Which Obama Executive Order Did the House Overwhelmingly Overturn Yesterday?
U.S. President Barack Obama delivers remarks about the fiscal cliff negotiations in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next to the White House December 31, 2012 in Washington, DC. (Photo: Getty Images)
President Barack Obama made waves last Friday when — amid a fierce fiscal cliff debate — he signed an executive order ending the pay freeze on certain federal workers. Beneficiaries to see a pay boost included Vice President Joe Biden and members of Congress.
Though the raises were relatively modest (at least for a government that runs trillion-dollar deficits)– about $900/year for members of Congress and $6,000/year for Biden– the Weekly Standard writes that the executive order would cost the taxpayer roughly $11 billion over the next ten years.
On Tuesday night, the U.S. House of Representatives approved legislation blocking the pay raise.
“Unbelievably, in the middle of talks this week on tax rates and sequestration revision, in the midst of high deficits and a growing national debt, the president has proposed pay increases for members of Congress,” Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.) summarized. “I have to say that nobody in this town saw this coming, and very few think it is warranted.”
The measure received immense bipartisan support, passing 287-129, with 55 Democrats voting with Republicans against the president’s proposal.
(Photo: Twitter/@GOPLeader)
The Washington Post has more information:
The GOP-backed bill introduced late Monday would freeze the salaries of lawmakers and the nation’s 2 million federal employees for the remainder of fiscal 2013. Currently, federal worker salaries are frozen through the end of a short-term spending agreement that expires in March. As part of efforts to curtail the deficit, federal employees have not seen a cost of living increase in their paychecks in more than three years.
The pay bill is cosponsored by Reps. Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.) and Darrell Issa (R-Calif.). [Emphasis added]
But Rep. Issa was quick to correct the impression that federal workers have been unfairly compensated. His office released a statement (via Twitchy):
“The President, the Senate Majority, and the House Minority have not been able to agree to even the most meager spending cuts,” Issa said in the statement. “Yet the President’s executive order gives all members of Congress a salary hike on top of the $174,000 a year we already earn.”
…In January 2012, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) issued a study which found that total compensation for federal employees was 16% greater than comparable private sector employees.
“The President’s across the board pay increase for white collar workers is not necessary to retain talented employees and just wastes taxpayer money,” Issa continued. “Federal employees have continued to receive promotions and within-grade pay increases over the past few years of the supposed ‘pay freeze,’ and voluntary separations from the federal government are near all-time lows.” [Emphasis added]
The bill will go to the Senate next, but according to the Hill it may not be considered due to language in the already-passed “fiscal cliff” bill blocking the $900 congressional pay raise.
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icarenough
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:04amif obama would just forgo his vacations and use that money to give his buddies raises, I might be able to accept a 1 year pay raise for the idiots. Can’t believe the S*B spent all that fuel to fly back to his vacation in Hawaii. Arrrogant bas***d. Remember when he said we need to turn algae into fuel??? Would like to see his AF1 take off the ground using algae. Maybe if we’re luckey, the plane would crash. Only regret, the pilots might loose their lives also. Also I agree, the pic of him is as disgusting as he is…when I see that mug on TV or hear the voice, it’s off for me. I refuse to listen to that traitor.
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CatB
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:46amYes and just heard he is now flying back to Hawaii to continue his “vacation”. I also live in a no BHO zone .. you want to lose me as a viewer/listener just show his repulsive mug or play his voice.
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RinkyDink34
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:49amAmen
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Oldphoto678
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:50amThe order was issued to put pressure on congress. It worked just as President Obama expected. So it is just one more in a long line of successes for the president, and one more defeat for the tea.
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circleDwagons
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:53amFlying back and did not sign bill. It is just a game.
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RR1
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:30pmAgree, There should be no vacations, pay raises anything until a deal is done.
But in the end, Taxes are still going up, and another economic hit
http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
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DDD
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:35pmI turn it off whenever Oblamo, Reid, Pelosi, Biden speak and now I’m gonna have to add Boehner to the list (what a piece of work he is). Hope Cantor goes for the speaker position.
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Leopold
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:43pmThis is not about an increase in pay.
This is for boehner to save face, this is were he will take a stand.
This has all been arranged before Christmas.
Remember politicians think we are stupid.
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CABERNETQHS
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:09pmI agree. I’m a union/state employee and we haven’t had a raise in 6 years and none with the new contract. That will be 9 years without even cost of living. None of these jokers deserve their current salaries let alone a raise!
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Letthebulletsfly
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:25pmCabern. And yet you’re still ahead of your private sector counterpart.
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ao6464
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:05pmand seems he didn’t even bother to wait to sign the bill, what when he can be spreading the wealth of Americans on HIS VACATION. And for those that voted for him, you get a vacation yet? Happy to pay for his??
