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Will House Scuttle Fiscal Cliff Compromise?
The Senate’s last-ditch compromise to retroactively avert the fiscal cliff faces a less certain outcome in the House of Representatives, which has just two days to act before the new Congress convenes and the whole process must start over.
According to the New York Times, “it was clear Tuesday morning that many House Republicans were disenchanted with the plan.”
The Wall Street Journal reports that conservative Republicans are dismayed the compromise raises tax rates and doesn’t include more cuts in federal spending. House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) has raised the possibility the House could amend the bill and send it back to the Senate.
House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio arrives on Capitol Hill on Jan. 1, 2013. (Photo: AP)
This Congress faces a final deadline of noon Thursday to pass legislation. The U.S. Constitution mandates that a new Congress convene at noon on Jan. 3, unless the previous Congress passes a law designating a different date.
House Republicans planned a closed-door meeting Tuesday to decide their next move, according to the Associated Press.
The Senate compromise, which would negate the fiscal cliff of across-the-board tax increases and sweeping spending cuts, was approved by 89-8 early Tuesday. It would prevent middle-class taxes from going up but would raise rates on higher incomes. It would also block spending cuts for two months, extend unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, prevent a 27 percent cut in fees for doctors who treat Medicare patients and prevent a spike in milk prices.
The measure ensures that lawmakers will have to revisit difficult budget questions in just a few weeks, as relief from painful spending cuts expires and the government requires an increase in its borrowing cap.
Boehner pointedly refrained from endorsing the agreement, though he’s promised a vote on it or a GOP alternative right away. But he was expected to encounter opposition from House conservatives, and it was unclear when the vote would occur.
Boehner planned to brief his caucus early afternoon Tuesday. Biden scheduled a separate meeting with House Democrats to reprise his role of Monday night, when he promoted compromise to Senate Democrats before that chamber voted. Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., arrived at the Capitol in late morning, and both bid “Happy New Year” to greeters but didn’t say anything substantive about the Senate-passed bill.
UPDATE:
No. 2 House Republican Eric Cantor says he opposes the Senate bill to avert the “fiscal cliff,” according to the Associated Press.
“I do not support the bill,” Cantor told reporters while leaving the House GOP meeting, CNN relates.
Politico continues:
House Republicans are overwhelmingly opposed to the Senate’s bill to avert the fiscal cliff, making it nearly certain that Speaker John Boehner’s chamber will amend the legislation and send it back to the Senate.
Officially, GOP leadership has not made a decision what to do with the Senate-passed tax hike bill, which the Senate passed overwhelmingly shortly after 2 a.m. But in a real sign of trouble, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, No. 2 in House leadership, came out in opposition to the package.
A second meeting of House Republicans will be held Tuesday afternoon, at which leadership and the rank-and-file members are likely to settle on a path forward.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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sagrzmnky
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:42pmI have read Ron Paul suppoters thinking that that are blameless so here is my message to them. All of you Ron Paul supporters that say,” Don’t blame me”, you are to blame. It’s simple, not to vote, is to vote. If you did not vote for Romney because you were a Paul supporter, then you might as well have held Obama’s hand all the way back into the white house. You Paul supporters might as well have been tonguing Obama with Chris Christie. Obama is in the WH because of you.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:48pmNope dead wrong. He is in the W.H. because of 3 million less voters voted this election. Those were christian cons. who wouldn’t vote for a morman. Try again….
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hauschild
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:02pmWith the current state of America, do you actually believe Mitt Romney would have been able to effect mass change??? If so, you’re deluding yourself.
While Romney may have been able to work around the margins a bit, this country’s populace is too far outta whack to expect them (and more directly – they’re representation) to immediately do a 180.
It takes years and years to swing the pendulum once it’s as far left as it currently is. That doesn’t happen with a Romney victory; although some seeds could have been sewn to begin the process.
What we are witnessing right now is a direct reflection of the American population. We don’t like, but we’re obviously not in the majority. All we can really hope for at this point is that we all fight tooth and nail, provide contrast and hope more and more fence-sitters pick up on it.
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CicerosGhost
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:14pmI MUST RESPECTFULLY disagree WITH YOUR THEORY….
Ask yourself why should a candidate who repeatedly demonstrated both contempt and disregard for these voters SHOULD DESERVE support from these same voters…..
To Libertarian conservatives, neither Romney nor Obama represented their interests…. Both had demonstrated contempt for their perspective…. Neither was interested in balancing the budget or LIMITING the scope of assumed federal authorities…. Both casually disregarded the relevance of the constitution….
Why then, vote for either….?
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:19pmDoes anyone have a working link for that Bill so I can read it?
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:24pmMore lies, I supported Dr. Paul and DID vote, for Dr Paul. You Republican clowns think you can put up any moron and we are supposed to fall in line, think again. You clowns think you can put up a progressive like McCain and then put up a clown like Romney and we should just do whatever you idiots say, think again. Republicans and Romney lost because you morons think these guys are Conservatives, they are not. The only people to blame is YOU. You can continue to try and pull this B S, but in the end you only sound like Obamao. By the way, you do realize that Libertarians are a seperate party, right? I didn’t think so.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:25pmSilly Monk you know you can’t read it till they pass it…..
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BrutalTruth
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:27pmWhen your vote is used as a hedge to game who is most likely to win, your vote is wasted and principles are cast aside. You then basically stand for nothing that can’t be bought. You can’t compromise with error and still be correct.
Sounds like the RP voters voted their conscience. Good for them.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:40pm2008 + ABO + “hold your nose” + “better evil” + CHEAT OUT Ron Paul + LEFTIST McCain =
President Barack Hussein Obama
2012 + ABO + “hold your nose” + “better evil” + CHEAT OUT Ron Paul + LEFTIST Romney =
President Barack Hussein Obama
I believe the “blame” is rather easy to identify.
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Walkabout
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:41pmPutting America’s Tax Hike In Perspective
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/putting-americas-tax-hike-perspective
The chart shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that obam sux, the Democrats suck & RINOs suck
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E.Z. Las Vegas
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:42pmRomney did not lose because of Ron Paul, Mormonism, or the end of the Mayan calendar. He lost because of Mitt Romney.
He was more interested in being liked, than in being elected. He refused to criticize this administration even when criticism was REQUIRED.
He promised us pain and shared sacrifice, assuming that the electorate was smart enough on its own to figure out why it was necessary. It turns out that not everyone reads THE BLAZE, and so he really needed to explain WHY we have to take Big Bird off of welfare.
Meanwhile, Obama promised sunshine, lollipops, unicorns and rainbows, and the sheeple bought it as they almost always do, When faced with obvious pain (with no reward offered) and promises of infinite pleasure (which are unsustainable) people will choose pleasure.
And, of course, when the debt bomb explodes, and the Visigoths once again catch Rome asleep, the people will have been successfully manipulated into blaming conservatives for warning that the party had to end sometime, instead of the progressives who engineered this mess.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:48pmPersonally, I’m a little proud of my BLAMELESS voting record and have EARNED the bragging rights in laughter and ridicule…
In 2004 I voted for Constitution Party Michael Peroutka – CONSERVATIVE.
In 2008 I voted for Constitution Party Chuck Baldwin – CONSERVATIVE.
In 2012 I wrote in Republican Party Ron Paul – CONSERVATIVE.
