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Gunman Kills 3 in PA, Including Woman Decorating Local Church

Dec. 21, 2012 6:09pm Jason Howerton

Blair County District Rich Consiglio, right, and Blair County Coroner Patricia Ross talk to the media about a shooting in rural central Pennsylvania on Friday, Dec. 21, 2012 in Geesytown, Pa. Credit: AP

HOLLIDAYSBURG, Pa. (AP) — A man fatally shot a woman decorating for a children’s Christmas party at a tiny church hall and killed two men elsewhere in a rural central Pennsylvania township Friday before he was fatally shot in a gunfight with state troopers.

The shootings began in Frankstown Township at about 9 a.m. and investigators were processing five crime scenes within about a 1.5-mile radius, authorities said at a news briefing Friday afternoon. The troopers were responding to a 911 call of a shooting in the township when they heard calls reporting at least one other shooting elsewhere, state police spokeswoman Maria Finn said.

“It’s going to take us some time to put this all together… and know exactly what occurred,” Lt. Col. George Biven’s, deputy state police commissioner, said at a news briefing.

Family members of the victims said they were told the woman at the church was the first victim shot, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported. The gunman then shot two men in the driveway of a home after a confrontation at a stop sign, authorities said.

“This person went to their driveway with a pistol, pointed at them and started shooting,” Marie Brenneman told the newspaper, identifying herself as a cousin of one of the male victims. She said both male victims were the shooter’s neighbors in the tiny village of Geeseytown, about 70 miles west of Harrisburg.

“They were uneasy around him,” she said.

The woman at Juniata Valley Gospel Church had cooked food the day before for the funeral of the longtime pastor, said the Rev. James McCaulley, his brother. The central Pennsylvania church was still reeling from the Rev. David McCaulley’s death when the woman returned to decorate the church hall – named after the pastor of 58 years – and bullets ripped through a window, he said.

The gunman then entered and shot one of two women before he left, the Rev. James McCaulley said.

Local law enforcement block off road along Rt. 22 near the Canoe Creek State Park, Pa. while investigating a shooting on Friday, Dec. 21, 2012. Credit: AP

Two troopers driving to the scene of one shooting were fired upon by the driver of a pickup truck headed in the other direction, and the truck smashed head-on into a cruiser driven by a third trooper. The truck driver – believed to be the gunman who killed the other victims – exited the truck and immediately fired at the troopers, who returned fire and killed him, Finn said.

Bivens said investigators don’t know if the victims were picked at random. “We’re not at that point in the investigation to firmly say one way or another,” he said.

All three troopers were being treated at a hospital for what Finn said were non-life threatening injuries.

One trooper was hit by two bullets, one that hit the body armor on his chest and the other that wounded the trooper’s wrist, Finn said. A second trooper was hit by shattered glass and shrapnel. Those two troopers were expected to be released from the hospital Friday.

The third trooper was being evaluated for injuries he suffered from the head-on crash with the gunman’s truck.

McCaulley, who is the pastor of another church about 50 miles away from the site of Friday’s carnage, said his older brother began leading the Frankstown church in 1954.

“He preached his last sermon at the church in October before he fell ill,” McCaulley said.

The church, which lists about 150 members in an online want ad posted this month for an associate pastor, is close-knit and the woman killed Friday was among its more active members, McCaulley said. She had made food for him to bring home Thursday since his wife had died this year, he said.

“The only thing I can say good at this time is that (the gunman) didn’t do this 24 hours earlier when there was a big crowd in the church hall,” McCaulley said. “We’re devastated.”

Friday’s shootings were the second involving a rural western Pennsylvania church this month.

Gregory Eldred, 52, an elementary school teacher is jailed on charges he fatally shot his ex-wife, a church organist, during a service in Coudersport on Dec. 2. The pastor and church members subdued him until police arrived.

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Comments (105)

charles116
Posted on December 22, 2012 at 12:02am
I told that church gal “TINSEL IS THE DEVIL’S TOOL!” This will teach her!

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- December22
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 6:32am
  Not funny, someone died and you’re trying to be funny. Sick.
  
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charles116
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 11:52pm
Every church should have an armed guard.
And all clergy should have guns! Problem solved!
And those nuns need to start wearing habits again so they can hide their semi-automatics!

