
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT – DECEMBER 27: Firearm instructor Clark Aposhian teaches a concealed-weapons training class to 200 Utah teachers on December 27, 2012 in West Valley City, Utah. The Utah Shooting Sports Council said it would waive its $50 fee for concealed-weapons training for Utah teachers. Credit: Getty Images
WEST VALLEY CITY, Utah (TheBlaze/AP) — Jessica Fiveash sees nothing wrong with arming teachers. She’s one herself, and learned Thursday how to safely use her 9 mm Ruger with a laser sight.
“If we have the ability to stop something, we should do it,” said the elementary school teacher, who along with nearly 200 other teachers in Utah took six hours of free gun training offered by the state’s leading gun lobby.
It is among the latest efforts to arm or train teachers to confront assailants after a gunman killed his mother and then went on a rampage through Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., killing 20 children and six adults before killing himself.
In Ohio, a firearms group said it was launching a test program in tactical firearms training for 24 teachers. In Arizona, the attorney general is proposing a change to state law that would allow an educator in each school to carry a gun.
The moves to train teachers come after the National Rifle Association proposed placing an armed officer at each of the nation’s schools, though some schools already have police officers. Parents and educators have questioned how safe the proposal would keep kids and whether it would be economically feasible.
Some educators say guns shouldn’t be allowed on school campuses. Among the potential dangers they point to are teachers being overpowered for their weapons or students getting them and accidentally or purposely shooting classmates.
“It’s a terrible idea,” said Carol Lear, a chief lawyer for the Utah Office of Education. “It’s a horrible, terrible, no-good, rotten idea.”
Kristen Rand, the legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy organization, said to believe that a “teacher would be successful in stopping someone who has made the decision to engage in a shootout is just not rationale.”
“No teacher is ever going to be as effective as a trained law enforcement officer,” Rand said. Even trained police officers don’t always hit their targets, and arming teachers could put innocent students at risk of crossfire, she said.
Gun-rights advocates say teachers can act more quickly than law enforcement in the critical first few minutes to protect children from the kind of deadly shooting that took place in Connecticut. They emphasized the importance of reacting appropriately under pressure.
“We’re not suggesting that teachers roam the halls” looking for an armed intruder, said Clark Aposhian, chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, the state’s biggest gun lobby. “They should lock down the classroom. But a gun is one more option if the shooter” breaks into a classroom.

WEST VALLEY CITY, UT – DECEMBER 27: With a handgun on his side, firearm instructor Clark Aposhian teaches a concealed-weapons training class to 200 Utah teachers on December 27, 2012 in West Valley City, Utah. The Utah Shooting Sports Council said it would waive its $50 fee for concealed-weapons training for Utah teachers. Credit: Getty Images

WEST VALLEY CITY, UT – DECEMBER 27: Joanna Baginska (R), a fourth grade teacher at Odyssey Charter School in American Fork, Utah is shown how to handle a 40 cal. Sig Sauer by firearm instructor Clark Aposhian at a concealed-weapons training class to 200 Utah teachers on December 27, 2012 in West Valley City, Utah. The Utah Shooting Sports Council said it would waive its $50 fee for concealed-weapons training for Utah teachers. Credit: Getty Images
The group waived its $50 fee for the training. Instruction featured plastic guns and emphasized that people facing deadly threats should announce or show their gun and take cover before trying to shoot. They cautioned teachers about the liability that comes with packing a gun in public.
“It’s going to be a hassle. It’s another responsibility. You can’t just leave your gun lying around,” Aposhian said. “Not for a minute.”
The teachers at the basic gun training applied for a concealed-weapons permit, submitting fingerprints and a mug shot for a criminal background check. The class kicked off as an instructor in the “psychology of mass violence” offered various tactics to disrupt an assailant.
The first, the instructor said, was to start with the command: “Stop right there!”
“I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot if the danger was immediate,” said Fiveash, adding that her laser sight would make shooting in tight quarters safer.
English teacher Kevin Leatherbarrow said he often felt threatened while working at an inner-city school in Buffalo, N.Y., where he got a license to carry a pistol. He moved less than a year ago to Utah, where he feels safer. But he said gun violence can break out anywhere.
Leatherbarrow said he was highly trained in handling guns – and was taking criticism from parents who don’t appreciate his views on school safety.
“I’m in agreement not everybody should be carrying firearms in school. They’re not trained. But for some parents to think we’re cowboys, that frustrates me,” he said. “I wish parents would understand.”
