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Even if Congress manages to come up with a solution to avert the “fiscal cliff,” a combination of year-end tax increases and spending cuts, it won’t be worth anything because it’ll probably only deal with tax rates and ignore the problem of runaway government spending, or so say Texas Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul.
“I think we have passed that point of no return where we can actually get our house in order,” Rep. Paul said Friday on CNBC. “I believe there is too much bipartisanship on the spending. Nobody is talking about cutting any spending.”
“Republicans and Democrats,” he continued, “they pretend they’re fighting up there, but they really aren’t. They’re arguing over power, spin, and who looks good, and who looks bad, but they’re all trying to preserve this system where they can spend what they want, take care of their friends, and let the Fed print money when they need it.”
However, that’s not to say Rep. Paul doesn’t believe U.S. lawmakers will come up with temporary solutions to things like the “cliff.”
“[It’ll be] sort of like — how many times have they had a ‘solution’ for the Greece crisis? About ten or 15 times?” the congressman asked, referring to the eurozone’s most unstable and financially broken member.
“There’s no admission that they [U.S. lawmakers] have a crisis. They have no admission that the country is bankrupt. There’s no admission that our government is spending way too much and it’s way beyond our means and there’s not a single bit of effort to cut anything,” the congressman continued.
“They are so they so far removed from admitting the seriousness of this crisis and if they don’t admit it, they can’t solve the problem. They’re like a bunch of drug addicts that just want another fix. That’s what they are looking for,” he concluded:
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Salamander
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:40amLet’s forget the President–he is a lost cause! But, spending bills ORIGINATE in Congress (NOT THE Senate, Harry)! Congress gets elected every 2 years, the President every 4 and the Senate every 6! So, let’s get organized and CLEAN HOUSE! Make our Congressional candidates SIGN A PLEDGE, punishable by REMOVAL FROM OFFICE and FORFEITURE OF ANY BENEFITS! Cut spending–OR ELSE you’re OUT! Real cuts, not just a slow-down in growth! It may take 4 or 5 elections, but I think if we can regain control of Congress (we the people, not just any old affinity group)! And, one of the steps is that ANY attempt to ORGANIZE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES FOR ANY PURPOSE MUST BE ILLEGAL–and that includes labor unions! the next step is that ANY ATTEMPT to corner or control the market for jobs (again, mandatory participation in a union with forced dues), MUST BE ILLEGAL! Unions, where they exist, should ONLY BE FOR THE PURPOSE of FACILITATING good relations with MANAGEMENT–their EMPLOYER! All funds collected MUST be spent in the same fiscal year–and spent LOCALLY for the benefit of the LOCAL MEMBERS! No lobbying, no supporting political candidates, no bribes or payments for special favors! Then, we MUST TACKLE WELFARE, as it has suffered MISSION CREEP! Who doesn’t want to help the least amonst us? But that least is the 1% (or maybe 3%) we ought to be focused on– NOT the 1% at the opposite end of the economic spectrum! It shouldn’t be the 48% of our population on some form of assist
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Lordchamp
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:58amRegain like we just did with the whitehouse and senate? Yeah we really did the right thing there didn’t we. Do we even know if our votes REALLY even counted?
Is the ballot box even still the answer?
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e7705
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:58amSalamander, you are absolutely correct in what you are saying. All we can do is pray for a miracle for our country. With the help of the schools making most of us functionally illiterate, half of our country is now uninformed and gullible. A dictator only needs to let what can come naturally to humans – greed – take over. This has happened with all those with their hands out looking for freebies.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:58am“It is self-evident that our freedoms have been severely limited and the apparent prosperity we still have, is nothing more than leftover wealth from a previous time. This fictitious wealth based on debt and benefits from a false trust in our currency and credit, will play havoc with our society when the bills come due. This means that the full consequence of our lost liberties is yet to be felt.”
-Ron Paul’s Farewell Address to Congress
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dublinthewagons
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:06amDo you really think elections will cure the spending disease in Washington? Its far too late for elections. Only force will work as the corrupt polititions control the election count.
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hair2day
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:52amGreat ideas…..
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SocialistSlayer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:03pmRevolution time is Nearing ! Nobody wants it but it’s coming because of Washington – I just hope their heads are the first to roll !
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The_Jerk
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:06pmWhen you cut through all of the crap, what we are really talking about is, what kind, and how free, of a society do you want to leave your children. Do you want your children to live in a society where they do not, can not, make decisions for themselves? Do you want to leave them a society that rewards failures, losers, and the lazy, by taking from the hard-working, successful, and energetic?
If you say yes to the above, then your children will live in a failed banana republic, because others around the globe will choose differently. The Darwinian rules of survival do not change for people calling themselves American. We are becoming post 1917 Russia.
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nakoapa
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:07pmActually the only way to fix this is to fix congress. The only way to fix congress is to hole a constitutional convention and limit it to certain objectives. These should include term limits, making them pay for and participate in health care like the rest of us, get rid of the pensions and make them pay for their own 401K like the rest of us. And finally make them subject to the same laws as the rest of us. Anything they pass, they must follow also. The office was supposed to be a service to the country, not a service to them. Let them finish their limited term and return to the private sector and go back to making a living. Maybe then they will be more apt to pass laws that help the country, not hinder it.
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oneshiner
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:10pmUnited, we stand………Divided we fall and that’s what’s happened. No one candidate can be all we wish for, but we didn’t stand for Romney and because of all the division, we lost.
Sure, I liked Ron Paul mostly, but knew he didn’t have a chance in hell to win, so what we did collectively, was divide and FALL. When election time came, everyone knew Paul couldn’t pull his weight, nor the other offshoots, so we collectively handed back the reins to the worst of all.
So, those who wanted to stand by their principle, voted for obama by proxy.
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dave928
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:26pmI’m afraid we don’t have the 20 plus years to do it. I think the ONLY way to fix it is for the People to go to Washington in mass with the support of the Military and physically round up every member of the three branches AND everyone who works for their offices and administrations. They will be stripped of all voting rights, they cannot hold public office at any level again EVER, they cannot work for a Government Department (State and/or Federal), NO pensions for any office holder from now on. Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments. Supreme Court Justices are appointed for 10 year terms and can be reappointed only once by Senate and House confirmation. And finally term limits on House member at 3, Senate at 1, President at 1. The job title of Career Politician should go the way of Telegraph Operator and Milk Man..
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optionout
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:26pmI agree with DUBLINTHEWAGONS. The time for elections to work has past. Only armed intervention of some sort will do anything.
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IndyNWguy
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:36pm@Oneshiner – Your post reveals your ignorance. It was the vote for Romney that got Obama elected. Romney had no solutions to this problem. NONE. Go back and look at his “plan” or even Ryan’s “plan” and tell us all how they addressed this issue. You can’t – because they didn’t.
You let the media (including Glenn) tell you that only Romney could beat Obama. This is a fact, because if you respond to this defedning yourself it will be with stats fed to you by the media.
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SouthTexan
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:44pmI agree, and I would add this is a hostile takeover. The ponce schemes are doomed to fail. They are not capable of having an intellectually honest discussion about anything. Most people realize this incremental demise of freedom and prosperity is by design. An agenda that contradicts everything our Constitution stands for and was designed to protect us from. Elections don’t matter,corruption is too deep. We the people can restore and enforce the Constitution to regain our freedoms. Here is the plan:
http://www.joinamericaagain.com/step1.php
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dissentnow
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:13pm@Oneshiner
“So, those who wanted to stand by their principle, voted for obama by proxy”
WOW, your post is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with our political system and the American people in general. When did standing up for your principles become a bad thing?
The problem is that the republican party stopped standing up for their principles and gave in to the progressives.
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Jeff Bassett
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:15pmThe real issue preventing a solution is the electorate. Despite the economy, world politics, domestic agenda and even a party that voted down God three times in its convention; and finally huge voter fraud, Obama was able to win with a close election. When social values allow for such without an uproar, the nation has passed the point of no return.
Politicians look to sound bites, blame and rhetoric because that works well with the general public over substance. Any republic dealing with such in history is lost.
The issue at hand is now how to now survive the downfall of America. Bork was a visionary, Ron Paul a realist with what is to come.
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Marine25
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:27pm@ salamander
Your pledge idea is what Grover Norquist would do if it weren’t unconstitutional on so many levels. Your idea of having unions only so long as they play nice-nice with management is not quite as draconian as what Hitler did, but you get a lollipop anyway. As for your help the 1, maybe even 3 poorest percent and get the rest off government dependence, how will you tell every senior, every veteran, every disabled person, every public servant (your cops, your firefighters, your local prison guards all fall into the famous 47%) every serviceman, that they are cut off. No salary, no benefits even though they paid for them, no public services, no accomadations for the disabled or for veterans.
Simple ideas from simple minds don’t work in a complex world. It’s the great lesson of the teaparty.
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:04pmThere is a solution that does not require pulling your guns out of the closet, but will require strength in mind and soul.
“We have in this country substantially two national governments,one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions, the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument. If the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system will result. We will, in that event, pass from the era on Constitutional liberty, guarded and protected by a written Constitution, into an era of legislative absolutism.” – Honorable Supreme Court Justice John Harlan Downes vs. Bidwell 182 U.S. 244,381 1901.
We have been there for quite some time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYleC7l86ys&feature=plcp
If we want to take back our country, we will have to force a crash of the economy by refusing to give anymore money to the defacto government and all of us turn to the dejure government, which IS in place right now. Watch the video to the end and go to the website it shows.
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pdw
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:05pmThere has not be a bill presented for 6 months, seems to me everyone wants to blame Congress but when this president wants a bill passed he does a lot of hollering and finger pointing. I have not heard anything from him on this issue except how to play golf or take another vacation.
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Vegasdad702
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:18pmHow I miss this man already! Congress had a voice of reason and sanity with Congressman Paul. Now WHO will speak to the truth of our very distorted, and very corrupt ways in Washington? People speak of revolution and a moment in which the people will rise up and take back what they deem as a free America, but this is not only silly its foolish. The revolution is a revolution of thoughts and ideas. The government has been systematically setting up things like the Patriot Act, NDAA, CISPA, and who knows what else, in order to control and advert just such an uprising. Its NEVER going to happen that way and shouldn’t. It was and always has been about waking up peoples hearts and minds to the principles of LIBERTY. If the American public doesn’t get it by now, I doubt they ever will. We have been destroyed by our own complacency and sloth. We value trends and not time tested values. Our identity as a whole is whatever our social engineering dictates it is, and the public eats it up. Common Americans could care less about these issues, and people like us who eat up the news and chat on threads are weirdos. LOL. We cannot save the world, but we can save ourselves and maybe a few who are willing to listen. “Peace, is a powerful message”-RP, and its the only way we will ever win the hearts and minds of our fellow countrymen. The best weapons we have in this fight is the TRUTH about LIBERTY. No other instrument, be it physical, or verbal, wields more power. God Bless be safe friend
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RabidPatriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:59pmIt’s a race to see what happens first: A fascist or communist state where the American people are under total control of the government with no way to defend themselves or civil war with a French Revolution style end to our oppressive government.
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oneshiner
Dec. 29, 2012 at 8:34pmIndyNWguy and Dissent: NO! It appears that YOU people don’t understand, It takes more than 50% of the people to vote for a winner. I don’t care if 10% of you supported Ron Paul……he had NO Chance of winning this election under any conditions. Now, if he had the majority of conservative voting for him, I’m sure more would have looked at him seriously. Only fools threw their votes away to low man on totem pole, insuring obama to be the winner. I think that’s what some of you wanted.
Sometimes we have to take 2nd best to get rid of the worst of the worst. It’s the fault of your kind.
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Al J Zira
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:31pmSalamander: You’re absolutely right…….now what? I’ve heard statements like yours before and you read them all the time on this site, but no one seems to know the next step. I’m all in for completely revamping congress and flushing out the waste. But how?
