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Horrific New Details Revealed in Christmas Eve Firefighter Murders

Dec. 26, 2012 7:48am Jonathon M. Seidl

WEBSTER, N.Y. (TheBlaze/AP) — The ex-con turned sniper who killed two firefighters wanted to make sure his goodbye note was legible, typing out his desire to “do what I like doing best, killing people” before setting the house where he lived with his sister ablaze, police said.

New Details of Webster, New York Fire and Murder That Killed Two Firefighters

Photo via WHAM-TV

Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday that the 62-year-old loner, William Spengler, brought plenty of ammunition with him for three weapons including a military-style “assault” rifle as he set out on a quest to burn down his neighborhood just before sunrise on Christmas Eve.

And when firefighters arrived to stop him, he unleashed a torrent of bullets, shattering the windshield of the fire truck that volunteer firefighter and police Lt. Michael Chiapperini, 43, drove to the scene. Fellow firefighter Tomasz Kaczowka, 19, who worked as a 911 dispatcher, was killed as well.

Two other firefighters were struck by bullets, one in the pelvis and the other in the chest and knee. They remained hospitalized in stable condition and were expected to survive.

On Tuesday, investigators found a body in the Spengler home, presumably that of the sister a neighbor said Spengler hated: 67-year-old Cheryl Spengler. Spengler’s penchant for death had surfaced before. He served 17 years in prison for manslaughter in the 1980 hammer slaying of his grandmother.

But his intent was unmistakable when he left his flaming home carrying a pump-action shotgun, a .38-caliber revolver and a .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26.

“He was equipped to go to war, kill innocent people,” the chief said of a felon who wasn’t allowed to possess weapons because of his criminal past. It was not clear how he got them.

The rifle was believed to be the weapon that struck down the firefighters. He then killed himself as seven houses burned on a sliver of land along Lake Ontario. His body was not found on a nearby beach until hours afterward.

Residents of the suburban Rochester neighborhood who left their homes during the fire were allowed to return Tuesday. Police SWAT team members had used an armored vehicle to evacuate more than 30 residents.

Spengler’s motive was left unclear, Pickering said, even as authorities began analyzing a two- to three-page typewritten rambling note Spengler left behind.

He declined to reveal the note’s full content or say where it was found. He read only one chilling line: “I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down, and do what I like doing best, killing people.”

Pickering added: “There was some rambling in there and some intelligence we need to follow up on.”

It remained unknown what set Spengler off but a next-door neighbor, Roger Vercruysse, noted that he loved his mother, Arline, who died in October after living in the house in a neighborhood of seasonal and year-round homes across the road from a lakeshore popular with recreational boaters.

Pickering said it was unclear whether the person believed to be Spengler’s sister died before or during the fire.

“It was a raging inferno in there,” Pickering said.

As Pickering described it and as emergency radio communications on the scene showed, the heavily armed Spengler took a position behind a small hill by the house as four firefighters arrived after 5:30 a.m. to extinguish the fire: two on a fire truck; two in their own vehicles.

Several firefighters went beneath the truck to shield themselves as an off-duty police officer who came to the scene pulled his vehicle alongside the truck to try to shield them, authorities said.

The first police officer who arrived chased and exchanged shots with Spengler, recounting it later over his police radio.

“I could see the muzzle blasts comin’ at me. … I fired four shots at him. I thought he went down,” the officer said.

At another point, he said: “I don’t know if I hit him or not. He’s by a tree. … He was movin’ eastbound on the berm when I was firing shots.” Pickering portrayed the officer as a hero who saved many lives.

The audio posted on the website RadioReference.com also has someone reporting “firefighters are down” and saying “got to be rifle or shotgun – high-powered … semi or fully auto.”

Spengler had been charged with murder in his grandmother’s death but pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of manslaughter, apparently to spare his family a trial. After he was freed from prison, Spengler had lived a quiet life on Lake Road on a narrow peninsula where Irondequoit Bay meets Lake Ontario.

That ended when he left his burning home Monday morning, armed with his weapons, a lot of ammunition and a measure of hate.

“I’m not sure we’ll ever know what was going through his mind,” Pickering said.

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Esch reported from Albany. Associated Press writer Larry Neumeister in New York City also contributed to this report.

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Comments (185)

Jenny Lind
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:31am
Today would have been my hubby’s 72nd birthday, and in some ways I am glad the MasterChief isn’t here to see his country that he loved so much be so screwed up. I, who never believed conspiracy theories, am now wondering about so many things, the timeing, the type of people elected, and I see evil in charge of many men’s souls(yes picky one’s women too). I wonder how easy it would be to send certain people over the edge, just to be able change laws, and I do not think it impossible anymore. I know they want us disarmed, and I ask why, the answer in my head terrifies me for my family.

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- recondenny
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:23pm
  Remember he murderd his Granny with a HAMMER and he was in violation of LAW by possessing any firearm. More laws???
  
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- jmevans99
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:44pm
  I agree….I am afraid you are right, Jenny. I think terrifying times are ahead of us and that it won’t be long. Guns don’t kill people….bad people do. That man shouldn’t have been allowed to plead down to manslaughter. He should have been tried for murder one.
  
  Also…laws don’t prevent crimes. I think consequences (when they fit the crime) do deter some people, but more gun laws will just take legally owned guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens not out of the hands of criminals.
  
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- ranepowel
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:45pm
  Someone bought that bushmaster legally. He then used it illegally. Take away the ability to legally purchase and you take away the ability to illegally steal.
- deep551
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 2:41pm
  I’m where you’re at, Jenny. I too, believe there is something quite sinister, going on.
  
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- Sua-Sponte
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 3:19pm
  Ranepowel . . . I guess we can easily do the same for drug use as well. Let’s take away a person’s right to legally purchase Heroin (for example), and then there will be no more deaths by Heroin overdose or illegal Heroin use. Gee, that was easy . . . oh, wait a minute, Heroin is already not legal. How in the world do people get their hands on it?
  
  Amazing.
  
  That must mean, then, that even if we were to outlaw legal gun ownership . . . criminals would still find a way to get their hands on these weapons. Good grief! Whatever can I possibly do to protect myself and my family??
  
