Former Police Chief: Repeal the Second Amendment
Former police chief Norm Stamper (The Huffington Post)
A former Seattle Police Chief on Tuesday argued that repealing the Second Amendment would help prevent the type of gun violence displayed in last week’s tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
“I have seen over the course of my 34 years of police work countless homicide and other shooting victims — I know what bullets do to bodies,” Norm Stamper told HuffPost Live host Alicia Menendez.
He continued: “What I think is necessary is for responsible gun owners to recognize that in no way would my suggestion of repealing the Second Amendment — and not necessarily replacing it with another amendment, but I wouldn’t rule that out either — that we create legislation that makes sense for today’s world, not the world that existed at the drafting of the Constitution and certainly the Bill of Rights.”
Appearing on HuffPost Live on Tuesday, Stamper discussed some of the same ideas he proposed in a blog post on The Huffington Post.
We are in denial about our duty to stop gun violence. We’re awed by what we perceive to be the power of the National Rifle Association, and the political clout of those members of congress whose loyalty has been purchased by the NRA.
So we wait. We wait for the next slaughter, knowing it will surely come. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. Not unless we resolve to become, in the president’s aspirational words, “better than this.”
How do we accomplish that? Through repeal of the Second Amendment, and the enactment of a new constitutional amendment.
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ACTIONNOTTALK
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:41pmSo, if we also repeal the 4th amendment (right to privacy), then we can eliminate abortion, and save another 2200 lives PER DAY.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:46pmI’d like to know more about this guys background….
My best guess, IF I were asked to give one, is that he’s on disability retirement after shooting himself in the foot with his own pistol. In his mind, if he can’t handle a weapon safety, then no one can.
IMHO
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momrules
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:57pmActionnottalk………..If someone tried to take away abortion rights the liberals would buy the guns they say they hate and riot.
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KevINtampa
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:58pmAhhh… this man is an Overton tool.
Because he’s ex law enforcement he adds credibility to an outrageous stance on gun control. Now any other type of gun grab will seem more moderate.
Let me be the Overton tool in the other direction.
Every person should be given a firearm at the age of 13 or when they reach 7th grade. From 7th through 12th grade they will be required to take gunsmith and gun aptitude tests. Classes will begin with proficiency with a small caliber like .22 and culminate senior year with proficiency with the .50 in both the rifle and handgun varieties. This will ensure that the next generation will always be mentally and physically capable of defending themselves and others from madmen.
Please vote for me in 2016.
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freeberty
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:02pm@Monk
It’s just not this guy, if you do a little research you will find that ALL police unions and most if not all police chiefs, sheriffs, troopers want a disarmed public.
The best idea I’ve heard is to get rid of the police, use the money saved and arm every honorable citizen with the weapon of their choice.
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Hobbs57
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:06pmI Would love to know if this Ex-Cop’s feeling would also apply to him. My bet is that it doesn’t, in his head, since he is an Ex-Cop and all, then the laws he used to enforce wouldn’t apply to him, because he is above the law. This is typical of so many Americans. Those who I am specifically tired of are those who live in New York City all their lives, who view enjoying the great outdoors as taking a stroll down central park. To morons such as these, no other life exists in this world aside from their’s. Oh, they may go to somebody’s farm to ride their show horses, and express these acts as being able to relate, but they don’t have a clue. As a boy growing up at home, guns were part of life, and could be carried in our neighborhood to and from target practice or hunting, with out even a flinch of the neighbors. Men and women alike knew all about guns. Of course, those who didn’t care for them, were those who were of the house holds who’s Daddy never exposed his children to them, but even in those cases , most of those people eventually learned to use them safely and for enjoyment. Yes, guns need always be respected and always treated as if loaded, and yes, anybody handling them should have some sort of safety training by somebody who knows how to properly handle them.
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macpappy
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:07pmThe Monk
It looks like the spammer has got you in his sights. Or, is the fact that he is showing up under your post just coincidence?
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loriann12
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:08pmThere are good cops, and then there are the ones who truly believe that the only guns should be in the hands of cops. I wonder if when they retire, and are no longer cops, they would be willing to give up THEIR guns?
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Oldmantex
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:14pm@ Monk – He is an author trying to sell books, nothing more. Another liberal heartless douche_bag, willing to use the death of children to promote his own welfare. Sick!!!!!!! The Blaze should take this article down, he is using the media to make money off a tragedy.
