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If you don’t like corny puns, then click away now. That’s because a German shoe company has created a new pair of shoes targeting atheists. In other words, Atheists now have the chance to buy some soles.
Here are the latest shoes being marketed to the Godless by a company simply called “Atheist.” The bottoms of the shoes include the phrase “Ich bin atheist,” which in German translates to “I am an atheist”:
Atheist shoes (Source: Atheistberlin.com)
(Source: Atheistberlin.com)
(Source: Atheistberlin.com)
“Is there anything more beautiful in life than the pure, sweet, wondrous innocence of an unblemished, open and untainted soul?” the company says on its site.
It then quickly adds some vulgarity:
Yes… the delightful process of getting that sole so [fu**ing] filthily dirty, and soiling its purity with so much titiliating sin and hedonistic whoredom that it can scarcely remember what colour it was to begin with.
This creamy, blank canvas of a handmade shoeling is resplendent in her off-white milky maidenhood… but not for long, the little nymph, for you will introduce her to the real world… blemishing and sullying her with every step you take.
You’re about to make a grown-up of this shoe.
But the cream-colored shoe is only the latest in a line of non-deity footwear. There are plenty of other options available:
Just some of the other options available in the company’s online store. (Source: Atheistberlin.com)
If you’ve never heard about this company and are wondering what it’s all about, here’s how it describes itself:
We are an incredulity of atheists, living in Berlin and furiously dedicating our days to not believing in god. Ok, that’s not true; we barely ever think about god, let alone about being atheists.
But, when one of us had the peculiar idea to make a handmade ‘atheist shoe’, we thought that sounded rather endearing and fun. And when the idea went gangbusters on reddit.com, we decided we had to roll up our sleeves and make the atheist shoe a reality.
The “about” section also includes sections titled “We don’t believe in any God” and “Taking the God out of good.”
The shoes sell for 129 Euro — or about $170.
(H/T: Getaddictedto.com)
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South Philly Boy
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:55amShoe company should go BANKRUPT
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searcher619
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:25amWhy? Simply because you don’t like their view? Please explain to me how your wishing them ill because they dared to make light of your belief is any different than the radical Islamist wishing death to anyone who does the same with Mohamed? Get a grip.
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Kaoscontrol
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:28amActually, shoes and atheists have much in common… Both have eyes that are blind, and tongues that can’t say anything of substance. The longer you keep them around, the worse they stink…especially when you have to scrape off the crap they step in regularly. Like shoes, most atheists are tightly bound up by opinions that unravel easily. Atheists are empty and lost… often deep in darkness or (the gay ones) the closet. Argue with an atheist and, in a short time he will experience DE-FEET.
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pdw
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:30amJust one more way to make money.
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Truthbeliever2
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:10amSEARCHER619, Why don’t you give the words you write some thought before you actually put them down for others to read. You sound like an absolute jack-ass.
Did you just compare someone’s dislike of a shoe company as being the same as wishing death on somebody????????????????????????????????????????????
You are the one who needs to get a grip. NO NO NO take your hand off of your stick, I mean GET A GRIP ON REALITY. Moron
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searcher619
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:24amTruthbeliever2:
your reading comprehension is lacking. He is wishing the company goes out of business simply because they are making light of something he believes in. This is the same **** radical Islamists do when you make light of their religion. So yes they are alike. Same idiotic reasoning. Same idiotic overreaction and intolerance. I don’t expect someone the the limited mental processing capacity you clearly seem to have to actually understand this.
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IspytheGov
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:36amAnd just ugly looking too.
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z32tt
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:53am@ searcher619: explain how truthbeliever’s reading comprehension is lacking. Did you not compare someone’s wish for a company to go out of business to radical islamists killing people? I gathered the same assessment of your irrational and vindictive rant. If you fail to see what’s wrong with your statement, then clearly your lack of morals is the product of your choice to be an atheist. Do we need to spoon-feed you? Here you go: a business is not a living being. Ponder on that for a while before further touting your ignorance for all to see.
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Ollie123
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:11pmatheist have their souls on their feet, I have mine in my heart!!
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Walkabout
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:25pmSouth Philly Boy
I don’t care if they go bankrupt or not. I assume that they can muddle a long for a long time in a niche market.
We should have faith, water off a duck’s back. If they go bankrupt, well no tears here. :)
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GuruMeditation
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:52pmThey likely will go broke if that’s their only product. The shoes really look pretty gay as well.
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CABERNETQHS
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:54pmThey probably will go bankrupt. Most bowlers I know are Christian.
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COFemale
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 1:18pmWell it will be easy to know who priest should give extra last rites should the need arise or who to say “your are on your own, there is no hope for you unless you repent”. Also, it will make it easy to pinpoint who are atheist or sympathizers.
The point of capitalism is to produce a product to sell to a specified target group; there is nothing wrong with this. I won’t be buying any of those shoes, but acknowledge their right to do so.
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Gorp
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 3:15pmI’d rather spend my $170 on ammo and mags for my weapons. I think I will. Bye, got to order some now.
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Protoham
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 4:13pmSeems fair, Atheist always want to boycott things related to religion.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 5:26pm“”Why? Simply because you don’t like their view? Please explain to me how your wishing them ill because they dared to make light of your belief is any different than the radical Islamist wishing death to anyone who does the same with Mohamed?”