In the U.S., the number of homicides at schools of children, ages 5-18, have been lower year-by-year in the 2000s than they were in the mid- to late-1990s, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics report on school crime released in 2012. At 32 deaths, the 2006-2007 school year was the only one that reached the levels from the 1990s. The manner of death was not listed.
Utah is among a few states that let people carry licensed concealed weapons into public schools without exception, the National Conference of State Legislatures says in a 2012 compendium of state gun laws.
Utah educators say they would ban guns if they could, but legislators left them with no choice. State law forbids schools, districts or college campuses from imposing their own gun restrictions.
Educators say they have no way of knowing how many teachers are armed. Gun-rights advocates estimate 1 percent of Utah teachers, or 240, are licensed to carry concealed weapons. It’s not known how many do so at school.
“I never felt threatened in 14 years of teaching, but I don’t think you can be too prepared,” said Tiffany Parry, a dance teacher in the Salt Lake City suburb of Sandy who applied for Thursday for a license to carry a concealed gun. “I think it could come in handy.”






















































































































Comments (142)
Git-R-Done
Dec. 29, 2012 at 8:16pmI’m glad that Utah is doing a proactive thing rather than a reactive thing to prevent school shootings. It’ll cost a lot less taxpayer money in the long run and do a better job of protecting the people.
Kennesaw, GA is another place to look up to when they made it mandatory for their citizens in 1982 to own firearms in their area.
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Ritchie The Riveter
Dec. 29, 2012 at 5:26amUniformed security makes it obvious to a shooter who he needs to take out first, and plainclothes security isn’t much better in this regard – especially when a shooter is a student in the school, and can see who “doesn’t fit in” with the educators.
Arming only one person isn’t enough, IMO. While we don’t necessarily need to arm them all, more than one person in the school needs to be armed – and they need to keep who is armed and who is not a secret, including the reluctant personnel who don’t want to be armed (for the same reason that dedicated security is not the best solution; they are clearly identified to a shooter as targets).
The combination of multiple, trained defenders, and the uncertainty of who they are, effectively hardens the target, making it less likely that a shooter will even try to attack a school, let alone succeed in their attempt at mass murder.
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toto
Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:40pmBRAVO! Would love to have one of these teachers in my child’s classroom.
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noslave
Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:06pmhire homecoming soldiers,who cant find work? who are already trained in weapons?? who wont “SPRAY AND PRAY??” and wont run in the other direction when confronted as others may do??,at decent pay?? problem solved
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ICEDRAGONNITE
Dec. 28, 2012 at 3:09pmIt’s a slow process. It should be in the thousands by now.
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mustang-2537
Dec. 28, 2012 at 1:51pmWell, this is one way to calm down the democrats in Washington. It is obvious that other states are taking similar action. This is still the best approach to take action against psychotic individuals who step out of line for their own good. And the best approach to protect the young innocents.
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tankyjo
Dec. 28, 2012 at 1:33pmThis is good news. My wife, who has always had a little fear of hand guns, now has her first. She will be my fourth “garage trainee” in a week. My garage training consists of a DA air soft pistol, and hundreds of shots, good cheap muscle training. Next they go to the real guys at the defense course. After 50 plus years of hand gunning, I still do the air soft course in the garage weekly. Gun control is all about proficiency folks.
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Hobbs10
Dec. 28, 2012 at 12:47pmAbsolutely, every teacher and citizen should have to be educated on carrying firearms, safety and self defense. Those that don’t care to participate after that is their choosing. But at least they are informed in case of a crisis.
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red_white_blue2
Dec. 28, 2012 at 12:37pmAnother intelligent State-Utah! If you seal the room first, this would allow enough time to retrieve the firearm from a sealed box that only the teacher would have and would have to wear on a lanyard-it would not be obvious to students that the teacher has such a key for teachers have many keys. I think in a moment where someone is bursting into a classroom, the return of fire would at least save some lives if not all in that room.
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Pacapapa
Dec. 28, 2012 at 12:34pmFinally!
I bet this also reduses the number of disrespectful students. How many students will be mouthing off and physically abusing their teachers knowing that they may be carrying? We may even see an improvement in grade scores because students will have a newfound respect for their teachers.
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the_truth_or_not
Dec. 28, 2012 at 12:07pm…teachers being overpowered for their weapons or students getting them and accidentally or purposely shooting classmates.
