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• Shilohbloo

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:46pm

  There are clearly many who take a bit from here and a bit from there, mix in much spin, and think they know what they are talking about. The only way to know is from the actual Bible, itself. And you can not understand w/out reading the whole thing, and not taking words and meanings out of original context.

  While the word “rapture” is not in the Bible, there are definite statements, over and over, of His people being caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. The Latin translation Bible has the word rapturas, which is where we get our English word rapture. And the word rapturas comes from the Greek word harpozo, which is mentioned 13 times in the New Testament. Harpozo means to take forceably, to snatch, or to catch up. And there are at least three accounts of people who have already been raptured: Enoch (Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5); Elijah (2 Kings 2:11); and Phillp, who was not raptured upwards, but sideways (Acts 8:39-40)… not to mention Jesus Christ, Himself (Acts 1:9-11). And there has already been a prototype, so to speak, to all that is to happen, relayed in Matthew 27: 51-53.

  So, I do suggest you take a real good look at the complete Scriptures – not just bits and pieces – and use a reliable study source from those who have made it their life’s work to understand and gain true wisdom from its original meanings, as was given to them by the Lord, Himself, Jesus our Christ, Lord and Savior. God bless, merry Christmas, and good day

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  • Becks_Art_Obama_In_PeePee

    Posted on December 24, 2012 at 6:05am

    “Some may wonder how the Christian market will react to a more mainstream actor starring in the film …”

    And “the rapture” seems to be a big part of that. Here’s the way to handle that:

    Not a Salvation Issue
    The timing of the rapture seems to be the most controversial of all prophecy teachings. However, whether it will occur before, during, or after the tribulation has no bearing on your salvation. God can come for any one of us at any time. Jesus said in Matthew 24, “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.” Matthew 24:42-43
    …
    The Bible says, “Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men” (2 Corinthians 5:11). “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1 Peter 4:18) …. it is time for us to make sure that our lives are in line with all the teachings of God’s Word. If ever there were a time to walk closely to God, this is the time, as we see the day of the Lord drawing near.
    “Endtime Ministries – When is the Rapture?”
    http://www.endtime.com/urgent-questions/when-is-the-rapture/

    There’s lots more YOU NEED TO KNOW:
    “Endtime Ministries – Prophecy in the news”
    http://www.endtime.com/prophecy-news/

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• am123

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:42pm

  The pre-tribulation rapture theory is a lie from the pit of hell. It is a doctrine of demons that is in Satan’s best interest for so-called Christians to believe in it.

  The rapture does not take place BEFORE the tribulation. The rapture occurs at the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. The SECOND COMING is the THIRD WOE, which is at the end of the age—the Second Coming IS the end of the age!

  Concerning the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to not let any man deceive you in any way, for that day (the rapture) will not come until there comes a falling away FIRST and then the Antichrist is revealed. So Paul said that the Antichrist will come first and then the Day of Jesus Christ, or rapture, comes after that. Those who teach about a pre-tribulation rapture teach that the rapture comes first and then the Antichrist comes—which is the exact opposite of the order of events that Paul teaches! Whom shall we believe then, the Apostle Paul or these so-called teachers of the Word?

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  • am123

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:47pm

    The body of Christ should be in boot camp bracing and strengthening themselves in the LORD, preparing for all out spiritual war. But instead, through doctrines of demons, the sheep have been misled into thinking that they won’t be here during this time. They think the call for patient endurance and faithfulness is not for them. How wrong they are! Is the present day church ready for martyrdom? No, they are not! The sheep are waiting to be raptured out of here and, like the teachers who have mislead them, they are oblivious to the sounds of war in the heavenlies. If they remain in that state, they will be like sitting ducks for the hordes of hell to take out. They will be cannon fodder for the Devil and his forces when soon all hell literally breaks loose. They are not ready to stand in their faith against the ravages of the beast. They need to cut out this nonsense of thinking they won’t be here and run—not walk, but run for cover in the shadow of His wings if they expect to endure until the end, whether the end for them is martyrdom or the Second Coming.