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Constantine Ivanov
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:31pmI am just curious: is there any chance that the emotions shown here (which, in my humble opinion, are perfectly justified and well-grounded) turn eventually into real actions, like demonstrating, picketing, petitioning, demanding, objecting, refusing, and all other civil means that are able to convert doleful groaning and whining of losers into triumph songs of victors?
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turkey13
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:37pmDon’y you folks know that Air Force One runs on Bio-Jet Fuel (100% Green). Because of this bill a lot of Government employees will have to pay off their Christmas credit card bill like the rest of the working class. As far as Jo Biden missing his $ 6,000 raise – tough cookies! If he needs it, he can dip into one of his off shore accounts.
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Aristacah
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 3:38pmOur house is also, along with millions of Americans, a no BHO zone. We all get physically ill when we see his face and we will never listen to a thing he says, because it’s all lies.
When are we, as a people, going to stand up to this dictatorship?
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 3:44pmI always turn him off or sing real loud…doing a lot of singing!
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Angel_light
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 3:47pmOLDPHOTO, are you really that stupid? Do you think ANYONE believes your ignorant post? You’re an imbicele!
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 3:49pmOLDPHOTO, come on, thats stupid, even for an ignorant liberal idiot like you!!!!
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Whiskey14
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:21pmCouldn’t agree with you more. Plus, have you ever noticed that most, if not all pictures of Obama he has that arrogant look? Hope that saying is true, what goes around – comes around. Time will tell!
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JRook
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:28pmIt must be a key item on the job descriptions here…. that is create at least one negative report everyday regarding the PRESIDENT. What a waste of potential talent and blatant feeding the angry mob mentality.
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ladymargot
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 5:01pmI also have to turn off the t.v. when i see his face!
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katzkiner
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 5:39pmAir Force 1 only costs $15,000 an hour to operate. Pocket Change for the emperor. It is just Change.
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Cause4Liberty
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 5:40pmAll of you Neocons and Beckistanis on this site, deserve everything you get from Obama for the next 4 years! Its your fault for boasting obamas identical twin Romney! We tried to warn you with Ron Paul, but you demonized us and called us nuts, kooks, and tinfoil hat wearers If youd just look at the reflection in the mirror youll see the real kook. How does joining progressives defeat progressivsm?
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=uqqNqtQijUQ
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brewmaster
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 6:26pmI heard today that the Algea research got several million to keep up the good work, lol
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 6:43pmDid the Senate too, overturn the raises, or will the House’s bill go no where? If they do, will obama simply veto the law?
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 6:48pmRemember before obama when no president ever took a vacation!
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Mil Mom
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 6:58pm@DDD
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:35pm
I turn it off whenever Oblamo, Reid, Pelosi, Biden speak and now I’m gonna have to add Boehner to the list (what a piece of work he is). Hope Cantor goes for the speaker position
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Too likely Cantor’s stance against the bill was an effort to have the establishment which rules boehner maintain control by highjacking the replacement effort. We need someone who’s not liked by the establishment, King, bachmann, if the Speaker truly doesn’t need to be a member of the House, Allen West, or I’ve seen suggested on Breitbart Mark Levin. (Great by me, C-Spann would be good enterainment with him and Pelosi under the same roof, I can imagine Feinstein trying to argue with him, and that big **** gal from TX would never stand a chance.)
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Crazy_Jake
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 7:37pmYou are not alone..
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dmerwin
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:59pmThey should have went farther and agreed to NO pay unless they produce a budget each year.
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dmerwin
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:00pmAt about 2 million dollars per round trip.
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PaulConley
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:36pmTO: Glenn Beck, Mr. Beck, I am sure you know Mr. Darrel Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight Committee! Mr. Issa should know the law, and the Twenty Seventh Amendment is the law, not Obama!
Mr. Issa, I am sure you know the that ” No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives shall have intervened.” (Amendment XXVII)! The following EXECUTIVE ORDER – ADJUSTMENTS OF CERTAIN RATES OF PAY is an ” illegal order,” under the Authority of the Constitution! I am sure you will correct this illegal order! God Bless you, and you will need God’s Blessings!
EXECUTIVE ORDER ———— ADJUSTMENTS OF CERTAIN RATES OF PAY
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United
States of America, including section 114(b) of the Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2013 (Public Law 112–175), which provides that any statutory adjustments to current levels in certain pay schedules for civilian Federal employees may take effect on the first day of the first applicable pay period beginning after the date specified in section 106(3) of Public Law 112–175, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Statutory Pay Systems. The rates of basic pay or salaries of the statutory pay systems (as defined in 5 U.S.C. 5302(1)), as adjusted under 5 U.S.C. 5303, are set forth on the schedules attached hereto and made a part hereof:
(a) The General Schedule (5 U.S.
