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Hobby Lobby: Go Ahead and Fine Us, We Won’t Comply With ‘Morning-After’ Mandate
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Despite the fact that it could result in fines of up to $1.3 million per day, an attorney for Hobby Lobby Stores announced Thursday the company’s plan to ignore a federal mandate requiring all employers provide employees with health coverage that includes access to the morning-after pill.
“Hobby Lobby and religious book-seller Mardel Inc., which are owned by the same conservative Christian family, are suing to block part of the federal health care law that requires employee health-care plans to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar emergency contraception pills,” the Associated Press notes.
“The companies claim the mandate violates the religious beliefs of their owners. They say the morning-after pill is tantamount to abortion because it can prevent a fertilized egg from becoming implanted in a woman’s womb,” the report adds.
And although Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor “denied the companies’ request for an injunction while their lawsuit is pending,” as the AP notes, she explained that the companies may challenge the new health regulation in lower courts.
Hobby Lobby is being represented by Kyle Duncan of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.
“Hobby Lobby doesn’t intend to offer its employees insurance that would cover the drug while its lawsuit is pending,” Duncan said in a statement.
“The company will continue to provide health insurance to all qualified employees,” Duncan said. “To remain true to their faith, it is not their intention, as a company, to pay for abortion-inducing drugs.”
U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton last month in a ruling against the companies said churches and religious groups are protected from the birth-control provisions but that “Hobby Lobby and Mardel are not religious organizations.”
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STARSANDSTRIPES4EVR
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:35am@ FREE_THOUGHT
With that mentality we would all still be ruled by the British Empire.
Its like leading sheep to slaughter these days. So many low information, publicly educated, sheep. It’s just embarrassing and sad….Bhaaaa!
I support HL totally and will continue to do so to all who stand up against our out of control, completely dysfunctional, & tyrannical government.
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woodyee
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:22pmJust transcribe “stupid” into “free” as in free-thought, and you’ll soon see that responding is really a waste of time, because?
Because YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID.
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WhiteFang
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:43pmThose who have the conviction and the courage to stand firm for their faith are few in number.
Most will easily throw away their core standards to accommodate evil, especially if they can profit somehow.
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jcldwl
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:36pmGuess I better think of something I need from Hobby Lobby. Good for them. Now who’s interested in a march on DC against the proposed national gun registration bill. It is the beginning of tyranny and we need to stand and stand strong together against it.
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jhrusky
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:49pmI will shop at Hobby Lobby as I greatly admire business people that actually stand up for their beliefs more than their pocketbook. Hobby Lobby, you’ve won over a loyal patron.
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Dkoonz
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:04pmGreat to see HL standing there ground on this. Now we need a lot of others to stand up againist these new regulations put forth by the obama admin.
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resolved1776
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:42pmThe sheep do lead the sheep. Where is the room in a “low-information” voter’s brain? It is so full of “professional” sports, celebrity gossip, video game strategy, Facebook, and the like, the truth has no room. As long as a person’s personal comfort zone is not invaded, the hard stuff that requires critical thinking will not rate a blip on the radar.
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HI_Don
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 3:03pmSo your saying “YOU CAN’T FIX FREE”????
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valiant1776
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 6:47pmWe have split religion so far away from ordinary life. Education used to include morality and values. One’s occupation, and reputation therein, was the result of one’s Christian character. Courts used to require for one to swear on the Holy Bible. Today we have created this small box wherein we place God, and therein he must remain. And outside of that box, we can not speak of him, speak to him, or even acknowledge him. Our founding fathers would have never tolerated such nonsense.
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VMA214
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 1:11pmI agree with you and stand with Hobby Lobby 100%. These dictators need to be confronted and stopped immediately, like RTFN…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFALonjLay0
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RabidPatriot
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 2:48pmThis what the government wants. They will make an example out of Hobby Lobby and drive them to bankruptcy for their religious convictions. They will make every business fearful of doing the same and get all private enterprises inline for the government good. The birth of fascism.
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careaboutUSA
Posted on December 30, 2012 at 1:54amPlease Hobby Lobby, don’t give in, u will be amazed how many Christians are so proud of you! I’ll pray for you that you prevail !! DON”T GIVE IN TO those socialists that are trying to take GOD out of our lives!! We Christians are almost 80% of Americans,and are not going to be pushed around by those”FREEDOM OF RELIGION” idiots! We are not as well off as you at Hobby Lobby, but you are part of our lives, YOU REPRESENT US!!! whether you believe it or not! Look what we did for Chick Filet, I don’t want to be like “religionless Europe!”,Or live in a Caliphate! Go get em Hobby Lobby! We Christians are behind you! U’re our representative! our Republican opposition is a joke!!