I wont post the link but he is on amazon and has a book about violence and his ridiculous ideas of a perfect world without violence and murder and death penalty and guns.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:18pm@freeberty
That’s what some people say but every Cop I’ve talked to that has had a fellow Officer who was overpowered by a bad guy and was saved by an armed Citizen has changed their mind.
We need to work together and not separate.
This is the divide and conquer mentality that the progressives are using against us. Every Cop that has gotten past being fooled by them wants a healthy, stable, non-crazy, armed public.
About 95% of American are peaceful while about 5% cause the problems.
Why punish the 95% for the problems the 5% suffer from?
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IronSights
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:18pmWhat strikes me as odd is that the quote didn’t start out as “duuuhhh uuummm……repeal the second ammendment…….duhhhh.”
That must have been edited out.
Seriously, his logic is flawed and stupid. I’ve seen some pretty traumatic motorcycle, auto, and semi accidents, yet we still have autos and people still drive. He’s posturing for some political office in his area. Obviously as a democrat.
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brother_ed
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:23pmI have two things to say:
1) His solution may stop massacres like THIS, but what other kind if massacres would occur? If you close one window, another one usually opens.
2) How do we know when we have “become better than this”? There are millions of gun owners who have demonstrated that they have “become better than this”. Does “becoming better than this” mean we have figured out how to control the people, or that the people have figured out how to control themselves.
When we have a full year if no gun violence, thus proving that people have ‘evolved’, I will think about relinquishing my God given right to bear arms.
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CB1
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:27pmTuesday, December 15, 2009Norm Stamper On Alternet: Legalize ALL Drugs, Not Just Marijuana
Posted by LEAP
Retired Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper has an excellent piece on Alternet today, noting that a new national poll shows majority support for legalizing marijuana but that most people still oppose ending prohibition of other drugs.
Norm urges reformers to think about the harms of prohibition that will remain if we legalize only marijuana. He says that although legalizing marijuana a good step in the right direction, it would not, among other things:
• Stop gangs from selling other drugs to our kids (since illegal drug dealers rarely check for ID);
• Stop drug dealers from firing on cops charged with fighting the senseless war on other illicit drugs;
• Stop the bloody cartel battles in Mexico that are rapidly expanding over the border into the U.S;
• Stop the Taliban from raking in massive profits from illegal opium cultivation in Afghanistan.
Read the whole piece and Digg it so that more people read this important information!
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JohnnyinthePedros
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:31pmThe mass shootings that have taken place in this country and around the world have happened where guns are banned, and this moron’s cure is to make the whole country a victim disarmament zone, like Mexico. Brilliant. Every time idiots like this start talking about banning guns, gun sales go through the roof. Do you think these people are buying firearms so they can turn them in after they’re banned, genius? Are you going to be the cop who gets killed enforcing your backwards laws, dumazz? Didn’t think so. Do you have a gun in your home, cop? Lemme guess, you’ll be making an exception for retired LEO’s. Molon Labe! (That means “Come and Take Them”, you stupid, un-American, Marxist baztard.)
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CB1
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:32pmSo what did you think he would say?
Tuesday, December 15, 2009Norm Stamper On Alternet: Legalize ALL Drugs, Not Just Marijuana
Posted by LEAP
Retired Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper has an excellent piece on Alternet today, noting that a new national poll shows majority support for legalizing marijuana but that most people still oppose ending prohibition of other drugs.
Norm urges reformers to think about the harms of prohibition that will remain if we legalize only marijuana. He says that although legalizing marijuana a good step in the right direction, it would not, among other things:
• Stop gangs from selling other drugs to our kids (since illegal drug dealers rarely check for ID);
• Stop drug dealers from firing on cops charged with fighting the senseless war on other illicit drugs;
• Stop the bloody cartel battles in Mexico that are rapidly expanding over the border into the U.S;
• Stop the Taliban from raking in massive profits from illegal opium cultivation in Afghanistan.
Read the whole piece and Digg it so that more people read this important information!
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JediKnight
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:34pm@Monk: Don’t make the mistake of confusing the average cop with the Chief of Police or the guys who want to be the Chief of Police. The average cop wants citizens armed. The typical guy trying to become Chief of Police is playing politics and will almost always want more gun control. That’s how they get elected.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:41pmSeattle PD is notorious for teaching the Keystone Kops Korp.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:42pmHi MacPappy,
Pure coincidence. It was actually in reply to ACTIONNOTTALK. It was also only one of the stories it posted on and they have already been dealt with manually.
How have you been? Did you get my last message?
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The-Monk
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:57pmThanks Oldmantex,
Like I said…. I’d like to know more about his background.
