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Patriotic Group Allegedly Removes Christ From Material and Tells Members to Stop Praying in Jesus’ Name

Jan. 3, 2013 10:25am Billy Hallowell

Some members of The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR), a non-profit women’s organization devoted to promoting patriotism, are outraged over some purported changes that the group has made to its official book. According to a subset of DAR devotees, all references and mentions of Jesus Christ have been removed from the book. Additionally, poems and prayers have been axed, with members allegedly being told to refrain from praying in Christ’s name.

The debate over these changes has been going on now for more than a year after a revised version of DAR’s Ritual and Missal books was published in Dec. 2011. This book, the primary guide for chaplains to follow, is sparking quite a bit of angst among members who stand firmly opposed to the removal of Christ from the group’s practices.

“A group of us went through the Ritual and Missal and compared the old version and the new version,” one member told Fox News Todd Starnes. “Every single prayer closing in the name of Jesus Christ no longer included the name of Jesus Christ.”

Daughters of the American Revolution Outraged Over Alleged Jesus Removal From Ritual and Missal books

Photo Credit: Daughters of the American Revolution

After 122 years of Christianity serving a central role on DAR, some members are dumbfounded by these alleged changes, accusing the organization of making an inappropriate and historically-inaccurate effort to be more politically correct. Rather than mentioning Jesus’ name, the goal is apparently set on being more inclusive and welcoming to non-Christians who wish to join DAR. The alleged directive has some members who believe that faith is a central pillar of the organization’s history up in arms.

Some of these outraged members spoke with Starnes anonymously about their feelings and concerns. From ignoring the Founding Fathers to rewriting history, they are waging pointed charges against DAR leadership over its handling of the Ritual and Missal books.

“They are changing the legacy and intent of the Founding Ladies and rewriting the history of the Daughters of the American Revolution,” one member said. “How dare they? They’re supposed to be doing it out of inclusion. To me, it’s exclusion.”

But according to Starnes’ sources, removals of Jesus weren’t the only noteworthy exclusions. DAR also reportedly left out an oath to the U.S. Constitution, a pledge to the American flag and hymns that reference God. Members claim that the organization claimed to accidentally cut these and pledged to include them in future publications.

A petition was launched in an effort to garner support for reversing these changes. So far, very few people have signed on to support the move, but the information the petition provides about the dilemma is intriguing. Here’s just a portion of it:

Unacceptable changes have been made by the current NSDAR Administration to two small NSDAR books known as theRitual and the Missal. The Ritual was authorized by the Forty-third Continental Congress in 1934 for use in conducting formal ceremonies. The Missal dates back to the very founding of the NSDAR and copies have been collected and passed down from one generation to another as treasured books of meditations and prayers…While most of these contributions were Christian, there were also alternate rituals and prayers included for the non-Christian members of NSDAR.

The problem is not that the books have been combined, which was authorized by the Executive Committee in October 2011, but rather rests in the new book’s promotion and sanctioning of anti-Jesus and anti-Christian attitudes by simply eliminating the actual name of Jesus and all Christian symbols, which were dear to our patriot ancestors and the founding ladies of NSDAR…Now, members are forced to make a choice: Which is more important, standing up for the name of Jesus and for what your forefathers and the founding ladies of the NSDAR truly believed, or going-along-to-get-along in order to maintain one’s own personal status and standing in the NSDAR? For many members, the NSDAR has been their life’s work, so what should be an obvious choice, is not always the case. In addition to the religious aspect of these books, patriotic omissions are also alarming.

While some members say they approached leaders to speak about the changes, they were purportedly dismissed on the basis of a need for more inclusiveness.

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“The response from the leadership was one of being inclusive and being sensitive to non-Christians and other beliefs,” another member explained, apparently hinting at the notion that a member vote on the changes was not taken. “The minority rules instead of the majority.”

DAR has a devoted membership base, considering that the group is open to any woman who can prove that she is a descendant of a patriot from the American Revolution. So rather than being bound by ideological constructs, those who join are also tied historically and through a bloodline to the nation’s founding. Currently, 170,000 women are a part of DAR.

(H/T: Fox News’ Todd Starnes)

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Comments (180)

schroeder123
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:02am
Find out who suggested this and who want’s it implemented and Fire Them.

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- NHwinter
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:18am
  They have just brought about their own demise.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:39am
  “Patriotic Group Allegedly Removes Christ From Material and Tells Members to Stop Praying in Jesus’ Name”
  
  Oxymoron.
  