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FaithfulFriend
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:34amWhy are employers forced into the business of providing health insurance in the first place?
The Green’s are doing the only thing they should do and are fully willing to be persecuted into destruction by the government if need be.
I will not comply means what it says and my guess is they won’t voluntarily pay the fines either.
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ONLY4UANDME
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:56pmI have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:34
The Christian will be sure to make enemies. It will be one of his objects to make none; but if doing what is right and believing what is true should cause him to lose every earthly friend, he will regard it as a small loss, since his great Friend in heaven will be even more friendly and will reveal Himself to him more graciously than ever. You who have taken up His cross, don’t you know what your Master said? “I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother …And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.”
Christ is the great Peacemaker; but before peace, He brings war. Where the light comes, the darkness must vanish. Where truth is, the lie must flee; or if it remains, there must be a stern conflict, for the truth cannot and will not lower its standard, and the lie must be trampled underfoot. If you follow Christ, you will have all the dogs of the world yelping at your heels. If you live in such a manner as to stand the test of the last judgment, you can depend upon it that the world will not speak well of you.
He who has the friendship of the world is an enemy to God; but if you are true and faithful to the Most High, men will resent your uncompromising commitment, since it is a testimony against their iniquities. You must do the right thing and not fear the consequences. You will need the courage of a lion to pursue a course that turns your best friend into
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PlowMan
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 4:17pmonly4uandme, you are correct!! Please continue your thoughts as you ran out of space. We, indeed, need more businesses like HL. I hope their faith holds steady. As for the non-believer, please don’t try to understand, you will only have you eyes opened if you repent and are baptized. For your own good, non-believer, find a good congregation to join and find our Lord and Savior!! The second coming may not be near in human terms but it certainly is nearer than it was yesterday.
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GTCharlie
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 5:31pmYou are so right on, why should employers be paying for the insurance of anyone.
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P8riot
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:34amtime to go shopping at hobby lobby (or at least encourage our wives to go – its kinda a girly store)
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FreedbyTruth
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:57amHey, you can buy model rockets there. If that aint manly I don’t know what is. Dads show your support for Hobby Lobby. Go there and buy a model rocket to build with your son.
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P8riot
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:16pmnice! good to know. I’ve only been there a few times with my wife and I guess I only got to see the sections that sell home decorations and crafting material. I would love to build a model rocket with my son – great tip!
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abefij
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:20pmIndeed, they need our support.
Since when is religious freedom reserved only to organizations. Freedom of religion, association, and speech are individual rights. What they are saying is we can’t hold all three at the same time.
We need to support Hobby Lobby who are merely exercising their freedom of religion, association and speech simultaneously.
This issue exposes the tyranny of the state like no other. In addition I’m sure these fines cannot stand as they violate the equal protection clause. Federal taxes are meant to be uniform. Giving the federal government the ability to directly tax was a huge mistake.
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Cavallo
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:26pmMardel’s science section was fairly extensive. I got my niece a grow your own carnivorous plant kit, my nephew got build your own robots, as well as a beginner microscope for very good prices. They also had a very extensive and comprehensive home schooling section, far better supplied than any public school class room that I have ever seen. It will be a shame to see them go, but the Messiah and The State have called for their destruction or submission. Welcome to Oceania, where you must bend knee to The State.
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smokie
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:26pmNo way- it’s not a girly store. You should see their art supplies. They have a graphic/ fine art section that mows down every art store that caters to hipsters I’ve ever been in. And quality stuff, too.
Take up airbrushing or comic book illustration- they have everything you need.
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Paool
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:05pmWell I was thinking about buying my boys a train set and start building a really cool landscape for it. Now is as good time as any. My money is going to Hobby Lobby!
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PlowMan
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 4:22pmGreat man cave decor there too. There are several oil/ gas station related signs there as well as car signs and decor. One of the neatest things I saw, when I was there yesterday, was a door pull (think closet or dresser) that was shaped like the old car door handles in the 60s and 70s. Made me think of an Oldsmobile 88 from 1968.
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uzeguize
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 7:51pmNot true, there are all kinds of male oriented items also. Great store too. I will support them as they have shown courage to back up their decision. The thought that contraceptives and abortion and abortion inducing drugs is any way connected to healthcare is flawed and is just begging for lawsuits.
Go to Valhalla with Obamacare,We will not comply.
