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Police Chief Lifts Ban on Officers Eating at Denny’s After Detective Was Told to Leave Her Gun in the Car

Jan. 4, 2013 10:15am Billy Hallowell

With gun sensitivity at a fever-pitch, yesterday’s story about detectives in Belleville, Ill., who argued with a manager after being told that they couldn’t have firearms inside of a Denny’s restaurant, resonated. But now, just one day after TheBlaze reported that Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax banned officers from entering the establishment as a result of the incident, he has overturned his proclamation.

Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax Lifts Ban on Dennys After Gun Spat

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Fox News’ Todd Starnes reports that the mandate that officers not eat at the location is no longer in place. Originally, Sax issued a pointed statement that chastised Denny’s and dismissed the negative treatment his detectives received.

“The Belleville Police Department is very disheartened by the lack of respect shown to on-duty sworn police officers,” he initially said. “Until further notice all on duty Belleville Police officers are banned from Denny’s Restaurant unless responding to an official call for service.”

Well, it seems that “further notice” has arrived now that officers can, once again, enjoy the diner’s delicacies. As previously reported, the initial drama unfolded on New Year’s Day when the detectives were eating at the establishment The restaurant’s manager came over to tell a female in the group that she had to take her gun to the car — or leave.

The employee’s request was purportedly based on a complaint from another customer. While, at first, the detectives assumed that the mandate was a joke, they quickly learned otherwise. The manager explained the Denny’s only allows officers in uniform to carry guns, however the detectives had shown their badges, thus substantiating their identities.

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When they got up to leave, a general manager, who purportedly noticed the officers refusing to pay for their meals during the dispute, came over and told the cops that they could stay after all. However, feeling embarrassed by the spectacle, they decided to leave anyway.

Following the incident, a Denny’s spokesperson said that the manager making the initial request was wrong and that police in or out of uniform may carry weapons in the company’s restaurants. The spokesperson dismissed the incident as “miscommunication” and said that the manager was simply trying to do the right thing to address another customer’s complaints.

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fgarvin
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:52pm
This is what happens when businesses drop to their knees and try to suck off every loud mouthed liberal. The detective should have taken down the libs name, and put in the computer, “No firearms allowed when responding to calls. Watch and report incidents from the street. Clean up afterwards with a large push broom.”

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- John.Galt
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:24pm
  lol. I would love that!
  
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- HisStoryUn
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:41pm
  Brilliant! If only a fantasy! Still, fun to think about…
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:10pm
  What probably happened is the police chief read all the comments about civilians not being allowed to carry and decided he didn’t want to fight the populous when they say, ‘What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.’
  
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- muddy1
  Posted on January 5, 2013 at 10:03am
  Yawn, i kinda think the Chief wanted his 15 minutes of fame and now he’s had it.
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on January 6, 2013 at 12:46am
  People still eat at this place? I would say that no officer on that department will ever eat there again.
  
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Magyar
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:25pm
The employee should be issued a ticket for stupidity with a hefty fine attached…. Ironically, if she/he were in touble, she/he’d be calling 911 and expect the police to respond in 2.5 seconds….. Stupid is forever!

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- scarydave
  Posted on January 6, 2013 at 5:29pm
  “Stupid” can also be very expensive and life-ending.
  
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jessieH
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:51am
Who wants to eat out at a “gun free” location? I would rather see everyone armed.

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- turkey13
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:17pm
  Can you imagine how much profits Denny’s has lost in the last 24 hours. Bet they made a deal with the Chief for free meals for thr next year. I also bet the manager that made the dumb mistake can’t get a job at Mickey D’S.
  
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- Billca
  Posted on January 6, 2013 at 2:20pm
  Didn’t you notice? This happened in the corrupt state of Illinois. The only state that doesn’t allow its citizens the *privilege* of getting a CCW permit. That means the idiot making the complaint should have known they were cops. No one else is allowed to carry in that state. The real surprise is that the moron didn’t discretely flee out a convenient door and call for a police SWAT team from outside.
  
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- sparky239
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 12:01am
  I would rather eat at a chic-fil-lay than some dumpster hole like denny’s,at least chic-fil-lay is cleaner and more healthier since the **** and dopers don’t go there anymore
  
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hyjyljyj
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:43am
The trouble with this country is spinal.