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- Farwalker
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 7:38am
  More law abiding private citizens should be carring firearms. PROBLEM SOLVED.
  But places like Rhode Island make it pretty much impossible.
  Strange how the region of our country where our Freedom was founded is where it is disapearing the fastest……actually it isn’t funny at all.
  NRA: member since 12/22/2012 (about time)
  
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- G-WHIZ
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 9:21am
  Oh, yea! The shooter was killed….way-less TAXDOLLARS-spent with state-lawsuits and payoffs and detentions and infinite contunances!! And donna forget the 2-sheff-meals-a-day, aircond-cells, communical-sex-visits, cable-tv-with-tevo, a gym, full law-libarry, etc..etc..etc…..tax$$…tax$$…tax$$… … .
  
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- miljr11
  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 9:26am
  Our pastor and both associate pastors have CHLs. I was in the same class. We literally have at least 2 sentinals every Sunday. Not to mention any on call law enforcement in the congregation that day.
  It is a good idea to have the security since “crazy” is unpredictable. We originally did it toprotect the tithes and offerings.
  
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purecolorartist
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 11:30pm
Is he a member of the NRA?

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- Uechi
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 7:51am
  More likely a member of your party comrade
  
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- loriann12
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:37am
  Was the man being held (in the last sentence) the shooter? I got a bit lost. If so, funny how he’s a teacher….I’m not sure now that I want commie teachers (read members of the union) having guns around my kid…of course, this could be the intent. I’m so glad I’m homeschooling.
  
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- right field
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 12:42pm
  If Romney had won the election, all these killings would be being blamed on him and the Tea Party. The MSM is to blame for constantly telling lies, coving up the truth and keeping the useful idiots in their constant state of ignorance.
  As long as our ‘so-called’ Commander In Chief is a liar and the MSM protects him, we will continue to decline as a society. Fear and Hate are the preferred ‘weapons’ of the Democrat Party and the MSM.
  
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- Aaronman
  Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:47am
  hitler blamed the Zionists too. He’s dead.
  
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sbenard
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 9:46pm
I find it amusing that Satan inspires one of servants to slaughter their fellow citizens, while he inspires his other servants with thoughts of tyranny as the antidote. He wins both going and coming!

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- Keatonc33
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 9:49pm
  I think its amusing that we have a REAL problem concerning gun violence in america and you are blaming satan.
  
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- Gorp
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 10:24pm
  I find it amazing that you are calling it gun violence and not person violence. NOT ONE of my guns has ever committed violence.
  
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- Merry52277
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 10:35pm
  Hey Keaton, the fact that you don’t think satan is behind most of the evil in the world is anything but amusing. The greatest advantage that satan has is that he has convinced so many people that he doesn’t exist.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 11:16pm
  I guess it’s just easier to blame it on something you can’t prove (Satan) or people who you don’t actually know (marauding hoards of phantom American Communists). I guess we can’t really blame the shooter, then. It really was just the evil work of Satan using him as a pawn. Case closed, I guess. That was easy and so, so simple! Good thing we don’t have to give ourselves a good hard look in the mirror and see what is going on in our complicated society.
  
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- SGT Rock
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 1:53am
  If you outlaw guns only the bad guys have them. I speak from experience of growing up in Chicago when no-one could own a gun. Lots of people were still gunned down. Stupid ********, you cannot legislate safety. When I lived in Montana there was a large amount of guns and most folks had one on them most the time, very low crime. So more armed citizens equals less crime. Compare the crime stats of a western town during the wild west days with New York of the same year and statistically the wild west was safer, I know bugs you ******** that citizens can actually keep themselves safe, it violates your idea of a nanny/totalitarian system. The police are always minutes away when seconds count.
  
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- DrFreedom
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 2:55am
  hey sgt, this time they weren’t just min away but rather ALOT LONGER THEN THAT!!! This idiot shot multple people in multple places, barny fife n the boys didnt even make to the first 911 call before the idiot made it across town and shot others standing in their driveway, obviously they buy the libral bs that the cops will protect n serve…..
  
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Tachy320
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:23pm
Easy There Jane, please. And yes I would be ready. I am not bashing the place where you live or the good people like yourself. Please don’t take what I said as someone who is better than you or the other folks where you live. But I believe that if evil does cross my path, it will lose. I feel strongly about protecting my family and others where I am at that time.