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pjki
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:51pmI TOO REFUSE to look at or listen to the BO TRAITOR undeservedly sitting in the White House! — oh wait, or is that on a golf course in Hawaii?! When he comes on MY TV, he’s OFF before he can breathe his first lie! I’m DONE listening to the traitor and his cronies who are systematically destroying America and our Constitution piece by piece. It’s bad enough his photo is everywhere we go now, on postcards, greeting cards, magazines, gov’t offices, advertisements, between my favorite programs, on the web — that’s what Communists do. They force themselves on the public and try to brainwash us.
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BlondieKnox
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:03pmI agree with you both! If he were a white man he would have been impeached long ago for TREASON! He has to go! He’s killing the American Dream!
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Yeah_Buddy
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:10pmI only look at his ugly mug to see if I can locate the 666 that must be etched in his head somewhere.
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freedoc
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:01pm@Cabernet.
Boo-hoo.
Not only have I not had a pay increase, my pay has been REDUCED by 100% over the last 20 years( in inflation adjusted dollars). No small thanks to the Government, our ‘democracy’ and the ‘right to health care’ philosophy.
Yep. You guessed right: I am a RICH Doctor. Pfft.
Now, to the point: Obamacommy is a narcissist, and a liar, which makes him an excellent politician in today’s corrupted world. Nothing he does, or ‘wins’ suprises me. He is surround by sychophants, Marxists and other power hungry demagogues, whose only desire is to maintain their precarious foothold on their OWN power.
Its disgusting in its predictability.
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lovenfl3
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:23pmFrom the man who point blank said that he would NEVER use executive orders and do an “end run around congress like George Bush did,” signs yet another one. But then again, it’s hardly his first lie, even of this year. Liberals always change the definition of everything. This video on the subject tells the whole story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn7HlDqK3VM
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LaBelle
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:29amI have to turn the volume down on the radio whenever he comes on..Just makes me want to puke whenever I hear more lies spewing from his clap trap.
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tomagolledge
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:00amObama thinks the US government is just a huge union, and he thinks he is Jimmy Hoffa. Chicago politics at its worst, or best, depending on how you look at it. http://www.cnbc.com.qr.net/j36H/
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RightUnite
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:12pmWish he were Jimmy Hoffa. We all know how well that turned out….
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subic
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:25pmI hear that RIGHTUNITE!
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:56pm@SUBIC
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:25pm
I hear that RIGHTUNITE!
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I keep wondering what its going to take to make that happen?
How much punishment are We The People going to take before rising up
and overthrowing this Communist Regime?
Every single day the Chocolate Dicatator openly MOCKS this nation and its citizens
Barry Left town without signing the bill!
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/02/will-white-house-use-autopen-again-to-sign-fiscal-cliff-bill/
Senators Got 154-Page ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senators-got-154-page-fiscal-cliff-bill-3-minutes-voting-it
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katzkiner
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 6:25pmCorrection: AF1 costs $180,000 an hour. $ 15,000 is the price for.an F16. Also guys,.careful, the suits are listening, they are nice people. But you don’t want them to visit your home, it is scarey..
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tothepoint
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:44amSilly House didn’t see it coming that Obama was going to give his gang raises while piling taxes on the American taxpayers.
Remember Obama in Feb. 2011 telling taxpayers they needed to “sacrifice” for their country – “You may just want to put off that vacation,” and “You may want to cancel going out to dinner.”
Obama’s hypocrisy knows no boundaries. And mesmerized Americans gave him four more years to harm our country and our allies.
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rjtaurus605
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:12pmNo one gave it to him it was stolen- by a media that has crowned him, by lie after lie on foreign policy(i.e.,Benghazi), lie after lie on domestic policy(i.e.Fair Share) and out right voter fraud, such as districts that had no opposition votes.
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missdagnytaggart
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:18pmThe mesmerized low information voters?
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Bluebonnet
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:50pmLet’s get real. These Congress people come to D.C., sell their souls to the lobbyists, pack on the pork in every bill passed (so they can “bring home the pork” to those who voted for them) and most of them go home a millionaire from all the ill-gotten gains they worked for (instead of working for the citizens of the United States.)
It’s time we understand how this whole thing works and how they are the ones telling us to bend over.
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Aristacah
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 3:36pmThe Republican party is no longer a party of integrity. They have reduced themselves to the same level as that knothead Ovomit that the me generation voted in. I’ve changed my party affiliation a long time ago, but that doesn’t mean I can’t vote them out and I will.
Boehner shall now officially be known as Benedict Arnold.
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Redmanblackdog
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:43amWOW! Why the hell haven’t they voted down all the other executive orders? Boehner says he is against Obamacare, but he is the one who could defund it and what does he do, cower in the corner and cry.
Encinom has the I.Q. of a turd. The public sector is making twice what the private sector is even without a raise. If you look up **** for brains in the dictionary there will be a picure of Encinom.
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truthnstuff
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:23amYou’re being generous with the IQ of a turd. I think the turd has a higher IQ than Encinom. You can at least flush a turd, he is the gift that keeps on spewing.
