
VP Biden arrives for a closed-door meeting with House Dems
Credit: AP
WASHINGTON (AP) — Emergency legislation to avoid the economy-threatening fiscal cliff ran into vehement New Year’s Day opposition from House Republicans, casting doubt on the divided government’s ability to prevent widespread tax increases and painful, across-the-board federal spending cuts.
“I do not support the bill. We are looking, though, for the best path forward,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., declared after a closed-door meeting of his party’s rank and file.
While Speaker John Boehner took no public position, an attempt to add spending cuts was all but certain before the leadership called for a final House vote on the measure that cleared the Senate hours earlier in a pre-dawn vote of 89-8.
Any change in the legislation would require the Senate to re-pass the measure before it could go to President Barack Obama for his signature, and his aides met at the White House to review the bill’s prospects.
There was no immediate response to the House Republicans from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., or from Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader who negotiated the final bill with Vice President Joe Biden.
It wasn’t the first time that the tea party-infused House Republican majority has rebelled against the party establishment since the GOP took control of the chamber 24 months ago. But with the two-year term set to end Thursday at noon, it was likely the last. And as was true in earlier cases of a threatened default and government shutdown, the brinkmanship came on a matter of economic urgency, leaving the party open to a public backlash if tax increases do take effect on tens of millions.
Economists have warned that without action by Congress, the tax increases and spending cuts that technically took effect with the turn of the new year at midnight could send the economy into recession.
The Senate-passed bill was designed to prevent that while providing for tax increases at upper incomes, as Obama campaigned for in his successful bid for a second term.
It would also prevent an expiration of extended unemployment benefits for an estimated two million jobless, block a 27 percent cut in fees for doctors who treat Medicare patients, stop a $900 pay increase for lawmakers from taking effect in March and head off a threatened spike in milk prices.
At the same time, it would stop $24 billion in spending cuts set to take effect over the next two months, although only about half of that total would be offset with spending reductions elsewhere in the budget.
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said the measure would add nearly $4 trillion over a decade to federal deficits, a calculation that assumed taxes would otherwise have risen on taxpayers at all income levels. There was little or no evident concern among Republicans on that point, presumably because of their belief that tax cuts pay for themselves by expanding economic growth and do not cause deficits to rise.
The relative paucity of spending cuts was a sticking point with many House Republicans. Among other items, the extension of unemployment benefits costs $30 billion, and is not offset by savings elsewhere.
“I personally hate it,” said Rep. John Campbell of California. “The speaker the day after the election said we would give on taxes and we have. But we wanted spending cuts. This bill has spending increases. Are you kidding me? So we get tax increases and spending increases? Come on.”
Others said unhappiness over spending outweighed fears that the financial markets will plunge on Wednesday if the fiscal cliff hasn’t been averted.
“There’s a concern about the markets, but there’s a bigger concern, which is getting this right, which is something we haven’t been very good at over the past two years,” said Rep. Steve LaTourette of Ohio.
House Democrats met privately with Biden for their review of the measure, and the party’s leader, Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, said afterward that Boehner should permit a vote.
“That is what we expect. That is what the American people deserve,” she said.
For all the struggle involved in the legislation, even its passage would merely clear the way for another round of controversy almost as soon as the new Congress convenes.
With the Treasury expected to need an expansion in borrowing authority by early spring, and funding authority for most government programs set to expire in late March, Republicans have made it clear they intend to use those events as leverage with the administration to win savings from Medicare and other government benefit programs.
McConnell said as much moments before the 2 a.m. Tuesday vote in the Senate – two hours after the advertised “cliff” deadline.
“We’ve taken care of the revenue side of this debate. Now it’s time to get serious about reducing Washington’s out-of-control spending,” he said. “That’s a debate the American people want. It’s the debate we’ll have next. And it’s a debate Republicans are ready for.”
The 89-8 vote in the Senate was unexpectedly lopsided.
Despite grumbling from liberals that Obama had given way too much in the bargaining, only two Democrats opposed the measure.
