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Man Who Shot Firefighters Left Note Saying He Wanted to ‘Do What I Like Doing Best, Killing People’
William Spengler (Photo: WHAM-TV)
WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) — Police in Webster, N.Y., say the man who lured firefighters to their deaths in a blaze of gunfire left a typewritten note saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and “do what I like doing best, killing people.”
Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday that the man’s sister hasn’t been found yet. He said 62-year-old ex-convict William Spengler armed himself with three weapons and set his house afire to lure first responders into a death trap.
Two firefighters were shot dead and two others are hospitalized. Spengler killed himself as seven houses burned around him Monday.
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BR333
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:43pmHow is it this guy had a gun, Under New York law this guy should not have had a gun of any type being a felon. So if New York cannot keep someone from illegally getting a gun under existing laws how is it they are going to keep someone from doing the same thing under any new laws they pass. Its an absolute fact that the US will be a more dangerous place for law abiding citizens if these idiots get there way and ban gun ownership.
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dosdelgados
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:02pmYep. No gun law in existence was going to stop him. No future laws, either. He was bound and determined to do evil. All these laws accomplish is a guarantee of defenseless victims, like a barrel full of fish.
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Flag-Man
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:06pmWhat kind of gun did he shoot them with????????
That is what is important to the liberals
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YAHSHUARULES
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:13pmI agree with you, but the left will use that as an argument for out and out confiscation and outlawing of rights of private citizens to bear arms.
The left has an agenda to drive this culture in a direction designed to destroy it. Gun control is just one of their weapons. The cadre of intellectuals that have trained Gramsci shock troops of teachers and media hacks to take this which was a Judeo/Chrsitan culture down from within…
got one question for anyone on this blog – do you know who Fabians (with logo of wolf in sheep’s clothing), Frankfurt School, Antonio Gramsci, Mattechine Society, Alinksi (who dedicated his book “Rules for Radicals to Lucifer), which Obama taught in Chicago for years, Committees of Correspondence are? Connect all the dots that allowed Obama to waltz into the White House…
All part of the Agenda to create an America so corrupt it stinks and to drive this culture in a direction designed to destroy it. If you don’t know all this you need to find out!
This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this
together. Watch it. Share it. It is free on line for the moment
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The point is that the push for marriage – which is a God ordained institution is an attack on the BIBLICAL family structure – To destroy the family of mother and father – where father is priest of his household, provider, protector, discipliner, instill virtures, integrity, modesty
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Coyote1953
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:31pmSurely you don’t believe criminals would purchase a gun if guns were outlawed.
Outlaw guns and criminals will stop owning or possessing guns and people will be safe with no guns around..
It’s that simple.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:40pm@YAHSHUARULES
Thanks for the info.
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ashestoashes
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 5:03pmHa..A type written note..how convenient!!..Dead men don’t talk..and drugged out people don’t remember squat..and even if they did…what media is going to tell it and who’s going to listen?
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Lordchamp
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 5:37pmOutlaw guns and criminals won’t buy them and we’ll be safe? Surely you didn’t really say and believe that.
What does the term criminal mean anyways? Could it maybe mean someone that does not obey the law? What makes you think most criminals care about legally purchasing something anyways?
Oh the lack of critical thinking skills and logic.
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rangerskippy
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 5:40pmI am still trying to figure out how that last shooter was found with two pistols next to his dead body (said the police) and an AR in the back seat of his car, but the coroner claimed that every one shot was done so by a rifle?
Did he run outside, put the rifle back in the car, then run back inside and shoot himself?
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rangerskippy
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 5:45pmIf you want a real laugh, run over to the huffington post, and read their anti gun comments regarding this case.
One actually said “the NRA blemed the Sandy Hook shooter on insanity, but can not do so with this one” Really?
This dude killed grandma with a flipping claw hammer, and you want us to think he was sane.
years ago in America, we hung folks for stealing another man’s horse. Now thugs can rape your daughter, and will be back on the street in under five years.
Give these murdering pieces of trash a trial, one appeal, then walk them to the gallows and let them swing in view of the town square.
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liberalism_is_mental_retardation
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 5:56pmAbsolutely the two best comments I’ve read yet. Right on!!!