Nobody has any backbone. Just imagine if everyone suddenly grew one. Then when crap like the newspaper listing gun owners like sex predators, or this Denny’s nonsense, or 16-oz. sodas, or the [wholly illegal] income tax, or anything else unconstitutional came up, everybody in unison refuses to do the wrong thing, refuses to relent, insists on adherence to the Constitution. How cool would that be? Guy starts shooting up the theater…suddenly gets a quizzical look after firing only a couple rounds and drops his gun…seems the trigger finger only operates when the heart and brain controlling it have no holes or chunks of lead in them. Less death, more justice. The hippie-dippy, global-commie anthem “Imagine all the people sharing all the world” didn’t work…this will: “Instant karma gonna get you/Gonna knock you right on the head/You better get yourself together/Pretty soon you’re gonna be dead.” As in right now! Done.

This cop should’ve said “No, you’re crazy. I’m not leaving. Period. What are you gonna do, call the police? Here I am, that was quick. Now shut the hell up with this poppycock and do your job, before you make me do mine.”

So sick of watching the mightiest nation in the history of the Solar System go all soft and mushy at the hands of a gaggle of pencil-necked, bleeding-heart sissy liberal crybabies. Keep building those “secret” prison camps around the country, gov lovers…just make ‘em nice & co

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- Thorn2455
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:51pm
  This might very well be the best post I’ve ever seen. You summed up pretty much every feeling I’ve had in a short, clear and concise paragraph. You made my day!
  
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- ONLY4UANDME
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:00pm
  Exactly. We are too polite. From small things to big ones, we don’t want to be wrong and we don’t want to make waves. How’s that working for us? I went thru the drive thru at Mc Donalds and asked the young girl what was the difference in 2 sandwiches was. She cocked her head like a puppy and said ” I don’t know”. It never dawned on her to ask someone. And I just said O.K. and drove off. I didn’t get my info and she didn’t learn a thing. We need to stand up and be leaders.
  
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- axer351
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:06pm
  Sorry. I disagree. If the cop refuses to leave you do call the cops and the AG of the state. I do not want to live in a country where police are above the law. You would be the first to complain if a cop would not leave your house when ordered to. Deny’s,as do you, has a right to ask anyone to leave.
  
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- Sunfire77
  Posted on January 6, 2013 at 11:18am
  Excellent post! You are so right about this country turning into a “pansy”…God help us! What is going on?…so much of this stuff isn’t even common sense anymore! It’s as if there is something in the air or the peanut butter making us act like this! Other countries have got to be doubled over in laughter over our “big brave country and our moronic ways”, only it’s NOT FUNNY ANY LONGER and it’s time to wake up or we may go to sleep permanently!!!!!!!
  
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- savagenatn
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 1:35am
  Excellent genius post.
  
  Asser you’re an idiot. This had nothing to do with police being above the law. It’s not against the law for a police officer to carry a gun moron!! If someone was in your house attacking you or a family member, would you prefer the cops show up with a chinese made slingshot? You’re the perfect example of “liberalism is a mental disorder”
  
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Anadara
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:38am
Maybe Police can carry their weapons into Denny’s but Americans like me, who are legally carrying a concealed pistol, are still not welcome. Which is fine by me. Crap food, crap service, crap politics, by a bunch of Hoplophobes.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:52am
  I carry anywhere, regardless of what signs are posted. All except govt buildings. Anywhere else I say “eat me”. Never been approached. Not once.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:20pm
  When properly done, concealed is just that.
  
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- thebronze
  Posted on January 5, 2013 at 5:25am
  Concealed Weapons Permit means EXACTLY that!!!
  
  CONCEALED!!
  
  NO ONE should know you have it. How is it ever going to become an issue?
  
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:22am
I was in full agreement with the chief’s mandate that his cops are not to eat at Denny’s anymore after the manager sided with some anti-gun nut and told an officer not to bring in their gun unless in uniform. Now he has rescinded the order. Why? I would like to know who the complaining customer was. Let’s see a picture of them. The chief probably got a letter from the city’s lawyer telling him he should rethink his order. Lawyers are afraid of everything.

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- Female
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:37am
  Stupid..stupid…
  
  You sure the request wasn’t just a sexist complaint? They went to a “female”, what about the other detectives?
  
  I guess the “anti-gun” governor called the sheriff?
  