Among the Republican supporters were Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, an ardent opponent of tax increases, as well as Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, elected to his seat two years ago with tea party support.
It marked the first time in two decades that Republicans willingly supported higher taxes, in this case on incomes over $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for couples. Taxes also would rise on estates greater than $5 million in size, and on capital gains and dividend income made by the wealthy.
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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor, Larry Margasak and Julie Pace contributed to this story.





















































































































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GlennDuh
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:52pmHow about $10 in cuts for every $1 in taxes? No? Hmm . . . .
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The-Monk
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:58pmNice try Wango…. : (
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GhostOfJefferson
Jan. 1, 2013 at 7:15pmHe about ANY net cuts, at all? This *thing* puts us another 330 billion in debt, after cuts and taxes are combined for a net result, according to the CBO.
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civilwarcometh
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:15pmI think the GOP is working with the dems. The bill started in the senate then they sent it to the house knowing the tea party group wouldn’t go for it. This is a setup…..
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Mil Mom
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:49pm@civilwarcometh
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 8:15pm
I think the GOP is working with the dems. The bill started in the senate then they sent it to the house knowing the tea party group wouldn’t go for it. This is a setup….
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You are sooooo right, may it be known as boehner’s Last Stand, and may eric cantor et al remember the fiscal cliff as well as Americans used to remember “Little Big-Horn”. It’s what happens when the “Leadership” think they don’t have to listen to common sense.
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Walkabout
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:50pmThe Chinese have a saying. Rich country, strong defense.
The opposite would be a weak country, weak defense.
We definitely need more cuts. We need enough cuts until we have a surplus. Even $10 billion so that we can start paying down the debt.
Too bad we can’t recall Glenda because his or her contract is up a few years ago.
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Jim S
Jan. 1, 2013 at 10:12pm..spending and taxes are going up…the Republicans could have raised taxes and cut spending..they have chosen not to…say what you will but the Ds stick to their guns,hehe, and don’t bend..Rs have no standards ….and that’s why they keep losing,we can’t believe them…Obama does what he says he will…if we ever want to win,STAND for SOMETHING…
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Walkabout
Jan. 1, 2013 at 10:45pmJim S
You are right. the Republicans spent too much during Bush’s terms.
They used Medicare part D to buy the votes of Seniors 7 win Florida. I wonder if they could have without handing out the candy.
Yes drugs are high. But the drugs they worry about being expensive during 2000 to 2004 are all going to come off patent by the end of this decade. So for a generation drugs that prolong your life are expensive. Well not even that long., It is time form filing, which is before it hits the market. So it less than 20 years.
Patents expire 20 years from the date of filing. Many other factors can affect the duration of a patent.
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/ucm079031.htm
But Republican overspent in other ways too, the usual, pork.
Still the Democrats offer a great deal, a 1 party oligarchy with an overlay or facade of socialism.
Subsistence for the obama-hone voters, & middle classhood for the unions that keep everyone in line & present a veneer of democracy (i.e the new apparatchiks). Even neo-oligarchs need lackeys.
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RJJinGadsden
Jan. 2, 2013 at 7:27amGLENNDUH, LOL, that fits quite well, but WANGO/PANTS, I still like my suggestion for a name change better.
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Kregneva
Jan. 2, 2013 at 8:01pmWalkabout, is an Aussie Team – the 2nd shift appears to be a girly girl – if you get my drift, a transplanted Celt with a passion for speakin’ gaylick – if you can mouth that- lips to lips. Anyway- an hour ago “wankRoboto” began to spell better but use clipped expressions – that are in line with “marketing workflows exhibited by US citizens” assigned to conservative UK advertisers.
