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Ex-Babysitter Says Conn. School Shooter’s Mother Cautioned: Don’t Turn Your Back on Him

Dec. 17, 2012 3:22pm Jason Howerton

Sandy Hook Elementary Shooter Adam Lanzas Babysitter Says Nancy Lanza Warned Him Not to Turn His Back

This undated photo circulated by law enforcement and provided by NBC News, shows Adam Lanza. Credit: AP

The mother of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooter Adam Lanza warned the boy’s babysitter not to turn his back on the child, not to even “go to the bathroom.”

Ryan Kraft, who now lives in California, reportedly babysat Adam when he was around 9-years-old. Kraft told CBS News he was horrified when he found out that the child he once looked after had shot his mother in the face before killing 20 children and six adults on Friday.

“I’m just numb to it, I haven’t really processed the fact that this happened right where I used to be, and that, 15 years ago, it could have been me,” he said.

He remembered Nancy Lanza warning him never to turn his back on Adam. She said “to keep an eye on him at all times…to never turn my back, or even go to the bathroom or anything like that,” Kraft recalled.

Kraft described young Adam as an introverted boy, but very intelligent and always in “his own world.”

“Whenever we were doing something, whether it was building Legos, or playing video games, he was really focused on it. It was like he was in his own world,” he told CBS News.

Kraft has since started a fundraiser to help the victims in Newtown, Conn. He hopes the money can be used to help those dealing with psychological issues and with funeral expenses. Money may also go towards establishing a scholarship fund in honor of the victims.

Kraft’s fundraising page raised more than $53,000 in one day.

Adam suffered from a physical disorder that left him unable to feel pain, according to, Richard Novia, the school district’s then head of security. He would have to be supervised whenever he handled equipment in case he accidentally injured himself and didn’t realize it.

Adam Lanza, 20, who shot 26 people dead, 20 of them schoolchildren aged five to ten, and then shot himself at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday. (Picture courtesy of Kate Foy)

“Novia recalls that Adam also seemed to have spells where he experienced a psychological corollary to his physical condition, withdrawing so much that his mother would have to be summoned,” The Daily Beast reports.

Nancy Lanza took Adam out of high school during his sophomore year. He is thought to have been homeschooled where he took college-level computer courses at Western Connecticut State University.

So, was Nancy Lanza’s warning to Kraft an ominous prediction of things to come or was it just her way of preparing him for the all the duties that come with supervising a young child?

(H/T: The Daily Mail)

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Hoax And Chains
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:44pm
Isn’t it odd that none of these whack jobs ever attack a police station?

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- Detroit paperboy
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:56pm
  I have never been so creeped out…………inability to feel pain ? Wow…….but an incredible ability to inflict it…………………………………
  
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- Gold Coin & Economic News
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:57pm
  We live in spiritually dark times, but no one wants to say that this may be the cause of these mass killings. And even when they say it, they get destroyed by the left:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFGAGIIDfs
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:02pm
  If they do they don’t get far. I find it more odd the repeated claim that the absence of god in school is the cause for this. If god was absent in anything it was in the genetic roulette of this kid.
  
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- American_Made
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:10pm
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  Hoax And Chains
  Or NRA fundraiser, Gun shows. Shooting tournament or armory. Only places where they have the no gun symbol are people mass murdered. What also amazes me is all our moronic representatives whose only answers they can come up with is more gun laws that work as well as the drug laws or banning assault weapons. Really this is the best America has to offer the people as representation? If this is the best we have to offer we are done.
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:20pm
  Hoax asks rhetorically, “Isn’t it odd that none of these whack jobs ever attack a police station?”
  
  Maybe, but one of these whack jobs killed two police yesterday:
  
  http://www.kansas.com/2012/12/17/2606830/topeka-police-remove-man-from.html
  
  Maybe he didn’t think they were armed?
  
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- aahope
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:47pm
  @Gold Coin & Economic News I agree! We are living in dark times, evil is everywhere in this country.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:56pm
  Babysitter warned “not to turn his back on the child, not to even “go to the bathroom.”
  
  Duh. I tell MY babysitter the same thing & my kid is totally normal.
  