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- piper22
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 4:52pm
  Why doesn’t that nifty newspaper in NY get this manager’s name and home address and publish it for all to see? And include the idiot customer that complained.
  
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puck30
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:20am
Why are they eating there in the first place??????? It’s Denny’s!!!!!!

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- revron
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:56pm
  The writer who said “they are free to enjoy the diner’s delicacies”obviously never ate there.
  
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tbacct
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:16am
The ban may have been lifted, but I certainly won’t give Denny’s my business now. As for the patron who was disturbed by seeing a gun-carrying detective dining near her, get a grip! I feel SAFER when there are police officers in my presence, not less so. I wonder just who in the world that diner would call if someone were attacking her or entering her home illegally? Oh, yeah…the police, who wear GUNS! Sheesh, this country is getting ridiculous with all the PC garbage. Enough, already!!

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- Desertcatn
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:55am
  I sure wish, for the sake of the National Guard and others who were killed in the IHOP in Carson City; that someone had been armed, other than the POS shooter!
  
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- Chuck Stein
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:30pm
  @ TB
  It is a crummy headline. If you read the story, you will see that the ban was not lifted after the officers were asked to leave. Instead, the ban was lifted after “a Denny’s spokesperson said that the manager making the initial request was wrong and that police in or out of uniform may carry weapons in the company’s restaurants. The spokesperson dismissed the incident as “miscommunication” and said that the manager was simply trying to do the right thing to address another customer’s complaints.”
  I have done my own boycotts of business based upon bone-headed mistakes by managers, etc., but Denny’s has done its best to show that it was a mistake by a low-level bonehead.
  
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- TisOnlyMe
  Posted on January 5, 2013 at 7:19pm
  Agreed. I think when the “customer” complained about the scary woman with a gun, the manager would have said: “Sorry, this is the United States, where people have the right to own and carry guns. If you don’t like that, I suggest you move somewhere where the people don’t have that right.”
  
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The-Monk
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:12am
I wonder if the manager and the complaining customer know each other and attend the same progressive liberal meetings….

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:22am
  Hi MONK, Good point. Does make one wonder.
  
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whatthecrazy
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:02am
In my opinion the food they serve could be labeled criminal .

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- kat747
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:39pm
  I was thinking the same thing….they were eating there ?????
  
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Owt_Raged
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:00am
Hopefully even though he lifted his ban, none of the officers of this town ever eat there again, on duty or off.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:07am
  Hopefully, the cops and the chief will think twice before they ask law abiding non-cops to disarm. Their cries of foul are *exactly* what lawful sidearm bearing citizens tell *them* every time they are being disarmed by police.
  
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- glacialhills
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:57pm
  Hey If that is what a store decides their policy is(crap though it would be) I would applaud them enforcing it 100%. I am tired of the politicians and police getting one set of rules while we the people are forced to follow another. Maybe then they would be a little more aware of the problem that exists with our laws.
  
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piper60
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:47am
Somebody complained about their carrying guns? Seriously?

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weareskrewed
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:46am
I was 100% behind this Chief when he made his initial proclamation, but now I take it back since he changed his mind. Why rescind ? What was said to change his mind ? Free meals at Denny’s for life ? I agree with RJJINGADSDEN; the damage has already been done ! Also, why is it only disrespectful to on duty police ? What does it matter on duty, off duty, private citizen legally carrying ? So only on duty cops with weapons are allowed in Denny’s ? What a bunch of bs all this is… !!!

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djeffcoat
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:43am
Just suppose the moron patron who complained about the cops carrying guns in the restaurant, decided to rob the place once the cops left. I’m just saying. Stupid manager!

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- whatthecrazy
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:50am
  Dang,good point.
  
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:42am
The ban may be lifted, but i’m betting the only people to walk into that Restaurant with Guns will NOT be Law enforcement. I mean, this is just plain crazy. Whats next ? To blame the Deaths of some Ambassador and Seals on some stupid unseen YouTube Video or something ?

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Zorro1
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:42am
Denny’s could save a lot of money on cops freebies with this policy.
Dunkin Donuts should give it a try, too.

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- MAX0O1
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:33am
  ZERO1 YOUR IG=NOR-AN-CE is to be expected since left wing commies have
  taken over our schools AND colleges!!
  