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- DEM
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:23pm
  He should have never been let out { I am violent in a way I dont belive in life in prison it costs all of us honest people to damb much just eliminate them.” My son says we should have 1 person jails when the second one gets caught they shoot the first so they have place for the other just think of the crime that would stop if they had this to look forward to} well enough rambeling
  
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- donotdrinkthekoolade
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:29pm
  No one has mentioned the DEATH PENALTY? Gee whiz, why don’t we give that a try for a change??? I I HAVE NEVER SEEN A DEAD MAN GET UP AND KILL AGAIN!!!! Spengler should have NEVER been walking the streets!
  
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- 226crimsontrace
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:34pm
  Who could blame him for being vengeful. Poor guy got 18 years for killing an old woman. Should’a never been released. Hope you idiot new yorkers are happy with your court system, it’s your fault
  
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- HenryA
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 5:20pm
  “ranepowel
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:45pm
  
  Someone bought that bushmaster legally. He then used it illegally. Take away the ability to legally purchase and you take away the ability to illegally steal.”
  
  All that will happen is the guns will come in with the drugs that come into this Country every day! So then only the criminals will have the Bushmasters illegally! great idea!
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 6:18pm
  Please don’t piss off the powel person, seems like he/she/it is looking for an excuse to go postal.
  
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- W4CLM
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 6:18pm
  If anyting this individual should have never been let out of prison in the first place!
  I blame the criminal justice system, not the gun!
  
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- BlueEyedInfidel
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:29pm
  Jenny, I could not agree with you more! Personally, the shooter is not the only person responsible for the deaths of these firefighters and the killers sister. Liberal courts, prosecutors and a justice system that let this animal out of prison all share culpability!
  
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- dinker
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:51pm
  I want to know why this man was OUT of prison! He killed his grandmother with a hammer!
  Anyone who does that should be put to death or NEVER LET OUT OF PRISON!
  The ACLU needs to go so it won’t be so diffucult to get help for the mentally ill—like the mother who was trying to get her son (can’ think of his name at the moment–who killed 20 kids & 6 adults in CT)
  more mental help. Thanks to the “hippie” generation for closing the mental facillities and orphanages.
  But I must wonder why the mother had ANY guns in her house that her sone could get to?!? She might have had them in a “safe” but after she was dead the safe wasn’t. If I had a mentally ill son I would NOT have had any weapons in the house at all but in a bank vault so he couldn’t get to them—so why didn’t she! It isn’t the guns fault and we need to focus on mental health not banning guns.
  It’s easier for the government to control un-armed citizens than it to control armed ones.
  
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- 700P
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:59pm
  The first danger signal should have been its obvious Capt Jack Sparrow was his **** dresser. Isn’t it also obvious the Brady Campaign is trying to exploit this terrible situation by feeding their talking points to those involved? Flash Suppression indeed….it didn’t deter the cops from figuring out they were being shot at and furthermore usually only military-grade ammo has the additive to reduce flash signature in conjunction with some sort of flash suppressor (and some muzzle devices will actually enhance flash).
  
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- SickoftheMedia
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:20pm
  I saw various media accounts stating that his motive was unclear. It’s as clear as it can be — he liked killing people. Why can’t the media get it through their heads that there is real evil in this world and someone will kill just because they like it?
  
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- FormerLEAcademyInstructor
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:53pm
  Jenny Lind, the judicial system is responsible for these tragic deaths for allowing someone who beat their own grandmother to death with a hammer to plead to a lessor included offense (manslaughter) and eventual release back to society. The timer was set by the DA who cut the deal with a homicidal maniac, and those poor firemen cashed the DA’s check. This isn’t about Bushmasters or bullets but about POS who cut deals and take a crap on the scales of justice. Life in prison would have prevented all of this…but I’m just armchair quarterbacking. CA will be enjoying the fruits of its judiciary labors as our overcrowded prisons are lanced and all the pus is allowed to run out on us.
  
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- FormerLEAcademyInstructor
  Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:05am
  Ranepowell, making possession of ______ illegal only creates a blackmarket opportunity to import weapons from, um, say MEXICO where our ATF has been exporting them for years. Criminals don’t care about your steenkeen badges, or laws, or the law-abiding citizens who actually wish to comply with the burdens you would impose on people who simply wish to protect themselves and their families from the psychotics who manage to get weapons anyway. Murder is illegal in nearly every state, but funny how we still have murders occuring every day, even in those having a death penalty. Laws mean nothing to the lawless.
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on December 28, 2012 at 9:21am
  I think the point missed here is: this guy was a criminal – not allowed by law to poses a firearm – yet he was able to get a firearm to do another senseless act of violence.
  
  The Law Failed Again – the law will fail every time when a criminal is involved – only honest people pay attention to the law. Thus, any Firearm law will leave the Honest Citizen Unprotected and keep the Criminals Armed.
  
  A good question should be answered: How many fires where responded to in the United States? How many Honest Citizens opened fire on the Brave Men sacrificing their lives to put the fires out?
  
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rangerskippy
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:17am
Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

Time an again, we see wicked monsters like this who do the killing. The ******** will in turn, clamor about taking guns away from the law abiding. Just look at this guys picture, and you see evil. This dude killed grandma with a claw hammer. he should have gotten one appeal, then been walked to the gallows, and let swing an example why you do not commit murder.

In a short while, Glennda, Encinom, Publius pencil, VotenBush, and other liberal idiots will get one here, and cry out for guns to be taken.

None will talk of removing the ten commandments from public school, violetn video gams, abortion, rap music, black on black violence that now makes up 50% of our murder rate…..

They will flap their jaws about taking guns away from citizens, ignoring our Bill of Rights, and ignoring facts, history, and statistics.

read the following study from Harvard and enlighten yourself to the reality that getting rid of guns means more crime, not less.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

After you read it, come back and debate the topic.,

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- encinom
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:22am
  How many more dead American do the bastards of the NRA and the Gun Nuts need before they realize that assault rifles are not for citizens.
- XScramblerX
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:01am
  One more would be nice!
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:09am
  Encinom
  
  I see your refuse to read the study from Harvard. Truth scares you.
  
  Of last year’s murders, rifles made up about 320 of them, where handguns were used over 6000 times. for every murder with a rifle, there are 40 murders with another weapon (be it knife, hand gun, or club).
  
  Statics show that when you take away the guns, murder rates go up. It did in England, and in Australia. The cities in the US with the most gun control have the highest murder rates.
  
  In America, we own 88 guns per every 100 people, but there are 25 nations with higher murder rates than ours. Honduras has only a miniscule 6.6 guns per 100 people but have the highest murder per capita rate. Less guns does not mean less murder.
  