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  • worldwatcher

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 7:17pm

    We don’t know if the Rapture will be pre-tribulation or post tribulation. What we do know from 2nd Thessalonians is that is that it will happen. When Egypt was pounded by the 10 plagues, the Bible states that not one of the Hebrew children was affected. “The Lord knows those that are His.” That’s from the book of James.

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  • am123

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 7:51pm

    @WorldWatcher,
    Those who know the Word of God know that a pre-tribulation rapture is not in the Bible. Those who follow Jesus know that He prayed that the Father DOESN’T take us out of the world (see John 17:15). Those who teach and preach a pre-tribulation rapture are doing the bidding of the Evil One.

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  • Blitz

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 9:20pm

    Amen. I threw this movie out when I began to investigate the word. I believe it’s setting people up for the “instead of christ” and people who don’t know the word will fall all over themselves running to the wrong horse.

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  • The-Patriot

    Posted on December 24, 2012 at 2:15pm

    You’re Wrong AM123. Read the Bible.

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  • vaman

    Posted on December 28, 2012 at 9:30am

    Are men with a big net chasing you around trying to get a straight jackon on you.

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• mikenleeds

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:31pm

  they are no such thing as a rapture in the bible , The origin of this doctrine comes from an early Catholic Church bishop named Eusebius of Caesarea. Eusebius mistranslated portions of the works of an earlier church father named Irenaeus, Bishop of Lugdunum who wrote a large work called “Against Heresies”

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• Chuck Troupe

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:05pm

  Most off you agree that the word “rapture” does not appear anywhere in the Bible … as if that comment were supposed to be some kind of evidence to negate the truth of it. Rapture is simply a theological term that describes a Biblical truth. We don’t find the words, Trinity and Millennium in the Bible either, but they are used all the time and ALL those who truly believe understand and recognize their meaning. The verse in 1st Thessalonians employs the word harpazo (in the Greek text) and it means to be snatched away suddenly, or “caught up” (as John was in the Revelation). Jesus was not referring to the rapture when He told of the ones taken and the others left. But He WAS referring to the rapture when He told His disciples that He would come again (not to set up His kingdom) but to receive them unto Himself, so that where He is, there they might be also. Pre, Mid, or Post is not so important as the fact of the rapture being a real, actual even that WILL take place … just as the Scriptures affirm. If you don’t like the word, “rapture” then just say “harpazo” … it means the exact same thing. Most of you self proclaimed experts talk about Leviticus as if you had no clue as to the difference between the Old Covenant and the New … or the difference between the Law and Grace. A little girl with a fever had nothing to do with establishing the doctrine of the rapture, any more than your mindless flatulence can destroy it.

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• Robert Hawk

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 12:48pm

  Another rapture movie? When are real Christians ever going to understand …. there is no rapture written anywhere in all the biblical texts. Those people who think they are going to be raptured out, might want to actually read Ezekiel 13 starting about verse 17. And yes I know all about the claim by the rapture gang concerning 1 Thessalonians 4:17. I also know the Greek word used there is “aer” (109), which means respire, and not sky which is ouranos (3772) as in Matthew 16:3. Further Revelation 20 states Christ and our Father come here, we don’t go to a place in the sky at that time.
  The rapture is false doctrine… I suggest you stay away from it

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  • remanlove

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 12:59pm

    Mr. Hawk, I would like to say that I agree with you in your conclusion concerning the “rapture”, yet if you were willing to find one verse in the Bible that may support your position, then surely you may find those that support the gathering of the dead in Christ followed by those still remaining alive to be with God in the heavens forever. Nowhere in any interpretation of the Bible does it state that God will live on earth along with us. It states that Christ will return to earth to claim the world for his Father. After which the earth will be renewed and those humans remaining alive after God’s day of Wrath will reign with Christ on earth for a thousand years. The word rapture does not appear in the Bible, you are correct, yet so small minded to excuse the entire concept. I pray that if you are a Christian, God reveals to you his entire plan for what many have termed the “rapture” and what will happen during the 21 judgements God will bring on the people of this world and the earth itself. God bless and have a great coming year.

