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Atheists to Send Revamped ‘Jefferson Bible’ (Including Koran & Book of Mormon) to Obama & 113th Congress

Jan. 3, 2013 1:53pm Billy Hallowell

American Humanist Association to Send New Jefferson Bible to Obama, Congress

Photo Credit: American Humanist Association (AHA)

Atheist, humanists and their non-believing bedfellows have borrowed a page from Founding Father Thomas Jefferson. In an effort to breathe new life into his so-called “Jefferson Bible,” the American Humanist Association (AHA) has assembled a revamped literary work entitled, “A Jefferson Bible for the Twenty-First Century.” But rather than merely including the former president’s stripped-down version of the New Testament, the non-believing organization has added other religious texts as well.

A press release announcing the new book claims that it also includes edited versions of the Hebrew Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavadgîtâ, the Buddhist Sutras, and the Book of Mormon. The AHA has taken the so-called positive and negative sections of each holy book and highlighted them in the text. According to the statement, the group thought that adding a diverse subset of scriptures from different faiths was a more appropriate and comprehensive action.

See, AHA is planning to send a copy of ”A Jefferson Bible for the Twenty-First Century,” to President Barack Obama and members of the 113th Congress. But with Christianity not dominating every elected House and Senate member’s theological adherence, the humanist group decided to branch out (TheBlaze already told you about Hindi and Buddhist members of the House and Senate who were recently elected).

Printed by AHA’s publishing arm, Humanist Press, the book will arrive to politicians free-of-charge. While it is available now as an e-book, it will also soon be published in paper form. A statement circulated by the secular organization summarizes the purposes behind the book.

Photo Credit: American Humanist Association (AHA)

“‘A Jefferson Bible for the Twenty-First Century’ follows Jefferson’s lead in creating a useful tome for those interested in the best of the best from the world’s most important religious texts, but also highlights problem passages similar to those that Jefferson lamented arose from ‘the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of His disciples,’” the release reads.

Humanist Press Director Luis Granados said that AHA is looking forward to debate surrounding the passages that the group has selected. He claims that the AHA welcomes dialogue surrounding these matters.

“In 1901, the U.S. Congress felt that the Jefferson Bible was of such great value that it authorized the printing of nine thousand copies for itself,” Granados noted in the release. “With today’s Congress representing a much more religiously diverse population, including a fifth of the population that is not religious, we thought it was appropriate to deliver a new Jefferson Bible that acknowledges that diversity.”

You can read more about this atheist bible of sorts here.

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checkingbothsides
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:14pm
I see a lot of comments here mocking the Atheists and Socialists, but not a lot of commentary about the fact that Jefferson was a Deist, hated organized religion, and stripped all of the supernatural out of his bible. No comments about that?

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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:31pm
  I applaud TJ daily for that, and his love of all women.
  
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- rochrealtor
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:56pm
  checkingbothsides, Which one are you wanting to discuss? The one for the Indians or the moral version?
  
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- BlackBeaver
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:57pm
  Where did you get this misinformation? Every claim you make is not only wrong, but the polar opposite of fact! See David Barton, “The Jefferson Lies”. (Dallas, Thomas Nelson, 2012).
  
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- Obama Snake Oil Co
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:03pm
  That is because that is how you revisionists changed what Jefferson believed. You made it up to fit your agenda. Sorry to get history in the way of your theories….
  
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- 1977
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:04pm
  @ checkingbothsides,
  your comment “I see a lot of comments here mocking the Atheists and Socialists, but not a lot of commentary about the fact that Jefferson was a Deist, hated organized religion, and stripped all of the supernatural out of his bible. No comments about that?”
  
  You do understand that Deist believe in God & Atheist don’t………right?
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:12pm
  @Blackbeaver
  
  “Every claim you make is not only wrong, but the polar opposite of fact! See David Barton, “The Jefferson Lies”. (Dallas, Thomas Nelson, 2012).”
  
  I… honestly can’t tell if you’re being intentionally ironic or not. Barton’s book was yanked because it was so factually dishonest. His publisher refused to print any more copies and he was disavowed by the majority of all right-wing historians. Barton’s been dishonest for years, but it was his “The Jefferson Lies” that finally made his own lies so glaring that even his supporters started to decry him.
  
  So, I’m hoping for irony…
  
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- 13a
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:11pm
  I’m torn on David Barton because he has been discredited by many of his right-wing peers who recount history. I believe Barton is a good guy but it bothers me that Glenn said he would publish and promote Barton’s book as absolute truth. Glenn even had a show dedicated to defending Barton’s book. It’s understandable since the two are good friends, but Glenn was more interested in trying to discredit Barton’s critics. And somehow Beck reasoned that if Barton’s critics were Progressives, then that somehow automatically legitimizes Barton’s book.
  