For all I know he might be a really nice guy and accidentally discharged his sidearm and killed someone. We just don’t have enough info to judge his statements in this short story.
I can tell you that Monks have Laws that are never wrong. Like; “What something is; is what it extends” and that “separation equals and division causes conflict”
We need to work together with Law Enforcement and the Military.
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Pikeman
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:58pmIt’s been said that when seconds count , the cops are only minutes away. They forgot to take this clown into effect. In this case the cops are only a ay or two out. It takes longer to look both ways at intersections when your head is that far up your ****. hell lets repeal the other amendments to Repeal the 1st Never like the Huffington Post anyway. Take away woman right to vote that way I win every argument with my wife. Make slavery legal, I have yard work that needs done or maybe make this guys meds required under penalty of law it would be simpler that way.
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oldguy49
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:04pmand the police can show up after the murders and take notes
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HumbleMan
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:08pmCloser to 3300 a day … in 2009 it was 1.2 million abortions per year …
What this moron doesn’t understand is the world is exactly as it was in 1791. There are tyrants who wish to disarm the public, and there are enemies who wish to do us harm. The weapons that are our unalienable right to own are those adequate to fight against invaders to protect of lives and property. The second amendment protects our God-given right, it does not pretend to confer that right upon us.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:25pmOops, Edit;
“separation equals and division causes conflict”
Should be;
“separation causes division and division causes conflict”
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Brentley
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:37pmThis guy has no clue about 2nd amendment. How did he become a cop? Why did he become a cop?
This guy is a loose canon, but trust me folks this is going to become an issue and with the liberals running the show they may just get this accomplished.
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Janet056
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:37pmStamper was a rat as chief……
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700P
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:44pmThis nonsense about repealing the 2nd Amendment is precisely what some of the Founders wrote concerning the dangers of “mob rule.”
I’ve been to two gun stores in less than 24 hours and both were jammed with people buying military style weapons. People vote with their wallets, for a little while longer but go to wh.gov/RLsR to make sure your voice is heard above fat union goons like this.
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byronvic
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:53pmYour right, abortion takes many innocent, knives not guns kill them, lets ban knives. Take knives away from doctors.
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valiant1776
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:22pmPoliticians cannot repeal one single Right. The Constitution does not grant any Rights to the people, but only declares their existence. Rights and powers are inherent in the people themselves. Our right to keep and bear arms is natural and not a gift from other men, nor a privilege to be exercised under the supervision of overlords. We all have weaknesses and talents, and are all in need of tools and resources. A firearm is no different, for as surely as a man needs cloths to protect and cover his own body, so he needs arms to defend and protect his own life and liberty. Alexander Hamilton argued this in the Federalist papers when opposing the necessity of a Bill of Rights. He said that regardless of a Bill of Rights, we still posses all those Rights expressed therein, and that the federal Government can’t violate them because the previous constitutional Articles never grants it any power to govern them, but only permits it those powers expressed therein. He assured the anti-Federalists that if the federal Government stayed within its constitutional bounds there would be no encroachment of said Rights. No Government institution breathed into man Life, wherefore no politician may claim to be the sole provider and protector thereof, much less, claim sole wisdom to govern the same for others…
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valiant1776
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:22pm…The same God that created us also endowed us with the Right to self defense and self preservation. Man was not created by man, but shaped and formed in the image of God, and so must we respect each other. We all have a duty to honor and hold sacred the Life of other innocent men, a Right which is a gift from God to all. These Rights came not from the wisdom and goodwill of men, far from it, but were endowed to us by our Creator, and are part of our nature. We all posses a Right to protect and defend ourselves from any and all threats or attacks, present or imminent, but more importantly, we all bear a Duty to ensure the same Right for others. No title or position in life can withhold us from securing what is rightfully and naturally ours. Safety and freedom go hand in hand, and the one without the other can not exist. Wherefore no man or body of men can take or deny that which is most essential and necessary for our own survival and prosperity. Governments are not instituted so that politicians may exercise our Rights for us, but to protect and defend these Rights for our own enjoyment and fulfillment.