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 6:10pmhahaha…hahaha…HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
These recent shootings are just way to bizarre and convenient, to even suggest that this is a natural order of things. PLEEEEEEEEEASE….
This has to be #GunControlNow freaks doing things to advance the cause….The ends justify the means, and “in war (for the cause) you must kill some people, and risk being killed yourself, it is what must be done!”
I don’t believe any of this is real, in the sense that this is what an individual decided to do one day. I mean if it were not so constant, and convenient, I might tend to believe it. I do believe there is evil in this world, and people that would do these things…..But not this many….
/Fear /Fear /Fear “It’s okay to be afraid of the world, the government is here to protect you!!”
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Twisted Mind
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 6:43pmAt least we know that the children went to heaven. Hope he had been saved so he’ll go to.
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Twisted Mind
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 6:46pmSorry, posted on wrong article
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Techcon
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 7:50pmAnother victory for the ACLU!
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lani59
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 9:14pmThe main problem is how does a person who beat his grandmother to death with a hammer, not get life in prison or the death penalty? Whoops, I forgot he’s in one of the most liberal states in the country, which goes to show you how screwed up this state is. They’re more worried about banning 16oz sodas than how many murderers are let out of prison to rejoin society. Thank God he killed himself because at least this way, his future is taken out of the liberals hands. I hope the firefighters family sue the **** out of new York for letting this monster go free. NY, you’re on a fastrack to move past Calif as the most IGNORANT run state in the Union.
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Popp40
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 12:08am@Ballot_Box_Revolution…..what is the saying Communists, Socialist and Globalists say…sometimes you have to break some eggs to make an omelette!
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kryptonite
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:01am@RANGERSKIPPY
…One actually said “the NRA blemed the Sandy Hook shooter on insanity, but can not do so with this one” Really? This dude killed grandma with a flipping claw hammer, and you want us to think he was sane.
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The guy was sane in every sense of the word, including legally. He was just plain evil.
That being said, this case is proof that criminals rarely purchase guns legally. All they need to commit their heinous crimes is liberal stupidity, or buddies like Hussein and Holder in high places.
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Glennda
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:17amRANGER SKIMPY . . . Still confused about that rifle in the back seat, eh? Believe me, that’s the least of your worries.
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dosdelgados
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:41pmWhen will the bleeding hearts realize that evil cannot be rehabilitated? He should have been hanged after the first freaking crime.
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katzkiner
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:32pmScopolomine + 1 patsey+ 1or two handlers to guarantee outcome=instant mass murder suicide or any other outcome desired. Standard black ops for 60 years. There are monsters out there, but, not this many. Google: Devils Breath, keep your tin foil hat.
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bikerdogred1
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:14pmWell he was honest,now lets all look at the DA and the judge who gave this man a reduced sentence because he was a nice guy and an honest one at that.
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Jake Peters
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:11pmAs a former Rochesterian, I am appalled. Upstate New York used to a normal community with a dysfunctional appendage, New York City. It seems like the human pollution has spread north.
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yougottabekidding
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:36pmNew York is full of bleeding heart liberals that don’t care if they impose it on you, but want nothing to do with it if they have to be responsible. That’s your responsibility.
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kryptonite
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:16pm@JAKE PETERS
Liberals have been undermining America for some time now, but there is such a thing as the Obama Effect. Elections have consequences in the spirit realm as well. You elect an evil man as leader of a nation, and evil *will* spread far and wide.
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YAHSHUARULES
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:26pmBy design: Our Founders knew that only a moral and biblically literate people could handle the freedoms of our Republic Representative form of government. Freedom without morality destroys. There is so much filth and depravity it is just background noise. So much of what is acceptable today would horrify our Founders that we have sunk so low.
The left is at WAR with God: they know that a moral people who believe their rights come from God would never want or need what they are selling. They must corrupt the culture; and we are seeing the fruit of this rotten tree with the breakdown of society and evil, pure evil unchecked for the most part in our midst.
WND had the courage to call it for what it is
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/satan-worship-motivated-sandy-hook-killer/
There is an enemy in our midst that seeks to drive this country in a direction designed to destroy it. Our founders knew that only a moral and biblically grounded people were capable of handling the freedoms in the Constitution. Freedom without morality gives events like this. I weep for America
This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. Watch it. Share it.
https://vimeo.com/52009124
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:31amHey don’t blame New York City. Rochester has been the murder capital of the state for years. They not only have a higher murder rate than NYC, they have a higher murder rate than Newark! This Spengler guy isn’t from New York City, and neither was Albert Shawcross, the Gennesee River Strangler, back in the late 1980s, or Joseph Naso the suspect in the Alphabet Murders back in the early 1970s.
