Publish Gun Owners’ Info? Ann Coulter: Release The Records of Women Who Have Had Abortions, Too
On Thursday night, Ann Coulter brought her unvarnished logic to the ongoing discussion about releasing the names and addresses of gun owners. The statement comes early in a spirited back-and-forth with Sean Hannity on his Fox News program.
Image: Fox News screen capture
Hannity and Coulter started out talking about the publishing of gun owners’ names and addresses by the Journal-News in New York. Coulter pointed out the hypocrisy of releasing the names of law-abiding gun owners but not the names of criminals in the area”
Why aren’t we getting names of recently paroled criminals? People with gun permits, by definition, do not have criminal records. Why can’t we get the criminal records? No, you can’t get that.
Ms. Coulter continued to extend her line of thinking and brought up women who have had abortions:
Why can’t we get a record of women who have had abortions? They get money from Planned Parenthood, they get money from Medicare, from Medicaid. Much of this is…they’re tax subsidies. I think, you know, mothers might want to know what other women on their street might be willing to murder a child.
The entire segment from Hannity’s Show is here. (The comment in question starts about 1:10 into the video.)
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Metallicat
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:29amWasnt this fight already fought over Dale Earnhardts death photos? Doesnt that case set precedent here that peoples personal info is not open to the Freedom of information act and can only be released with their permission?
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:48amhey METALLICAT…
It was a Florida Court ruling, not a Federal ruling. The Supreme Court declined to hear the FIA appeal, which left it as a State, not Federal, precedent.
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naughtycal
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:28pmFienstien and her commrad FAIL to realize that the Bill of Right can’t be trampled with 100% vote in Congress…..IT AN EFFING RIGHT? More over our fellow supposed Congressmen and women are failing to do their duty and bring up charges against all those in GOV’T THAT CONTINUALLY ARE VIOLATING THEIR OATH
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michaelmoron
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:44pmFirst and foremost, Ann Coulter is being a dumb@$$ for suggesting that two wrongs make a right.
Secondly, Ann Coulter, supposedly a Conservative, should be pointing to the TRUSTEE’S Fourth Amendment rule in the TRUST that tells them that they, as public servants and TRUSTEES, can NOT Infringe on the Privacy of the Beneficiaries:
THATS RIGHT !!!! The Government is a TRUST !!!!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/227306/bombshell-constitution-is-a-trust-the-people-are-the-beneficiaries-public-servants-are-trustees
This is NOT a THEORY !!!
“Government is a trust, and the officers of the government are trustees. And both the trust and the trustees are created for the benefit of the people.”
– Henry Clay
(Henry Clay, Sr. (April 12, 1777 – June 29, 1852), was a lawyer, politician and skilled orator who represented Kentucky in both the Senate and in the House of Representatives. He served three different terms as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives and was also Secretary of State from 1825 to 1829. He lost his campaigns for president in 1824, 1832 and 1844.
Clay was a dominant figure in both the First and Second Party systems.)
Under Trust Law, a TRUSTEE (PUBLIC SERVANT) has NO DIRECT AUTHORITY over a BENEFICIARY (YOU).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m6dMYni0zQ
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mcsledge
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:52pmnaughtycal – If we abided by the US Constitution, Congress could not make a law that conflicted with or superceded that promised in the US Constitution. However, the States could alter the US Constitution and thereby change the Second Amendment. This would be constitutionally permissible. However, I don’t see the States making this effort.
Unfortunately, the government and courts have been violating the US Constitution almost since its inception.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:04pmJust remember she wanted christie for president. This is when i stoped listening to anything she has to say. People who support a progressive Demorat or Repubic. Is not a friend of mine..She also like’s Bill Mahr.
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John.Galt
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:22pm@MikeMoron – uhh, that was her point – she is pointing out the absurd by being absurd. Guns are legal. Abortions are legal. Whether you own a gun is your PRIVATE business. Whether you got an abortion is your PRIVATE business.