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Sgt_Rock
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:58pm@ Monk – Stamper was a San Diego cop for 28 years rising to Dep. Chief. He took over at Seattle PD in 1994. He left immediately following the WTO riots when it became clear that the leadership of the department,despite significant intel that the protests would in all likelihood be violent, failed to sufficiently prepare for the WTO conference and that lack of preparation significantly contributed to the ensuing chaos. The rest is history. He was not well thought of by the troops and to this day if you ask a Seattle cop about Stamper they’ll spit on the ground and say “Norm who?” He was very much a laid back non-proactive chief. A huge lib and a do not make waves kind of guy. He has a Ph.D but as in most cases (not all), chiefs or high ranking cops with a Ph.D completely lose contact with reality and become like this guy…so caught up in their own (alleged) superior intellect, that they forget where they came from.
To comment on something you wrote earlier, I can attest that most line cops love the idea of an armed society. It has been said that when seconds count the cops are minutes away…very true, and I would much rather show up at a house with a dead burglar in the hall, than a dead homeowner in their bed. All we ask is when we contact folks that are legally carrying, that they keep their hands visible and advise us where the gun is. In 33 years I have never had an issue when folks just used common sense.
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Evileye
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 11:01pmSeattle police once shot a man in his house holding a TV tuner. Op’s wrong house.
I think he was Chief of Police then.
Some people should not have guns.
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Maji
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 11:10pmMight explain the “Former Police Chief” thing.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 11:34pmNorm Stamper
-Wants to legalize all drugs
-Apologized for using tear gas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Stamper
Could it be that Norm Stamper was a British Merchant in China in a past life?
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corbecket
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 11:36pm@FREEBERTY
“…most if not all police chiefs, sheriffs, troopers want a disarmed public.”
Umm. I don’t know where you got your data to make such a statement. Most (if not all) of the cops, troopers, sheriffs I know (and I know quite a few), tell me that I’d be crazy NOT to own a weapon. Of course, that’s just my experience. I’d like to see the data that brought you to this conclusion.
Care to share it with us?
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Wolf
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 11:47pm“…:
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Crazyotto
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 12:14amNorm resigned after he mishandled the WTO riots in Seattle.. He is not a big pot smoker and ACLU advocate for a more just Police force. His in effect just an old bearded commie… as an ex-resident of Washington State it is typical of Seattle politicians and most of my old friends and family .. can’t why maybe something in th water but they really are just bunch of commies.. drive 100 miles East and everything is different.. go figure…
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700P
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 12:45amMeant to also say he lost his own liberal argument the moment he broke from their party line to admit the real valid reason for the 2nd Amendment (otherwise he’d see no reason to need it repealed).
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Rob in Katy
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 1:17amOr we could deport the illegals, which between drunk driving and murder, take around 9,000 lives a year – but I guess since they do it in 2′s and 3′s that is OK.
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Dr Vel
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:00amSo to be fair disarm all police and military as well, since the 2nd is really about keeping our freedom and safety. This push to disarm us is coming from Washington and those in power. Those who are clearly on the side of the muslim terrorists and against us. Has anyone seen video in the middle east where even the children do not carry true military weapons of war, full auto rifles as well as RPG’s? They are all this well armed yet no mention of disarming them. All we have is pea shooters compared to the weapons of war the billions of muslims carry. So what is DC’s true plan? Make us pay to arm muslims, while they disarm us, then let them flood in through the open borders as their army to take us down? Since those ruling us fear our millions with semi auto weapons, has anyone considered this is how they plan to take us out? By armies carrying weapons of real war flooding in with the blessings of the democrat regime while they hide in their taxpayer funded bunkers. You can call this conspiracy lunacy, or a simple thought experiment in strategic planning. No doubt the muslims armed with RPG’s and AK 47′s flooding into the US will be wearing UN patches after all they will have their small arms treaty.
Conspiracy theory? Strategic thinking? Maybe, but I have not lost a game of chess in many years so strategic thinking comes easy.
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grimmster
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:37amOne reason to repeal the second amendment,it would allow cops to gun down people at will,and not just bad guys.Yea,go ahead,try and repeal it,that wont happen.What will happen though, is odumbass is going to “regulate” gun sales more,magazine sizes,the amout of ammo. you can buy per year etc…….
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:58amThere are way to many people like this man that do not know the trap that is waiting to snap once we are no longer armed, millions upon millions murdered and the rest imprisoned. That is what ALWAYS HAPPENS when the populace is disarmed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDivHkQ2GSg
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DMENTED
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 7:13amAnother future swinger.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 8:18amNo monk, that’s not it. Cops, former cops, and most govt goons don’t want anyone other than themselves to have guns. You see, they are the big bad govt that destroys and takes from the people so they can live high on the hog. They can retire at age 55 with 80% salary and full health benefits for life. They are able to do this by taking money from the private sector workers who have to work until they drop. They don’t want us to be able to defend ourselves against THEM.
