Faith

Obama Opposes NDAA’s ‘Rights of Conscience’ for Military Chaplains & Members, Vows to Protect Rights of Gays

President Barack Obama signed the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act into law on Wednesday, but he did so while also noting that he opposed a number of provisions held within it. Among them: Section 533, a portion devoted to ensuring religious protections for servicemen and women. According to the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty, this section of the document “may require the military to accommodate the religious objections of military personnel.”

The text makes it clear that the military must respect the moral views and conscience held by its members. Additionally, it goes on to say that these beliefs may not be used to discriminate against or to deny promotion for those who embrace them (read the entire law, including Section 533, here).

Obama Opposes NDAAs Rights of Conscience Provision, Vows to Defend Gay Rights

President Barack Obama (Photo Credit: Getty Images)

“The Armed Forces shall accommodate the beliefs of a member of the armed forces reflecting the conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs of the member and, in so far as practicable, may not use such beliefs as the basis of any adverse personnel action, discrimination, or denial of promotion, schooling, training, or assignment,” the provision reads, in part.

The provision appears aimed at protecting against forced gay marriage ceremonies and other contentious practices, as the section also states, “No member of the Armed Forces may require a chaplain to perform any rite, ritual  or ceremony that is contrary to the conscience moral principles, or religious beliefs of the chaplain.”

Below, see a screen shot of the Section 533 in its entirety:
Obama Opposes NDAAs Rights of Conscience Provision, Vows to Defend Gay Rights

A screen shot from H.R. 4310

In his official signing statement, Obama made his opposition to this portion of the law known, calling it “unnecessary and ill-advised.” He also noted his belief that the Armed Forces already protects conscience freedoms of chaplains and service members, alike.

“The Secretary of Defense will ensure that the implementing regulations do not permit or condone discriminatory actions that compromise good order and discipline or otherwise violate military codes of conduct,” Obama wrote. “My Administration remains fully committed to continuing the successful implementation of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and to protecting the rights of gay and lesbian service members; Section 533 will not alter that.”

But it wasn’t only religious protections that Obama targeted in his signing statement. He also spoke out against restrictions on the movement of detainees out of military prisons. The New York Times reports:

President Obama set aside his veto threat and late Wednesday signed a defense bill that imposes restrictions on transferring detainees out of military prisons in Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. But he attached a signing statement claiming that he has the constitutional power to override the limits in the law.

The move awakened a dormant issue from Mr. Obama’s first term: his broken promise to close the Guantánamo prison. Lawmakers intervened by imposing statutory restrictions on transfers of prisoners to other countries or into the United States, either for continued detention or for prosecution.

Now, as Mr. Obama prepares to begin his second term, Congress has tried to further restrict his ability to wind down the detention of terrorists worldwide, adding new limits in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013, which lawmakers approved in late December.

Obama Opposes NDAAs Rights of Conscience Provision, Vows to Defend Gay Rights

President Barack Obama (Photo Credit: Getty Images)

You can read president Obama’s entire signing statement to see rationale against these ideals, despite still signing the bill into law. As for religious protections, his opposition is intriguing and will likely rile some free speech advocates. It comes after the Obama administration has already imposed a contraceptive mandate — sparking a battle that continues to rage, with lawsuits against the government coming from businesses, colleges and the Catholic Church, among others.

In early 2011, the administration also lost a Supreme Court battle in which it attempted to strike down the ministerial exemption, a long-held and assumed right of religious employers.

In CONTROL, Glenn Beck presents a passionate, fact-based case for guns that reveals why gun control isn’t really about controlling guns at all; it’s about controlling us. Find out more HERE.

Comments (86)

  • am123
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:49pm

    This country is in need of God’s help more than ever before and we don’t have a President who knows how to entreat the favor of the LORD, we have a President who only knows how to thumb his nose at God by promoting perversion.

    Report this comment

    am123  
    • Leopold
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 4:44am

      Obama is just using the gay community to transform the military and the US,

      Do men really don’t care to share close quarters and showers with gays? They do not mind seeing two men even just kissing? Really? I find it extremely offensive.