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- USNVET66-70
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:44am
  Their pleas for funds go in the trash
  
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- Miguelito
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 12:04pm
  Because of their choice God will remove his protection! It’s in the Bible. DAR history has been eraised like American History.
  
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- NigelTufnel
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 12:14pm
  Hi Chad!
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:01pm
  “Barack knows we’re going to have to change our traditions, change our history…”
  
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- Truthbeliever2
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:35pm
  DAR, WAS a group who represented the LAST revolution. There is a new revolution taking place right here in our time. They are simply using the same initials to front and support the new one. America and everything it used to stand for is DYING and will soon be DEAD.
  
  When I was growing up I was so proud to be an American. Now I couldn’t care less about this country or the people who live in it.
  I realize that 80% of the population is made up of ignorant complacent sheep who care more about getting along than standing up for freedom, and individuality. I realize there is nothing left to fight for except my family and my loved ones. The true rulers of the world have an iron grip on us now, and there is nothing this country’s people will do except submit and bend knee to their master’s. I realize this because revolutions are supposed to be bloody. The blood that should be spilling would signify a populace who really cares about freedom and liberty. There is no blood spilling and no wars being fought to salvage freedom and liberty. The populace is just standing idly by while the dirt bags in Washington strap us down with invisible chains. That is how I know this countries freedoms and liberties are a thing of the past. It’s obvious.
  
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- Mike Austin
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 5:51pm
  Time to live up to your heritage. FIGHT or be a slave to liberal ideals and forsake what your ancestors fought for.
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 7:02pm
  I’m actually a DAR (Descendant of Benjamin Harrison, Governor of Virginia and signer of the Declaration of Independance with William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison who served as presidents) and I chose long ago NEVER to join those harpies! As a Christian woman I see I made the correct choice.
  
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- girlnurse
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:04pm
  TRUTHBELIEVER2…you’re absolutely right! Sadly….sigh..
  
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:57am
I’ll start the “outing” party. Lets help these fine ladies:

http://www.dar.org/natsociety/whoweare.cfm

http://www.dar.org/natsociety/execs.cfm
The DAR Executive Committee is made up of twelve executive officers. The 2010-2013 officers are:

Merry Ann Thompson Wright
President General

Beverly Woodruff Jensen
First Vice President General

Laura Marcella Reid
Chaplain General

Lynn Forney Young
Recording Secretary General

Sally Napier Bueno
Corresponding Secretary General

Jean Dixon Mann
Organizing Secretary General

Sarah Potts Voll
Treasurer General

Patricia Eddy Carpenter
Registrar General

Ann Arnold Hunter
Historian General

Joan MacInnes Hunter
Librarian General

Beverly Dardene West
Curator General

Jean Whatley Vaughan
Reporter General

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- 123456beatriz
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:09am
  For me all those “ladies” can go to Hell
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:20am
  Im referring to helping the ladies who wish to keep the traditional charter
  not the PC executives listed above who changed everything.
  
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- ambarro
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:37pm
  This is incorrect. I am a member of DAR and also a chaplain. We have NEVER been told to stop praying in Jesus’ name. The DAR does more good than you would ever realize. Maybe you should check your facts before you say that the ladies of this organization should be removed in a body bag. You should be ashamed of yourself. http://members.dar.org/content/announcements/?ID=1648
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:47pm
  @AMBARRO
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:37pm
  Maybe you should check your facts before you say that the ladies of this organization should be removed in a body bag.
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  Dont see this statement made by anyone except you.
  I have no doubt its a fine Org full of fine people that does alot of good.
  I never implied otherwise.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:50pm
  @AMBARRO
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:37pm
  This is incorrect. I am a member of DAR and also a chaplain. We have NEVER been told to stop praying in Jesus’ name. The DAR does more good than you would ever realize. Maybe you should check your facts before you say that the ladies of this organization should be removed in a body bag. You should be ashamed of yourself. http://members.dar.org/content/announcements/?ID=1648
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  Alright so according to the link you placed in your post this STORY as published on The Blaze
  is INCORRECT and there is no issue.
  No problems then.
  
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SamIamTwo
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:56am
And Jesus said, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Mark 13:13

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- daniel3839
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:05am
  Exactly. This organization just died. Any Christian should walk away and never support it again out of respect for their beliefs. What a disgrace. The MUSLIMS will love them for it as they smile with the devil, drooling for the day to take away all the freedom from this nation and turn us all into slaves of Allah. The atheists are setting us all up for it.
  