Walkabout team does not care if you end up on a Secret Service “interest” list.
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dublinthewagons
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:49pmAnyone that votes for this spending increase needs to be put in government housing. “PRISON”
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Gregb
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:34pmI have great respect for senators Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Richard Shelby – they voted NO!
The Full Text Of The Senate-Passed Fiscal Cliff Deal
Sec. 802. No cost of living adjustment in pay of members of congress.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr8eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr8eas.pdf
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/full-text-of-senate-passed-fiscal-cliff-deal
Boehner will prove his worthiness soon. I like his plan to take a test vote on adding spending amendments and if it won’t pass, then put it out for an up or down vote.
I like the fact that this bill makes the Bush tax cuts permanent, but hate the increase in spending.
I hope that the House votes to add the spending cuts amendments
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OlefromMN
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:42pmThis says it all…”Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the
following:”
They took a passed House bill, gutted it, and made it their own. Never trust Harry Reid nor any politician.
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wordsofwisdom
Jan. 1, 2013 at 7:02pmI agree! But that would spoil the plan for screwing us again at the last minute & call it what we deserve. Sure we do I love getting screwed by the congress & BOBama! “The Devils Song” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10789987
Is what I hear coming out of their mouths.
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ree758
Jan. 1, 2013 at 7:13pmAn investigation into get out the fraud would end all this
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Gregb
Jan. 1, 2013 at 7:58pmand the investigation would be handled by…the senate?
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Mil Mom
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:56pm@OlefromMN
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:42pm
This says it all…”Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the
following:”
They took a passed House bill, gutted it, and made it their own. Never trust Harry Reid nor any politician.
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Most be “Hahvahd” graduates, right? Depends on what the meaning of the word “Is” is. Let’s send in Roto Rooter and give DC a big flush if boehner stays in power Jan. 3.
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Brother Winston Smith
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:34pmHad enough yet?
Really?
Is this lawless republican/democrat abuse FINALLY the last straw?
Has the giggling republican/democrat pimp FINALLY put his cigarette out on you, one too many times?
The Constitution Party.
The Libertarian Party.
State nullification.
NOW!!!!!
STAND UP! GET OFF OF YOUR KNEES!!!!!!!!!!
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OlefromMN
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:28pmI have yet to hear ONE politician to state clearly how $600B in “revenues” (not realized and subject to variables) will offset $12T (do the math) of deficits.
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dnewton
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:47pmIt would take over a hundred years at 5% interest to pay the principal off. The whole amount would have to be dedicated to debt service for the next 100+ years.
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OlefromMN
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:03pm@dnewton,
Re-check your math. It is twice that assuming everything resets to zero.
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Glennda
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:24pmHow about $10 in cuts for every $1 in taxes? No? Hmm . . .
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Mr. Smarty
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:06pmI don’t know what gender you are on the outside but inside you are the worst type of female, a whining, shrieking, mouthy b**ch.
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Walkabout
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:46pmGlenda
I can just see you getting marked a 0, 1 or 2 on 5 point scale, when marked for how you work with people.
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RJJinGadsden
Jan. 2, 2013 at 7:31amWALKABOUT, There was a line in M*A*S*H where COL Blake was discussing a personnel report with Frank Burns. Threatened to put “Doesn’t play well with others” in his file.
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NoMoMrNiceGuy
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:21pmFasten your seat belt and drive over the edge ! – It worked for Thelma and Louise. As good of drama and stage play as this farce is.
Let it all fall apart – the strong will survive !
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dublinthewagons
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:47pmTake the 89 lame polititans that voted for the deal in senate’s homes by way of eminent domain and sell them at public auction. Sell air force one, the two busses and limos of the presidents. Take away their retirement.