You’re not joking?
The difference has to do with that little five-letter word in your post… DEATH. Hello?
If someone disagrees with another, they have the right to wish the other not to get enough financial reward for their wrongness. Atheists accept this because they loudly blare it out at every opportunity when a believer dares charge money for a book or whatever. They often go so far as to allege that the religion itself is nothing but a money racket. Well… mirror to face. :P
And note that they basically admit they’re not really nonreligious. They have a religion of sex-worship. Really no different from countless other types of idolatry in history, including of sex. Antirationally taking for granted part of God’s creation, not giving credit and thanks to Him for it, but seeking to enjoy it anyways (and misusing it sometimes). Yet without God they would not have anything, not even their own existence — living contradictions. Very sad — but I pray that some will realize their mistake and come to Jesus. ^_^
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MohammadShapiro
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 5:33pmHe has just as much a right to ‘make light’ of their position as they do his, then. It is you who are taking the fascist line, Search. Don’t make yourself out to be a hypocrite.
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U4eeeahhh
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 6:44pm@ Kaoscontrol – 2 Gold Stars for the best creative writing I have seen on the Blaze in ages. Not that I agree with any of it, being an atheist, but that doesn’t stand in the way of my appreciating a clever bit of word play.
Kudos
Max
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paco
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:16pmI have to laugh at atheists when they state they base their opinions on “science”, or “rationality” or best of all, “common sense”. Funny, as common sense tells me that without creation there would be nothing. Why is there a universe, a galaxy, a planet, life, sentient thought? LOL. Why is there something? Because anything, even empty space, is something. There is not nothing. Was there ever nothing? Do you know? If there was how did something begin? If there wasn’t then how was there always something? Open your mind, your atheism is more feeble and weak than all religions combined. It is a fear of thought and examination of concepts too big for human minds to fully comprehend. Based on man’s perceived knowledge at the time…atheists are the flat earthers of the present.
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Taquoshi
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:37pmActually, I think it’s hilarious, particularly the part where they have a section titled “Taking the God out of good.” I don’t know how this would work in German, but in English, if you take “god” out of the word “good”, you are left with a big, fat “0″.
And I’ve always been a proponent of truth in advertising. It doesn’t get much better than this….
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DIgnified
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:52pmTo all the people getting irate at the poster who made the islamic comparison. I have seen death threats on this site over things like nativities and guns. Its an apt comparison. Don’t like being labeled bigoted violent aholes? Stop being bigoted violent aholes. Problem solved.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:25pm” I don’t know how this would work in German, but in English, if you take “god” out of the word “good”, you are left with a big, fat “0″.”
Lol.
That’s Gott and gut. I guess it would be “u – t”. Or something. Incidentally, they’ve accidentally shone a light on an important point; the whole concept of “good”, in English and in its source languages, rests its logical foundation on God. It’s not a coincidence those words are so similar. Those who invented these languages understood what has eluded the “rational” atheists.
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LovingJesus
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:45pmThey are the ugliest shoes I’ve ever seen, just like the atheist.
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LovingJesus
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:51pmI wouldn’t pay two cents for them.
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Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:03pmPeople have the right to not believe in God & to broadcast their lack of belief for all to see. Of course, they also take responsibility for where their choices will land them. Decisions have consequences.
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Lizzyinallthings
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:50am@KaosControl
I believe that your homosexual bashing is probably embarrassing to many self described Christians.
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NeoFan
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 2:24amWhy buy a pair when you can just go bowling and forget to put your own shoes back on?
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decendentof56
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 6:21amKAOSCONTROL…..Very cleavor! BRAVO!
What is it with these hateful people? Don’t understand what I mean by “hateful”? Think Bill Mahar!
He calls the NRA complicit, gun owners killers, but in the next breath defends abortion.
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Crazyotto
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 9:55amKaoscontrol …pretty funny… The shoes in reality …suck… unless you are some Euro-trash twit… who cares?
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far2right
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:37am@SEARCHER619
Wow, from bankruptcy to death. Quite a stretch don’t ya think?
Is that because you are a religion hater? Yes it is.
Just yesterday you posted:
“Dick’s Sporting Goods Refusing to Honor Military-Style Rifle Orders Placed Before CT Shooting
December 28, 2012 at 2:42pm
These gun are only cosmetically made to look like military weapons. They are FAR from being military grade rifles. Dick’s needs to dropped by gun vendors. Teach these idiots that screwing their customers and messing with LEGAL gun sales was a stupid move.”
So, using your own logic, please explain to me how your wishing Dick’s Sporting Goods ill because they dared to make light of your belief in gun ownership is any different than the radical Islamist wishing death to anyone who does the same with Mohamed? Get a grip.
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sgallion1
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 3:11pmDon’t worry. They will not only go bankrupt…..they will be visited upon by many other problems. They have unknowingly invited curses upon themselves and assured that their company’s demise
“God will not be mocked, you will reap what you sow.”
Yes…their dirty filthy godless soles…..will walk their souls straight to hell.. Unless of course, they come to their senses and repent and ask forgiveness through Christ. May God have mercy on them.
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Almonds
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:39pmSearcher asked “Why? Simply because you don’t like their view? Please explain to me how your wishing them ill because they dared to make light of your belief is any different than the radical Islamist wishing death to anyone who does the same with Mohamed? Get a grip.”