      I’m sorry to sound so harsh, but I bet 80% or more of society feels the same. They just don’t have the guts to say so, after all we are to be tolerant and also want to be accepted.

      The gay community will never be satisfied with society. They keep pushing and pushing, and hope that if they could just shut down any opposition to gays, that then they feel better about themselves. No fix on the outside can fix what is wrong on the inside.

      It started with coming out of the closet. Then came: all we want is relationships out in the open. In the eighties they said “No” we don’t want marriage. Then it was marriage, but no children. Now they can adopt. The irony, they are still not happy. Trying to increase their #s by telling our kids in schools that it is OK to be gay;.just try it, wont work either, They will get more frustrated, bitter and even suicidal because nothing is working to help them feel better about who they are. They have no idea, that it iconscienceoncience that denies them peace.
      I feel sorry for them, this must be very hard on their soul.
      They need God and prayers much more then our acceptance.

      Report this comment

      Leopold  
    • Crusader101
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 7:27am

      Yes, that’s for sure. How does he have the boldness to call himself a Christian, when he gives credibility to sodomy? Sodomy, same sex couples, is an abomination to God. That’s not what has created. It’s the devil’s doing. After over 35 years of researching homosexuality, the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, or NARTH, comprised of doctors who specialized only in that category of research, concluded, just a few years ago, that they were convinced there is no ‘gay’ gene. Now California, with pressure from the homosexual activists, had stopped Narth from helping young people with therapy, who have been drawn in to a homosexual experimentation. This is the danger; acting out homosexual sodomy leads to a bonding–a bonding normally found between a man and a woman who have sex together. But a homosexual bonding is an abnormal one. Anyone who says that anal sex is normal is a liar. Yet, we have schools teaching children, who have no interest in sex, being forced to learn about it.
      This is just one of the grave sins that America has trapped itself in, with the credibility of the media supporting it. It is why America is being infiltrated by its enemies, and we have sinful leaders we have elected in our own sinful blindness. God is the same today as He has always been. Sodom and Gomorah was a city destroyed by the rain of flaming cinders. Those cinders are still on that site today.—not in some storybook. see http://www.narth.com and the B

      Report this comment

      Crusader101  
    • Wolf
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 7:58am

      Yes, we certainly are, AM. But… I’m of the opinion God isn’t listening until this nation falls on its face before Him and begs for help.

      Report this comment

      Wolf  
    • justangry
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 9:18am

      Keep your eye on the ball. The section that addresses gays in the military or what chaplains think about it is small potatoes compared to throwing us away like we’re not even human. Due process is the only issue that needs to be addressed and changed. Don’t let the media pukes distract you.

      Report this comment

      justangry  
    • rangerskippy
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 10:01am

      Transforming America one step at a time.

      Obama and crowd in the not so far off future will look to change the oath of office. They will be looking to remove swearing to support and deffend the “constitution”, and replace it with something like “the people”

      Obama needs a military that is willing to go door to door to take guns and Bibles. he can not have these morally minded chaplains teaching that homosexuality is bad, or going against his transformation of America.

      That first and second amendment are becoming a real thorn in Obama’s craw, and he is looking for way to bypass them.

      Report this comment

      rangerskippy  
    • Sue J.
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 12:29pm

      Can you say ANTI CHRIST?

      Report this comment

      Sue J.  
    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 3:47pm

      satan is the name

      Report this comment

      muffythetuffy  
    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 5:47pm

      WHEN AMERICA LEGALIZED ABORTION AND PRO-LIFE PEOPLE SURRENDERED…

      God could have turned his back on us. Only Islam violently opposes abortion, so think about it.

      Report this comment

      muffythetuffy  
    • Mulder1
      Posted on January 6, 2013 at 4:34pm

      Obama hates Christians, as most liberals do.