This is just nuts. this is elementary school teachers. (Which is legal for teachers to carry conceal in Utah. I dont think they are talking about arming every teacher like the elderly where a sixth grader could over power.)
Now, in Utah for the longest time, public Jr. High and High schools for the longest time have one or two armed police officers on duty. Jefferson Jr. High in the west end of Kearns did not in its opening years in the late 80′s. Unknown to anyone the VP was CCP. a mexican child took a semi auto hand gun and was cuaght by the VP while he was ‘prepairing’. The student got off one shot before he was apprehended. Would this have happened if there was an on duty officer there? No one knows, but look at Utah Schools. When was the last time you heard of a school shooting out of violence or the intent to kill? next to never? I am not talking about the irresponsible parents child obtaining their unsafe gun and shooting a class mate during show and tell.
Utah does prove a couple cops and CCP by teachers does deter school yard shootings. As a matter of fact, the only public shooting that took place in Utah in recent memory was in a mall, that was restrictive to CCP by the building owners (Not Utah law). Arm the citizens and deter crime. Way to protect your children Utah! I would solute you if I were military!
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the_truth_or_not
Dec. 28, 2012 at 12:48pmNow, in Utah for the longest time, public Jr. High and High schools for the longest time have one or two armed police officers on duty.
LOL I did not realize that I worked for the Redundency Office of Redundency!
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jessieH
Dec. 28, 2012 at 11:37amNow there is a common sense aproach I can stand behind.
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z32tt
Dec. 28, 2012 at 11:30amI suddenly feel the urge to move to Utah, where like-minded individuals actually do exist.
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7munchkins
Dec. 28, 2012 at 3:13pmCome on over!
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BlazeGlory
Dec. 28, 2012 at 11:26amThis is an excellent idea. I think all teachers should spend so much time in free concealed weapons classes that there will be no time left for them to be engaging in sex with the students.
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NewCreationDave
Dec. 28, 2012 at 11:14amRemember, the Supremer Court has ruled that the police are not obligared to protect you!
So that responsibility falls on … YOU!
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/03/the-police-arent-legally-obligated-to-protect-you/
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watashbuddyfriend
Dec. 28, 2012 at 11:03amKinda like driving a car; as long as there is no threat to the ordinary, there is no problem, BUT, ….
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R8RfromTN
Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:50amPositive and proactive. Also, FYI, Frontsight Firearms Institute in Nevada has a four day defensive handgun course that is free to school teachers, admin., etc if you send the request on your school letter head. It is an excellent course with a large staff of diversely skilled instructors. Regardless of your experience with firearms, “you will leave the course greatly improved and much more competent.”
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7munchkins
Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:43amWest Valley City is one of the most dangerous places in the state. I’m glad these teachers have learned their right and decided to act. I understand the ‘overpower and weapon taken’ argument, but this is a concealed weapon. Students are not going to know if a teacher has a firearm. What the article doesn’t talk about it the prevention factor. Schmucks bent on killing are going to reconsider a West Valley City, or any Utah school for that matter, because there is a good chance people in that school are armed. A teacher could go 30 years and never remove the firearm from its holster at school, but the fact that our teachers can be armed will deter crazy murderers from coming through the front door.
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the_truth_or_not
Dec. 28, 2012 at 12:21pmI am not trying to take away from your post, you are mostly spot on. As there are area’s in West Valley City that is less than safe, it is by no means one of the most dangerous area’s. There is Rose Park, Glenn Dale, City of North Salt Lake(Not to be confused with North Salt Lake City), South Salt Lake, Midvale, Magna. I would walk at night in West Valley but not in these other area’s.
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7munchkins
Dec. 28, 2012 at 3:11pmYou are right, I’m sure. I live in southern Utah and stopped watching network news about 7 years ago, so I am behind on my Salt Lake Valley violent, gang infested, areas.
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jettson
Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:37amThe Blaze is going to hell What a waist of garbage
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t_st1
Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:32am…My thoughts are here too. I believe that we should arm at least one teacher or principal in every school. (Ones that would only accept the responsibility.) They should be very well trained in crisis management. I’m sure there would be countless number teachers that would sign up for the responsibility; if we would supply hazard pay too. We are asking for more trouble if we bring in off duty police into the schools. (Currently many high schools already have off duty officers patrolling the campus anyway.) Teachers,via gossip, know the students better than any outside person will.
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GrayPanther
Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:31amMany more people are spared by the presence of an armed citizen than are harmed by one. Putting well trained people in locations where easy pray exist will do two things. One, make it known these schools are not easy targets and two, will stop any carnage for those who attempt harm. Bravo for Utah.
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