In short… I SIMPLY VOTED CONSERVATIVE! Oh, what a joyous 2013… THIS COULD HAVE BEEN… if other “conservatives” would’ve done the same.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:50pmSpeaking of progressives…http://twitchy.com/2013/01/01/after-voting-for-crap-sandwich-sen-lindsey-graham-says-its-time-to-control-spending/
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Walkabout
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:50pmThe tax increases closes the budget deficit by 6%. If we went with Obama’s original plan it would close it by maybe 7% (increase marginal rate for $250k & up). Obama was never serious about the deficit or the debt. That is criminal.
There was $1 in spending cuts for every $41 dollars of tax increases in the Senate compromise.
Putting America’s Tax Hike In Perspective
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/putting-americas-tax-hike-perspective
Fiscal Cliff Deal: $1 in Spending Cuts for Every $41 in Tax Increases
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/31/Fiscal-cliff-deal-41-1-in-tax-increases-to-spending-cuts-ratio
The Senate compromise is headed in the right direction in baby steps. But at that rate it will not head off the debt disaster in time
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LifeandLiberty2
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:59pmYes, Romney a moderate at best lost to the Progressive Marxist Obama because too many conservatives did not vote. The Dr. Paul voters will never vote for any Republican so to blame them Romney’s loss is a waste of time. The Paul voters will always be wandering out in the countryside voting for candidates that will never even be able to have a chance to compete. To them it’s their way 100% of the time or the highway. They do not understand that their best chance was to work to reform the Republican Party from within. Winning 50% of what you want is preferable to losing 100%. At least you can continue to fight for the other 50%. Hey, I know it sound rational but to many Paul supporters they would rather lose and complain than win just a little bit at a time.
However, this argument fits right into Obama’s playbook. We are fighting with each other rather than trying to defeat him.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:06pmsagrzmnky… I know you’re feeling guilty. I know there are demons scratching at your back. Laughing at you in the mirror. Ruining your holidays. I know your skin is tingling a little as you enter your church…
BUT YOU HAVE THE POWER TO TURN IT ALL AROUND! To sleep soundly. To again, be able to look your children in the eye! IT’S NEVER TOO LATE:
1. NEVER, EVER AGAIN, vote for the “better evil” and TODAY – THIS VERY MOMENT, CUT UP YOUR LEFTIST REPUBLICAN PARTY CARD.
2. STOP NURSING FAKE-conservative FOX/Clearchannel and tune into REAL-conservative infowars.com.
3. Support the Constitution Party.
4. Support the Libertarian Party.
5. Support State nullification.
Good luck, sir! Your life is about to change for the better! The air will smell sweeter, the sun brighter…
and you’ll needn’t DESPERATELY SHIFT ANY BLAME to conservative, Christian, veteran, economist, doctor, CONSTITUTIONALIST Ron Paul or his supporters.
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OlefromMN
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:07pmWho cares? The FACT is that Obama has the White House, the Dems have the Senate, and the GOP has the House. Now there is this little ability the House has, it’s called the purse strings. Let’s see how each of our “representatives” handles this current bill.
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Fubared
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:12pmBro SMitty and Cometh
Nobody seems to be thanking you for Romney’s loss, just real big ups and proper props for 0 getting another go. There were 2 viable choices, and your choice went to 0. Who cares, cry about Paul’sJohnson getting no respect and don’t ever gander in a mirror. Sure. 0 loves you.
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qpwillie
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:15pm@sagrzmnky
You are absolutely correct. Anybody who didn’t vote against Obama voted for him and they are to blame for anything that happens as a result of it. The Paulbots can babble their craziness as much as they want but it doesn’t negate the results of their actions.
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OlefromMN
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:17pm@ TheMONK,
“Does anyone have a working link for that Bill so I can read it?” The Senate took H.R.8 and amended the life out of it in order to comply with Art.1 Sec.7 cl.1. The amended copy is not yet available to view from the research I have been able to perform.
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:17pmTo LifeandLiberty:
You could not be more wrong. You clowns still think that Romney was a 50% win, I have news for you, he was not. You clowns still think that it is “OUR” way or the highway, again you could not be more wrong. Most Ron Paul supporters are Libertarians, which are a seperate party. Libertarians are for the Constitution, so to correct your statement, it’s the CONSTITUTION’S way or the highway. I believe you should continue to spout the garbage about “Paul supporters” because that has worked so well in the past. You idiots believe we should “compromise,” but never bother to compromise with us. In fact, it has always been YOUR way or the highway, but nice Psychological Projecting.
In the end, the part you refuse to realize is that I and many like me will never vote for someone that we do not feel represents us. You may be willing to compromise your principles (if you have any) but I will not. That is exactly what got us into this mess in the first, so maybe we should keep doing it, NOT!
The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.
-Albert Einstein
So, keep voting for the lesser of two evils…
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:20pmTo Fubar:
A vote is for the person it is cast, no one else. Take your lies and shove them.
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qpwillie
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:26pm@greywolfrs
“Most Ron Paul supporters are Libertarians, which are a seperate party.”
You do know that Ron Paul ran on the Republican ticket, don’t you?
Paulbots knew what the results of their actions would be. It’s time for them to grow up and start claiming responsibility for their actions.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:33pmWell said Greywolfers. Thank You. Some just don’t get the whole freedom thing do they? No one should tell or force anyone to vote a certain way. I blame people like Fubar for the shape we our in. See how pathetic that sounds.
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qpwillie
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:34pm@greywolfrs
You don’t seem to understand the concept of results. The results of what you did is another four years for Obama to finish what he started. I don’t know how you can avoid seeing that.
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:34pmThis Bill, HR8, was passed by the House back in Sept and Harry Reid has been sitting on it.
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kryptonite
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:35pmIt is baffling to say the least that at this stage some of you still don’t understand how communism works. It is a machine and it was at full throttle during the election. First, there was massive fraud. Second, the media DISINFORMED the populace. It is a LIE that so many people voted for Obama. His voters were disenchanted and a great many of them stayed home. It is also a lie that Christians refused to vote for Romney. No one understood the spiritual consequences of NOT voting for Romney better than us, which leads me to my second point.
Those of you who did not vote for Romney are so blind spiritually that you don’t even grasp the fact that he is a worker of iniquity. You did nothing to stop his worldwide abortion activism, his gay marriage activism, his U.N.-Islamist activism, etc. Therefore, the ETERNAL God will hold you accountable. To say that Romney would not have made an 180-degree turn regarding all the above is a LIE. The proof that you are deceived is the person you follow around hook in nose: a racist, an Israel-hater and Islamist sympathizer, a “truther,” a sleazy, underhanded, fruitless career politician who used the Constitution as a bait to lure people into his political cult.
Romney would have lost no matter what, but who you voted for will in large measure determine your spiritual path in these end times.
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:35pmhttp://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr8eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr8eas.pdf
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:4:./temp/~c112S47o7f::
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WireWizard
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:39pmThis is the way it is supposed to work. The country got exactly what it deserves.
Whether you believe in voting your conscience without compromise or voting to elect the lesser of two evils, We all needed to work harder to win what we wanted.
GOP supporters should have done better to defeat the fraud they knew was coming on election day and do a better job of getting past the media with a coherent message.
The Ron Paul supporters got it right, in my opinion.
Unfortunately they will never reach real power until the current one breaks down
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:43pmAll this Bill says is,
“is amended in the first sentence by striking `January 1, 2013′ and inserting `January 1, 2014′.”
and…
“by striking `December 31, 2012′ and inserting `December 31, 2013′;”
over and over again…..