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:31pmOneShiner, Absolutely clueless aren’t you. The election fraud, coupled with the establishment media, along with the star struck public (like yourself), the violation of federal law, the coercion and everything else that the establishment did, and the blatant rules change against the voice of the delegates at the convention made sure that Paul and anyone else like him in the future, had and never will have no chance. Stay in close contact with the sandman if you want, but I will keep my eyes open.
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tmbell87
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:34pm@Oneshiner,
Speaking of fools, you should really learn the difference between the words ensure and insure. Furthermore, avoiding the question asked of you by those two posters through the use of ad hominem and other attacks does nothing to promote your position. How about you try having an actual discussion with somebody where actual facts are used rather than conjecture.
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TheWhiteFalcon
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:36pm@Marine
Yep, that’s exactly what our creditors will say, too. “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t know you paid for it, sure, I’ll keep funding the giant Ponzi scheme for you”.
It’s all these complex ideas that are the reason we’re in this mess. The simple idea would be to have a limited government, but NO, the people had to have a piece of that massive GUBMINT treasure chest. And 50% of them still haven’t realized where the money comes from.
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chicago76
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:52pmSorry fishbate, politics ain’t gonna do it anymore. We all knew it before the last presidential election but no one wanted to admit it.
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:52pmSalamander- if only we could stop the lies & the theft. I’ve paid into social security and Medicare @ 15.3% in addition to income taxes, property taxes, phone taxes, utility taxes, sales taxes, metro taxes, Internet taxes, on & on. They release numbers based on fuzzy math saying people are on govt entitlement programs. Well I paid for social security & Medicare but govt uses those “funds” to giveaway Medicaid & SSI welfare benefits. None of their fuzzy math tells you the real truth.
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muffythetuffy
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:02pmTHE LIVES OF 310 MILLION PEOPLE MUST BE DESTROYED BEFORE CONGRESS WILL ACT
Foreign troops will be patrolling our nation, pensioners will be in the gutter, dollars will be burned to keep warm, the wealthy will flee the country and cities will be on fire. Only then will Congress have to admit they were wrong and many will be committing suicide. Elections have consequences and those consequences are coming due.
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Mil Mom
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:06pm@Salamander
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:40am
Let’s forget the President–he is a lost cause! But, spending bills ORIGINATE in Congress (NOT THE Senate, Harry)!
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You’re so right, so why isn’t anyone pointing that out in the stories about the Senate passed hurrincane releif bill. All the articles point out the repubs tried to pull some things out of it, and tell the House to hurry up and pass it. The house says they don’t have time, but NOBODY’S POINTING OUT IT’S A SPENDING BILL AND ORIGINATED IN THE SENATE==NOT THE HOUSE==!
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danger08
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:14pmThe federal gov’t has lost sight of its purpose. When established it was to provide for common defense, establish justice, ensure liberty, promote general welfare & ensure domestic tranquility.
Now, Think that they were governing 13 colonies. If they thought this was all the fed’s should handle for 13 colonies why do the fed’s think they should “manage” a country of 50 states & 300+ million people in the manner in which they do? IT WAS “THEIR” VISION OF FEDERAL GOV’T!
Common Defense- protecting the country from enemies, foreign & domestic. We have fought wars for freedom, against communism & jihadi’s. The nation building we do is misplaced. As bad as it may sound, when we go to war, we should go to war. Quit f’ing around for years. We could have & should have been out of the ME many years ago & have lost too many lives to politicians.
Justice- See Benghazi, Fast & Furious & the many court systems operating on agendas outlined by special interest groups.
Ensuring liberty- We are under a constant onslaught of government over reach & litigation ridding us of liberties this country was founded on.
General welfare- to ensure every individual has the opportunity to make something of themselves. Too many people that don’t take advantage of what they are offered because it requires work. I understand people need help. But when it becomes generational, it’s on you.
The Founder’s vision for our nation has been corrupted.
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Spitfire1938
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:15pmAgreed, but it’s more than that. It’s unlikely America will ever witness an UNFIXED election again… expect to loose the House therefore! Honest elections are in the past! Most importantly though; no political solution is possible anymore because our Government; Local, State, and Federal, has already been taken over in a silent Stalinist communist putsch! Americans have lost their freedom to Obamas PROMISE of fulfilling “Their” DESIRES! And those promises are compelling to a populace that is now, largely immoral. Among our desires are for HIM to GIVE us what ‘others’ have that we could never afford before AND without needing to ‘work’ for it. We desire not to be held responsible for ANYTHING we do. We want the ability to get health insurance, any time, for any reason, after the fact and at no extra cost, and, to have someone else pay for it. We want to have sex with anyone, including Babies, pre-teens and children… without ANY consequences. We want NO limits on who we can marry or what defines a family. We want polygamous marriage between men and women, with homosexuals and children mixed in. We want guaranteed State responsibility and support for out of wedlock children. We want he right to kill any deformed, mentally or physically handicapped, or unwanted fetus or baby up to six weeks after birth. Do I need to go on? I could; probably for hours!
We are witnessing the total moral collapse of the United States! Who is going to stop it?
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Jefferson
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:06pmAs the feces you’ve squirted into your beds dries to a painful crust, I hope these words burn in your minds like a giant red hot branding iron.
You rejected the only man who had the most support from the military. More support than ALL of the others COMBINED. Including ohmamma.
You rejected the only man who had the deepest understanding of monetary policy and how it affects our economy.
You rejected the only man who had a PROVEN record of not only being a contrasting paleo-conservative, but also had a consistent and stellar record of fidelity to the Constitution.
You rejected the only man who was a pioneer in bringing awareness and activism against the Federal Reserve, which is and will continue to be, the root of our financial downfall.
You rejected the only candidate that had not only the most military support, but the most youth, independent, and recovering Democrat support. These people didn’t just sit out the election because he wasn’t running, it was because Mittens sucked as a candidate. That’s why you had “low turnout” in both the military and civilian populace.
You rejected the only man who either tied or BEAT mittens in head to head polls against ohmamma.
You rejected the only man who has been WARNING of the “FISCAL CLIFF” for OVER 20 years, and had the only solid plan to prevent it.
Instead you backed some slick haired car salesman. Now we’re looking down the barrel of martial law and financial ruin.
We tried to warn you. Enjoy the sh!tsandwich.
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SendTheMeteors
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:15pmThe Jerk says, “Do you want to leave them [your children] a society that rewards failures, losers, and the lazy, by taking from the hard-working, successful, and energetic?”
Jerk, for the last 20 years the disparity in wealth and income between the super rich and the rest of us has grown larger and larger. The Walton family, that one single family, has more wealth than the lower 40% of the country. The elite wealthy, the top 0.1% of wealthy Americans own more and more of America. And it’s not because they’ve become become better entrepreneurs, it’s because the playing field is tilted more and more in their favor.
The rich are getting richer, the middle class is shrinking -and their wages are stagnant – and the class of poor people is expanding. That’s the direction the country is headed, not because the rich are getting smarter and honing their entrepreneurial skills, but because they are gaming the system.
In spite of the recession the rich are making more money than ever – record profits. How many raises have you gotten lately?
The Waltons are worth more than than the lower 40% of the country. If the government enacts laws that help them own more than 50% of the country, or 60% of the country, does that make you more free? What if just a couple of families own 90% of America, is that good for America?
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chris72sax
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:40pmThis can only be stopped at the local and state level. Like minded people moving to the same states and divorcing ourselves from Washington DC. Why do we want to stay with countrymen who constantly conspire to steal their neighbors wealth? We aren’t changing them and they aren’t changing us. If you aren’t willing to put your belief in self-governance to the test, you might as well get a labotamy and become an Obamabot. This nation doesn’t have the balls to stop state independence an besides we could all stop working and drain the treasury dry.
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Anamah
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:48pmThis is the Obama spending cliff nothing to do with a fiscal , or the taxes or the Republicans… this is the Obama show, his master piece, his bluff, his unstoppable wasteful spending his obsession to bankrupt the country. This is the debt specially for the unnecessary and lacked of intelligence addiction overspending tax payers money… Common stupidity to accept this behavior from who is in charge of our money and safety.
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NeoFan
Dec. 30, 2012 at 12:21amNot even the great almighty Ron Paul will stop the impending collapse of our federal government.
The fed is going to collapse and the people will be at the mercy of the type of state government that they have voted in. Good luck to those in welfare and non charitable states.
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Concernd4USA
Dec. 30, 2012 at 12:34amThat is a great idea in a fantasy world but are you willing to have shyty roads, less police and for all the pork in your state to be cut out.
This country is in for a rude awakening, no one wants to make the tough choices and cut ther own spending. Are you really for cutting entitlements that is great when someone like Beck talks about it because he does not need it. These people were told they were getting these benefits and now when it is too late in the game for them to do something about it.
The rich are f^^kin hypocrites about the whole thing to. Sure granny give up your SS but don’t raise my taxes. I say we go back to the Reagan tax rates of 45% for the wealthy, they can afford it. These are the same people that pretend to care about family values but want to cut SS and medicare and not raise taxes to 39% are you kidding me. That is why we lost this year in a big way, the people have spoken and this love affair with the uber rich is killing the republican party.
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grimmster
Dec. 30, 2012 at 5:10amSo ron, if they are “drug addicts”, is that the same name you will use to describe those who partake in your legalize all drugs campaign?…….Idiot.
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bbyrdhouse
Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:03am@LORDCHAMP – I think you are correct …
I heard Glenn Beck say for 3 years how “we surround them” and “there are more of us then there are of them” but this past November has proven that they surround us …. there are more of them then there are of us.
Ron Paul is correct in that we have already passed the point of no return …. Oh yeah, but he was just some crazy guy … at least that is what Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levin told us.
The GOP establishment didn’t want anything to do with Ron Paul and therefore sold us another liberal RHINO in Romney (McCain being the first) …
We all know how that turned out.
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sarcoq
Dec. 30, 2012 at 10:43amI am in awe of the foresight of our founding fathers regarding the guidelines set forth in the constitution. Nearly every possible scenario was addressed based on Godly principles and values. It works unfailingly for good, honest, men of truth. I fear they did not anticipate the moral degenerates in leadership positions in today’s society. Today’s man has failed us. The constitution did not.
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Alky
Dec. 30, 2012 at 11:21amSpending bills originate in the House, go to Senate to be ratified but stop at Harry’s desk instead. I read somewhere there’s about 200 passed bills from the house stalled out in the Senate just like the budget. A lot of those bills would put millions of Americans back to work… but for Harry/Obama.
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Lamarr01
Dec. 30, 2012 at 11:21amPlease listen to Ron Paul. Any fix will just postpone the collapse. America has been systematically drained of its wealth by a cabal of international bankers and globalists. Ron Paul preached audit the Fed. The first and only audit of the Fed revealed 16 trillion US dollars had be created to prop up the international banking cartel in 2008-2009. This dumped a mountain of bad loans on We The People. The privately owned Fed said they will pay the U.S. back…right!
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Rowgue
Dec. 30, 2012 at 11:37amThe senate is part of congress genius. The senate and the house of representatives together make up congress.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Dec. 30, 2012 at 11:58amThis brother Winston is going to have a heart attack if he keeps yelling like this
Just scroll down
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TMOverbeck
Dec. 30, 2012 at 12:08pmSALAMANDER: Let’s forget the President–he is a lost cause! But, spending bills ORIGINATE in Congress (NOT THE Senate, Harry)!
MILMOM: You’re so right, so why isn’t anyone pointing that out in the stories about the Senate passed hurrincane releif bill. All the articles point out the repubs tried to pull some things out of it, and tell the House to hurry up and pass it. The house says they don’t have time, but NOBODY’S POINTING OUT IT’S A SPENDING BILL AND ORIGINATED IN THE SENATE==NOT THE HOUSE==!
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I think the problem is that there’s no real accountability in the government anymore. The Senate’s making spending bills, against what the Constitution says, but what recourse do we have? It’s like someone’s misbehaving kid going “yeah, I’m acting up, what’re ya gonna do about it? You lay a finger on me, my mommy’s gonna sue you!” We have no recourse except to vote the Senators out of office… and too many of them are easily reelected, thanks to voters with short memories.