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  • eveh

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 1:29pm

    We shall be caught up “at the last trumpet”……easy enough to understand. Now figure out when the last trumphet will sound and you will know the truth. :::;

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  • Ming The Merciless

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 1:51pm

    I think you meant to say ‘secret rapture’ – there is no Biblical support for a ‘secret rapture’. The bible says that when Christ comes – every eye shall see Him. There’s no secret there.

    The Left Behind movies perpetuates the ‘secret rapture’ false doctrine.

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  • Shilohbloo

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:35pm

    Dear Robert, while the word “rapture” is not in the Bible, there are definite statements, over and over, of His people being caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

    The Latin translation Bible has the word rapturas, which is where we get our English word rapture. And the word rapturas comes from the Greek word harpozo, which is mentioned 13 times in the New Testament. Harpozo means to take forceably, to snatch, or to catch up. And there are at least three accounts of people who have already been raptured: Enoch (Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5); Elijah (2 Kings 2:11); and Phillp, who was not raptured upwards, but sideways (Acts 8:39-40)… not to mention Jesus Christ, Himself (Acts 1:9-11). And there has already been a prototype, so to speak, to all that is to happen, relayed in Matthew 27: 51-53).

    So, I do suggest you take a real good look at the complete Scriptures – not just bits and pieces – and use a reliable study source from those who have made it their life’s work to understand and gain true wisdom from its original meanings, as was given to them by the Lord, Himself, Jesus our Christ, Lord and Savior. God bless, merry Christmas, and good day to you sir.

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• Stacyce

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 12:30pm

  Being a Christian I am excited they are bringing the book of revelation back to the screen, however, I’m worried more people will fall for the rapture con, and be complacent when the events unfold. I do believe us Christians will have jobs to do, & God will use us as he sees fit during those times, but I fear masses of well meaning Christians will be in hiding & staring at the sky!

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• gapch12

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 11:59am

  I see nothing wrong here as long as the revision stays true to the material.

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• mcwilson40

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 11:56am

  For a more in depth look at what is really going on in the Spiritual world, check out this site: Http://www.thegodprinciplebook.com

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• tenndave

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 11:55am

  My point about the KJV is that King James had a purpose in mind for the translation and regardless of the scholars, they had to follow that pretext which in itself is inaccurate concerning divine monarchy. Now in reference to the verse in Timothy that all scripture is the word of God, I believe that too but you do realize that that was written before we had THE BIBLE. Until Constantine ordered the council of Nicea all the books in the bible were separate books dispersed over the middle east. Add to the fact that the church leaders of the time attended that conference and had great disagreements on what books to put in and leave out. Mary Magdalene never had a chance because she was a woman, yet was probably closer to Jesus than anyone. Thomas was left out, and Revelations was a huge debate. Christians sometime think that The Bible has always existed as it is today, but that is not true. Now does that mean the Bible is not true. NO!
  As to the Law, The Ten Commandments were given to Moses by GOD. But you also can make the same argument about the whole book of Leviticus. So for convenience we quote what we want from Leviticus outside the Ten Commandments for many of our issues but fail to follow it all. People it can’t be that way and my point is I believe Christ referred to The Ten Commandments when he said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. I don’t believe he was talking about the entire book of Leviticus. So be careful with how you quote Leviticus.

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  • Dan_o

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:22pm

    Thanks for clarifying.

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  • valiant1776

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 9:10pm

    Jesus kept the whole Law of God, and fulfilled the Old Covenant.

    “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

    “Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men.”

    “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

    “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”

    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

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  • The-Patriot

    Posted on December 24, 2012 at 2:19pm

    You need to dig deeper.

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• mcwilson40

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 11:55am

  Beating a dead horse once again. Firstly, it must be understood that Tim LaHaye’s “Left Behind” series is based upon a 19th century doctrine. The origin of this doctrine comes from an early Catholic Church bishop named Eusebius of Caesarea. Eusebius mistranslated portions of the works of an earlier church father named Irenaeus, Bishop of Lugdunum who wrote a large work called “Against Heresies”. In this work, Irenaeus refers to the Apostle John. He makes mention that he believed that the Apostle, the author of the Apocalypse, was still alive in the last year of the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian (96 AD). Eusebius, who was working in Latin, was not familiar with the Greek that Irenaeus wrote in and failed to understand the what was being said. Eusebius translated that passage to read, “John, wrote the Apocalypse in the last year of the reign of Emperor Domitian.” Because of that error, the Book of Revelation was thought to have been written 30 years later than it actually was.