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OlefromMN
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:50pm“This Bill, HR8, was passed by the House back in Sept and Harry Reid has been sitting on it.”
No, he has been “massaging” it to fit Obie’s platform. Every bill passed by the House is subject to the Senate’s pencil and eraser. It would take an astute House to send bills in a “pass as is” fashion.
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:56pmHi OlefromMN,
I hear you… : (
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:57pmHi OlefromMN,
Is “Deem and Pass” still active and being used?
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addie
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:59pmWrong, you republicans are to blame! When will YOU learn to stop already with the liberal RINOs you keep putting up as candidates! You would think the republicans would have learned after McCain! But no, the stupid republicans double down on an even further leftist antigun RINO Romney! I cant vote in the primary because i am not a republican! I didnt leave the republican party, they left me and i am happy and proud not to associate with them any more than the democrats because too often, you cant tell the two apart! I for one am sick of it but the republicans will never learn because their heads are as far up their azzes as the liberals are!
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:01pmTo QPWILLIE:
Again, you moron Republicans don’t have the first clue about which you speak. Here’s a free lesson for you uneducated idiots. Neither party, Democrap or Republican, can win with only their own party’s vote, even if EVERYONE goes to the polls. Republicans can not win with Republican and Libertarian votes ALONE. Both sides MUST have a significant portion of the INDEPENDENT vote, period. So, your straw man argument of it being Paul supporters or Libertarians is completely B S.
Let’s talk about results. The results of the “voting for the lesser of two evils” for the past 30 years are? 16 trillion in debt and the system collapsing under unsustainable debt and deficits that Democraps and REPUBLICANS have made. The results of the Republican establishment putting up a clown for a second election cycle is what got Obamao elected, AGAIN. Again, you idiots think that you can put a clown and the rest of us should fall into line, no thanks. Again, you idiots want to blame someone else, but yourselves, for putting that clown up in the first, not going to happen. Again, you idiots are sounding EXACTLY Obamao and Democraps, then you wonder why people like myself don’t want to have anything to do with you or Republicans.
P.S. Yes, I know Ron Paul ran as a Republican, but I find it funny that you claim him on that point and want to have nothing else to do with him. What’s even more funny, you refuse to see that he is a Libertarian in just about EVERY view he has.
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qpwillie
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:02pm@WireWizard
To “vote your conscience” means to do the thing that you believe will best serve the country. It doesn’t mean to act like a spoiled three year old and say “I’m going to vote this way and I don’t care what it does to the country!!”.
The Paulbots never thought their votes would serve the country better.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:08pm@ KRYPTO:Christians refused to vote for Romney. No one understood the spiritual consequences of NOT voting for Romney better than us, which leads me to my second point. Over 60% of catholics and jews voted for obama. Don’t be trying to pull no ( I holyier than thow crapp) with me. I guess since i don’t believe in God and voted for the Constitution i’m less than human than people who do believe. For those who do believe and voted for the Constitution are less spirited than you?
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OlefromMN
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:08pm“Is “Deem and Pass” still active and being used?”
Not sure how it would be relevant as it is just a procedure to move a bill through the specific chamber. A simple clause at the end of each bill stating the bill must be passed in it’s entirety or deemed void would be more effective IMO.
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qpwillie
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:09pm@greywolfrs
OK, I know you Paulbots are not very bright so I’ll try to simplify this. How have you helped the country by voting for Ron Paul? In other words, how’s that working out for you?
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darkknight91
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:12pmFools. You keep arguing with each other as to who is to blame. Your country is almost flushed completely down the toilet and you all keep arguing politics as if that’s going to fix it. Politics IS the problem. There’s nothing in history that leads me to believe we can bring this back. This will only end in blood. We are living the communist’s plan for the last 50 years. They’ve achieved virtually everything they wanted in this country. Communism surrounds this president and there’s not a communist leader that didn’t implement his plan with death. You all better wise up and come up with a different plan than your vote. It doesn’t mean anything anymore.
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TRILO
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:12pmTry again. Obama had 10 million less votes and was still re-elected. Can you please explain to me that out of the 3 million votes that denied Romney the election you know that they were all Ron Paul supporters? How about you and others who keep blaming Ron Paul actually place the blame squarely on the GOP establishment for once again giving us a progressive, left leaning republican who could not make up his mind where he stood on any single issue. How about in 2016 those of you who vote for the “R” instead of what the person stands for at least give the American people someone who actually wants to be President.
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ThereIsNoOtherStream
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:13pmI agreed with Paul on a lot of things, but his foreign policy (or lack there of) was way too dangerous. Isolationism has been tried before. It doesn’t work. So there was only one choice for any well informed conservative and that was Romney. Wasn’t pretty, especially after the debate fiasco when he “agreed” with Obama. But look, there were a lot of reasons why Romney lost as many have mentioned. I am most angry with people who claim to be Christian, but didn’t vote. Not to speak is to speak. Not to stand is to stand. And they will not be held blameless.
That said, this whole thing is ridiculous. I for one hope the House rejects this bogus bill … course Obama is hoping they do too so he can lay all the blame on them. The numbers being talked about are insane when held up to the amount of dept this country has. It’s all going to crash, sooner or later. I just hope enough people are prepared so as to be able to rebuild this once great nation.
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:14pmHi OlefromMN,
Guess what HR8 says at the very end? No PayGo….
6 Subtitle B—Budgetary Effects
7 SEC. 911. BUDGETARY EFFECTS.
8 (a) PAYGO SCORECARD.—The budgetary effects of
9 this Act shall not be entered on either PAYGO scorecard
10 maintained pursuant to section 4(d) of the Statutory Pay-
11 As-You-Go Act of 2010.
12 (b) SENATE PAYGO SCORECARD.—The budgetary ef13
fects of this Act shall not be entered on any PAYGO score14
card maintained for purposes of section 201 of S. Con. Res.
15 21 (110th Congress).
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qpwillie
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:18pm@TRILO
The fact is, you KNEW Ron Paul had NO chance of winning ….. and so did Ron Paul, as far as that goes.
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Fubared
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:22pmGraydoggie
Sure, I can take my lies, my math right on home. Hope your full size Paul’sJohnson doll keeps you company. Bots are laughable. Like the uninformed voter of the left, the rabid bot is to blame for Paul’s success and or lack thereof. Math, first racist, now it lies to bots. You aligned with 0 out of spite and now still want to cry about the virtues of the good old doc. Just hold hands with Sista Smith and keep on crying.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:33pmTHESE GOVERNMENT BASTARDS PRETEND THEY ARE LEADERS OF SOME IMPERIAL SUPERPOWER WHEN THEY ARE NOTHING BUT PAUPERS
They borrow money from our enemies and even hide the fact. They are not borrowing 40 percent from China its more like 60 percent. They are hated by all Americans except those they give away free stuff too. They are not fooling anyone, the whole World looks at America and laugh.
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:34pmHi OlefromMN,
Is “Deem and Pass” still active and being used?
From what I remember this was how they got Obamacare passed. The House sent a 2300 page Bill to the Senate, the Senate added 400 pages, “deemed” it to be the same Bill the House sent over, then passed the 2700 page Bill and sent it to Obama to sign. It never went back to the House after the 400 pages were added.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:36pmTHIS DEAL IS A DOWN PAYMENT FOR SECESSION.
They need hollow point ammo and armed drowns to control us. They must threaten our people daily to get away with the farce. Very soon the farce will be over.
