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‘Real News’: Is Now the Time to Talk About Gun Control?

Dec. 17, 2012 8:40pm Christopher Santarelli

Shootings always put the issue of gun control high up on the national political and media agenda for a few weeks, with an upsurge of emotion and public outcry sustaining the issue for some time before falling once again down the do list for our representatives in Washington D.C.

President Obama offered the following question in his address from Newton, Connecticut, Friday night, the site of the horrific shooting at an elementary school that resulted in the deaths of 20 children under 10 years old: “Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?”

The tragedy has provided a timely platform for gun control advocates to call greater attention to their cause, but second amendment enthusiasts and gun rights backers are firing back, asking if questions like President Obama’s are fair at this time when any legislative proposals are clearly reactionary. Gun control adovates in turn argue “If not now, when?”

California Sen. Diane Feinstein announced Sunday that she plans to introduce a new gun control bill on the first day of the next session of Congress, and the Obama Administration is now openly discussing various options for gun control legislation that the president will push for in his next term.

On ‘Real News’ Monday the panel discussed if these potential laws will it do anything to prevent tragedies like what happened in Newtown, and whether shortly after such instances take place, is the best time to write legislation that will make the most effective law while respecting the Constitution:

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HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:04pm
No it’s not…the end

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- MDECKER
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:21pm
  I believe the issue was decided in 1791.
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:27pm
  There appears to be a connection between the Sandy Hook shooter and the Aurora Co. shooter..both men’s dads were connected to the Federal Reserve and supposedly were to testify in the LIBOR scandal last June that rocked the banking world..One source did not believe it and suggested it was a rouse to take attention away from big Pharma..but another source pointed to all of the descrepancies,bogus, convoluted reporting of the 2 incidents.. For example there was reported three guns at the Sandy Hook shooting, and for 40 some hours two guns were in the school used in the shootings, but the automatic rifle was left in the suspect’s mother’s car.. Mid day yesterday that same rifle was magically now NOT in the mother’s car but in the school and was the primary weapon the supposed shooter used. Amazing reporting, and how convenient that now this all fit’s perfectly with their automatic weapons band push !! think of all the stories from different news media..Peter Lanza (Adam Lanza’s dad) who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial (one of the many corporations owned and controlled by the CENTRAL (FED) BANKERS). The father of Aurora Colorado Batman movie theater accused shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead fraud scientist for the credit score company FICO which works with all major banks, and is directly connected to the function of London.16 international CENTRAL (FED) BANK owned banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal,
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:43pm
  continued..
  accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC, a multinational banking and financial services company also owned by CENTRAL (FED) BANKERS, headquartered in London, has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested related to this LIBOR scandal.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:12am
  This is America where gun control means hitting your target…..anything else would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL
  
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Leveraction3030
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:51pm
Why don’t we ask the Black Panthers to guard all the schools? They already get a check (welfare, EBT, and the Obamma phones to communicate direct to Eric Holder with.) This would make them earn the taxpayer money they already receive and protect all the children.
Problem solved; and they would enjoy taking out the crazies they all claim do these things anyway. Non Blacks and Non Asians are the serial killers, per them, so it would be a win-win for Washington.
Oh and all us law abiding citizens would get to keep our guns and no mass shootings would ever happen again. : )
I HAVE SPOKEN!!!

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- Objectivist_John_Galt
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:02pm
  The gun control petition is the most popular petition right now on the white house website. I truly hope that this does not remain the case. Sign the petition allowing individual schools the right for their teachers to be armed marshal’s. Lets make this one the most popular and send the gun control morons packing. Here’s the link http://wh.gov/RJ5d
  
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john vincent
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:46pm
Is NOW the time to talk about gun control?

Well, as long as there are gallons of water pouring out of the eyes of the bereaved, the simple answer would be ‘no.’ There is a time to g r i e v e . And it must run its course. When the time to heal begins, then yes, THAT is the time. And at that time, I suggest we learn some lessons from the Israeli’s and how they defend life and property.