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- Tachy320
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 9:29pm
  @JeanR – I was very insensitive about what happened in your area. I didn’t mean to come off as a know it all and this is what I would do attitude. My prayers are with those folks and their families. Please forgive my arrogance. And apologies for calling you Jane.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 11:19pm
  It’s okay. Jean isn’t really my name either, so no worries. But I can sit here and call you a RWNJ and you can sit there and call me a left-wing Communist. But we have to realize there are deep and very complicated problems in our society that touch us all. And just as I am certain you don’t have all the answers, I am just as certain that I don’t either. This last week has made me feel broken…Not even angry, just broken. Americans have this ability to work together when it really counts…I just hope all sides realize when that moment is.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 12:23am
  And I, as well, apologize for being so snarky. I am sure you would stand up for what is right, but this just happened so quickly…I don’t know if anybody could have prevented it.
  
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skippy6
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:10pm
Just renewed my CCL today, hopefully I’ll have it for another five years..Or until the furor unleashes his jackboots upon the citizens….Oh wait, he’s already doing that……NDAA/patriotact/homeland security….

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- Deuteronomy22
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 1:36am
  No CCL needed here in Arizona and can you believe we’re not gunning each other down. I do notice people tend to behave more while driving. No idea who may be packing. Also I have been eyed up while stopping for gas, given hard looks by punks etc. in some low income neighborhoods and then I’m open carry. You should see their expressions change when they see I’m armed.
  
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Tachy320
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:08pm
@Encicom- We are not arming anyone. Its theyre own choice to be armed or not. This is not yet a communist country that you dream about. It just should be allowed for anyone to protect themselves and others. Even you. Except I don’t believe you have the nuts to protect anyone. You would just roll over and die along with your family waiting for the cops to show up. Is that how you would go out? Not me or my family. They know they are safe. I carry all the time and haven’t been tempted to shoot anyone yet just because I am having a bad day. And if I am having a bad day, I don’t carry.
You come onto these sites and offer a lot of criticism and name calling but offer up no solutions. Why do you even come on here? You don’t agree with anything you read and I am guessing you don’t agree with The Blaze at all. Go find something else to do or stay on and offer some solutions to the problems we as a country face.

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Canada_Goose
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:07pm
Below is a quote from Bryan Fischer, Director of Issues Analysis for the American Family Association on the Newtown tragedy. I’ve substituted the words “public school” or “school” with church or churches and “students” or “children” with church goers.

Just to apply the same logic to this story.

“The question is going to come up, where was God?,” Fischer said. “I thought God cared about the churchgoers. God protects the churchgoers. Where was God when all this went down. Here’s the bottom line, God is not going to go where he is not wanted.

“….we have spent 50 years telling God to get lost, telling God we do not want you in our churches, we don’t want to pray to you in our churches, we do not want to pray to you before football games, we don’t want to pray to you at graduations, we don’t want anybody talking about you in a graduation.

…” We’ve kicked God out of our church system. And I think God would say to us, ‘Hey, I’ll be glad to protect your church goers, but you’ve got to invite me back into your world first. I’m not going to go where I’m not wanted. I am a gentlemen.”

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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:41pm
Here is Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America saying on video what we all see happening and what 0 is:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/gun-owners-of-america-larry-pratt-obama-is-a-communist-dictator/

Hear what he says 0 has already done and how 0 can deal an executive order blow to stores….because 0 is doing whatever 0 wants and NO ONE has the guts to stop him. Is ALL of Congress deaf, dumb and blind or completely in denial?

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Stelex
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:39pm
I have no doubt that current events are due to lib/prog policy. Progs are in charge of our kids, K thru college. Then they hit the real world and pop. The prog utopia will never be, it can’t exist and they groom these kids to expect it, a few cannot handle the truth and go off. Mental illness is their MO, as well as PC…..used in conjunction they target people whom are ready to pop. A nudge here, a nudge there. You have Newtown. Manipulation is the name of the game.

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- Stelex
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:48pm
  On a side note, just look at pavlov’s dogs all over the country. I passed a school bus today, as I do every day and it had a police car following it. I went to several gun stores today and good god, magazine prices have doubled, the shelves are almost empty. They prey on fear, fear of our children, fear at losing our rights, they just keep pitting one fear after the other. How about we turn the tables……Its time to make them fear, stop paying taxes, get online and email the heck out of every rep or senator. Stop being quiet every where but here………ranting here does nothing, nothing. Take action we are being caged.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:52pm
  Sorry but you are just wrong. I live here. This is about as red of a county as you will find anywhere outside of Texas. Schools included.
  