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:36pmTo Fubar:
I aligned myself with the Libertarian party, period. All your lies does not change that fact. You straw man B S doesn’t work. Seems to me you are the one crying that Romney lost. You fools can make your childish comments about dolls and the like, but in the end you will have face one hard truth, it was YOU and the Republican establishment that lost the election.
To QPWILLIE:
I’ll make real simple for you moron. Knowing you needed a significant number of INDEPENDENT votes to win, you put up a clown like Romney and he LOST. How’s that working out for you?
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:42pmTo Muffy:
Actually, you are wrong. The debt is being bought by the Federal Reserve. Other countries hold very little of our debt, the Federal Reserve holds MOST of our debt. Now, let’s look at WHO the Federal Reserve is. They are the very same bankers and “elites” that are working towards the NWO. People like the Bilderbergs which include the Morgans and Rothschilds.
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:43pmThereIsNoOtherStream DISSECTED…
DOUBTFUL:
“I agreed with Paul on a lot of things”
TRUTH:
FAKE-conservatives will ALWAYS claim this, to make their propaganda seem more palatable or genuine. The FALSE praise will ALWAYS be followed with a “but” and lies.
BUT & LIE:
“but his foreign policy (or lack there of) was way too dangerous.”
TRUTH:
RP’s NONINTERVENTIONIST foreign policy SAVES LIVES, PROMOTES PEACE AND STRENGTHENS DEFENSE.
LIE:
“Isolationism”
TRUTH:
The TRUE “isolationist” foreign policy is that of welfare, warfare, propping up and tearing down. It CREATES MORE ENEMIES than it neutralizes.
LIE:
“So there was only one choice… Romney.”
TRUTH:
RP was the MUCH BETTER CHOICE and a SLAM-DUNK win. Romney was, AS PREDICTED, a GUARANTEED LOSS.
UNDERSTATEMENT:
“agreed” with Obama.”
QUESTION:
WHERE did Romney DISAGREE with Obama?
LIE:
“a lot of reasons why Romney lost”
TRUTH:
Romney lost ONLY because he was and is, an HATED PROGRESSIVE.
FALSE:
“claim to be Christian, but didn’t vote.”
TRUTH:
No, the Christian HYPOCRITES were the ones who VOTED for “better evil.”
LIE:
“And they will not be held blameless.”
TRUTH:
I DID NOT vote for evil. I AM BLAMELESS.
PROPAGANDA:
“It’s all going to crash”
OBSERVATION:
I’ve noticed the building REPUBLICAN narrative of “everything’s lost.” I strongly suspect this is a tactic to DISENGAGE people and KEEP THEM defeated and on the republican plantation to “brac
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Hotconchick
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:49pmA Fascist is in the White House because an election was stolen and/or America is loaded with a bunch of free loading takers. Can we stop blaming each other now? It’s really getting old.
We are supposed to be with each other to fight this tyranny not against. If you keep fighting about needless junk that is over- we are letting them win. This is what the others want.
These parties all need to be dissolved along with the Supreme Court justices and the government needs to be given back to the people and I don’t mean the takers- as far as I’m concerned- they can leave if they don’t like the way we do things here but their free ride needs to be over. Cuba is nice this time of year- let them check out the persecution which will inevitably come here if it isn’t stopped and see how they love big government then.
But please stop the in fighting- it solves nothing. Yes- the Republicans are horrid- we can all agree there but we are fighting a much bigger global beast at the moment that has been groomed to bring America down to size- shouldn’t that be our focus?
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Cloth Stews
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:00pmmonk
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/01/01/american.taxpayer.relief.act.pdf
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:06pmThanks Cloth Stews….
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Brettfan
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:19pmI know you want to rant about Obama winning again, but Romney was the wrong candidate to have ever been nominated against Obama other than McCain and I hold most of the GOP base responsible for nominating him and losing the election except for Santorum voters. As well as holding a grudge against all those on the right who bashed Michele Bachmann and/or Rick Santorum. I am by no means for Ron Paul as he is anti-Israel and anti-defense. But I almost voted third party because I was upset at Romney, the liar rino, having been nominated. I ended up voting Romney, but took a long time at the booth thinking about writing in Virgil Goode or Michele Bachmann’s name. The GOP is useless.
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kryptonite
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:28pmCorrection: “Those of you who did not vote for Romney are so blind spiritually that you don’t even grasp the fact that OBAMA is a worker of iniquity.”
CIVILWARCOMETH
Over 60% of catholics and jews voted for obama.
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Why wouldn’t they. Both are for the most part deceived.
The Catholic Church (Pope) is going to align with Islam in the end times. Guess who will be the go-between? Yep, Mary. The same “Queen of Peace” who appeared at Fatima, Portugal, a sign to Muslims, since Fatima was M-mad’s daughter. In fact, M-mad eagerly awaited making Mary his wife when he got to paradise (Ironically, Islam insists on Mary’s earthly virginity, but gives her over to the perv in paradise – ha.).
More Muslims are now claiming to see visions of Mary, whose message is unity and world peace through her. True followers of Christ will reject it and be beheaded for it. http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c51.shtml
I don’t talk about the Islam-Mary connection a lot, because my focus is getting Catholics to be born again, and bringing Islam into the picture doesn’t help.
As for Jews, they still have a veil over their eyes, and only a remnant will survive the onslaught of the end times.
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:29pmTo Brother Winston:
Those are same things that have been said about Paul supporters and Libertarians in general. I truly find it funny that these “so-called” Conservatives and Republicans call people like us “bots,” yet never stop to think that they are voting for whomever the establishment tells them to vote for, then they wonder why they lose elections. In fact, they turn into the very thing they supposedly hate. They use the same psychological projection that left wingers use and claim to be different.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:36pmIf you voted for Romney – you threw your vote away because you voted for a losing candidate who stood for nothing.
If you voted for 3rd party – you also threw your vote away but at least you voted for a candidate who stood for something
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kryptonite
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:46pmCIVILWARCOMETH (CONT.)
I guess since i don’t believe in God and voted for the Constitution i’m less than human than people who do believe.
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I guess since you don’t believe in God you will suffer greatly in these end times, trying to make it without God – not to mention what will happen to your soul in eternity.
Who’s contesting your human nature? You are as much a human as me, and Jesus died for your sins as well as mine. He doesn’t love me more than He loves you. You are in no way less human, but you *are* a fool for rejecting “so great a salvation.”
I’m talking deception, which is Greek to an atheist. It’s all about end-time deception. There is a war on earth because Satan has little time left. And no, friend, you did NOT vote for the Constitution. You voted FOR RON PAUL, a deceiver.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2603539/posts?page=1
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kryptonite
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:50pmDARKKNIGHT
You are absolutely right. Voting is a charade in all commie paradigms.
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kryptonite
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:03pmTRILO
How about in 2016 those of you who vote for the “R” instead of what the person stands for at least give the American people someone who actually wants to be President.
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How about you wake up. First: In 2016 the commies will win again, unless there’s a civil war and we win it. Ponder that.
Second: You actually believe Romney did not want to be president? Really? You think anyone who is willing to take on a sociopathic thug like Obama is playing games? You were not the one getting media manure and leftist threats hurled at you and your family daily.
Romney was not and never will be a power-hungry man. Maybe that’s what Tagg meant. But who cares what his son says anyway. Romney’s actions speak for themselves.
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:14pm@civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:25pm
Silly Monk you know you can’t read it till they pass it…
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Please petition the Blaze FOR A “Like” button with a VERY LARGE counter attached.