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Jester6
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 12:03pmI love HL. It has lots of cool artwork for the man cave from vintage motorcycle art to a section of “men’s porcelain”. And yes rockets and pine wood derby stuff to do with your kids…
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jimster
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 12:10pmBetter go today as tomorrow is Sunday and they are closed.
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VMA214
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 1:18pmAll sorts of neat stuff for arts and crafts, painting, model railroad, etc..
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thx1138v2
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 2:02pmWhat, no reloading equipment or supplies?
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texaspug
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:34amWow! I was a big supporter of this company BEFORE! I pray that they can withstand the pressure!
The employees should be doing something! It’s not that they don’t want to provide health insurance… it’s they don’t want things imposed ESPECIALLY when UNIONS and Obama’s friends were opted out… they can make exceptions Sotemayor CHOOSES NOT TO!
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henryKnox
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:06pmIt seems that the gov’t and supreme court could use a little sensitivity training! Why don’t they have any empathy for those that believe differently than them? Why does the gov’t not support diversity?
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garbagecanlogic
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:32amGOOD FOR YOU HOBBY LOBBY! At least you stand by your convictions – thats better than congress.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
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The-Monk
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:31amI hope they don’t sell Indian Mahogany….
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The-Monk
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:33amEdit; Indian Ebony.
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gyro
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:51amhm
very green of you to think of those very hard to grow trees that are cut by criminals
same could be said for lignum
substained forestry is the answer
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The-Monk
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:59pmHi gyro,
I was thinking about what happened to Gibson Guitars….
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Bedmundson
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:30amHobby Lobby will continue to get my support…great store on so many fronts!
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dordor
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:46amMr. Obama really does not like the middle class…..or anyone that is self sufficient and happy!
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BODYBAG
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:10pmClick Username: BLUEHEN
USER PROFILE: BLUEHEN
Member Since: December 17, 2012
11 days of trolling this conservative site —– Help us keep this site TROLL FREE — Use the REPORT POST button
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barber2
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:36pmBody: And wouldn’t you like to know the PREVIOUS name this Media Matters Troll used ? These little…are so like the ACORN dudes with bullhorns in bankers’ front yards: they love to bully, smear, and annoy. That is just part of their angry, twisted, radical makeup. Dysfunctional bunch of Obama outsiders whom he has nurtured with all of his angry rhetoric.
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Free_Thought
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 3:55pmWow. I never thought giving an opinion on here makes you a troll. Get a grip people. Are you that hyper-sensitive you just cant handle anyone disagreeing with you?
Also judging by all of your great responses i guess i am free to not follow any laws that i deem unconstitutional? Eventhough obamacare hasnt been deemed unconstitutional? Great logic. So i guess america should repeal all laws that the right have found in their minds to be unconstitutional?
Do you not see how messed up that is. Because YOU find it wrong you dont have to abide by it? What an america that would be.
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Free_Thought
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:29amSo im a troll for disagreeing? Great reasoning. Anyone that would go bankrupt and send their employees spiralling into unemployment for something they feel they dont have to do is ridiculous. This is the law just as payin taxes is. What dont you gt about that?
TeresaJ
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:36amI don’t think you are a troll, but I do think your principals are weak if you think money is more important than conscience.
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BobtheMoron
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:38amEither you have principles and core beliefs that you live by or you don’t. They, apparently, do.
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oldguy49
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:39amchristians have been known to die for their beliefs……………….
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Micmac
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:40amSimple. Principle over profit.
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barber2
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:41amWhere to begin. Let’s try “against one’s moral beliefs.” As in, it’s a moral, a spiritual thing .Something that radical atheists just don’t get. They only “get” what Big Brother government tells them to do. They only “get” what they Can see . Can’t see God…can see Obama and the Politicos…Media shows them all of the time !
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STARSANDSTRIPES4EVR
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:41am@freethought
With that mentality we would all still be ruled by the British Empire.
It’s like leaded sheep to slaughter these days. So many low information, publicly educated, sheep. It’s just so embarrassing and sad,,,,Bhaaaaa!
I support HL and will continue to support all who stand up against our out of control, completely dysfunctional, & tyrannical government.
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Free_Thought
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:43amI dont think i expressed myself properly if you cant understand what i am trying to say. Forcing 13000 employees into financial ruin because you disagree with a law is irresponsible to your employees. Why should they pay the price for what the owner says is unconstitutional? Where has it been proven that this is unconstitutional beyond peoples opinion. The war in iraq was unconstitutonal but i didnt stop paying taxes to the government to prevent my tax dollars going to defense.