  Notice Encinom will not say a word about black murder rates. Blacks makeup up 12.5% of the population, but do half the nation’s murders. If we lowered black murder rates to the same as whites, we would lower the nations murder rate by almost 40%. WHAT SAY YOU ENCINOM???
  
  Encinom will not mention Kevin Jennings. Jennings was Obama’s pick for SAFE SCHOOL CZAR. His only claim to fame was teaching homosexuality to school age children. HEY ENCINOM – Did he make our schools safer? Why will you not talk about Jennings? Was he a smart pick?
  
  The police told us that the Sandy Hook shooter was found with two handguns, and the rifle was in his car. The coroner claims all wounds were made by a rifle. When will the media explain that one?
  
  ENCINOM – A
  
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- Glennda
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:11am
  RANGER SKIMPY . . . Not at all. In fact, I’m for more freedom, and more common sense. Legalize marijuana and cocaine. It never killed anyone on its own. It has a useful purpose in pain management. And let’s make cigarettes illegal. They are one of the biggest contributors to death and economic destruction. And they serve no useful purpose. Unfortunately, conservatives would rather complain about light bulbs than address real issues.
  
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- UseTP2wipe
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:11am
  Jenny and Ranger-I wasn’t even going to leave a comment here, since I knew you slugs would turn this incident into a case for even more arms, more weapons. The 10 Commandments, abortion, violent video games, rap music? Besides the ridiculousness of your statement Ranger, do you think that this guy-Spengler or Lanza had any, and I mean an iota of a relation to those things? Even you don’t believe it. It is just some spew that Levin, or Hannity or some other right wing gossip host has said, so it must be true for you. Look, we’re not trying to take your precious, so-loved weapons away. If you’re a hunter, that’s fine. If you use a weapon for protection, that’s fine. But if you support everyone obtaining assault rifles, guns that have magazines that have many rounds-( you don’t need that for hunting or protection) then I do not support you. All most Americans want is sound, sane rational gun/weapons discussion and regulation that protects those who don’t want to answer 911 calls and get shot. And we don’t want our children going to school and have some nut who has somehow gotten an assault weapon from his mom, dad or someone else to shoot and kill our children. Enough is enough.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:17am
  “assault rifle” is a political term, not a gun term.
  
  Go to a gun store, and tell them you want a “assault rifle” and “30 round clips” (Magazines being the proper term), and they will run you out of the store.
  
  In the 1950s, you could walk in a hardware store, purchase an M1 Carbine, and all the 20 and thirty round magazines you wanted. The ammo for this rifle could be purchased by the case for cheap.
  
  Why did no one do any mass murders in our schools back then? The m1 Carbine was just as effective as the AR is today.
  
  Back then, we had mental institutions were the crazy folks were kept. Back then, we prayed in school, read the Bible, and learned the ten commandments (there is one about not killing your fellow man).
  
  Encinom knows that socialists in the past took away the guns, then murdered their own people. Encinom also knows that the federal gov cannot take away the Bible until they first take away the guns.
  
  Encinom knows that history shows taking away guns leads to more crime and more murder, but he is not about lowering murder, or he would talk about the black on black murder rates.
  
  Encinom is all for a socialist take over that would murder Christians, and do away with our Bill of Rights.
  
  Encinom is a communist.
  
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- UseTP2wipe
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:26am
  You can’t, with a straight face post that study as a balanced, peer-reviewed study can you? It is obvious from the title itself that it is an NRA-sanctioned screed. Who wants to “ban firearms”? That’s your language not the people who want some intelligent, sane debate about the policies, laws and beliefs about guns and weapons in this country. No one is trying to take your guns away. Not even close. A first step would be for the guns at all costs crowd to tamp down the rhetoric a bit at least.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:32am
  UseTP2wipe
  
  Did you read the attached link from Harvard?
  
  You refuse to embrace the truth. Taking away the guns, does not lower the murder rate, never has, and never will.
  
  Once again, Americans own 88 guns per 100 citizens, and there are 25 nations with higher murder rates. Honduras owns 6.6 guns per 100 citizens, and has the highest murder rate in the world.
  
  Only a miniscule amount of murders are ever done with a ” rifle”. The majority of our murders in this country are done with a hand gun, and half of them are done by black folks, but you people will not even discuss black on black murder rates, or the fact that there is a direct relationship between violent crime and welfare.
  
  the founding fathers did not recognize our freedom to keep arms to shoot rabbits or burglars. It was recognized, because an armed population is the only means of stopping a corrupt government. Thus the reason Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro….all knew it necessary to take away guns from the people.
  
  The AR is very seldom used in a crime, but it is the one weapon libs are screaming for. The founding fathers allowed citizens to own the same rifle and pistol that the Army used, and the police used. There is a reason that every police force in the nation now uses the AR. Those cops that showed up at Sandy Hook were all armed with ARs.
  
  I compete in the nationals at Camp Perry, Ohio, and I shoot an AR target rifle. This year, I tagged two deer with an AR.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:42am
  UseTP
  
  your quote – “abortion, violent video games, rap music? Besides the ridiculousness of your statement Ranger, do you think that this guy-Spengler or Lanza had any, and I mean an iota of a relation to those things”
  
  Are you that foolish. The Spengler dude killed grandma with a freaking claw hammer. Are you telling me that he did not have a past of violence?
  
  did you not read anything about Lanza? The sick little freak was burning himself with a lighter. he was called “Goth” by his friends in the “tech club” at school, where all he was able to do, is play with computers. Computers and video games were his life according to the MSM
  
  The Gabby Giffords shooter was heavily involved with video games, and so was the latest Colorado shooter. Just take a look at the Colorado shooter, he was dressed up like a super hero villan. If you think video games and movies are not an influence on these sick and warped individuals, then you are flipping stupid.
  
  You can not legally purchase “assault rifles” in Mexico. How well is that law working out there?
  
  Read the Harvard article and come back and argue the data presented. You will not be able to.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:50am
  Nation Murder Rate Rate of Gun Ownership
  Russia 20.54* [2002] 4,000
  Moldova 8.13** [2000] 1,000
  Slovakia 2.65** [2000] 3,000
  Romania 2.50** [2000] 300
  Macedonia 2.31** [2000] 16,000
  Hungary 2.22† [2003] 2,000
  Finland 1.98‡ [2004] 39,000
  Poland 1.79† [2003] 1,500
  Slovenia 1.81** [2000] 5,000
  Cz. Republic 1.69** [2000 ] 5,000
  Greece 1.12† [2003] 11,000
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:54am
  Harvard has produced some studies showing that higher gun ownership equates to more crime- These studies were conducted by David Hemenway.
  