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Lar5
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:58pmWe must find out who sold this felon and murderer the gun? Did he get it from a gun show with no background check? If so, believe it or not no law was broken due to the flaw in our laws. Can’t we even fix this?
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katzkiner
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:09pmBetter yet. Test him and the school shooters for scopolomine. Street name, Devils Breath.
Goggle. Brace yourself for a shock. We weaponized it 60 years ago.
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qpwillie
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:19pm@Lar5
I think a couple of laws were broken when Spengler set the house on fire and started shooting firefighters. I doubt he felt any guilt about breaking laws.
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Skyking69
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:27pmLAR5,
Just because he maybe bought the gun at a gunshow from a non-dealer, or from the truck of a non-dealer parked in a shopping center parking lot, or in an apartment when responding to a Craig’s List advertisement, or stole them from someones home(s) or vehicle(s); he knew he was a convicted felon and the lack of a background check isn’t what kept him from getting the guns. He was breaking laws buying guns, stealing guns and/or possessing guns. Another gun law would have been ignored just like those were. But, even more illustrative…
How many people did he shoot? How many did he kill? Weren’t there laws against that? What about setting arson fires? Weren’t there laws against that?
OK, so if we just plug the so called “gun show loophole” that is going to fix what?
The ******** that push for the so called “gun show loophole” are just looking for an excuse to chip away at peoples rights by increasing costs of purchase. The only thing the “gun show loophole” is going to do is…nothing. It isn’t going to do a thing.
Phil
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Perspective
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:33pmThe only flaw in our laws concerning guns is that they are all un-Constitutional. You really need to red the 2nd amendment. This guy was an ex-convict so is therefore ineligible to own firearms legally. He broke the law and didn’t care.Gun laws only hurt the law abiding citizen and do nothing to stop criminals.
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1Randfan
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 5:37pm@LAR5 the problem is not with our laws but with the warped logic from the left that somehow criminals are going to follow them. We create laws so the good guys know the boundaries and the bad guys know when they are crossing them.. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun, think western duel in the street at high noon and you get the picture.
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zoro51
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:35pmthis man is brubing in hell this christmas one but of many in eternity hel be suffering NO PITY NO MERCY… same with all murders muslum or white black or mexican.. hell awaits your flesh
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drs1969
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 9:21pm25 years late!
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starman70
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:15pmAs a soon to be 50 year volunteer firefighter and still an active first responder to fire and EMS calls, My prayers and thoughts are with the families of those who were killed and wounded. May our loving GOD take the souls of the murdered firefighters to be with him eternally and may he provide comfort to their families. May he grant a swift and complete recovery to those who were wounded.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:18pmAmen
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Thomas
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:20pmIt is Cain who would like to mystify the devil and place his wicked on God’s angels rather than on the physical of which Cain is so attached to.
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Bojaco
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:37pmAmen.
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Evileye
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:49pmYears Ago This person would never have committed this Crime.
He would have been Hung for the first one.
(Beating his Grandmother to death with a hammer.)
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kryptonite
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:09pm@EVILEYE
We don’t know if murdering his grandmother was, in fact, his first crime (you never know with violent psychopaths), but he WOULD have hanged for sure. Years ago, a nobody with sociopathic traits would never have been elected POTUS either.
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Ramcharger
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:14pmHurry – BAN FIRE – Can’t let a tragedy go un exploited!
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Smokepole
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:01pmOnce again our liberal society has reared it’s ugly head. The gutless, spineless, pantie-waisted snivelers permitted this murder to once again walk the streets of America. Every Judge, Jury member, prosecutor and defense lawyer should be held accountable as well as every law maker in the State of New York.