  I like Glenn and like that he encourages people to not take his word for it but to do their own research. Unfortunately, a lot of his supporters have twisted his sincerity into something else: “Glenn Beck said it so it must be true”.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:16pm
  I find that the harder the media tries to smear someone (Barton) the more you should listen to them.
  
  For every time somebody says David Barton’s name, the progressives must slip in ‘lie’ or ‘wrong’ somewhere to dirty his name beyond repair.
  
  The thing about David Barton is, I hear ‘liar liar pants on fire’ but I see nor smell no smoke from cooking dungarees.
  
  In other words, I’ve heard no empirical evidence for David Barton’s supposed faulty intel.
  
  No quotes/misquotes,
  
  No contradicting passages,
  
  No clashes between texts.
  
  Just tell me where David is wrong.
  
  Precision, please.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 7:37pm
  [but the polar opposite of fact! See David Barton, “The Jefferson Lies”]
  Ah ha ha ha. Maybe you should put up someone that hasn’t had his credibility damaged with unsourced quotes.
  
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- alinmatt
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 8:08pm
  @cabrito, one example:
  Barton’s claim about Jefferson authorizing funds for the “propagation of Gospel for the heathens.”
  This was not the case. There was a group of Christian Indians who had rights to land in Ohio, they called themselves “The Society of the United Brethren for propagating the Gospel among the Heathen”. Ohio militia men killed many of them and chased them off during the Revolutionary War. The land was then held in trust by the US and given back to them upon their return. Barton distorts this and takes it entirely out of context to say that the federal gov, with Jefferson’s approval, gave funds for the propagation of Gospel for the heathens, when in reality the title of the legislation was the name of the Society that originally owned the land.
  This example and another are available on the quick look of the book Getting Jefferson Right on Amazon. My take is that Barton didn’t intentionally lie, but that his worldview is so biased that he unintentionally takes things out of context to support his own foregone conclusions.
  FYI, I’ve have not read either book. This was just from a quick google search. The fact that men with similar worldviews as Barton went through the effort of debunking his book says a lot. Their main reason being that Christians should be intellectually honest.
  
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- BellaMia7
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 8:28pm
  He was also a slave owner. Organized religions get people together to improve their character and help others. Subtract the religion and your left with community organizer.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 8:42pm
  @CHECKINGBOTHSIDES
  
  Jefferson was not a Deist, and certainly wasn’t an orthodox Christian. He most likely was a Unitarian.
  
  He had a monotheistic concept of God.
  
  He did not believe Jesus was the Son of God.
  
  He also rejected the Bible as the inspired word of God, and that it only contained basic moral teachings
  
  Jefferson held freedom and human reason above all else.
  
  All this comes from “Christianity and the Constitution: The Faith of Our Founding Fathers” by John Eidsmoe.
  
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- alinmatt
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 9:07pm
  @black,
  From the wisdom of the great wikipedia; Opposed to Calvinism, Trinitarianism, and what he identified as Platonic elements in Christianity, in private letters Jefferson variously refers to himself as “Christian” (1803),[5] “a sect by myself” (1819),[6] an “Epicurean” (1819),[7] a “Materialist” (1820),[8] and a “Unitarian by myself” (1825).[9] Historian Sydney E. Ahlstrom associated Jefferson with “rational religion” or deism.[10]
  From me; I think he could probably be associated with Unitarianism better than any other religion, but obviously did not want to be classified as one. He didn’t hold to any particular religious philosophy, but approached religion and God from his own perspective. He was his own sect of religious belief, which is closer to being a deist. Jefferson was also a politician and presented himself in the best light to those who would be voting for him. I think during his time as a politician he aimed at appearing to be more mainstream and then revealed more of his personal religious beliefs as he got older.
  
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- black9897
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 9:32pm
  @ALINMATT
  
  True, he did refer to himself as a Christian. Only in the respect of following the moral teachings of
  Jesus though. Which he highly respected—Jesus and Christianity.
  
  Yeah, he did believe religion was a private matter between a man and his God.
  
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- trojans231
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:13pm
  I’d disagree.
  
  Thomas Jefferson wrote the Jefferson Bible in an intent to make Jesus this appealing man based on his actions, not his miracles. Many native religions offered miracles, but very little basis for respecting the person who committed the miracle. Jesus, alongside his miraculous behaviors, was also a man of great virtue. Chief Little Bear would be better off hearing about a man who said to respect all instead of a man who turned water to wine. A native learning the virtues of Jesus is better than a native sitting around “How do I get this Jesus man to turn this water into wine?”
  