  Every single one of these studies was also funded by none other than George Soros.
  
  Hmmmm, I wonder why George Soros (the money behind Obama) would fund studies wanting to do away with our Bill of Rights.
  
  http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
  
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- Glennda
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:57am
  RANGER SKIMPY . . . Go to a head shop and tell them you want a “bong” and they’ll run you out of the store. But they’ll be happy to sell you a “water pipe.”
  
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- Amarath01
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 12:03pm
  - competition may increase violence.. but violent images/games do not.
  http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cyber.2011.0308
  http://crx.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/08/14/0093650212456202
  
  - violent video games reduce violence
  http://ocw.metu.edu.tr/pluginfile.php/5587/mod_resource/content/2/Cunnigham_Engelstaetter_2011.pdf
  
  Oh look i can link stuff too
  
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- auntieV
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 12:04pm
  To ENCINOM:
  We have made already made the following laws:
  You may not burn your house down.
  You may not burn your neighbor’s house down.
  You may not burn your sister to death (or murder her first and then kill her).
  You may not beat your grandmother to death with a hammer.
  You may not posess firearms after said beating.
  You may not shoot firemen.
  You may not shoot at the police.
  …So, enlighten me: Did someone forget to tell him about the laws that were already on the books? Would he have listened to a new law telling him he can’t have a rifle with a >10rnd magazine? Would he have turned in his firearms if we made a new law to collect firearms? NO! We don’t even need to DISCUSS statistics of any sort. What we do need to discuss is the fact that I am beginning to take it VERY personally that you (and the likes of you) are attacking my freedoms and attempting to make a criminal out of me!!! I FOLLOW the law and I will always do so to the point that you (and the likes of you) make stupid laws that will make a criminal out of me.
  
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- kodster5
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 12:56pm
  Here’s two countries to support your statistics that more guns = lower crime rate… Switzerland, and Israel. In Switzerland, every one over the age of 18 is given an assault rifle, ammunition, and the training to use it properly. They require every one over the age of 18 to be a member of the militia. Granted, the weapon is to be kept at home, secured, until the call to arms comes through. However, as a result, Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world. Israel is of the same ilk. Everyone is armed, but because they only use the weapons in self-defense (and understandably so, being surrounded by violent lunatic asylums (nations) intent on wiping Israel off the face of the earth), they also have one of the lowest crime rates in the world… and they have not had a school shooting incident since 1973!
  
  Tell me… those that believe in more gun control restrictions… why is it that Obama sends his children to a school that has 11 armed guards to protect his children (along with Gary Powers, the idiot in Washington, DC, who waved a 30-round magazine around on his news show, violating WDC law)? Sandy Hook Elementary didn’t have a single armed guard. However, 1/3rd of American schools DO have armed guards, and they aren’t being attacked. Isn’t Obama being a hypocrite?
  
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- rochrealtor
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:02pm
  Encinom and Glennda, In this world there are “those who will eat and those who will be eatin.” Good luck at the BBQ!
  
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- Techcon
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:06pm
  @encinom-an,
  
  “…the bastards of the NRA…”
  
  You spelled that wrong, STUPID, it’s “A-C-L-U”
  
  How’s that move to N. Korea, coming?
  
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- rochrealtor
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:10pm
  usetp2wipe, you are asleep. It has nothing to do with guns, or knives, or bombs, or baseball bats…. These morons had guns illegally!! How do you propose to stop that?
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:14pm
  Sorry Ranger Dan, you are grasping at straws. Conceal carry and more guns leads to more death and more crime. islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/Ayres_Donohue_comment.pdf
  
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- ranepowel
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 3:08pm
  People always like to bring up Israel and Switzerland, but never point out the fact that both of those countries have 100% universal healthcare — including mental healthcare.
  
  Additionally, Switzerland has mandatory military service. You want that, too? And Israel has some of the hardest vetting processes for possessing firearms in any western nation. Massive background checks, federal registration and psychological exams are required before you are allowed to train and then possess a firearm.
  
  Naw, let’s just overlook all that and skew the facts in a way that makes us look ignorant. Cool.
  
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- recondenny
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 3:51pm
  What the hell does ENCINOM mean?? Is that supposed to be some kind of “cool” name. Ranger (that makes sense), we need to encourage everyone to go buy large claw hammers, , baseball bats with 10 penny nails, metal t-squares, large pry bars, saws and just claim to be carpenters who like to play softball. Nothing illegal about that, Right??
  These “sheeple” will never accept logical and / or reasonable positions. They don’t want to think. It’s too hard. They want someone else (the guberment) to do the hard thinking and decision making for them, so they can get back to important things like violent video games.
  
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- recondenny
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 3:57pm
  ENCINOM. You should be careful calling “gun nuts” BASTARDS. After all they’re nuts, right. Nuts can do some crazy things as we’ve all witnessed they past 10 days.
  
  I’m not a “gun nut” and I’m not a BASTARD. Easy big boy.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:13pm
  Yeah ummm ENCIDIOT/MONICNE/KREGNEVA/SLEAZY HIPPO? Already tried a ban on “assault” weapons and guess what my little statist buddy? It made absolutely no discernable difference to the violent crime rate.
  Your bleating is merely another example of a lefty wanting to wipe his arse with the constitution.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:19pm
  Let me help you ENCIDIOT.
  “A 2004 critical review of research on firearms by a National Research Council panel also noted that academic studies of the “assault” weapon ban “did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence” and noted “due to the fact that the relative rarity with which the banned guns were used in crime before the ban … the maximum potential effect of the ban on gun violence outcomes would be very small”.
  In 2004, a research report submitted to the United States Department of Justice and the National Institute of Justice found that should the ban be renewed (see that ENCIDIOT? Renewed? we already tried it your way little guy), its effects on gun violence would likely be small, and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as “assault rifles” or “assault weapons”, are rarely used in gun crimes.
  Furthermore…ENCIDIOT…you know why your little ban won’t make a difference? Because criminals don’t care about gun laws.
  You’re an idiot.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:23pm
  ENCINOM
  
  Sorry dude, your posted study on crime and concealed carry got blown out of the water.
  
  http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=372361
  
  I see once again, you have absolutely no answer on any of my questions concerning the MSM and libs complete denial of black on black violent crime. You refurse to even acknowlege it exists, and ignore the number of young black males getting killed. Basically you do not care, and are more inclined to push forward with communist goals of disarming America.
  