  All the cowards that bow to PC that is.
  
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- Lachoneous
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 1:11pm
  I am tired of everyone just surrendering these institutions to atheists and Muslims! Why won’t we fight to keep these organizations? If there are enough true descendants of our forefathers, let them take back the organization. How is the board chosen? Good people have to stand up and fight for what is right.
  
  The enemy’s plan: infiltrate, get into positions of leadership, eject and reject the original members, and then bury the organization once it has no real purpose any more. .We see this happening all over America. Christian organizations forced to take atheists, the immoral, enemies of Christianity, etc. When will we fight back? I only have two cheeks, and I have turned them both!
  
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- girlnurse
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:08pm
  SAMIAMTWO: So right! Keep the faith people…keep strong in Jesus name. It’s all (bible) coming to fruition now like never before….But that doesn’t mean we should be passive and not take a stand!
  
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COFemale
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:55am
All hail Obama, Obama our new messiah – In a pigs eye.

I could be a member of DAR and actually had thought about submitting the proof needed to become a member. Now I have decided until they put God and Jesus back into the ceremonies, I will not become a member. My first relative came over in 1658 and had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, Spanish-American War etc.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:10am
  Just think, now WANGO and ENCINOM will be able to join.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:33am
  RJJINGADSDEN, hey don’t leave me out. Someday I’ll achieve the status of WANGO and ENCINOM, I know it’s a high bar but I believe in myself.
- 00100111
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:03pm
  Simple, don’t bother. You’ve already failed at life. You’re a liberal.
  
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- Lexxietrails
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:49pm
  I have been a member since 2001, having served in several offices from Regent to stand-in Chaplain. I can tell you that all this fuss is truly unnecessary. The President General states that “The allegation has been leveled that Chaplains and others have been told not to pray in the name of Jesus Christ. This is an absolute falsehood. We have in no way mandated that one must or must not use the name of Jesus Christ in the prayers. For those wishing to access prayers, songs, poems, etc. from past Rituals and Missals, they have all previously been posted to the website and are available for use by all members.”
  To those making rude comments about this wonderful organization, I can only reply that you do not know what you are talking about. Your comments are totally uncalled for and unacceptable. I am proud to call myself a member. We promote patriotism, love of God and love of country; as well as education and historical preservation. Do the research before you make comments. Do not believe everything you read or hear in the media.
  
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kadster01
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:55am
That’s a very bizarre turn of events. There has to be me more to this story.

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- From Virginia
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 7:10pm
  The “more” to the story is probably a member who felt “excluded” or “offended” by the prayers and complained. The “complaint” was probably followed up by a letter from the FFRF.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:40am
  Moderation you only further the example of your ignorance the Christianity by posting more dripple.
  Your post clearly have state your beliefs that Christian look down on non-Christians. That is clearly not the case in the majority of those who believe the word. Further more it points to a self-loathing mental disorder with in yourself. A another example of the leftist ideology of it’s always someone elses fault. aka I’m not wrong in not believeing in Christ Christian are wrong in believeing in Christ.
  For all your atheisty claims of enlightenment,deversity,acceptance and tolerence……You sure can’t tell it by your ignorance,denial,bigotry and intolerance towards that which you do understand or disagree with…
  And for all your anti-Christian rhetoric I bet you accept your paid christmas vacation,Christmas bonus and say zero about your cohort anti-religious teachers and government workers getting paid vacation and bonuses for a religous holiday.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:03pm
  Free thought,
  Who ever said Christians dismiss all other Gods. Or that there was only one religious road to heaven.Christianity itself is broken up into multiple sub-religious section….Jesus never said that. He said “I’m am the light and all that believe in me shall not parish but have ever lasting life” That Light is LOVE and all religions that teach there follwers to love(in the spiritual sense not the physical” are roads to the same destination. Spirtual Love of your fellow man in all forms is always good alway moral aways righteous.
  
