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Alien-Like Skulls Unearthed in Mexican Cemetery — So What’s the Explanation?

A more than 1,000-year-old cemetery in Mexico has yielded archaeologists perhaps more than the average skeletons they were expecting. Of the 25 skeletons unearthed, 13 had heads that many would liken to the modern interpretation of aliens.

Skeletons With Skulls Shaped Like Aliens Found in 1000 year old Mexican Cemetery

(Photo: INAH via Past Horizons)

But before we can jump to “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” conclusions, researchers don’t think these were extraterrestrial beings among the ancient Sonora culture. According to Past Horizons, archaeologist Cristina Garcia Moreno with Arizona State University said the skull malformations were probably from a binding ritual.

The “cranial deformations” found in the research approved by Mexico’s National Institute of Anthropology and History had not been exhibited in the Sonora culture before.

Skeletons With Skulls Shaped Like Aliens Found in 1000 year old Mexican Cemetery

(Image: YouTube screenshot)

“Cranial deformation in Mesoamerican cultures was used to differentiate one social group from another and for ritual purposes, while the dental mutilation in cultures such as the Nayarit was seen as a rite of passage into adolescence,” Garcia Moreno said, according to Past Horizons. “This is confirmed by the findings at the Sonora cemetery where the five bodies with dental mutilation are all over 12 years in age.

“In this case, you cannot recognise any social differences because all the burials seem to have the same characteristics. Nor have we been able to determine why some were wearing ornaments and others not, or why of the 25 skeletons only one was female,” she continued.

The significance of the finding is that is shows the spread of Mesoamerican culture further than previously thought as similar cranial malformations and mutilation to teeth that was see in other cultures that is now being exhibited in this one.

Skeletons With Skulls Shaped Like Aliens Found in 1000 year old Mexican Cemetery

The Mayans are thought to have bound children’s heads in a manner similar to this. (Image: Wikimedia)

Watch this video (in Spanish) to see more images from the discovery:

(H/T: Daily Mail)

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Comments (179)

  • LoneRanger26
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:13pm

    Were they illegal “aliens”?

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:18pm

      Reminds me of Gog and Magog

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    • Truthbeliever2
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:25pm

      If you are an English speaking American, don’t bother watching the video.

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:25pm

      Maybe they came from this Pyramid they found on Mars:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3glxSnM71E

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      Gold Coin & Economic News  
    • pt417
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:34pm

      Yes, but aerodynamically fast.

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    • forthepeople
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:35pm

      Very well done , sir ! Another Illegal Alien on the government dole .

      Anyone who has seen the last Indiana Jones movie would not be surprised for he had been there and done that , Lucas that is ………….

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    • Leopold
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:49pm

      Gold Coin

      your comment made me burst out in laughter. Thank you.

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    • Leopold
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:59pm

      And we know what aliens look like, how…….. exactly?

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    • TADTAD
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:06pm

      You just had to, didn’t you?

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      TADTAD  
    • wowjustwow
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:08pm

      Hey Truthbeliever2…so very many 100% Americans who speak English also speak Spanish (and French and German and Italian…)

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    • searcher619
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:16pm

      Truthbeliever2:

      Are you an English speaker or did you simply miss this line before the video:

      “Watch this video (in Spanish) to see more images from the discovery:”

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:23pm

      @ wowjustwow

      “Hey Truthbeliever2…so very many 100% Americans who speak English also speak Spanish (and French and German and Italian…)”

      But many that frequent the blaze don’t go for that book learnin’ stuff.

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    • Red Meat
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:29pm

      I wonder why democrats don’t display the elongated or crushed heads? only the brain damage.

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    • TheEDGE
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Good call Gold Coin! Especially now that half the earth’s population walks around with a camera of some kind on them. No definitive pictures of a “spaceship”, no little green men, no Bigfoot or sea serpent creatures. It’s called “science fiction” for a reason I guess.

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    • Maji
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 5:02pm

      The first democrats!
      Notice the tapered head…?

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    • Truthbeliever2
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 5:19pm

      WOWJUSTWOW, JRHUSKY.

      Totally lame both of you.

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      Truthbeliever2  
    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:22pm

      They say the Mayans bound the heads of their infants, but why? To what purpose? To look like their god?

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    • Saving_the_Republic.com
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 7:43pm

      They’re illegal aliens alright! Why do you think Mexico has such tough immigration “lawals” now!?

      The idea behind elongating the skull was the people were trying to mimic the gods from the sky!

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    • ldomin
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 9:31pm

      I have to admit that was a good one.