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searcher619
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:16pmNONE of those in congress should be making any more than the average pay in their respective states. No more and no less. Their pay should change as the average wage changes in their states. If it goes up theirs also goes up. If it goes down their pay should also go down. Congress was never meant to be a full time job to begin with. Members of congress were expected to have actual jobs. the way we have perverted those positions is criminal. We only have ourselves to blame.
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searcher619
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:21pmI would also add that each state should be paying their representatives salary NOT the federal government.
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savagenatn
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 7:42pmRedman
that’s exactly what I thought when I read the headline. Why haven’t these sorry bastards in Congress stopped any of the other unlawful ridiculous executive orders barry has shoved through? pink tie boehner is a worthless fraud. The idiot doesn’t realize how much power he actually has, yet cowers and cries over everything.
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kettererbg
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 8:08pmEncinom must be a California libertard. He head is so far up his arse that lump in his throat is his nose.
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luvmy40
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 7:43amI’ve been wondering where they get the numbers that public sector employees are so grossly over payed. I have been a postal employee (Elec. Tech.) for 11 years and am at the top of my pay scale. My son in law just hired into Intel in the same exact job(maintaining process equipment) with only 2 years military experience in avionics at 10% higher annual compensation and a better benefits package than I have.
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Alky
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:34amIf Congress can overwrite that executive order, there are a whole bunch more they need to get on right away!!
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GuruMeditation
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:47amThat’s for damn sure. Congress you have some work to do. Get busy!
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dshevlin
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 5:22pm@Alky – Congress ALWAYS has the power to overwrite/stop an EO. After an EO is written it sits on the federal registry for 30 days, sort of like a variance does waiting for someone to object to it. If NO objections it becomes law after 30 days. SO – why the hell have any of these EO’s become law? Has Congress never objected? Do they know they can? Do they know how to do it? Do they know anything???? Really starting to wonder about all of them. Are they all just idiots or are they just acting like it? Was this all just an act to throw Boehner a bone so it looks as if he is “on our side”. I mean really…??? Now after 1000′s of EO’s ( and all way worse then a meesly pay raise ) all of a sudden Boehner is gonna jump in and stop it! So pathetic, we are being played by all of them. I suggest just not looking anymore and save yourself!
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deep6
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:22amThe Renaissance has begun..Check out Obama peeing on the statue of liberty from an ebay painting…http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130829070557 Hillarious!!
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dublinthewagons
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:49amMay God bless the republic of Texas & Oklahoma.
This painting needs to be on very tee shirt and hanging in the white house next to the real thing (hanging next to it)
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jwpowers41
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:25pmThe statue of Liberty need the inscription changed we don’t need the poor downtrodden masses we
have our own home grown shiftless lazy parasites that we need to deport to France…….
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Salamander
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:14amRemember THAT FACE! We need a LOT MORE OF THAT LOOK over the next 4 years!!!
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ashestoashes
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:24amGee I thought that we needed pay cuts for members of Congress.Senate and the Presidents..(Bush included) for giving all those millions of dollars to CEOs that failed companies..and to force them into the same healthcare that they are forcing upon us..and to place them on Social Security in place of receiving all of those..what is it..hundreds of thousands after one or two terms..Now Jo Biden? Well he might be worth 6 thousand just for the entertainment..
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dublinthewagons
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:25amIn the next four years it may be on our currency, flag, in every home and on every street corner. Dictators are like that you know.
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MadinIllinois
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:28amI commend both the Republicans & Democrats that voted to FREEZE their pay, and the pay of all federal workers (who earns 16% more then their private counter part) for the remainder of 2013 – now, if we could just make it permanent!
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cosette
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:34am@ Salamander… That face, regardless of the expression on it, is one that I wish to forget. It is repulsive to me as is his voice. His election was the death knell of my beloved country and the constitution on which its’ laws were founded. After last night I have lost all hope. We are surly doomed.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:47amI’d prefer not seeing or hearing that face at all.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:14am“we already make 174,000?” What is that like, uh, 4 or 5 times the average salary of the people you are supposed to represent? These b##sturds need a pay decrease! Better yet! Put them on unemployment and food stamps! Booya!
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encinom
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:20amAgain the article is misleading, the COLA increase would have been for all Federal employees, not just Congress, the janitors and clerks have been without a COLA increase for 3 years.
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randy
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:29amCry me a river Enemaman.
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M13
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:33amOnce again Encinom shows us his complete stupidity.
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:36amThere are janitors and clerks who have not had a job in 5 years. Screw the government workers.
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Begbie
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:46am@Encinom……….That’s terrible. For those poor unfortunate fed employees I say, “Tough t*tty!” I haven’t had a COLA increase either. Wake up and smell the economy!
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encinom
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:05amThe typical greed and jealously of the Tea Bagging Christian on display, will not fight for fellow Americans getting ahead or just breaking even. Too selifh, too consumed with his own to care about his fellow man.