Years ago it was asked to a high ranking individual in El AL about their ability to not allow plane hijacks- ‘Its easy,’ was the response, ‘we do not allow them on the plane.’ A simple statement, but loaded with training without embarrassing grandma in her wheelchair. They know what to look for, they are skilled in ways we would be jealous of. So yes, enroll their help, and the gun will be used, but as a last resort, not to be offensive, but to defend.

But others already have said to enlist the aid of retired army or other military personnel, (jobs??) and train people to use firearms to defend- if the killer in Connecticut knew there were arms inside, that doesnt happen, or he is killed before the carnage. There is no single solution, but the old Boy Scout motto is ever relevant: ‘be prepared,’ and killers do their magic when folks are not prepared. Expect the best, prepare for the worst.

I really would like to see honest reporting about homeowners who defended life and property with arms; I’d bet the number of cases would dwarf all the attention of today.

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searching for the Truth
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:44pm
Wait a minute – they let a sedated homicidal maniac with a black suit and a helmet shaped **** cut run loose around a school on a daily basis without being handcuffed – and, ” they,” ( the Northerners ) expect us ( forgive, I’m assuming reasoning powers ) believe that “they” have the intelligence to dictate the terms on the survival of our children by taking our guns away ! Now, who is really the insane person here? Please ! Let us go back to the beginning and talk about putting a fence somewhere – may I suggest where ?

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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:23pm
  Mason-Dixie Line? As a Georgian….I’m not opposed to the suggestion.
  
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Cottoneyed77
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:21pm
In speaking about the mass shootings, I’ve yet to hear any of the indecent left include Fort Hood, where 13 were mowed down by a rabid leftist, an Islamist. Cat got their memory?

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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:24pm
  I know….I hear the crickets too
  
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Raging_Waters
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:15pm
I think now is the time to thwart the liberal agenda…

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right field
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:14pm
Guns cannot be controlled – only people can be “controlled”- let’s call it what the Dem / Socialist really mean – They are demanding “people control” and that does not mean control of criminals or the mentally insane. The politicians want “control of the people.” Fear is the great weapon of charlatans.

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jhep3304
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:59pm
Sorry – This post is incomplete. I hit the wrong key.

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jhep3304
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:56pm
Before any intelligent discussion can begin on Gun Control the following question must be answered:
“In any of the mass shootings would more people be alive or would more people be dead it there had been a responsible employee or employees properly trained and licensed to carry a concealed weapon.”

Any solution arrived at without the answer to that question in nothing more than knee jerk grandstanding.

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- CanadaRocks
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:43pm
  The solution to pollution is more pollution. The solution to drugs is more drugs. The solution to spending is more spending. The solution to guns is more guns?
  
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- randy
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:28pm
  Hey CanadaSUCKS the day I start meddling in your countries business, is that day that you have the right to say anything about the US….
  
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spirited
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:40pm
“Is Now the Time to Talk About Gun Control?”

YES!
Fast and Furious cannot continue to be swept under the carpet of-the-latest-tragedy.
–>next transparent distraction President Obama?

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Isis79
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:18pm
Why are we even entertaining the thought about gun control? There is nothing anyone could have done about the current tragedy because evil people will always do evil things and you can’t legislate evil away. Liberals make me sick with their knee jerk reactions wanting to take away everyones Constitutional rights when freaks do something evil. These are the same liberals who have no problem murdering 2,000 plus innocent human lives everyday through their support of abortion but now we are supposed to believe they care about life. They themselves are the true baby killers and they know it.

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- The Third Archon
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:38pm
  Fetuses aren’t humans. To pretend they are morally comparable demonstrates a profound lack of judgment and proper value prioritization.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:46pm
  If a fetus is not human, then what is it? The origin of the word was simply another word for baby.
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:49pm
  @ The Third Archon
  Does the puppy not cry in pain as you crush his head ?
  