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- V-MindMeld
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:57pm
  Pontiaku…its more like the absence of God in our whole country…..degeneration and breakdown of society……….without God, we are falling deeper and deeper into hell on earth” ( as predicted in the bible) This country has pushed him out and is no longer being bless in ways many never saw till now,,ok,,,,my two cents, not to sound like a preacher,,,,but”
  
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- Objectivist_John_Galt
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:02pm
  @ Hoax and Chains…exactly! We need to allow our teachers to arm themselves if their communities choose to. Sign the petition here http://wh.gov/RJ5d
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:24pm
  SendTheMeteors
  
  Nope, Hoax And Chains comment “Isn’t it odd that none of these whack jobs ever attack a police station?” stills stand s * is a good one.
  
  The criminal you are referring to did not attack a police station. What he did is get a drop on 2 police officers. Let me make it easier for you. He ambushed them. At the time the criminal did not feel much threatened by the officers, because he had the advantage of surprise.
  
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- Too_Far_Gone
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:25pm
  Posessed.
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:26pm
  NEWTON IS A TOWN OF PREDOMINANTLY CATHOLIC!
  
  A lot of people think this story about the massacre “stinks” and I am starting to agree. Was the news media attempting to cover up something in all the misinformation they were giving out?
  
  Is there something else here? Landza was said to be atheist. He was 20 years old. Was that school even around when he was in 1st grade? Was he out to kill Catholic babies? That is would be a motive.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:29pm
  Inability to feel pain likely translated into inability to empathize with others feelings of pain. This guy was seriously messed up, and the picture they keep using of him he looks like an alien or the son of the haley bop comet psycho.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:39pm
  MUFFY…
  
  i’m 39yrs old. I grew up in this town. SandyHook elementary was where 1/2 my friends went to school.
  It’s been around since the 70′s…
  and yes, Newtown is about 1/2 Catholic, 1/4 Jewish, and then everything else…
  
  PS… His brother was the Atheist. Nobody knew what Adam was because he talked to NOBODY.
  
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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 7:12pm
  Bill Ayres obozos friend had a thing about bombing police.
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:06pm
  Walkabout, you’re confusing me. The argument is that if someone knew someone has guns they wouldn’t dare try to shoot them. There were three cops there actually, armed, trained to using deadly force and approaching a suspect. He killed two of them in a few seconds and got away. He killed them BECAUSE they had guns, not in spite of them having guns. So what is your point? These were lousy cops? And you think Kindergarten teachers would have done better?
  
  In the fantasy world you live in, the Good Guy pulls out a gun and terminates the Bad Guy before he can do wrong, just like the shootouts in those westerns. In the real world the Bad Guy is wearing a bulletproof vest (like this shooter and the Aurora guy), is shooting an assault weapon with a large clip designed to do nothing else but kill a lot of people very quickly.
  
  What is your point?
  
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- ButtHurtBob
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:10pm
  Actually, one did attack the police station in my town. He shot the bullet proof glass and a moment later was dead in the parking lot with a bullet in his head.
  
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- The Giver
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:17pm
  They know where the sitting ducks are. They are in the Gun Free zones!
  @ Send the meteors. The teachers don’t even stand a chance without a gun. Would your logic convince you that because they may not be that good at it, it is better to doom them to being a sitting duck and not try at all? A bullet proof vest only protects their chest. Every other part is fair game. Major blood vessels in thigh and neck, not to mention the brain. You must live in N.Y.
  Most of the country has arms and a handfull of nut jobs do this kind of craziness. Stop the gun free zones. They are death traps. Good people, love one another.
  
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- Hawk69
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 1:49am
  @ SENDTHEMETEORS is a clown. Sure a criminal could get the drop on armed men. Sure a murderer could walk into a police station and kill a cop or two. But when has a criminal ever went into a police station and killed 28 cops? That has never happened. That can only happen with unarmed victims.
  
  Jared Loughner, The Batman Shooter James Holmes, and this freaking douchebag all have those crazy eyes and look insane. All three have mental issues.
  
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- DMENTED
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 5:37am
  Like the San Ysidro McDonalds shooter in the 80s, that said he was going to “hunt humans”. They HATE when ‘humans’ shoot back. Kinda like the mooslims.
  