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retiredfire
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 8:35amMost police chiefs are political appointments. To have been appointed in a liberal city like Seattle tells you a lot.
Polce chiefs, as political appointees, deserve no respect when they talk about law enforcement – they weren’t chosen because of their adherence to real law-and-order.
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naughtycal
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 9:11amWe just repealed that whole pesky Bill Of Rights thingy altogether we could make this country the safiest country on the planet . With citizens scared tyo death to dare speak their mind or do anything out of what the government tell thems.(sarc)
This man should be removed from our shores he is a cancer on freedom. Fact is we need the change the first amendment to outlaw those who attack our rights. We are a free nation and anyone who doesn’t want to be free needs to leave.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 9:13amHey while we’re at let’s repeal the whole Constitution ! We can start over and eliminate everything anyone anyone doesn’t agree with. We an get rid of the President and appoint a Dictator, We can give them complete control of our lives, yeah that’s it let’s just give up everything that the constitution gives us , you know, silly things, like freedom of speech, because we all know that the government will always be there to take care of us.
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enzomedici
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 9:24amThe cops shoot more people than anybody, so they should give up their guns first.
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mikem1969
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 10:13amI will give the lead freely out of the barrel of my gun. You will only take my guns from my cold dead hands. If you want to come take mine, bring the body bags.
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oneshiner
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 10:31amAs I shake my head, the only thing I can think about is: “What an IDIOT” but what do you expect from liberal Seattle? I know a lot of Police Chiefs and none I know are stupid like this guy.
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226crimsontrace
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 12:33pmLook him up, he is a pot legalizer too
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Lotus503
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 1:00pmI was thinking more of repealing the 16th & 17th Amendments. Take the power to tax away from the gov. and make the Senators accountable to the States they represent.
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naughtycal
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 1:37pm226,
Pot should be legal it none addictive,can be grown for free,and helps people in pain….where’s the down side. People should have a choice in FREE COUNTRY…..BTW with all the recent growth in government can anyone tell me what’s free even mean in America anymore……we are free to ?
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00100111
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:23pmI’m getting to the point I’d really like them to try. I’m getting tired of restraining my trigger finger…
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careaboutUSA
Posted on December 20, 2012 at 4:59amI just see Washington State, Huffington Post and Alicia Menendez and I know what’s coming! I’m frightened of obama’s policies, what he’s doing, trying to take our guns away! Oh! u’re just another dumb conspiracist ! Well, let me tell u a few facts, obama went to Columbia University, his lecturers were Cloward and Piven,they teach, make TOO MUCH WELFARE and DEBT so America can’t pay it, people will be screaming in the streets for their checks[a la Greece!] unions will encourage mobs to riot! out comes the troops and here comes obama’s MARSHALL LAW ! I did’nt write that , Professor Cloward and Francis Fox Piven did! Google it!! Remember our old buddy, Ronald Reagan? Remember what he said about an armed militia [ Meaning=We the people!] won’t be messed with if obama knows we’re armed and ready! He’s going to try a Socialist takeover ! No, doubt in my mind, right now he’s just feeling his way! answer? LOCK and LOAD , before gun control comes! and also UN GUN CONTROL, which I think obama and Hillary signed of on for ! Long Live America, obamaless!
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piper60
Posted on December 20, 2012 at 9:09amRights aren’t a gift from the ruling class tp the peons.to be taken away like privileges from children whenever it suits the lords of creation. That’s what “inalienable” means.Congress can try to abolish rights via amendment-but the states aren’t going to ratify unless the apprentice congresscrittersare feeling especially suicidal.
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Twinspeedr
Posted on December 20, 2012 at 10:41amHe’s from Seattle. Liberalism rots your ability to reason. There is more violence when we keep law-abiding people from owning/carrying guns. The assault weapons ban was less likely the cause of a small drop in crime during the 1990s than the economic recovery that lead into the Tech Revolution. So, there is nearly ZERO evidence that a gun ban will improve the situation and a confiscation program will lead to a civil war. But is sure FEELS good to discuss a gun ban doesn’t it? The problem is telling the Government to “JUST DO SOMETHING” is a VERY bad idea. Get a clue!