She is not suggesting that we publish their names – she is show how ABSURD it is to do either.
But the lib-tards don’t care. They are afraid of freedom, they are afraid of failure – so they don’t even try… if they do try and fail, it is ALWAYS someone else’s fault, there is ALWAYS an excuse.
So, kiss all your privacy away. Soon the govt will have the medical records of every American, electricity use of every household. Obama is a master at pitting Americans against each other. Soon your neighbor will be ratting you out for legally owning a firearm, or stockpiling food and water. Very SOVIET of obama. He learned well from his communist mentor.
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StanO360
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:25pmThe difference would be that to purchase a gun you have to create a public record. But Ann’s precept is correct, regarding the paper’s policy. Parolee’s are public record, so why haven’t they published those. In the case of abortion, it is an analog politically. Clearly the paper is publishing the names because they are trying to embarrass and/or harass the owners because of their own political ideology (anti 2nd amendment), if you did the same but were pro-life you could take pictures of woman as their leaving an abortion clinic and print the pictures in the paper (this would be wrong, but it is the same in principle).
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Maji
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:39pmencinom,
Thats the best you’ve got???
Thing of it is the low IQ voters that put obama in will go for it.
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LetUsReason
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:39pmWhen the SHTF, just remember:
Bullets matter, but the number of those isn’t nearly as important as the number of trigger fingers. I don’t see the DHS buying many of those these days…
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naughtycal
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:12pmSledge,
The tenth amendment couldn’t clearer…all power not granted to or denied to the congress shall revert back to the state…..The second amendment denies Congress the right to remove a citizens right to bear arms. Since Congress is denied the right so goes the state. Using your logic states could literally deny blacks the right to vote…. The Bill of rights are absolutes rights to all legal U.S. citizen.
Any legislation that is passed must abide by Constitutional standard or it can be challenged. The second amendment was written in such away to not be misunderstood. simple plan language.
The only way to change would be for a nation wide vote to amend it. And since government has shown what it does it you let a foot get in the door It aint gonna happen
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KevINtampa
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:30pmIf we had that nifty abortion list the men would be able to know the women that are willing to take a shot and get things “taken care of”. This way there wouldn’t be so many single dudes hanging out in front of planned parenthood looking for a date. They could just do it online like everything else.
Also, sites like eharmony and match could automagically list how many abortions each woman has had. They could call it their S1ut Meter.
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Devildog0166
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:22pmMichealMoron,
I have many weapons and I don’t care if all the coward terrorists know my address. If criminals/liberals are so stupid they are going to come on my property and try to protest or rob me, I will be more than happy to let the Police make a chalk outline of their last breathing spot.
I live in the very liberal state of Washington and have to deal with stupid liberals whenever I leave my house. I guess that I have grown used to stupid government and no I don’t accept it.
By the way thank you Californians for moving up here and destroying my state!
And yes Micheal is a Moron!
Semper Fi
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sillyfreshness
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:39pmI think it’s a great idea to publish the list of women who’ve had abortions. I think an even better idea would be to publish a list with names and addresses of leftist, “chosen people” Judens living in that area. These Judens in high places want to intimidate Gentiles, but there are a lot more Gentiles than there are Judens. It’s time to call out the “chosen people” and their BS.
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jakartaman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:22amAnn,
Brilliant – let the liberals choke on that one – The hypocritical slime
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E.Souchak
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:36amIt’s worse than people think.
The Valerie Plame Case: Why was Patrick Fitzgerald appointed Special Counsel?