Same with the man up top… and this is a most chilling prospect. Isn’t there ANY system in place for nullifying executive orders? What’s to stop Obama from executive-ordering the dissolution of Congress, or declaring the debt ceiling null and void? And all he has to say is “What’re you gonna do, impeach me? Even if Boehner had the cojones to do so, the Senate doesn’t have enough votes to kick me out!”
I can only hope that Texas declares independence again should
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Chicsingr
Dec. 30, 2012 at 12:12pmHey by the way Salamander, your comments are great, but you need to know…
Congress is a term referring to BOTH the US House of Representatives and the US Senate as well. It is an over-arching term. The House is one part of Congress and the Senate is the other part of Congress. House members are called Representatives and Senate members are called Senators. Both bodies are called Congress. The members can be referred to as Representatives, Senators, and legislators.
On a state level, both bodies are called the State Legislature–not Congress (that is only a federal term). There is a House and a Senate on a state level, but again, these are referred to as the Legislature of that state. The members can be called state representatives (in the state’s House) and state senators (in the state’s senate) and all of those members can also be referred to as legislators.
And also, members of Congress (federal)–which includes House Representatives and Senators–can also be referred to as legislators.
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kenpodoc
Dec. 30, 2012 at 2:15pmYes, in theory, We The People ought to clean house. But the Tea Party helped clean house in 2010, and without sustained effort, we slipped a notch in 2012. Why? Well, initially I thought it was a lackluster Mitt Romney that couldn’t solidify the middle. But look closer, we lost seats in the House and Senate. I think that reveals that Obama and the progressives have at least temporarily convinced people that governent largess is the way to move past this time economically, and that the current Republicans who are pretty darned bad at public relations on the whole, are to blame. Little of it is true, but the Paul Ryans and Jim DeMints largely appeal to the Right, not the middle. Great ideas, I think they are right, but they have limited appeal….
We have a pretty uneducated population right now that is used to having it cushy. It isn’t cushy now, and history shows that people like scapegoats for their problems. Republicans make it easy, especially when the Democrats move from one short term pleasure or comfort sound-bite to the next (e.g., Entitlements NOW, free contraceptions, the Republicans want to take away your rights and kill off those entitlements, foodstamps, etc.) I know otherwise reasonable moderates and Center-Democrats whose values don’t really line up with the Democratic platform that join in lockstep. Maybe if they got a nose-ring it would be easier to lead them around, but I doubt it!
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jjoy
Dec. 30, 2012 at 8:15pm@ONESHINER
“we didn’t stand for Romney and because of all the division, we lost.”
Yes, we lost… because the rinos nominated a candidate that is a carbon copy of obama…
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dballred
Dec. 31, 2012 at 1:08amSALAMANDER, As much as you speak to my sentiments, I’m going to have to take substantive issue with your points–I only wish I didn’t have to.
1. Representatives serve at the will of their constituencies and none are oblivious to that fact. If they come from a district that believes in free rides for all, they’re going to believe it as well–whether they really do or not. My Representative is Jim McDermott, Progressive (proudly so), Traitor (for slandering Bush from his paid vacation to Baghdad), and criminal conspirator (for his complicity in the Newt Gingrich eavesdropping affair, and overall piece of work would laugh any such attempt at spending constraints unless they were for defense. My home town (Seattle) has a freaking statue of Lenin, so he’s a natural.
2. Trying to get Unions out of politics is a myopic view of the right of organizations to make sure they are given a fair shake–especially when they perceive they have enemies seeking power. People on the left want Christian organizations be denied access to Washington just as people on the right want to get unions out. Labor unions, in theory at least, are supposed to allow members to opt out of political expenses. Some of those memebrs, though, might not want their cars keyed or homes bombed.
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RedinDenver
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:33amPaul is absolutely right on this issue. I actually agree with much of what he says. The only sticking point I had with him (which was admittedly a BIG one) was his acceptance of rogue nations such as Iran becoming nuclear powers.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:53amHonest question: How far do you think the US should go in order to prevent Iran going nuclear?
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just the facts
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:53amAgreed! With that, I suggest we do go over the cliff. We have seen the past 4 years and know what obama is all about. He is the one that pushed to the edge and he is the one that would not do the things needed. Instead, he doubles down on every idealogy that promotes progressivism and socialism. Lets go over.
We have forgotten who and what we are/were. Now, I do not blame entirely the people, we’ve had, or I should say obama has had a wonderful state media that doesn’t report truths or facts about aqlmost everything, and he has had people positioned to do his every wimper. Some people are catching on the we have been had and with this election, it shows just how good the progressives have been these last 50 years in dumbing down our country.
Maybe the reality of we REALY lost will be enough to to bring back some common sense. The cliff is looking mighty fine.
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:58amThank you for reelecting King Soetoro… because of “sticking points” that aren’t even accurate.
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Lordchamp
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:06amThis is exactly what the goal is. They WANT to bring down the system so they can be the saviors. Look how Hitler came to power. It’s EXACTLY the same scenario. When people get stressed they look for and escape route and they choose the path of least resistance and Obama will be there to provide that path.
Of course it will require that he has all these new power to be able to control things to make things better for everyone but it will be ok because he only has your best interest at heart and all this was someone elses fault.
If we the people don’t get control of this BEFORE that point it will be many, many years of struggle, if ever, to regain control. It took from the early ’30s until the mid 40′s for Germany to get rid of Hitler and head down a different path and even then the path was not a good one.
See what we have to lose by inaction?
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AUsername
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:33amwho cares they can’t reach the US, its not our problem.
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XScramblerX
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:39pmFrom this PAULBOT as you ignorant republicans like to call us….. You laughed at us, NOW EAT ****!
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XScramblerX
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:53pmRon Paul would have Congress(the people) to decide what to do about rogue nations. He would never have used (executive powers and such). But the ignorant republicans and even some Libertarians like Glenn have knocked Ron Paul. I put up with being called a Paulbot for wanting a leader that will strictly fallow the constitution. We were laughed at and called names. Now you can live with the results and start eating dung! MORONS!
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Mil-Dot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 5:25pmTruth is truth. Everything he said was true. Bottom line is that welfare, SSI, “disabilty” (geez), WIC and other crap that suck money out of us working fricks is killing this country.
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Mil Mom
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:44pm@just the facts
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:53am
Agreed! With that, I suggest we do go over the cliff. We have seen the past 4 years and know what obama is all about. He is the one that pushed to the edge and he is the one that would not do the things needed. Instead, he doubles down on every idealogy that promotes progressivism and socialism. Lets go over.
We have forgotten who and what we are/were. Now, I do not blame entirely the people, we’ve had, or I should say obama has had a wonderful state media that doesn’t report truths or facts about aqlmost everything, and he has had people positioned to do his every wimper. Some people are catching on the we have been had and with this election, it shows just how good the progressives have been these last 50 years in dumbing down our country.
Maybe the reality of we REALY lost will be enough to to bring back some common sense. The cliff is looking mighty fine.
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Agree, I’m wondering if all the “random acts of journalism” isn’t media people realizing their money and future will be affected! Maybe they need the wakeup paystub to see the forest!
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RationalMan
Dec. 30, 2012 at 12:10amAUsername stated:
who cares they can’t reach the US, its not our problem.
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My reply: Really check into who’s building a “MISSILE BASE” North of Venezuela!
You’re “Walking into the fog of the unknown!!! ;)
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Alky
Dec. 30, 2012 at 11:49am@XScramblerX and other “PaulBots”, going “I told you so, you should have voted Ron Paul” is just ignorant. Of course everyone should have voted RP, but it wasn’t gonna happen THIS TIME, so instead of the best candidate for Pres, you gave America Barack Hussein Obama the worst President in history!
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RodT82721
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:32amThe voters have no one to blame but themself. They elected corrupt, liars to run our country. We now have a media that is a cheerleader for one party. We have socialist unions running the country now. Those lovable hard working public sector unions, by forced dues, have more money to elect their politicians, then any other group.
We are all listening to all the lies, out of Washington, and cheering the thought that people that are more successful then the average drone will be made to suffer.
For ten year, the left harped on how those evil Bush tax cuts only benefitted the evil rich. Now they are crowing about how they are saving them for the middle class, and punishing the rich! The left are all for them after 10 years of being against them, and the typical voter has no idea what’s going on.
Anyone that has any common sense knows, we have a spending problem, yet the left, the media and the mob, are all ready to cheer of a tax increase of 1% of income tax payers.
I wonder what that will do for our spending problem?
It’s not Ron Paul’s fault, or even the messiah’s, the voters allowed this to happen. Get a mirror if you want to complain.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:14amPortion of Ron Paul’s Farewell speech to Congress…..
“The #1 responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow. This is of greater importance than working on changing the government; that is secondary to promoting a virtuous society. If we can achieve this, then the government will change.
It doesn’t mean that political action or holding office has no value. At times it does nudge policy in the right direction. But what is true is that when seeking office is done for personal aggrandizement, money or power, it becomes useless if not harmful. When political action is taken for the right reasons it’s easy to understand why compromise should be avoided. It also becomes clear why progress is best achieved by working with coalitions, which bring people together, without anyone sacrificing his principles.
Political action, to be truly beneficial, must be directed toward changing the hearts and minds of the people, recognizing that it’s the virtue and morality of the people that allow liberty to flourish.”
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Advection
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:56amObama put the POS in POTUS.
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whatsupdoc
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:13pmAtheism and amorality turned the French Revolution into a blood bath. The Founders knew that virtue and morality in government are the main tenets for sustained prosperity. “Liberty Enlightening the World”, the real name of the Statue of Liberty, is a gift from the citizens of France for showing them that “liberty is the path to prosperity”. Remember, as Americans, our rights did not come from the government, our rights are endowed by our Creator. We The People, created the government not visa versa.
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:13pmUh no. I believe voter fraud elected the current politicians.
That’s a problem the majority do not want this current govt but we have it because we do not prevent the voter fraud.
So we cannot even vote out the bad guys. That’s a problem
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:18amJust so we’re clear… THIS… is what the leftist republican party (and it’s media) CHEATED away in 2012…
Ron Paul:
Veto any unbalanced budget!
Refuse to further raise the debt ceiling!
Fight to fully audit (and then end) the Federal Reserve System!
Legalize sound money!
Offshore drilling!
Eliminate the income, capital gains, and death taxes!
Oppose all unfunded mandates and unnecessary regulations!
Cuts $1 trillion YEAR ONE!
Eliminate five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education)!
Abolish the TSA!
Abolish corporate subsidies!
Stop foreign aid!
End foreign wars!
Returning most other spending to 2006 levels!
WE HAD IT!!!!! We HAD IT ON A SILVER PLATTER!!!!!!!
… but we rejected it.
And now… we COMPLAIN!!!!!!!!
WE MUST NEVER FORGET what the leftist republican party did to our nation in 2012, by REELECTING King Soetoro!
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:56amRoflmao! Take your meds brother winston.
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:01pmHey troll still can only attack huh? So just what did brother winston say that make you think he needs meds? I would love to hear it.. I see nothing in his post that is not TRUE!
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:04pmcivil war cometh…Can’t wait for the fight, can you? :-) I bet you gonna get you some progressives!
Get-er-done man! Lock and load the .50.
Really?
Lol…
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:10pmin a crazy world only the sane are insane
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NOT A CRAZY
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:11pmGood grief…I intentionally came to this article to see what the Paulbots were saying and you are still stuck on this. Ron Paul was never even a probability in the race. He had ideas that were not compatible with reality and the majority of voters could not get behind him. I saw another comment that you made on here Bro: “Thank you for reelecting King Soetoro….” Who did you vote for? I know you and your Paulbot buddies didn’t vote for a viable candidate and we told you that you were reelecting the Shrunken Head. It was all about principal though wasn’t it. I know that Romney was a terrible chose just like George W. Bush was a terrible choice and McCain and Dole and the rest of the establishments boys. However, the fact remains that any of those choices was still better than this abomination that is in there now. You clowns never could figure that out and it is thanks to you that we have Dear Leader.