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loveoursoldiers
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:55am
another brick in the wall toward the Muslimization of America
Christians are under attack.. it is becoming more obvious every day.. and it is centrally controlled not just a coincidence.. the giant squid’s tentacles are reaching out and ridding our country of anything it dislikes

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:59am
  Al Gore is doing his part after his invention of the internet
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:08am
  And everyone thinks the Holy War will be fought in the Middle East,,,,,News Flash it’s here and the propaganda before the conflict is being distributed by our government…….Onward Christian Soldiers…..the battle is about to begin…….Question how do we kill an enemy when killing is a sin. Would Christ want us to die rather than become embrace war.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:25am
  @NAUGHTYCAL
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:08am
  Question how do we kill an enemy when killing is a sin. Would Christ want us to die rather than embrace war.
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  When your life, the lives of your family and freedom are at stake you have every right to defend same.
  God does not expect you to stand there and smile while your family is slaughtered.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:43am
  For how much you people say you can’t wait for this world to end, so you can be with Jesus, you sure do love your lives.
  
  I love the average, every day hypocritical Christian.
  
  You could do an awesome case study on how a human being can live day to day being such an obvious hypocrite.
  
  Do they know they’re being a hypocrite?
  Do they eve care?
- barber2
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:57am
  Moderation ( ha ) is doing the Alinsky # 10: Hold your opponents up to their Christian standards which you do not share and they can not hope to achieve. Rules for Radicals ! The only” rules ” they follow.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 12:04pm
  Moderation, . . . there is truth to that. Christians “want to be with Jesus SO bad . . . and even hate this world…”, . . . yet they will fight to protect their human life like it really IS the only one they have.
  
  Here’s an interesting look at “the saints” in the book of Revelations. Martyred, in the presence of their god [which should be an overwhelmingly awesome experience filled with joy unspeakable], . . . yet they whine to god about “when god is going to venge their deaths”. It actually reads more like a person, in prison, seeing Roman occupation, hearing about the death of his “brothers”, . . . and being entirely human by “wishing death upon his enemies”. In other words, the words of just a simple man in a time of war, writing what he “wished would happen to him and all his aggressors”. No different than today, wishing you had superpowers so you “could have stopped the crime that happened against people who you see dead on your TV screen”.
- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 12:58pm
  @DEAVONREYE
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:39am
  Freedom of speech. Unless you want to work to dismantle that Ammendment?
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  Your accusatory posture is quite revealing. Im not “working” to dismantle any “Amendment”.
  
  God doesnt need an attorney and Im certainly not up to the job. Your presence here by itself
  indicates your intentions. It doesnt take intelligence above that of an insect to figure out that
  this is a conservative site and most of the members here will be traditional people of faith who
  have gathered together to comment and discuss matters of importance to them.
  
  Knowing that, you come here to purposely incite and in typical atheistic style cry “freedom of speech”. People here have come to a site to congregate with like-minded individuals —unlike you.
  There are plenty of websites that cater to the Godless and God hating crowd that you belong to.
  Why dont you go to one of them and congregate with those that despise God? I’lll help you by
  giving you a few:
  http://www.atheistforums.com/
  
  atheistforums.org/
  
  ravingatheists.com/forum/
  
  http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/
  
  http://www.happyatheistforum.com/
  
  This previous post of yours was very instructive:
  
  “I was a humbly sincere christian for many years, . . . but after years of silence and emptiness from this “god”, I came to the conclusion that there must not even BE “a god” to get any “bless
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 1:05pm
  Moderation,
  I wouldn’t expect someone without faith to even comprehend what it is and what the word of Christ actually mean. You can’t it’s above your head and below your knees in other words out of your reach.
  Being Christian isn’t about being perfect it’s about STRIVING to be a better person. No one is without sin NO ONE . Christianity is about the next phase after moderation you know trying to stop all together. Does that mean because you find Christ you’ll never faulter hardly. Man is a creature of habits some good some bad as a person of faith I’m trying to stop bad habits….some are hard some not so hard.
  Will I wake up one day perfect NO , but that’s fine if I were perfect there would be no more room to grow as a person and a christian. Kind of like if everything was always good ….how would you know with nothing bad to gauge it against. We need to stumble to remind us that we have to pick ourselves up everyday a try that much harder.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:04pm
  i contend that we are all atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- HYPNOTOAD
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:17pm
  NAUGHTYCAL watch out, your ignorance is showing. There is a difference between killing and murder. God sent the Israelites into Canen to KILL the people there to take their land. Over and over again God has had the Israelites wipe out their enemies. God is not a hypocrite, He does not oppose killing. Try reading His Word with the help of the Holy Spirit and the veil might be lifted from your eyes.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:23pm
  @NAUGHTYCAL
  
  Oh, it’s the old “well you’re not a Christian so you don’t understand” nonsense.
  
  The fact is, I do understand and I hardly see anybody on here actually trying to better themselves and stop being a hypocrite.
  