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:25pm@Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:40pm
2008 + ABO + “hold your nose” + “better evil” + CHEAT OUT Ron Paul + LEFTIST McCain =
President Barack Hussein Obama
2012 + ABO + “hold your nose” + “better evil” + CHEAT OUT Ron Paul + LEFTIST Romney =
President Barack Hussein Obama
I believe the “blame” is rather easy to identify
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2013 However he won HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS (and heads if you can), while you guys are busy establishing blame the enemies are unraveling the country, THE ONLY WAY TO SURVIVE IS TO REMEMBER: “United we stand, Divided we fall.” (Don’t remember the origin but total truth) They manage to divide those who love the country as founded, and the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land and there will be no answer but the government to step in and make arrests with martial law to restore order. Remember they have ows just waiting to jump into the fray, the new black panthers training to kill all whites, beginning with babies, and when they’re gone and the thirst for blood lives, where will they turn, and the communists and caliphate lovers will then battle over which gets the land and anything or one surviving in it! Everyone shake hands, and come out fighting for the Constitution not against each other!
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:32pm@Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:48pm
Personally, I’m a little proud of my BLAMELESS voting record and have EARNED the bragging rights in laughter and ridicule…
In 2004 I voted for Constitution Party Michael Peroutka – CONSERVATIVE.
In 2008 I voted for Constitution Party Chuck Baldwin – CONSERVATIVE.
In 2012 I wrote in Republican Party Ron Paul – CONSERVATIVE.
In short… I SIMPLY VOTED CONSERVATIVE! Oh, what a joyous 2013… THIS COULD HAVE BEEN… if other “conservatives” would’ve done the same.
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So have a cigar if you don’t break your arm patting your own back! Then figure out where it got you and sit down with the guys your lording it over and try to figure a way to save the country, we all know the voter fraud was the biggest reason for an obama second term and he’s got the rino’s to scared to do anything for our country. It’s once again up to a union of the few who love this country to work together to rebuild it. Doesn’t leave much time or room for infighting. Washington’s troops wouldn’t have been victorious if they’d sounded like this bunch of patriots.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:52pmThank God someone finally said this! God bless you! Add the millions of Evangelicals who sat on their proverbial arses and stayed home too cause they didn’t have the “perfect” candidate! Egad! Election 2012 was a no brainer for me. With Obama you are in a race against wickedness and evil beyond anything the United States has ever seen. That Mitt Romney would “slow” it down is a better deal. I just don’t think that Americans get that difference. If you cannot defeat evil then for God’s sake just slow it down. Ackkk!
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:10pmAnyone else notice how this picture looks like boehner is “Whistling past a graveyard.” as he walks through the halls?
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:19pmMIL MOM DISSECTED…
HALF TRUTH:
“the enemies are unraveling the country”
WHOLE TRUTH:
The leftist republican party and leftist democrat party are unraveling the country.
CORRECT:
“United we stand, Divided we fall.”
TRUTH:
But the leftist republican party IS FOREVER DIVIDING CONSERVATIVES AND GUARANTEEING THEIR LOSS.
PERFECT EXAMPLE OF DIVIDING AMERICANS:
“ows” “black panthers” “caliphate lovers”
REALITY:
Those groups have done NOTHING to me… but REPUBLICANS/DEMOCRATS (same thing) have UNCONSTITUTIONALLY STOLEN MY EARNINGS AND FREEDOMS for decades.
FAILED STRATEGY:
“come out fighting for the Constitution not against each other!”
TRUTH:
The FAKE-conservative republican party PROVED in 2012 THEY WILL NEVER “come together.” They CHEATED IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY, to EXCLUDE Ron Paul and his support… consequently REELECTING Obama.
HALF TRUTH:
“voter fraud was the biggest reason…”
WHOLE TRUTH:
REPUBLICAN voter fraud (CHEAT-nominating a PROGRESSIVE).
FALSE:
“infighting.”
TRUTH:
I am NOT, IN ANY WAY part of YOUR group of FAKE-conservative republicans, as the word “infighting” FALSELY suggests.
FALSE:
“Washington’s troops wouldn’t have been victorious if they’d sounded like this bunch of patriots.”
TRUTH:
FAKE-conservative republicans ARE NOT PATRIOTS and best personify LOYALISTS TO THE CROWN WHO FOUGHT AGAINST AMERICAN PATRIOTS!!!
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:23pmshorelineliz, which is “evil” and which is “better evil?”
Obama – UNCONSTITUTIONAL TARP
Romney – UNCONSTITUTIONAL TARP
Obama – UNCONSTITUTIONAL Stimulus
Romney – UNCONSTITUTIONAL Stimulus
Obama – Signed UNCONSTITUTIONAL NDAA
Romney – Would sign UNCONSTITUTIONAL NDAA
Obama – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Romney – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Obama – UNCONSTITUTIONAL, interventionist nation-building
Romney – UNCONSTITUTIONAL, interventionist nation-building
Obama – Chickenhawk
Romney – Chickenhawk
Obama – UNCONSTITUTIONAL “Patriot” Act
Romney – UNCONSTITUTIONAL “Patriot” Act
Obama – UNCONSTITUTIONAL Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
Romney – UNCONSTITUTIONAL Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
Obama – COMPULSORY, UNCONSTITUTIONALLY-funded collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
Romney – COMPULSORY, UNCONSTITUTIONALLY-funded collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
Obama – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Romney – REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Obama – Unconditional surrender to a VIOLENT illegal alien invasion
Romney – Unconditional surrender to a VIOLENT illegal alien invasion
Obama – Appoints leftist judges
Romney – Appoints leftist judges
Obama – homosexual “marriage”
Romney – homosexual “marriage” (unless campaigning)
Obama – Abortion
Romney – Abortion (unless campaigning)
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Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:35pmI disagree, Paul voters had a legitimate reason to not vote Romney. To support him would have meaned an approval of the corruptness of the party. And they would continue doing the same things every election cycle, w/o any fear of losing votes. It is party loyalty that ruins this country. You have to call your own party out sometimes, and it was obvious the party loyalists refused to recognize when their own party is corrupt. All we conservatives preach taking responsibility for our actions. The Republican Party chose to be as corrupt, and try to force things in a certain direction a lot of didn’t want to go. So we held them accountable….
To keep electing the same BS every election cycle on the fear of “A vote for 3rd is a vote for who we don’t want” It’s only because people have this mind set that makes the statement true, because if we all used our own brains and voted for who we thought was right for the country….we would probably get some really good leaders (maybe not the preferred party). Instead we are force fed candidates. And we vote on them because if we don’t it is a vote for the other guy……..And its only a thought that makes you do it….
Romney lost because the Republican party decided to show its colors…
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Andybinga
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:40pmTime to stand-fast and overturn the bill until it contains budget cuts and decrease of parasite funding.
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Will NV
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:00pmShove the bill so far up the “ONES” @ss, it will never see the light of day again.
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dublinthewagons
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:03pmIf you can’t or don’t have the time to do it right the first time. When will you have the time to redo it?
If the cuts aren’t agreed on now. They never will be. The democrats did it with Reagan. Their word is no good. Take the time to do it right. Remember obamacare. And Obama’s pledge on an executive order to his own party members for their vote. B.H.O. packa crap lies
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dublinthewagons
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:21pmMay God save the republic.
The republic of Texas.