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- Raging_Waters
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:52pm
  @THETHIRDARCON
  
  Would you say your parents made a “profound lack of judgment and proper value prioritization” when they didn’t abort you as a fetus?…
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:57pm
  Hi RJJ,
  
  Tonight on Hannity… at about 9:48pm ET, one of the quests, after they played the Chris Mathews clip
  saying Obama was the perfect everything said, “If Chris Mathews could carry Obama’s baby he would.”
  
  I about fell out of my chair. LOL
  
  I’ll bet a pregnant Chrissy or 3rd (of 9) Archon would call it a Human then.
  
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- Fred Noonan
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:30pm
  Third Archon:
  Were you ever a fetus?
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:00pm
  @Third
  
  You deserve the world you wish for. Fully. Without mercy.
  
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- CanadaRocks
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 1:07am
  I believe third was sayin that you cant compare a fetus with a 6 year old. But whatever.
  
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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:01am
  Abortion saves lives and prevents crime. Many of the people who would have been the criminals of the future will never be born because women today can do the right thing and eliminate unwanted fetuses before they grow into unwanted children.
  
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dosdelgados
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:17pm
Columbine happened during an assault weapons ban. ‘Nuff said.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:47pm
  So did OKC, and not a single gun was used. When it comes to evil, where there is a will, there is a way.
  
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bobdog19006
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:15pm
The bodies of those poor little kids weren’t even cold yet and Michael Bloomberg is on national TV. Rupert Murdoch is on the news claiming that “now is the time to get automatic weapons off the street”. Some other tinpot politician is claiming that now is the time to “exploit” the tragedy and finally get rid of guns. And so it goes. Feinstein, Obama, Schumer, and lefty politicians of every yellow stripe, all lined up to grab a few seconds on the news. And the vampire TV journalists are tweeting family members of the victims trying to schedule ghoulish on the air interviews, because the “people need to know”. Not a second to lose.

Nobody seems to have bothered to asked whether knee jerk grandstanding just might be a bit repulsive to people who don’t spend their time watching the Entertainment Channel and getting their news from People Magazine.

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taintso
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:15pm
Guns are not the issue, it is the abnormal people that use them in these ways. And if you look at realistically is doesn’t pay in this country to be normal. It seems like the majority of our laws and regulations are there to protect and place the abnormal above the normal. EG if you get into an altercation with the wrong guy it is a hate crime. look at the environmentalist and the EPA there demands and regulations are far from normal. and every sub culture perverted group is protected. Even lizards are put above the good of humans. Regulations and congress has become insane. They were sent there to work for the normal people who sent them there. not some sub culture special interest group. and part of the reasoning behind the 2nd was to make sure or government was controlled by normal people.

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LakeHartwellSailor
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:13pm
I think it is high time we talk about “Gun Control”.

First topic, “Gun Free Zones”: They don’t work. Let us get rid of this rediculous rule. Criminals do not respect the sign.

Second topic: High capacity magazines. Let’s restrict magazines to 10 rounds. Sales for tape will go up because all you have to do is tape two 10 round magazines and you have a 20 round magazine with a very brief “intermission” after the first 10 rounds. Does that really make it better for society?

Third Topic: Which guns to restrict? Well, lets start with AR-15′s….they can shoot a nasty .223 bullet….and if you have a magazine of 10 rounds, that will be unacceptable. But if you are going to ban that, might as well ban the .22 “varmit” rifle, bullet is just a bit smaller, but not much….less propellent, but that hunk of lead is almost as big as a .223; but the kicker is, most of these rifles come with 10 round magazines. Tape two magazines together and then you get the scenario in topic two. So lets get rid of those rifles as well!

And hand-guns…man, they don’t usually have “high capacity” magazines….but most 9mm handguns can take 13 rounds…..that’s WAY more then 10! Get rid of those too!

Where do you draw the freaking line?

Why don’t we concentrate on the root cause….the deranged shooter in the first place? But even then, they just might resort to……pipe bombs?