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- CABERNETQHS
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:53am
  LOST SOULS ARE NOT MENTALLY HEALTHY!
  Too bad this mother did not heed her own precautionary advice. If you live with a mentally disturbed or agressive person, guns should not be allowed. For example,childcare providers cannot have a pedophile living with them in Ohio. That said, I believe in every sane person’s right to own a gun – how else do we defend ourselves against the criminals or the crazies.
  I work with a lot of mental health teenagers in juvenile corrections. Many feel no physical pain and cut themselves in order to feel “something”. I read that this shooter was burning himself prior to the event. I would guess there was no religious upbringing if the brother is atheist. Faith is what we fall back on for strength and guidance. Many of the kids I work with claim no religion and show little compassion for others. It will only get worse as our society rejects God more and more.
  
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- wrightbobo
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:34am
  Caution: LOOK Out FOR AND REPORT THIS NUCULAR SOCIAL EXPLOSIVE MIXTURE.
  
  Mixture consisting of sensitive Teenage boy, weapons, free access to the internet and divorced or separated attractive mother with a man other than his father sharing her bed.
  
  Explosion is eminent when his father is close and this mixture is comforted by excuses like “everyone is doing it or times have changed”.
  
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- Jesse Tampa, FL
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:38am
  Sometimes they do attack police stations, however, with much less success.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuuEGuJA7kM
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:45am
  “It will only get worse as our society rejects God more and more.”
  God does not make the mentally ill sane. What the hell do you think you’re going to get in return if some psychopath believes in god? Probably a psychopath “doing gods work” by killing Jews or something…
  
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- CABERNETQHS
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 12:01pm
  PONTIAK WHATEVER
  You are obviously a lost soul and have no respect for God, I wouldn’t expect you to see how far from our faith, we as a nation have fallen. You are angry and maybe should seek help.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 1:38pm
  CABERNETQHS, I cannot respect something that doesn’t exist and I have little to no respect for adults that have imaginary friends/bullies. Faith doesn’t make you morally superior to anyone else. It means you couldn’t figure out right from wrong without an antiquated bronze age mythology scaring you with eternal damnation. Your “god” was more worried about is own vanity in the first 4 commandments than he was about murder, theft, or perjury. Only MEN speaking as god would be so concerned about such things as their gods vanity or coveting thy neighbors slave, ox, or donkey. You can take your faith and shove it, I will remain grounded in reality until such time dementia takes over in my old age should science not quash that.
  
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- Machtyn
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:39pm
  Actually, statistics show that the police ARE attacked more often than CCW holders. So, you have a better chance of not being in a violent confrontation than a policeman is. (I’m sure there is some weighting going on there.)
  
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- Boondox
  Posted on December 19, 2012 at 5:51am
  Actually they have attacked Police Stations in the past, its just very uncommon and the shooter always dies before the body count can reach a headline worthy number.
  
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Cavallo
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:43pm
Was the rifle left in the trunk or is that a misreport from the internet?

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:55pm
  1 rifle was in the car, but it wasn’t the Bush.
  A lot of the early misreporting came from various 1st responders & the info they had passed amongst each other, much of it over-heard from cops speculating, etc.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:58pm
  The cops said early on that the rifle was found in a car and that 2 pistols were used in the crime. Now, all of a sudden, to fit their narrative, the progs are reporting that the evil AR-15 was used in the crime. Does not pass the smell test. Make no mistake, they want ALL AR-15s and such out of our hands. That way, we are helpless. They want that very badly.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:03pm
  Mil-dot-
  
  The cops NEVER said that. The reporters did.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:32pm
  The “reporters” said rifle in car. Now the cops are saying rifle and pistols in the school with the rifle being the weapon used, and the pistol for suicide. A shotgun was left in the car.
  
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- rs9
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:54pm
  East
  “Bushmaster” it was Bush’s fault
  
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- Mustanger
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:33pm
  Bushmaster = Dick Cheany. Sorry couldn’t resist.
  
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Johnny Rocket
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:37pm
I notice a lot of violence happens at schools.
Maybe we should look at ways of closing them down.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:41pm
  Frankly, schools are purposely built soft targets. One of the early massacres in this country was American Indians attacking a virtual log cabin school killing and scalping 10 students.
  
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- rawmilker
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:43pm
  Texas school district to grant teachers authority to carry weapons in screwell’s……
  
  GOD BLESS TEXAS
  
  http://www.infowars.com/texas-school-district-will-let-teachers-carry-guns/
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:33pm
  Hey RJJ… As a former cop.. you may find this interesting….
  
  The baby sitter’s name is Kraft.
  Robert Kraft (owner of the Patriots) owns a factory in this town.
  