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:32pmNot a crazy you need to change your name to just (crazy)….If you add up all the people who voted for a 3rd party this election Romney still would have lost. Find out how many christian republicans didn’t vote because he was a morman…. Facts are crazy….
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:35pmhow can you call Romney a terrible choice and in the same post call us clowns for standing by principle.
That makes no sense and is a bit schizophrenic
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:44pmBWS : are you in love with Paul or what ? EVERY post of yours is the same, no matter what the Topic. Give it a rest already. Paul is out. The Election is over. Stop whining. I’ve always liked Ron Paul, but for the love of God, shut it off.
And by the way, State Nullification “ain’t” gonna happen. Not now. Not ever.
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:52pmcivilwarcometh
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 12:32pm
If you add up all the people who voted for a 3rd party this election Romney still would have lost.
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Absolutely! Think of the ramifications of this…Everyone needs to understand that A) third parties do not stand a chance and B) it was not Paul/Johnson supporters OR Romney voters that won Obama a second term. It was ignorance from the vast majority of the population most likely caused by a liberal media and social media such as Facebook and Twitter.
So we all need to just let it go (hence my reaction to zealots like Bro Winston) and figure out what there is left for us to do.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:09pm@trolltrainer
While you are figuring this thing out….Remember that 10 million less people voted in 2012 than in 2008 – despite a population increase of about 5 million….
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:23pmSoybomb, I do realize this. So WHY did less Republicans vote? Again, I blame the media for the most part, and certainly the fact that Romney was a mediocre candidate played a major part, but there is also responsibility to be taken by those who dragged a fine (albeit progressive) man through the mud.
Once again, rising above all the finger pointing, we are now stuck with Obama for another 4 years. I personally do not believe there will be much left to save after that, but hopefully we can all learn valuable lessons. Maybe we have to hit rock bottom before we see the light…
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truthnstuff
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:09pmThe bottom line is that if Ron Paul would have been a real patriot and put his support behind Romney, many who did not vote, as well as the third party voter, would have most likely gone with Romney. Romney was not the choice of many who voted for him, but, we cared more for the country that the small stench of a vote. We would have at least had some time to fox things. So yes, Paul and the Paulbots can take most of the blame. It’s too late now, stop the insanity Get off the Paulbot train and something worthwhile.
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:39pmAll of you can continue to stay blind for as long as you want, you have that right to be ignorant to the truth. You will not wake up until everything is gone and you start losing all your toys. If everyone would stop just thinking about themselves for a change, we maybe could win the battle for liberty, but I doubt it will happen from reading some of the posts on here.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:41pmso i guess republicans cheating in the primary and then in the convention counts for nothing? You wanted us to just ignore a corrupt political machine and focus on the moderate?
Give me a break. Get mad….Turn the tables over – your ‘republican’ house is now a den of robbers
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:59pmtruthnstuff DISSECTED…
FALSE:
“The bottom line is that if Ron Paul would have been a real patriot and put his support behind Romney, many who did not vote, as well as the third party voter, would have most likely gone with Romney.”
TRUTH:
“The bottom line is that if Romney (and FAKE-conservative FOX/Clearchannel/Blaze/Hotair/Townhall/Rush/Hannity/Beck/Levin) would have been real patriots and put their support behind Ron Paul, many who did not vote, as well as the third party voter, would have DAMN SURE gone with Ron Paul.”
FALSE:
“Romney was not the choice of many who voted for him”
TRUTH:
Many FAKE-conservatives WHO WANTED LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE Romney, will lie and claim “he wasn’t my first choice” or similar gibberish. When in REALITY, they are LEFTIST, NOT CONSERVATIVE and WILL DO ANYTHING TO PRESERVE LEFTIST GOVERNMENT… regardless of whether it’s Romney or Obama. FAKE-conservatives won either way – just like 2008.
LIE:
“but, we cared more for the country that the small stench of a vote.”
TRUTH:
“We” desired and succeeded in PRESERVING LEFTIST GOVERNMENT. “We” CHEAT-nominated Romney to REELECT Obama.
LIE:
“We would have at least had some time to fox things.”
TRUTH:
Romney was, and is IDENTICAL to Obama.
LIE:
“So yes, Paul and the Paulbots can take most of the blame.”
TRUTH:
The “Paulbots” have NONE OF THE BLAME. The “better evil” voters SHOULDER ALL, ALL, ALL OF THE BLAME! Same as 08, when they elected Obama.
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:06pmYou can get as mad as you like, and you can place the blame wherever you wish…The train won’t stop rolling. Republicans did not cheat, Paul just had no support. Then…The Paul people tried to cheat at the convention and it amounted to a joke. Move on already. Just like…You mention the lack of voters, yet I watched on the news for weeks that early voting was PACKED! Polling places even stayed open past the days they were supposed to cut early voting off. Election night also packed them in. It makes me suspicious! Yet…Until you can prove fraud, which they never will, it is what it is. MOVE ON!
There are not enough people that think like you do to change the game. In fact, there are probably no longer enough moderate, middle of the road people to bring the game back. Romney was right, 47 odd percent were Obama voters right out of the gate and nothing would have changed that. You lost, I lost, and America lost. I am not going to waste my time crying over it. I will just do as I have always done: Next election I will again vote for the lesser of two evils and let the chips fall where they may. That is how the game is played. I have just as much right to vote for who I wish as you do.
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:27pmtrolltrainer DEEPER DISSECTION…
LIE:
“Republicans did not cheat”
TRUTH:
The leftist republican party cheated in every conceivable way, including sustained media blackouts. To say otherwise is laughable.
LIE:
“Paul just had no support.”
TRUTH:
Paul had MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more support than LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE Romney.
LIE:
“Then…The Paul people tried to cheat at the convention”
TRUTH:
The leftist republican party cheated at the convention, stripped delegates and “changed” ruled by reading TELEPROMPTERED “votes.”
SUGGESTION:
“MOVE ON!”
SUGGESTION REJECTED:
We must NEVER, EVER FORGET what the leftist republican party did to reelect Obama in 2012. For many, that was the LAST STRAW! The republican party IS FINISHED.
PROPAGANDA:
“there are probably no longer enough moderate, middle of the road people to bring the game back.”
PROPAGANDA OBJECTIVE:
Conservatives DOMINATE the population. But FAKE-conservatives will CONTINUE TRICKING the nation that we are “outnumbered,” so we must EMBRACE MORE LEFTIST groups.
LIE:
“You lost, I lost, and America lost.”
TRUTH:
FAKE-CONSERVATIVES WON! Just like they WON in 08! Their SOLE OBJECTIVE is to PRESERVE leftist government.
CORRECT:
“Next election I will again vote for the lesser of two evils”
TRUTH:
Yes, I’m quite sure the “better evil” SCAM TO SPLIT VOTES will be played AGAIN in 16.
LIE:
“That is how the game is played.”
TRUTH:
That is how the FAKE-conservative SCAM is p
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:34pmhow did ron paul supporters try to cheat at the convention?
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 4:09pmSoybomb, you know as well as I do that Paul tried to play the delegate game. Is it technically “cheating?” No. But it was against the will of the districts that these delegates represented. The fact is that with a couple exceptions Ron Paul could not get over 12% in any state. The majority of voters in the REPUBLICAN primary voted for Romney. THAT is how the game is played. What non-republican voters might have done is a moot point, I can as easily speculate they would have voted for Romney or maybe Cain.
If you are so hot about a third party then why did Paul not just run as a Libertarian as Johnson did? There is nothing stopping a third party run from any candidate.
I am not adverse to a conversation on changing voting laws. The reason we have closed primaries in most states is so the opposing party cannot influence the choice of candidate. Maybe we should do away with parties altogether? Maybe everyone should have the opportunity to run on their own merit, so what if we had 50 candidates? One or two would be the clear choice. I am all for popular vote also.
@ Bro Winston…I cannot try and reason with an unreasonable person. I am sorry. You have made me the enemy, as most Paul fanatics tend to do with those who won’t toe their line. Truth is, I respect Paul and agree with much he says. Much I do not agree with. But most of what you state as “fact” is ridiculous. You see the world through a very small, narrow crack. Good luck.
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 4:40pmtrolltrainer DEEPER DISSECTION…
LIE:
“[the delegate strategy] was against the will of the districts.”
TRUTH:
It is a MUCH MORE HONEST representation of any given community. Straw polls can AND WERE manipulated.
HALF TRUTH:
“The fact is that with a couple exceptions Ron Paul could not get over 12% in any state.”
WHOLE TRUTH:
… BECAUSE OF REPUBLICAN CHEATING, SMEARING AND MEDIA BLACKOUTS.
LIE:
“THAT is how the game is played.
TRUTH:
The “game” is delegates. But the leftist republican party didn’t like the results of the game… so they cheated… IN BROAD DAYLIGHT… FOR MONTHS!
DISHONEST QUESTION:
“why did Paul not just run as a Libertarian?”
HONEST ANSWER:
Because the leftist democrat/republican (same thing) party CORRUPTLY MONOPOLIZES elections to EXCLUDE third party voices.
LIE:
“I cannot try and reason with an unreasonable person.”
TRUTH:
There is NO reason in your talking points. Only deception.
PROPAGANDA:
“You have made me the enemy, as most Paul fanatics tend to do.”
PROPAGANDA OBJECTIVE:
FAKE-conservatives have ALWAYS BEEN the enemy of Constitutional Liberty. So, they will demonize truth… and position it as the “abrasive” REASON WHY, they reject liberty.
LIE:
“Truth is, I respect Paul and agree with much he says.”
TRUTH:
FAKE-conservatives FALSELY CLAIM that they “agree” with Paul, BUT NEVER vote for him… while SIMULTANEOUSLY claiming they agree with VERY LITTLE of Romney… but WILL vote for him.
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pudssweetie
Dec. 29, 2012 at 4:59pmBrother and Soy, I have to laugh at the both of you. It is almost January and elections happened almost 2 months ago, but here you both are still blathering on about Ron Paul. Here is a question for the both of you, let’s just say that Ron Paul will be our next President, how much do you honestly believe he would get accomplished with the current people in the House and Senate? Remember, all laws are passed in either the House or the Senate and the President does not actually create the bill or law, he only suggests what it should have in the Bill or Law. Do you honestly believe that Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi would agree with auditing the Fed? Do you really think that Reid and Pelosi would agree to getting rid of the Reserve? Remember the only reason why Obama gets away with what he is doing is because 75% of Congress is on Obama’s side, the same Congress that Ron Paul would have had to deal with if he became President. The only thing that Paul or even Romney would have done is get rid of Obamacare through Executive Order, the rest would have had to go through Reid, Pelosi and Congress.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 5:13pm@pudssweetie
We are here defending the things the mindless zombies around here accuse him/us of. The message of Ron Paul continues and they will continue to trash the Constitutional candidates no matter what their name is.
With regard to a hypothetical Ron Paul presidency, we never said he was going to do everything. He said that he would rescind all the unconstitutional executive orders and veto all unconstitutional bills. That is light years ahead of what Romney was promising to do. The less Washington gets done, the better
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 5:37pmIt is too bad neither one will have the chance to show us what they might have done.
Contrary to what the delusional Bro Winston claims above, I voted for Paul in the primary and even though I had reservations I think he was the best of the lot. Romney won the primary though so he got my vote. I would have voted for Cain, Perry, Bachman, Gingrich or anyone else (shoot, I would have even voted Trump) over Obama. There was no other option. You can claim you were standing on principle or that anyone but Paul would be the same as Obama, or that you wanted to teach the country or Republican party an intangible “lesson” which no one got anyway, or you might have just been angry at some perceived slight of power against your god and savior Paul…Whatever…The cold, hard reality was it was either going to be Obama or Romney.
Obama won. We will get what we deserve, the people have spoke…
I think I may actually enjoy this term, I no longer care, I do have a way out of this country if necessary, and I want to see how far he can push things. We are beyond saving anyway, we are going down. Might as well go out with a bang.
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Mil-Dot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 5:56pmTroll,
Civil will take his allotment, make no mistake prog.