And sorry folks i am not a troll. Sorry to disappoint you. I happen to disagree on a few of the topics you agree with. That isnt allowed here?
Spirit 72
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:44am@ Free [from] thought
“Anyone that would go bankrupt and send their employees spiralling into unemployment for something they feel they dont have to do is ridiculous.”
Any government that would bankrupt a company and send thousands of employees into spiralling unemployment for something that forces that company to go against its religious principles and require them to “offer” health care is rediculous.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:45amhmmm….impending bankruptcy and no regard for jobs…you’ve just summed up Barack Obama’s economic record.
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basque
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:48amYes your right PRINCIPLES are bad things to have, better to just go along with what ever crowd happens by.
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BODYBAG
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:02pm@FREE_THOUGHT
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:43am
Forcing 13000 employees into financial ruin because you disagree with a law is irresponsible to your employees.
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Lets see if we can pound this through your thick troll skull —–
No one is being “forced” into anything.
The “owner” owns the company. He started it in his garage with his family. David Green is his name.
http://www.hobbylobby.com/our_company/our_company.cfm
Likely [as with most businesses] the beginnings were sometimes rough. Most businesses struggle in the beginning. They likely worked LONG hours 24/7 and sacrificed much to get it off the ground. That probably lasted for years until the business began to bear fruit and grow.
Employees on the other hand are paid workers. They get a wage and benefits in exchange for their labor. They arent owners. They have no official say in company direction or strategy. They werent there in that living room struggling and sacrificing 24/7 for all that time in the beginning.
Employees who dont like the decision are absolutely FREE to find employment ELSEWHERE..
Free-market Economics & Capitalism 101.
Got it?
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henryKnox
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:03pmCorrection, it is not the company that is causing possible bankruptcy and additional unemployment, it is the gov’t. The company seems to be doing business as usual, prospering and providing good jobs and benefits for it’s employees. The gov’t has upset the apple cart by overbearing regulations. Let’s keep the blame where it belongs. The company did not ask for the controversy, they are victims.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:12pmAnd it was only yesterday BLUECHICKEN that you were bleating about how Bain doesn’t care about employees and businesses and let’s them go bankrupt. Lo and behold a scant 24 hours later here you are gleefully encouraging Hobby Lobby’s demise and their employees’ being out of work.
You need to be more consistent in your act as Blaze’s conscience ETCHY/BLUECHICKEN.
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AvengerK
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:21pmNo FUZZY_THOUGHT…you don’t think PERIOD!
A business is not in business to keep people employed. It’s in business to make a profit. This too far beyond you champ?
Tell me..are you as “concerned” about Darden Restaurants reducing the hours of their employees in order to avoid the fines and costs of Obamacare? You know what happens now champ? These employees have to pay for coverage under the individual mandate and will need to find more than one job to pay for their coverage now…or else they get taxed..sorry “penalized” by the IRS.
Typical liberal idiot you are with no capacity of thought whatsoever, all you care about is the “good intentions” of Obamacare without ever thinking about the dire consequences of such an awful piece of legislation. You get the government you deserve champ..eat hearty.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:24pm@oldguy49: And many of us will.
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Dr Vel
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:30pmYes of course you are a troll. True children of God believe interfering with the creation of life is something only our creator has the right to manipulate after conception has occurred. Using methods to destroy this life after the fact is a very bad sin and tantamount to murder. Only self defense or in the defense of others or the homeland can this tenet be violated. People wishing to work there can abide by this. All those who have no conscience about the taking of life or the violating of a living souls future can answer alone in judgement. In short speaking for all true children of God bite our shiny metal a55es.
Yet another major employer has been destroyed by the Godless forces of darkness running this nation since this money drain will destroy them. Nothing new, these forces are destroying us all.
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barber2
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:14pmFree: Just curious. What name did you previously post under before your December 21 reincarnation as FREETHOUGHT ? So many of our old Troll names seem to be missing…wonder which one you were….
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Paool
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:39pmStanding up for your convictions and not giving into a Govn’t you feel is becoming morally and constitutionally unjust is not dumb, it is American. Americans don’t take crap on the jaw and ask please, sir, can I have some more. We stand up for ourselves and make a stand. Like in Atlas Shrugged, ‘I am leaving it as I found it. Take over. It’s yours.’ The Govn’t has NO RIGHT to be so invasive in telling people how to run their business and I am in full support in Hobby Lobby standing up for their rights in such a fashion.