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- Paulhgreenbay
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:56pm
  Exactly…..we are seeing the end product of these past few progressive generations. Progressive enslavement is a self fulfilling prophecy with it’s false promises.
  
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jessieH
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:16pm
Open-carry is the only answer.

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- Tachy320
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:40pm
  Absolutely correct. This would not have happened at my church or in my driveway.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:48pm
  Tachy? Is that you, John Rambo? This is central rural PA. It’s nearly against the law to not own multiple firearms. But yes, you would have been ready for a lunatic driving down the road randomly shooting at people.
  
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- charles116
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 12:01am
  And dance hall girls!
  
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- ScratInTheHat
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 3:50am
  @Jeanr
  The gunman then shot two men in the driveway of a home after a confrontation at a stop sign, authorities said.
  Did you read the story? After the altercation every gunner I know would be ready to kill this perp as soon as he continued aggression. You don’t know what you are talking about and that IS the problem!
  
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:15pm
@CATTY: Progressivism is a mental disorder no FREEDOM for YOU. But you’re “catty” so you probably like having a collar around your neck…you know, for the fleas. :)

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- catty
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:53pm
  how so very clever…
  I haven’t had one single FREEDOM taken away from me. Why is everyone screaming about freedom? What can’t you do that you did 4 years ago?
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:59pm
  CATTY: Liberals don’t have their freedoms taken away, the voluntarily give them up by voting for morons who have no intellectual capacity to understand what they are doing. I feel for you.
  
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- catty
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:10pm
  I knew you couldn’t come up with anything
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:11pm
  Fish – Afraid to answer the question? What freedoms taken away/given up are gone?
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:42pm
  SIMPLETON: You and others of your same mindset have asked that same question on different story strings repeatedly and you have received well reasoned, thoughtful and articulate answers from various Blazers. You have either ignored previous responses to the same question or you’re simply too naive to understand. Regardless, I’m not going to give you yet another list. I’m sure you have no means to understand, but I will provide you with one prime example and that is the atrocity we call Obamacare. If you can’t understand the freedoms and liberties that single act has destroyed or will destroy when fully implemented, there is no hope for you.
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 9:12pm
  SIMPLETON or CATTY: Please take my obvious example, Obamacare. Can you sincerely argue this single act has not eroded freedom or will not eventually erode freedom on a scale never before seen? Biden didn’t say “This is a big f’ing deal” for nothing. Please tell me how I’m wrong. Please.
  
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- KEELHAULUM
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 9:21pm
  @Catty who said “I haven’t had one single FREEDOM taken away from me.” No one is blinder than he who will not see.
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 11:32pm
  @catty,
  Everytime a state uses tax money to pay for an illegal alien your rights are abridged.
  When votes are cast illegally because there is no I’d law your rights are abridged
  When NSA or FBI or CIA record your dell conversations or emails your right to privacy has been attacked
  When you pay capital gains taxes, your right motto be unfairly taxed is violated ( double taxation, see tea party… 1770s)
  When you are not allowed to sing Christmas carols or pray in school your personal right to free speech has been ignored.
  When you aren’t allowed a firearm in Chicago, the 2nd amendment is under attack.
  
  I could go on…
  What amuses me is the ScReAmInG about rights when G dub and congress arranged the patriot act… Intelligence gathering on us citizens is worse now and… Crickets.
  
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TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:06pm
Today in America about 4,000 babies were murdered in the womb of their mothers.

For some it went like this: “The day of the abortion, the abortionist attaches tubing to a suction machine, and inserts the tubing into the uterus. The suction created by the vacuum pulls the unborn baby’s body apart and detaches the placenta from the wall of the uterus, sucking the fetal parts and placenta into a collection bottle.”

For others it was: “…the abortionist slides his hand up the baby’s back and hooks his fingers over the shoulders of the baby. Then, a pair of scissors is inserted into the base of the skull to create an opening. Removing the scissors, he inserts a suction catheter into the opening, and suctions out the skull contents.10 Minus the brains, the skull decompresses, and is easy to remove. Finally, the abortionist removes the placenta with forceps and scrapes the uterine walls with a suction curette.”