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      ldomin  
    • Eternal
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 10:02pm

      Lmao!

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      Eternal  
    • Racketman
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 11:19pm

      And now I know why Google Translate is still in Beta…

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 12:31am

      What I want to know is if this practice of head shaping was carried across the Bering See when the Amerind emigrated to the Americas. The Huns also practiced head shaping.

      I also like to know if the Huns & Central American Indians tradition of head shaping was from a common ancestor out of Africa. Africans have longer skulls than Caucasians (They have shown that Cleopatra’s family had a bit of African blood (along with the Greek) from skull morphology & DNA. They found Cleo’s sister in Asia Minor where she was assassinated.). You see it in the art of Nigeria for one. I wonder if over time as some groups migrated out of Africa into Asia, they lost the long skull due to mutation & in order to get that look they started head shaping & the cultural practice lasted anywhere from 10,000 to 100,000 years ago.

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    • UnknownUser1
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 12:40am

      ive heard about this for 10 years now and you are just now making news of it? you suck

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    • KissMyAmericanFlag
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 2:42am

      You beat me to it!

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      KissMyAmericanFlag  
    • Quester55
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 5:59am

      What bit of truth came first? The Indiana Jones movie; Crystal Skull or This perfect looking Prop from the Movie?
      If this Ancient Skull is real, ( And I Said ” IF ! “) Then it makes you wonder how the Movie got their Fictional Facts so Close Together. Only time will tell.

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    • minorityconservative2
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 7:31am

      Anyone have an idea what these gods from the sky were/are? Fallen angels perhaps?

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 10:48am

      Regular people in a cult smashed their-own skulls to elongate!! Y’a think the FEDS stole one and planted it in [AREA-51] just to add to the “alien” PROG-AGENDA-smokescreen?! The more “JUNK-MSM-NON-NEWS” … the better the PROGsmokescreen!

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    • YankeeDelta68
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 3:38pm

      looks like harry reid.

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  • Dan
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:11pm

    ***yawn***

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  • disque-0-duc
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:07pm

    “Juanito, come here son. It’s time for your bedtime – now brush your teeth, put on your retainer, and DON’T forget your conehead binding vise. And I don’t want to hear ANY whining!”

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  • raderby
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:06pm

    Egyptian – old and new world footballs…..

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  • Keatonc33
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:00pm

    These are the stories the Blaze should stick to

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    Keatonc33  
  • barrygoldwater
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:55pm

    http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0zCTlqOo-7Xi5xlP7ZABgLHf6ayEj8gieaQfNODOoqnw6OvBoq08d7khn

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:24pm

      That’s Giorgio!
      He is interesting to listen to whether or not you buy what he’s selling.

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      jhrusky  
    • starman70
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 8:52am

      These phenomena have been found all over the world and found in cultures as disparate as the ancient babylonians, Assyrians, African tribes, From India, China and Meso America.

      What makes cultures so vastly different and so far removed from each other revere the practice of elongating the skulls of their people? Why do they do it? Who are they trying to imitate?

      If this was a practice limited to just one area, one might be able to understand the idea but these cultures are seperated not only by long periods of time but also vast distances and across oceans. There should have been no contact – - – person to person that is – - – between these cultures. Where did the common thread eminate from?

      There are far more questions than there are answers.

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  • nc_kayaker
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:51pm

    Elongated skulls have been un-earthed before, many times. This is nothing new folks…….

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    • WarMunger_Al
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:14pm

      yeah, thats what the aliens want you to think…nothing to see here. Aliens brought Obama.

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    • searcher619
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:17pm

      If you read the article it says s much….

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      searcher619  
    • TyrannyNoMore
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:27pm

      @Warmunger…..Communists brought Obama ! Just ask the KGB.

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    • countryfirst
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 5:38pm

      Remnants of the first liberals, that happens from having their head up their A$$ for too long .

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    • Twobyfour
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:09pm

      Nazca, Central Europe, several locations in USA, Central America.

      Two types:

      One with a cranial capacity within the scope of modern human (1300 ccm – 1450 ccm) and thus attributable to head binding–you can “cone” the skull but you can’t really increase the cranial capacity, only marginally.

      Second with a cranial capacity well above the normal human margin (1700 ccm – 2500 ccm).

      It may be surmised that the first type tried to “copy” the second type.

      Some other differences: Type one — the cranial sutures are the same as modern human, but deformed.
      Type two — The sutures morphologically differ, often parietal and temporal bone sutures are fused/missing.