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 4:08pmFREE_THOUGHT…
To them, the morning after pill is the same as abortion, which is MURDER OF INNOCENT BABIES…If you owned a business, and tomorrow the government DEMANDED that every time a down syndrome child came into your store, you have to give their parent some arsenic to kill the child or face a 1.3 million dollar fine, what would you do? It really is that simple. The “law of the land” is that murder of babies is not only allowed, but now this law is FORCING business owners to be an accomplice.
Would YOUR business mean so much to you that you would become an accomplice to MURDER just to keep the doors open and your people employed?
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brigott
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 10:46pmFree, by what stretch of the imagination is Hobby Lobby going to be “forcing 13000 employees into financial ruin” by refusing to pay for their abortifacients?
If Hobby Lobby is allowed to life by their owners’ religions – a Constitutional right – they will continue to do great business.
It will be the government who forces them to close, if they do; not the owners.
Your sense of “a business must do whatever the government requests, regardless of their beliefs and regardless of Constitutional rights,” is misplaced.
Put the blame where it belongs – on President Obama and his lackey Sotomayor, not on Hobby Lobby.
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missdagnytaggart
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:36pmA law may be a law but that doesn’t make it moral or right
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PinTwister
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 7:56amHL isn’t causing their employees to loose their jobs. The Supremes are by forcing the company to be party to murder.
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crowflies
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 11:25amIt seems the problem lies in the fact that many people believe that certain kinds of rights are less valid than others. They are not. These people have the right to act according to their religious beliefs.
Rights are not distributed by the government. Some laws are immoral. People have the right to act accordingly. I can disagree but I would never assume to say one’s rights are less real or actionable than mine.
So vote with your dollars. If you disagree with their moral stance, never darken their door or become an employee. Simple.
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VMA214
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 1:23pmI’m sorry to burst your bubble but you don’t pay taxes freely, they are taken from you…can you say THEFT…
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Dougsopinion
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 5:03pmFreethought: I don’t abide by laws that are passed by the supreme court {ha ha} if they conflict with laws given to us by God HImself. To say otherwise is what a dictator and his minions would say. So yeah, that kinda makes you a troll.
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G.E.R
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:28amAll the pill does is delay ovulation and the release of the egg from the ovary. It works the morning after intercourse, NOT the morning after fertilization.
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Red herring
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:15pm@G.E.R. I think you are missing the point here. It does not matter if you feel like it is a problem. The issue here is THEY feel like it is morally wrong and the government is not letting them freely follow their conscience. You should stand to protect their rights even if you disagree with them.
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Sparky101
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:35pmG.E.R. I suggest you take a course in embryology, as your current understanding is grossly over-rated. The drug you mention does not prevent fertilization unless taken well before ovulation. Conception usually takes place in the fallopian tube within a day of intercourse. What makes this drug an abortifacient is that it makes the endometrium a hostile environment for the 5-8 day old human embryo, preventing it from implanting and obtaining nutrients and thereby causing it to die. A life conceived is killed.
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G.E.R
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:38pm@Sparky
1, Fertilization does not occur immediately. It can take up to 5 days
2, At that stage it’s actually a parasite.
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barber2
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:23pmGER: “parasite.” So much for the value of human life ! Our Chicago radicals are beginning to sound more like the SS types who were basically National Socialists. Ours sure aren’t national ! Ours hate “traditional” Anerica Our radicals are actually International Socialists but share that nasty atheist core . Dangerous thinking…
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circleDwagons
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:48pmG.E.R. “parasite” LOL We have many that breath air.
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joey g
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:25amI will do alot more shopping at Hobby Lobby…I wish more places would stand up to our dictators in washington
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TADTAD
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:20amThey’ll be sorry. “Uncle Sam,” the lecherous old bastige that he is, will lock them down, lock, stock and barrel in a New York second, thusly setting the example by ruining their business because they dared to disobey the beast. Sotowhatever is a Marxist dupe, traitor and criminal at the highest level.
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zorro
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:26amBring it on, Uncle Sam. Close them down. Who is it really going to affect?
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barber2
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:30amDid you ever think that our American government could act this way ? Individual conscience is now disregarded in a sensitive area previously considered a private moral issue ? Something stinks here. Big Brother .
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copatriots
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:48am@ BARBER
You are so right. The government overreach is mind-numbing. And, 0′s second term with increased flexibility hasn’t even started yet. The czars have been rewriting policy behind the scenes for 4 years. Their agenda is really going to start being unleashed on us………
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Via Dolorosa
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:24pmYou think them closing down Hobby Lobby won’t affect you? Every store forced to close for not bowing down is one step closer to closing down YOUR rights and freedom.