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JSherrillj
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:27pmThis may seem like a silly question but where is the 14th amendment in all this? Does equal protection allow me to pay one tax rate and my neighbor to pay another? Just seems unfair to me.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:33pmOut-STANDING catch! That has never dawned on me to ask, I’m terribly happy you brought it up, thank you!
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:38pmMaybe the rich should “come out” as a protected class? Claim they are targeted for being racist homophobic baby killing woman haters who happen to be cross dressers.
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Female
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:41pm89 senators vote yea?
I recommend 89 house members from the same states vote “Nay” and you could very well get a promotion to the senate, VP, or PRES
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g0rthaur
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:24pmShort answer from someone who knows just a little. First, I just want to make clear that I philosophically agree with you, but here is the constitutional/legal answer: First, you should realize that in a way, pretty much every law “discriminates” in some way. For example, laws the punish murder ‘discriminate’ against violent people and murderers. So at this point, the question becomes for constitutional purposes: What forms of discrimination are permissible and which are not? Basically, most forms of “discrimination’ (in the broad sense I’ve discussed) are permissible unless they bear on certain ‘protected’ classes which are implied by our constitution. You can probably guess these classes: Race, Sex/Gender, Religion, National Origin, etc. But economic classes are not a protected class for constitutional purposes. Hope this helps!
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bamanana
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:31pmRemember slavery? These elitist from both parties are above the oath they all took to uphold the constitution! My employer held a company wide meeting telling us if the taxes were raised on the company’s gross earnings he would have to let half of us go! We are not treated equally by the ones who represent us nor the courts who interpret the laws of the land.
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:49pm@Female
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:41pm
89 senators vote yea?
I recommend 89 house members from the same states vote “Nay” and you could very well get a promotion to the senate, VP, or PRES
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Again we need a “Like” button. 2 times in one story, WOW!
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Beachmastermax
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:25pmIf the house votes this down, I can see the headlines tommorrow: “House Republicans vote down middle class TAX CUT!”
How does the GOP get into the position of saying…”If you don’t lower spending we are going to vote to RAISE taxes on 98% of the people!!!!”
Truely idiots.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:34pm“WILL HOUSE SCUTTLE FISCAL CLIFF COMPROMISE?”
God I hope so.
Here’s the RAW DEAL:
Cliff Deal: Winners & Losers
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-12-31/cliff-deal-winners-and-losers
Cliff Deal In one Picture:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/putting-americas-tax-hike-perspective
Those who’ve seen my posts here know that Im no PaulBot. But I never bash
Ron Paul or his supporters because he’s principled & consistent:
Ron Paul’s New Year’s Message to Congress: Follow the Constitution
http://www.ronpaul.com/2012-12-30/ron-pauls-new-years-message-to-congress-follow-the-constitution-in-2013/
“Understand that economic freedom is freedom. Resolve not to get in the way of voluntary contracts between
consenting adults. Stop bailing out failed yet politically connected companies and industries. Stop forcing people
to engage in commerce when they don’t want to, and stop prohibiting them from buying and selling when they
want to. Stop trying to legislate your ideas of fairness. Protect property rights. Protect the individual.
That is enough.”
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Beachmastermax
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:39pmOh ya, and I forgot……”AND CUT THE MILITARY DRASTICALLY!!!!”
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Beachmastermax
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:58pm@BB
No crap we have a spending problem. How is letting the Bush tax rates expire (actually they already have) across the board help that? That will actually cause REVENUES to go down and increase the deficit.
So all the house will be doing by voting down this tax cut, and yes it is a tax cut since midnight last night, will be to cut off their nose to spite their face.
Revenues will plunge, deficits will get higher and BHO will be able to say…It is the GOP’s fault for NOT CUTTING TAXES!!!. I will just puke when I hear that.
God help us.
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stopprintn
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:09pmObama owns the ecconomy now, up his!
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whatsallthisthen
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:14pmAbsolutely Mr. Beach… the repugnants are idiots. Mc Conman in the senate mr weeper of the house are examples of how lame the party leaders represent the people that elected them. The republican party is nothing but a deal making entity. Answer any republican request for donations with a DO NOT CONTACT AGAIN. Let them know by hitting the wallet hard. Change registration to ind., libratarian, constitutionalist, anything but repugnant. Jeff Miller Rep district 1 of FL is my so called rep. who votes the party line. Unfortunately nobody has enough money to run against him and the party sure gives him plenty.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:18pm@BEACHMASTERMAX
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:58pm
No crap we have a spending problem. How is letting the Bush tax rates expire (actually they already have) across the board help that? That will actually cause REVENUES to go down and increase the deficit.
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Mind you this is just my personal opinion —–
Enough with the Frankenstein band-aid stinky “fixes” in the middle of the night.
Enough with the hocus-pocus voodoo mathematical fairy tale “solutions”.
Let the whole thing tank. The House should refuse this dung heap.
There needs to be MASSIVE pain and the Kenyan Boy-King and his Progressive cult
need to wear it around their necks.
If the markets and the dollar crash it will be a blessing in disguise. The parasites will
be cut off and have to fend for themselves and all the garbage in the system will be
flushed out. We may even have a civil war — an opportunity to erase 100 years of
Progressive garbage.
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greywolfrs
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:42pmTo bodybag:
There is a civil war coming. When the system collapses under the unsustainable debt and deficits, the people who no longer have food, a place to live or anything else for that matter will start it. At the rate the government is spending money, the question is no longer “IF” but “WHEN.”
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:55pmThis deal is worse than dead fish. It smells like Kathy Griffin.
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:00pm@Beachmastermax
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:25pm
If the house votes this down, I can see the headlines tommorrow: “House Republicans vote down middle class TAX CUT!”
How does the GOP get into the position of saying…”If you don’t lower spending we are going to vote to RAISE taxes on 98% of the people!!!!”
Truely idiots.
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And if the house accepts it the headline will read, “obama wins, boehner turns to dems to overcome tea party hostility!
If you depend on headlines, you might as well crawl into a corner with a 6,(no) 12 pack(no as much liquor as can be bought til the money runs out) and just watch the country disappear into the communist utopia until either the muslims start beheading the communists, or someone spots you and lights go out as off goes your head just prior to….
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:23pm.
Save America Lynch a Politician, or at least throw them off a cliff…………
This is the new normal, there are just not enough of us left to overcome the Free Lunch Slaves……
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Female
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:35pmWell, throwing them over the cliff might be harsh…how about just dangling them over the cliff for about 6 months, then robbing 40% of their estate?
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:36pmThe muslim in chief think’s it’s a done deal.http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/01/white-house-declares-victory-in-fiscal-cliff-fight-before-house-votes-on-measure/#disqus_thread Somebody is heading to the golf course today…
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Flashydave
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:23pmRoll back spending to the 1998 levels. Seems I recall those weren’t too bad a time. I have a paper from 1994 when the national debt was below 6 trillion and there was an article by Walter Williams about secession then if the debt exceeded 6 trillion. We need to have some Tea Party Rallies everywhere to show these people that we are the bosses. Nothing else will make any difference. If Americans accept the principle that attorneys are corrupt self serving individuals, what does that say about politicians who are almost 90% attorneys?
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:08pm@Flashydave
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:23pm
Roll back spending to the 1998 levels. Seems I recall those weren’t too bad a time. I have a paper from 1994 when the national debt was below 6 trillion and there was an article by Walter Williams about secession then if the debt exceeded 6 trillion. We need to have some Tea Party Rallies everywhere to show these people that we are the bosses. Nothing else will make any difference. If Americans accept the principle that attorneys are corrupt self serving individuals, what does that say about politicians who are almost 90% attorneys?