  The last time Newtown made national news was when Richard Crafts (dif, spelling) put his wife, Helle, through a wood-chipper.
  
  My Bud’s Dad lived across from the PD. He was the judge that signed the warrant.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:38pm
  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CGQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwatchingrobertpickton88015.yuku.com%2Ftopic%2F1546%2FThe-Woodchipper-Murder&ei=apzPUMLgEKq10QGepoDAAg&usg=AFQjCNERM2bBg2TdhgOEcGELq_Mal2YdFg&sig2=o7sqDgm9spMn73agLKEVEw&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.dmQ
  
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- Sgt_Rock
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:26pm
  Schools are strategic targets. Osama Bin Laden said he would kill our children by the millions. His plan? Attack schools, school buses etc. The attack on Beslan School No. 1 in 2004 was the blueprint for attacks on schools by terrorist groups. Why schools? Psychological impact. Little hits us harder emotionally, than the death of children. Schools are the perfect target for a high body count and shock value. As many folks on these boards have acknowledged, these nut jobs do not attack well guarded locations where the likelihood of intervention is high. They purposely choose the places that aren’t well secured. We have been fortunate that most of the attacks in our country have been the “lone wolf” perpetrator. A motivated / dedicated well organized small force could cause significant carnage in a mall, football stadium etc. Mumbai and Beslan come to mind. The take over of the Dubrovka Theater in 2002 is another example. Yes all of these occurred overseas, but we are over due for such an incident. It is the perfect terror tool.
  
  The fact is, that when (not if) it does occur, it will most likely be in a place that restricts firearms possession because even our enemies know that a couple of folks with concealed weapons permits can interrupt the execution of their plan and/or disrupt the attack. The Trolley Station shooting in Utah comes to mind. The gunman ended up going to ground after an off-duty cop engaged him. He wasn’t prepared for someone to resist.
  
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50211bs
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:34pm
Call me paranoid but something doesn’t smell right with this story.

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- HUGGINGMYBABIES
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:49pm
  Its smells a LOT like someone taking advantage of the situation to get a little MONEY.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:57pm
  20 kids get slaughtered & your conclusion is “something doesn’t smell right”?
  
  great job, Columbo.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:33pm
  So far, the story to be paranoid about is the Aurora shooting. Witnesses saw 2 shooters, not one. This guy sure fits the ‘lone nut’ description.
  
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- ButtHurtBob
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 12:48pm
  What happened with the 2nd guy in camo that the cops led out of the woods in hand cuffs that was yelling to the parents that he didn’t kill their kids? I find it odd that that part of the story just kind of disappeared.
  
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LBRTYorDTH
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:32pm
Remind your congressmen that the 2nd Amendment is not on the table for their self serving feel-good negotiating games.
Can we please sign and share these 3 petitions? We should overwhelm the reactionists in Congress before they begin their quest to further shred the Constitution.
http://wp.me/p2RKc5-1M
You can also read why I think you need to stop fearing the Obama watch list or be labeled and start speaking

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- randy
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:57pm
  I really liked what you said “You can hate the Left because of their anti-gun actions, but you better hate yourself more because of your inactions.”
  
  Hoe much more are we going to take people?
  
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avgconservative
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:30pm
All you F’ers better get it straight. Unless you live with a psychologically ill person, shut the “F” up!

It is a 24/7 worry that something different will enter the person’s mind and they will obsess with it. Their concept of reality is skewed.

All you people who put logic to this by blaming mom, guns, home school, public school, single parenting, etc. etc. can stick it up your A$$ unless you live with a chronically mentally ill person.

Our Mental Health system was protecting the sane people from these people. Then some left/liberal jacka$$ said we must let them into public. Here is what you get!!!!

Get it straight!!!

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:59pm
  roger that.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:44pm
  It was after the movie One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest that the institutions started closing. They were put out on the street. Libs all blame it on Regan. Currently the only way for people with out of control dangerous mentally ill family members is to attempt to have them imprisoned. The libs were all bent out of shape about the atrocities going on in some of the institutions. Rightfully so. Instead of getting a handle on the conditions they closed the institutions. Now the prisons are being used as mental institutions. Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. His mother had no where to go and no one to turn to.
  