      Report this comment

      Mulder1  
    • Quester55
      Posted on January 6, 2013 at 6:07pm

      Who ever heard of Satan worshiping GOD? Besides, as shown over the last 4+years, Obama’s True god is the STONE IDOL they call Allah & His Own actions of Befriending the ISLAMIC MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD is well Known! However, As President, He can HIDE behind the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION when he feels Threaten & our Armed forces are sworn to Protect his sorry ****. But on that wonderful day when this TRAITOR goes too far & declares himself, Ruler, King or Dictator of these United States, ALL Bets are OFF! As per the U.S.Constitutional LAW Provides! Then those Duties revert Back to the CITIZENS!! BY LAW!!

      Report this comment

      Quester55  
    • TMOverbeck
      Posted on January 7, 2013 at 7:41am

      Leopold: “Do men really don’t care to share close quarters and showers with gays? They do not mind seeing two men even just kissing? Really? I find it extremely offensive.”

      Doesn’t bother me in the least. I went to a nightclub one time and two guys decided to make out right in front of me. They kept it PG at least, no hands roaming. I wasn’t disgusted, just “meh”.

      I know a lot of people hate when the gay-rights movement is compared to the civil-rights movement, but I AM seeing a parallel here… where people are fearing that the villains are all uncivilized savages who’ll run wild in the streets disrupting the general order… but in reality we find out the vast majority of them are just as well-behaved as the rest of us.

      Report this comment

      TMOverbeck  
  • antitheism
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:59pm

    Obama is simply showing his pro Israel stance by imitating Israel’s pro gay military.

    Report this comment

    antitheism  
    • FeralHuman
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 6:39am

      What?
      President Barry Soetoro, or whoever he is, was elected by hook or by crook again to bring this country down.
      There are approximately 207,643,594 eligible voters in this wonderful country of ours. Only 65,899,660 votes were cast for this imposter. The rest of the eligible voters did not want him as president, I can only assume. Why stay home if you are for this man? I guess Acorn did not reach enough sluggards with money and cigarettes and rides across state lines. Step it up Acorn, I am disappointed in your efforts.

      Report this comment

      FeralHuman  
    • VaARNG_Guardsman
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 7:19pm

      You couldn’t join the Isreali army because you are not Jewish….LOL at all the Zionists!

      Report this comment

      VaARNG_Guardsman  
  • zoro51
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:51pm

    ONLY SOCIALIST DICTATORS have rules liek thids HITLER MOUSOLINI STALIN… HEROHETO now OBAMA.,.. IMPEACH N THROW OUT OF THGE USA OBAMA.. HES NOT PRESIDENT FOR LIFE N WERE NOT A SOCIALIST NATION

    Report this comment

    zoro51  
  • P8TR10T
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:24pm

    I can’ wait for Christ to show up. All you libs and boneheads who worship yourself are gonna have a bad day.

    Report this comment

    P8TR10T  
  • Free_Thought
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:28pm

    “Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles… If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink… He who rejoices at calamity shall not go unpunished.” [Prov. 24:17; 25:21; 17:5]

    Isaiah 45:7
    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” (Leviticus 25:44-45)

    We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
    We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
    There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)

    “Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man’s brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.” (Mark 12:19)

    Keep praying and reading your good book. I may be an atheist but at least i have the decency to nut up not hide behind an 1800 year old storybook. I really wish you could just stop hiding behind your book to justify your bigotry and low intelligence. Stand up people. At least you would be respectable.

    Report this comment

    Free_Thought  
    • P8TR10T
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:23pm

      Hey Free_Thought_Less……. the bad news for you: Another civil war is coming. The good news for us: We have the guns.

      Report this comment

      P8TR10T  
    • barber2
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:58pm

      FREE: And what name did you previously use to post your semi-religious Troll comments before your December 2012 rebirth as Free Thought ?? You are so ” radically ” transparent .

      Report this comment

      barber2  
    • FeralHuman
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 6:30am

      Reply to Free_Thought who said, ” I really wish you could just stop hiding behind your book to justify your bigotry and low intelligence. Stand up people. At least you would be respectable.”

      So Free Thought wants people of the book, which is the Tanach and is older than 1800 years ago, to do what we are told by Free Thought. We must comply with his/her thoughts. What is free about that?