  (insert quote one here)
  
  Thomas Jefferson chose deism because he wanted less of a God suited towards individual denominations but the God of the Bible. Instead of selling God as everything and everywhere, denominations would sell God on specifics. This made him look like a deist in those time periods. He followed the Bible, was was a wise theologian in how he did it. Church was tedious and for the fearful, so he chose not to participate in the church system.
  
  “A mans faith is between him and his God” ~Not Thomas Jefferson
  
  Jefferson was very concerned about the affairs of churches in the United States. Thus the “Separation of Church and State” letter.
  
  and he also gave plenty of money to Christian organizations.
  
  In reality, Jefferson was a right wing Bible thumper. The ACLU’s worst nightmare.
  
  The atheists are simply utilizing his style of writing evangeli
  
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- Ded-Bred
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:15am
  As a matter of fact, you are quoting liars, for Jefferson was indeed a believer and follower of the teachings of Christ. He rightly believed matters of faith in God is very private. So only in personal letters did he ever explain nor confess his beliefs with any but those closest to him. So stop with false information, because someone WILL check for accuracy. Then you look like a fool.
  2 more things: he DID NOT bear a black child from a slave. DNA smoked that lie out.
  OK, the last census showed < 3%, but this guy's claiming 1/5 of population is gay?
  
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- Imjetta
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:11am
  Jefferson was not a Deist. He didn’t adhere to “organized” religion, but he welcomed church’s to use the Capital for services. He was a man seeking and not finding.
  
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- sizzlinsexybeckster
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:24am
  I say while they are at it why don’t they send this book too http://www.amazon.com/Our-Lord-Savior-Barack-Obama/dp/1481247395/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357313005&sr=8-1&keywords=obama+god+lord+jamie
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:35am
  TheBLAZE,
  Please do not use “humanism” and “Humanism” interchangeably–
  “humanism” is not incompatible with Christianity or other monotheistic belief systems, whereas
  “Humanism” is. Progressive Humanists love this mistake– it’s kind of like what they did to the word “progress.”
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:45am
  What a surprise! The AHA actually blurs this distinction in their own “statement.”
  
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- Keith Wilson
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:31am
  These poor brainwashed useful idiots coming out of our educational system are frightening. Thomas Jefferson went to church on Sunday in the US Capitol Building. They held church services there for almost 100 years. He signed a treaty that paid for a church and the preachers for the Kaskaski Indians. His Indian Bible was just a teaching tool that only contained the teachings of Jesus. Check it out and at least know you are lying when you say those things.
  
  http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html
  
  (Read Article 3) http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/vol2/treaties/kas0067.htm
  
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- Nfrad
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:53am
  Jefferson subscribed first and foremost to “reason” and science above and beyond any religious doctrine; however, Jefferson was also deeply spiritual and believed in God and eternal salvation. While much can be read into Jefferson’s use of God in his writings, it does not make him a Christian. .
  
  Jefferson rejected the mysticism of Christianity. He did, however, revere Jesus as a remarkably enlightened individual and seems to have believed that following the teachings of Jesus would lead a path to eternal salvation.
  
  Jefferson’s “reason” was unable to account for the supernatural events in the bible such as Jesus being the living God. Jefferson’s decision to follow his “reason” over “faith” would certainly have precluded him from being a Christian.
  
  In his last letter on June 26, 1826, Jefferson wrote: “May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”
  
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- alinmatt
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:29pm
  @keithwilson, did you even read the treaty before posting it? The money given to build a church and pay for a priest was a negotiated term of the treaty. The kaskaskia indians had already converted to Catholicism and wanted this as a part of the treaty. The treaty was nothing more than the compensation of the kaskaskia indians for their land and territory by the United States government. That’s does not qualify as the use of government funds for proselytizing.
  As far as Jefferson going to church at the Capitol, that doesn’t make him a Christian. In fact, I’d say it makes him an intelligent politician. When the majority of the people voting for you are Christians, you may want to make regular appearances in church.
  
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loneindividual
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:10pm
It’s the FRANKENSTEIN BIBLE!

It’s ALIVE!

Atheists have religion. Idiots & Liars.

Feeding, Breeding, & Artifice
Communism, Evolution, & Technology
Cannibalism, Master Race, & Machinations.

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- rochrealtor
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 6:24pm
  13ahh. where are you facts discrediting Barton. Lot’s of words no meat.
  
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caleejr
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:07pm
Jefferson Bible? What year …was it the one for the indians, or the one for his own personal use – both of which had just the red letter text of Jesus put in chronological order….

he only published one, and that was the one to the indians. history folks…history….

