow,
Do not be so defeatist. While Obama, Holder and goons are evil, they are not necessarily stupid. The one wild card that they cannot predict is “who will side with whom”. Many police officers will not follow that order. There will be division at all levels of society. If they get it wrong, or make one tiny miscalculation, they know, they will be anihilated. So don’t be so quick to throw in the towel my brothers.
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progressiveslayers
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:26amMIL-DOT I know what you mean about who will side with whom,if it goes sideways and well it could get very bad for us.We’ll see, when the regime starts confiscating firearms how the people will react. On a related note did you see Barrys press conference where he tried but couldn’t produce a tear? He wiped away the nonexistent tear with his patented middle finger salute to us all,a vile phony Marxist POS indeed.
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AxelPhantom
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:37amI think Mildot is correct.
Women are advocates for guns nearly as much as men. I have plenty of friends who are female and liberal and have a ccl. They are often single mothers and/or victims of abuse.
The Congress has turned down many bills that sought to ban handguns. They actually passed a bill that allows you to carry concealed in a National Park. Even Congress wants to be able to protect themselves or allow their families to protect themselves at home (the anti-gun advocates there speak out of both sides of their mouths). Unless they propose a bill exempting themselves (which I wouldn’t put past them) they will do little for an outright ban. BUT I could see them attempting to curtail state rights and imposing a standard of national regulations.
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jlarson41
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:34amIf a law was the answer to stopping something we would never have another rape,murder, robbery or driving over the speed limit. Laws are only guidelines that law abiding people tend to follow. I am mystified how supposedly intelligent people expect passing more laws to stop this problem. The Sikh Temple killings in Milwaukee proved that if you are intent on killing a bunch of people you can do it with gasoline; or as Oklahoma City showed you can do it with diesel and fertilizer. As long as people focus on more firearms restrictions to solve the problem, instead of addressing the real solutions, we will continue to have these atrocities.
A good first step in preventing these events is to look at something that works. Israel’s school children are at much higher risk for this type of thing but they train and arm volunteer school teachers so that they can defend the children.
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HumbleMan
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:48amI’m in agreement 41. The telltale sign of a progressive, is at every problem they encounter, their first reaction is “there should be a law”. When you see someone react this way, you know who they are.
There are solutions to this kind of problem that are solved by LESS laws. Those teachers wanted to protect those children, and I am certain in my heart that had any of them been armed and trained, they would not have hesitated to choose between death for this “being” or life for those precious children.
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Daddy Hawg
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:51amJLARSON41 – When they talk about changing the law they mean to do so in a way that will restrict the type, number and caliber of firearms we can own as civilians. Being a military retiree, I can tell you this is not what I served my country for. Keep up the vigil and write your state and federal representatives to let them know how you feel. The current administration is all about “what is good for the people.”
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lqtm
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 1:04pmYer silly.
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grimmster
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:33amHolder, the question is, are you stupid enough to send someone to try and take mine…And btw, how about you answer questions about the guns YOU put in criminals hand….*******…….
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:32amOnly the law abiding abide the law. Look, here in China, regulated, regimented and disarmed …
22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/22-kids-slashed-in-china-elementary-school-knife-attack/
God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothings, progressives. “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:38amHeard about the story on the Chinese kids. It is everywhere, all around the world in every country. Madmen attack kids.
I don’t understand it.
I wish some shrink could explain it.
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guz75
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:44am@DOUGHUFFMAN
Not you again, are you mentally deficient. You do understand the difference between the two events, right? The Chinese children are all still alive.
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BODYBAG
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:55am@1776FREEDOMOFSPEECH
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:38am
I wish some shrink could explain it.
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I dont give a **** “why” some psycho goes on a shooting rampage.
No “explanation” needed. Just fry ‘em.
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txn4justice
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:03am@GUZ75
DougHuffman’s point is that they were attacked. Method of attack is the only variable here.
Our enemies use planes, bombs, etc to kill Americans here in the USA. This killer could have used something else and it still would have resulted in the loss of innocent life.
However the question should be “why the police weren’t called whern he showed up at the school eariler in the week” ?
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:52am@Justice 4 Texas, thanks. In re preemptive proactive policing, on what legal pretext might they have poked their noses in? Remember that the police are not our friends but enFORCERS of the Leviathan’s laws.
God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothings, progressives. “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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txn4justice
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:18am@DougHuffman
Doug I don’t know how far the police would have gone. But if I had been there I would have called because I would instinctively say “why is this guy here?”. I would say that the killer was suspicious to say the least for being there. It would be along the Neighborhood Watch lines or the Walmarted DHS motto: See Something Say Something.
If I saw a bunch of young middle-eastener looking males taking flight lessons, I might report that too. I really don’t care if it is not politically correct. The FBI is profiling and tracking eveything and everybody. They have been doing it for a long time, decades. MSM just dosen’t want to talk about unless it fits their agenda.
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:32amAnd Do you feel in your heart of hearts that the government is innocent in this?
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:29amSounds like the regime is serious about finishing off our second amendment right once and for all,they’ve illegally regulated firearms since the 1968 gun control act so they’ll continue their assault on the second amendment until they get the total ban on firearms.
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BODYBAG
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:31amThink about this —– Fast & Furious and Benghazi —- both incidents in which this REGIME
botched the arming OF OUR ENEMIES directly resulting in the deaths of American citizens.