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2013/01/03/the-valerie-plame-case-why-was-patrick-fitzgerald-appointed-special-counsel/
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encinom
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:13amSo the fringe right is going nuts, what else is new. Gun permits are public records, sorry but they are there for review. Don’t buy a gun if you don’t want your name released.
usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:21amOR, ENICINOMAN, we overturn the UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws requiring gun registration. The founders would have shot you in the face with their UNREGISTERED firearms just for suggesting that the Federal government be allowed a database of gun owners and the weapons they own…if you HATE this nation (AS IT WAS FOUNDED) so badly, why do you live here? (that question goes out to ALL liberals, as being a liberal automatically means you hate the Constitution)
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:43pmENCINOM, I have for a little over two decades referred to Dianne Feinstein as Senator Frankenstein. This whole ordeal brings that science fiction story to real life now. People like her, and Green in NYC are doing all they can to stir part of the population into torch, and pitchfork wielding mobs like those in the Frankenstein movies. I equate you and your careless rhetoric as no less or more than one of those mob members. Careful with that torch and try not to burn yourself.
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@leftfighter
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:30pmActually, she only grazed the nail, she didn’t this it on the head.
Since a death has occurred after an abortion, that would be like showing the records of a murderer. If you want to post gun owners’ info, release the info on any woman who’s ever visited an abortion clinic; after all, not everyone who owns a gun has committed murder- only an infinitesimally small number have. And certainly not everyone who’s ever visited a clinic has gotten an abortion.
I suspect the percentage of women who’ve visited a clinic and gotten an abortion is much higher than gun owners who’ve actually killed someone, though. Just sayin’.
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GoodCook
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:16pmYep, publish the names and addresses of all the radical extremist Democrats. Better yet pin point them on Google maps. When the dodo hits the fan and the economy completely fails from their policies we’ll all know where they live so we can go to their houses and they can share what they have with everyone else. Since that’s what they want us to do. Right!
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:44pmDitto. Brilliant. Publish the names of women in that same county who took their own babies lives. And of criminals. Especially the pedophiles lurking around the corner. Want to know what else your children are at risk for? Perverts they let out of jail everyday that live down the block and you don’t even know it.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 4:59pmCHARLES116/DORA, Must help to be drunk most of the time, or maybe you are just brain dead. The feds have found their way around the clause decades ago. Hope you never need to hide behind it, because you can’t.
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Sportsref
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 5:01pmCharles116.. Thank you for making the point about HIPA laws.. now go tell that Leftwing Nutcase That was on Hannity the night before Leo Tyrell ( think that was his name) that you agree with us.. equating the posting of gun owners as to being able to look at who is mentally deficient aka Medical records have absoluitely nothing to do with each other.
I agree it was ludacris for her comparison to listing who had an abortion, so now go express outrage at Tyrell for wanting HIPA laws made public.
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Wisdom7
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 5:38pm“Guess you never heard of doctor/patient confidentiality. You FOXbots are too dumb to even think thing through. Like Rush criticizing Al Gore when FOX’s 2nd biggest owner is an Arab oil prince”
Perhaps you are too “dumb” to realize that Kingdom Holding is the fourth largest investor in News Corp, not the second biggest owner. However, they also invest in Walt Disney, Kodak, Time Warner, Apple, HP, Motorola, Pepsico, Four Seasons, CitiGroup, The Plaza, Savoy, Fairmont, and so on. So what is your point other than maniacal blathering? Also Fox isn’t going around campaigning against oil, while Al Gore is. Since Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar, the richest country in the world through oil. Gee I guess you didn’t think that through huh…
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:10pmConfidentiality is way too big of a word for the Glenn beck audience
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Fubared
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:40pmEnci-diot
Only in nanny states; NY, MA, CA to name a few. Very few states have hoops for what it already legal. Get a better bumper sticker on your pink Vespa.
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VanceUppercut
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:51pmAn is at it again, I see. Her next book should be called “Gullible: How I Found a Way To Milk the Lunatic Fringe For Millions”.
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Techcon
Posted on January 5, 2013 at 12:01am@encinom-an,
Permit holders should expect to have their names…released?
They weren’t “released” STUPID, they were published in a f**king NEWSPAPER!
Move to N. Korea ALREADY, ya putz!