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- BlackBeaver
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:06pm
  Well said. Further, the 1804 work was published as follow- up to his signing into law acts in 1803 and 1804 which called for the United states government (yes, our government) to provide Christian ministry and teaching to the native Americans!
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:09pm
  I own the one that was compiled post-mortem (history version) after Jefferson died.
  
  I wasn’t aware of the version you posted about.
  
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searcher619
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:00pm
I LMAO whenever an Atheist thinks atheism is so much better for humanity. I then point to China and the Soviet Union. I point to eugenics whenever a supposed intellectual starts opening their ignorant mouths. Both speak as if their **** doesn’t stink.

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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:07pm
  Religion gave us the inquisition, jihad, salem witch trials, and many more wonderful periods in time. Get a grip pal. If you cant see religion as a divisive fact of life, you need to open your windows and go outside.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:13pm
  Freebie would take liquor to an AA meeting and talk his special crap. What, What’s the issue? Freebie, what was your moniker before Freebie?
  
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- loneindividual
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:23pm
  @ Freethought
  
  You’re describing anti-religious behavior….the attempt to create ONE WORLD RELIGION…which is anti-religion.
  
  More specifically, anti-Christian, anti-Mormon, & anti-Jew (I say Jew…cuz Semites includes more than Israelites)
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:27pm
  Lone. Yes i believe religion is the root of most of the evil in the world. Islam, christianity, judaism etc. it all needs to go. Jesus is my homie so im no worried about the outcome.
  
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- urrybr
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:50pm
  @Free Thought, it also helped many men to rise above their natural, carnel selves to become great human beings. Just remember that there are no atheists in a foxhole.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:33pm
  Im pretty sure i will never be in a foxhole.
  
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- qualityrkc
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:34pm
  No atheists in a foxhole? What an idiotic thing to say. Not only is it untrue but it lends credence to the idea that people are only religious out of fear.
  
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- Operator61
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 8:40pm
  @free thought, The things you mention are for the most part perversions of religions. Not the religions themselves. Many parts of Christianity are perverted by people to serve their own ends but by no means are they Christian. They are only called Christian by those who wish to detract from Christianity as a whole.
  
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- Operator61
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 8:50pm
  @Free thought, As I said before, Religion is not the root of all evil. It is the perversion of religion by ungodly men to suit their own desires. By the way atheism is also a religion, so is it the root of evil in your mind as well. Atheism has many denominations such as humanism, communism, nazism, hedonism etc.. these religions have caused the deaths of millions through out history as much as any, maybe even more. Christianity and Judaism when practiced as taught in their respective bibles have brought nothing but good, freedom and liberty to this world.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:07pm
  @Operator61
  
  In a debate and discussion, I wholly support everyone contributing their thoughts and opinions with great fervor and passion. What I hope for, but sadly cannot expect, is for people to not try and pass their opinions off as facts, that they’ll examine their posts for and reduce blatant bias, and be willing to at least question their own position when confronted with factual and empirical data that conflicts with it.
  
  Case in point:
  
  “Christianity and Judaism when practiced as taught in their respective bibles have brought nothing but good, freedom and liberty to this world.”
  
  Seriously? You are aware that God killed millions (including babies and children) in the flood because people pissed him off, right? You are aware that God commanded David to kill every man, woman, child and beast in villages He ordered David into, right? You are aware that God ‘helped’ Jacob deceive Isaac, right? You are aware that Jehovah condones slavery, right? You are aware that Christianity was the impetus for the murderous Spanish inquisition, the bloody Crusades, that it was used as a justification to murder native Americans not willing to convert to Christianity (or vacate their lands under Manifest Destiny), and that the Nazi army belt buckle said “God With Us,” right?
  
  Please: re-read your bible, and read some history.
  
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- Balpit
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:49pm
  Antireligion gave us the Holocaust, Communism, mass murders which resulted in millions dead, torture, executions of religious figures, suppression of free speech, suppression of religious freedom, and much more.
  
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- Cesium
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:55pm
  @URRYBR Wrong! There are only atheists in fox holes! Next time you are near fox hole in battle what use do you have for it? Is your faith inadequate to protect you? Your faith must be pretty weak to use a fox whole to protect you from bullets when the Lord supposedly has the power to do it. When Neo believed enough he stopped all the bullets sans fox hole. Fox hole= protection for atheists or hypocrite believers.
  