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- booger71
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:16pm
  Actually Max, most restaurants give police food discounts (sometimes free food) for eating at their eateries since it helps to deter crimes.
  
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cassandra
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:42am
again 1 liberal seems to think they can tell EVERYONE what to do , the manager should have told HER to leave if she felt uncomforable with an armed police officer there who could protect eveyone if some nut job came into the resturant I will NEVER set foot in DENNY’S again

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- sbut01
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:15am
  Absolutely! As long as we back down every time we are challenged by liberals they continue to be emboldened and will never stop. When challenged most cowards slither away.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:26am
  I would have told the prog to “get the F outta here now. The cops are stayin’.”
  
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RaydocX
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:37am
Too little, too late…
any manager or employee who overreacted to that degree ‘based on the complaint of another customer’ has an underlying bias…

towhit… the table of officers was no smaller a number than the individual patron who complained, most likely even including the upset patron’s entire party… making an issue of it to an armed diner implies their service… their economic contribution… is less important than the other patrons.

This entire country has fallen prey to the ‘I am upset about X, so the person responsible for X should change.’ Just because you or I are upset at the appearance or behavior of someone else is NOT reason enough to expect that person to change… we can either tolerate it or leave.

Were i the officers I would not darken the door of this Denny’s; there are, I am sure, more restaurants that will welcome the presence of the city’s protectors.

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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:33am
It would have been more just if they had been robbed at gun-point prior to reconciling with the PD.

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- MittensKittens
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:39am
  I say screw Denny’s (their food sucks anyway)
  
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paulwbrown
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:31am
Denny’s finally showed some common sense from what began as an outrageous demand of the detective to leave her weapon in her vehicle. Not only were many Denney’s around the nation facing loss of business, but also having the benefit of armed officers on their premises. This initial action by Denney’s will have to go down as one of the most stupid acts I have ever heard of by a business.

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- TheseTruths
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:40am
  But the manager was just “trying to do the right thing to address another customer’s complaints.” All someone has to do is whine, and the rights of others get trampled. We seriously need to change this mindset.
  
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- lordjosh
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:41am
  You are more likely to be shot by a cop than an un-badged criminal. WTF you talking about?
  
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- whatthecrazy
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:58am
  @ Josh, sure if you are a criminal you may be likely to get shot by a cop as opposed to another criminal .
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:07am
  LJ, statistics to support your claim, please, and stratify that with the number of criminals who carry/ use a firearm.
  
  I am NOT arguing that all cops are good…
  But they are not all bad, either, and I speak from direct personal experience.
  They have an incredibly hard job, and get zero support from the public most are trying to protect, and precious little support from their administration when there are even the slightest problems or the ‘public perception’ of a problem.
  
  i suspect your claim is like decrying swimming pools because you are more likely to drown if you have a pool in your backyard.
  
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- lordjosh
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:44am
  @Whatthecrazy
  
  I suspose all people engaged by an officer are criminals?
  
  @Raydocx
  
  http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-q3-national-police-misconduct-statistical-report/
  
  Per capita. You have 10 cops and 10 “civilians”, more likely to be shot by the cop, beat or raped, and although this study didn’t cover it, your way more likely to be kidnapped and unlawfully restrained.
  
  You said “They(police)…. get zero support from the public most are trying to protect,..”
  
  Yes! So shut them down! They have no authority and have collectively broken the public trust, irregardless of the suppossed see no evil, hear no evil “good” ones.
  
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- Ricochet007
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:31pm
  So meanwhile, you think it’s OK for businesses to forego the benefit of having armed law abiding citizens not having their rights restricted while patronizing their business. In my state, the conceal carry law does not restrict the open carry rights already in place. Ergo, the little sticker on the door as you come in doesn’t make it illegal to wear an open-holstered gun into the business. If they ask you to leave, the most they can charge you with is trespass if you don’t leave. I’d like to see that happen just once and the armed citizen leaves, and then watch the whole place empty out in protest.
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:28am
Does anybody here even think that any of these dissed police officers are eating there? I seriously doubt it, and since there is no mention as to whether any action was taken to even so much as to correct the manager who was wrong about the company rules. I said it yesterday that the damage is already done. I just cannot see any of these officers spending their money in this establishment. On another note, I personally do not hold this against the entire company. It was this particular manager who misquoted the company rules.