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 6:02pmWell, pudssweetie… now that you’ve reelected King Soetoro by splitting the conservative vote with another “better evil”… I suppose we’ll never know.
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 6:27pmYeah Pudssweetie, shame on you for taking 95% of the conservative vote with you to Romney’s camp… ;-)
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jadams1214
Dec. 29, 2012 at 6:36pmIt’s funny how the Romney supporters never mention the republican establishment lying about Romney winning the Iowa caucus for two weeks before finally telling the truth the day before the NH caucus. I suspect this was to make sure Romney had the momentum even if it meant lying for two weeks to undermine Santorum.
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:40pmTrollTrainer has, as all leftists do, shown his hand. He says he is for the popular vote. He probably wants to end the electoral college and have us in a true democracy, against the will of our founders. We might as well be socialists or fascists to go by the “Mob Rule” of the popular vote. Anyone who thinks this, is not a true Constitutional Patriot.
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:48pmPudsSweetie, I said this in another post, but will reiterate again. Ron Paul would have been able to do one unconstitutional act, signing one (and only one) executive order, rescinding all previous executive orders. As commander and chief, he would have had the power to recall ALL troops home, ending all the wars we are in. Those two alone would have put a stop to many regulations, much of the wated military spending that is not needed, and saved billions upon billions of dollars being wasted right now. So do not tell me that he would not have been able to make a difference. People like you, though, truly believe the establishment lies that somehow we would be in danger for ending the wars and bringing all the troops home. The blind leading the blind.
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3monkeysmomma
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:30pmSave your electronic breath, Brother.
These narrow-minded, impotent so-called “conservatives” don’t WANT to hear the truth and there aren’t enough of us Constitutionalists/Libertarian/Paleo-conservatives to make a difference—(he11, we don’t even know what to call ourselves!)
Long story short: America is doomed.
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:44pmWhen this Country falls apart. I am not going to blame the Democrats. I am going to blame the Republicans for choosing the worst candidate ever to go against Obama. Even Romney Son days ago just said his father didn’t even want to run for President. He never cared. I will also blame Reince Priebus for passing rules at the convention that was never in favor of the crowd. I will also blame John Boehner for passing rules during the convention that was no where near in favor of the crowd and all the tactics the Republican Party played during the whole Primary. By threatening, Intimidation, Voter Fraud and ignoring the people who fairly won the delegation. And I will blame all you so called Conservatives on here that ignored Ron Pauls message and followed like pathetic sheep you are and listened to every thing the media told you. And yes… Glenn Beck is media too.
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hannah
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:18amRon Paul is right, although I don’t agree with most he says. It’s the entitlements that need to get cut and allot of cutting there. If people are too lazy to work, then so be it. They have to be stopped from sucking off the government teet. The top 1 or 2% that actually hire people won’t now because the taxes will be too high for them. If you’re on welfare don’t think you’re going be unscathed because you won’t be. The money will be running out sooner than later because people who have money will move it out of the country and Obastardo won’t bre getting all those tax dollars because he’s screwed the country up so bad, no one with half a brain will stay in the country just to be raped of all their savings and earnings. so good luck to all you lazy welfare, food stamp Obama fans, soon you’ll be dumpster diving to feed that nasty little habits you have, which are drugs, alcohol and laziness. Hey though, you dumbasses voted him in so you much love pain cause it’s coming, BIG pain, ;)
be getting all those wonderful tax dollars because he’s
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:46pmHe would have saved the Constitution. The Country could have been fixed, but people chose to not listen.
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tajloc
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:16ambe honest How can you cut the folks off w/o their food supply..(even though it has lots of soda pop). It takes a Ron Paul to really do this job.
GOP no mas!
Viva TEA and start now.
Pray for Ron, Mia, Allen, Marco, Jim etc
AND read Rom 8:28
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:24amFAKE-TEA GOP LEFTISTS West and Rubio HAVE NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING in common with Constitutionalist Paul. And should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence.
West:
FAKE-TEA GOP
Pigford fraud
Tribalist, separatist Congressional BLACK Caucus
Debt ceiling hikes
NDAA
H.R. 347 (protest chill)
“Patriot” Act
Undeclared nation-building
CISPA (internet surveillance/control)
100 BILLION+ “transportation” STIMULUS bill
Rubio:
FAKE-TEA GOP
Isolationist nation-building
The “Patriot” Act
Cosponsored PIPA (until it became politically unpopular)
NDAA
NDAA 2013
Dream Amnesty
Pathway Amnesty
Endorsed LEFTIST Scott Brown
Sanctions on Iran (act of war)
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Bumpintheroad
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:01amthe government has a large supply of cheese and peanut butter, i would be happy to eat that if i didn’t have anything else.
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Truthbeliever2
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:01pmI would eat shoe leather if I didn’t have anything else. The idea is to never get to that point. It seems that whatever happens you will be happy with your government cheese. Way to aim high.
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GrayPanther
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:15amThere is too much greed and control in politics. The integrity of office to work for the best outcome for “We the People” is lost in today’s deliberations. Our only hope is a firm house of Representatives holding the purse strings tight. All the threatening and posturing by the leftist Democ-rats and a Marxist president cannot change that. Bohner needs to hold pat and call their bluff. Ignore the state run press.
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Hiswill
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:14amObama is turning the republicans against each other in the House. Smart move…………..divided we fall.
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:27amNo. The leftist republican party IS JOINING OBAMA. They’ve ALWAYS been with him… but now that they’ve successfully CHEATED OUT Ron Paul (the ONE threat to the democrat/republican machine)… they can OPENLY ADMIT IT.
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Salamander
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:29amIt’s like tying a bunch of cats together by their tails and tossing them over a power line!
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:08amHeathens, and possible mentally ill also. Don’t forget those key parts too.
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jakartaman
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:08amThe music keeps playing – However we are very quickly approching the time when the music STOPS>
Next year we are going to see hyper-inflation (dollar de-flation) which is a very painful way to address debt.
Be prepared for civil disobedience and food shortages – I am not even discussing the Israel/Iran war that will happen this coming spring – OIL Prices ^^^^^
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Mandors
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:03amWhy doesn’t someone tell the truth: Default is the option. They have no intention whatsoever of paying back the debt. Washington will throw us all under the bus.
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Bumpintheroad
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:02amthey default and china will declare war on us.
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GUNNSUP
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:16pmYUP, then the Chicoms will come a knocking. They’ve already fired a shot across our bow last year. Next will be a warning small nuke of one of our cities. Pay up or else & Obama hasn’t the stones to fire back! It may even come by proxy from North Korea.
The collapse of the dollar is definately coming and if you don’t think Obama is loving that then guess again.
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kynikos
Dec. 30, 2012 at 11:22pmChina doesn’t even own that much of our debt. It’s Japan and its the current economic model our fed is following. Japan is going to implode and be the widow maker when their bonds default. The federal reserve and our pension funds are buying this crap government debt. Ron Paul had the only chance in beating down the democrats. However, between the neo-cons, the religious right, and our own welfare queens and kings they labeled him insane. What republicans need to realize is they need to stay out of people’s lives and promote freedom as long as that freedom doesn’t infringe on another’s rights. However, he’s insane because he doesn’t advocate another form of big government. The Republican Party is over. Real freedom lovers see the falseness in both parties and even so called tea party candidates like Rubio and west. Lets just face it and realize this country is afraid of freedom. They are afraid of Paul’s stand on drugs and want government to control these people. The war on drugs is a farce. The police state is nothing more then a government revenue stream. When cops do show up they do nothing and are afraid to fight real crime. We’re so screwed, and all we are going to do is sit and talk and complain. We are too comfortable in our servitude. Marine your dead on and keep up the good work. This country was gone hundreds of years ago.
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SpankDaMonkey
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:52am.
I sure wish Ron had run again, we got a Turd named Randy Weber in his place. People in Texas are dumbasses for electing this fool……..
Bring on the cliff……..
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Mandors
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:02amHalf the people in this country are just plain dumbasses.
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Salamander
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:42amApparently, more than half!
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GuruMeditation
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:50pm@Mandors & Salamander: Idiocy is the main problem before us.
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dwf1
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:48amLike him or not he’s correct!
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RepubliCorp
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:06amHe was never against pork for his distract…….
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zorro
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:11amHe is, man. He really is. But you know what? In my humble opinion, his message has been garbled for many years. The best thing he can do is just_go_away for good. And the best thing he could have done is supported Romney even though he was not an ideal candidate. It’s imbecilic for anyone to think both candidates were “the same.” It’s imbecilic to think Romney wouldn’t have worked better, not “best” or “perfect”, but “better” than Obama on these things. The problems with Ron Paul and his supporters is lack of patience. While they’ve been honorably trying to change everything all at once, liberals have been changing things bit by bit. Conservatives made GREAT strides towards the same kind of movement in 2010 but screwed ourselves in 2012 by spreading that nonsense about both candidates being the same and Gary-f’n-Johnson being the solution.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:12am@Republiccorp
Aside from your ignorance on the budgetary process….Are you going to take social security when you get old?
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paultard
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:20amThat’s how you get re-elected, you help your district.. It was against his principles but you have to take a bitter pill sometimes to get your message across.. He did that.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:20am@zorro
And it was “imbecilic” to think Romney was good enough to turn things around in this country. Romney was a band aid on some issues and a liberal on others.
Many of the Ron Paul / Gary Johnson supporters are not pure blood republicans, so why do you think you are entitled to our vote?
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dwf1
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:23amRPC,
I don’t agree with him 100%. I don’t believe he could have stopped all of the out of control Spending in Washington. I do believe America would be better off if he was POTUS. We are in deep do-do with you know who.
RP’s stance on earmarks;
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/2009/03/11/rep-ron-paul-defends-his-earmarks-spending-bill
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:36amsoybomb315_II
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:20am
@zorro
And it was “imbecilic” to think Romney was good enough to turn things around in this country. Romney was a band aid on some issues and a liberal on others.
Many of the Ron Paul / Gary Johnson supporters are not pure blood republicans, so why do you think you are entitled to our vote?
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Maybe because the reality of ANY election is choosing the lesser of two evils? Maybe because, had more of you voted Republican, we would stand a chance of at least starting to pull ourselves away from the edge of the cliff next year. Maybe because this last election was the last exit off this Interstate to hell. Granted the exit led to BFE and would have been a scary ride in itself, but we just blew by the last chance to get off. There will never be a fix to this mess now. Libertarians are just another flash in the pan and the two real parties are too far gone.
I do not blame you. You are entitled to vote for whomever you feel is the best choice. The fact is Romney should have swept Obama away even without your vote. It should not have even been close. The people of this country truly are stupid. Even the ones that should know better…
Buckle up buttercup, it should prove to be an interesting ride.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:46am@trolltrainer
Well just because you consider it a two party choice doesnt mean the rest of us have to. If you want our vote, you should focus on fixing the election laws that allow a candidate to win with <50% of the vote. That is the real problem
The fact is that if every Gary Johnson vote went to Mitt Romney, Romney wouldnt have won a single extra state! Aside from that fact, what if we did put Romney over the top? We would have 4 years of a moderate perpetuating big government myths and a republican party making laws to hold onto power instead of cutting government spending. At the end of 4 years, we would either get Romney for another 4 or a democrat for another 4 (and up to 8). NO! I would rather make a statement by showing the republican party the direction they should go. If more people had done so, the republican party would be purging moderates instead of conservatives/constitutionalists
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:55amsoybomb315_II
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:46am
@trolltrainer
Well just because you consider it a two party choice doesnt mean the rest of us have to. If you want our vote, you should focus on fixing the election laws that allow a candidate to win with <50% of the vote. That is the real problem…
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Woah! Slow down there, big hoss! Who says "I" want your vote? Who am "I"? What is all this "you" garbage? This is your country just as much as mine. I am just another Indian, go talk to the chief! I am registered Republican but consider myself to be a fundamental Christian. I voted for Paul in the Florida primary. But once the writing was on the wall it was going to be either Obama or Romney. I voted for Romney. Too bad more did not. Now Obama is the chief and that is that.