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SUNTZU
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:55pm
New American progressive believe what you want babble
Ch-1;Vs- 1
If it feels good,do it
Vs-2
if it dont feel good ,do it anyway,someone may like it.
Vs-3
Go back to vs-1
THE END

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Free_Thought
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:54pm
Jesus, moses and an old man are playin golf. Moses steps up and smashes his drive to the left and plunks it into the wayer hazard.

“No problem.”he says and parts the water, and nails a beautiful chip into the cup.

“Hey moses. Nice shot pal.” Said jesus

Jesus steps up to the tee and proceeds to drive his shot into the water as well.

“I got this.” He says with a sly smile.

He walks onto the water and chips his ball stright up and in the cup laughing at moses as he walks by.

The old man steps up shaking his head.

He then proceeds to send his teeshot into the water as jesus and moses laugh.

All of a sudden a bird crashes the water and pulls out a fish. The bird flies to the green and the fish promptly spits the ball into the hole.

“Hole in one!!!” Shouted the old man.

Jesus looks at moses and laughs and says “hey dad! Quit f**king around and lets just play golf ok?
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:07pm
  Freebie
  If you have to resort to replying to your own drivel, you may want to rethink your drivel. Or die. You pick.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:13pm
  Thanks fubared. Keep up the good work. You do work right?
- Kregneva
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:20pm
  Walkabout cannot answer authentically, just by cut & paste.
  
  The Walkabout team ONLY have data gleaned from the web, because, frankly, the smart one has never stepped foot in the USA or our possessions, and the stupid one has been to the Orlando area for a week (well, 6 nights). The smart one in unapologetic for the grammar mistakes of the stupid one, saying, “I choose to use various conventions of correct and colloquial English as it pleases me,” to which the room replies, WTFO? MLA, eh, wot?
  
  From time to time, the stupid one pretends to be a Portugee Brasilian, to show “empathy” with “non-whites.” Just another misrepresented factual detail from our ever changing cut & paste political pundit, social scientist, medical doctor, economist, female dress advisor and plagiarist clergyman.
  
  Walkabout, you are a fake “American-sounding“ provocateur set sitting in your Brisbane parlor trying to keep from typing ”whilst“ and ”behaviour” like the Aussie deadbeats you are. It is quite amusing when one of the WackRobotos loses its cool, go figya, cobba!
  
  But I digress. “WALKABOUT,” is the term most commonly used for an Aborigine worker who disappears in the middle of a work day, only to reappear several days later, as if nothing had happened, and with no explanation. It means someone who has zero accountability and no loyalty or or sense of teamwork. So we tanned ‘is hide when ‘e died, Clyde; an that’s it hang-in’ on the shed.
  
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- Kregneva
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:23pm
  Excellent comedy! Bravo! After fixing the spelling and grammar – they actually made sense as jokes too.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:33pm
  Sub contract actually. You do loaf, don’t you? I robo work, like your actual messiah, 0.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:47pm
  Kudos, now you can actually work on the free thought aspect and quit regurgitating failed lefty spew that comes on Daily Kos calenders.
  
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:39pm
They can send whatever they want in the way of their own Bible. But anything they modify in the way of someone else’s should be sent back C.O.D.

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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:54am
  That’s not how you spell Gandhi.
  
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Mudd
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:29pm
What, nothing from Grimm included in this?

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.rjk
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:29pm
why do atheist spend so much time on religion. they should be discussing the big bang or why the Mayans were wrong.

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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:46pm
  Hey– If you had no concept of a soul you might get a little freaky too. But I don’t know why they just can’t say it, accept it and get on with it. I suppose they feel left out.
  
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- Zeus is THE Lord
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:59pm
  Haaaaaa. If we could only cut loose those still mired in 12th-century thought, it’d be a better world.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:15pm
  @ZEUS
  
  How so?
  
  Studies show religious people are happier, more charitable and, if living their religion properly, very tolerant of other people beliefs.
  
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- LouieKelcher74
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 6:48pm
  @BROTHER_ED
  
  I guess you could say I’m agnostic but I couldn’t agree more with your statement. I personally think this world needs more religion and less zealotry. I probably have different reasons that you do but all in all, the religion haters are just hating: that’s hardly a healthy way to live.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 9:24pm
  @LOUIEKELCHER74
  
  I like that: “…more religion, less zealotry.”
  
  I think that sums it up perfectly!
  
  Jesus didn’t expect to convert everyone, neither do I.
  
  “Come, follow me” is an invitation. He would never compell anyone to do anything.
  
  Those of us who believe would do well to remember that, and I thank you for the reminder.
  