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slkgej6
Posted on December 20, 2012 at 12:10pmThe fools who would do this think the world was different. It was. They were in a fight for their lives against an oppressive government that had, as its 1st agenda, the removal of weapons from the hands of the citizens in the name of “order”. The reason we are not as deep in this struggle today is because of the unequivocal language of the 2nd amendment. I don’t care how many bodies “Santa Claus” Norm Stamper saw in his time. What does that matter? In virtually every one of those cases, it was criminals who shot each other, NOT law abiding gun owners. Why are we not demanding an end to the scourge of automobiles, since they kill far more children than guns ever will? By this reasoning, we should outlaw them since this is the number one killer of children. We all know that would never happen because that would affect the liberals too. They only crusade for causes that will affect everyone BUT them. This knee jerk reaction would have the opposite effect of what is advertised. Take guns away from everyone you can find. Crime will INCREASE because criminals will no longer fear facing a weapon. If they truly believe that they will be safer without guns, please, put up a large sign on your lawns advertising that no your home is a gun free zone. Which house would you NOT fear to hit if you’re a criminal? The one with the sign showing a human outline full of holes or the gun free zone of the neighbor? That’s what liberals want to do to schools. Hypocrites.
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BannedByHuffpo
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:39pmYeah right, copper.
WHEN SECONDS COUNT, THE POLICE ARE JUST MINUTES AWAY.
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BODYBAG
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:07pmYeah, Police usually show up in time to draw the chalk lines around the body of an anti-gun advocate who was gunned down in his own living room.
F that.
Truth is you have seconds to decide to terminate a criminal or become a statistic.
There wont be a lawyer or a policeman there in those precious few seconds. Only you and the perp and one of you will not walk away.
I dont know about you, but Im going to put the other guy down.
Im seriously tired of liberal stupidness.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 8:53amOr, they show up after the homeowner has already used a gun to defend his family, see him with the gun and blow him away. And then they don’t even apologize. “Hey man, he shouldn’t have been holding a gun”.
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:39pmRonald Reagan – 40th President of the USA (1981-1989)
“There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism — government.”
“You won’t get gun control by disarming law-abiding citizens. There’s only one way to get real gun control: Disarm the thugs and the criminals, lock them up and if you don’t actually throw away the key, at least lose it for a long time… It’s a nasty truth, but those who seek to inflict harm are not fazed by gun controllers. I happen to know this from personal experience.”
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illegal characters
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:28pmWhat an amazing statement considering he was a sitting president victimized by an assassination attempt.
Great post and quote.
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starman70
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 7:49amYEAH!!! Just look at Chicago. That city has some of the most restrictive gun regulations in the USA but has one of the highest murder by gun rates in the nation. Street gangs, dope dealers and career criminals don’t care about gun laws. Even if we remove all the responsible citizens guns, the crooks will still have and use them.
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retiredfire
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 8:46amOH, how I miss a man such as this at the head of our country!
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marie77
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 7:56pmCathy – Thank you for that quote. President Reagan had a certain knack for explaining the truth of the matter in easily digested terms.
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:37pmAn interest article in its entirety.
The US Should Learn from Israel How to Permit, Not Outlaw Guns
December 18th, 2012
Imagine if Germany or Poland’s Jews had been armed. Would rounding Jews up have been as easy or even possible? The answer is, obviously, no.
Read more:
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-us-should-learn-from-israel-how-to-permit-not-outlaw-guns/2012/12/16/
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momrules
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:36pmDuring his 34 years in law enforcement did this liberal/communist carry a gun? Why?
Did the officers that he commanded carry guns? Why?
Does he still own guns and is he willing to be disarmed?
The movement to disarm America really has started. This is going to get very, very messy.
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KevINtampa
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:14pmYou might be right Mom. But while the Progressives may have started this war on the 2nd Amendment, I assure you that divine providence will see to it that it will be free men who end the war.
Free men don’t start wars. Never have, never will.
Free men end wars. Always have, always will.
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Daddy Hawg
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:34pmGun violence is not committed by the law abiding citizen, it is the criminal element. Look at Chicago where guns are banned and see how well that worked out. When you see what bullets do to bodies it is because they did not have the opportunity to protect themselves. If the police could prevent crime rather than just investigate it after the fact I still would not give up me freedom. The next thing will be speech if it hurts his feelings…..
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KrishnaDas
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:26pmI see your point, but they will simply say “well, it’s just a city, and since the rest of the country has firearms…”. A better argument is one that I would make: I live in NH, high gun ownership – even democrats are armed here and have pistol permits. And we also have *the* lowest crime in the country.