Reply: Their purpose in creating this company is to support Atheists who wish ill on anyone who does not follow their Atheist religion (and anything can be made into a religion just as these atheist have done with theirs.).
Their whole marketing campaign is about taking “New soles and dirtying them up with the filth of the world”.
Since they oppose those who have faith there is nothing wrong with those of faith, opposing them.
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ccrnurse848
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 11:53pmbankrupt indeed!
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Bham4plus
Posted on December 30, 2012 at 2:19pmKAOSCONTROL thanks for the laugh. Very clever.
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sligresda
Posted on December 30, 2012 at 9:04pm@ caber, i too was thinking they looked like bowling shoes!
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grimmster
Posted on December 30, 2012 at 10:10pmsearcher = encinom,nuff said……..
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54smom
Posted on December 31, 2012 at 12:39amNo, because they make ugly shoes.
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:46amTo say you believe in no Gods, shows you know their is Gods, you just choose to not believe in them.
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RobbieTLHughie
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:21amlol…
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searcher619
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:28amWrong. To say there is no God(s) is the same as saying God(s) exists. Both are based on faith. People like you are funny to me. How can you not see how flawed your logic is?
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DeavonReye
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:18amhehehehehe. . . . . Proverbs17-12NLT believes in aliens and faeries. Awesome!
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morostheos
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:27am@searcher619
No, the really funny part is that atheists decry faith without realizing their position is totally dependent on faith since, as they are quick to point out, you can’t prove a negative. So if you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist it must necessarily be a position based on faith.
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zorro
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 1:03pmAthiests are the biggest religious zealots I know.
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youguysaretheworst
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 1:50pmhahahahahahaha. proverbs17-12nlt your original comment is hilarious. “by not believing in God means they believe in God?” Huh? Seems like some sound logic there. I don’t believe leprechauns exist, does that mean I believe they exist?
Honestly I don’t understand why we are arguing whether or not atheists have faith in things. Obviously “faith” exists. Atheists don’t “decry” faith. That is outrageous. Atheists decry blind faith. Faith in things that have been disproved by science, history, and common sense. I have faith that my car will make it to the store without breaking down. Does that make me some kind of closet believer in God?
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 5:50pmMorostheos hit the nail on the head.
I do agree with you on one thing, Searcher; I don’t think it’s logical to say that basically stating disbelief in God is admitting he exists. (Just say saying we don’t believe in Klingons doesn’t mean Klingons exist lol.) Although I do think everybody deep down has realized that he exists, and they reveal this accidentally in a lot of ways (such as rampant contradictions where they try to appeal to absolute morality even while claiming not to accept its foundation).
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 5:56pm“Obviously “faith” exists. Atheists don’t “decry” faith. That is outrageous.”
If you’ve spent any time listening to them, reading their blogs, etc. you know they definitely do. An easy quote to find was in Expelled, from that Pharyngula blogger guy who said something like “this thing they call ‘faith’”. Yes I forget the exact quote. But he’s said that and worse on his blog all the time too; I’ve seen it.
They decry sighted faith, sound, logical faith. They lump that in with blind faith, and use the valid criticisms of fake faiths fallaciously as a Hasty Generalization of biblical believers. And they use blind faith themselves; the blindest of them all as always comes out in extended discussions with them, so that’s inherently contradictory. Belief in some kind of a creator is required to be rational in this world since the evidence is so clear and everywhere. Other considerations have to be used to narrow down which is correct (if any, and things like the unfakeable prophecies prove that the Bible is the true one; actually inspired from the infinite, beyond-time Creator God, etc.).
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youguysaretheworst
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:16pmBONESIII
Although I hate repeating myself, I will say again: atheists decry faith in something that has zero evidence to back it up, besides a book written by men centuries ago. What is stopping me from writing my own book and saying it was inspired by God? It has happened countless times throughout history.
You state “the evidence is so clear everywhere.” Explain that, please. Where? Where is the evidence clear? Because things exist? Because of “unfakeable prophecies”? Which prophecies were unfakeable.?
Also, how are atheists blindly faithful? I shouldn’t have to ask all these questions. Provide me with some concrete examples.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:32pm“What is stopping me from writing my own book and saying it was inspired by God?”
Your inability to make unfakeable prophecies, over and over again, among many other things. You also could not make it so detailed and so perfectly logically consistent (as understood when studied in-context carefully and objectively, though biased athiests like to allege any contradiction they can imagine on the slightest whim, heh). The prophecies thing is a big part of it. Also, you could not so accurately predict countless things science later proved that would seem to contradict the “common sense” of the people of the time, like temporal relativity, orb-shaped Earth rather than flat, expanding universe, many archeological finds confirming its reliability in that field, design features so clearly in biology and even basic physics rather than evolutionary predictions, tectonics, the many geological features from wide-scale flood action, etc. This list could go on but limited space here.
Basically, all the reasons why those who like me have really earnestly done our homework objectively trying to figure out whether it’s true, listening to both sides (for ten years +, in my case) have concluded that yes, it is true, and it is like no other. :) And also all the things that the typical athiest is forcefully kept ignorant of, sadly.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:38pm“Because things exist?”
That’s part of what proves that there must be a particular type of Creator, yes, and one that is required to rationally explain the existence of the Bible too, but it’s not fair to phrase it so simplistically.