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lel2007
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:20amencinom, and other liberals, feel a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.
Effectively used by our progressive overlords, fairness replaces and obliterates the unyielding, uncompromisable, nearly forgotten concept that this nation was founded upon: liberty. That’s why a government focused on such a non-tangible subjective credo is so dangerous. There is literally nothing in its path to keep it in check. From Barack’s pseudo communism to Fidel Castro’s real deal, collectivist notions to rob you of your pay check, life and liberty at gunpoint always begin with selling “fair” to a non-thinking public unwilling or unable to weigh the trade off of socialism versus its antithesis: human freedom.
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drattastic
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:22am@encinom , Tuff sh@t ,I haven’t had a raise in 4 years ,my benefit cost keep going up while the coverage goes down and bonuses what bonuses ? All the while these azz clowns in DC keep printing money to service the debt and spend more money we don’t have making every dollar I earn worth less . Yup it’s a huge sh@t sandwich and we all have to take a bite even those precious government employees.
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Joe_The_Patriot
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:29amHey encinom,
How about the unions stop collecting the dues from the workers???? That would be an increase in income and not take another dime of taxpayers money…..
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commies.in.the.wire
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:31amObama, go **** yourself! Same goes for you ENCEINOM.
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barber2
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:31amWow. ” Tea-bagging Christians”…..any other category you radicals also hate ? Vile hatred: the mark of a Character Assassinating radical.
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Joe_The_Patriot
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:37amHere’s and idea if the poor federal worker doesn’t like the way they are being treated or the salaries they receive let them come out in the private sector and TRY to find a job… Oh that’s right.. the pi$$ poor economy obama has been responsible for the last four years has yielded no jobs….
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truthnstuff
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:40amNo Barber, no more PC, we are now getting into the gutter where you and your ilk have pulled us. We are calling you what you are and have stopped playing the nice card. BTW, flush yourself you commie POS.
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missdagnytaggart
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:21pmEncinom- I’m playing the smallest violin in the world for those poor federal workers. How many of us in the private sector have had to forego raises for the past few years?
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Tresse
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:51pmLEL2007, you know the definition of a liberal, they are the first ones to give you the shirt off of someone else’s back.
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eadamico70
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:10pmAmen!
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Salamander
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:14amObama had to put something in that was basically throwing them a bone! If they passed it, they would look self-serving. And, if the rejected it, Obama looks like a ‘good guy’ to those he tried to give a pay increase! The real putz’s in this are ALL those taxpayers that THINK the ‘payroll tax’ is a tax! It is NOT, it was once known as FICA (Federal Insurance Contributions Act), a contribution to a national retirement plan known as Social Security, which was sold to Americans as a safety net to provide at least a poverty-level subsistence for those who failed to provide for their own retirement! By cutting the ‘payroll tax’ in half, it assured an earlier failure of the Social Security system, which has been stressed by ‘mission creep’ and increasing actuarial lifespan. Raising the retirement age would offer a reasonable fix, but ONLY IF employer-provided healthcare is CAPITATED, ‘x’ dollars a head, and not discriminated by race, gender, medical history OR AGE!!! Right now, a 64 year old ‘costs’ their employer twice as much as a 54 year old, thus PRICING THEM OUT OF THE JOB MARKET! It costs an employer about $10 an hour for the 64 year old and a mere $5 for the 54 year old! Thus, raising the retirement age, while denying viable employment is JUST ANOTHER BIG LIE!
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Lotus503
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:34amI agree. Obama was throwing the House Republicans a bone to allow them to look like they have a backbone after having their faces pushed into the dirt over the so-called ‘fiscal cliff’ debacle.
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Tigress1
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:10amToo bad we can’t get a “Cost of Living Raise” to cover the increase in taxes that were just passed!
Last night I watched an episode of House Hunters on HGTV. The wife was a “Supervisor for the Federal Gov.”, her husband was a “Starving freelance writier”. (He admitted that he was living off his wife’s salary.) Their budget was for $475,000 in Little Rock, Arkansas. They ended up buying a house over their budget, (a spectacular house) and then the wife said she was getting ready to start having kids. How many people do you know with a budget like that? A SUPERVISOR getting paid like that? Not only that, we are going to pay her while she is on maternity leave, and have to pay for another supervisor while she is gone! THIS is why this country is broke!
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@leftfighter
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:36amActually, cost-of-living adjustments are a self-feeding feedback loop.
The cost of living goes up because people can afford higher priced items, b/c they got a cost cost of living increase b/c so they could afford higher priced items that went up the year prior, b/c they got a cost cost of living increase b/c so they could afford higher priced items that went up the year prior, b/c they got a cost cost of living increase b/c so they could afford higher priced items that went up the year prior, b/c…
Same is true of Unions and the Minimum Wage. MW sets a baseline for unskilled workers. The skilled workers in a Union index themselves in relation to it saying, “If unskilled worers get paid X, then why are we only getting paid Y? We demand Z.” In most cases, they get it. Now that all of them get paid more, the cost of living increases for the same reason as above. Then, the unskilled workers ask for (and eventually get) a MW increase and the cycle starts over again.