These are 2 instances THAT WE KNOW OF.
And they now want to disarm Americans?
The thing I keep wondering [and have been for a long time] is what its going to take for Patriots to wake the F up. What’s it going to take to get people in the streets? Whats it going to take to reach the point where ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:28amHolder is forever impeached, not least on gun control, by ‘Fast and Furious’.
God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothings, progressives. “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:36amBorder Agent Terry’s family is suing the Feds.
How was that “Gun Control” working for you Error Holder?
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Gregb
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:45amobama and holder do not want control of guns, they want control of Americans
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ZAP
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:28amHolder: ‘We Have to Ask Ourselves Some Hard Questions’ About Gun Rights After Fast and Furious
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HumbleMan
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:42amDamn straight. From what I can tell he’s not very good on the answering questions front.
It sounds to me, Mr. Withholder like you want to amend the constitution. Go ahead and try. Or are you and your boss just planning to decide again which laws to uphold for which sub-groups of society and when and where you like? I think you don’t even know the meaning of the word “Law”.
You are a disgrace, Eric Holder. You disgrace your appointed office and you disgrace this great country and its laws you are supposed to be defending.
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Gregb
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:53amHolder and obama’s hard question is how to take away our right to bear arms!
The Sandy Hook shooter could not get a gun legally because of the strict gun laws that are already in place, so he killed his mother and took her guns.
I don’t think that it will be possible…not easily at least…for the government to take away our guns. But if they do take our guns, then the only people that will get guns will be criminals like this one.
What the government needs to outlaw and regulate are the violent video games that are available to our kids. These games teach youngsters how to kill and they remove any sense of morals…no remorse for killing people.
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nurseheidi
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:34amYep and Benghazi too
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:28amLOL…. Holder’s the very LAST nattering nabob that should be talking guns in any way… shape… or form. Get another spokesperson OB. No credibilty whatsoever…
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:43amTIME, How true! But, I am surprised that he held off for what? Roughly 36 hours to jump in. I read the 70,000 plus names on that White House Petition yesterday morning and did take notice that there were no recognizable in the beltway, or Hollyweird signatures. Did notice that there were three Mary Beth(s) though. The first left no city or state, and the other two were in Chicago and Virginia. I suspect that the first one is our very own BARYMETHELIZABETH. BUT, I would have expected no less from her.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:51amRJJ.
“I suspect that the first one is our very own BARYMETHELIZABETH. BUT, I would have expected no less from her.”
Lmao….
The left has no shortage of hypocrites and “meth mouths”…. lol.
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randy
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:27amYeah we sure do need to ask questions HOLDER! Fast a Furious ring a bell?
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djeffcoat
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:27amHow about Eric answers some hard questions about Fast & Furious and maybe Barry answer some hard questions about Benghazi.
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MGrilla
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:39amNow your speaking of responsibility ,again nether men have credibility.
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NO_MORE_OBAMA
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:26amThere is no question about guns. You’re not getting them. Period!
Try fixing the real problem, hollywood, violent games and criminals with guns.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:35am“Criminals with guns”? They’re working on that. When a felon may properly be disbarred his rights under color of law, then we all can be legally disarmed merely by sufficiently lowering the bar of felony — as has been done to stressed veterans and alleged abusers.
God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothings, progressives. “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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joeslick
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:36amAnd quit plastering the face and life story of the nut case all over the TV for days on end. The next one is sitting there and thinking “That’s how I get known, that’s how I make all my problems known, I have to kill some people.” The msm is making the bad guy famous. Just what they both want.
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brigott
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:25amSolution to your false idea of demon’s “rights,” doughuffman; since you don’t seem to understand that committing felonious acts removes their rights: let the murderer’s and rapiers, etc. keep their guns and cling to them all the way to The Chair.
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TMOverbeck
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:34amWhere violent video games are concerned, we need stricter enforcement of the rating restrictions, as well as educating people on who shouldn’t really be playing them (as in behavioral types). Let’s not go too crazy and start banning them. Especially since violent video games have been around for a generation now. I used to play Mortal Kombat all the time, you don’t see me pulling a Scorpion and sticking meat hooks in anybody, do you?
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joeslick
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:26am“meaningful action”….? Wonder if he means something like cutting funds for school security, like he’s already done. Bet you won’t hear that on from the msm.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:06amYou mean the (SRM) State Run Media?
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sandrunner
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:25amHypocrite
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:25amYou ask your self why don’t we profile instead of taking away rights?
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:39amBING-o! or bing-O!
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:43amHolder; <>
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MGrilla
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 9:44amTrend analysis (profiling) is highly effective security tool, but only if your willing to identify the TRUE threat or problem.
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:04amProfiling is taking away rights. The Fourth Amendment makes no mention of superficial resemblance to or group identification with perpetrators of previous bad acts.
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txn4justice
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 10:19am@CHET
So what rights am I taking away by profiling vs outlawing gun ownership, etc?
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WildschweinJager
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 11:05amYeah, Chet exactly what right would be lost if you were profiled?
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 4:06pmThat would be the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures if you are searching people based only on fitting a profile. I assume that’s what you are talking about. Merely observing people who fit a profile more attentively isn’t really profiling and that generally is done by all competent security and law enforcement personnel.
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txn4justice
Posted on December 16, 2012 at 4:47pm@Chet
I belive right now those rights you speak of are already lost, Search that on the net.
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