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BlackChinook
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:34pmWhere does this stop? What is to stop a mentally ill person from driving across the playground? Why not target the Mental Health professionals? It sure sounds like they failed. In addition how about looking at those innocent first shooter games? Surely they had no role in this shooting or desensitizing individuals to violence, not to mention TV or movies. I am not going to address here why the founding fathers gave us the second amendment but there was a reason more than just to hunt.
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LakeHartwellSailor
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:33pmI don’t get it. He says repeal the 2nd Amendment, and possibly replace it with a new amendment? What is this new amendment…how would he construct the language contained in this replacement amendment? He does not offer a suggestion of what that replacement amendment would look like. So he is basically not thinking this through before spewing his opinion of a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. Or, he is just content with repealing the 2nd Amendment and calling it “good”.
He’s softballing his proposal. I think he did think this all the way through, and he just wants an all out ban, and by suggesting a possible replacement, he is just trying to get people to entertain the idea. Classic smoke & mirror tactic by the left.
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John 1776
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:33pmWhen seconds count the cops are just minutes away. (Usually with a good supply of chalk and little marker flags.)
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Stan Horn
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:56pmANd….and I might add…a big baggajellydonuts…
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Totally Domestic
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:24pmAnd yellow tape,gotta have that
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Silversmith
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:33pmFrom Seattle – what a shock. (sarc)
Silversmith
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let us prey
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:43pmLol
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Beachmastermax
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:33pmWhy do irrational racist, like this guy, come out only after white kids are murdered? Child murder goes on in Chicago every night.
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hatchetjob
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:43pmExactly.
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MDECKER
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:32pmApparently the former chief is taking the State of Washington up on the right to smoke dope, because he is clearly burned out. Our Government has never been so close to being a Tyranny since the drafting of the Constitution, as it is today. The former chief, who I’m sure is armed quite well himself, can stay indoors and just keep smoking dope until the dust settles.
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:32pmIn July, 2011 … if caregivers of the 84 Norwegian teenage campers who were gunned down had been armed for their own protection and the protection of the youth entrusted to their care … maybe the outcome would have been different. Instead those young people were sitting ducks.
91 Killed in Norway Island Massacre, Capital Blast
Published July 23, 2011
A Norwegian dressed as a police officer gunned down at least 84 people at an island retreat before being arrested, police said Saturday. Investigators are still searching the surrounding waters, where people fled the attack, which followed an explosion in nearby Oslo that killed seven. The mass shootings are among the worst in history. With the blast outside the prime minister’s office, they formed the deadliest day of terror in Western Europe since the 2004 Madrid train bombings killed 191. Police official Roger Andresen told reporters that the total death toll was now 91 and that a suspect was in custody being questioned for both assaults and is cooperating with the investigators.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/22/explosion-damages-buildings-in-norwegian-capital/
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FISH_BONE
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:31pmA world where only criminals possess guns would certainly work out for everyone. I’m sure it would be a true peaceful utopia. For example, please see Chicago.
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hatchetjob
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:45pmThis might be Oblamo’s way of redistributing the wealth when the only ones who have guns are the criminals.
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RightWingLeftyGolfer
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:31pmI saw “Seattle” and really had to read no further.
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Old_Bones
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:34pmAgreed! I’m near Spokane. We don’t allow progressives hereabouts.
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Gregb
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:35pmyou said it … Seattle = home of far left loons. I was there for a week and their cable didn’t even carry Fox News.
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LakeHartwellSailor
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:38pmI had the same reaction when I saw it was Seattle. I’ve worked in the Northwest off and on over a couple of years and the general mentality in that region is pretty left oriented. However, I did not stop there, I read the article. You can’t just stop at “Seattle”, and say to yourself “I know where this is going”, and then start commenting on it. Beesides, in the words of Sun Tzu….know your enemy. Even if the new information is not “new”. Its better to stay on top of what the opposition is saying.
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MadNewYorker
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:31pmIdiots like him are the reason President Obama has a second term.
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FISH_BONE
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:38pmAnd the reason he will have a third.
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FYOPLU
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:16pmThank you.
365+365+30+19 days
49+365
414+365
779/779
13 hours
15 minutes to life
skitta blaze
smiles
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Depressed_American
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:30pmReally, Then please explain the Murder Rate in Chicago. Because the Mayor of Chicago has done away with the second ammendment. They are the Worlds Leader in Murder, dispite having the toughest gun laws in the United States!!!
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Eternal
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:28pmNo sympathy for the dead in Chicago .. It is what they want. It is what they risk. So be it.