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I_AM_THE_HUNTER
Posted on January 5, 2013 at 1:25pmI think the truth be told, we can scream and shout about the 2nd Amendment all we want, we can post our protests over what the Congress is doing to our rights, we can complain when Obama takes away our rights using Administrative Law rather then criminal or constitutional law, but it all does NO good whatsoever except making us feel good. What we need is a new party, well a new belief that All Americans who feel this way can join together, select leadership in EVERY State, and go forth to VOTE OUT each and EVERY member of the Senate and Congress, then what we say will indeed count. I know it can’t happen because of the way Congress and the Press have divided our nation but we must bite the bullet and do just that to redeem America and put her back on top where she indeed belongs.
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IIIcorp
Posted on January 6, 2013 at 11:03pmWhile they’re at it, publish the names of all criminals, welfare and food stamp users on the interactive maps.
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bava
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:20amYes, Anne. Let’s release everyone’s medical information. I want to know about the time you had your venereal warts removed. And no, I don’t really care which of my law-abiding neighors has a gun permit. I have one FFS. This idiot would give an aspirin a headache with her nonesense.
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Geiner
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:35amA pregnancy is NOT a medical condition you troll, it’s a BABY! A human being!!
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Sweetrae
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:35amWe would also like to know when you have your cranial rectal procedure as well. I doubt you have an FFS, probably more like an STD. I’m sure it’s utter nonsense to you, but Ann is well above a Dr. Seuss comprehension level so scooter, I can see why it’s overwhelming and makes poor liberals like you angry. But liberals are always angry.
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zapparules
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:42amSWEETRAE…
Nice name calling.
I suppose it is angry liberals sending threatening emails/letters to the newspaper – ???
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GEINER…
And when a pregnancy becomes a threat to the health of the mother…. What is that? Any of your business? With the information… Will you be making the medical decisions for the pregnant women?
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:43amwhat about it is “nonsense” exactly? If ANYTHING, her argument makes far MORE sense. Anyone depraved enough to murder their own baby more than likely has NO issue with mine being murdered as well. On the contrary, releasing the names of law abiding gun owners not only keeps NO ONE safe, it puts all non gun owners at risk. While we are at it, putting out the names of everyone that has an STD that has been treated by any clinic or through any program that receives government funds (as you, sort of, suggested) is also a GREAT idea (by liberal logic). That way you know which skanks to stay away from…or, if you like russian roulette, which skanks to go holler at!
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:02amZAPPA, nice straw man…would you mind showing what % of abortions are due to “life threatening conditions”? I’ll tell you, in case you are having a hard time with the “research”…LESS THAN .5%!!! That is a statistical ZERO. Moron.
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towerguy
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:02amGeiner: You hit the nail on the head with your comment. Non-classic liberals see unplanned babies as an inconvenience… a medical problem, if you will.
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KissMyAmericanFlag
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:50pmLOL!!! Touche, ACoulter, and Touche, SweetRae! Keep it going;-)
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:26pm@Geiner
“A pregnancy is NOT a medical condition”
Yes it is. You might be seeing “condition” and thinking “problem,” but that’s your own bias and does not negate actual facts. Pregnancy is very much a medical condition.
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Master.Debater
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:53pmThere is no constitutional right to have an abortion like there is a right to bear arms.
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charles116
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:59pmAnd when she had her nuts removed.
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Balzy
Posted on January 6, 2013 at 11:23amfirst off she didn’t say EVERYONE, you troll
secondly i didn’t know warts had their own heartbeats… or specific dna…. hmmm or you’re just mad at ann for being right, in both cases they(gun-owners and abotionists) are completely legal to do what they do. In both cases there is records of these people, yet they choose that gun-owners should have their personal information exposed in such a way because they MIGHT kill someone instead of those who have medical records of without a doubt killing someone… just cause you don’t like her, doesn’t mean she doesn’t make an darn good point.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:18amOne of the few good perks of living in Ohio. We don’t have to register our guns.
