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‘This Is A Bad Bill That Made A Bad Situation Worse’ (Fiscal Cliff Analysis Heard On…?)
MSNBC is not exactly the place you would expect to hear agreement on this statement about the Fiscal Cliff bill that President Obama will sign into law: “This is a bad bill that made a bad situation worse.”
Image: Screen capture from MSNBC
Those were the words from Richard Haass on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” heard early on Wednesday morning. Oddly, there was virtually no disagreement with that statement. Haass, a career diplomat and the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, also went deeper on his criticism of the bill:
“You’ve got to ultimately deal with entitlements, this did nothing. You’ve got to deal with economic growth, this did nothing. The only thing it did was avoided sending a signal that we really are reckless and out of control.”
The rest of the nearly 25-minute segment also included:
- Questions about John Boehner’s chances to retain his position as House speaker (deemed very likely).
- Senator Harry Reid’s inability to accomplish anything of substance.
- Senator Mitch McConnell’s quiet statesmanship that is credited with pushing the bill through the Senate.
- And a salute to the Bush Tax Cuts, once reviled, now permanent for 99% of America.
See the full segment (the still frame shot is the same, this is the complete segment):
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@leftfighter
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:52pmMr. Haas?
Hate to disagree, but this is sending a worse signal than that we’re recklessly out of control: that one side is deliberately refusing to address life-or-death of the Republic spending problems out of blatant partisanship.
By the by… it’s been 1324 days since the Dems allowed a budget to pass. Just sayin’.
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E.Souchak
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:00pmThis is both sides implementing a plan that takes our freedom. It started a long time ago.
The truth about the Valerie Plame case. (10 years later)
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2013/01/01/the-truth-about-the-valerie-plame-case-10-years-later/
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georgette
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 6:43pmEvery time liberal members of Congress, the Cabinet , the Administration open their mouths and speak platitudes or sparkle speak ….they prove incompetence….. every time the Pres. says “I won” or “—I won’t budge” he declares it’s about him rather than this nation or its people, in my opinion.
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DZ-015
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:48pmFree (of the) Thought (process): Your numbers don’t add up, but I guess you knew that already. Obama spent $7,000,000 in taxpayer money coming to DC from his HI vacation and returning without doing anything of substance on the Fiscal Cliff front. He didn’t even stick around to sign the bill. I don’t recall GWB doing anything remotely resembling this outrageous thumb in the eye of those of us who actually pay taxes.
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Gildersleeve
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:28pmI’m no longer in the work force so essentially tax raise is moot regarding payroll etc. Nonetheless price of food keeps climbing, and gasoline went up 17cents per in the past 10 days. Heck it went up 5 cents just today. Is this a great country or what?????????!!!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@%%^&*
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perry1980
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:02pmAccidental Journalism.
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Patrick in AZ
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:40pmOf course it was a “bad bill” – it will now morph into a John Boehner/Mitch McConnell bill and eventually, maybe in 2 years, there will be new calls to reform entitlements (as this guy calls for) – only those reforms will mean, higher payroll taxes on the rich and “means testing” before actually receiving those entitlements.
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toledofan
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:46pmThis is just such a fiasco, it’s beyond words. I mean, honestly, why was this a catastrophe and why on earth are these politicans trying to undo something they did a year ago in less that a weeks time? It’s not over and as time goes on, the problems are going to get worse because now we are actually forming behavior that tells people not to work and they will be better off. At some point things will collapse and everyone will say hey what happened. But the real irony in all of this is that it clearly shows, at least to me, Obama and the Democrats arrognace and diregard for the Constitution; their attitude that America really doesn’t matter, we’re just like or should be like everyone else. What is also so absurd is the simple fact that Obama has so much hatred for a prosperious America he will do whatever it takes to take us backwards rather than forward.
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OhioRifleman
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:40pm@ Toledo Fan
No, people are not going to ask ‘what happened’. That is the estimation of someone who believes this populace is moral.
What will happen is the streets will run red with the blood of patriots and with the entrails of the taker classes. When welfare crashes, when Social Security crashes (precipitating a failure of Welfare), the takers will rise up in indignation and attack anything that moves. It will be hell on earth in the inner cities, and not likely much better out in the ‘burbs.
If you really do live in Toledo, plan on getting the hell out of Dodge when it happens. From the issuance of the last check, you will have roughly 72 hours to disappear before you become casualty to the evolving chaos. Maybe less.
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HuskerDave
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:16pmRemember when, in our lifetime, Democrats introduced – or voted for – legislation that was in the best interest of women, minorities, small business, big business, the middle class, the poor, or anybody (except union leadership)?
Nope. Me either.
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OhioRifleman
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:52pmCertainly not in my lifetime.