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zorro
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:29amI’m aware of that. So Democrats are going to have to play that card. I want them to. I want the world to see what these bastards really want.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:18amYes this company needs our support, encouragement and applause for standing up for what is right! Don’t let them stand alone in this. Is there a way to contribute to any sort of legal fund or something to help this company?
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ChongRRMC
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:38pmExcellent post, and great idea….
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AZfreeman
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:19pmHobby Lobby needs to rethink it’s own business strategy as so many American business are doing right now.
We are a nation being driven into decline along with Europe, and our gober’ment is our enemy in this regard. “All enemies foreign and DOMESTIC” has little meaning today. These massive, intrusive laws and regulations are meant to destroy us. Those who don’t comply will be eliminated like HL. The result will be a U.S.S.A (united socialist states of america).
Americans have always been bred to feel like we should fight and die to preserve our freedoms (and freedoms of others), but we have been timid too long, and put off action until it may be too late! We have allowed the socialist philosophy to spread like a cancer. So many freedoms have already been lost and so many more will be gone in the next few years…. I wonder if at some point it will become futile and escape will be the only answer?
The good news is that freedom is still alive and thriving in some places around the world. It may be time for HL and a few hardy souls to join ‘John Galt’ someplace like Chile. Do some research.
From Soverignman.com:
“…In May 2012, there were only 4 or 5 Papa John’s locations in all of Chile. Today, just six months later, there are 13…” Papa John gets it. ….rf
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:17amI hope there are a lot of politicians and other people that are worried about being aborted from Heaven if they travel the course of evil. There is time to change from evil to good. Love, peace, hope and joy to you all.
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scootervanneuter
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:17amGood for them – faith in action, not just words.
I think I’ll drop by HL and buy some stuff this mogning! Afterward, a delicious sammy at Chick-Fil-A! :)
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zorro
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:25amHow many people will be out of a job if Hobby Lobby closes it’s doors? Think about it, this family is set. They don’t need the money. If I were them, I’d begin the process to close all the stores I have nation-wide. The unemployed can thank they President they voted for.
If Wal-Mart had any moral convictions like they did when Sam Walton lived, Obamacare would have never passed.
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joey g
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:27amme too
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copatriots
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:31amI can assure you that very few Hobby Lobby / Mardel’s employees voted for 0bama.
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zorro
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:30amI meant “they” in the generic sense. As in, the majority of the country.
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Flag-Man
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:17amPraise the Lord for Hobby Lobby For standing up for it principals
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Cavallo
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:16amGood to see their faith means more to them than money. I wonder if the Catholics feel the same way. We will see. Just wait until they mandate that catholic hospitals MUST provide abortion services, and that individual OBGYNs MUST provide abortion services. Its on its way. It has already been proposed more than once.
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smokie
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 1:29pmThe Catholics in my family sold out for a bowl of soup. I don’t think my mother even knew about the birth control mandate. She likes pretty pictures and doesn’t like to think.
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kickagrandma
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:16amGOD BLESS YOU, HOBBY LOBBY, AND PROTECT YOU IN THE NAME ABOVE ALL names, JESUS THE CHRIST.
We will find the nearest HOBBY LOBBY and do all our crafting shopping there from now on.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:27amWe all must stand with them, to do what is right and morally true and just.
I hope they are prepared for all of Hades to come after them from the Federal government; Obama will stop at nothing to make them into an example of intimidation and control via fear and terror.
God be with them and all of us in this increasing time that will try all of us to the truth of our souls and integrity.
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Kupo
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:15amI just hope they have the conviction to stick to their guns once the fines actually start rolling in.
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BasketFullOfPuppies
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:24amI don’t know anything about them, other than what I’ve read. But, I suspect that they will take it to the Supreme Court, and I suspect that they will liquidate their company before they bend on this. Their faith appears to be very strong. Good for them!
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copatriots
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:26amOh……they will. I know folks who work at Mardel’s. Sadly, this will likely put the company out of business.
The store I frequent starts each day with prayer. These dear people know the battle they are in and what is at stake.
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PATIENTLY-----WAITING
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:15amAgreed!!!
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Free_Thought
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:15amWhether you agree or not, the law is the law. At 1.3m a fine, this company will last about 3 weeks tops incurring that everyday. Like it or lump it as my grandpa always used to say.
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sta
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:20amYeah, that’s what the Founding Fathers said about the Stamp Act….wait, what?