  What is your answer to Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Castro….. All disarming their populations, then murdering millions of their own citizens? Why is it the libs like you refuse to speak about this historical fact?
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:30pm
  @ranepowel
  
  Your comment – “People always like to bring up Israel and Switzerland, but never point out the fact that both of those countries have 100% universal healthcare — including mental healthcare.”
  
  They also ignore the fact that these countries have a sever shortage of African folks????
  
  African Americans make up 12.5% of our population, and do half of the nations murders. The majority of the nations in the top 25 countries with highest murder rates are in Africa, or South American countries with a high percentage of African peoples. This is not opinion, it is fact. What say you?
  
  argue all you want, but higher gun ownership does not equal higher crime. Check the stats in the Europe. The countries with the lowest gun ownership have some of the highest murder rates.
  
  When England and Australi outlawed handguns, murder rates went up, not down, and gun violence went up also.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:40pm
  AMARATHO1
  
  your comment – - violent video games reduce violence
  http://ocw.metu.edu.tr/pluginfile.php/5587/mod_resource/content/2/Cunnigham_Engelstaetter_2011.pdf”
  
  Just who do you think funded that little study?
  
  Basically, when we tripled the number of folks in prison (liberal judges were turning them back on the street in the 60s and 70s), crime went down nationally. It just so happens that as crime was going down, that the invention of the violent video games was hitting the market, thus Scott Cunningham and crowd want to draw the conclusion that violent video games made crime go down, wow, brilliant.
  
  Psychological studies invariably find a positive relationship between violent video game play and aggression. This is fact. We also noted that every single one of these school shooters in the past fifteen years have been avid gamers of the violent games. The columbine shooters were heavy into the game “Doom”. The latest shooter lived on the computer and was into the “Goth” lifestyle. The Colorado shooter was into the violent video games, and literally tried to become the Villain from one of the more popular violent movies.
  
  Don’t piss on our backs, and expect us to believe it is raining.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:26pm
  Hey Ranger, if Ensinom could grasp facts he would not be the idiot he is. He learns like all the Obamacytes do, group repetition.
  
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- donwann
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:57pm
  “Sorry Ranger Dan, you are grasping at straws. Conceal carry and more guns leads to more death and more crime. islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/Ayres_Donohue_comment.pdf”
  
  Nice Try ENCINOM
  
  However, your source is over nine years old. Why don’t you produce something with some more up to date data like maybe the FBI’s crime statistics!!!
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:06am
  @rangerskippy
  
  Sorry, that study by Lott is a collections of lies brought and paid for by the Gun Makers. Poor Bastard gun nuts, they can’t handle the truth so instead they grasp at lies. Caught lying about conducting survevys http://web.archive.org/web/20110606235648/http:/www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/lindgren.html
  
  http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2003/02/09/lottethics/
  
  With regards to the “Corrected” study, its another Lott lie:
  
  “In an interview conducted on August 18 (transcript), Lott told me that he had posted “corrected” tables on his website for all to see. But when I downloaded Lott’s “corrected” version of the contested table, it showed the same numerical values as that of Donohue and Ayres — that is, the coding errors were gone — but bizarrely claimed the properly coded data still indicated statistically significant drops in murder, rape, and robbery. That’s because Lott had introduced a new twist: Rather than simply fixing the incorrectly coded data, he omitted a key calculation regarding statistical significance used in the Plassmann-Whitley paper. (For statistics geeks, it’s called “clustering at the state level.”) Faced with no other way to save his thesis, you could say that Lott changed the rules — rules his own team had laid down — in the middle of the game. ” http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2003/10/double-barreled-double-standards
  
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- Wigglypoff
  Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:41am
  Great paper, everyone who wishes to debate gun control should first read this. When ppl say eliminate guns and reduce violent crimes: all u have to say is the studies conducted do not support your theory. In fact it’s the opposite, there is a direct positive correlation in increased gun control in fact leads to higher violent crime rates. And in English states further assault on personal freedoms; like random car searches without consent. So called random is my guess. Hmm I don’t like the way you look so let’s search your car. It’s funny that they give muggers a warning and let the go(that’s because since banning guns their crime rate is so high, so they don’t prosecute. Great link; if you don’t read the Harvard study(highly liberal source btw) than just shut up. Because banning guns in no way decreases crimes. It actually causes an increase in all crimes.
  
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- Wigglypoff
  Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:51am
  Encicom???
  Guess you did not read the link. Obviously not. Because hard evidence does not support your theory. Absolutely: “no gun control measures have been found to decrease violent crime or any crime thereof, intact the opposite is true; more gun control leads to an increase in all crime”
  Got it. Lets start practicing in evidence based studies. Would you want your doctor to presume things based on theory or do you want him to practice what evidence says is fact. Sometimes what would seem to be the right thing is actually the wrong thing. I know that ppl like you think it would be a good thing to decrease gun ownership. But this is one of those things that is different from a common perception. Prior to 1996(gun free zone law implementation). There had been one major school shooting is the us(west Texas university, sniper climbed a tower and began picking ppl off). Since that time their has Ben a 1000 % increase in school shootings. They are easy targets. Evidence supports this statement: banning guns causes an increase in gun involved murder!
  
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- Wigglypoff
  Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:05pm
  Glenda
  Really cocaine never killed anyone?
  How about overdose intentional or not?
  Marijuana mixed with cold medicine: KILLS!!
  They will keep mixing drugs till they get the effect they want. The marijuana used when I was younger(which I never used either) is about the equlivent of a cigarette. The stuff they mix up now kills. I end up pounding on their chest giving them life saving medications to get them back and many times their brain is to far gone for them to have a meaningful life after. I’m tire of ppl saying marijuana is safe. Check out CAT scans and MRI scans before you speaks. How dare you exspouse false information you’ve heard from ppl who have not educated themselves on the matter. Educate yourself then theorize don’t just say what comes into your mind but actually educate yourself before saying something; saying stupid things only to find out later you are wrong is embarrassing. This is why ron Paul is such a tool. I find it hard to vote for any of these politicians; they all say what others tell them to say without first educating themselves.
  