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Zeus is THE Lord
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:28pm
Many of The Founding Fathers, who the Baggage apparently worship unconditionally, believed in God but thought organized religion was poison. Much like the beloved Ayn Rand was an atheist. Happy contorting and twisting those facts, Baggage…

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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:44pm
  Did you know some other wanker is purporting that Zappa is the lord, and Zeus takes it like a goat in the ME and often? Can you two meet and sort out the crap, then get back to us as we are waiting for your next enlightening post like the return of the asian clap?
  
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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:50pm
  He can worship whatever he wants. Rand can decide whatever SHE wants. She is right about communism/Capitalism. Dead on. She grew up in it. If she wants to be an atheist, so be it. Who cares? Nobody. That’s the point. And she didn’t care that nobody cared. Good for her.
  
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- BlackBeaver
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:18pm
  Would you care to share specific evidence to back up your assertion? Just a hint: Washington, Adams and Jefferson were CLEARLY Christians, in spite of the lies you may have been taught. surely you will stipulate that.
  
  Rather than accept what some teacher or professor says, or what some textbook says, read the works of the Founding Fathers IN THEIR OWN WORDS!
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:23pm
What is the difference between an Atheist/Humanist of the kind at AHA, and a Communist?

Nothing.

Zip.

Zero.

Nada.

They both worship Man as god.

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- Zeus is THE Lord
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:26pm
  Yep. We live in the real world. You can predicate your life on myths and fiction…
- WildschweinJager
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:33pm
  @zoos
  
  I predicate my life on bacon and pork products. Not afraid of pork! How about you?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:34pm
  Suzy/Zeus
  You sure do like to hear and see your special brand of crap huh? Piss on off to a more friendly troll type site and take meteors with you for company.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:43pm
  I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- woodyee
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:46pm
  Thank you for concurring, Zeus. Your god (Man) is responsible for the deaths of more people (mostly their own) in the 20th Century alone, than in all “religious” wars since “Man” began taking notes.
  
  Yet, he still can’t explain how he begot something (the Universe) out of nothing, save to say it was a big explosion. If that’s the case, I’ve created more Liberals in my toilet bowl than….
  
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- Zeus is THE Lord
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:58pm
  Woodyee, I realize you’ve been instructed by the Holy Trinity of Rush/Sean/Glenn to believe it’s a black-and-white world with nothing but good and evil, conservatives and liberals, but it’s a grey world…and I’m not a liberal. I’m a centrist…
  
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- WildschweinJager
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:27pm
  @zoos
  
  Do you denounce mohamad?
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:19pm
  Why is this a grey world?
  
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- qualityrkc
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:45pm
  Perfectly said free…Every Christian is more like an atheist than they may see or believe. Only thing separating us is that they believe in one more god than we do out of thousands. So true that once they understand why they don’t believe in other religions they will be able to begin to understand why we don’t believe in theirs. Unfortunately this very apt analysis will fall on deaf ears and will be seen as aggression towards them rather than actually helping them understand atheism. Either way, good job.
  
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- Zeus is THE Lord
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:57pm
  Wild, do I denounce Mohamad? Haven’t you been paying attention? ALL religion is poison, so yes, I denounce Mohamad. You Christian conservatives have this notion that if one doesn’t believe in the Christian God then that means they worship Mohamad or Allah. Frankly, Jesus as a philosopher is very worthwhile, it’s the mythology and dogma that I can’t follow…
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:15pm
  @WOODYEE
  
  This post of yours is ridiculous, and puts your willful lack of knowledge on full display. Though many atheists are communists/leftists/Marxists etc, that does not mean all of them are. In fact, I know many an atheist who are paleo-libertarians/anarchocapitalists/voluntaryists. We’re about as far from communist as it gets. You might do well to try and put more substance in your posts than relying on paper-thin assertions.
  
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:20pm
A press release announcing the new book claims that it also includes edited versions of the Hebrew Bible, the Koran,………………..the Koran !!!!!…………………..How is Mein Führer Obama going to splain this to The Muslim DiaperHood when they come for their monthly visit ???? An EDITED version of their Book of Toilet Paper !!!! You got some splaining to do, Lucy !!!!

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Locked
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:17pm
Most Congresscritters don’t even read the bills they vote on. I highly doubt they’ll take time to read a compilation of world religions’ greatest hits.

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ResistSocialism
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:13pm
And these atheists actually expect Congress people to read it!? These atheists are behind the times. Congress doesn’t even read the laws they vote.