  Case in point, I have Christian friends who call Mormonism a cult……yet they won’t call Christianity a cult.
  
  Unlike you people, I can’t knowingly be a hypocrite, which is why I turned away from Christianity.
  
  After going off and on to an Evangelical church, I looked at it objectively and realized that the whole idea of religion, faith, and eternal worship was a hideous idea filled with horrible ideas.
  
  For instance, I recently had a friend say that ANYTHING done outside of Christ will provide no worth.
  
  So the atheist who decides to rescue someone from a burning building, is WORTHLESS and is meaningless because they did it outside of Jesus.
  
  The doctor who cures a horrible disease, did nothing of worth because they aren’t a worshiper of Jesus.
  
  Do you realize how evil a statement that is?
  
  Probably not, because you likely agree with it.
  
  It’s the “well you’ve done a lot of great things for humanity, but you don’t believe in Jesus, therefore you are destined for an eternity of punishment” aspect of Christianity that sickens me.
  
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- cantstandlibs
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:05pm
  @moderation: You make vapid arguments and like to call people names. You seem like an adolescent in the range of 16 to 20 who has just begun to rebel against authority. Were you older and wiser, in my not-so-humble-opinion, you would realize that 1) the belief in the concept of a loving God is more importants than what precise picture of God you choose to hold. 2) Everyone is hypocritical to some degree, has unresolved conflicts in beliefs and actions, and is selfish to some degree. 3) Everyone has the right to their beliefs and name-callers like you contribute practically nothing. There is also fault in each of us, so finding that fault, while not so difficult, does not make you the automatic winner of any argument.
  
  If you are an athiest, you don’t represent them very well. I’ve seen far more compelling output from athiests, even though they seem to be devoid of any bedrock of a value system.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 4:43pm
  MODERATIONISBEST
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:23pm
  It’s the “well you’ve done a lot of great things for humanity, but you don’t believe in Jesus, therefore you are destined for an eternity of punishment” aspect of Christianity that sickens me.
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  You cant EARN IT or BUY IT pal. Doesnt work that way.
  
  “But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
  and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty”
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 7:17pm
  @Naughtycal – killing in a war is not a sin – murder is.
  
  Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 (KJV)
  1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
  2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
  3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
  4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
  5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
  6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
  7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
  8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:11pm
  ‘For instance, I recently had a friend say that ANYTHING done outside of Christ will provide no worth.’
  
  And yet you claim to understand God’s word…you don’t…
  
  Ephesians 2:8-9 ‘For it is by “grace” you have been saved, through “faith”—and this “is not” from yourselves, it is the gift of God—”not by works”…so that no one can boast.
  
  His word can not be any clearer…”Not By Works”…
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:15pm
  @BODYBAG
  
  I don’t “WANT IT” but thanks. You go on accepting human sacrifices on your behalf.
  
  That’s what’s so detestable about your faith.
  
  Your “loving” God views the serial killer who doesn’t believe in him, and the humanitarian who doesn’t believe in him, the exact same way.
  
  Therefore, even if your God exists, which I think is highly unlikely, I would never voluntarily worship it.
  
  The idea of everlasting praise and worship seems a little excessive and unnecessary doesn’t it? What type of supernatural entity, needs constant praise and adoration? What a petty, egotistical and self centered creature your God is.
  
  @CANTSTANDLIBS
  So wait, in the process of calling my points vapid and saying I’m like an adolescent for calling people names……you make vapid arguments and call me names. Good way to argue.
  
  You are right, everyone is hypocritical. I never said that people weren’t hypocritical. It’s the people who don’t try to stop being a hypocrite that annoy me.
  
  The majority of Christians on here and in America are unrelenting hypocrites in their daily lives and do nothing to try to change that.
  
  Keep on spouting your nonsense, one day your God will be viewed like the God’s of the past….to never have existed in the first place.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:48pm
  ‘The majority of Christians on here and in America are unrelenting hypocrites in their daily lives and do nothing to try to change that.’
  
  Just because someone claims Christianity, it does not make them a Christian. There are millions who say ‘I’m a Christian’ that have not had their Great Awakening…yet. I know many of them, personally…and it makes me wince at times. There is nothing more difficult than to watch people in self destruct mode, and it is going on all around us.
  
  Luke 17:28 ‘It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.’
  
  Luke 17:30 ‘It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.’
  