You need to face reality, it IS a two party system no matter what you wish to believe. You tried to prove a point but the ironic part is people are either too stupid to get it or they have another agenda anyway.
You want to win? Educate the people. That is your ONLY chance. RP is right, these clowns are pitting the people against each other while they laugh all the way to the bank. It is a stacked deck.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:03amyes Trolltrainer – education is the goal and even Glenn Beck listeners need to be educated.
did YOU get my point? fix the election laws if you want to fix this country
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:17amMost on hear are progressive republicans and don’t even know it. We had a chance to elect someone who believed in the america the founding fathers created. The last one to be elected was Cooledge and Harding.. If they ran today these same people would be calling them kook’s and crazy…I don’t believe most on hear have even read the Constitution let alone would even understand it if they did. We won’t change as a country till YOU change back to the CONSTITUTION!!!!!!
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:17amSoybomb, we are “arguing” here but I think we are on the same side. Read my posts a little closer.
Yes, the election laws need fixed, I agree. Even though it has been swept under the carpet you cannot convince me that there was not MAJOR voter fraud on the Democrat side. Why else are they so adamant about the ID thing? I bet it accounted for 2- even 5%!
Again…It is a stacked deck.
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Walkabout
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:27am“it won’t be worth anything because it’ll probably only deal with tax rates and ignore the problem of runaway government spending”
That statement is correct.
Republicorp is also correct. Ron Paul likes the smell of bacon.
Obama has said that he doesn’t want to do anything about spending.
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:28amcivilwarcometh
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 11:17am
Most on hear are progressive republicans and don’t even know it…
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Lol…Way to throw around labels! What, exactly, is a “progressive” Republican compared to a “conservative” Republican or even a “Libertarian”? Further, does this label define EVERY issue or can a person actually be moderate on some issues and far right on others?
Much of the problem Paul faced in the campaign was the zealous supporters. It is their way or the highway and if you dared to disagree about anything you were a neo-con progressive enemy.
Really?
I think most people in here are middle class flyover Americans. We all differ on different issues but I think by and large we are all freedom loving honest capitalists that believe in the Constitution.
Maybe solving this problem…if there is even a solution…is to start coming together instead of making enemies out of each other. Just a thought…
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:38amHey Troll are you going to collect S.S.and get your medicaid? All you did was attack me not what i posted. Yep you sound like a progressive….
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:49amcivilwarcometh
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 11:38am
Hey Troll are you going to collect S.S.and get your medicaid?
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You betcha! I have paid into them my whole life, it is mine to collect!
Am I open to changing this system?
Yep.
BTW, I do not feel I “attacked” you at all. But your response not only proves my point, it also shows how unbalanced you are. You do not want a representative form of government, you want a monarchy…Just as long as YOUR king is in power.
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:15pmHey troll thank you for makeing my point…I never said anything about a king unless you think the Constitution is a king? You are argueing against people who want to go back to the Constitution. The 2 party system is what got us where we are today. I have no doubt you love this country and want to fix it as much as i do. So lets start being more constructive and talk to each other with a little more reason. You need us just as much as we need you and if we don’t get rid of progressivism we will never be america again. Divided we fall….
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:20pmWhen you go on S.S. just remember that in less than 3 years you will have allready collecting what you paid in. So after 3 years you going to stop collecting other peoples money?
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:47pmcivilwarcometh
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 12:15pm
…You are argueing against people who want to go back to the Constitution…So lets start being more constructive and talk to each other with a little more reason. You need us just as much as we need you and if we don’t get rid of progressivism we will never be america again. Divided we fall….
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Who is arguing? You are the folks that will not entertain any other ideas except what YOU believe is constitutional. I am all for reason. Let’s start with the “social safety net.” There is a need for SS and Medicaid. Are these the only solutions to the problem? No. But the fact is we do not let people starve or bleed to death on the side of the road in this country. This is the system we currently have and I will take as much advantage of it as possible, no different than trying to claim whatever deductions I can on my income tax. Are YOU going to claim SS? What if you have an accident and are out of work, how will YOU support your family?
The problem is the corruption IN the system, not the system. You have an “all or nothing” mentality, but this government has ALWAYS been about compromise. You will never get it to the point you think it needs to be. But it has worked reasonably well up to now. Real life is constant tweaking to keep it going.
Indeed, divided we fall. Remember that.
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dissentnow
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:33pm@Republicorp
You really don’t know the difference between an earmark and pork, do you?
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KidCharlemagne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:02pmRepubliCorp
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:06am
He was never against pork for his distract…….
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“In a long-forgotten tape from the 2002 Massachusetts governor’s race obtained by ABC News, Mitt Romney is seen touting his Washington connections and his ability to get millions of taxpayer dollars from the federal government.
“I am big believer in getting money where the money is,” Romney says on the video, “The money is in Washington.”
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/exclusive-02-romney-touted-d-c-connections-federal-110029680–abc-news.html
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:45pmTroll No i will not being drawing a S.S. check i worked for cash 90% of my life. I pay taxes through my transactions and what i buy. Been self employed most of my life working buy word of mouth. Started working when i was 13. 4 years ago i made 70k a year now i’m down to $640.00 a month and i take NO handouts. My understanding of the Constitution is correct it’s so easy to understand a 5th grader can understand it. Even my 17 and 19 year old daughters who still live with me understand and correct me every once in awhile lol. I don’t take advantage of the country i love i earn my way….
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 4:32pmI commend you then civilwar. I too own my business and I draw a salary from my company. I have to pay taxes on what I make and I pay into SS. You will not make me feel bad or guilty for adhering to the system that is forced on me. I have no choice in the matter. As I said, I am open to the possibility of changing the system, but I am not open to the “pure” libertarian ideal of every man for himself. This would not work in today’s world. We are obligated to contribute to our society. I believe the system is badly abused and corrupt, and it gets worse year by year. I hate buying “Great Value” crap when the people in line in front of my are buying prime rib, nabisco, and coca-cola and paying with their food card. I hate seeing people collect unemployment for years because the just above minimum wage job they COULD be working does not match what the government is paying. My wife is an MDS regional supervisor for a major chain of nursing homes. She could talk to you for days on health care fraud…
I guess what I am saying is that like most I see the different sides to these arguments. All I know is Romney would have been better than Obama. I also know Paul could have done very little in reality to change anything. I just keep on watching the sun rise and doing my own thing until one day soon when I am gone. If you want to change the world then mo’ power to ya…
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civilwarcometh
Dec. 29, 2012 at 4:55pmWe are not obligated to contribute to society you socialist.. What i make is mine to do with what i please….Your idea of obligated is the same as obamas FAIR SHARE BS!!!! Like i said most on hear are progressives and don’t even no it…..So out of my $640.00 a month how much should i have to contribute to society???
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trolltrainer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 5:16pmSocialist? I suppose in your “all or nothing” world I would be…
Do you not drive on roads and bridges? Do your kids not go to a public school? Do you not have the services of fire department, police department, city sanitation? You don’t feel you need to contribute to these things?
I will not argue with you about social issues, you are surly too dense to see the point. But for better or worse the government has decided that it will support those who cannot support themselves. I do not mind contributing to this as long as it is fair. You can call it socialism, and to an extent you are right…The truth is we will always help those in need. So you lost the game right there. This is why Paul lost and why people like you will remain an insignificant 5-10% of our society…the opposite side of the coin to radical (real) socialist liberals who want cradle to grave benefits.
How much of your pathetic $650 a month do I think you should contribute? Even if you played by the rules (which you admit you do not) and paid income tax you would actually make money off the government on that salary. At 70K a year? I think the current “Bush” tax rates are fair though I agree many loopholes could be closed (which would affect me). I do not mind paying taxes, I am just concerned with what government is doing with them. I also do not mind the “progressive” scale even though it costs me much more than you. A fair or flat tax might be a better idea though.
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zorro
Dec. 31, 2012 at 8:18amDo the math and read your history guys. This is a two party system whether you like it or not. That’s not to say a third party cannot emerge, they have! But it takes time. And you’re NOT going to get there by staying home or voting for a guy who had no chance of winning. You do it like you STARTED doing it in 2010…start with the Senate. Work your way in. You will not start at President. You’re a damn fool if you think you can.
As trolltrainer said, buckle up buttercup.
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Naps
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:47amWhat’s missing? Ron Paul in the oval office! That is what’s mssing! If America’s IQ would higher,Dr. Paul would be President,and would have straightened this whole mess out. But NOOOO! The GOP wanted Slick Mitt,and the Left wanted their same old same old. The dollars gonna crash,The 2nd amendment will be thrown out,and chaos is going to gradually increase. I hope Glenn,The Blaze,and Fox News are happy? Because they are a big part of the reason why Romney won the nomination. AKA= the worst possible candidate to defeat NoBama. Dr. Paul IS & WILL ALWAYS BE MY PRESIDENT!!!
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Sully9378
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:58amI agree. I was not a huge fan of Dr. Paul, but he was by far the best candidate and had the BALLS to call a spade a spade
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OldSurfRat
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:01amNap
Understand how you feel but Paul would not have done much due to the fact that both parties are on the same page and would have made it very hard for him to change anything.
We the people need to make the change by force if needed.
As I said in a post below. They have worked it all out (8 for you 8 for me) this is how they keep the boys club in control and dont fight between the so called parties accept in front of the cameras.
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zorro
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:14amYou’re a damn fool if you think OUR Libertarian agenda would have stalled under a Romney presidency. I realize he was not the best candidate but between Romney and Obama, one was better than the other. Many of you acted like children and when you didn’t get your way, took your ball home. Well, these are the results. Take your medicine…
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RepubliCorp
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:15amHe couldn’t even win his home state
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:22amYes Republicorp that is the point of Naps’ post….This party is dead
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OldSurfRat
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:43amSoy
Agree the party is DOA. The sooner the rest of the Rep voters understand this the better.
The parties are all one party that are working together against we the people.
“8 for you 8 for us”
BTW I was a registered REP until this last election and I voted for Romney.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:51amThe fact is that the majority of people who vote republican are moderates and progressive conservatives. We need to change the election laws so that we can get at least a 3rd party system for the small government/constitutionalists
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Walkabout
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:18pmThe Whigs died, but their constituent members did not.
They did however spend time in the Wilderness. Frightful time to be in the wilderness now.
They did however regroup & the Republicans were born.
It is not only some of the or many of the moribund politicians that we need to get rid of. We need to lose the “consultants” who tell candidates that we need to get the independent voters. Well Romney got them & lost enough of the base to lose the election.
As Rush says what is so great about independents if they don’t make up their mind until the election. People who are so uniformed not to support policies of this or that party. Policies are based on principles. One might think that independents have no principles. At least Paul; supports espouse principle & polices. Some I do not think will work, but it is better than some quivering pile of mush that can;t make a decision.
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KidCharlemagne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:26pmRepubliCorp
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:15am
He couldn’t even win his home state
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Neither could Romney though:
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:48pmOldSurfRat, Paul would have issued one unconstitutional executive order, to rescind ALL previous executive orders, then he would have brought ALL the troops home, and that would have been a heII of a start to cut spending. Do not tell me he could not have done anything. He also understood that most of our military spending has nothing to do with defense spending at all, but all of the brainwashed think that cutting military funds, puts us at some sort of risk. People need to wise up to Washington’s games.
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zorro
Dec. 31, 2012 at 8:28amsoybomb315_II
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 10:51am
The fact is that the majority of people who vote republican are moderates and progressive conservatives. We need to change the election laws so that we can get at least a 3rd party system for the small government/constitutionalists
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I thought you were all about the Constitution, bub? What laws do you want to change. The Constitution, for better or worse, set up a two-party system indirectly. So you want to go back to the Constitution as long as we change it up a bit to fit your needs? Anything else?
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 31, 2012 at 4:13pm@zorro
That is a fresh one. Tell me where and how the Constittuion sets up a two-party system
If i am not mistaken, the way elections are conducted/counted and the way the electoral college is chosen is not contained in the Constitution. They are mostly decided by the states, which have passed that responsibility to panels and primary political parties
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OldSurfRat
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:46amGovernors, business owners and workers in each state need to come together and decide to no longer pay federal taxes. Pay them to the state but not the federal government.