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flyingfox88
Jan. 1, 2013 at 7:43pmAgree. If the American people want big government. let them pay for it. I have never seen an issue so shamefully hyped to the public as this “fiscal cliff” crap. The media has been bunting this BS along, suggesting that if we go over the “cliff”, the end of the world is near. We’ll “slip back into recession?” Last time I looked, we’ve been in recession since 2008. Taxes are going up on the middle-class? Most of the middle-class pays little if any income tax. Those nasty “wealthy” people pay over 40% of the taxes. At least if we go over the cliff, we’ll get SOME spending cuts. Don’t be surprised if going over the cliff is not as horrendous as predicted.
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high school drop out
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:12pmAs my father was fond of saying,”you have to pick your battles” This one sadly, was lost from the start however, The debt ceiling debate may the chance to turn the tide because the administation cant frame it a postive light for them ( the cliff is framed as the GOP protecting the rich) but the debt is something they cant spin nor blame Repubs (They will try but the old “George Bush” line wont wash anymore!) most Americans see our debt as destructive and any increased spending will be unpopular…So, my advice is …save your ammo GOP save the fight for one we can win….and win we will!!
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YAHSHUARULES
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:24pmHere is one everyone who wants to save America better join:
https://vimeo.com/52009124
If America goes down, the free world will go down with it and it will be finished for a very, very long time…
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Glennda
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:38pmYASHUAFOOL . . .I tried to watch that mindless drivel you’ve been paid to hawk here. It is literally incomprehensible – no research, no scholarship, no specific point of view or philosophical base – nothing. Just a relentless parade of one phony intellectual after another droning on and on about vague conspiracy theories that don’t even rise to the need to be debunked. They just don’t deserve anybody’s attention. Why are you embarrassing yourself and Jesus with this nonsense?
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Mr. Smarty
Jan. 1, 2013 at 7:54pmThe video link here: https://vimeo.com/52009124 is the most comprehensive and professionally done report about the history of leftist/progressive/socialist/democrats and how the culmination of their plans and efforts has produced the government of today. Nothing has ever been made like that video. I encourage all who are concerned about their country to view it. I am writing this in response to the comment left by a certain evil commenter who evidently worships thieves. liars, and destroyers of liberty. The video even explains the genesis of the comments made by GLENNDA. The GLENNDA types are beyond being brainwashed. They are controlled by the same unseen forces that have driven this country to the brink of destruction.
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Mil Mom
Jan. 1, 2013 at 9:04pm@Glennda
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 6:38pm
YASHUAFOOL . . .I tried to watch that mindless drivel you’ve been paid to hawk here. It is literally incomprehensible – no research, no scholarship, no specific point of view or philosophical base – nothing. Just a relentless parade of one phony intellectual after another droning on and on about vague conspiracy theories that don’t even rise to the need to be debunked. They just don’t deserve anybody’s attention. Why are you embarrassing yourself and Jesus with this nonsense?
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Glenda, Media Matters called, soros cancelled your contract to pay for obamacare for those who actually get some sort of results from their antaganizations. Sorry, we just got too used to gnats on the blaze, we’ll bring out the cow tails to swish you away soon.
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Glennda
Jan. 1, 2013 at 9:55pmNIL MOM . . .Oh look, Mom got her hands on a joke and now wants to tell it over and over. Good for you. It’s a vast improvement over the self righteous indignation and overblown ego that define your other posts. Stick with it. That’s what the Koch Brothers pay you for, among other things.
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Glennda
Jan. 1, 2013 at 9:56pmMS SMARMY . . . Draft off me. It’s a lot easier tan thinking for yourself.
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BORNINTOAWORLDATWAR
Jan. 1, 2013 at 11:28pmgLENNdA
You remind me of someone who used to show up here, pull their head out of their … spew some liberal cr ap then hide their head again until next time.
Go away, I hear your momma calling. What an id iot.
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watashbuddyfriend
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:08pmOk, lets cut $3 of spending for each $1 of revenue!
Poster, when was the last time you contacted YOUR 3-congresspersons about the Debt? Just posting here does not get it done!
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DadRocked
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:16pmRegularly and am on their email list…
They love to send mailings and to keep their names in front of us…
Just so they know where I stand, I only use my REAGAN.COM email account for such subscriptions.