It’s complicated, but it basically rests on the laws of causality. Every cause is in turn an effect of a preceding cause within time. This leaves us with only two mathematical possibilities, one of which can then be turned down. Either there has been an infinite string of finite causes in time, or there had to have been a truly infinite single cause that is beyond time. If the former, that still begs the question of why it has that setup (and there is good experimental support for the idea that time itself had a beginning). Atheism is basically the denial that these are the only two possibilities, presented totally blindly and in contradiction to the laws of causality.
Further analysis shows some features this Infinite Cause must have; to be truly infinite, must have the capability of producing all qualities in this known existence, including life. Basically as we move through Him in time, we experience Him as if here were alive, though technically he is infinitely beyond mere life. Must be Holy, Love, etc. and also the beyond-time nature is what gives Him and only Him the ability to give real prophecies. Once we establish that only the Bible fits these requirements, we can accept it.
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youguysaretheworst
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:16amBONESIII
Wow. You are right. What you said was very complicated. I’d say more incoherent than anything though. Look, if me and my buddies wrote 66 books where we made a bunch of predictions about the future and explanations for the past, chances are we would get something right (although I can guarantee nearly every example you are referring to is based on a a vague and probably incorrect interpretation of cryptic and ancient text). How about all the fallacies and incorrect predictions that were made in the Bible? (the Earth is 4000 years old, is just one example) How about the fact that any rational, sane person making observations about the world could make similar predictions? The Earth was believed to be orb-shaped thousands of years before Christ was ever believed to have been alive. Aristotle, Pythagoras, and just everyday sailors accurately observed that the earth was spherical based on simply viewing the shape of the horizon. Not a prophecy. Just logical observation. Moving on: you clearly know the “causal argument,” which, while an impressive display of memorization, is meaningless. You cannot just assume there is divine cause. Right, something had to cause the Universe to come to be, but there are other explanations that make far more sense than a bearded puppeteer. Also, If everything has a cause, what created God? If God’s existence has no cause, your entire argument is moot. Saying there are only two explanations shows how ignorant you people are.
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DeavonReye
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 9:02amAs for “prophesy”, . . . Bones said, “as understood when studied in-context carefully and objectively”. From what I have seen, most of them were stories [from the past] that happened to have relatively similar happenings [because life and experiences ARE similar at times]. BUT, not the whole story. Just small snippets that SOUND like the Jesus narrative. Parts of the SAME story that DON’T match with “messianic prophesy” are not included in the “prophesy”. So yeah, you CAN make things into “prophesy” if you place them in YOUR context [not yours, Bones, but the general apologist]. Most are uncompelling. And when you read the NON-”prophetic” parts of the story that DIDN’T get added, it makes the entire story suspect, and just “people trying to make their religion seem supernatural” [able to see into the future]. Then, you have “prophesy” that isn’t even FOUND in previous passages, just labeled “as was said by the prophets”.
What we see in nature doesn’t point to “a creator”. If it did, I would have to question the ability OF “the designer”. Far from the “perfection” you would expect from “a perfect designer”. And “sin entering in” doesn’t answer all the issues.
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stone2016
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 9:58amyouguysaretheworst…I typically do not engage in arguments to prove/disprove the Bible, it’s a waste of everyone’s time. However, I would like to point out that not everyone’s belief in God is based on a book. If your belief in God is based only on the Bible, your belief is in the Bible, not God. Since you are an atheist, just know that most of the time the Bible is typically used to build upon one’s faith, it is not the foundation. So finding things to disprove the Bible, typically doesn’t have the affect you think it should have.
For most of us who believe in God, it’s much deeper than a book. It’s true that I don’t have an answer to everything in the Bible, but I believe in God, so I don’t need a complete understanding of everything in that book to prove it. You shouldn’t feel a need to spend so much of your time trying to disprove the Bible to us, most of the time, it only seems as if you’re trying desprately to continually prove to yourself its not true. I openly discuss my beliefs with those that want to listen because I believe my faith and the way I live my life based on my faith makes me happier and I want to share it with others. I don’t want to argue or belittle anyone’s belief, I know what I know and wish to share it. We would be better served on this topic and in general if we spent less time trying to disprove what someone else believes and more time discussing what we actually believe. Generalizations of another’s belief is almost always compl
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stone2016
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 10:21amDeavonreye…you make a compleling point. It’s tough to see why the world is the way it is if there is a perfect Creator. But have you ever considered your perspective might not match that of the Creator? If there were a Creator, what is the purpose for creating all this stuff and does that purpose explain why things aren’t perfect here? Is He/She creating, just to create, which makes your point that it should then be perfect? but if He/She is creating with a purpose, what would it be? If there is no purpose, is perfection in my eyes the same as in the eyes of the Creator? So many questions you could still seek answers to, why stop at things aren’t as perfect as I think they should be, so there is nothing.
I ask questions about my faith all the time. I still haven’t found anything scientific that makes me disbelieve in God, but I have had to change the way I look at the world and God’s creations. Maybe one day science will find someway to prove a Creator was not needed or could not be a reasonable explanation. Until then we should all continually seek the truth, no matter what we find at the end.
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Luke21
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:18am@searcher619
who said:
“Wrong. To say there is no God(s) is the same as saying God(s) exists. Both are based on faith. People like you are funny to me. How can you not see how flawed your logic is?”