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- pdw
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:20pm
  Lucifer can quote scripture to his own benefit. Like all writings when taken out of context they can mean completely different things. There is an old saying about kicking at the ******. The only persons it hurts is the one kicking.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:26pm
  @PDW
  
  “Lucifer can quote scripture to his own benefit. Like all writings when taken out of context they can mean completely different things. ”
  
  … like the title Lucifer? Hint: that’s not one of Satan’s names. It’s a title for Christ in Revelation, and a reference to a Babylonian king with a fondness for shiny jewels.
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:54pm
  Locked, – Lucifer? Hint: that’s not one of Satan’s names. It’s a title for Christ in Revelation, and a reference to a Babylonian king with a fondness for shiny jewels.
  
  Can I ask where you got that idea?
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:39pm
  @Blacktooth
  
  “Can I ask where you got that idea?”
  
  I study the Bible, and have been especially interested in the mistranslations and errors of the KJV. There are numerous other problems (“Hell” being one of them), but Lucife ris a rather agreed-upon case among most theologians.
  
  The name “Lucifer” is used only once, in Isaiah 14:12, but it was taken from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate. Jerome translated the word (helel, meaning “shining” or “light-bearing” ) as “Lucifer” to refer to the “Morning Star (Venus)”. By the time the KJV came around, however, Lucifer had become synonymous to “Satan.” But Isaiah is talking about a king of Babylon, not the devil, as is obvious in verse 4. A Babylonian king was raising himself up as more important than all mortal kings and God Himself, and thus incurred God’s wrath, who threw him from his splendor like the falling star of Venus… a flowery way of putting it, but accurate.
  
  The passage, taken FAR out of context later became the basis of calling Satan “Lucifer,” ignoring the Babylonian king entirely, and claiming Lucifer was a fallen angel who rose in rebellion against Heaven… none of which is mentioned in the Bible but which was incredibly popular among early Christians… and still is today.
  
  “Morning Star” is a title given to Christ in Revelation (2:28 (Greek = proinos + aster) and 22:16 (Greek = orthrinos + aster), and is, you’ll note, the same “title” given to “Lucifer.”
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:42pm
  Locked,
  
  Re: Lucifer – This “name” is from a Latin root meaning “light; illumination”. This does not accurately describe Satan the Devil, who only emits darkness and lies to all mankind.
  There are two individuals mentioned in the Bible, Christians, with the name Lucius which means “light, illumination.” – Acts 13:1-3, Romans 16:21.
  However Satan is not named in the Holy Scriptures (he does not deserve a name), he only has disgusting titles.
  “Satan” (resistor) is a title that describes his resistance to the True God Jehovah.
  “Devil” (slanderer) also is a title indicating his slander against God’s Sovereignty, his right to rule over all things.
  
  And finally, our Lord Jesus Christ does not bear the name “Lucifer” in Revelation. Nor does the name “Lucifer” even appear in the Holy Scriptures.
  
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:51pm
  Locked,
  
  Understood, thank you.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:57pm
  No problem, glad to chat. I like the explanation you listed for why Lucifer doesn’t make sense (even poetically) as a title for the devil!
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:12pm
  @LOCKED
  
  Isaiah is indeed referring to the King if Babylon, but he is comparing the king to Satan.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:34pm
  @Brother_ed
  
  “Isaiah is indeed referring to the King if Babylon, but he is comparing the king to Satan.”
  
  While I appreciate the tradition that says this, it certainly is nothing more than an extreme interpretation that does not follow what the Bible actually says. Satan (and the devil) is a solid concept in the Bible, but Lucifer as the devil, a war in heaven, etc… that’s not in Isaiah.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 6:39pm
  @LOCKED
  
  It is, however, in The Revelation of Saint John.
  
  I do not wish to contend, both Isaiah & Revelation are difficult for me to understand, but I do see allusions to Lucifer as the Devil, and also as the instigator for the war in heaven.
  
  You may see it differently, due to your studies. I’m fine with that.
  
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TIMEBOMB
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:12pm
I swear to myself I wish people would quit sending me bibles and other gifts,I know you want to please me but really a bible? Hello I”m a Marxist so by definition I’m an atheist. I just told the simpletons I’m a Christian to get elected,I also married a beard to make the idiots think I’m heterosexual. Ole pops told me it would be easy to fool you since you’re so stupid but even I was surprised when you morons reelected me. I still can’t stop laughing over that one,I must say you made it easy for me though and I will make sure to repay you by plunging you into a depression so awful you’ll be fighting for food and violence will be commonplace,until I crush it in spectacular fashion.Praise be to me BHO.

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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:17pm
  Forgive them, Your Majesty. They no not what they do.
  
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- WildschweinJager
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:23pm
  Hey, enjoy that 7 million dollar vacation at our taxpaying expense.
  
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- TIMEBOMB
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:32pm
  I will,me and my beard ie the first cow will love it,I wish I had a young muscular man to cuddle with but I’m stuck with the first cow. I’ve suffered so much for my subjects,oh well my pops Lucifer will reward me when I rejoin him in hell.
  