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The-Monk
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:32pm@watashbuddyfriend
“Ok, lets cut $3 of spending for each $1 of revenue!”
That’s what the Dem’s promised Reagan; we got the $1 tax and none of the $3 cuts.
I call mine and get e-mail news from them. None of it seems to matter though. I called a bunch of Congressmen when the Obama Jobs Act came out and I found out what was on page 133…. no one in Congress ever mentioned it in public.
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Gregb
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:43pmI heard that this bill cuts $1 for every $41.00 of spending. This bill actually adds spending
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The-Monk
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:54pmHi Gregb,
I haven’t seen that. Do you have a link?
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Wiley41
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:55pmI just wanted to stand up a let these kids have it. Let them know that the callers were their constituents and there punk attitudes needed to get straight.
I didn’t because I still wanted to have my meeting and argue my case. Plus while I run a business and much autonomy for it locally, sure Corporate would fire me for making waves
This is the problem. Congressman, politicians, all of the DC wonks form interns to Presidnet think they are nobility, above all of us peons. Even these low level punks illustrated.
DC has forgotten that this a republic which power is should be revived from the People.
Sadly we would be better off if DC disappeared a la Bringadoon
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Wiley41
Jan. 1, 2013 at 7:00pmHuh? You only posted my second half so it makes no sense without the first half post
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Walkabout
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:56pmThe Monk
Greg B got that a little garbled
There are $1 in spending cuts for every $41 in revenue .tax increases. Meaning that it does not do much about closing the budget deficit. In fact it is about as significant as a rounding error.
Which is why we need pitchforks or 2014 can’t get here soon enough.
Fiscal Cliff Deal: $1 in Spending Cuts for Every $41 in Tax Increases
by Matthew Boyle 31 Dec 2012 Breitbart.com
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cemerius
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:01pmZombies are in Washington DC………..Tea Party holds the sanity cards!! Let’s all go over this cliff NOW while I am still young!!! Let the politicians get fed the crap they have been feeding us for the past 100 years!!!
Who is John Galt?
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whatsallthisthen
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:01pmI for one know any deal Biden likes is bad. The deal sounds like lets keep on spending, raise taxes on wealthy job creators, thereby shrinking revenue, and “promise” to work on all this in a few months. WOW are these senators great or what? If the house even considers this seriously they’ve proven how stupid and gullible they are.
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BlackCrow
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:01pm41 dollars in taxes for every dollar in cuts and some of the Communists don’t think its enough? Odummer wants more taxes before spending cuts? Talk about math challenged! With a debt to GDP ratio of 1 to 1 it is impossible to make any forward progress without massive spending cuts.
This is broken beyond repair. Receivership at this point would seem like a reasonable solution.
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chips1
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:26pmIt sure would be nice if all of the stores closed the week before taxes are due. We deserve the time to figure out our paperwork and party. Toga!!! Toga!!!! Toga!!!!
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dnewton
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:39pmWho would be the receiver? The UN, World Bank, SEIU
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The-Monk
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:57pmHarry Reid in on the Senate floor, all by himself, passing Presidential nominations without anyone there to object. He ‘s talking a mile a minute….. like he’s afraid of being stopped.
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dublinthewagons
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:52pmThey have changed his rectal Obama batteries and put in new fresh ones.
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Micmac
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:53pmI have my parachute on. Tying in estate taxes, stopping the 24 billion on spending cuts, etc., is a no go IMHO.
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The-Monk
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:53pmWhy is this happening on Jan 1st?
I thought that the Federal Gov ran everything from Oct 1st to Sept 30th.
Harry Pelosi is back on the Senate floor…..
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cemerius
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:05pmIt’s all part of their rush it through while the “lame duck” is in full affect…..SAME atmosphere when they shoved Obama “care” down our collective throats too…..
Who is John Galt?
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CatB
Jan. 1, 2013 at 8:31pm@MONK … they haven’t passed a budget in 4 years >>>> why don’t they haul off Reid to the pokey for contempt?