Gotta love Annie though. She makes liberals eyes bleed. LOL
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zorro
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:49amShe makes me cringe. What a ******* bafoon. She’s the reason why the left so easily mocks us.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:53amRight on Squid, same thing I’ve been saying. Not many places “require” permits or registration, thankfully. These kinds of stunts only happen in the heavily controlled authoritarian zones like NY, NJ, Illinois.
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Zorro1
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:01amZorro– Why is it that you miss the point so often? Can’t you see well from your cringed *****-whipped position?
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ravinginfidel
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:17amI think I’m in love (pure and chaste from afar) with Ann Coulter. With wit and biting sarcasm she points out the flaming hypocrisy of the gun grabbing liberty thieving left.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:46pmI love her comebacks too. She socks them in the jaw, the gut and the crotch all at the same time! Booya! Don’t mess with the mouthy, tall, legged blond chick!
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palerider54
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:40pmYou got that right. LOVE the Lucasville Ohio, flea market, that happens three times a yr.
Have bought and sold MANY, MANY guns there. Cash & Carry.
Ann makes blood shoot from the eyes of what I call PROGLIBS. I used one of her sayings at a CHRISTMAS Dinner. When the topic of why do you need a 30 round clip to deer hunt with question came up I replied, ” THE 2nd. AMENDMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING, TARGET SHOOTING, OR SIMPLY OWNING GUNS. IT IS ALL ABOUT KEEPING A DICTATOR GOV. IN CHECK WITH A MILITIA.
Man, did that shut them up..
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American_Made
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:17amPublish every home without a gun. In fact put gun free zone yard sign in front of the house. These Democrats are worthless Hippocrates. They want to own guns but don’t feel you should. Obastard doesn’t want you to be able to protect you and your family but wants the secret service protecting him and his family armed to the hilt including assault riffles that are FULLY automatic. Throw them out!!!
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Proverbs17-12NLT
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:05amKeep up the great work Ann, you know what it takes to ‘push back’ against democrats.
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charles116
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 4:00pmHow is making no sense – pushing back?
What she’s asking IS AGAINST THE LAW.
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palerider54
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 8:48pmWhats the matter “CHARLES116″ HAD ONE TOO MANY ABORTIONS ?????
Just how many of your unborn children have you murdered? BTW, they will be there in heaven at your judgement day.
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zapparules
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:00amStill think it should have been Christie as the nominee Miss C.?
(I almost forgot about that. Thanks The_Jerk)
Please… Keep sharing your fabulous views Miss C. They are indeed enjoyable to hear.
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lbesq
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:49pmChristie Might have stood a better Chance than Mitt, and I voted for Mitt. Christie is not afraid to say what he means, even if it does not “go” with the Party line. MOOT point at this juncture in the time line. Mr. Obama won, and we now have to deal with that. Register my weapon, if I had one, NO! I took an OATH to Defend the Constitution, and MY country. NOT the Leaders.
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sizzlinsexybeckster
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:55amAnn Coulter is out of control and hopefully being sarcastic.
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zorro
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:02amAgreed. The two are not even close. What an imbecilic comparison.
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:02amThe TROLLS are now on the Clock !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pitcher
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:07amI think her reasoning is very rational. Why not release names of women receiving abortions? They ought to be public. Sexy, don’t dismiss her logic. Why doesn’t the general public have the right to know the women that are completely willing to murder a human being. Rapist have to report their whereabouts. This may be the biggest reason of cultural or moral decay in our country. I think Miss Coulter is on to something about addressing this decay. Her suggestion alone I don’t believe is enough though to reverse this decay, but a good start!
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Pitcher
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:15amI believe her logic is quite rational. Why not allow the posting of women whom are choosing to commit murder. I believe that this is one of the biggest reasons contributing to the decay of morality in our society. Sexy, they post rapist names- why not post murderer’s names?
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:25amPITCHER…
While many may believe abortion is murder, the current laws say otherwise.
Right now they are considered “medical procedures”.
If you’re serious, work hard to change the law.
In the mean-time, breaking the law- or publicly promoting law-breaking, reduces the argument’s credibility.