This would choke off the money going to these useless politicians in DC.
If they decide to take action against the states than bring it on!
The time is coming to make a stand and fight no matter what the cost.
I can see no other way around this but to revisit our countries past and act in the same way that the revolutionary fathers acted.
Nothing else will make things change except a total revolt against the federal government.
Hope I’m wrong but seriously doubt that I am.
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BODYBAG
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:00am@OLDSURFRAT
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 9:46am
Hope I’m wrong but seriously doubt that I am.
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You’re far from wrong —- you’re hitting the bullseye.
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Sully9378
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:30amIf they come after our guns you will see that happen.
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AZfreeman
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:35amMost Americans have been neutered. I see no will to fight for liberty except a few remote corners like this forum. I morn for our country.
When Ron Paul is right, he’s very right…when he’s wrong (foreign policy), he’s very wrong. …rf
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“There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation: One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” – John Adams
“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin”. – Samuel Adams
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thibx
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:43ami say let it go off the cliff. they are driving 140 miles an hr. and there are no guardrails oh they will fly for awhile. bunch of dumbasses. hate them all.
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metalurgy
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:47amDitto.
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:23amThe whole lot are magicians. Wolves in sheepskin. Let this china Camero go off the cliff…..
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ninja
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:35amwe are currently in flight.
the landing is coming soon.
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mrunner
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:50amWe are already off the cliff- they are just trying to find a way to make the bottom further down. The further down the bottom, the more violent the crash! I don’t like the automatic cuts and tax increases that will hit us- but kicking the can down the road yet again will just make the impact that much more painful when we hit. I agree, lets take our lumps now. If they had let us feel the pain back in 08/09 and not wasted trillions of dollars on stupid stuff- we would have all this crap in the rearview mirror by now. Let the ObamaZombie Apocalypse begin.
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AbrahamsSheepdog
Dec. 31, 2012 at 6:12am@Dadrocked. Remember talking about cliff jumping as kids? Looks like the have had us hanging over one too. Here we gooooooooo
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Joyzee
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:37amCut the Spending OR Cut Our Own Throats
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KidCharlemagne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:37am“Republicans and Democrats,” he continued, “they pretend they’re fighting up there, but they really aren’t.
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This is also commonly known as ‘Divide and Rule’ (i.e. ‘Divide & Conquer’):
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“In politics and sociology, divide and rule (or divide and conquer) is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into chunks that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. The concept refers to a strategy that breaks up existing power structures and prevents smaller power groups from linking up.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule
If you can somehow get your opposition to fight one another, then you can steal from them while their attention is diverted….
Unfortunately though, this ancient strategy has been perfected by both Republicans and Democrats (via their media minions)….
Not to mention the fact that Americans are generally stupid enough to fall for it too…
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qpwillie
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:56am@KidCharlemagne
So you chose to help Obama. Wow! How brilliant was that?
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ashestoashes
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:12amI voted for that puke Romney and it still makes me sick to my stomach that I did..Ron Paul is the only one who would have fixed things..Radical times call for radical means..Put the laws back into the hands of the states..Slash Communist/NWO government agencies that are destroying us from within..stop our troops from fighting for the NWO Rothschild controlled banks..and bring them home to defend our own borders..Give America back to Americans..But no..the Republicans wanted a white Obama..I am a Republican..always have been..I called the courthouse and they told me that I could not vote in the primaries if I wasn’t Republican or Dem..how’s that for Communism. There is no difference in the Republican and Democratic parties anymore..Enjoy your enslavement..Tribulations is upon us..It is done..
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zorro
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:20amExactly, qpwillie. For anyone to think a Romney Presidency would have been ‘the same” as an Obama second term is beyond ridiculous. Would a Romney Presidency have been perfect? NO! But much, much better than Obama. These guys were just too blind and too childish to see the forest from the trees. And the Republican party better watch out. These so called “Conservatives” are coming after social conservatives next which will further split the party. We’re being played by Democrats and everyone refuses to see it.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:27amnot the same….But Romney and Obama weren’t that different in the grand scheme of things
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KidCharlemagne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:00pmqpwillie
Posted on December 29, 2012 at 9:56am
@KidCharlemagne
So you chose to help Obama. Wow! How brilliant was that?
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You voted for the guy who lost, QPWillie so you don’t have any room to talk…..
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Canyouhearus
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:00pmGood Cop— Bad Cop! Their game and we still lose! An evil is lose in America.
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:04pmAshes, I am sorry that you wasted your vote. I did try and encourage you to vote your conscience. I told you voting for Romney would not make a difference, that he was not going to defeat Obama. There never was a chance and the establishment that made it happen knew it all along. Next time, stick to your own principles and you will feel better no matter what the outcome. Stay true friend.
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Redhawke
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:37amI am far more afraid of their “solution” to the Obama Cliff than the cliff itself.
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BODYBAG
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:44amThere is a solution. Lee Harvey Oswald.
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metalurgy
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:46amYup.
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ginger100
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:03amprobably some sort of food embargo by striking union dock workers and let the people riot over resources, then bring in govt force to enforce rule law with travel restrictions. The country will look like mogadishu with UN peacekeepers and Chinese military running around, hence the need for gun control, internet spying/wire tapping.
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rickc34
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:36amDoes anyone on Capital Hill or the White House really care about “we the people”?
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BODYBAG
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:42amAre you serious?
I think there are a few. I mean that in the strict definition of the word “few”.
” Being more than one but indefinitely small in number”
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Sully9378
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:00amnope
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old white guy
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:01amno. and yet idiots still vote for them.
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SaturdaysWarrior76
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:12amI think there are some who do care but they are outnumbered and stiffled at every turn. With Mooslims in the White House and all around the president…. I believe it is going to be up to WE THE PEOPLE to turn this thing around. Pray we are able to pull together and do what needs to be done. Our founders did it. With God and Courage, so can we!
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DLV
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:23pmYa know what’s funny. Anyone who is anyone today is “educated” by the college system but yet we have more stupid people than ever. In our founders day very few made it to college and yet it seems like there were smart people around every corner. If not smart by conventional means, at least more common sense.
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qpwillie
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:33amRon Paul has accomplished his goal of getting his useful idiots to help Obama get reelected. Now he wants to come back and gloat.
He needs to go somewhere and lie down and wait for the regime to send their people in the euthanize him because he’s no longer useful to them.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:42amDon’t be an idiot. Ron Paul is doing nothing more than telling the truth. And I have news for you, but Ron Paul did nothing to help Obama get re-elected. I’d put that responsibility far more in the court of Mitt “I didn’t even want to run for President” Romney.
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KidCharlemagne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:43am“Ron Paul has accomplished his goal of getting his useful idiots to help Obama get reelected.”
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If you had chosen a better candidate than Romney to begin with, then you wouldn’t have this problem…
So don’t blame your customers because they refuse to buy your lousy products and services anymore….
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DougHuffman
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:49amRon Paul is a progressive that was a libertarian before he was a republican.
μολων λαβέ molṑn labé ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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OldSurfRat
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:51amI’m not a Paul freak but in hind sight he may have won.
Romney could not and did not want to win.
I see it as a system that is in place now (8 for you 8 for us). There is no seperation of parties just voters.
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dwf1
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:51amI was a RP supporter. I was sofa king stupid and voted R&R (ABO). I’m one who wasted my vote!
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qpwillie
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:51am@Kupo
Wroooooong!!!!!!
Ronnie had all his little babbling idiots casting write-in votes for him to split the ticket. Why do you think he ran as a Republican? He calls himself a Libertarian. He hates the Republican party.
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dwf1
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:03amOK my first reply was scrub by the Mod. I supported RP for POTUS but decided to vote for R&R because I didn’t want the Marxist. There are to many obtuse voters for someone who speaks the truth to win. Now tell me who wasted their vote?
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circleDwagons
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:08am@Qp. What has the republican party done the last 4 years? They don’t even support conservative cadidates. Plus they are quick to throw their own under the bus. I am a Ron Paul republican and plan to work within the party.
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qpwillie
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:09am@Kupo
” I’d put that responsibility far more in the court of Mitt “I didn’t even want to run for President” Romney.”
Surely you don’t think Ron Paul thought he could win the presidency. If by some miracle, it had started looking like he was winning, he would have dropped out of the race immediately.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:09amCare to prove that QP? I thought not, since you can’t. I think it’s far more likely that most of the RP folks just stayed home because they refused to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
You really need to get real. It was obvious to anyone with even an ounce of perception that Romney was phoning the whole election in. He didn’t have a firm stance on anything, he had no serious plan to cut spending, he insulted large voting blocs (whether what he said is true or not is irrelevant), and he was all around just a really, really bad candidate. It speaks volumes regarding how crappy of a candidate Obama was that Romney got the votes that he did.
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qpwillie
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:12am@dwf1
The Blaze uses very old software. It can take up to 5 minutes for a post to show up after you’ve submitted it.
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justangry
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:24amQP, I haven’t seen you around lately. I see you still have your head firmly lodged up your rectum.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:25amit is the height of haughtiness and stupidity to blame Ron Paul for Romney’s defeat
It’s not like Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Herman Cain were out campaigning for Mitt Romney!!!
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:28amQP wrote… “Surely you don’t think Ron Paul thought he could win the presidency. If by some miracle, it had started looking like he was winning, he would have dropped out of the race immediately.”
First off QP… Paul never wanted to be POTUS… you are correct. He was a narcissist who just wanted a platform with no responsibility. He got a theater renovated in his home district and that’s all he ever really accomplished in 30 plus years.
Second… he realized he couldn’t run a Newsletter and he also realized he couldn’t run a nation. A man must come to know his limitations…
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:30amI cant believe Time2 is still repeating his 2008 endorsement lies…..Ron Paul clearly endorsed Chuck Baldwin and he recommended average americans consider 3rd party candidates….And he was right. Time2 continues his lies and will be held accountable some day
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Chromo200
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:35amRon Paul did not openly support Mitt. and that is why many Paulinistas did not vote or voted for someone else. Conservative Christians did not vote for Mitt because he was a Mormon. People stayed home because he was not conservative enough or too conservative .. Well we now have a socialist/marxist that is destroying this country with the help of the idiots in congress. But then other hand the GOP would have screwed us too they did it before they will do it again.
The Democrats have figured it out . the President has to be a person that appeals to the Jersey Shore/Honey Boo Boo/Survivor crowd. He or she has to have sex appeal, show empathy to the general public, and give out free stuff..
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qpwillie
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:39am@TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Yep. If he had wanted to be president and thought he could win, he would have ran as a candidate in his own party.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:41amSOY. Ron Paul endorsed 4 people for POTUS in ’08. McKinney, Nader, Barr and Baldwin. He was shamed into making one final endorsement and that ended up being Baldwin.
Ron Paul is and has always been a hypocrite.
Just think… he would endorse a Communist and anti-Capitalist then has to be shamed into making a final pick like American Idol…. lmao.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:49amTime2
Here you are, throwing around LIES again. Ron Paul did not endorse Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney for President in ’08. He endorsed Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. His “endorsement” for the others was only him urging people away from the disease that is our two-party false dichotomy.
“I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.” — Ron Paul
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/
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dwf1
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:51amThe RP and MR for POTUS bush has no leaves the bush is dead. How is Romney working out for you? How do you lose against a failed POTUS. Who is the Republican party going to support next? They better get this answered quick and start a viable campaign. The candidate better be conservative, honest, and know the US Constitution. Does anyone think they have a chance gaining the Oval office back? Will there even be one? Has anyone seen America lately? Time to play the hand that’s been dealt and move on.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:03amKUPO… you are absolutely clueless, but that’s the way it is with those who have to spin for an American traitor on par with Obama. Ron Paul openly endorsed 4 people (McKinney, Barr, Nader AND Baldwin) for POTUS in ’08 because of a pledge they signed.