Funny thing, the supply/demand curve… the more you can afford, the higher prices are. Adjust for it and it adjusts for you.
Then you get the the economically illiterate Left, wondering how it is that their state’s cost of living is so much higher than others, while others actually trumpet the higher wages as a good thing and never consider the fact that the cost of living is lower in non-Union states while bloviationg about how Unions got them higher pay to cover their higher cost of living.
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thibx
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:10amoboma is hoping he can blame the republicans enough till democrats take back the house in 2 years and retain the senate then they can do what they want. if so we are doomed.
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mrmikejohnson
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:09amIt was pretty comical that Obama tried to give himself and his buddies big raises right in the middle of the fiscal cliff talks. The man has no shame.
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termyt
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:08am“gives all members of Congress a salary hike on top of the $174,000 a year we already earn.”
Earn? Don’t you have to produce something before you can earn payment for it? That’s not even to say that whatever was produced should be of at least some value(equal value being just a pipe dream).
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:02amSo far I haven’t seen a lot of “earning”. In the private sector, all of them would be fired for failing to obtain low cost, efficient and effective budgets that don’t drive additional spending.
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dublinthewagons
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:07amObama knows nothing about running a business or balancing a budget. He is a spend freak. Emphasis on freak.
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encinom
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:18amThe GOP is again screwing the workers. The Federal government can not retain top talent, when they fail to pay employees salaries that match the private sector. The CBO study Issa sites has been largely panned as misleading. “Workers with a complete or incomplete college education or a master’s degree tend to make about the same amount, again with more generous benefits. But highly educated federal workers earn less than their peers in the private sector. ”
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/federal-pay-vs-private-sector-compensation/
Of cause if your goal is to create an ineffective Federal Government, not pay top talent is one way to do it.
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Fubared
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:29amEnc idiot
Amtrak, Postal Service, GOA, those types of top workers? Can’t you even cry better than that? What a loser.
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:37amI love how ENCINOM thinks the CBO is legit only when it supports his views.
“Top Talent” in the government…. lol
Pass the douchie, douche.
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cosette
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:50am@ Encinom….” Federal workers” = oxymoron. Nuf’ said.
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Begbie
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:55am@Encinom…..The argument that a pay increase is necessary to retain top workers is ridiculous. When fed workers already make much more on average than the private sector, please explain why government is run so inefficiently as a result of this top pay.
You are making the mistake of assuming that the fed is run the same as the private sector, but there’s one big difference…..the fed doesn’t have to keep it’s books in the black. Fed workers don’t perform as well so NO INCREASE.
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Zipit
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:05amEncinom! That’s funny!!!!! ” if your goal is to create an ineffective Federal Government” it’s like a time warp. Your caught in it, and your totally oblivious as to what your government has done to you for the past 40-50 years! A disfunctional and ineffective gov is the norm! And it’s at its worst when the dems are in charge. Little Timmy Geitner for example. The ” top talent” treasury secretary that couldn’t figure out Turbo Tax! The best thing that could happen to us would be a government that did absolutely nothing for the next two years. For those in this administration, the terms “top talent”, and “federal employee”, can logically, not be used together!
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truthnstuff
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:38amEncinom, you must be one of those gubmin parasites living off the confiscation of the taxpayer, or just plain stupid. Wait,,,,,,those two are the same.
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commies.in.the.wire
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:17pmENCINOM, Top talent? Now that’s funny. Fed workers are those slug non self starters that don’t have the brains, discipline, tact, integrity, & the guts to make it in the private sector, yet collectivist Obama and your ilk believe they rate top pay? hahahahahahaha, to do what, sit around and milk the clock, pound your pud in the OPM or GOA offices?
Oh please DESERTROSE, give us a break slug!
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missdagnytaggart
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:24pmEncinom- Federal workers get fantastic benefits! Far better than anything your average private sector guy gets.
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AvengerK
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:11pmLOL…but ENCIDIOT..isn’t Obama the best of the best? The brightest, smartest, most compassionate, honest, transparent, competent president ever isn’t he? Will we lose him if we don’t pay him more? Fingers crossed…
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phil1765
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 8:04amencinom
Moron, when in your lifetime have you had an effective federal government? If you think that you have ever had an efficient and effective federal government you are freaking dreaming or need to hit that bong again. We haven’t had an effective federal government in at least 100 years. When they became full time politicians they decided that whatever was most profitable for them was best.
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hauschild
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:05amAh, these people are ALL heart.
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blanco5
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:05amThrow a bone every now and then to placate the plebians.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:52amAt least something got done that did not sink the nation. They passed this, and then ensured Obama won with the fiscal-cliff fiasco.