  …much of mankind IS asleep…
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:34am
  @THEGRTDCPTN
  
  You proved my point, you agree with my friend that anything done outside of Christ will provide no worth.
  
  That is an EVIL philosophy to live by.
  
  Also, don’t come at me with the “well they’re not TRUE Christians” garbage.
  
  My friends are Christian through and through. Years in the church, serving in missions, etc and they follow the same nonsense that you people preach on here.
  
  My friend said she wouldn’t vote for Romney because he is a Mormon. She calls Mormonism a “cult” yet doesn’t view her own religion as a cult(a sentiment which I’ve seen said on here).
  
  Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice. You worship that a human sacrifice can wipe you clean of your “sins.” It’s pure nonsense and evil preachment.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:00am
  ‘That is an EVIL philosophy to live by.’
  
  John 3:16 ‘For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.’
  
  John 13:34 ‘A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.’
  
  Evil…?!…hardly…
  
  Take a good look around if you want to see EVIL. It is fallen, sinful MAN that aborts full term babies upon their birth by stabbing scissors into their necks, and why…?!…because they may be an INCONVENIENCE…or perhaps they’re just put in an isolated room…left to DIE. We also have MAN deciding when the elderly have surpassed their usefulness, so they are denied any further medical care, as well as NO food/water until they expire. We have murders taking place on a DAILY basis, with some quoting they just wanted to know ‘how it felt to kill’. We have physical and sexual abuse of woman, children and elderly on a DAILY basis, children chained to beds and STARVED to death, by their PARENT(S)…elderly being physically and sexually assaulted in nursing homes, and the abuse of CHILDREN in child pornography. We have robberies, be it home invasions, banks, carjackings or the new wave of teen groups going into stores and taking what they feel entitled to…and if they happen upon someone they deem worthy of their rage, they attack them.
  
  And the list goes on…and on…and on…
  
  DO NOT tell me that belief in Christ is EVIL…
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:10am
  ‘Also, don’t come at me with the “well they’re not TRUE Christians” garbage.’
  
  ‘My friends are Christian through and through.’
  
  Care to point out where I inferred that your friends were not Christians…?! I replied to YOUR comment of…
  
  ‘The majority of Christians on here and in America are unrelenting hypocrites in their daily lives and do nothing to try to change that.’
  
  Take off your tunnel vision glasses…life is NOT all about YOU…
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:37am
  @THEGRTDCPTN
  
  So you God created a system in which a human had to be sacrificed? What a “loving” God.
  
  If you follow the disgusting notion of “original sin” I am born worthy of an eternal punishment…..a punishment that God knew about beforehand, and only by accepting that a human sacrifice was necessary, can I avoid such torture. You call that “love?”
  
  Actually, in my first post I gave an example of hypocritical Christians, in the forms of my friends.
  
  You then responded with something along the lines of, “there are plenty of people who claim they are Christians, but aren’t”
  
  So therefore I am completely justified when I use them as an example of people who I think actually are Christian, but are being unrelenting hypocrites.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:03pm
  ‘If you follow the disgusting notion of “original sin”
  
  ‘You call that “love?”
  
  Do you call what MAN does ‘love’…?! I DON’T…
  
  ‘So therefore I am completely justified when I use them as an example of people who I think actually are Christian’
  
  Part of YOUR quote…’Christians on here and in America’
  
  Your reply to ME…‘Also, don’t come at me with the “well they’re not TRUE Christians” garbage.’
  
  ‘My friends are Christian through and through.’
  
  Sorry, but you do not get to define what my words mean. You directly accused me of implying your friends were not Christians, I did no such thing…regardless of what you’ve posted about them.
  
  Your lying is not justified…
  
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KingCanon
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:54am
So they are now the…
Demons of the American Reconstruction?

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momrules
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:52am
The war by Satan against God is ramping up. Satan hates Jesus Christ and His Church.

It will get worse.

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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:54am
  godisimaginary.com
  
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- Patrick in AZ
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:01am
  I’m afraid you are correct. The more we push God & Jesus away (as a society), the worse things in this country will get.
  
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- DSTSS2010
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:02am
  Daughters of American Revision?
  
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- GlennaBeckski
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:53am
  MOM~~
  
  You are right on. I’m not at all surprised it’s happening.
  
  It’s the speed with which it’s happening that’s freakin me out.
  
  BTW.. I haven’t been on here much lately.. but was wondering if Gonzo has been?
  