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- SolitudeBliss
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:41pm
  Yes, we blame the STUPID BITCH OF A MOTHER who in order to bond with her mentally handicapped, incapable of feeling pain son bought him guns and took him shooting. Does NO ONE else see a problem with this?
  Hint to all out there: If you have a mentally impaired, disable or unstable person in your home do NOT give them access to Guns, Duhhhhhh.
  It is because of the stupidity of this woman that these precious little babies are Dead. Hope she rots in Hell for all Eternity.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:50pm
  SOLITUDE…
  
  If you’re going to be a douche, at least be accurate.
  
  She didn’t buy HIM guns.
  She’s been shooting since she was a girl in NewHampshire,
  SHE is a gun collector and hobbyist.
  
  If you’re going to make stuff up- that’s what Facebook is for.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:55pm
  @solitude- You’re anger is misplaced. Wishing his mother to rot? You could have done better than her? Are you sure? Hindsight makes it obvious she made mistakes but unless you walk in her shoes throwing that kind of vindictiveness her way is sad. There are people to be angry with for sure. To start with who made sure the women charged with caring for these children were guaranteed to be unarmed? Thats who can rot in hell.
  
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- avgconservative
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:20pm
  Sgt Rock… EXACTLY!
  
  Tim McVay was not mentally ill… he was EVIL.
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:24pm
Monsters actually do live among us. And, not a single one of them looks like Godzilla, Frankenstein, or Freddy Kreuger. I know this because I have arrested some. They look just like you, me and everybody else out there.

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- live-free-or-die-trying
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:36pm
  This kid in the last pictures of him does not look like everyone else, he looks possessed by a demon.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:44pm
  LIVE-FREE-OR-DIE-TRYING, I have in mind right now, and I have a photo of this guy. But, he actually looked scarier that that photo could even begin to look. Hmmmm, maybe you are right. I understand the guy I am thinking of is now a law professor at Notre Dame.
  
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- avgconservative
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:51pm
  Dumba$$!
  
  These are not monsters. They are humans with mental illness.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 7:06pm
  @AVG – any human who walks into rooms full of 5 and 6 year olds then repeatedly shoots them is by definition a monster. The vast majority of the mentally ill are harmless. This mentally ill person somehow became perhaps due to his vulnerability and exposure to bad stimuli a monster. Between his vulnerability due to mental illness plus no doubt multiple psychotropic medications plus his exposure to video games added up to the tragic result. He was known to be very intelligent. He knew the children would have no one to defend them.
  
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- Sgt_Rock
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:06pm
  RJ – I have been “on the job” along time and I think you and I will agree that there are monsters among us, but many of today’s monsters are the result of a mental health system gone awry. There are folks who simply need to be institutionalized. Back when folks were diagnosed and placed in “facilities,” they were maintained on medication, treated, counseled and remained if they did not progress, often for life. Today, they are held or committed until they stabilize on their meds, then booted out the door. The “professionals” know they will quit taking their meds, relapse and return, but they don’t care. It’s all about freeing up the bed for the next “client.” The number of M/EDP encounters for us as cops started climbing in the early eighties when the state and private “mental” hospitals started closing. Homelessness took off as well. I wasn’t just about vets with PTSD or winos, it was straight up sick folks. The libs said it was inhumane to house them in institutions, but had this kid or some of the other shooters been diagnosed and institutionalized early on there would be no need for this discussion.
  
  That said, there is EVIL out there and every so often it manifests itself. No matter the cause, this was pure evil, driven by this kid’s inner demons, whatever caused them. There is no excuse for this tragedy, but evil is real and it show up more and more. Parents killing babies, kids killing kids, the evil just keeps growing.
  
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- avgconservative
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:18pm
  Fredrick…
  
  You obviously don’t know mental illness. People who have episodes of total lucidity, followed by months and years of mental illness…
  
  These are real people, who through no fault of their own, have a perspective which is uncontrollable.
  
  Imagine a snake perceiving a human being as a mouse. You an I know he can’t eat it, but he keeps trying to. Do you blame a snake for striking at the human when he is reacting to his environment with sincerity and how he perceives is “normal?” Mental illness is when you do not interpret reality within the normal parameters of thought.
  
  This kid (20 y/o is still a kid) did what his brain told him was right, correct, and moral. It’s called MENTAL ILLNESS… not monsters.
  
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mellowlady
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:21pm
Also per netdetective — it shows Nancy Jean lanza’s occupation as a counselor — and Peter Lanza’s occupation as an accountant. Not sure if that is accurate as .