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GuruMeditation
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:37amNo she’s not and no she isn’t.
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zorro
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:47amTrolls? Really? Look at my other posts, guy. I’m not a troll; I’m just not an idiot. I’m stauchly pro-life and have even argued against some of you for wanting Conservatives to get away from social issues. But an imbecilic argument is an imbecilic argument. This will be all over MSNBC to show how stupid conservatives are. I hope you both are happy.
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:49amEAST…the current law of the land is ALSO that GUNS ARE LEGAL. So how does your argument mesh with what this newspaper did? They released the names and addresses so that liberals that are scared to death of gun owners could know who to be weary of…the “legality” of their gun ownership didn’t play into it. We are merely asking that this same paper help those of us that value life to stay away from those that do not. If anything, giving out abortion info is MUCH more important to the public good than giving out law abiding gun owners names and addresses…tool
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:55amUSED CZAR…
Yes, guns are legal but, in NY, you must file for a license to have one. That info is public.
I’m not saying it’s right.. i’m just stating how it is.
There are no states that require filing for a license to have an abortion.
I’m not stating THAT’S right either- but it is what it is.
You don’t change laws by breaking them.
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CenterLineStripe
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:56am@Pitcher, Womens medical records are not public record nor should they be. Im sure you would not want your medical records published for the world to see when you had that really embarassing operation to have the stick removed. Anne was trying to prove a point it would seem, but her analogy was not even a different side of the same coin. Totally different ball park. Maybe even different sport. Gun owners do deserve the same privacy laws as everyone else and what that paper did in NY was dumb and irresponsible, but comparing that to medical procedures and the like is just as dumb.
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towerguy
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:00amThe only, and I mean the ONLY way that liberals can be made to understand how completely idiotic their proposals are is to put things into terms that they can understand. Suggesting that women who have had abortions names be published is a fantastic way to make them see how stupid the idea of publishing gun owners names and addresses is. I would have gone one step further; I would have mentioned that by publishing the names and addresses of women who have aborted babies, it would allow for churches to quickly provide outreach to these women. Watch the sparks fly when the liberals think that God-fearing Christians might come to their door to ask them to repent. It’s certainly no worse than providing criminals with a database on who to rob and who to avoid. (By the way, I don’t support publishing either the names and addresses of gun owners nor the names and addresses of abortion participants – but forcing liberals to consider it helps make the point. I DO SUPPORT free mental health care for liberals as non-classic liberalism/statism is clearly a mental disease.)
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papallama1
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:00am@EAST – but isn’t it ironic that the current law says that abortion is not murder, but if a criminal kills a woman and her unborn child, he/she can be charged with a double homicide. So it’s murder for the criminal, but just abortion for the woman?
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The-Monk
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:01amActually, there is a Federal law, that’s not being enforced, that makes medical records available when someone purchases a gun. That law allows gun dealers to see medical records so they don’t sell a gun to someone with mental issues.
Like all those Children that were forced to take Ritalin and Prozac and are now classified with a mental disorder. Once that Federal law IS enforced they will not be allowed to purchase guns.
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CenterLineStripe
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:02am@USEDCZAR, but can’t you see how the other side sees taking guns away is valuing life as well. Not saying I agree, but if you can’t see the other side’s arguement then you have no idea how to fight against it…tool
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Pitcher
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:06amHey East, No the law doesn’t condone murder because it redefined life. It is our society that has allowed this progressive tactic to stand. I have been taking every opportunity in my adult life to help others understand this evil process. I do hope you see thru the trickery. Every person with any common sense (including Sexy) understand that an unborn child is a human being. Choosing to kill it is murder regardless of any law.
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brigott
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:08amEast,
What the law says isn’t the definition of right and wrong. Laws as you refer to them here are simply agreements that people make with each other regarding how we will live and interact with each other.
There are higher laws than man’s law: Natural Law and God’s Laws. Abortion – the intentional murder of an unborn baby – violates both Natural Law and God’s Laws.