  Secondly the “Rapture” is no where present in the Bible – or any other extra-canonical writing. It was a concept that had been bandied about in Northern Ireland in small churches in the 1830s. One young girl, (Margaret or May McDonald, I believe) took sick and in her feverish delirium, repeated this two-fold return of Jesus Christ. Word spread and reached the ears of a former Plymouth Brethren pastor named John Nelson Darby who had just conceptualized the theory of Dispensation. The rest is

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• BizzyKim2u

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 11:15am

  There is one body, one faith, one baptism. Although we have different denominations, we all tend to agree on the essentials. I don’t believe it is important for Christians to agree on everything but matters pertaining to salvation. The Word tells us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. The commandments boil down to two–love the LORD your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. Those that are truly in the body of Christ will do so regardless of denomination and those that aren’t will not. Calling yourself a Christian, follower of Christ or Jesus Freak does not save you or bring authenticity to your faith. Humbling yourself before the LORD and receiving forgiveness by faith does. Walking in obedience to His commandments is the fruit of a changed man. Fruit takes time to develop and ripen. I am so thankful for HIS grace and mercy because without that I would still be what I was. As to the actors, I couldn’t care less. In fact, I hope that through the movie they would come to know their Creator. Everyone who *knows* the LORD understands that these movies are NOT scripture. But they can be a tool to reach the lost.

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• eadamico70

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 10:18am

  I think it’s good they’re pulling in more noticeable actors; more people to get the message. There is nothing wrong w/that.
  Also, doesn’t Jesus talk about the Rapture? Two men on a hill, one man is left standing? That’s what I was always taught growing up, not that it was a dream from a girl. That’s a new one. God also says not to worry about the future but to prepare and be ready, but let Him worry about what is to come. It is up to us to minister to as many people as we can and get His message out there.
  I think this is one of those ways.
  Merry Christmas!!

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  • MachZ

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 11:17am

    Matthew 13:30,37-43
    30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

    37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

    …”First”…. “First, gather together the tares”! I just don’t understand how people can believe there is a so called “rapture”, which is based on a single verse and usually taken out of order (i.e. pre-trib) when it seems pretty clear to me the non-elect are the ones that are gathered by the angels.

    I like when Christians are able to put out movies… but this one… this one is very dangerous. Simply put; pre-tribulation rapture, and rapture period, are not supported in th

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• piper60

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 8:39am

  I don’t know if I’d like Nicholas Cage in the lead. I have never been brave enough to read the books or see the old films anyway.

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• betterpart

  Posted on December 23, 2012 at 4:38am

  There are those who always want high-drama, even in the time of the end. Those stupid books can kiss my ‘left behind’.

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• welloddyfriggindah

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:51pm

  After looking over many comments here I had to remind myself what the story was about.
  I’d love to wrong, but I believe Christians will be here through a lot of tough times. Many Christians are today being put to death for their belief in Christ! It’s been this way for 2000 years. A pre trib rapture is certainly welcome….but the scriptures have to be tweaked behind my ability to believe it.

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  • Dan_o

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 11:00pm

    I barely skimmed the article myself. I’ve read a few of the Left Behind books. They are not bad, but the action fan in me would rather see a film based on the Joel Rosenberg end-times series. The Left Behind series is geared more towards teens.

    I also am hopeful for a pre-trib rapture, but go back and forth on if that is in scripture. Ultimately, we are here for His service and pleasure, so whatever He asks of us, He will also give us the means to accomplish.

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  • jman-6

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 12:49am

    If you don’t believe in the rapture and believe it has to be tweaked how do you reconcile Rev. 3:10?

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  • Pouncing Porcupine

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 2:08am

    @LoddyDah
    You are wise to reject pre-trib rapture. It is part of a heresy concocted by the RCC

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  • NOTMOHAMMED

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 7:19am

    The Rapture is a tweak in itself, based on a young girl’s dream in the 1800s. Ain’t nobody goin’ anywhere, folks. When the Time comes, all His players will be in place. Right here.