At the time, Peter Lanza earned $8,556 a week. Lanza agreed to pay annual alimony in 2010 of $240,000 with increases each year. In 2012, Lanza paid his ex-wife $289,800. After 2016, Nancy Lanza would get annual cost-of-living increases based on the 2015 alimony payment of $298,000 a year until Peter Lanza retires.

Peter Lanza agreed to pay the entire cost of his sons’ college and graduate school education. In addition to college expenses, Peter Lanza also agreed to provide a car for Adam. Nancy Lanza would cover insurance and maintenance.

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mellowlady
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:14pm
Nancy Lanza got more than $200,000 a year in alimony and primary custody of the teenage son who last week committed one of the most gruesome crimes in U.S. history.

All that money and she didn’t have the son under professional care?

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:25pm
  I heard earlier today that it was some $300,000 plus.
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:29pm
  All that money AND knowing better than anyone what he was like, and she couldn’t keep those Firearms SAFELY LOCKED away ? I feel like she should not have even had any Guns in the Home anyway, knowing what she knew. He most likely would have had to steal Guns to carry out his Evil deed then, which would have been a lot more difficult to accomplish. I hope all the other Parents in this Kountry will wake up and get rid of their guns OR have them locked up so they are impossible to get access to. But we all know that won’t happen.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:02pm
  It was $12,500 per month. The court records are public.
  Also- they had joint custody (technically)
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:06pm
  ARMED…
  
  stop speculating. Nobody knows how she secured the weapons.
  For all we know he found a key or tortured her for the combo.
  
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- EveF.Destruction
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:56pm
  What kind of professional care would you recommend? When an autistic child does not communicate, what good does sitting in a doctor’s office staring at the floor for an hour do?
  You can’t lock them up unless they hurt themselves or others,
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 7:19pm
  @Mellow – I’ll look for a link to put here. People with mentally ill family members are alone in their struggles. The mental institutions are gone. There’s nowhere to turn for them.
  
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mellowlady
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:11pm
The newspapers overseas are reporting mom was a doomsday prepper, that’s why she had so many guns. Is there some sort of news blackout here that the US media is not reporting this?

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- hatchetjob
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:02pm
  I heard Rush Limbaugh say today that she was a prepper.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:09pm
  The drunk sister-in-law speculated that was the case.
  I’m sure she got her info from her brother, the X-husband (who didn’t approve of her hobby?)
  
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- avgconservative
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:46pm
  Hatchetjob-
  
  Limbaugh said, “AP is now saying she is a prepper.”
  
  Get it straight.
  
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Leerm
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:01pm
The mother made a mistake. she knew or should have known he as a danger. For him to access to so many weapons was a fatal error that cost the live so many innocents. As a gun owner I know there is great responsiblity to insure that they are secure and no one that I think could be unstable can get at them.

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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:22pm
  Anyone in the newtown or Connecticut area. We need help locating someone who does or did work for Child Protective Custody, to come forward with proof the government agency was aware of the problem and did nothing to prevent the shooting.
  This was too conveniant for the progressives to pass gun control and blame it on guns.
  The records will be sealed so it will have to be an employee. The records will soon be destroyed if not already. Look for B.O. to pass gun laws on congress Christmas break, relieving the republicans of responsibility of fighting it. Both sides want more power ( harnessing the threat of an armed population.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:13pm
  DUBLIN-
  
  I grew up in this town. It is full of Catholic gun owners. While the left may try to take advantage of any “crisis”, the citizens of Newtown, as well as the law enforcement personnel, will not intentionally dupe you.
  
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branch manager
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:57pm
From the sounds of it his mother did not use much common sense. She really thought it was ok to keep firearms in a house with a psychopath?

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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:57pm
Mrs. Bates & son.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:22pm
  I can still here the sound that shovel made at the end of the second movie. And, I only saw it once back when it first came out. Gives me shivers to think about it.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:27pm
  “Hear”
  
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MissEllaneous
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:56pm
Perhaps she had reason to be fearful of the ex-husband. It’s the only thing remotely close to a reason that I can come up with.

You hate to blame the victim, but since they’re her guns and her unstable child, then sadly she did play a pretty big part in the outcome. This all sounds like a giant cluster[you-know-what] of horrible choices on this family’s part.

At any rate, law-abiding gun owners should in no way take the blame for this one.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:10pm
  Why was the brother hiding in the woods? I must have missed the explanation for that.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:41pm
  CAVALLO..
  