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I got an alert from Tea Party Patriots, they’re planning a big “March on Washington in March” but since my finances no longer permit me to consider it, I just filed without paying attention to the date. Check their web site out, it adds .com.
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:21pmThe Senate is a different story. Senators can hide behind a Statewide election.
435 Congressmen and Woman were elected by districts THEY were ELECTED to REPRESENT.
It is immaterial what obama, and Senators want if it is so far out of wack that people across America don’t want it.
THAT is why we have a House of Representatives, closer to the people. 235 of these Districts did NOT vote for the crappp obama is selling. None of the 435 ran on what obama is selling. More Spending/
All who ran on “Increased spending” arise and be counted. 435:1 We took that vote- It was called an ELECTION
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taintso
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:32pmRepeal the 17th and close the SenateMart. Give it back to the states.
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:51pmThat’s not how you spell Gandhi.
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Fubared
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:42pmYes it is, look at it Chetty. That is exactly how Ghandi Was a Repub spells it. Dumb and blind?
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Mr.Fitnah
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:19pmMy taxes will increase about 12,000 $ from 108,000 to over 120,000.
This will be the only year I make this kind of money unless I win the lottery .
A once in a lifetime windfall 7 years in the making.
The Government should have to prove two things before it gets to spend any money
1 It is Constitutional
2 Is it part of the governments obligation outlined in the Constitution .
Frog porn drug habits studies are a waste of taxpayer money (Slavery)
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bobfrommosinee
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:16pmExcuse Me, But according to Our Constitution, all spending Bills must originate in the House and then be sent up to the Senate, The Senate cannot originate any spending, It must by Constitution only act when a Bill is sent up to them from the House.
This is absolutely Bassackwards to the Intent, meaning and law that is the Constitution of the United States.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:20pmQuite so Bob. Here’s the thing though.
They don’t care, and they know you’ll do nothing about it. They flaunt their lawlessness in your face, because they know, again, that you’ll do nothing about it.
This is what lawlessness looks like. They don’t live under the rules we put out for them, and they know we’ll just gripe a bit and go back into our slumber.
Now me personally, I strongly advise getting into the grey/black markets and simply start trading/dealing outside of their rigged game of death and misery. But that’s just my thoughts on the matter.
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MDECKER
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:24pmIt is also Law that the Senate have a budget. These people in Congress are disgusting!
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:26pmExactly, once again Reid and Obama have made the Constitution null and void, this is setting an series of precedents I envision them using to bypass the House completely in time. Remember, Obama cares not one whit for the Constitution unless he can bend it to his agenda.
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joey g
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:39pmthey do not care what the const says…they do as they wish….sob’s
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:41pmSorry snow but it’s not just ried and obama. It’s everyone up their. No one follow’s the Constitution anymore and hasn’t for decades….
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Letthebulletsfly
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:56pmCivil war. Exactly right. I believe it was our weeper of the house who insisted that the senate craft a bill and send it to the house. We’re all screwed because they’re all screwed.
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Al J Zira
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:20pmGHOSTOFJEFF: I read all the time on this site that something needs to be done. Let me ask; what is it we should do?
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SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:15pmWith Boehner in charge,we would have been better off losing the house of reps.in 2010……small trivial things caused by the republicans are being blamed for the massive liberal failing ideas but the only one with any power to tell this to the people…Boehner…..only makes an appearance when it is time to play the role of a fool….He did a great job of it back during the last debt ceiling debate and he has outdid himself now during the fiscal cliff debate.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:15pmAnd the oldest profession in the world continues.
Oh wait a minute that’s prostitution.
Well I guess it’s the same thing accept politician suck even better.
After further thought I want to apologize to any prostitutes out there.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:18pmTechnically speaking, prostitution can’t be the oldest profession in the world, since a “John” would have to have some kind of economic commodity to barter/trade for the prostitute’s services.
Yes, I’m being pedantic. :) Happy new year!
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:30pmHi OldSurfRat,
The word RJJ was looking for is doc-u-muent or any word with c-u-m in it like inc-u-mbent.
You have to use spaces or dashes or your post never even make it to the moderators.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:40pmThanks Monk. Still not sure what phrase / word triggered it but no biggie. Just another day running my mouth.
Gost
You got me there and Happy New Year to you.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:45pmHey Gost
After further consideration of my younger years I might have to change my answer.
A guy would go as far as to make up work or a job and a barter system just to get sex (:
Whch came first the chicken or the egg?? LOL
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OldSurfRat
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:47pmSorry missed the “H” both times so now you are known as GOST LOL!!!
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sbenard
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:08pmThis is an outrage!
Economist John Hussman Ph.D. points out that there are constitutional issues with this. The Constitution requires that ALL budget bills be initiated by the House, not the Senate.
But since when have these people cared about what the Constitution says?
$41 of tax increases for every $1 of spending cuts. Some “deal”! More like a RAW DEAL!
I recommend everyone read the excellent editorial on The Blaze by Scott Powell. The so-called “fiscal cliff” is just a distraction from the real cliff — our national debt! Either a collapse in the bond markets and skyrocketing interest rates, or a hyperinflationary depression is in the cards. Plan and prepare accordingly!
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:01pmFor ever $1 in pretend “cut” (in the increase of spending I mean, not a real cut), we get $41 of new taxes, which sadly, are far too real.
Way to go GOP, you sure compromised the living hell out of what little we have left out here, outside the beltway.
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Female
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:18pmWould be great if the house just flipped the numbers to $41 of spending cuts for every $1 of new taxes. I would recommend they start with the O’s family spendng of $1.4 bil for 2012, then just “move on” down the government chain of command of elected officials (note not true servants such as military).
It would save the face of the GOP for voting in taxes?
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CANDLEMAKER
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:00pmVote it down!!!! Stop the spending NOW!!!!!!
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circleDwagons
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:14pmVote present.
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gcsky
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:00pmThis deal is bad for the country. If the House Republicans vote it in then what does the Republican Party stand for? Might as well start a new party with those who have principles.
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FANGS
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:57pmLooks like the Tea Party may have to get to Washington on a moments notice and Start the Protesting. Chaos is what they want. Chaos is what these terrorists will get.
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Southernsoul
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:21pmExactly. These people need a taste of their own medicine. The TEA Party needs to be just as loud and vocal as all of their liberal groups. This being ‘above it’ is getting us nowhere because we are not dealing with reasonable people. When your solution to a spending problem is to get more money to spend you aren’t dealing with reality.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:27pmWouldn’t it be interesting, *hypothetically speaking*, if a group of armed middle America types, say oh 250,000+, showed up armed and loaded for a protest while these animals weren’t in session? Talk about showing them exactly who has the power and who doesn’t, and cops/guard would be powerless to stop it. Just hypothetically speaking of course, dreaming out loud as it were.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:32pmAye, being “nice” and “civil” is getting us jack squat. It really is time to turn it up a couple of notches. I’m game if others are. We can organize it, if y’all want, over at my site (you’ll need to sign up for the discussion forum, then once you have that you can see a subforum devoted to organizations and events).
http://www.patriotsdonotcomply.com (main site)
http://www.patriotsdonotcomply.com/forum (discussion forum)
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:34pmMeant to say “were in session” and the location would be “Washington D.C.”