      Alien? Unlikely. Possibly another type of human that had some disadvantage and couldn’t compete with a better adapted modern human (a repeat of HSS and HS-Neanderthal encounter) and is extinct. Larger cranium does not equal larger mental/intellectual capacity. The coneheads must have some quality, though, that compelled our regular human types to imitate them in many cultures.

      There are, though, several known skulls that “do not belong” and are very difficult to fit even in a very broadly defined “freak” type category.

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    • Twobyfour
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:36pm

      Just for a comparison… Both Neanerthal and Cromagnon branches had an average cranial capacity around 1600-1650ccm.

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    • WarMunger_Al
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:53pm

      Communists are Aliens

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      WarMunger_Al  
    • Twobyfour
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 7:12pm

      WarMunger_Al, naw, they are demons. Incubi and succubi or their spawn.

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      Twobyfour  
  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:46pm

    Coming to a town near you – saggy- soggy – headed- crack – down – shape – shifters. Don’t try this alone !

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  • Larry E
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:44pm

    Flathead (Salish/Kootenai) Indians in NW Montana placed their infants in cradle boards that flattened the top of the skull in a fashion that gave the tribe their English name. No big deal.

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  • SREGN
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:34pm

    I’m waiting for Sigourney Weaver’s opinion.

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  • resme
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:27pm

    I’m not saying it was aliens but… It was aliens

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_medw9sysqO1r4h8xno2_1280.jpg

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:36pm

      Come on Blaze..more trick photos? This is just pictures of WANGO/PANTLOADIAN/HORSEDANCER after a few hits of Night Train.

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      AvengerK  
    • edcoil
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:48pm

      I heard some women the other day on the radio – she indicated she in some of her “digs” in Colorado found the same thing – along with larger tools then the humans were using then.

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    • jUSTacOUNTRYbOY2
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:30pm

      nOT A CHANCE. wE ALL SAW THESE GUYS ON sATURDAY nIGHT lIVE.

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    • YouCantExplainThat
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:52pm

      el chupacabra!

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      YouCantExplainThat  
  • 48Straights
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:25pm

    Alien heads that are not alien heads? Really Blaze?

    Just compare the liberal sites to this one and tell me if it the liberals or republicans who are uninformed and distracted:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com
    http://front.moveon.org

    Those sites are mostly adult news, TheBlaze is mostly news for third graders.

    More garbage news from TheBlaze.

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    • Poorfessor
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:54pm

      How do you find time to break away from the adult news and come here to complain?

      Those sites are propaganda for morons.

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    • Keatonc33
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:02pm

      haha! i know! these are they types of stories the blaze is good at! leave the news to the professionals!

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    • azitdad
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:20pm

      … and yet, here you are reading and complaining. I mean, you actually took time out of your day to come here, register, read, and comment.

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    • HellboundandDown
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:30pm

      it’s nearly as funny as a racist, afearin’ of them Gay Cooties and xenophobic version of the Onion can be.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:31pm

      POORFESSOR
      Those sites are for morons? Well that’s about 5 rungs up the ladder from what hangs out here then.

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    • DIR
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:47pm

      @SIMPLEMINDED: “Those sites are for morons? Well that’s about 5 rungs up the ladder from what hangs out here then.”

      Simple, you’re here, and I gather then you are speaking of youself with the rungs statement? You left wing fruitcakes sure like the projection game. We see your misery and have been taught misery loves company, but others of us here aren’t interested in joining you on your 5 rungs below, which is more like a 1000 rungs below, and never ending misery. By the way, the msm was the first to publish this article. I think the Blaze put the article here in an effort to appeal to you and your kind. If that’s the case, the Blaze is misguided. Some old cheezy Simpson reruns would be more appropreate. Nevertheless this article is interesting. By the way, did you read about the french actor who left France because of high taxes? Another interesting Blaze article. Read it! You might learn something useful, especially about liberal taxaholics.

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    • Lamarr01
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 1:11am

      You are correct. Moveon and Huffington targets fifth graders with a worthless college degree.

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    • 48Straights
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 3:01am

      Funny how not a single Blaze reader had the ball s to click on the links to see the difference in the real news the far left sites report and the almost total news blackout TheBlaze has.

      There is a reason we got our buts kicked in the last election, and sites and readers like TheBlaze was a big part of it.

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  • coyote1hell
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:24pm

    Looks like the Liberals were busy screwing things up back then..haven’t changed a bit…..

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:23pm

    Mom?

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  • Cavallo
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:22pm

    Interesting what the perceptions of beauty is across time and cultures.