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IndyGuy
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:21amI guess we should thank your Granpa for breeding sheeple such as yourself eh??? NOT…
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mrunner
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:22amWhen a law is unconstitutional, should it be obeyed? Thank God for good people like the owners of Hobby Lobby. Stand on principle. I Will Not Comply!!!
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Cavallo
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:23amIf they have conviction they will then close up shop. Hobby Lobby employs, or did, over thirteen thousand employees. Hobby Lobby may go the way of Hostess, driven from business by godless communists both.
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TeresaJ
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:27amAs far as I am concerned, it is not law, and Obama is a fraud.
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Owt_Raged
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:41amObviously, you have already lost your free thought. The People are not bound by unconstitutional laws. There will be more of this in the future. People are tired of government over-reaching. They are tired of government trying to control things that the constitution limits them from.
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StormRider
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:46am“And the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.” I am willing to bet you don’t support this law so ardently, do you?
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AvengerK
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:50amYou idiot FUZZY_THOUGHT. Do you really think the punitive penalties of Obamacare of up to $1.3 million a day will hold up especially when religious freedoms are being compromised? That stinking piece of legislation is about to collapse under it’s own weight.
Hobby Lobby is calling Obama and Sebelius’ bluff and Hobby Lobby will win.
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Free_Thought
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:01pmTeresa… As far as you are concerned sums it up. When proceedings occur that find this law unconstutional then and only then should they change it. Did anyone complain about the patriot act which took away everyones’s privacy? Or does it only matter when it is a liberal gov that does it? I actually think that the right to bear arms is just that. A right. It should not be repealed. However limiting people to a certain amount of weapons as well as stricter guidelines for people wanting certain types of firearms is needed. You should have to pass psyche and special training in order to get them. I didnt refuse to pay taxes when the bush adm. Declared an unconstitutional war against iraq. Why make the soldiers suffer because i disagree? My president decided to go to war. Whether i agree or disagree doesnt matter.
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Mapache
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 2:15pmThe law is IMMORAL. Requiring an individual or a company to subsidize or provide abortion services for the taking of innocent human life can never be justified. If they took out the birth control part and the abortion services part there would not be this problem. This is simply an end run around the governmental prohibitions against funding abortion. Since the government can’t do it, it’ll just order the citizens under force of law to do it.
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NHwinter
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 3:31pmFree_Thought – unconstitutional war against Iraq? Bush went to Congress and got approval. You didn’t mind that Sadam killed thousands of his own people? Do you mind if Obama has sent troops to many different countries without the approval of Congress? You should care about everything the president does that takes away any right of the people. We are losing our freedoms every day under this president. If we do not stand up soon we will all be slaves to the elite government with a dictator calling the shots.
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Fubared
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 5:27pmFree ****** Thought
Hahahahahaha. How many converts you up to? But, but, but. Yay Hobby Lobby!
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Mapache
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:14amThis is a modern Tea Party. Defiance in the face of Tyranny. All sons and daughters of Liberty should support this great company. Hobby Lobby is willing to stand fast at the bridge at Concord…who will join them?
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Flag-Man
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:19amSemper Fi
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joey g
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:29amyes….stand for something …or stand for nothing like the republicazns…
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:29amIndeed, we will not comply.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:37amIf they start a legal fund to fight this in the courts I will donate! Otherwise, I think I might be needing something from their store… time to go shopping!
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TeresaJ
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:13amGod Bless you guys.
Now if we could just stand up against the constitutionality of Obamacare altogether.
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Cavy2see
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:25pmWe won’t win…our loss of families…Dad (male) & Mom (female) is gone…the new way is here…kill babies before they are born…and have babies if you are a gay couple…all backwards…on tv tonight 4 quints were born to 2 moms…isn’t that wonderful… what kind of norm will be in the future…give me back my old fashioned mom (f) and dad (m)…we are loosing ground why? because we took God out of everything…his biblical rules…please Lord help us all…our nation needs your ways…and our constitution we pray for it to be honored also…I am so saddened that good Christian and Catholic’s have to suffer this pain…maybe speaking out on here doesn’t help the cause…but it helps us to make it clear where we stand…we will have to answer to God one day…each of us will…Thank you for your post TeresAJ each one of us should post our thoughts…but use more words to express yourself to make it clear…I hope you know what I am saying on here…Jesus … life will not be easy for us…Amen
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IndyGuy
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:13amGood for them…Obama needs to be told to stuff it by EVERY business in America…
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:12amI hope there are a lot of politicians or other people out their that will worry about being aborted from Heaven if they continue on the path of evil.