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WillG
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:58am
Ex-Con with Guns,imagine that? Put as many Gun Laws on the Books as you please Government,put simply it will not stop criminals.

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- encinom
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:24am
  Time to ban all assault rifles, manditory buy backs and arresting gun nuts that continue to own such weapons. Military styled weapons and magazines have no purpose in the civilan world.
  
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- Mandors
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:05am
  Illegal gun. Buy back would not do anything. Ban won’t do anything.
  
  Encimon still needs to spool up medication.
  
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- XScramblerX
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:07am
  It’s time to teach the traitors that they can’t take our rights away!
  
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- burdenedsoul
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:15am
  Guns are illegal in China so if you want to kill a bunch of people all you need is a blade and a bad attitude….
  
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- wantsfreedom
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:17am
  encinom if you so do not like the constitution MOVE to a country that fits your nees
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:52am
  In Encinoms world the government is the answer to everything, doing what he would like would make everywhere dangerous, progressives like to spread misery……..The second amendmend gives the others meaning. now go play with your Easybake oven Encinom……
  
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- Techcon
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:14pm
  @encinoman,
  
  You really are a basket case of stupidity, aren’t you? You DID slip into the truth, however, when you termed the civilian version of the AR-15—AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE SINCE 1959—as, “…military styled…”
  
  Bravo!
  
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- encinom
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:17pm
  XScramblerX
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:07am
  It’s time to teach the traitors that they can’t take our rights away!
  ________________
  Unless you are in a well regulated miltia you have no right to take away.
  
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- Techcon
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:34pm
  @encinoman,
  
  Again, absolute STUIDITY on parade!
  
  If the militia belongs to a “Free State,” then HOW IN THE HELL CAN THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT REGULATE (BAN) ITS ARMS!
  
  Right, it can’t.
  
  N. Korea is WAITING!
  
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- FreedomFray
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:10pm
  ENCINOM:
  
  It is people of the likes of you that are far, far more dangerous to this country than any nut-job with a gun on a killing spree. As horrific as these killings are, they can’t come close to the misery, suffering, treachery and death afflicted upon people of a tyrannous government.
  
  Your line of thinking IS AN ABSOLUTE THREAT to freedom.
  
  I, by far, fear you so much more than a Spengler or Lanza type – that it is not even measurable.
  
  I believe, LITERALLY, in “live free or die”.
  
  Wake up you fool.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:44pm
  Encinom, to bad your parents were not in the Warsaw ghetto during WWII. With all your leftie buddies calling for the deaths of white people, conservatives, and lately the NRA, you might be getting some bullets but you will not be confiscation any guns. Not now, not ever, you can not win that fight.
  
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RIGS
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:44am
Here is a animal who used a hammer to kill his grandmother and the LIBERAL PROSICUTOR of the half ass state of new york let him plead his case down to manslaughter when he should nave been put a way for life. He got out to commit more murders nice going you LIBERAL MORONS and then just like the head LIBERAL MARXIST OBAMA you blame every body else for your LIBERAL STUPIDITY…………………………….

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- Proverbs17-12NLT
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:11am
  These people with mental issues when identified need to be locked up in insane asylums to protect the greater good of society. These genetic malfunctions are getting away with too much these days. We also need to ease and speed up Death penalty cases, these people need to meet there fate in Hell for eternity way faster than the process that’s currently in place.
  
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- oneshiner
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 12:05pm
  People like this man are the sick ones who get out of jail and do dirty deeds against decent people. . They are sick. My wish is they do harm against those who want them freed, not the decent people. The rest of us don’t deserve these nut cases roaming the streets causing the rest of us this kind of harm. Those poor firefighters. Sick in the head, angry types don’t belong freed in our society.
  
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RaydocX
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:41am
Uhm, is the author trying to point out that a good Remington 700 or Winchester Model 64 might have killed ALL of the firefighters? Because instead it smacks of the alarmism the media is pushing across the board to further gun control aims. Once again, even the Blaze seems intent on demonizing the gun…

Maybe he should have set something to smoldering, filled the house with gas, and blown it up when the fire department went in… would Blaze be helping to advocate banning propane or gas heating, then?

And it was NOT just reporting the facts… there is a clear attitude about the weapon used, rather than just a statistical acconting of what was used.

Wake up and stop being part of the problem, Blaze!
Why no reporting of the criminal justice system failure as the big issue?
Why no notation of mental health?

Lost the bias.

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- kodster5
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:02pm
  When cutbacks started happening in the mental health industry, the asylums that were holding these lunatics closed. That put these people out on the streets, homeless, no place to go, because the system failed them. We are suffering the consequences of this drastic decision. Do you think MOST families can afford taking care of mentally ill family members? Nope… the average ones cannot, because they make too much money to qualify for assistance from the federal government… so the sick end up falling through the cracks, and end up in situations like these shooting incidents. None of these people should have had access to weapons, yet, somehow, they did. All the gun control advocates don’t want to accept that the black market will explode, when the gun bans take affect… and that’s how these mentally ill criminals get their guns.
  
  However, law-abiding citizens who buy guns have to have them registered, so that when the guns get taken away, the federal government knows exactly where to go to confiscate them. It’s the law-abiding citizen who ends up with the short end of the stick, trying to defend themselves against these sick people.
  
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thop1960
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:41am
Gun laws are not designed for criminals, they are designed for law abiding citizens. They are created by progressives to reduce the opposition to the total takover of citizen rights in favor of government control. If they de-arm the public, it makes it easier to do whatever they want to do. How many times in history have we seen this happen and yet here we are again, falling right in lock step, whining about it, but letting them disarm us without a fight. Republicans let the left define the argument everytime one of these crimes happens. They start to give in, little by little, which is what progressives do. They work the public like a thousand dollar a night ******. They take their time because they know the payoff is worth it. We are being slowly stroked, over and over again until we finely acquiesce. Think about it.

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- kodster5
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:05pm
  Very true. However, my household will go down with a fight, taking as many with us that come to confiscate our guns. They won’t be taken easily.
  
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piper60
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:27am
Sounds to me, like whatever demon that possessed this boy(I won’t call him a man) to murder his own grandmother, came back to finish the job.