To assert that there is NO God requires ALL KNOWLEDGE – thus a fools game (you’d have to be God to have all knowledge :-) & thus you have made a self-contradicting statement). ‘The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” ‘ – Psalms 14 & 53
Where there is evidence of design (e.g. DNA, atomic structure, quantum nature, order of the heavens), it is more than just reasonable to assume there is a designer. If I told you that the automobile or the 777 evolved from nothing when out of a singularity (void of matter, energy, & information) a tornado ripped through a junkyard, you’d (rightly) laugh me out of town.
The two positions are not the same.
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DeavonReye
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:22pmStone, what matters is “truth”. That’s why I am not a religious person. And I agree that too many people take biblical accounts as 100% literal without any other reason but “it must be”. The bible has become an idol to them. . . . . a man made work. I used to, but don’t any longer because science poked too many holes in those past beliefs that it all is suspect [now].
But yes, that doesn’t mean there isn’t “a god, goddess, or multiple deities” out there. They do a superb job of remaining completely silent and unseen, if they ARE “out there”. So because I care about what is true, I choose not to accept any “faith claim” that others merely “believe to be true” because they “are convinced”. Not good enough. I may find myself on the “god side” one day, . . . but I have no reason to be there today.
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TheCalmOne
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:42pm@BONESIII – You haven’t been keeping up with modern physics, have you? The simple mathematical causality you describe doesn’t necessarily work at the quantum level.
Also – Even if there was a supernatural creator, outside space and time, why should it be the Christian God? Because the Bible says so? That’s pretty weak…
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bonesiii
Posted on December 30, 2012 at 5:14amYou, “just assuming” is the opposite of what you call the “causal argument”; the whole point was to ask what possible scenarios did causality allow if I extended it mathematically backwards in time, to the question of what caused the universe, what caused God, etc. Perhaps it is a bit too complex to come across clearly in a few posts, though; you seem in several places to have not quite gotten what I meant.
Also, bit of a pet peeve, but when you phrase it as “assuming divine cause”, what does that even mean? Atheists throw around words like that a lot, but they never seem to define it in terms that can be objectively defined. It basically seems to mean “any cause other than the one in my worldview” which becomes apparently meaningless. After all, it could apparently apply to panspermia, yet many believers in that also call themselves atheists, and what about “little g gods” that are finite, inside of time, etc.?
You also threw out several odd statements without explaining what you meant. I know it’s not the best venue for a lengthy discussion but could you try to clarify? Why do you say things like that “memorization” line or about prophecy when the subject is Earth’s shape? Also, if you really think a “bearded puppeteer” is what biblical Christians believe in, you apparently must have read nothing but typical atheist propoganda (which uses that silly term a lot) and apparently didn’t even read my post…
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bonesiii
Posted on December 30, 2012 at 5:57am“However, I would like to point out that not everyone’s belief in God is based on a book. If your belief in God is based only on the Bible, your belief is in the Bible, not God.”
Well said. I do often get the impression from atheist’s strawmen arguments that they think the mental process that goes on with us is “I read it in the Bible so it MUST be true!” lol.
“Stone, what matters is “truth”. That’s why I am not a religious person. And I agree that too many people take biblical accounts as 100% literal without any other reason but “it must be”. The bible has become an idol to them.”
I agree with the principle behind what you’re saying. I could not believe just on pure faith as some seemed to. However, something it took me a long time to realize is that there actually is a rational explanation for at least some to have no other CONSCIOUS explanation besides “it must be.”
[My draft of the rest of this is way too long...] Suffice to say, subconscious can think faster by parallel processing, so intuition (with the usual cautions) can give us logically sound answers without giving the process per se, and I think many (but not all) who say “it must be” are doing this. Atheists who truthseek consciously are (IMO) denying their conscience, but do did I, so I can’t claim superiority. But from my research I now know for a fact that atheists haven’t learned enough, or haven’t been logical enough. I just pray you will. :)
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bonesiii
Posted on December 30, 2012 at 5:59am“@BONESIII – You haven’t been keeping up with modern physics, have you? The simple mathematical causality you describe doesn’t necessarily work at the quantum level.”
All I could do to this, being somewhat famous elsewhere as Mr. Physics, is laugh my head off.
Anyways, the quantum level of physics working differently is a major part of my full causality analysis. Basically I think that it may have actually proven right the old idea that there is “supernatural” and then “natural.” We know of several layers to physics now, including quantum mechanics, temporal relativity, basic physics, and then much more specific systems that describe more complex material structures, like life, then science about intelligent life (psychology, etc.) That fact you bring up — the way causality works differently when you get down to the quantum scale — is exactly what I would expect from the Bible’s description of God upholding the universe, creating by something compared to sound (waves), etc. I think it begins to show us some of what God may be like; a nonlinear existence.
But this is of no help for any claim that God doesn’t exist, because that is a question of infinity and variety. Causality going nonlinear only ADDS to the possible variety of the infinite God; it doesn’t subtract. And obviously nonlinear is what we would expect from the biblical God. ;)
Your other question makes me wonder if you even read my earlier post…
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RamonPreston
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:43amThe shoes should have just the tops…no soles. Pun intended.
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GideonX
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:38amEurotrashy, eurotrashy, eurotrashy. Nothing’s even clever- or fashionable.