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LBJDIDIT1963
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:12amWe need to rally behind this great Company! I wish all businesses, small and large; would flip this Government the bird!
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Free_Thought
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:16amAnd go bankrupt causing more hatdworking americans their jobs because they choose to not follow the law. Great idea.
jerryod1627
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:18amI agree, I rarely shop there but I will now. I will stop and buy something from the store everytime I go by a Hobby Lobby, even if it’s only a couple of dollars spent! If everyone did the same it would certainly show our support for the owners.
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CALLMEMSGT
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:20amMaybe I will take up knitting or macrame just to through them a few bones!
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@leftfighter
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:22amGod bless them and the stand they’re making.
This and several other provisions of Obamacare are truly is an affront to what Christians should hold dear.
Sadly, too many Christmas-and-Easter “christians” (notice the small c) are too far away from their beliefs to realize they’ve lost track of where they should be to keep in line with God’s will.
…and before encinom chimes in…
Christians are all about helping the poor and infirm, but doing it of their own free will. Christian churches are more chairtable than almost any secular group in the country.
Afterall, charity is only charity when it’s not mandated.
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Marine25
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:23amWhat will you say when an orthodox jewish CEO refuses to cover expensive vaccinations for children, or a jehovah’s witness owned company refuses to cover blood transfusions. Why not demand employees provide receipts for all purchases of any kind so corporate can make certain their employees are spending what used to be their money in a company approved fashion. This isn’t about religious freedom, this is about religious imposition.
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:24amFREE_THOUGHT : Are you kidding me? You think that we, the people, should just comply with every
jerk-water ‘law’ (signed by one party) that comes down the pike? NO PRIVATE company should be forced to do something they oppose ethically. The US GOV is very wrong and I applaud HOBBY LOBBY for their stand. I will support them any way I can.
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randy
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:25amYou do not have to follow an unconstitutional law idiot!
Go have another hit, and listen to more Dark side of the moon.
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TeresaJ
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:26amObamacare is unconstitutional, along with forcing someone to act against their conscience. Obama and half of America are already “not following the law.” When “law” becomes a dictatorship violating basic human rights established in our Constitution, it’s our duty to defy it by any means possible.
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mrunner
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:27am@freethought I hope the good people at Hobby Lobby continue to pay their employees and don’t pay the fines. Let your dictator Obama send some ObamaZombies to padlock the doors at Hobby Lobby. It will then be clear who the villian is… an overreaching government with a bunch of something for nothing ObamaZombies in lockstep behind their dictator. Let the ObamaZombie Apocalyse begin! I am ready…
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TeresaJ
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:29am@ Marine
I say that is their right, just like I have a right to find another job.
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sta
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:30amI go into Hobby Lobby for ribbon and walk out with 200.00 worth of stuff. They have everything. Want to build model airplanes? They have them. Tomato trellises? Got it, Yarn, material, kids crafts, you name it. AND they honor Our Lord by being closed on Sundays.
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BasketFullOfPuppies
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:32am@Freethought – Some people stand higher on the principle ladder, than you obviously do. FWIW, they built that company. They can tear it down, should they so desire. That is not your concern. Their employess will suffer, while they try to find new jobs. But, they will find new jobs.
Once you give up your principles, you will never get them back. Once you give up your freedom, you will never see it again, in your lifetime.
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barber2
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:34amAgree. Everybody needs a hobby. Good way to start the new year .
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Cavallo
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:37am@Free_Thought, and violate their faith to keep working at the will of the State? Why? Is the purpose of Hobby Lobby to provide jobs? If you suddenly found your line of work required you to do something morally reprehensible, is it not your right to quit, or should one keep doing morally reprehensible actions because the Central Autocratic Authority and their sycophantic fascist thugs think your work might be beneficial to their overall scheme?
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Exidor
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 12:08pmJust FYI. Hobby Lobby does a great job of framing stuff. I’ve had diplomas and certificates framed there and the price is right and everyone of them looks fantastic.
I highly recommend this place and admire the stand they’re taking.
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AugustKat
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 6:45pmWe don’t have a Hobby Lobby here that I know about. Would support them if we did! (gee, time to take out the rubber stamps and fun scissors again!)
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missdagnytaggart
Posted on December 28, 2012 at 11:43pmHow many businesses will go bankrupt or be forced to close their doors because of Obamacare? How many jobs to our economy will be lost because of this monstrously unconstitutional piece of garbage that none of our lawmakers have read?
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