  The brother was not hiding in the woods. He was at work in NewJersey.
  
  The guy they hauled out of the woods was a resident chopping firewood on his own property.
  
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elosogrande
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:54pm
Sorry to be a jerk, but it seems as though there may be some parental blame for what happened. Why would the mother leave guns and ammunition available and in the house? It sounds like she may have been well educated but not very competent.

His high school had a psychologist permanently assigned to this kid. Were there no signs of potential problems when he was in school? Was the psycholgist over his or her head and not equiped to handle the job? Was the atmosphere too politically correct to allow anyone to confront his problems?

I think there might be a lot of legitimate blame to pass around here, and guns may be pretty far down on the list.

One more thing. If you have a child that enjoys playing extremely violent computer games for hours at a time, that child has a problem…and so do you.

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- drs1969
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:23pm
  Social Promotion.
  I had a severely handicapped girl in my class. One day, I over-heard her personal teacher’s aid complaining that the girl was being advanced w/o passing the grade.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:45pm
  1stly ….You don’t know how, or if, the guns were secured in the house.
  
  2ndly …. He was 20. He wasn’t in High School anymore. Newtown High DID identify problems and worked relentlessly to solve them… After graduation, they can’t help.
  
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fiveft15
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:52pm
Want to blame somebody, how about the ACLU who filed a lawsuit stating that it was against mental patients rights to confine them or force medications on them.So when they won the case thousands of mentally ill people were released on the nation many of whom became homeless and many of whom were psychotic!

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- Leerm
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:02pm
  That has come up in many discussions with people I know lately. And we agree with you.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:25pm
  Yea, the cannibal cases in Florida are probably a result of this.
  
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Marcia
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:51pm
Sounds to me like her warning was to protect her son. The article maintains that he could not feel pain so would not know he was hurt even if he hurt himsef. This young man is the face of evil, unfortunately THAT was not diagnosed early enough.

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thegreatcarnac
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:48pm
Apparently you couldn’t go to sleep around he little bast**d either.

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V-MindMeld
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:44pm
As a christian, you have to feel a little hurt sorrow for this boy,,,,,he could have been born into to any of our familys,,,maybe my son or yours….he was special, and not quite like the rest of the kids. He did need help and apparently didnt get it,,,,,,,,I in no way can comprehend what he did,,,,it has made me sick,,,but in the end,,,he was like any other kid wanting love and to be excepted by others,,,im sur..he probably did not get it the way he needed. I have a severly autistic grandson and my heart aches for him and his mom,,my daughter, everyday,,,such a battle and will be for her entire life. Just something to think about,,,,God Bless the parents of the kids he took from them…..he had no business having access to those guns???

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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:41pm
It WAS his own world. The world of sick, twisted hatred fostered by his mother, and THEY managed to share it with so many people during the Christmas Season. May they both burn in hell forever. Amen.

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- avgconservative
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:49pm
  What the HE|_|_ are you saying? Are YOU mentally ill?
  
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Cavallo
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:41pm
There are so many different threads that the information must have slipped by me. Where did this psycho ****** get the firearms?

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- @leftfighter
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:09pm
  They were legal guns, owned by his mother.
  
  So much for the “keep illegal guns off the street” argument the Left usually uses. Nothing would’ve stopped this one, even banning all guns. If this loose screw really wanted people dead badly enough, he’d still have found a way to make it happen.\
  
  If he’s that highly intelligent and had the want-to, there’s no question he’d have been able to put together an explosive device.
  
  The gun grabbers are using these incidents as fuel to get their way. Always respond with “so the logical conclusion you come to is to limit the rights of 300 million people because of one loose screw?” They’ll respond the same way every time. “It’s not just one. It’s many over the years.”
  
  Your response: “Even if it’s 30,000 people, you’re limiting the gun rights of 99.999% of the population due to the actions of the remaining .001%. Would you limit 99.999% of Muslims because of their .001% of extremists?”
  
  …and watch their heads explode…
  
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Ranger1967
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:38pm
Look into video games….it would seem thats the only thing that have come along in recent years that might explain this behaviour.

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- V-MindMeld
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:49pm
  nah…..
  