  Glenna B
  
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- momrules
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 12:03pm
  Hi Glenna…….. I haven’t been posting as much as I used to either. I have seen a couple of Gonzo’s posts though not as many as he used to post.
  
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- GlennaBeckski
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:51pm
  Ok thanks so much!
  
  Take care and God Bless
  
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hi
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:51am
My mom goes to two different functions, one is secular and the other Christian. There is such a difference between the two groups. The Christians are loving and the secular ones are cranky and lost.
The DAR’s will soon be cranky and lost.

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gmname
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:51am
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”

– Joseph Stalin

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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:58am
  Having a Murdering, Treasonous, Lying Communist Pig in charge also helps.
  
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- JGraham III
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:14am
  I seem to remember that the Lord had a few things to say about this sort of turmoil going on in the D.A.R., namely, that if a person was ashamed of Him (not praying in the name of Jesus Christ for example) then He would be ashamed of them in return (not answering their weak prayers). Not a good place to be, especially if the nation continues on going to Hell in a hand basket. Secondly He said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church. Not praying in the name of Jesus Christ effectively excludes the “ashamed ones” from getting any significant results for whatever prayers they may actually make. However God will exalt those who continue to boldly proclaim the Kingdom.
  The devil has few actual weapons beyond the shrill voices of those who oppose the Lord Jesus Christ thereby unwittingly doing the devil’s work. The last election was a good example of what those shrill voices can do if the godly listen to them and subsequently decide to do and say nothing. The danger arises when the Shrill Voices gain enough power to force the Church into silence. We are not there yet; the Faithful need to be as Peter, James and John were in Acts 4 where they said after having been ordered not to pray in the name of Jesus Christ, “whether it be right in the sight of God to harken unto you rather than God, you judge. For we cannot but speak those things which we have both seen and heard.”
  
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ZAP
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:49am
Daughters of Satan….

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- ZAP
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:56am
  Be vigilant, watch. Your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walks about seeking whom he may devour.
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:19am
  Except for this week. The Devil is on Vacation in hawaii.
  
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hauschild
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:49am
Heathens.

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iwitnis
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:48am
the APOSTASY is a True Sign of the End Times….the mayans quit making calendars because they all died, which ended up being the end of Their Time…seems America is repeating History

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DesertRose1960
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:41am
Eleanor Roosevelt resigned her membership in the DAR when they refused to allow the great American soprano, Marian Anderson to perform in their hall because she was Black. Then Eleanor arranged for Ms. Anderson to sing on some public property that was just down the block from her residence at the time, you know, the Lincoln Memorial. The incident left the DAR with a bit of a black eye. I guess there are some members who want to move beyond a WASPy ladies social club and some of them want to yank it back to Eleanor’s days.

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woodyee
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:41am
NAME the Leaders. There are but a small handful. There are 170,000 of YOU. Get rid of those “leaders”. They are nothing but infiltrators.

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- ginger100
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:52am
  our communist govt?
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:58am
  Nice one, Ginger. Funny if not so true…
  
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:40am
“Rather than mentioning Jesus’ name, the goal is apparently set on being more inclusive and welcoming to non-Christians who wish to join DAR.” ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

If non-Christians are offended and don’t want to join, let them start their own Group. This is so stupid. What a waste of time and energy.

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OUTLAW_WEALTH
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:39am
Start out own organization – the RIGHT way. Screw these communists who want to obliterate our religion, our patriotism, and our God.

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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:06pm
  I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:11pm
  Copy/Paste is your friend today, isn’t it?
  
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- Torch621
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 3:27pm
  @Not-So-Free_Thought
  I contend that you have nothing of substance to say, like most keyboard warrior non-believers, and so have resorted to copy-paste to troll.
  
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HairRazor
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:39am
and another one bites the dust..

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Timmy_NorthWest
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:37am
It is too bad the “leadership” took this stance. It should be put to the vote of members. Anyone remember the DNC? They changed the rules despite that there was much opposition to the putting God back in their platform, renaming of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. The crowd didn’t want those back in but “leadership” insisted. Pattern anyone?

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Cavallo
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:36am
They’re just following the new patriotism. The religion of the country is evangelical Atheism, with the one true god being The State. To be a patriot is to renounce the old God and embrace the new one, The State.

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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:35am
It should be called “DUH”, not DAR.

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ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:35am
Jesus did say many would be offended for his name and divided because of it.

People these days treat the messiahs name as if it were acid. It must be close off, sealed up, place in a vault never to be spoken again. I believe the very name of Jesus has power, it convicts us and reveals something inside of us that is lacking and in need of, HIM!