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missdagnytaggart
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:26pmI’d say we’re pretty well sunk either which way.
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zoro51
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:51amIMPEACH THIS SOCIALIST AMERICNA HATER NOW.. e4nd the BS that is obamanation… hes taking america down… hes anti constitution PRO COMMUNISM.. hes anti oil PRO IMPORTING anti GUN will PANDER to ANY side to achieve hisw masters goal (SOROS) IMPEACH N REMOVE THIS NON AMERICAN BORN WEAK LEADER NOW FREE AMERICA FORM THE LEFT
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00100111
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 3:07pmImpeach him? And then what? Dems have the Senate, won’t happen.
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roscoe569
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:48pmYour mindless ranting maybe Han indication that your head is about to explode
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Chromo200
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:49amHad to get my wife get my AED going. You mean 55 Dems supported no spending. By June they will comeback with a vengeance and spend spend spend.
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YAHSHUARULES
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:48amSmoke and mirrors. Why don’t they do something really significant like stop exempting themselves from living with all the laws they pass?
Like good magicians having you watch the right hand while they do the dirty work with the left; its all part of the agenda:
https://vimeo.com/52009124
If America goes down, the free world will go down with it and it will be finished for a very, very long time…
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HAL8728
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:51pmI agree. I think we could shut down several federal agencies and the country would not miss a beat.
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thibx
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:48amhe is an embrassment. most people in this country should not be allowed to vote.
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oldguy49
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:52amno habla
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IndyGuy
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:47amHave to wonder if we’ll hear this from the MSM….
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Sharon Rose
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:47amMaybe the House did do something right!
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tuffterf
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:44amDid anyone here hear about what the House did to Hurricane Sandy victims? Did they do something “right” there?
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kickagrandma
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:45amHALLELUJAH! Congress, get on ALL the obummer’s “executive orders” and repeal every one of them. As a matter of fact, repeal him!
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Sharon Rose
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:51amAmen!
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Exidor
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:01amExactly! This arrogant POS needs to be overturned.
Obama is a disgrace to this country.
Impeachment is the next step.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:45amDESERTROSE1960 will literally come unglued!! How dare Congress interfere with potential pay increase for she and her husband?
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kickagrandma
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 9:51amMorning RJJ~~~ have enjoyed your posts this a.m. GOD BLESS AND PROTECT!
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DesertRose1960
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 10:34amSo sorry to disappoint you. I figured this was coming, I figured it was coming some months ago. I also figure that the Republicans will go after step increases next. And the CBO may be perfectly correct in saying that the GS schedule for Federal employees is 16% above the average income of private sector employees, but it lacks context. Almost all of the lower pay functions that bring down the national average, janitors, low level typists, basic data entry, etc have been removed from the Federal system, they’ve been contracted out. To do my job, you have to have a four year college degree and a Master’s equivelant in professional certifications. If I took my certificates to a private company, I’d be making between $15,000-$20,000 more money for the same job. The same report also says that Federal professionals are paid less than their private industry counterparts. Also, Issa’s point about voluntary separations (that’s quitting your job) being at an “all-time low” are a reflection of the unsteady economy more than anything. I knew several people who could have retired with 40 years of service two years ago, but they kept working because they couldn’t afford to retire. There’s one thing you learn when working for the Federal government, Congress loves to make you the scape goat to their constituents. Look tough by screwing up our pay and our pensions, we can’t fight back and they know it. Oh, and that “big raise” was one half of one percent after three
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truthnstuff
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 11:49amIf the gubmin parasites got a 50% pay cut, had to fund their own retirement, like working people, they would still be over payed for their level of competence. Gubmin, the largest affirmative action scam in all of history.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:00pmKICKAGRANDMA, Thank you and I wish the same for you and yours as well.
DESERTROSE1960, You just proved my point, and here you are whining about it as expected. Just how many of the average workers out in the regular private sector have had even a whiff of a pay increase? How many will even come close as these skyrocketing taxes with 0bamacare go into effect? Just keep fooling yourself and continue to think that is such a great thing. Oh yeah, keep whining as usual too.
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DesertRose1960
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 12:14pmI’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Truthnstuff is typical of average Americans, they don’t actually know any Federal workers, and they don’t actually know what our working conditions are. We do have to fund our retirement. I have the equivelent of an IRA, it’s called TSP (Thrift Savings Plan) and it depends on me setting aside a portion of my income for my retirement. The Govenment matches the first 5%. The rest of my retirement is dependent on Social Security, the same as other Americans. You can read about the Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS) in Wikipedia. It’s thee same as what Congress has received since 1984. Average workers, at least the people at my level of responsibility pay less for their health insurance than I do and they get paid more. I choose to stay with the Government because I believe in serving my country. You apparently served in the military and had foul things to say about people like me. It’s okay, I’ll still keep serving, and I’ll be at it after you’ve gone home and gotten another job.