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:22pm
  @LAKEHARTWELLSAILOR
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:13pm
  ….but most 9mm handguns can take 13 rounds
  —————————————————–
  My high cap mags take 15 each
  Loaded w/2 spare mags and one in the chamber = 46 rounds
  
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- taintso
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:23pm
  At the close range most of these crimes happen you would have to ban everything even down to slingshots.
  
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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:28pm
  And for those of you who feel that hiring more policemen to cover schools, libraries, playgrounds, municple sports fields, state recreational areas, national forests, your neighborhood, your garage….your bedroom…..where does it stop? You can’t just keep hiring public employees because you are taking people from the private sector, and they are needed to support the bloated government employees we already have! Not knocking our public servants; but man, how do you sustain this increase in public employee hiring?
  
  Permitting citizens to qualify, aquire, and carry weapons is essential to our public safety. I read a book about a kid whom was blinded by a firework accident. He had to learn braille, and deal with becoming blind and coping with the world. During his rehab after his accident, his “trainer” after instructing this kid to navigate the hallways by counting steps. The kid scraped himself up pretty good in this first excercise. The kid complained to his trainer, “why did you let me get scraped up on those edges along the walls? The trainer replied, “you can’t pad all the sharp corners in life”.
  
  I found that profound, and applicable to this talk about gun control. We can’t pad all the rough stuff in life….sometimes you have to equip yourself and deal with it. We will never legislate out violence, there will always be weapons. And there will always be mass murders. I just don’t want to be caught unprepared when I meet those rough edges.
  
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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:33pm
  @Bodybag
  
  Maybe mine take 15 rounds, I don’t remember…..I never load my mags to full capacity because I am concerned with over compressing the spring. In my AR, I have 20 and 30 mags…..load 18 in the 20′s and 27 in the 30′s.
  
  My primary handgun is just a 1911-A1 .45. I load the magazine with 7, but then chamber it; so there is 6 in the mag and one in the chamber.
  
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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:35pm
  @Taintso
  
  No, you would have to further than that. You remember those little round-nose scissors with the rubber handles? They would have to go…..after all, the TSA will take those away right now; so they must be deadly.
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:57pm
  @ LakeHartwellSailor
  Thanks for the info they now know what you have and where to find them ever heard “Loose Lips Sink Ships” Yes that will be added to your Government profile.
  
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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 11:26pm
  @Screw-Windows
  
  Yeah, I pretty much violated Op-Sec….to a degree perhaps?
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 6:59am
  The enemy always like to know what their up against.
  
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oldduffer
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:06pm
From Drudge sub headline
”
In ’95, Holder called for anti-gun info campaign: ‘Brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way’”

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:18pm
  “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms”
  
  —- Adolf Hitler
  
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- bava
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:35pm
  You’re getting your opinions fom Hitler? Thought as much.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on December 18, 2012 at 3:09am
  @BAVA
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:35pm
  You’re getting your opinions fom Hitler? Thought as much.
  —————————————–
  No genius, just quoting your daddy.
  
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:58pm
The only gun control we need to talk about is:
1. to start hiring decorated combat-ready returning service men and women as guards on school campuses and pay them at least as much per year as the principal makes;
2. use tax monies to shore up the buildings themselves bringing them up to safety levels acceptable in ISRAEL for their schools;
3. all teachers and staff have courses throughout the year on gun safety— how to load one and how to use it effectively. Those teachers unwilling to learn how to use a gun to defend their own lives and their students’ lives probably shouldn’t be teaching in a public school these days;
4. students should be taught defense protocols just as we were taught “duck and cover” and bomb drills throughout our growing up days.
5. all schools should have safe rooms designated throughout the school for emergencies such as this.

Had we been ready, folks. Had we been ready officially, this wouldn’t have happened.

“No guns!” is NOT the answer. Learning how to use them safely and wisely is.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:17pm
  No. We need to repeal laws against free peaceful individuals being prohibited from carrying on Federal, State and Local properties. Let free people carry as they will, according to the 2nd Amendment. This includes not just teachers and principles, but also janitors and visitors to the school.
  