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- Mudd
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:58pm
  What about the millions of kids who play violent video games and don’t turn out to be mass murderers. What about ultra-sounding pregnant women to get a look at the fetus, that’s new, so are cell phones, energy drinks, social media, an extended menu at McDonalds. Seems to me we didn’t have this kind of thing going on before there was a microwave oven in everyone’s house. Maybe preschool is the problem, how many of these killers were put into the arms of strangers when they were infants.
  Besides, I thought heavy metal music was to blame for this kind of violent, anti-social behavior.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:08pm
  Army of TWO. Love Co-Op first person shooters. Wonderful bonding experience with the spouse. Although the ending of 40th day was kinda a let down.
  
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- macpappy
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:21pm
  How about he was freaking insane.
  This is what it has come to with the nation celibrating medocroty all the time. Treating sick folks like they are not sick. Telling the infirm that they are no different than the hardy, and then providing handicaps to equal the footing.
  This kid should have been under better supervision. Of course that is hind sight.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:30pm
  Probably should be institutionalized.
  
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- macpappy
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:44pm
  I was meaning to say “mediocrity”,
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:25pm
  Video Games…lol
  
  Nope.
  It was Elvis- with all that hip-shakin’
  and the Beatles with their Mop-Tops.
  
  How about this? Maybe a trusted teacher or counselor stuck a carrot up his butt when he was a student in an after-school program at SandyHook?
  
  Bet that would provide more of an incentive than Grand Theft Auto? …just sayin’
  
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progressiveslayers
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:36pm
Mom: Adam your mind is whacked so I think I’ll teach you how to become proficient in the use of firearms. Who was the person who was nuts here?

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- hatchetjob
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:07pm
  The mom must have had a death wish.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:54pm
  PROG…
  
  I’m betting it was more like this…
  
  MOM: Adam, you don’t talk to me anymore. You won’t even let me hug you. I notice you like shooter games. Do you think you could spend some time with your ole’ Mom if i brought you with me to the range today? You know i’ve stepped up my collection a bit since your Pop ran off with that tramp….
  Maybe we could bond over THIS somehow, because nothing else i’ve done makes you respond, ….despite all the endless efforts i’ve made…. You’ve never hurt a fly.. i’m sure you could handle this….
  
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Cavallo
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:36pm
Do all his pictures have psychotic eyes, or did they just choose these because he looks the most crazy in them?

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- V-MindMeld
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:47pm
  Sick people generally have a look in there eyes that is noticable,,,,,,,,especially when they are very sick,,,,it shows,,,,but i feel these pics may have been hand picked for whatever reason,,,,whether its fair or not?
  
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- Exidor
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:51pm
  The same look that Holmes guy had in Colorado.
  
  The lights are on. But nobody’s home….
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:59pm
  Guess who else has psycho eyes..the psycho who shot up the people in Arizona (U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords) and the psycho who shot up the movie theater in Colorado. I wonder if there are certain anti-depressant types of drugs that cause that wide-eyed look. Aren’t they mostly some type of amphetamine?
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:12pm
  Take a look at Dalhmer and the progression of his shrinking pupils over time. If all this kids pictures look psychotic .. oh.. I guess that would be profiling. We not awowed to pwofwile.. dat be naughty.
  
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- stopprintn
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 4:58pm
  Can we asume that Pilosi is going to crack, maybe on the house floor ??
  
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- hatchetjob
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 5:10pm
  STOPPRINTN, Pelosi does have that look. It’s the look of the devil, soulless.
  
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kegbuna
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:36pm
I would think at the time, due to the child’s age and propensity for self injury, she was just being careful. Seems so strange that she has a kid with special needs and yet had so many guns around..

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- JACKTHETOAD
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 3:43pm
  She should’ve put him down like the rabid dog he was.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 6:55pm
  She was a single Mom living in a 3/4million dollar house in the middle of no-where….
  She may have been delusional about her kid’s capabilities but, i don’t begrudge her, for the arsenal, for a second.
  
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- Frederick_Douglass_Republican
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 7:12pm
  His mother told a babysitter “don’t turn your back on him even to go to the bathroom” which tells me she would have had the guns locked up so she could turn her back on him and to sleep. He was intelligent enough to get his hands on them anyway and kill her most likely as she slept. I’m speculating of course. Kind of like a news rat so I’ll wait to see what comes from the investigation
  
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- NOTMOHAMMED
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:29pm
  She must’ve gone through babysitters like minnows through the Holland Tunnel.
  
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