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Jive Mickey
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:26am
Didn’t it occur to anyone that this recent rash of high-profile shootings is a curious co-inky-dink?
The UN starts pushing for the Arms Trade Treaty, which has a provision buried in it that all civilians eventually be disarmed. Hillary Clinton indicates that the US will commit to it. The People’s Republic of China decides that the US should disarm all it’s citizens (while they put theirs in uniforms and arm them). Obama promises the gun grabbers that after he is re-elected that he would work vigorously for more gun legislation. Next thing you know, maniacs are popping up everywhere shooting up malls, schools and movie theaters with (gasp) AR-15 “assault rifles”. (Gee, whatever happend to the AK-47?) … and oh my, the guy shot himself. How convenient. Either that or he is so whacked out that he doesn’t remember a thing. Now the media and the anti-gun zealots are foaming at the mouth for Gun Control. Anyone sense that anything is wrong here? That somehow this is all a setup and we are not getting the whole story? … You are listening to WJA-FM talk radio … Wait Just A Friggin’ Minute!

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:04am
  I agree. They are up to something. I also notice that all of the dupes kill themselves. They are programmed to do that. The goon in Aurora, Co theater should have also, but his programming was not complete. This definitely smells.
  
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- benjaminmartin7.62
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:20am
  I was thinking the same thing…Seems to be the weapon of choice. All criminals get their hands on a $1200 rifle instead of a $300 AK. You don’t think the DOJ or the BATFE could be behind anything shady to push the agenda a little faster and furious down the road?
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:48am
  Mil dot: Google Scopolomine aka Devils Breath We weaponized it sixty years ago. Maybe not here, maybe not there, but a standard procedure in black ops. The signature is suicide of the patsey.
  
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- kodster5
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:11pm
  My husband and I believe the same thing… suddenly, we can’t go 2-3 days, without a major shooting incident, from someone who shouldn’t have had access to weapons in the first place. And in every incident, from Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, to Gabby Giffords’ (which was really set up to kill the judge that went to see her at her rally), on down the line to Adam Lanza and the Sandy Hook Elementary School, there were mysterious individuals that were in the company of the perpetrators, who disappeared into the background, never to be seen again… yet enough witnesses saw them, and they were reported. Now, Eric Holder has been connected to the the Oklahoma City bombing, through the FBI and DOJ. I don’t know about this latest shooting with the firefighters and Spengler, but I wouldn’t be surprised in the least that’s how Spengler got his expensive weapons.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:57pm
  Scopolamine aka DevilsBreath. classic black ops.
  
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Omaof19
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:23am
My Bible says: “Thou shalt not kill.” It doesn’t say ‘Thou shalt not have a gun.” Then we should ban everything that kills. Medication, Alcohol, Cars, Planes,Hammers, baseball bats, trees etc.

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- Wolf
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:50am
  Check the translation- it probably says, ‘Thou shall not commit murder’.
  
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- Omaof19
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:59am
  Exodus 20; 13. KJV Thou shalt not kill.
  Deuteronomy 5:0 KJV Thou shalt not kill
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:02am
  The translation- says ‘Thou shall not commit kill’, if you are a liberal Christian or a liberal troll.
  
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- Omaof19
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:36am
  The Bible in Exodus and Deut. says “Thou shalt not kill.’ meaning your neighbor. First table of commandments is about loving God above all and second table about loving your neighbor as your self. I was being sarcastic with the items that people say kill. The blame always lies on the human killer not the object.. Cain killed Abel. The object wasn’t blamed for the murder, the murderer was punished..
  
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- ENIGMA28724
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:27am
  I am told the original text said “Thou shall not commit murder”. Not being a linguist I cannot confirm that. Nothing mentioned about not killing in self defense.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:26am
  Thou shall not MURDER is the translation from Hebrew. We are commanded not to spill innocent blood many times. Ya reckon that applies to infants too?
  
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turkey13
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:09am
I hope the judge and the jury members remember this trial and go to their death beds with the blood of these folks that were killed because some judge & jury got a good touchey tingling feeling for giving this animal a 2nd chance. A person that kills their grandmother with a hammer should have got the death penalty. This reminds me of an article I read about 10 years ago. A judge felt that a phedophile could be rehabalitated and gave him a 2nd chance. Six months later he broke into the judges daughters house and he raped the judges 5 year old grand daughter.

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- MDECKER
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 11:41am
  Guns don’t kill people, Judges, Parole Commissions, and Attorneys kill people. What are the names and addresses of the people responsible for this guy being released after he killed his grandma? If we’re going to make the same information available for people abiding by the Constitution’s 2nd Amendment, we should follow a similar practice.
  
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- kodster5
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:16pm
  Most jury panels do not determine the penalty… they may make recommendations, but it’s the judges that actually make the final decision. In this case, the judge presiding over the case made the decision to accept the plea bargain made by the prosecutor, and accepted by the defendant. The judge didn’t have to accept the plea bargain, either. So, it’s on the judge’s hands, only, for allowing this mentally deranged boy to go free and continue to kill again.
  
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Sister_Mary
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:09am
He killed his grandmother with a hammer !!! Why in the hell was he ever allowed out?

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moreteaplease
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:59am
“….a .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26.”

“….including a military-style “assault” rifle….”
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Yeah, lets be sure to point this out Jonathon. You strike me as gun control advocate with this article.

“He was equipped to go to war, kill innocent people,” the chief said of a felon who wasn’t allowed to possess weapons because of his criminal past. It was not clear how he got them.”
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And all of the gun control laws the liberals can come up with won’t stop people like this from getting guns either….guaranteed.

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- fluffdog
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:55am
  one more point; the Bushmaster rifle WAS NOT USED IN THE CT SHOOTING. It was in his car, many yards away. This ******* writer needs to get his “facts” straight.
  
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- ENIGMA28724
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:33pm
  It is clear to many how he got it. Illegally, like most criminals. The law didn’t seem to hinder him in the least, just law abiding citizens.
  
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wingedwolf
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:54am
So are they all proud of themselves for letting him out of jail?

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bemo234
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:53am
He served 17 years in prison for manslaughter in the 1980 hammer slaying of his grandmother?!?!
Manslaughter is the unplanned killing of another person (his grandmother!).

This guy woke up and beat his grandmother in the head with a hammer! And rather than executing him they let him out in just 17 years!

The problem is not guns!!! It’s the azz lumps we have running our government!!!

We have to start throwing these a-moral incompetent bastards out!

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- Wolf
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:06am
  That sure worked well for us in ’10, didn’t it?
  