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Kruzer
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:34amVery tacky shoes…
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:43amYou’d have to be an atheist to wear those ugly ass shoes. Tasteless just like atheists. One more block of separated voters for democrats to slave.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 5:59pmYeah, why is it the atheists don’t seem to care about quality?
Well okay, I answered my own question. :P Low quality choice of thought, low quality output, I guess. I’m sure there are exceptions, though.
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bluehen
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:27am@OLDSURFRAT
So religion has strings attached and people that don’t believe in religion don’t like strings? Trying to follow your logic, but it is like trying to follow the logic of someone with severe dementia or early onset. Good luck.
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WhatsYerProblem
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:21amIt looks like atheists like to go bowling…
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FireMdx
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:19amI think they oughta create a matching handbag line to go with the shoes…maybe they could team up with the French for this and have Athiest shoes and Douhe bags!
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:24amI’m sure that you mean shower bags, though I don’t find “Douhe bags” in any search engine. Do you mean fun bags?
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nocommie
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:10pmYEA,and they can call the “bag” the pelosi….
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Tamborine
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 4:01pmfunny
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DREDGE
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:08amWhy the hell is German used for this crap?????
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@leftfighter
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:29am…because it’s a German company?
Seriously… read the article. Don’t just look at the pretty pictures.
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vaman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:03amBlaze – the shoes might be ugly, but how are they vulgar? Are christians offended? As a counter idea, why doesn’t Beck make jesus shoes instead of over priced jeans.
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RRFlyer
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:09amThe vulgarity was what they said in the ad. Read more of the article
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:15amHe kain’t, see below.
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JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:28amVulgarity. @VAMAN: The reporter, Jon Seidl, did not say the shoes were vulgar. Jon was just noting that the company’s comment contained vulgarity and yes VANMAN that actually renders the company statement vulgar. Your take of this story is the result of reading for an agenda not for knowledge which makes me question why I am bothering to try to enlighten you. Since God loves stupid just as much as everybody else, God bless you @VAMAN!
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amerbur
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:00amSo arrogant,, so foolish to Mock God, their creator and the creator of the Universe. Unbelievably stupid.
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vaman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:07amYou must a toddler to make a statement like that.
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vaman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:14amI read that section of the article, I just don’t find it vulgar.
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TheFederalist
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:18amVaman, you must be an imp!
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WhatsYerProblem
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:28amVaman, don’t you understand? It doesn’t matter if YOU don’t find it vulgar. All it takes is for one person to be offended and it has to stop right? I mean, if someone puts a cross on the top of their house or if a teacher puts the 10 commandments on their desk, then it has to be removed because there might be one student who would be offended by it.
But I guess it doesn’t matter if Christians find something offensive.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 6:13pm“I read that section of the article, I just don’t find it vulgar.”
Sure you do. You’re just willing to be dishonest about it. ;) And it’s completely transparent; you’re wasting your time…
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SilentRunner
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:55am…and life on this planet continues to get coarser and coarser.
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Mojoron
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:50amI smell sulfur.
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Locked
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:49amEh. I don’t care much; companies cater to niches. Either it’ll work or it won’t.
My guess is on the latter. Most of the atheists I’ve known about are less likely to describe themselves by their atheism than simply shrugging and saying “I don’t believe in God” if asked about their beliefs. Only a very vocal few would likely even be interested in these shoes, and odds are they wouldn’t even know they existed if Christian sites didn’t report on them.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:56amAs an atheist, I would NEVER wear anything that signified me as an atheist because I honestly don’t care enough about it to feel like I need to proclaim being an atheist.
I’d rather have a nice discussion with someone and they find out I”m an atheist vs just wearing a stupid pair of shoes, or t-shirt, or jewelry that says, “Hey I’m an atheist.”
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Cavallo
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:12amThere probably needs to be a differentiation between the non-believers and the evangelical anti-christian bigot atheists like the FFRF. Those that seem to get the most air time in the MSM as well as the internet are those that are merely anti-Christian bigots (there is also a healthy dose among them of Jew Hatred, but leftists have always excelled at that). They are also worshipers of The State, replacing a need for a divine god with a secular one. There are reasonable intellectual atheists out there, such as Dr Jon Ray, who runs the Tongue Tied (Politically Correct tracking) site, along with Greenie Watch, and Dissecting Leftism.
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zorro
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:28am@Locked
I didn’t get a chance to respond to you on the other thread…theBlaze closed it. But I’d like to. I said,
“I keep forgetting that bible verse which tells us we should ONLY follow the bible.”
and you responded:
“I mean if you’d rather follow mortal men than God, that’s your choice. I don’t know why you’d call yourself a Christian (a Christ follower) rather than a lemming though. You admit that God’s word isn’t enough for you. You need others to tell you how to think. I disagree. But that’s why it’s faith, and yours is not mine.”
I just wanted to clarify…you’re telling me then that the Bible, the Word of God, doesn’t tell us we should only follow the Bible? This is an assumption on your part? Or is it based on all the stuff Jesus wrote down? Oh wait…He didn’t write anything down. So some guy in the 14th or 15th century TOLD YOU to only follow the Bible and now you do. Is this about accurate? I mean, if following ONLY the Bible, the Word of God, was so importatnt, why didn’t Jesus make sure we had it before he gave his life for ours? Why didn’t Jesus write anything down?