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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:23pm
  boozed up drivers kill 1300 kids a year…….
  
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- TSUNAMI_22
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 2:59am
  Abortion doctors murder 2600 infants per day. 50 million in the past 30 years……and when ObamaCare kicks in, we’ll be subsidizing it – even those against abortion.
  
  Makes me sick.
  
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DonaldH
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:05pm
Just as every liberal reveled at the death of each American Serviceman KIA’d under the Bush administration they equally pray for as many crazed gunmen to kill the innocent over this holiday season…..

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- jeanr
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:46pm
  Sorry but you are just wrong. I live here. This is about as red of a county as you will find anywhere outside of Texas. Schools included.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:46pm
  Yes. I am really enjoying seeing my neighbors scared, confused, and heartbroken. Oh joyous day.
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:00pm
The totalitarian freaks that currently reside in the oval office combined with a candyass congress will cook up more laws to make us 100% safe,nobody will die from a gunshot wound at least not from a private citizen. The government on the other hand will be more than happy to give you a dirt nap,right after all the firearms have been confiscated. Progressives will never stop their assault on the 2nd amendment just look what they did with socialized medicine,they started that assault a century ago and the constitution rapers forced it on us.If they manage to repeal the 2nd we’re finished because it’s been proven throughout history,when a government disarms the citizenry they have a major loss in population.

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brtmchl30
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:52pm
This is happening everyday here in Chicago, I guess now it will be news

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- Wisdom7
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:37pm
  The media is trying to push gun control so of course it will be in national news.
  
  Yet, in other news this week, a man was fatally stabbed to death in San Jose today.
  
  A woman in Burnsville, Minnesota stabbed her husband and said she wished she had been the shooter in Connecticut.
  
  Another woman in Ionia, Iowa stabbed her husband multiple times trying to kill him.
  
  A female cab driver in Kansas City was stabbed multiple times and had her cab stolen.
  
  A 20 year old man in Toledo was stabbed to death.
  
  A 23 year old male in Northlake, Illinois choked and stabbed his ex-girlfriend to death.
  
  In San Diego a man fatally stabbed a woman and her 8 year old child.
  
  In Detroit, Michigan a 33 year old man was stabbed to death for standing too close to the attacker.
  
  In Missoula a man stabbed another man in the face.
  
  I could go on, but you won’t hear about these because no one is trying to ban knives. If they were, I could hear the arguments now…”that type of knife is too long and deadly looking” or “that knife is too easily concealed” or “that knife has serrated edges and looks more deadly so why do you need it?”.
  
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- chips1
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:56pm
  BRT;
  Obama sings everyday, “Chicago, My Kind of Town”.
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 11:47pm
  Chicago WON’T be mentioned… They can’t make an example where their policies have demonstrably failed… It confuses the sheeple when you try to advance your point with so transparent a lie.
  
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Schitzoid_Avenger
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:41pm
Not to diminish the deaths of innocent people, but two weeks ago, this would have been barely a blip on the news reel.

The biggest tragedy will be giving up our freedoms for a false sense of security. The 2nd Amendment is the Holy Grail for progressives. Do not let them have it.

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- cemerius
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:50pm
  It’s a shame BUT most “Americans” i.e. “zombie Obama voters” will gladly give up their Rights for more in “security”……too dumb to know better and too dumb to care! Where is Paul Revere when WE the People need him?
  
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- DonaldH
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:08pm
  Cemerius
  Obama zombies don’t see themselves giving up their freedoms– they see it as them disarming YOU and me so they can TAKE our freedoms….
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:09pm
  I guess we should arm priests and nuns also?
  
  The fringe right’s worship of the mistranslation of the 2nd Amendment is drowning America in blood. Its time to disarm the fringe right, they are not mentally stable enough to own weapons.
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:46pm
  Arm priests and nuns? Absolutely!
  
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- skippy6
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:57pm
  @Encinom Right of the people to bear arms…..Who are the people? So what does WE THE PEOPLE mean? If any of WE THE PEOPLE want to carry so be it..You never know, they may save your life from the criminally insane….Merry Christmas and a wonderful new year……
  
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- starman70
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:06pm
  The people of Russia gave up their rights for security, the people of Gremany gave up their rights for security, the people of China gave up their rights for security, the people of North Korea gave up their rights for security. Where did it get them? Dictatorships, mass murders – - – millions dead! Is this what we want for America? I hope not.
  