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• tenndave

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:02pm

  1611 – The original King James Bible, including the Aprocrypha.

  1629 – King James is revised

  1631 – “Wicked Bible”. Printer’s error that read “Thou shalt commit adultery”.

  1638 – King James is revised

  1762 – King James is revised

  1769 – King James is revised. This is the standard revision used today called the “Oxford Standard Edition”.

  1826 – Aprocypha finally removed from the King James translations.

  1982 – Language is modernized in a revision called the New King James Version

  1994 – King James Version 21 edition.

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  • valiant1776

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:23pm

    Those prior to 1800 are called “editions”, not “revisions”. Revisions, as opposed to editions, are those that actually significantly transform and change the text on account of a totally new translation. The King James Bible has never been newly translated and linguistically updated by any authorized committee. In fact, the Crown has exclusive right to the printing of the text, and it ever has been an offense to significantly change it and print such change without permission. To this day, there has been no known call from the Crown to form a new committee and actually revise the Authorized Version.

    The NKJV and other KJV variants, including the RV, are and have been produced in the US, wherein no copyright exists.

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  • Dan_o

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:25pm

    Do you care to cite what the revisions were? Of course you don’t. That wouldn’t suit your argument. For those who care to know the truth, the majority of changes were things like changing the spelling of words to the modern forms, like weepe to weep and diddest to didst. Other “dramatic” changes were adding the word “the” to phrases like cheweth cud making the phrase cheweth the cud.

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  • ThoreauHD

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 11:52pm

    Sorry, but why are you posting the Church of England revisions of a Bible written by Catholics and Jews? Like Mohammed’s faith, I wouldn’t get too attached to an interpretation of a Church that started by beheading women. Look closer.

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  • changedone

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 9:04am

    !! Timothy 3:16: “All Scripture is given by inspiration from God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” In the original Greek language of the New Testament text, the word “inspiration” here is Theopneustos, literally meaning “God breathed.”

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  • valiant1776

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 9:33am

    INSPIRA’TION, n. [L. inspiro.]

    1. The act of drawing air into the lungs; the inhaling of air; a branch of respiration, and opposed to expiration.

    2. The act of breathing into any thing.

    3. The infusion of ideas into the mind by the Holy Spirit; the conveying into the minds of men, ideas, notices or monitions by extraordinary or supernatural influence; or the communication of the divine will to the understanding by suggestions or impressions on the mind, which leave no room to doubt the reality of their supernatural origin.

    4. The infusion of ideas or directions by the supposed deities of pagans.

    5. The infusion or communication of ideas or poetic spirit, by a superior being or supposed presiding power; as the inspiration of Homer or other poet.

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• tenndave

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 9:59pm

  I would that England had one uniform translation, but I have never yet seen a Bible well translated in English, and I think the Geneva is the worst of all…This new translation must not be burdened with marginal notes that are partial, untrue, seditious, and treaterous toward kingship but rather must spread the idea of divine rule by monarchs.” King James I when he appointed the 54 scholars to translate.

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  • valiant1776

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:26pm

    And your opinion is important why?

    “One of the supreme achievements of the English Renaissance came at its close, in the King James Bible… It is rightly regarded as the most influential book in the history of English civilization… the King James Version combined homely, dignified phrases into a style of great richness and loveliness. It has been a model of writing for generations of English-speaking people.” Compton’s Encyclopedia – Online Edition. Downloaded from America Online, May 26, 1995

    “The greatest English Bible is the Authorized, or King James, Version. Based on Tyndale’s translation and original texts, it was produced in 1611 by six groups of churchmen at the command of King James I. The King James Bible became the traditional Bible of English-speaking Protestants. Its dignified and beautiful style strongly influenced the development of literature in the English language. The influence can be seen in the works of John Bunyan, John Milton, Herman Melville, and many other writers.” Merit Students Encyclopedia – Vol. 3; Crowell-Collier Educational Corporation; 1967, 1972 ed. p.p. 137, 138 Rev. Holt H. Graham; Rev. Joseph M. Petulla; Mr. Cecil Roth