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Thomas
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:19pmWhen Cain, (The Devil according to Jesus) who was the first murderer and liar, turned his back in God’s face he created a new mind on this planet and those genes survive to this very day. There was no repentance even after God the peace maker spoke with him that much. God never told Cain he would be hidden from His face (The hebrew word for face is the same as presences) but that is what Cain added all on his own he is is the first devil (not an angel) who sowed the tares in the field (the world) amongst the seed through Seth. Cain genes have populated this world ever since and for that reason it is God (the cultivator of his Garden) who must root up the weeds. We are all mixed and must understand this if we want to go through complete repentance that ultimate brings the cure.
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drs1969
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 9:27pmThe jury probably wasn’t involved. He may have made a plea bargain.
I was on a jury once and they withheld tons of info. on the victim, because he was a criminal. They were trying to get a conviction for his death. He really did need killing, and he was. The ‘criminal justice’ system works for the criminals. They treat juries like mushrooms.
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Warphead
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:45pmTheir are some people responsible for letting this animal out into society. Their decision has cost lives. I am no psychological expert but I feel very confident in saying that any sane and rational person or especially a group of persons would be correct in making the assessment that a man that beats his grandmother to death with a hammer shall never set foot into society again.
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oldduffer
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:42pmSc#ew you libs. We know how and will shoot back at you crazy Obamaites.
A man suspected in a possible home invasion Monday morning was shot and killed after a gunfight with a resident.
Las Vegas police said a man, woman and infant were at an apartment at the La Ventana complex at 2901 N. Rainbow Blvd., near Cheyenne Avenue, when several suspects knocked on the front door about 10:15 a.m.
The three other suspects, two men and a woman, left a vehicle at the scene, ran from the area and were being sought by police.
Both of the adult residents were being treated by paramedics, but not for gunshots, he said. Fire Department paramedics initially said three people had been shot.
The INFANT in the home was not harmed.
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starman70
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:21amHere is another case where a law abiding citizen was FORCED to protect his family due to the actions of the criminal element. He did what he had to do.
The liberal establishment had much rather have the thugs kill, maim, rape their victims rather than allow homeowners to protect themselves and their families. Because a gunfight ensued after the home was invaded, it is obvious that the thugs were armed and might have killed the occupants in order to prevent them from identifying them.
SCREW LIBERALS is right on the money!!! I wish no bad luck on anybody BUT it would be just fine if some of these bleeding heart liberals who are harping continuously about gun bans were the receiptants of some of these midnight visits by the gun toting criminals. If they were to suffer the horror of such a home invasion, they might realize that owning a gun for home protection is a very good idea.
Of course, many of these LIB clowns such as Bloomberg can afford to hire full time ARMED security personnell which tells us that it is OK for them to get protection but the rest of us must suffer the consequences of the actions of criminals.
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neverending
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:38pmI cannot even begin to imagine how any person can be this sick, this deranged, this lower then the lowest. Why oh why can’t they just go and take their own life, put themselves out of their misery and we will never miss them and certainly not have to read about them. God bless these firefighters and may He help the families and friends through these tragic and sad days.
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nocalifornia
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:19pmI see on other web sites they are playing up the “Bushmaster .223 like the one use in the Connecticut school massacre”. So with that said how did a convicted murderer (thats means he was a convicted felon gun grabbers) get his hands on these weapons? He got them illegally just like the crazy in Connecticut did. So much for existing gun laws, so lets make some more useless laws that criminals and wacko’s won’t obey.
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starman70
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:39pmRIGHT ON!!!!
rqd. lc
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jacobstroubles
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:19pmSadly I see on the horizon..”match & lighter control”… people should not be allowed to have matches, or lighters. Hopefully that newspaper who printed the names/address of all the people who have gun permits, will find time to post names and addresses of all those who have matches and lighters.
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180pilot
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:06pmIf you want another shock, just go to your state website showing just the registered sex-offenders in your zip code. I live in a small, 14,000 resident town in rural California and there are 21 registered sex offenders in my area…..how many other turned loose mental patients, unknown…
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:07pmHave been doing that often now for years. But, now that my son has his concealed carry permit I am no longer as worried as I used to be.
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sheriff32
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 8:17pmRj, what are you saying ?your son can’t defend himself from sex offenders without a gun?
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Walkabout
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:02pmIf you read the newspaper “Rochester Democrat and Chronicle”, you’ll find out that he went away to prison for 25 to 85 years for beating his grandmother to death. He was paroled about 1997 & came off parole in 2006.