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Locked
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 12:09pm@Zorro
Wow, chip on your shoulder much?
Look, I get it. You don’t believe in the Bible as divinely inspired and don’t think Jesus left His disciples with the information He came to give to us all. You prefer to follow whatever your pastor/preacher/pope says rather than reading the Bible. That’s your faith, and it’s not my job to persuade you to believe otherwise. I wish you luck in the afterlife.
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zorro
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 1:02pmNo chip. I just wanted to confirm what I already knew. You have no answer. Christians like you go on and on and on about the Bible without any historical or philisophical context. To you, the Bible fell out of the sky and you’re supposed to read it and be able to understand it. You’re arrogant enough to think the Holy Spirit will come down and speak to you when in reality, you sit in a pew and listen to pastors that tell you what the bible means. You just agree because without any history it all makes sense. The Bible tells us this would happen and people would be fooled by false prophets.
I tend to side with theologians, historians, and philsophers. Make no mistake, I am saved. That’s not to say you’re not. Unlike you, I know better than to know how God will judge us. And I know this because…wait for it….I’ve read and understand the Bible in the proper context.
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Locked
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 3:11pm“when in reality, you sit in a pew and listen to pastors that tell you what the bible means.”
Absolutely false. The reason this came up in the first place was that I said people are foolish to do exactly this and not rely on their own research and study.
I am sorry if I mistook you for one of them, you that’s the point at which you jumped into the conversation to defend ex-biblical Catholic rituals.
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zorro
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 3:30pmYou’re missing my point entirely but that’s OK. You can’t really discuss these things on forums like these. I’m not defending anything, though. I’m simply pointing out that your argument for Bible only theology is flawed by the simple fact that the Bible doesn’t ever bring it up. “Bible only” Christians have to pretend like this isn’t a problem. I don’t know what is or isn’t. I don’t claim to. What I do know is that historically, Christians have been practicing the traditions you mock way longer than not. The concept of Bible only theology is relatively new by contrast and began…what?…1300 or 1400 years after the dead of Christ? Maybe more….
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Locked
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 3:54pmBad spelling errors: “AS that’s the point at which you jumped into the conversation to defend EXTRA-Biblical Catholic rituals.”
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Locked
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 3:57pm@Zorro
Sorry for being snappish. You’re right, we all need to choose what to believe: I believe in the Bible as the sole authority for God’s will. Similar to the Constitution not outlining judicial review as being under the auspices only of the Supreme Court, I think that it just makes sense to have it that way. We’ll just have to disagree if you think that the traditions of the church have as much weight (or add more to) the Bible.
Have a good one!
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 6:20pm” I’m simply pointing out that your argument for Bible only theology is flawed by the simple fact that the Bible doesn’t ever bring it up.”
Actually, it does many times. Read it. :P There’s a lot in the prophets for example about how to tell a fake prophet from a real one from God, and fakers are condemned. There is tons and tons about not compromising with the world, in both Testaments (read pretty much the entire history of Israel for example — there’s also James, and much that Jesus said).
Also, you said that Jesus didn’t write things down — actually, the Bible teaches that Jesus is God, and God directly guided the words of all the human authors of Scripture. I think it was Peter or Paul that said that. Besides, when our modern reporters quote someone and the reporter is the one to write it down, that doesn’t nullify the fact that the source said it.
But all of this is a bit beside the point — the real important thing is that the Bible has been proven in so many ways to actually BE the inspired Word of God. It really isn’t just a matter of picking and choosing what to believe; there’s a science to understanding why it’s true, and what it means. (Rules of language, etc.) :)
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DIgnified
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:55pmLOL “Fakers”? Ha. Christianity and religion in general: Celebrating thousands of years of blind stupidity and devotion without question, in the “true” believers.
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bonesiii
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 11:03pm“LOL “Fakers”? Ha. Christianity and religion in general: Celebrating thousands of years of blind stupidity and devotion without question, in the “true” believers.”
You’re talking about people who don’t REALLY believe but think that saving faith is defined as never doubting, so go around lying to themselves and pretending they believe, while never knowing why. It IS possible to soundly prove that it’s true and believe it “truly” as I have. :) Most people don’t know this as our society constantly pounds into us the idea that you’re not allowed to honestly and deeply investigate it, you just have to blindly trust the majority or self-appointed experts.
The Bible itself commands us to seek, investigate, think, reason, discern, etc. so it is obviously not fair to claim such things of all Christianity. Those that do refuse to think and question are violating God’s clear commands.
Though probably this is much more of a straw man than reality with modern believers than people think. There’s a growing number who are getting back to “worshiping the God with all their minds” as well as hearts and soul, as CMI has put it.
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davecorkery
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:42amHere we go. Every person commenting is now going to think atheists are bad guys.
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RRFlyer
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:09amTrue. That’s what I think
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Locked
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:31amSome atheists are bad guys. And so are some Christians. And some Jews. And some Muslims.
However you define your religious belief, it doesn’t mean you’re “good” or “bad.”
Now, if you want to discuss if atheists are “wrong” when it comes to religious belief, well yeah, I think they are. But it’s their choice, and doesn’t make them bad people.
Also, those shoes look terrible.
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paco
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:25pmI’ve never met one that isn’t a pos that is much more interested in running the lives of others than living their own.