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trouthunter1
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:30pmThis does not surprise me as it comes out of The People’s Demokratic Republik of Seattle. Years ago I lived in that nest of liberals. The place looked great in my rear view mirror the day I left never to return.
From my cold dead hands…
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COME AND TAKE IT 2121
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:29pmPerhaps if I wasn’t misrepresented, lied to and sold out by the politicians who claim to work for me I might consider some type of gun reform. However, on account of the lies, deciept and underhanded selling out of the American citizens I have no trust in our elected officials
Nor there motives. Trust us, just give up those nasty old guns and you will be so much better off. Ah ha so what’s your true motive? Sorry but I just do not trust you enough to disarm.
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:29pmGun Contol? On June 2, 2012 … law abiding unarmed Canadian shoppers were at the mercy of a determined shooter who was well aware there would be little challenge to his mission to destroy lives.
Toronto Eaton Centre shooting kills 1, injures 7
Last Updated: Jun 3, 2012 1:22 AM ET
Toronto police are searching for at least one suspect after a Saturday evening shooting in the Eaton Centre left one man dead and seven others injured. Const. Victor Kwong said the shooting took place in a busy lower-level food court, adding that one male victim was pronounced dead at the scene. Kwong listed the genders and conditions of all eight victims and the ages of three, which are as follows:
Male, 25, dead
Male, 20, critical condition
Male, 13, critical condition
Female, no age given, serious condition
Male, no age given, serious condition
Female, no age given, serious condition
Pregnant female, no age given, went into labour after being knocked down
Female, no age given, grazed by bullet ….
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/06/02/toronto-eaton-center-shooting.html
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:43pmits just lucky the canuck couldn’t shoot straight.
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:17pmWarmunger-Al
It was not lucky for the shooters 9 victims. If it were not for gun control in Canada … there may have been ONE person in that food court that was carrying a concealed weapon and there would not have been nine victims. Hey … if were not for gun control maybe the shooter would not have ventured on a mission that implied there was good chance could be taken down.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:22pmcathy-
it was lucky because, if the shooter was skilled all nine would have died and many more would have as well. The glass is half full, only one death when it could have been much worse. Canada’s laws are indeed stupid, they are like our democrats here.
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banjarmon
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:28pmThis would be a DIRECT INFRINGEMENT on MY 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHT and MY means to defend MY other GOD GIVEN RIGHTS!!!!
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TheCalmOne
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 1:15amGod gave you the right to bear arms?
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00100111
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:36pm@CAL…um, yes. You’re kind of a “short bus” type person, aren’t you?
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:27pmI find it amazing that there are people in America screaming to have ANY of our rights taken away. “Take away our rights! Please! Take away our rights!” **shakes head** it boggles the mind. What has happened to this country?
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Fubared
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:27pmNo thanks chief, piss off and pound broken glass.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:55pmI like that, and to think that for decades I have suggested that others pound salt. I’m stealing that FUBARED.
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Fubared
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:15pmRJ, anytime, no need to even refer to or footnote me. Merry Christmas to you sir, so few actually left- the sirs that is.
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banjarmon
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:24pmHOW many guns have STOPPED crime before it HAPPENS??? Millions of people have handled guns TODAY and NO ONE was KILLED.
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Marine25
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:29pmFair enough. But you are not suggesting there were no shooting deaths today. Are you?
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:30pmDisarm the police, disarm the American government, disarm all the gangs, and then you discuss disarming the citizenry. Traitors should be hung. Any attempt to remove the 2nd amendment will be met with civil war.
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Fubared
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:43pm25
Show us the socio-economic make up 99% of those shootings and then you go there unarmed and talk your internet smack to them. Lib pos at every turn.
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DrFreedom
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 8:05pm@Marine… Not as many that died from an ILLEGAL drug OD or car wreck, and the ones that were committed were done so by criminals that by definition DONT FOLLOW LAWS its a felony to commit murder! So if they are willing to break laws what the hell makes you think writing more laws will do a dam thing???
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00100111
Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:37pmJROTC25, I see you tried to comment, but all that is coming across is “Derp derp derp derp derp derp derp.”
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:23pmOkay, repeal it, or give it a try.
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:29pmExactly. The sooner the better. Create 100 million instant criminals formerly known as law-abiding citizens.
They can’t have my weapons. Case closed.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 7:31pmI bet this jack-wad has guns in his house. f-inng traitorous dog. He doesn’t deserve to be an american citizen.
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taxpro4u03
Posted on December 18, 2012 at 9:17pmThought you might find this interesting…. http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-key-here-is-denial-of-moral.html
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