A flimsy reason was given for why he murdered his grandmother. He was able to clean up the crimes scene (among other things he tossed the murder weapon in Lake Ontario). He claimed that he did not want his grandmother to go down in the basement because she might fall & get hurt. So while arguing he became enraged & beat her to death.
You got to wonder what was in the basement or what he was doing there?
Will hands & feet be proscribed by law next?
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:12pmJapan proscribed the hands and feet in the forbidence of Korean martial arts during their occupation of Korea.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:12pmThese brave firefighters were killed by the liberal left leaning bureaucrats who paroled this convicted murderer in the first place. But, once the real trolls arrive here, it will be entirely the fault of the gun used and Spengler will be ONE of the victims.
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starman70
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:45pmMy question is WHY a man so vicious as to beat his grandmother to death is even out of prison at all? It is patently obvious that the New York parole board didn’t have any psychological data on this nut because anyone evil enough to kill his grandmother in that manner certainly has mental problems. The parole board should have seen that.
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Spitfire1938
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:33pmThe Rochester Democrat and Chronicle is a worthless “Progressive” ‘organ’ owned by the communist controlled Gannett Newspapers; a company that actually was founded in Rochester but was forced in 1986 to move to VA by then Gov. Mario Cuomo’s “Stalinist” anti business policies. Even a solidly Progressive news organization was unable to survive in NY’s toxic business climate. For example: remember in 1989 Cuomo cost NY businesses and taxpayers well over 10 BILLION dollars by shuttering the COMPLETED Shoreham Nuclear Power Station a few hour before it went on line. Ten Billion actually meant something 1989.
For the D&C it’s been all downhill since then. Their ‘juices’ drained away when their Parent left and now nothing they print is un-biased or trustworthy; it’s all just propaganda.
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tj1961
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:00pmHow does repeatedly striking someone with a HAMMER qualify as MANSLAUGHTER???
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Walkabout
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 9:08pmSpitfire1938
The economic & environmental lunacy behind Cuomo’s Shoreham decision is just chilling
tj1961
I used google to search for more information on Spengler. I don’t like any newspaper that says “Democrat”. But just because it says Democrat does not mean I won’t peruse it. I just wanted to know why he went to jail for 17 years. It seemed like a long time. He killed his grandmother in 1981. So I don’t think he was trolling on the internet. Although out east they did have a dozen or so universities connected at that time.
For the life of me I cannot imagine why he didn’t want his grandmother to walk around her own basement. My grandparents were nothing but great. During summer vacations I would sleep in the basement (All the other rooms were taken). I would never imagine telling them they could not walk around their own basement. I just cannot. They housed me. Fed me. Spent time with me. Gave me construction work. Spent time fishing with me.
Spengler didn’t not give a true accounting of his reasons I believe. Now he is dead & he cannot. His girlfriend or a prostitute was there? He has a stash of narcotics there? Or was it that he just didn’t want his privacy invaded?
We’ll never know.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:55pmHe kind of has that Anton Szandor LaVey look about him….
What a sick-o !!!
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ProgressiveDeist267
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:02pmNo, I think he looks more like Gregory Rasputi. Anton was bald and I think little facial ****.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:12pm@ProgressiveDeist267,
I was referring to his eyes and facial demeanor.
I should be more accurate and not generalize at times.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:14pm@Monk
Yes Monk, evil is there.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:14pmHI MONK,
I can see a similar evil look on Spengler’s face, but LeVay did look much different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_LaVey
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YAHSHUARULES
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:32pmAbout Anton LaVey you got that right. Its obvious this individual is demonic. I won’t argue semantics on this, but I don’t think its oppression – but out and out possession. It is said that the eyes are windows to the soul or reflecting back there is none:
Check out this:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/satan-worship-motivated-sandy-hook-killer/
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Glennda
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:16amHe’s got that Ralph Reed look around the eyes.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:53pmSo now the Devil gets to do what HE likes best: Watching his servants burn while he laughs. What a creepy, evil man. ugh.
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:52pmHe should have been executed years ago after beating his grandmother to death with a hammer.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:01pm@LibsAlwaysLie
I think Chris Matthews, Maddow, SoloMom Obrien, Mika, Joe Scarbrough, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, all of MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN would disagree and say that it was better to keep that human piece of waste alive than to have the firefighters he later killed alive.