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Glennda
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:54pmGHOST . . So sad to witness your slow (yet inexorable) slide into right wing hysteria.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:11pmGlenda, explain.
Libertarians are not against what I said, and leftists practically titter with joy when discussing such matters.
We’re officially 16.4 T in debt, and ten times that amount if you include unfunded liabilities (and you should). What do you suggest…a harshly worded petition?
I don’t post to please others, I post my thoughts and libertarian principles. It’s all I can do.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:40pmThis is what I anticipate: House Republicans will pass it. Certain ones will abstain or object. Then the Tea Party people will ROAR back in 2014. Now: All you Ron Paul people and Evangelicals JOIN THEM in 2014 and vote OUT everyone! Get off your couches, arses, put your Bible down for one day, get OUT of the Prayer Closet, cause Jesus expects you to FIGHT and RUN your race. So, RUN to the polls and put in some NEW TEA PARTY people and if you are young then GET IN THE GAME! Cause we got too many people sitting on the sidelines doing NOTHING. And NOTHING is what you are gonna get! GEt in there and FIGHT!
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Ar-shooter
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:56pmWell that’s it, I officially stop paying taxes at midnight, January 31st 2012…..
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:10pmTax evasion is against the law. They may put you in jail.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:21pmWhat if we got 10% of the country to do it though. There’s not enough jail space can be made, especially if we refuse to do any other “sentence” for getting out of their rigged game.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:33pm@GHOST
Recommend voting in more TEA partiers to Congress. Repubs look like they just do not want to be dubbed the “Bad Guys” to me.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:01pmIt’s a sad day when you fear your own government. I said this before people are affraid of the IRS and loseing what they have. So just what was the 2nd Amendment for please explain? So how did that voteing thing turn out last time? Last 18 years i’ve worked under the wire. I only pay taxes threw my transactions. I stoped complying years ago……
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Glennda
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:56pm1776 . . . Sorry, but the Tea Party is dead. We;re just letting the corpse rot in public so real American patriots recognize its stench for the evil it represents.
Fubared
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:25pmGlennda knows stench. Doesn’t know TEA, but it does know stench.
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:23pm@GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:21pm
What if we got 10% of the country to do it though. There’s not enough jail space can be made, especially if we refuse to do any other “sentence” for getting out of their rigged game
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Google Fema Camps, then add Indiana to that search, they run out of space in other Fema Camps, that ones already set up with a gas chamber with a railroad spur running through it. (To dry paint on the railroad cars?) WHO SAYS THEY’LL RUN OUT OF JAIL SPACE?
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 8:07pm@Glennda
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 3:56pm
1776 . . . Sorry, but the Tea Party is dead. We;re just letting the corpse rot in public so real American patriots recognize its stench for the evil it represents.
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Sorry, you must have missed this weeks headlines all over the net: “Stories of the Tea Party’s Demise Premature” and “Tea Party Holding Republican Leadership Hostage” how about, “Will Tea Party Caucus Destroy the Republican Party”. Hate to inform you, just because you didn’t see the marches in headlines didn’t mean we weren’t working, Ask Ted Cruz in TX, or the Gov, and still in power State Senators and Representatives in WI, plus a whole lot of other states.
And…what’s evil about people wanting to keep what they’ve labored long hard hours for? Do we all file into your kitchen after you’ve cooked a meal for your family and eat it? How about as soon as your lawn is mowed, and landscaped we’ll come hold a backyard barbecue there? Nothing wrong since you don’t believe in private property right? That would be evil!
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Glennda
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 10:34pmNIL MOM . . . “Tea Party Holding Republican Leadership Hostage”
You were saying?
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:53pmThat poor old can is sure getting a lot of dents in it.
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FANGS
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:52pm15 billion in spending cuts? Once again this proves the Democrats aren’t serious and democrats want higher taxes on everyone. Genocide the whole bunch, they’re committing economic terrorism.
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layosh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:51pmAll the huppla about the fiscal cliff if just that. To raise taxed on those who have decent income has no effect on the budget and the overspending will take care of it anyway since it will increase the inflation.
The inflation is nothing but the automatic taxation of everyone.
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1776freedomofspeech
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:58pmObama just wants to say he stuck it to the rich is all. He knows it is all symbolism and no substance.
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Joss
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:48pmMy favorite outcome is that JB fumbles this and Ryan gets the speaker’s job.
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kryptonite
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:18pmI can think up several scenarios, but my favorite outcome is always that Barack loses his job. :)
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LongRange
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:52pmI agree, maybe Articles of Impeachment would even have a chance then…
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 8:27pm@Joss
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:48pm
My favorite outcome is that JB fumbles this and Ryan gets the speaker’s job
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A lot of us praying that’s the outcome whether jb fumbles or they carry him across the finish line. Then with a speaker who’s not afraid of b o and the new members to the Tea Party Caucas, maybe the House can grab back those purse strings and start saying no to those who have their funnels set up beneath it.
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SmellyDog
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:47pmIs he walking through the halls whistling? Really???? Just another day at the office!
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:13pmHe sure is. Him and his three armed body guards. That is the only way these guys can survive. They know that without Uzi packing protection, they would swing. So, they whistle.
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Beachmastermax
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:46pmThe way I look at it, our taxes all adjusted up at midnight this morning. The house, in voting for this, is therefore, voting for a tax decrease on 98% of us.
This is now officially a tax CUT vote.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:46pmVote it down boys and girls. It doesn’t have any spending cuts. It raises taxes. Axe the awful thing or come 2014 the American people are going to axe your jobs in congress.
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barber2
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:49pmAgree. STOP SPENDING. They just don’t get the message….
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Gregb
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:54pmAgreed!… This bill sounds like a joke. no spending cuts, only bully taxes on small business owners. The costs will trickle down with higher costs for products and more jobs lost.
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gyro
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:58pmthis
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Hotconchick
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 1:02pmThey will be axed anyway with another stolen election.
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 2:11pmDoes anyone have a link that works so I can read the Bill that the Senate passed?
http://democrats.senate.gov/2013/01/01/senate-floor-wrap-up-for-legislative-day-december-31-2012/
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Gregb
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:33pmThe Full Text Of The Senate-Passed Fiscal Cliff Deal
Sec. 802. No cost of living adjustment in pay of members of congress.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr8eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr8eas.pdf
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/full-text-of-senate-passed-fiscal-cliff-deal
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The-Monk
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 4:37pmThanks Gregb….. : )
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Sharon Rose
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:43pmI thought we elected these people to represent us, not make behind closed doors bad deals.
No matter what they give this president, he will want more.
Stand your ground and think of the American people.
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barber2
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 12:52pmThis president is a Chicago radical: destroying American capitalism is their goal. How ? Keep spending: wins you votes and destroys the economy. A radical ” match made in hell ! “
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 7:45pmThe American People have only just begun to fight. When these states sent these TEa Party people up into Congress they tried to do something but Boehner kicked them off the fiscal committee, didn’t he? What does that tell you about 2014 or when Boehner in Ohio comes up for re election? It tells all you people in Ohio that Boehner has to go, right? So, right now, Tea Party people get busy! Start replacing every Republican in Congress who is not truly a fiscal conservative. Right now. Get rid of them. Evangelicals and Ron Paul people get under the umbrella of these Tea Party people cause they are getting RESULTS. Unify. Get every Republican OUT of Congress with a Tea Party Republican who does not hold to the fiscal responsibility they were voted in for. Boehner is no good now. Get him out!
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