    “The scholars who produced this masterpiece are mostly unknown and unremembered. But they forged an enduring link, literary and religious, between the English-speaking people of the world.” Sir Winston Churchill, Prime Minister

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  • valiant1776

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:29pm

    “The translation was extraordinarily well done because to the translators what they were translating was not merely a curious collection of ancient books written by different authors in different stages of culture, but the word of God divinely revealed through His chosen and expressly inspired scribes. In this conviction they carried out their work with boundless reverence and care and achieved a beautifully artistic result…they made a translation so magnificent that to this day the common human Britisher or citizen of the United States of North America accepts and worships it as a single book by a single author, the book being the Book of Books and the author being God.” George Bernard Shaw, Author – The Men Behind the King James Version, by G. S. Paine; Baker Book House; Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1959, 1977 ed., pp. 182-183

    “…the rhetoric of the King James Version has the aspect not of a stumbling block but rather of a bulwark…” Amy Clampitt, Poet

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  • valiant1776

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:29pm

    “The highest eulogiums have been made on the translation of James the First, both by our own writers and by foreigners. And, indeed, if accuracy, fidelity, and the strictest attention to the letter of the text, be supposed to constitute the qualities of an excellent version, this of all versions, must, in general, be accounted the most excellent. Every sentence, every work, every syllable, every letter and point, seem to have been weighed with the nicest exactitude; and expressed, either in the text, or margin, with the greatest precision.” Alexander Geddes (d. 1802), a Roman Catholic priest, who in 1792 issued the first column of his own translation of the Bible, accordingly paid tribute to the Bible of his time.
    “From the middle of the seventeenth century, the King’s Bible has been the acknowledged Bible of the English-speaking nations throughout the world simply because it is the best. A revision which embodied the ripe fruits of nearly a century of labour, and appealed to the religious instinct of a great Christian people, gained by its own internal character a vital authority which could never have been secured by any edict of sovereign rulers.” Brooke Westcott, one of the members of the committee that produced the Revised Version, and the editor, with Fenton Hort, of an edition of the Greek New Testament.

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  • Dan_o

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:42pm

    Thank you Valiant. Your defense is appreciated.

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• tenndave

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 9:51pm

  Is it a sin to quote Leviticus as law but not follow to the letter every scripture in Leviticus? I always cringe when people use Leviticus as the base for right and wrong in that it was meant for the Jews to separate them apart from the Gentiles. So if I insist that something in this book should be followed but ignore the other 80%, am I sinning? You know, cut off the hand, put to death, etc.

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  • GoodStuff

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:10pm

    “I always cringe when people use Leviticus as the base for right and wrong in that it was meant for the Jews to separate them apart from the Gentiles.”

    The Moral Law, the Ten Commandments was meant for everyone. God’s Law was written on the hearts of all men: Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts..

    The Ten Commandments aren’t “to be followed” That’s legalism. These laws are the “schoolmaster” which bring us to a knowledge of what sin is:

    Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    Romans 7:7 Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law.

    The Ten Commandments are the mirror that show us our sins. They show us the need for a savior. Jesus used the Ten commandments, so did Paul, to bring about the knowledge of sin.

    Again, following the Ten Commandments doesn’t save us. That is legalism and works-righteous salvation, which is unBiblical. No one is “good” according to Christ, so our attempts to save ourselves are worthless. The Grace of Christ alone is what saves.

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  • valiant1776

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:12pm

    Yes, we’re all guilty before God.

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  • Dan_o

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:19pm

    Christ didn’t set people free from the law but free from sin and due punishment.

    The entire sacrificial system described in Lev. and again in Deut. is a picture of the perfect sacrifice to come. There is not one (but Christ) who has not sinned and any single sin separates you from a Holy God, so whether or not a person follows the whole law is irrelevant. The purpose of the law is to convict. It’s a mirror showing our inability to attain God’s standard.

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• tenndave

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 9:47pm

  What I find amazing are statements like “if you follow your scriptures there is no other acceptable view” If that is true then we wouldn’t have all our different Protestant denominations. Right? Different denominations interpret some scriptures differently. Add to the fact most of you haven’t read the original Greek or Hebrew versions, you rely on translations done with a preconceived purpose in mind and presto, different views. If Christ set a person free from Christianity, then you have followed a false prophet. Just saying, read those scriptures.