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kryptonite
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 3:11pmAbsolutely. Some people commit a heinous crime, but they still have a conscious and the light of Christ can reach into the inner recesses of their soul and save them, usually because they have a lot of time to reflect on the consequences of their evil deed behind bars. Psychos cannot be fixed, no matter the earthly punishment. They are heavily demon-possessed and EMBRACE it, so they enjoy inflicting pain and killing from a young age. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if this guy is responsible for some cold cases out there.
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HKS
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:50pmAnother fine product of our liberal incubation systems, the “you owe me society” developed from cradle to grave by liberals. Fine job liberal, socialist and communist within the American boarders.
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right-wing-waco
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:49pmHe was an ex-con, why did he have a gun in the first place???? Dear libs, all the “no gun” signs in the world would have stopped him. Also no “assault weapons ban” would have stopped him either. Maybe if you start keeping these people in prison or check up on them more… Stop blaming the guns, and do something that works. You libs are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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grimmster
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:02pm@Waco.
Amen brother…..
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right-wing-waco
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:18pmDarned computer, it should have read “wouldn’t have stopped him”, NOT would have stopped him.
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ProgressiveDeist267
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:49pmI always wondered why people will just get up one day and decide to kill other people. The human mind is strange. There is still a lot more we need to understand how people think and what influence their emotions.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:08pmI wonder why you wonder.
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Walkabout
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:08pmI vote for he was not meeting Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. If that is not it I think the church has it covered in the 7 deadly sins.
I do not think that his motives were mysterious. I think they were pedestrian. After the fact who is going to say rage or jealousy got the better of them. They don’t want to admit such mundane reasons, so they don;t tell police investigator or the court. they keep mum. And so it is chalked up as a “mystery”.
Spengler was not telling. A prison psychiatrist cannot tell us. Unless it is a sensational crime, an investigative journalist is not going to interview family fiends, childhood friends, coworkers and be able to find out.
The cause was pedestrian in nature.
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Spitfire1938
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:27pmNO! We do not need to find out ‘why’ people do what they do! The first time someone kills another person we need to effectively take them out of society for ‘life’, or ‘kill’ them when warranted, due to the depravity of their heinous acts! This NEVER happens in the “STALINIST” controlled State of NY. The communist in ‘elected’ power exalt themselves over acts a violence; violent acts allow them to CRACK DOWN on ‘violence’ and re-tighten the shackles slowly choking ‘Liberty’ and ‘Freedom out of law abiding citizens. Get out of NY NOW before it’s completely transformed into a GULAG and your trapped. Most NY’s are ALREADY communists and they are NOT your friends!
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 1:42pm@spitfire
You spoke of “mass punishment”. Are you familiar with this phrase?
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Spitfire1938
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:05pmFreedom… of course!
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BasketFullOfPuppies
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:49pmThe world is lost when people like this are let out of jail. Thanks parole board!
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dnewton
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 4:12pmLook at all of the money they saved by letting him out and off parole… Minus the lost firefighters and the houses. Granny probably damaged his self esteem. I think we have been warned that we are developing a “culture of death.” It sounded pretty overly dramatic the first time I heard it, but now I have to admit that if a life is inconvenient, it seems to be alright to kill it if you can’t hear it scream or if there is some kind of revenge angle to it. The worth of people seems to be what they can do for you and when they fail to be useful, get some new people. If people were money, we would be living in an economy of deflation.
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:37amThe guy did 17 years for killing a family member and didn’t kill anybody else for 14 years after he was released. It’s just not realistic to expect that anybody should have been able to predict that a guy whose only previous homicide was against a family member over 30 years ago would start killing strangers after all this time.
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CanteenBoy
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 12:45pmThis thing is the lowest form of single-celled, biological gelatin – SLIME!
Merry Christmas!
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Jenny Lind
Posted on December 25, 2012 at 2:34pmDo not compare slime to evil-one is just a neutral thing, the other a fact of our existance, evil is alive and well and growing among those who do not believe in God. The foolish who believe in God, that do not acknowedge evil broght to us by satan’s influence, are kidding themselves
and there are many who do forget that one of the truths from the bible speaks of ALL things have opposits-good and evil are the epitomy. Merry Christmas to you and do not let evil destroy the great message of today, “For God so loved the world….”
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