      Report this comment

      FeralHuman  
    • VaARNG_Guardsman
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 7:45pm

      You’ve never even read the bible all the way through!!! I can spot a thinker in name only from a mile away.

      Report this comment

      VaARNG_Guardsman  
  • Free_Thought
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:09pm

    I guess glenn did not want to post my response. What a shock.

    Report this comment

    Free_Thought  
  • TX_45_ACP
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:56pm

    It’s explained here very well. Watch here: http://vimeo.com/52009124

    Report this comment

    TX_45_ACP  
  • VaARNG_Guardsman
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:51pm

    Free Thought: you are no different than the thing you hate….CINO. Where is your love and mercy….you have none.

    Report this comment

    VaARNG_Guardsman  
  • Zombee
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:49pm

    Why would anyone with any moral standards or decency want to serve or remain in Obama’s rainbow military ? Tolerance usually works both ways except when it comes to ****-nazi’s. They don’t care how offensive their abnormal behavior is to others … normal folks are forced to accept it and embrace it …or else. I say ‘to hell with that’. Stay away from the military recruiters office and don’t re-up until they reverse the gayification of the military.

    Report this comment

    Zombee  
    • VaARNG_Guardsman
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 7:16pm

      If all the moral people leave the military or not join, then all the ****’s and immoral people will have all the weapons, and will be the only ones that know how to use them.

      Report this comment

      VaARNG_Guardsman  
  • JEANNIEMAC
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:53pm

    One wonders why Obama is so protective of homosexuals.

    Report this comment

    JEANNIEMAC  
    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:00pm

      He can only protect them so much. There is a limit to what he can do as shown by CDC statistics. I reviewed them yesterday.

      And yes the homosexuals are still out performing the rest of the population in HIV & syphilis transmission. Real go getters.

      Report this comment

      Walkabout  
    • decendentof56
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:23pm

      Walk…..
      I like your subtle humor! Very funny……really!

      Report this comment

      decendentof56  
    • TX_45_ACP
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:55pm

      Don’t wonder any more. Watch here: http://vimeo.com/52009124

      Report this comment

      TX_45_ACP  
  • barber2
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:51pm

    Just more of the Chicago radicals’ ” changes ” which divide America . Very “transparent ” what the Chicago radicals have as their goal.

    Report this comment

    barber2  
  • CONTUMACY
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:36pm

    The left are all about freedoms, pro choice, free speech, etc, only their “freedom” requires you to listen to their point of view only. Only a one way street with them.

    μολὼν λαβέ

    Report this comment

    CONTUMACY  
  • NOBALONEY
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:09pm

    Obama denies “right of conscience” once again. Chief Justice Roberts majority opinion ruled on the “Affordable Care Act” as being a tax. Roberts, one of five catholics on the high court betrayed his faith, country, and the constitution with his activism on this law. The Republic, and the Constitution have been rendered irrelevent. Actions taken by the executive, and judicial braches, and inaction by the legislative branch have led to no budgets, no checks and balances, and the breakdown of separation of powers. If your not free do think, believe, and act accordingly. Then liberty and freedom are lost.

    Report this comment

    NOBALONEY  
  • Sharon Rose
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:58pm

    God help us, government running wild. Stop the insanity.

    Report this comment

    Sharon Rose  
  • pilgrim249
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:58pm

    He loves the evil and hates the good. Sound familiar?

    Report this comment

    pilgrim249  
  • alpha2omega47
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:56pm

    Obama is a worthless, corrupt, lying fraud.

    Report this comment

    alpha2omega47  
  • alpha2omega47
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:55pm

    Obama supports gays (queers) because he is gay (queer). Obama is also a liar, corrupt, a fraud, a Muslim, anti-American and a homegrown terrorist of the worst kind.

    Report this comment

    alpha2omega47  
  • VaARNG_Guardsman
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:49pm

    The President is correct military Chaplains are already covered by existing regulations. Chaplains do not have to do anything that is against their religious beliefs.

    Repealing DADT was very expensive….the mandatory training (AKA Reeducation) for the entire force cost millions. I get paid 37/hr…..mind numbing gibberish. I took that 37 to the bank.