I have not seen any other name that has caused so much contention, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus come soon!

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:48am
  I don’t need “him.”
  
  I’ll pass.
- momrules
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:01am
  Morning Chief………. Yep, the very name Jesus strikes fear in the heart of some people. They try to dress up their fear Him by using words like religious tolerance or free thinking or unbelief but they fool no one anymore. Well, they do fool themselves.
  
  I agree with you…….. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus…….what a wonderful name that is to me.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:30am
  And so the atheist trolls are UNLEASHED and will FLOCK to this thread like maggots
  to a stinking rotting carcass. It happens on this site with EVERY thread that has to do
  with faith.
  
  Like a dog returns to his own vomit.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:39am
  Freedom of speech. Unless you want to work to dismantle that Ammendment?
  
  My post is no less important than any others. You are free to see it as “trolling”, but your opinion is just an opinion. A person made a statement. I explained why it isn’t necessarily true. Rather than “crying troll”, explain where I am wrong [with evidential support], or [if you only have opinion] offer your take on the subject, and we can have a discussion.
  
  Your religious faith is your right. But you don’t have a right for your religious faith to NOT be critiqued.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 1:09pm
  @DEAVONREYE
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:39am
  Freedom of speech. Unless you want to work to dismantle that Ammendment?
  ——————————————————————-
  This previous post of yours was very instructive:
  
  “I was a humbly sincere christian for many years, . . . but after years of silence and emptiness from this “god”, I came to the conclusion that there must not even BE “a god” to get any “blessing” from.”
  
  Your posture is quite revealing. Im not “working” to dismantle any “Amendment”. Did you just pull
  that out of your arse?
  
  God doesnt need an attorney and Im certainly not up to the job. Your presence here by itself
  indicates your intentions. It doesnt take intelligence above that of an insect to figure out that
  this is a conservative site and most of the members here will be traditional people of faith who
  have gathered together to comment and discuss matters of importance to them.
  
  Knowing that, you come here to purposely incite and in typical atheistic style cry “freedom of speech”. People here have come to a site to congregate with like-minded individuals —unlike you.
  There are plenty of websites that cater to the Godless and God hating crowd that you belong to.
  Why dont you go to one of them and congregate with those that despise God? I’lll help you by
  giving you a few:
  http://www.atheistforums.com/
  
  atheistforums.org/
  
  ravingatheists.com/forum/
  
  http://www.thethinkingatheist.co
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 1:28pm
  This is the THIRD time you have posted this and it is no more true than before.
  
  This site is NOT a dedicated christian site. A conservative CAN be non-religious.
  
  Are we done here?
- 00100111
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:10pm
  Deavon, then prove you’re conservative. Stop insulting people for believing something you do not. You’re not being oppressed. Get over it. Bashing people because they’re different is a leftist strategy.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 2:30pm
  I’m not bashing anyone. I’m calm and in my right mind. I offer my opinion. People are free to read or not read them.
  
  However, concerning whether or not conservatives “bash”, . . . I think it should come to no shock that pretty much any story on here about “atheists doing whatever” brings all kinds of attacks from the christian conservatives on here.
Trail_Jumper
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:32am
Okay. Form the “Christian Daughters of the Revolution” and take away all the members that are outraged. Restore your history, restore the pledges, and watch the politically correct members that threw out Christ cry while their membership numbers drop like a stone. Problem solved.

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- seek.the.truth
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:40am
  Sounds like a simple solution.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:40am
  I’m certain you could find some wealthy donors to help such an effort. I think it is worth looking into. I wonder if these patriots will bend knee or leave. Is their faith more important than the communist designs of their leaders? I guess we will find out. Wheat from the chaff.
  
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- DaMule1977
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:53am
  Love it! But just know that to be considered a non-profit comes with a bunch of strings…
  Even with that known, I would donate money to them to help get them off and running. I’m tired of this PC BS. It (PC and the ones promoting it) is destroying the very fabric of this country.
  
  Love my Country, fear my gov’t
  
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IndyGuy
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:30am
I have made it a point to go to their annual fundraiser sales….I will no longer give them my money…Good luck with your new Progressive stance DAR…

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bikerdogred1
Posted on January 3, 2013 at 10:29am
But it is OK to bow to muslims,americans selling americans out.

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 3, 2013 at 11:03am
  No, it absolutely is not.
  
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