Just because people like Joe Biden or Michelle Obama or Nancy Pelosi say that something is acceptable in our society, that doesn’t mean it is morally right.
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CenterLineStripe
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:08am@Papa, ya it’s like rain on your wedding day or a free ride when you’re already late or the good advice that you just didn’t take, but who would’ve thought :)
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:18amok EAST, I can dig it…sorry for the “tool” comment, I’m a little testy today
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:27amActually PAPAL….
Only 29 States have “fetal homicide” laws and there have only been a couple of convictions when the fetus is within the legal abortion periods allotted by those respective states, as doing so would contradict the legal definition of “personhood”, and very few jurisdictions are willing to tackle this in a way that would potentially get the Supreme Court involved- due to the obvious ramifications on Roe v Wade. All of those cases are currently under appeal BTW.
Instead, these laws are slowly being slipped in, and applied very carefully, and judiciously, as they are the “back door” to eventual abortion prohibition. It’s a very effective Pro-Life tactic. The more convictions that are quietly upheld in this regard, the more precedents are set for reversing Roe v Wade.
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:29amCENTER…I can see how their flawed and idiotic logic would lead them to believe that. However, FACTS (I know, they just get in the way, but I can’t help but use them) prove that legal gun owners STOP a THOUSAND TIMES more crime than they commit. Abortion, by DEFINITION, can do NOTHING except murder babies and emotionally and physically scar women for life.
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:34amBRIGOTT…
I agree with everything you wrote.
I would take it one step further and say i don’t believe laws SHOULD legislate morality.
Laws should legislate civility, and the majority (sometimes unfortunately so) defines what civility is.
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Disabledvet
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:35amI don’t think she is out of control, why not put that list out there, I would like to know who in my area does not think the same as me, and since the president says we have to supply the morning after pill and birth control lets make a list of people that use those and put it out there, also make a public list of any one on welfare, food stamps, social security disablity, so when I see someone drawing disablility that is doing an activity that they should not be able to do I can report them for fraud. I also say any one on welfare should be drug tested before getting the check.
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barber2
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:49amWhat ever happened to ” loose lips sink ships ?” Way too much information being ” shared.” And yet….we still can not see Obama’s school records ! Just more of that ” transparent” Big Lies of the Chicago radical Lefties….and their Lap Dog Media.
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Shasta
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:49am@Pitcher, in many (or most) cases of abortions, the man is on board with the decision to take the life of their unborn. You can’t lay this on women like the men are without guilt or any say in it.
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:52amI’m with @Eastinfection on this one. Everyone debating him isn’t actually responding to his comment, which was simply “breaking the law is not an effective way to change it.” Instead they’re completely ignoring what he said and replying to what they wish he had said, “abortion is legal and SO IT IS MORALLY FINE.”
He didn’t say that, and he’s completely right in that breaking a law (and looking like a lunatic, such as Ann Coulter does for a living) is not an effective way to change the law.
Do yourselves a favor and actually respond to what someone says, not what you wish they had said. It’s the only way to be productive.
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barber2
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:56amLOCKED: Yes. Like our Bill Ayers Lefties who took Alinsky’s advice : get a law degree; put on a suit; use the system to change the system. Sure seems to be working for our ” Change” Artists on the Left !
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Cain13
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:12pmEAST said “If you’re serious, work hard to change the law.
In the mean-time, breaking the law- or publicly promoting law-breaking, reduces the argument’s credibility.”
I would have to disagree…. And so would Rosa Parks, MLK Jr, and Susan B Anthony. Civil disobedience (breaking the law) can have a huge impact when it comes to creating change in law. There are many cases all over the world and going back through out history in which civil disobedience has changed laws. Done correctly, breaking the law can without a doubt strengthen an arguments credibility.
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:26pm@Cain13
“Civil disobedience (breaking the law) can have a huge impact when it comes to creating change in law.”