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HI_Don
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:39amWatched the movie “Lincoln” the other night and it provides a great depiction of just how long the Democratic Party has been out of touch…. One might concede – ALWAYS.
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americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:08pmOnly because the Progressives don’t count golf, basketball, Hollywood visits, or campaigning trips as “Vacation”! While they count working on the farm as vacation. Obama has spent his entire presidency as he did in the US Senate. “Present” He is worthless as a leader!
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Chromo200
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:51pmCan you imagine a good bill coming out congress lately or where congress does something good for the country.
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hatchetjob
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:17pmExactly, so much for “We the people”…
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barber2
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:36pmHow about a new “changed” version of the Million Man March ?! How about A Million PO’d Taxpayer’s March ?!
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rickroland
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:43pmThat would be more than a million, I would say closer to 100 plus million.
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Top_Contributor
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:43pmStop being a leach and pay your taxes.
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The_Jerk
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:58pmTop_Contributor, you’ve got it backwards. Leaches live off of others. That would be the 49% who pay no federal income tax and live off of those who do. “Stupid” is people like you, who speak without reason, fact, or logic.
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Top_Contributor
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:22pmHello, Jerk. I’m afraid you’ve got it wrong. The leach above is complaining about paying up. Yes, 49% or so do not make enough money to pay income tax. They do pay taxes though. Not everyone gets the same deductions and credits, you know? People of modest income get to take tax credits here, upper income folk take theirs elsewhere, and low income folk get their own flavor as well. The old “49% don’t pay taxes” is a tired, debunked line of propaganda.
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freenj
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:29pmCareer politicians main problem with the Country!
Term limits needed asap!
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term limits for congress
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:26pmThis will be his last appearance on any of dear leader’s media. Thou shalt not speak the old truth. Only the new truth is allowed.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:25pmIf MSNBC is declaring this to be a ‘bad bill’ then I have to wonder – is it due to the fact it does not push the economic collapse of the nation fast enough for them? Or do they see the nightmare cliff ahead in reality for once?
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Top_Contributor
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:46pmI can understand why you are confused. When you believe the strange reality of your own making, people outside your head seem to speak non sequitur. It’s just that you actually believe that this admin is trying to collapse the country. Beck is a for-profit entertainer, and you take him seriously. Good luck with that!
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Shasta
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:09pmThe left is pi$$ed about raising the bar on incomes eligible for tax increases. The liberal politicians all feel like they will be part of the elite class when the system self-destructs, and thus will not be touched. I see violence ahead. Off subject, my son was on a train leaving San Francisco when he got into an argument with a liberal female who was loudly teaching her friends how to get on the government gravy train (food stamps, welfare, section 8 etc.). Her friends we skeptical arguing that it just couldn’t really be that easy. In the end, the girl had persuaded her friends to take the same path as she.
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hatchetjob
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:20pmSNOWLEOPARD, I agree with you 100%.
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Top_Contributor
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:23pmShasta, your son sounds like a real winner with lots of time on his hands. You must be proud!
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hatchetjob
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:28pmLOW INFORMED CONTRIBUTOR, How much are you being paid to troll?
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AllTheMarbles
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 3:17pmRE: Top_Contributor comment …” Beck is a for-profit entertainer, and you take him seriously.” But NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc……are for-profit entertainment, as well……..and you, Top_Contributor, take them seriously??? Seriously?
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maxedout
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:24pmAmerica is soooooooooo screwed……..
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:22pmObama In Hawaii, Fiscal Cliff Standoff Behind Him, he’s off to vacation on the taxpayer’s $7Million! At CBSlocal.com
μολων λαβέ molṑn labé ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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Free_Thought
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:47pmGive up the vacation crap crybaby. GWB spent more than 900 days on vacation in 8 years. Obama has spent 80 days in 4 years. He would have to take of the next 2+ years to make that amount of time up. Your argument is moot. If any of your other posts actually made any sense you may have an opinion worth listening to.
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hatchetjob
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:22pmFREE THOUGHT, Even IF that were true, everything is just peachy with this administration isn’t it.
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azitdad
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:59pmI love these Trolls. They make me laugh! Free Thought indeed. Insults? Is that all you have? No facts? No articulated argument? No bullet points? Nothing? Hmm. You have my pity.
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:34pmVacation days or vacation dollars?
The Bushes own their vacationland and the Obamas own their vacationland. The Bushes didn’t charge the taxpayer $7M for a vacation.
μολων λαβέ molṑn labé ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE “From my cold, dead hands” works for me.
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Deadbang
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:21pmEvery single solitary sitting congress man or woman should be voted out the minute they are up for re-election. There is too much power and coruption amongst these pigs. Every bill has to be laiden with pork to get someone or another to vote yes. It really doesn’t matter who or what they are replaced by inexperienced or not, because these clowns in Washington refuse to do their job anyway.
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