Like I said… he was taken to task for his idiocy and finally settled on Baldwin for appeasement purposes only.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:10amCare to quote him on that? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:22amLmao@KUPO…. I don’t have to quote sqaut. Go look it up. All the info is there…
How unhinged do you have to be, intellectually, to endorse not only four people, but four whom also held diametrically opposing views on the role of government. This alone showed that Ron Paul is and was not a serious thinker. In fact it shows him to be a reactionary flame thrower, willing to completely abandon principles when he didn’t get his way.
Ron Paul may truly be concerned for the direction of the country, as all of us are, but undisciplined rhetoric and childish temper tantrums when he doesn’t get his way should disqualify him from the top nomination of any party.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:32amYeah you do have to quote it, because the quote doesn’t exist. Face it, I just called you out on your B.S. and you have absolutely no defense other than to call me clueless and unhinged.
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circleDwagons
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:35amSo romney lost because Paul did not endorse him? Time? What are u smoking? Why would romney want the endorsment of a “traitor”? Anyway, how many times did bonehead kiss obamas rear yesterday? The Ayes have it.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:42pmKUPO. You’re either intellectually disingenous or just plain incompetent. Do I need to hold your hand and do the research for you?? Not only clueless… but lazy too. It’s all there if you want to find it… it’s all there if you are intellectually honest with yourself and want to look past the spin and double talk of what you believe to be true…
CIRCLED. Lol… I’m glad Paul the elder didn’t endorse Romney. That would actually make him seem reasonable. We can’t have a reasonable Ron Paul without reasoning abililities now can we… ??
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DLV
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:54pmTime2- no offense but Kupo just beat you in this little debate. As someone who was reading it just to see where it went, that’s what I saw. I understand you hate RP, and apparently the founders as well since many of them were libertarians. Jefferson for one. My college roomate seems to think Jefferson was not. I disagree. Anyway, the point is Kupo brought up links to back up his arguments. If you’re making an accusation that Paul supported those people it’s YOUR responsibility to bring up the links. The accusors are the ones who bring up the evidence in a court of law. The defenders merely need to place doubt for the jury. It should work that way for these little debates as well. Although not exactly the same way.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:14pmThank you DLV. You are absolutely right. If someone makes a claim like Time2 did then they are obligated to provide evidence if they want to be taken seriously. After all, I actually have looked quite fervently for something showing that Ron Paul supported Nader, McKinney, and Barr in ’08 and have come up empty handed. Oh yeah, there are lots of websites that claim that he supported them, but those are backed up by loads of insubstantial vapor, such as twisting Paul’s support of 3rd Party candidates in general into an endorsement. Rubbish, pure and simple. This is a prime example of why extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, because chances are the evidence doesn’t really exist and the claimant is blowing smoke.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:44pm” This is a prime example of why extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, because chances are the evidence doesn’t really exist and the claimant is blowing smoke.”
No different than what the liberal democrats do. They make accusations about racism etc and dont back it up.
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dissentnow
Dec. 29, 2012 at 1:50pmHow long are you morons going to use Ron Paul as an excuse as to why Romney lost the election?
Its funny that you are the same guys who say that Ron Paul only had a handful of fringe supporters and couldn’t even win his home state but then you turn around and say that he and his supporters single-handedly cost Romney the election. How can he be responsible for costing Mitt the election if he only has a handful of supporters? Which one is it?
Its also funny that you are the same guys that always talk about how the “Paulbots” can’t get over the fact that Ron Paul lost but, yet, you guys are the ones who constantly cry about how Romney had the election stolen from him.
Also, the guys that claim to hate Ron Paul so much are the same ones who constantly bring him up, even when Ron Paul has nothing to do with the story.
It sounds like you guys are the ones that need to grow up and move on.
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dissentnow
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:27pm@Time2
Please provide proof that Ron Paul was shamed into endorsing Chuck Baldwin. Who shamed him? When did they shame him? Where did they shame him ( i’m assuming it was a public shaming seeing as how you know about it )? I want names and the links to this info.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:39pm@DissentNow
Didn’t you hear him? He said the information is out there and if you haven’t found it then it means that you are lazy, incompetent, and intellectually disingenuous; never admitting that the real reason is that the information is actually phantasmal nonsense.
In other words, Time2 is full of crap.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:47pmHere ya’ go ladies… from one of your own back awhile ago. I’ll give you this so I can point you in the right direction. Don’t want to make things too easy on Paul acolytes who are either too disingenous, too lazy, or too intellectually banckrupt to honestly do your own homework.
I have about 12 other links I can provide, but because you’re all too lazy to search ‘em out yourselves, let alone read ‘em… I’m not going to waste anymore time. Lazy freakin’ kids….
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West Coast Patriot
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:53pmTime_2 is still here showing his anti-American mindset. All he does on here is bash Ron Paul, he has nothing to offer but socialistic behavior. Just ignore him.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Dec. 29, 2012 at 2:54pmWhy did Ron Paul endorse Chuck Baldwin? http://www.nolanchart.com/article4975-why-did-ron-paul-endorse-chuck-baldwin.html
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:08pmCongratulations, TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12. You succeeded in ENDING_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12, to reelect King Soetoro. The King thanks you! For without your repeated BOLD-FACED LIES, he could’ve never been reelected.
Obama thanks you.
To correct one of your BOLD-FACED LIES (that you’ve been corrected on, COUNTLESS TIMES, but continue to LIE)… Ron Paul DID NOT “ENDORSE” McKinny, Nader, etc, in 08. HE SUPPORTED THEIR RIGHT TO BE HEARD AS THIRD PARTIES! HE DID NOT, IN ANY WAY, SUPPORT THEIR PLATFORMS! Ron Paul supported the Constitution Party’s Chuck Baldwin in 08.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:09pmTime2, nothing in that link even insinuated that Ron Paul endorsed McKinney or Nader or Barr, or ANYBODY but Chuck Baldwin.
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Brother Winston Smith
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:13pmOoooops. No, the “better evil” voters reelected Obama. Their successful 08 scam TO SPLIT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTES and elect Obama worked so well, they decided to do it again in 12 to reelect him. Ron Paul COULD HAVE SLAM DUNKED to election, so they had to CHEAT him out.
America will remember.
King Soetoro thanks you.
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dissentnow
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:17pmPerhaps you should google a little more because i didn’t see where it said that Ron Paul was “shamed” into endorsing Chuck Baldwin. Also, when did an opinion piece from a blogger become a “fact” to be used in a debate? Try a little harder next time.
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soybomb315_II
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:39pmLOL – that is the best that Time2 could come up with????
I suggest everyone watch that 2008 press conference. Listen to what Ron Paul says. Those are the words of a real man with principles. If more people had listened in 2008, the republican establishment would have picked a constitutional candidate in 2012 instead of a moderate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aquLH7yAdWo
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 3:53pmSOY
I know, right? I have to admit that I expected MUCH more from Time, which is surprising considering how low he normally sets the bar with his limp, flaccid rhetoric. And now that he has shown his abysmal hand he will ignore this thread by scuttling off into the shadows looking for the next opportunity to badmouth RP and libertarians in general. He seems to delight in little else considering how frequently he injects RP into topics that have absolutely nothing to do with him.
Truly a Class-A idiot and, presumably, a horrible human being.
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dissentnow
Dec. 29, 2012 at 4:16pm@Kupo
I’m not convinced that Time2 has fled from this thread yet. I’m pretty sure that he is feverishly googling anything that would, in some way, validate his lie about Ron Paul being shamed into endorsing Chuck Baldwin. I’m sure that he is hard at work ever since we called “BS” on that last link he posted earlier.
His google search may take awhile because he does have very large hands which sometimes makes it hard to use a standard-sized keyboard.
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Kupo
Dec. 29, 2012 at 4:30pmDisentNow
Possibly, but in my observations I have noticed that when Time2 says “I’m not wasting anymore of my time” that translates into him giving up albeit pretending that he won.
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ASonOfLiberty1776
Dec. 29, 2012 at 6:44pm“All anyone has to know about Ron Paul is that he endorsed Cnythia McKinney (a Communist) and Ralph Nader (an anti-capitalist) in ’08 for POTUS for signing a pledge.”
That’s a lie. He said he would CONSIDER endorsing anyone who signed his anti-Federal Reserve pledge. Only 4 people did, so that excludes everyone else. He only endorsed Chuck Baldwin in ’08.
“Ron Paul didn’t even have the cajones to stand up and vote on the NDAA in ’12, yet he and his malcontents railed against those that did. Can’t wait for this POS to take the dirt nap…”
Couldn’t have had anything to do with the House rushing through the vote while Paul (and Bachmann as well, you gonna call her out for doing the exact same thing?) were out campaigning. That is one of the most ridiculous charges against Paul I’ve heard in a while.
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justangry
Dec. 29, 2012 at 7:08pmSurprise surprise, the pinko collectivist/altruist showed up to bash the the small government guy that likes freedom with Alinsky smears. You all taking notes?
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Dec. 29, 2012 at 11:49pmTIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12 – Is a pathetic human being.
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DougHuffman
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:31amWhat’s missing? Responsibility. Responsibility in general. Responsibility to succeeding generations. Responsibility to the wishes of Obummer’s opposition. Fiscal Responsibility. Economic responsibility.
Responsibility is a unique concept.
You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished.
You may delegate it, but it is still with you.
If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else.
Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible. H. G. Rickover
μολων λαβέ molṑn labé ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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progressiveslayer
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:30amOur one party system with the carnival barker ringleader BHO will guarantee a second depression because they’ll continue spending and spending until the system collapses.They’re all candyass cowards the lot of them,none of them ever talk about cutting anything,it’s always slowing the rate of growth and no real cuts. The lawbreakers in DC could tax everyone at 100% and it won’t have any effect on the debt it’ll just harm the economy.They’re going to have to slash trillions in spending and keep the current tax rates,neither of which has a snowballs chance that’s why a collapse of the dollar is imminent.
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Dec. 29, 2012 at 12:50pmSLAYER : Yep, they’ll make the Dollar worth that of Toilet Paper. Then they’ll take our Guns and deprive US of Ammo. Then nothing will stand in the way of 100% complete control of US.
Who’s in your Wallet.
Heil Obama, Mein Fuhrer.
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flipper1073
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:27amIt’s not really the Tax increases that the Politicians
Are Worried About.
It’s the Automatic Spending Cuts that Really Scare Them.
The Best Solution would be To Extend the Bush Tax Cuts.
And let the Spending Cuts Kick In.
But We all know That’s NOT going to Happen.
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FLDeb
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:49amIve asked this on another thread, is the marriage penalty tax part of the Bush tax cuts? I would think that would be an important topic when discussing the upcoming changes. Many people are too young to remember how it was cheaper to stay single than getting married when going to the tax tables. It stopped many older people from getting married during a time that living together was not very acceptable.
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Dec. 30, 2012 at 2:44pmFL – yes this will be the return of the marriage penalty on steroids.
The old phaseout of itemized deductions will be back & new marriage penalties are added due to surcharge tax on individual making $200,000 or couple making $250,000.
I’ve been telling people all year NOT to get married but no one wants to live in sin so they will pay more in taxes as a result. Oh yeah & ask the Supreme Court obamacare is a new tax.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:26am“Drug addicts” is too gentle of a term to describe the addiction of spending the government has. More like, death through unending gluttony.
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listeninginVT
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:44amAmen on that.
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BODYBAG
Dec. 29, 2012 at 9:58amThe reality is that these people arent stupid and this isnt some “addiction”.
Its Cloward-Piven 2.0
Thats why, although legally required, there has been no budget for over 4 years
Progressives and their Black Messiah-King get on TV and jabber away about getting the debt under
control, cutting spending responsibly, belief in small businesses and free-markets ——
but thats nothing more than Kabuki theater. The lies are to pacify the brain-dead.
The real deal is that they’re purposely running up the debt and spending to tip the cart over.
They know it works because they’ve done it before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
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Couyon64
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:10amThey should all be tried for treason against the US.
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revelation2012
Dec. 29, 2012 at 10:17amNO ONE is ABOVE the LAW
ALL of THEM have put this Country and it’s People in DANGER!
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