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bethy85
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:43am
“and a .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26.” Do the reporters on The Blaze copy and paste articles instead of writing it themselves? If so, they need to proofread before they post. If not, I was under the impression that The Blaze was so far removed from liberal media who loves to blame killings on guns. Excuse me, but the .223 Bushmaster didn’t kill 26 in Newtown, a maniac 20 year old did. The .223 Bushmaster didn’t kill a firefighter here, that maniac who was let out of prison after killing his grandmother with a hammer did! And what in the world is the prison system for if a person who is sick enough to kill family with a hammer can get freed? There’s no rehabilitating that level of evil! None! Sick.

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- DougHuffman
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:05am
  I believe DaBlasé is pandering to the muddled middle, just as the lamestream media does, trying to squeeze the cash-cow’s teat even harder. Are all these Blazing Bloggers working for free, for what are they being paid and from whose pocket? Not mine. When DaBlasé fades into newsweak, we’ll still be here.
  
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- Dr.Fez
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:12am
  I read it more as the Massacre being the subject here, as opposed to the firearm.
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:26am
  The good doctor has fallen victim to ‘framing’. The blog-mot is framed as about the massacre, we’re all against that, but slips in mis-information advocating progressive gun-control.
  
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- kodster5
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 1:22pm
  Please keep in mind that it has been reported that all of the casings found in the Sandy Hook school massacre were .223 rifle casings; however, the gun suspected of being used was found locked in the trunk of the car that Adam stole from his mother (now dead), so it was never brought inside. And then they videotaped the extraction of the gun from the trunk, and lo and behold, it’s not a Bushmaster AR rifle, but a SHOTGUN! They showed the trooper ejecting the shells (which destroyed evidence, as they did it). So, where did the rifle come from? Witnesses reported seeing a man disappearing into the woods behind the school during the attack, and he was wearing black clothing… I suspect that this was the actual shooter, and Adam Lanza was just a patsy (like Lee Harvey Oswald, in JFK’s killing). Dead men don’t talk.
  
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- ranepowel
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 3:14pm
  lol on with the tinfoil hat, sir.
  
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conservativeone
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:39am
For this man, “guns” were banned, yet he still managed to ignore the law and get them.
And why would a man that killed his grandmother with a hammer, ever be allowed out of prison?

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- turkey13
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:01am
  All one has to do to get a gun is go to the hood and offer green cash for whats on your shopping list. If this don’t work find a crooked cop and he will sell you one that has been turned in for cash. People are getting rich off the folks that are dumb enough to believe that all the guns turned in will be melted. Smart police don’t want to be the only ones to go up against armed gangs and thugs. Some gangs have more members that the police depts.
  
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justangry
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:31am
“He was equipped to go to war, kill innocent people,” the chief said of a felon who wasn’t allowed to possess weapons because of his criminal past. It was not clear how he got them.

Yet they’ll argue we need more laws that obviously don’t work.

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- Dustoff
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 10:56am
  Bingo.
  
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- ranepowel
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 3:16pm
  The person he got/stole the gun from obtained it legally. Take away the ability to obtain guns legally and you take away the ability for them to be used illegally. That’s just basic logic, which is beyond most of you fear mongering SOBs
  
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- Sua-Sponte
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:03pm
  “Take away the ability to obtain guns legally and you take away the ability for them to be used illegally.”
  
  Not true . . . on so many levels.
  
  Heroin can not be purchased legally, yet it is readily available to those with criminal intent. Are you so naive to think that outlawing legal gun ownership will result in criminals not having guns?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 4:20pm
  “The person he got/stole the gun from obtained it legally”
  
  You don’t know that. He could have gotten them from Eric Holder. I mean, if he were a Mexican national exporting weed and meth to the US while murdering 1000′s of their own people. Bad people in foreign countries get the good stuff too. Not like the semi-automatic crap we’re allowed to have. Hell they even get stinger missiles.
  
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Mandors
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:26am
“a felon who wasn’t allowed to possess weapons because of his criminal past. It was not clear how he got them.”

Nuff said. Criminal with illegal weapons.

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- oneshiner
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 12:13pm
  This is why they say: “When they take away guns from us, only criminals will have guns”
  Just look at Mexico. Guns not allowed, except for the mofia and bad people who get all they want.
  
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poorrichard09
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:24am
Amen, and amen!
He was a FELON (for murder no less) in posession (sp) of a gun-against the law, but as we know only honest, honorable people obey the law.

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schlepnier
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:20am
See how well those gun laws work on criminals……

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jungle J
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:15am
We contionue to have these media designed events because of the progressive gang that rules America. Many are religious fanatics others are greedy lazy pigs and many are the mentally ill….that is who makes up the progressives. This group rules based on veiled hate and the media is their leader. Only the sane understand. The media has become the Hitler of our time.

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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:32am
  The media has become the propaganda of Obama and the progressives of our time; this will be hyped one more time as another ‘reason to disarm the nations people.’
  
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sandlakebob
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:03am
In is early 40s, this sub-human maniac killed his grandmother with a hammer !!
Why the hell was he ever permitted to walk among civilized human-beings again ???

Plea bargaining, that’s why……………..

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:18am
  Not to mention that early parole too.
  
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SmellyDog
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:01am
Well now, another criminal got his hands on firearms. Doesn’t he know that is against the law? And of course, the military style assault rifle. Sure Feinstein is feeling pretty giddy about this!

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- loriann12
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:24am
  Has anyone else noticed that all these shooters are using the SAME guns? It’s almost like someone supplied them with a .223 rifle and ammo….wait, didn’t DHS buy up a bunch of .223 ammo? Just sayin’
  
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- Mandors
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:27am
  @Loriann Yep, at some point there are too many coincidences to be just coincidence.
  
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Baracalypse
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 7:58am
The anti gun media and gun grabbers will be frothing at the mouth over this one.

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Stuck_in_CA
Posted on December 26, 2012 at 7:56am
You need to read this: The latest from “DHS Insider” http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/print-friendly/52005

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- randy
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 8:38am
  Scary stuff! This needs to be out there…..
  
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- IOWAGIR
  Posted on December 26, 2012 at 9:22am
  Hey Stuck, great story/link. It sounds crazy but I belive it. All you have to do is take a look at what is going on. Don’t you think it’s odd that every big shooting lately has the AR15 invoulved and the media is fanning the flames. Obama recently stated something about the military working with local police…everything that can be done to destroy the dollar is being done. We are in bizzaro world. Hope all the Blazers had a good Christmas!
  
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