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AvengerK
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:07pmNo no TOKYOROSE..the government doesn’t match the first 5%..THE TAX PAYER matches it and the tax payer pays your salary too. This is how you lefty unionistas think..the government is the benefactor, just tax someone more if you can’t afford your “meagre” benefits right?
Good job RJJING…you hit a nerve with the lefty troll and exposed the idiot for the duplicitious shill she is. .
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AvengerK
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 1:14pmOh and TOKYOROSE…cry me a river sweetie. Darden Restaurants and others are reducing the hours of their employees so that they can afford to deal with the tax hikes of Obamacare. So go ahead and whine about the tax payer paying for 5% of your retirement each month while your salary is already paid with tax payer dollars. And the double whammy of course..these same employees who’ve had their hours reduced will have to find additional part time work to pay for the individual mandate in Obamacare. Oh you poor thing…..
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DesertRose1960
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 2:03pm@AvengerK, So, how is your Pokemon collection these days? I’ve seen how some of the folks treat you here. You’re not any more popular than I am, and I admit to being a troll. You can’t hurt me, you have no power over me. Here’s something for you to consider. Yes, the taxpayers do pay my salary, but guess what, I pay taxes, too. And because of my tax bracket I pay more in taxes than most other Americans, it’s part of the deal. You do realize that Darrell Issa is worth somewhere between $195-$700 million, and that he voted to not raise his taxes and to increase the taxes on his Federal salary, right? You folks often confuse statements of facts as complaints. It doesn’t back up your misconceptions, so it must be whining. It’s like your tendency to name call and then squeal when someone calls you out on it. It’s okay, I accepted the conditions when I signed up here. It amuses me, really.
The folks at Darden Restuarant are starting to regret their decisions, apparently their profits are down because the public is staying away from them. In many cases, corporations make wage and benefit cuts for their employees to give the corporate board higher compensation. But people catch on to them. You can condemn unions all you want, but unions built the Middle Class and has unionized labor has declined to a third of what it used to be, real wages have stayed what they were for our fathers and grandfathers. But corporations and the 1% now control 20% of the GDP,
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AvengerK
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:08pmSpare me your “1%” unionista/occupy rote TOKYROSE. I don’t begrudge success nor do I covet another’s wealth. Your marxist classwarfare tactics don’t work on me. Got that cupcake?
I don’t give a toss what Issa is worth, more power to him.
The only squealling I see here is yours TOKYOROSE with..”oh I’m not whining”..”oh my employer only matches 5%”..”oh congress scapegoats us”..”oh they screw up our pay and pensions”. Yes…you’re such a victim TOKYOROSE…where’s a violin to play mournfully behind your tales of hardship and sorrow? Lefty creep you don’t even realise the garbage you write.
And speaking of cupcakes….Let’s talk about what the unions did to Hostess shall we?
LOL…You’re an idiot TOKYOROSE…If you’re referring to MONICNE/ENCINOM/SLEAZY HIPPO/KREGNEVA (yes your lefty cohort actually went to the extent of creating a screenname that’s the reverse spelling of mine) and WANGO/HORSEDANCER/PANTLOADIAN/GLENNDA, they’re actually two individuals, not eight. And I’m thrilled that I’m not “popular” with those two fellow trolls of yours. I’m not here for popularity, I’m here to stop lefties like you from poisoning these boards.
Sure you pay taxes TOKYOROSE..again from wages paid for by the tax payer. And again that “5%” retirement match your employer (read: the government) pays is STILL, tax payer money. You contribute no real growth to the country you merely leech off it.
Get better material clownshoes.
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cosette
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:24pm@ Desertrose… O.K., pardon any mistakes I may make while writing this comment, I’m doing so through tear filled eyes after reading your post. To begin with if indeed your education and experience in your field could garner you $20,000.00 annually more than your “gubbmint” job does and, as you claim, you haven’t secured that private sector job because of the poor economy, doesn’t that fact reflect poorly on your party and its’ leaders, most of whom have been running this country unchecked for the past 4 years? After all, they ALL insist that the economy is in the midst of a recovery……. except for the high unemployment problem which is as bad as when the slug took office, and the astronomical food and energy prices, oh and the ballooning welfare and food stamp roles, and the jump in permanent disability claims, and the almost 17 trillion in debt and the crappy housing market …….. and on…. and on… and on……….
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AvengerK
Posted on January 2, 2013 at 4:32pmCOSETTE…you have to remember that TOKYOROSE has also claimed to be a teacher while regaling us at other times with tales of trips to Japan and other exotic (and expensive) locales. That’s some suffering this poor downtrodden government worker has had to endure isn’t it? And the poor wretch feels scapegoated and under-appreciated by her employers too.
Someone hand out the tissues..this is heartwrenching stuff TOKYOROSE suffers for us all.
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