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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:41pm
  Cavallo
  
  Unfortunately, they know exactly what they are doing…it is the quickening! Maranatha!
  
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- kahieb
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:27pm
  No book? Ok then, how ’bout I send you my bedside waste basket. I’m just getting over a nasty cold and you can probably use the tissue’s found therein. Maybe a little bed time snack or sumpin…
  
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:10pm
This is actually humorous—–
“Atheist, humanists and their non-believing bedfellows ”

■ Atheist = the rejection of belief in the existence of deities

■ Humanist = A system of thought that rejects religious beliefs and centers on humans and their values

■ Non-believers = Redundant. See first 2 above.

So why the need to introduce a “Bible” to swear on something you proclaim not to believe?

The transparent GUILE here is hilarious.

■ Guile = trickery, duplicity, or deceptive cunning.

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Cavallo
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:08pm
AHA might have more balls than other State worshiping sycophants. They actually desecrated and mocked the Koran. Does the Muslims know this? How does Ellison feel about this? Someone ask him!

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:14pm
  @CAVALLO
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:08pm
  AHA might have more balls than other State worshiping sycophants.
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  Nah. They’re all liars.
  
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john vincent
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:05pm
Hers a wild guess: a watered version of already thinly veiled spirituality, with a view to encommpassing all religions, taking away the sting of ‘sin,’ and further making man the creator. Wow, I really stepped out on a limb.

But I want to hear Obama saying to God:

‘YOU didn’t build that tree….’

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WhiteFang
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:05pm
The devil is very busy.

Sadly, millions of people buy into his treachery, lies and deceptions. – 1 John 5:19

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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:30pm
  Despite the stated intent of the 1804 version being “for the Use of the Indians,” there is no record of this or its successor being used for that purpose. Although the government long supported Christian activity among Indians,[24][25] and in Notes on the State of Virginia Jefferson supported “a perpetual mission among the Indian tribes,” at least in the interest of anthropology,[26] and as President sanctioned financial support for a priest and church for the Kaskaskia Indians, [27] Jefferson did not make these works public. Instead, he acknowledged “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth” existence only to a few friends, saying that he read it before retiring at night, as he found this project intensely personal and private.[28]
  
  It is understood by some historians that he composed it for his own satisfaction, supporting the Christian faith as he saw it. Gaustad states, “The retired president did not produce his small book to shock or offend a somnolent world; he composed it for himself, for his devotion, for his assurance, for a more restful sleep at nights and a more confident greeting of the mornings
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  But some atheists not all intend to shock & get in people’s faces.
  
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- rochrealtor
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 6:34pm
  walkabout, He did it to teach morals to the college kids, for he knew it needed to be perpetual for civilization and the country to exist.
  
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WildschweinJager
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:03pm
Send it back to them.

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:11pm
  Burn them and have a wienie roast [imbibe whatever meaning you wish here]
  
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NSDQ
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:03pm
They could send him Dianetics and Porn for all I care. He’s a zealot of the Alinsky Church.

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SamIamTwo
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:01pm
I’d like to have the money that went into that wasteful effort. The Muslims are gonna getcha!!

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opb
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:01pm
Great idea! Atheists editing Bible and Book of Mormon. (Sarcasm) …. BTW The Koran is NOT a Holy Book.

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- Remember_Benghazi
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:26pm
  It’s just as holy as The Bible or the Book of Mormon. They’re all equal glimpses into the Untrue and they’re all plagiarisms of an original Untruth, commonly referred to as The Torah.
  
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The-Monk
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:00pm
Atheists delivering Bibles and Scriptures????

Sounds like vegetarians serving meat.

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:15pm
  I agree, what in the world are they doing?
  
  Why are they promoting superstitious mumbo jumbo?
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:16pm
  Hi MONK, That about sums it up. Why would they bother, if they did not enjoy jamming their thumb in one’s eye?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:23pm
  Aside from Maude-is-beastly, well said.
  
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- HolyCannoli
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:17pm
  Spot on Monk!
  
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00100111
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 1:58pm
That should be wonderful kindling for a warm fire on a cold DC night.

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- WildschweinJager
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:06pm
  Careful, don’t what to have another Benghazi due to BBQ’d kore-ran.
  
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- BasketFullOfPuppies
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:06pm
  Why would I pay someone, to allow me to haul off their garbage, for them?
  
  Firewood is cheaper, anyway.
  
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- WildschweinJager
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:08pm
  Might start having muslims exploding themselves all over the place….
  
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