    They even told Chaplains that if they wanted out because of DADT, they could. I thought that was really nice.

    Report this comment

    VaARNG_Guardsman  
  • whatthecrazy
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:39pm

    No surprise here, the only highways and byways he protects are the hershey highways.Now i gotta go repent,stupid leader.

    Report this comment

    whatthecrazy  
  • Hoax And Chains
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:36pm

    Being gay himself, Obama “evolved” on the whole issue. He is afraid to let anyone think for themselves and make decisions based on their own beliefs and conscience. He believes that government should be able to force you to think what they want you to think, say, and do.

    Report this comment

    Hoax And Chains  
  • The-Monk
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:33pm

    “Obama Opposes NDAA’s ‘Rights of Conscience’ for Military Chaplains & Members, Vows to Protect Rights of Gays”

    **** **** ****…. **** **** ****….**** **** ****…..**** **** ****….. **** **** ****….

    Oh…. I get it now… it’s the new “**** **** **** rule”.

    Read the Bill’s….. do word searches and post results…

    Report this comment

    The-Monk  
  • TIMEBOMB
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:30pm

    As your Marxist gay ruler I will always have the back sides of all gays everywhere,it’s my duty to stand behind them and provide input on these issues.

    Report this comment

    TIMEBOMB  
  • AvengerK
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:28pm

    Didn’t little Barry promise he wouldn’t use signing statements? More worthless talk from the empty chair.

    Report this comment

    AvengerK  
    • Fubared
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:47pm

      Lower sea levels, half the deficit, close gitmo, blah, blah, union and special interest money blah. Pathological comes to mind.

      Report this comment

      Fubared  
    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:31pm

      Fubared
      Read the Book review tiled Herbert Hoover’s Long Awaited Magnus in the February 2012 The American Spectator.

      FDR told General John J. Pershing that “he (Roosevelt) was better informed on war strategy than anyone inn the Army “including you General”"

      BHO said he was smarter than his speech writers. except when TOTUS is gone he seems lost.

      Same pride / Same delusions

      FDR & BHO also ran up a lot of debt.

      Report this comment

      Walkabout  
  • sizzlinsexybeckster
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:27pm

    Why don’t they just make special military uniforms for all the gays. That way when you see one you’ll have to open up the back flap of his pants and kiss his rear since that’s basically what they do now. Oh wait, you don’t need colored uniforms, just look for rupaul.

    Report this comment

    sizzlinsexybeckster  
    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:50pm

      They already have special uniforms. They have people in the army that are part of the My Little Pony fan club. They have patches for their military uniforms, which are in bright colors for snipers.

      It signals to all the Al Qaeda terrorists that they are easily owned.

      http://spousebuzz.com/blog/2012/07/bronies-love-my-little-pony.html

      Just remember their was no love or tolerance until Bronies came along.

      Report this comment

      Walkabout  
  • kickagrandma
    Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:27pm

    In the name above all name, JESUS THE CHRIST and covered by HIS HOLY BLOOD, I rebuke you bho or bs or whatever your name really is! GOD KNOWS it and HE KNOWS you, and you’ve no place to hide.

    JESUS, I beg YOU to come quickly, to encourage YOUR children, to empower us to serve YOU in the darkness that is rolling in all around us. LORD, we thank YOU for the LIGHT YOU BRING to this sick world. We love YOU. We serve YOU. We obey YOU; and ONLY BECAUSE YOU SAID for us to do this do we pray for this vile, evil man, for his healing, for his redemption.

    HOLY FATHER GOD, we YOUR children are so saddened by the mess we are in; most of it is our own fault. So, FATHER, we ask and accept YOUR FORGIVENESS, PARDON AND MERCY in JESUS’ SWEET AND MIGHTY NAME, amen.

    Report this comment

    kickagrandma  
    • SonOfThunder
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:43pm

      Yes come quickly Lord Jesus!

      Report this comment

      SonOfThunder  
    • GuruMeditation
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:45pm

      Amen.

      Report this comment

      GuruMeditation  
    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:12pm

      What is wrong with “Wishing others well and others misery.”