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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:40am
  well stated. and you are spot on… the local shop is uniform (and plain clothes) friendly… many off duty cops are used to ferry receipts back and forth at our city’s dining establishments.
  
  in truth, most people respect not just officers, but those trained and licensed to carry, but the behavior of our politicians has encouraged the minority to act out.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:55am
  RAYDOCX, I hear you brother, like that NYC former mayoral candidate. These idiots and that newspaper should be charged with wilful reckless endangerment.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:56am
  Hi RJJ,
  
  I don’t think they will eat there either. I would however, like to know more about the manager.
  Even “Code Pink” people have to work someplace. I wonder what the managers political leanings
  are? I can’t imagine a Conservative doing that to a Police Officer.
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:01am
  Exactly RJJ………..I mean when all these Officers show their ID’s and verify who they are, why would ANY manager do that to them. They should be damn greatful to have them in their Restaurant. If i owned any restaurant anywhere, i would have a discount for all Law enforcement, Fire and Rescue and Military 365 days a year.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:30am
  Hi MONK, My thought exactly. I’d still like to know what kind of action corporate took against that manager for misrepresenting their internal rules to the civil authorities. You would think that the higher ups would take that seriously considering what the publicity has done to them by now.
  ARMEDANDREALLYPISSED, I really hear you. When I was a civilian cop the 24/7 convenient stores offered free coffee and welcomed us to take a short standing break and enjoy it for a moment. That marked cruiser out front followed by others through the night made a statement to criminals.
  
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RDavis49
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:26am
No matter where you go, you’re going to find a liberal who thinks they have the right to order even the police around. I don’t care if they did make amends, Denny’s has seen my last dollar just being stupid in the first place. It’s no different here where I live, the establishments are all liberal owned and operated.

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- moreteaplease
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:37am
  You gotta remember that a lot of today’s liberals were yesterdays hippies and still view the police as “pigs”. AFAIAC the customer who complained can go pound sand and the manager needs to grow a brain.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:45am
  MORETEAPLEASE, I suggest salt rather than sand. Far more effective.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:22pm
  RJ
  I still prefer broken glass for the visual alone.
  
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:24am
Yep. Somebody from Denny’s contacted the chief and asked them to come back. It was all just a stupid bunch of liberal prog crap to begin with. If I were the manager, I would have told the patron that complained that I would pay for his meal and that HE should leave. Typical commie prog crap.

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sizzlinsexybeckster
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:22am
Police are the police. They carry guns to protect citizens from wacko losers who shoot up a Dennys or are a drunken mess. The “manager” of this Dennys who made this lame law on the spot should be put on leave for a couple weeks and go back to management seminars about common sense.

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- lordjosh
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:46am
  No. Police carry guns to avoid resistance from those that they rape, beat, kidnap and rob. People with guns stop crime.
  
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- neillwd
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:46am
  Police don’t carry guns to protect you the carry guns to protect themselves.
  
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Cavallo
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:20am
Remember these officers will be attempting to strip law abiding citizens of their firearms in Illinois in a very short time. Do you really think they would defend your rights, and your liberty in the face of fascistic legislation? Do you think they would risk their jobs and personal wealth and risk being fired or jailed for your rights? I certainly don’t. They might grumble about it, but in the end they will take your freedom.

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- jcldwl
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:27am
  Don’t be so sure. You can’t lump them all into one category. And who said the Police are going to show up at our doorsteps. I am expecting the blue helmets.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:42am
  JCLDWL, I was about to step in and point out that these police officers are merely the employees of the local politicians and have taken an oath to uphold their laws. Can’t blame the police officer as the root cause, but I’d still suggest to be very careful in these areas. I plan to stay firmly planted here in the south where I feel far more comfortable.
  As for the blue helmets, they are about as useful in combat as **** on a stop sign. I wouldn’t let them worry me whatsoever. Okay, maybe if some are Canadians, they know what they are doing, but not the others.
  
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- walter90
  Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:54pm
  That has nothing to do with this incident. I don’t believe in tempering the truth with personal feelings. It was wrong and idiotic for the manager to cave in to a whiny liberal pincushion and regardless of why police carry guns, they are allowed to and to ask them to leave themselves unprotected is wrong.
  The fact that these same cops might be confiscating our guns shortly alters nothing concerning this incident.
  
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