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  • DeeCee

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 8:20am

    @TENNDAVE
    As for the rapture doctrine in particular, the problem is less of one that people interpret scripture differently, but rather they:

    A. Use modern versions whose basis is that of corrupt text.
    B. Don’t read the Bible for themselves.
    C. Choose to parrot whatever it is that they have been taught.
    (Related to points A & B)

    There is no such thing as “original” Greek or Hebrew versions and while the KJV is based on well over 5000 manuscripts (Textus Receptus/Majority Text) that are in agreement, the entire range of modern versions are based on a few corrupted manuscripts and/or the workings of a fouled Greek translation from Wescott & Hort.

    The entire pre-trib or “Left Behind” doctrine is a fallacy.

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• Smokey_Bojangles

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 9:12pm

  Nicholas Cage? Guess it could be worse. Could be Communist Danny Glover or “Valley of the Wolves–Iraq” star,Gary Busey.

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• Coupe

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:18pm

  Christianity is an exclusive club. However, everyone is invited to join the club. What actor is playing the
  part is not important. The message is important. I don’t care if any christians see the movie (although for it to be successful and more to be made, they will need to go). I hope those who don’t know about Jesus will attend.

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  • whatthecrazy

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 10:23pm

    Agree

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• DadRocked

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:14pm

  Kirk Cameron – Another member of the blacklisted with his conservative idealism…

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  • Glennda

    Posted on December 23, 2012 at 9:50am

    Yes, yes . . . Kirk. Christian. Victim. Devil’s play toy. Must protect Kirk.

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• DeeCee

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:12pm

  It makes no difference who they have playing the parts of the movie… the whole premises of a pre-trib rapture causing people to be “Left Behind” is not only false, but totally un-biblical. If you want the truth without any connections to Hollywood or big publishers who want your money, watch this FREE video that was released just yesterday:

  http://youtu.be/jTmZHDb_sP8

  The video is almost 2 hours in length, but the case for the truth is fully made within the first 30-35 minutes.

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  • iampraying4u

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:27pm

    Lets hear it for mid trib

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  • Twinkiediddle

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:38pm

    NO MAN knows the hour or the day, not even the angels in Heaven or the Son of God. Period!

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  • Southern Rebel

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:39pm

    I agree…this pre-trib lie being taught by the paid and compromised ‘priesthood’ of christianity, will do more detriment to the christian religion and cause it to continue to retract itself into a worthless cocoon, because they will be made out to be fools in the end.
    Glad I’m not a christian (I am a ‘believer’ however) and don’t associate with their strange temple worship and contemporary rituals. Jesus set me free…from Christianity! :)

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  • DeeCee

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 9:27pm

    @IAMPRAYING4U
    Sorry, but mid-trib doesn’t match up with scripture either… the name of the video I posted a link to is “After The Tribulation” and if folks follow their Bible in an honest fashion, there is no other acceptable scriptural view.

    @TWINKIEDIDDLE
    Are you aware that because of the way the Hebrew calendar is calculated, there is a roughly 24-48 hour period of time each month that is commonly referred to “the time that no man knows the day or hour”?

    While I can’t say with any certainty, there are some folks believe that time-frame is what is being referred to when considering the Bible quote you have alluded to.

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• whatthecrazy

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 7:51pm

  I think the target audience should be the non believers and to do that you need to find those actors that interest them.They may not be our choice but as long as they attract mind numbed non believers that is the most we can hope for.The movies are important for a change compared to the constant streaming of trash and violence that is destroying our childrens souls.(and ours)

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  • Twinspeedr

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:13pm

    The pre-tribulation rapture is a creation of the Church. It is not Biblical. Every “supporting” passage that the proponents cite is talking about Jesus returning at that same time that people are going up. The problem is that when Jesus shows up the tribulation is over and so cannot be before the tribulation. The hints for what the believers will do during the tribulation are found in the Seven Feasts of God from Leviticus (notice I didn’t call them Feasts of the Jews?). Jesus has fulfilled the Spring Feasts in his crucifixion and will fulfill the Fall Feasts during the end times. This is when the true believers will be under God’s protection in the wilderness keeping the Feast of Sukkot or (Tents/Booths) all while the rest of the world suffers the tribulation.