  Make us more free, not more totalitarian.
  
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- TSUNAMI_22
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:18pm
  Item 2 relieves the need for item 5.
  
  I don’t really care for item 5 by itself mainly because to get to a ‘safe room’ you have to move from point A to point B, and this can expose people to danger unnecessarily.
  
  I appreciate your input, though. It’s proactive thinking.
  
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- DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 10:45pm
  You are a moron and a tyrant that does not understand the constitution. The correct thing to do would be ban public schools. If this were a private school it would go out of business. But this group of communist, union teachers that failed to prevent this will continue to suck tax payer money without paying taxes.(You can’t pay taxes if you are paid with taxes. That’s just a rebate.)
  
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Rob
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:57pm
Endowed by our creator with certain unalianable rights… hands off!

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M40-A1
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:56pm
If I am made a criminal with the stoke of a pen by a tyrant then why should I obey any law, since I am by definition a criminal, and live my life with total disregard as to the safety and welfare of the tyrant who made me a criminal?

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BODYBAG
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:55pm
“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them. ”

— Thomas Paine 1894

“It is not unfrequent to hear men declaim loudly upon liberty, who, if we may judge by the whole tenor of their actions, mean nothing else by it but their own liberty, — to oppress without control or the restraint of laws all who are poorer or weaker than themselves. ”

— Samuel Adams 1748

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FISH_BONE
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:55pm
The Kenyan sock monkey and his lacky Frankenfeinstein can take their proposed gun control legislation and shove if up their liberal, ignorant asses. Anyone who even considers for a second that the removal of guns from society will decrease violence is an absolutel moron.

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MiCurmudgeon
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:51pm
Now is the time to do something about the future of all American youth. Cut government spending and waste ( the same thing, too often) and give them a chance to save this country.

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EqualForce
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:46pm
Firearms are used far more often by law abiding citizens for personal defense than for the horrible murders committed by deranged criminals. (Although this fact is rarely (if ever) reported by the MSM)

Guns act as “force equalizers” for all men, women, and children enabling defense from stronger, or more able, violent attackers that would otherwise not be possible. Please add this site to the list of those attempting to highlight the defensive use of firearms typically reported by local media:

http://www.equalforce.net

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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:45pm
No matter how much regulation you impose on weapons, no matter how ‘hard’ or ‘difficult’ legislators try to make it on law-abiding people to even purchase a weapon there is one truth that will never, ever change…….

IT WILL ALWAYS BE EASIER FOR CRIMINALS TO OBTAIN WEAPONS OF THEIR CHOOSING.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:48pm
  If I may be frank, if they outlaw my means of self defense, then I have no further need to restrict myself to what is now legal. A lawful person has no moral obligation to follow the edicts of lawless thugs. Read that any way you wish.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:57pm
  “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
  
  —- Thomas Jefferson
  
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- TSUNAMI_22
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:07pm
  @ GhostOfJefferson
  
  Can you imagine how many times in the last 4 years that I’ve said to my family and friends exactly what you just said?
  
  I agree 100%.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:26pm
  Aye Tsunami, probably as many times as I have.
  
  If I’m made an outlaw by unconstitutional law, then I shall make myself a true outlaw by deed. I’ll be moral and virtuous, but the need to follow the laws of the lawless will no longer apply.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 17, 2012 at 8:44pm
There is no debate, and there is no question. My rights are mine and mine alone, given to me by God and revokable only by God. No popular opinion poll, tragedy, vote or mob with pitchforks may deprive me of my rights, except by killing me, and even then the question is up to God alone.

Never comply. Never submit. Never turn in your weapons. Your life depends on it.

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:03pm
  “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
  
  – George Washington
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on December 17, 2012 at 9:19pm
  Great quote, friend.
  
  You may be interested in visiting my site, just opened this last weekend.
  
  http://www.patriotsdonotcomply.com
  
  There is a discussion section, fell free to sign up and contribute, your opinions are intelligent and well considered.
  
  Slainte!
  
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