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- chips1
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:08pm
  Our Priest is armed. He also runs the local range and has trophys in a glass case. Many of our kids have been trained by him.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:19pm
  Skippy you forgot the part about a WELL REGULATED MILITIA. So unless you are in a Militia, you have no right to own any guns.
  
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- DEFCON4
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:57pm
  @encinom, You don’t have a clue about the interpretation of the 2nd. Ammendment.
  “Well-Regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and
  training of a militia. And, to maintain this militia an armed citizenry is necessary.
  Consequently, the citizens need to be allowed to “keep and bear arms”.
  
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- skippy6
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 9:00pm
  @Encimon Notice it says WELL regulated militia….Militia means able bodied sane people like the 99 percent of people on this site that are unlike Obama’s union thugs…….
  
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- Metallicat
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 10:50pm
  @encinomom
  You are too stupid to see the fault in your own logic. Regulated by who? the very tyrants our forefathers wrote the second amendment to protect us from? A well regulated militia means a well equipped militia to the standards of the day. and for us to be equipped to meet the standards of the day,to secure our liberty,our rights to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed. read something from the same time period,and you will see the term “regulated” does not imply government oversight. you often will see someone described as “well regulated in the fashions of the day”. that does not mean the government told them what to wear,but that they were wearing the most modern fashions of the day,or what was en vogue during that time period. well regulated in the second amendment implies that Americans are guaranteed access to the same modern weaponry of the day,that could potentially be used against the population to rob us of liberty,and therefore our rights to keep such weapons shall not be infringed. your logic implies that the second amendment contradicts itself by saying that even though our rights to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,it will be regulated by “someone”,who could very well be the tyrants we need the second amendment to protect us from.
  
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- Metallicat
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 10:56pm
  @Encinomom
  Every freedom loving American is considered to be a militiaman in the defense of liberty. We would not have won our liberty if it wasnt for the armed citizen when we had no standing army capable of securing our freedom from England. Our Army does not prevent invasion,our armed populace does.
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 11:52pm
  By the syntax, regulating the militia… Keeping the militia under control, and so the government, falls to the people.
  
  Oh, and militia isn’t defined… if you want the militia to be the only ones armed, we need only volunteer ourselves… And then it should by rights be the government providing my modern sporting rifle with all that extra tax money coming in.
  
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- DrFreedom
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 3:23am
  @encino ok libs/dems/& anyone else using this stupid argument abt militia
  “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
  — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
  Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
  
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- LIBSALWAYSLIE
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 11:01am
  ENCINOM, you cant lie about the constitution and get away with it you pathetic loser. It does NOT say only a militia can have guns, it says “the people”. You never seem to have the right answer, just your pathetic leftist insanity. In your twisted world, fat people should blame spoons. Your mind is closed so tight, you’ll never see the truth.
  
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- LIBSALWAYSLIE
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 11:11am
  ENCINOM is hopeless. He’ll NEVER see the truth. He’ll NEVER even consider another point of view. He gets his kicks by posting offensive disgusting lies. He’ll be wrong on everything til the day he dies. He must have been dropped on his head as a baby, over and over and over….
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 11:35am
  We must not be too hard on ENCINOM, he is a shill for the left, and does hand deliver all the left wing talking points, even he knows the rights of the constitution were written for the people, to give us rights, not the other way around, to give the government rights, yeah like they needed a write a right to give the govenment the right to bear arms…….. nice try though…….Keep talking Encinom I like to hear what you fools have to say…..
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 7:55pm
  Chief Justice Burger, also understood the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. “We see that the need for a state militia was the predicate of the ‘right’ guaranteed; in short, it was declared “necessary” in order to have a state military force to protect the security of the state. That Second Amendment clause must be read as though the word ‘because’ was the opening word of the guarantee. Today, of course, the ‘state militia’ serves a very different purpose. A huge national defense establishment has taken over the role of the militia of 200 years ago. ” http://www.guncite.com/burger.html
  
  Filled with nothing more than the lies of the gun maker’s lobby, the typical Beckerhead, unable to think for himself can only repeat the slogans head around the racist, miltia compounds.
  