      After hearing the other side wish you misery so many times, a person will lose their cool. Civility was lost a long time ago.

      Julieanne Malveaux ““You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.” …. “Well, that’s how I feel. He is an absolutely reprehensible person.”

      So where are we? … Yes, people will get angry. I’ll let them vent. Other times I will tell them to relax & to let it go “like water off a duck’s back”. I may remind them that they are a Christian. But contrary to popular belief that does not entail that you subject yourself to abuse.

      For every quote that you have I can come with one from the left.

      We have been put through a lot. After the election the lame duck politician was still fund raising. He never stopped campaigning. We are in a perpetual campaign cycle. The left is already smearing Rubio. We are some where between the Marius/Sulla conflict & the later conflicts between Caesar, Anthony & Augustus.

      Report this comment

      Walkabout  
    • VaARNG_Guardsman
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:19pm

      Virgil Goode in 2016!!! Or Ron Paul!!!!

      Report this comment

      VaARNG_Guardsman  
    • VaARNG_Guardsman
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:25pm

      Free Thought if you want do some theological battle we can. Since you are so confident about who is and who isn’t a Christian. I doubt you even know how many books are in the bible…..you would be taken to the woodshed boy…

      Report this comment

      VaARNG_Guardsman  
    • palerider54
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:36pm

      Very well said “kickagrandma?.

      My Pastor asked us to pray for our President last Wed. night, and I did.

      LORD, you know Obama’s heart, and you know what he is and what he is not.
      I know that you can, and HAVE, raised up KINGS & NATIONS, and took them down.
      I pray that YOUR WILL be done and that you use Obama as you see fit.

      AMEN !

      Got a round of applause from my Church family.

      Report this comment

      palerider54  
    • Free_Thought
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:48pm

      Listen you wannabes. Here is a quote. “I will not pray for her (clinton). But i will pray for the families.” Very christian of you grandma. Its easy to be a miserable old sack and spew hate when you put your “christian” hat on. So people, do you believe that not praying for someone with a bloodclot because you dont like her is christian? Who did your lord jesus pray for? Oh yeah. Even the people that were executing him. That is why you are a worthless CINO. I hope there is an afterlife for you and jesus slams the gates in your miserable fake christian faces. Jesus would be tempted to not even look at you.

      Godisimaginary.com

      Report this comment

      Free_Thought  
    • Walkabout
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:58pm

      Free_Thought
      Poor, poor Free_Thought trying to berate Christians because they are not perfect & they are at wit’s end & exasperated. Who put them there?

      Very few perfect Christians if any. Very few perfect people of any persuasion. Run along now.

      Report this comment

      Walkabout  
    • barber2
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:12pm

      FREE: Who is no doubt a radical Lefty atheist, is running the old Alinsky Rule 10: hold Christians up to their high standards ( which radicals do not share ) which Christians can not hope to achieve . Oh, those old Rules For Radicals ! And those anti-capitalist radicals who ” employ ” them !

      Report this comment

      barber2  
    • VaARNG_Guardsman
      Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:39pm

      LOL…..I always think it’s hilarious when people who do not believe in the veracity of scripture try to pontificate upon it……that’s good….since you don’t believe the word of God and then attempt to use it to prove your point…..well played…..you speak the scriptures with such authority you made me think you believe them.

      Report this comment

      VaARNG_Guardsman  
    • YOURSENSEI
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 12:10pm

      This is what you must know:

      Those who beg for Jesus to come soon cannot see that he is here already.

      It is so.

      Report this comment

      YOURSENSEI  
    • VaARNG_Guardsman
      Posted on January 5, 2013 at 7:51pm

      YOURSENSEI:

      Face-palm…….did Jesus not ascend into heaven? Yes. Did he send the comforter? Yes. Is he coming again? Yes……Come Lord Jesus was the first creed of the Church……Jesus second advent is at hand… prepare your heart. YOU ARE A TERRIBLE THEOLOGIAN! just stop it dude.

      Report this comment

      VaARNG_Guardsman  

Sign In To Post Comments! Sign In