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Eternal
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:39amHell u go?
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:37amIsrael is rapidly modifying their Cluster Bombs and ICM artillery shells to deliver Mohammad inscribed soles with pork skin uppers to the *******. That’s why these are minimal ‘shoes’, their utility is not in walking feet.
Let the low level shoe bombing begin!
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothings, progressives.
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vaman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:58amEvery time you post something, it becomes more incoherent and just ridiculously stupid.
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Zipit
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:02amA little too much brandy in your coffee this morning there Doug?
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bluehen
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:25am@DOUGHUFFMAN
LOL.. Man, I consider myself to be an intelligent person, and for the life of me, I have no idea what you are talking about. Try this; before you type anything, try to secure your tinfoil hat so that the “little green men” can’t commandeer your fingers through your brain and type nonsense. Just an idea.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:42amBLUEHEN, On occasion I understand dear old DOUG. But trying to even fathom what he says the rest of the time apparently increases sales for Bayer.
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:47amHi ya Blue ****.
I don’t consider myself intelligent, I know it, having been tested in school (+4 s.d. minimum) and proven in my career (on-deck testing nuclear reactor plants) from which I am long 1995 retired.
Are you a neighbor, here on my tiny Island, where all blue-hairs go about in blaze-orange for fear their husbands, sons and grand-sons shoot so poorly as to kill granny?
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth. God Bless Bitter Clingers, damn know-nothings, progressives.
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mikenleeds
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:36amI guess the black dots are there mark of the beast
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DougHuffman
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 10:59amNawp, they prevent charges of racist discrimination – ya don’t see any all ‘dot’ coloreds shoes, do you?
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hflndrs
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:26amThe novelty has already worn off, for me.
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RIGHTHOOK
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:45amGood one!
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OldSurfRat
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:26amHey soles for the soless. Great idea now we can spot em easire.
However they all need to be slip on shoes because atheists hate anything with strings attached.
Oh well next they will say that they do not believe in shoes because nothing has a sole..
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:30amLoL!
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Small World
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 5:25pmLove it !
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:23am.
They look like Bowling Shoes………..
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:31amKeggling.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:35amShould have said “keggling schuhe”
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decendentof56
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 6:26amNow they’ll have to get a “bowling” shirt with “Alfred ” embroidered on the left breast.
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Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:22amSo… pandering to Christians = A-OK. Pandering to Atheists = abomination before the Lord?
Hypocrisy. It’s not just a river in Egypt, is it?
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Mia Cav
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:40amRemind me again, who is it that panders to Christians?
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Locked
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:33am@Mia Cav
C28 is a Christian-themed apparel store that sells “Christian shoes.”
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WhatsYerProblem
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:35amPandering is not the point. It is that they went out of their way to be offensive towards Christian believers. I imagine you would be offended if someone walked by you with a “Lesbians Go To Hell” shirt on, wouldn’t you? Rightfully so. The hypocricy is that that it’s OK to be offended at Christian stuff like a prayer before a football game but when Christians are offended then they’re being ridiculous.
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Marine25
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:37am@mia cav
You are right, no one panders to christians, everyone panders to the atheists.
Let’s start with the media. On Sunday mornings, nearly all major television channels broadcast pro-Atheist shows; it is nearly impossible to find religious programming during that time period. Further, American Atheists has their own cable TV channel, while Pat Robertson has been unable to obtain one for himself. Most major newspapers run a special weekly section devoted to Atheism. There are no equivalent sections for religious news. On news programs and “reality” TV shows nobody is ever shown giving thanks to God after surviving a disaster. It is almost impossible to find a shopping mall with a Christian book store, while Atheist book stores are featured prominently on every corner. While Atheist couples who marry rarely have any difficulty finding a place to do so, it is nearly impossible for Christian couples to find a church where they can marry. For that matter, churches themselves are extremely rare, while Atheist meeting centers can be found every few blocks. Organizations such as the Boy Scouts deny membership to Christians. In the military, it is nearly impossible to obtain Conscientious Objector status for religious reasons, even though those with philosophical reasons can obtain C.O. status relatively easily. Christian churches are forced to pay exorbitant taxes, while atheist organizations are given tax-exempt status. I honestly don’t know how Christians tolerate it a
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Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:03pm@ Whats Yer Problem:
“Ich bin Atheist” is not German for “Christians go to Hell.” If someone walked by me with “I am a Christian.” or “I am straight.” displayed prominently on their tee shirt, this Atheist lesbian would not be the tiniest bit offended. Your argument isn’t even apples and oranges. It’s more apples and orangutans. And frankly, if I saw anyone with a tee shirt which read, ” go to Hell.”, I would be offended, regardless of the specific label used to attack any given religion. Although, “Atheist go to Hell.” would prolly make me burst out laughing first. I mean. C’mon.
@ Marine 25:
BREATHE!
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Shrugged
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:21amThe free market will vote on this product idea with their dollars (what little worth is left in them) and we’ll see who wins.
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Stoic one
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:18amPrices propped up by the US fed funneling dollars into the EU……
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piper60
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 8:10amho hum. This is a BORING shoe.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:24amThat’s what Richard Reid said…
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on December 27, 2012 at 9:40amTIME, Please start those posts with a warning! Some of us are still drinking coffee out here. LOL
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