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    Cavallo  
  • SaintLionheart
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:20pm

    Coneheads.

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  • The_Jerk
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:15pm

    If Obama had a son, he’d look like that.

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    • SUMTHINSTINKS
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:26pm

      HA! That’s a Good One…..

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      SUMTHINSTINKS  
    • aquarian_monk
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:03pm

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Justice for Ancient Aliens!

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    • HellboundandDown
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 3:31pm

      you should show more compassion to Sarah Palin’s kids and Glenn Beck’s reta…err…’Special’ childrens

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 4:29pm

      @ hellboundanddown

      Nothing’s off limits to you? You think it OK to ridicule children, and even moreso, ridicule someone with any sort of physiological or psychological issue?

      You, sir, are a piece of trash that must have crawled out of the bottom of a cat box.

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    • HellboundandDown
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 10:26pm

      @jrhuskykidsrsexy:

      when speech is Free, NOTHING is off-limits.

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      HellboundandDown  
  • Polarized America
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:14pm

    .
    could this be the..”mormon mayan connection” ?

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    • saranda
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 5:25pm

      Was joe smith married to an alien? I lost track after his 20th marriage.

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      saranda  
    • edmundburk
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 9:06pm

      except if it’s about obama,homer-sexuals,abortion, or any other progressive fancy!

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  • chucksue351
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:09pm

    tatoos, body piercing, and now the kids can do body deformations, oh how much fun

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  • HellboundandDown
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:08pm

    the Blaze is what happens when you read…sorry, look at National Geographic for the Nudity

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    HellboundandDown  
    • KNaggieland
      Posted on December 20, 2012 at 1:27am

      Are you still angry that the best… er… I mean only girlfriend you ever had was stamped “inflate to 30 psi” on the side?

      I am sure the next time your mom OD’s and cleans up she will finally remember who your dad is and that will make you complete, until then just wait in the basement and for gosh sake try not to get anymore cheetos stains on your underwear you know that freaks her out when she can see how you touch yourself.

      Just remember go easy on your mom working those late shifts at the strip club on circus freak night to pay for your WOW account is taking it’s toll.

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  • banjarmon
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:05pm

    Is it fake?? Look at the teeth, They look like a orthodontist worked on them.

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    • Twobyfour
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 5:22pm

      Died young. Id’ look just like that if I died when I was 30. Except the cone, that is.

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  • trueamerican40
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:04pm

    “Poppycock!”

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  • Elena2010
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:01pm

    I immediately thought of the Mayan practice, too. Interesting that it seems to have “migrated” to the Sonorans.

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  • Bohump
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:00pm

    If they were Alien, .. Do you think they would tell you ? ( here’s your Sign ! )

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  • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
    Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:00pm

    And this one is Beldar Conehead, and this one is Prymatt Conehead and that one is…

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    TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12  
    • OnwardThroughTheFog
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:08pm

      And with that, I am going to consume mass quantities of Dos XX!

      Too funny!

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    • HellboundandDown
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:09pm

      uh oh…the 2012 election is over and now I’m stuck with this constant reminder. fail.

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      HellboundandDown  
    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:17pm

      TIME, damn you. Now I’m wiping coffee from the monitor!
      Actually, from what I have seen, they have found skulls like this that belonged to supposed Mayan royalty, as well as part of an early Pharaoh’s family.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:20pm

      Just unti Dec 31st HELL… then you’re free from what BINDS you I reckon….

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:24pm

      ONWARD…. ;-)

      RJJ. At least I didn’t cause that cat of your’s to shoot straight up and cling to the ceiling again, lmao.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:33pm

      TIME, LOL, you really should see a couple of them actually almost jump like this when I crack up. The wife can hardly stand to be near me in a theater for a good comedy. Of course we don’t have that problem much these days.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccgWR_7bq9A

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 2:56pm

      RJJ. Hmmmm funny thing happened on the way to the forum. I just had a comment “disappeared” when I was relating to your “other” Loony Toon that was “disappeared” a while back.

      Anyways, I’ll be hitting the bricks at the end of the month and pursuing other endeavors. Your like-mindedness on a variety of topics was welcome…. not to mention your life experience on a number of fronts and your humor.

      Always remember….”This We’ll Defend” my brother in arms.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on December 19, 2012 at 6:43pm

      TIME, Dang, my son has been over here all evening on the computer, so I am just now back. No, say it ain’t so brother! I do hate to see you go. Hope that you stop back in every so often. You, I will certainly miss. In the mean time, have a Very Merry Christmas followed by a Happy New Year.

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