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RitafromPA
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:34pm
I live about 20 minues from these shootings in Altoona. Very frightening to think I may know some of the people involved. These shootngs are not the result of gun owners but of people with twisted minds full of anger and hate. God bless those who are suffering from the shooter’s actions and God keep us from incidents like this being the new norm.

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kickagrandma
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:30pm
Willing to bet the set up is entirely by the leftist communists. We will see more of these.

Be on alert. Film the suckers and get I.D.

GUARANTEE you they will have been hired!

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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:41pm
  Well midnight will be here shortly. The damn lunacy over the Mayan calendar will be nigh finished. The anxiety over the Syria /World War and Fiscal Cliff /taxes & debt will not be.
  
  Stories like these are sucking all the oxygen out of following events in all fields of endeavor.
  
  If obama gets nothing done by March 31st he will be a lame duck. World events will overtake him & he will look like a deer in the head lights.
  
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- burnteye86
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:55pm
  You got that right. Wayne LaPierre really pissed off the press today so you can bet they’re going to look under every rock and beat every bush for a shooting story to saturate the news with now.
  
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- catty
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:04pm
  Paranoia is a mental disorder. No gun for you!
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:12pm
  burnteye86
  
  The Fiscal Cliff, Syria & Christmas Season should be dominating the news. I fear you are right. They will saturate the media with shooting stories.
  
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- jeanr
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:55pm
  So Communists are infiltrating the backroads of rural bible-thumping, gun-clinging, redneck Blair County PA? Yep, makes total sense.
  
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:27pm
This is perfect. An armed elementary SCHOOL TEACHER?

How F’ing convenient could this be to use against the NRA’s suggestion to arm teachers in schools.

See how this works? If the NRA would have suggested that priests or doctors should be armed to protect their flock or their patients…a priest or a doctor would be the next one to go nuts to fulfill the agenda.

First they nudge….then they push. And yet, the sheep are still in denial.

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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:26pm
It is a sad silly people that assume everything in life is just perfectly safe. To assume that no one wioll ever attack and kill you or that when you turn on your car ignition that you wont be killed in a car wreck ten minutes later

Well folks guess what. Soon the 7 year tribulation is gonna start and BILLIONS will die as a direct result of Gods wrath. You delusions are about to be destroyed

Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4

Believe and be saved

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- ChiefGeorge
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:57pm
  Everything is pointing in this direction.
  
  An America destroyed and weakened from within by corruption of the soul is now easy pickings for the vultures circling above…i.e. China and Russia. Once America is no longer able to defy its government at home nor rally around it in a crisis then we as a republic are finished.
  
  We are divided nearly down the middle and those leftists screaming for 2nd ammendment to be undone will win at the end of the day. Then it will begin.
  
  The goal is for these NWO players to invite an attack from abroad against the US by purposely positioning America as the protagonist abroad. Our enemies are lining up against us and ready to strike. Make no mistake this is what is happening out there.
  
  Then whats left of NATO and the US will rally together to destroy both China and Russia….we are in the advance steps of WW3.
  
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- macpappy
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:10pm
  Or….it’s just a random crime by an irritated Christian and has nothing to do with the end of the world.
  
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- Greenwood
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:20pm
  THERATUR………..”Soon the 7 year tribulation is gonna start and BILLIONS will die as a direct result of Gods wrath.
  
  I think you confuse “The Great Tribulation” with “Armageddon” or the war of the great day of God the Almighty.” Rev. 16: 14,16
  
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Al J Zira
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:25pm
Oh God, here we go.

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- chips1
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 8:20pm
  Oh Alla. ThereYOU go!!
  
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neverending
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:25pm
So another yellow bellied coward found more victims. Fear we have just been seeing the tip of the iceberg. Good news that some churches already have some armed members.

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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:47pm
  Mine does – and my sainted 70 yr old mother’s Bible cover has a place for her gun….Hint to anyone who chooses to attack us – you will find your body riddled with bullets from many CCP holders…..
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on December 21, 2012 at 7:50pm
  Brings a whole new concept for coming to church to meet your maker.
  
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- neverending
  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 12:10am
  @KAYDEEBEAU – yep I can relate to that.
  
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Frederick_Douglass_Republican
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:23pm
Oweblamer should go down in history as the berserk murderer president. I only see things getting worse when I look at economic figures and the despair that is blanketing this land.

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I SPY
Posted on December 21, 2012 at 6:22pm
Music to liberal losers ears.

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