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Mil-Dot
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:52pmYeah, they want 3 dollars for every 41 dollars in tax increases. I am done with the Gops.
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IMCHRISTIAN
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:51pmI am sure they could find other cuts besides doctors cuts, military and milk. It just gives excuses for the Democrats to blame the worst way possible on to Republicans. Good going Mr. President as you made the bad investments and the elderly loses services,military loses pay and who keeps us safe and kids that need milk and do without. People worked hard for estates and can’t pass on without a huge tax. He wants to be a real socialist and wants to ruin the Country but does not want to share the blame.
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chips1
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:51pmAny Congressman that signs the bill without cutting mucho spending, had better look for another job. This Obama crap stops with this administration. Prosecute them and Sheriff Joe can serve them balogna sandwiches.
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stealthman
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:10pmCongressmen don’t sign bills. They are supposed to write bills.
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Mil Mom
Jan. 1, 2013 at 9:13pm@chips1
Posted on January 1, 2013 at 5:51pm
Any Congressman that signs the bill without cutting mucho spending, had better look for another job. This Obama crap stops with this administration. Prosecute them and Sheriff Joe can serve them balogna sandwiches.
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But the guys would enjoy the pink undies too much and I would imagine they’d have to call in the National Guard to put them on the gals.
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DadRocked
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:45pmLook at the V.P Bite-Me caption… “VP Biden arrives for a closed-door meeting with House Dems”
Can’t they understand that that is the problem… They can’t even have transparency a meeting behind closed door meeting with bi-party but with only house dems…
Just like they did with the UNaffordable HealthCare Act.
How can you have open talks with all when you begin with suspicion of a closed door w/dem meeting.
First thought is that they were coming up with their end around attack strategy before meeting with all…
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1776freedomofspeech
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:58pm@Dad
Can you imagine if something happened to Obama? Biden would be the Prez. That is a really scary thought. Lord help us!
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DadRocked
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:13pm1776FreedomOfSpeech – I would be ok with that…
We know with a career politician like Biden what he is about… We’ve had what, 40yrs or so of him?
Oh sure he’ll want camera time and a lot of glad handling but we know who he is, what he is and what he’s about… Are you ever surprised what he says or does? Not me either…
The other rascal has a short resume, both personal and professional…
We keep speculating as to his next move…
Keep the powder drive…
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SpankDaMonkey
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:44pm.
Do these idiot’s spend every dime they have in their bank account? I wish just once someone would ask that question………
Save America Lynch a Politican and a Free Lunch Slave………..
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chips1
Jan. 1, 2013 at 6:14pmThey haven’t finished spending all of the money in YOUR bank account.
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Tri-ox
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:40pmGOP WANTS MORE SPENDING CUTS? – - – Uh, how about SOME real SPENDING CUTS?
The current bill increases spending by $330 Billion, adds $4 Trillion to the deficit and and offers only minuscule cuts.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/jan/1/deficit-fiscal-cliff-bill-actually-spends-330-bill/
Any member of Congress who votes for this bill – which raises taxes, increases spending and helps obama achieve his goal of destroying America – is committing an act of treason against the American people.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:34pmThere is only one acceptable solution:
Real and immediate and iron-clad cuts, along with lower taxation.
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dndcrazy
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:33pmThis is about spending. Tired of Dem’s yelling about not paying your fair share. This President wants to keep spending like a 5yo kid let lose in ToysRus with a unlimited credit card. How hard is that for people to see?
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civilwarcometh
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:40pmCut all you want. Unless you get rid of the 40% estates tax it’s still non starter. NO estate tax.
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stealthman
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:32pmThe House has no choice. Either they fight now, or the Republican Party becomes obsolete. The games can’t continue any more. In 60 days when the Debt ceiling vote comes due, they will simply cave again. There comes a time to put one’s foot down in one way or another.
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The-Monk
Jan. 1, 2013 at 5:32pmThanks for the update Mike O. : )
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