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  • Exrepublisheep

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:20pm

    TWINSPEEDR. Interesting.

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:25pm

    TWINSPDR
    Did you actually read the “Left Behind” series by LaHaye and Jenkins? Jesus doesn’t show up until the valley of Armageddon, in the last book of the series.

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  • Southern Rebel

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:42pm

    @twinspeedr- Interesting points. I’m wondering if 1) you’re one of those ‘lets be hebrews’ now crowd, but more importantly 2) what is your opinion on what those under His protection during the tribulation period, will be doing? Of course, not everyone who calls His name will be protected.

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• terryhamilton

  Posted on December 22, 2012 at 7:31pm

  Nicholas Cage would be great for the Anti-Christ role but nothing else. He is an avid Scientologist just like Tom Cruise. I do not see a Christian audience accepting Nicholas Cage in any role depicting him as a Christian.

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  • James@War

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 7:56pm

    That is why the world hates us and Christianity is dying a slow death. We’ve become an exclusive club that can’t accept outsiders, and furthermore can’t keep our ignorant thoughts to ourselves. No wonder the world thinks we’re a bunch of uneducated, ignorant rednecks. Are these movies supposed to reach the lost, or be an entertaining diversion for the self righteous?

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  • Jezreel

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:11pm

    Speaking about Christianity as an “exclusive club” is describing the world view religious system that is NOT The body of Christ. Yes, the body of Christ that a person is baptised into by the spirit of Christ and only Jeshua can baptize a person into His body IS HIS BODY. Just as only one man, one body, Enoch, was transfigured and raptured into heaven before the flood, the body of Christ, HIS BODY, is also only ONE PERSON. A man shall leave his mother and father and cleave unto his wife and they shall become one flesh but I speak of the mystery of Christ and the church. The church is HIS BODY. The church that you seeupon the earth, with it’s membership rolls and its entertainments and its traditions and rudiments of the world, that is the Babylonian adulteress, the apostate church. The church that the world sees. The world does not know us, neither does it know HIM.
    It is quite suiting for a movie to be put out like that at a time like this seeing that world events have lined up, especially around Israel. Things are gearing up for his immanent return.

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  • LeadNotFollow

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:43pm

    Terry – I agree.
    I do not want to see Nicholas Cage in the lead role.
    I think all the actors in the movie should be men and women of God.
    They should “talk the talk and walk the walk” in their personal lives.

    Who are they planning on casting next, foul mouthed CeeLo Green, creepy Woody Harrelson, or disgusting Larry Flynt?

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  • Southern Rebel

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 8:46pm

    @Jezreel- Interesting. You make a lot of sense…but please, leave out the ‘hebrewisms’ okay….Jesus didn’t tell us to pretend we were hebrews, He knew that His word would be translated into English.
    I do however, completely agree with what you’re saying about Christianity…although you didn’t say it flat out…the ‘christian church’ is NOT His church. And you’re right, they are a part of the Babylonian system…1 last empire to go..and it’s comin fast. :)

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  • James@War

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 9:04pm

    Hey Lead, King James was a pretty wicked man. He’s the reason we have the Bible in English. Think God can’t use the list for His purpose? Enjoy your members only club.

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  • Chet Hempstead

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 11:41pm

    I don’t know what religious beliefs, if any, Mr. Cage holds, but he is not a scientologist and has been openly critical of scientology. He was once married to Lisa Marie Presley who is a scientologist, but it only lasted three months and his refusal to join the cult is said to have been a factor in their breakup.

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  • Todd P

    Posted on December 22, 2012 at 11:51pm

    If that’s the case, the Nicolas would be the perfect actor to play an atheist – who later repents and comes to Christ. After all, Jesus did not come to save the righteous – but the sinner. If the lead actor is someone known to be Christian, it would not make as much sense to see them “play” an atheist.

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