Not when it violates the rights of other people. Releasing personal medical information is a clear violation of privacy. And there’s a difference here too; Susan B Anthony or Rosa Parks might be the faces of the movements, but you can all but guarantee that they were not the ones involved in actually changing the laws of the country. We have faces for the anti-abortion movement: millions of them, in fact. Ann Coulter is NOT an effective face for it.
And unlike Parks or Anthony, Coulter is doing this for the money, not because her personal rights are being violated.
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:38pmCAIN…
Publishing private medical records is not civil disobedience.
Refusing to fund Obamacare, however, would be.
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CenterLineStripe
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:56pm@UsedCzar, but you didn’t use facts in your statement. The “THOUSAND TIMES” statement is a overblown opinion. Kinda like former Sen. Kyle of AZ saying that abortion is 97% of what Planned Prnthood does. How about a real figure for that statement, then maybe I could get behind you. Granted, responsible gun owners do stop more deaths than abortion, just saying you didn’t use facts.
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HYPNOTOAD
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:01pmZORO: “This will be all over MSNBC to show how stupid conservatives are.” Who the hell cares what MSNBC thinks or says? It’s like saying “I’m telling the KKK”. Stupidity on parade.
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Pitcher
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:15pmShasta and Locked
You are correct to a point Shasta, guys that push their gals to abortion are wrong also.
Locked you may want to reread TowerGuys post. I think this is what most are talking about.
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objectivetruth
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:16pmOk thats it.All of you are totally out of control.It wasn’t right to release the names of gun permit holders.In fact its not only wrong.I suspect its also illegal.Two wrongs don’t make a right.Calling for the release of abortion records is also very wrong.Before any of you staunch prolifers give me a ration fo crap don’t,.This would not only hurt the woman.It would also potentially hurt any living children the woman has.you claim to care so much about unborn life.How about you step to the plate and care about life already here.Living children.
For what its worth if medical records were easily releaseable and public record then crimes associated with it would more easily be caught.Fricking eos wouldn’t have been able to do what was done to my family and myself.
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:32pm@Pitcher
“you may want to reread TowerGuys post. I think this is what most are talking about.”
You, specifically, were not. You called abortion murder (which East pointed out it is not, legally, murder). You also said that releasing private medical information is a “rational idea.” It’s not. It’s idiotic. It’s wrong for gun permit holders’ information to be released, and it’s wrong for private citizens’ medical information to be released.
God save us from big-government social conservatives. I can deal with it from the liberals, but when someone on the right advocates intruding upon other peoples’ lives and begins lobbing phrases like “rational” around, I can’t help but think they’re speaking a different language.
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:35pm@Pitcher (cont)
Also, look up Poe’s Law. I don’t think Ann Coulter is a Poe, but we have enough nuts here nodding and going “Yeah, that’s a great idea!” that it’s starting to make conservatives look as nutty as liberals. Even if Coulter herself wouldn’t actually support this happening (and I personally think she’d be fine with it), the fact that so many posters like YOU think it’s a great idea shows what dire straits we’re in.
On the other hand, posters like Tower realize it’s a discussion topic, not something that should actually happen. You don’t seem to realize that… or at least you haven’t indicated that you do.
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:56pmActually, CENTER, depending on what stats you use, my statement was an UNDERSTATEMENT. Guns were used to STOP crime nearly 3 million times in 2011. The total number of crimes committed where a gun was in ANY WAY involved was only 450k…that includes drug busts and any other warrant served where a gun was simply in the house, or an assault or robbery or whatever where the gun WASN’T USED but was merely in the perps possession. That is about six times more likely that a gun is used to stop a crime. If you take only the crimes where the gun was an “active participant”, then that ratio doubles. If you go to just the number of gun deaths, then my “thousand times” figure is just about right…what say you now?
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CenterLineStripe
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:37pm@Czar, Touche good sir…would like some links where you got your stats, but as the Stones say, you can’t always get what you want. take care
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:38pmHey LOCKED…just a question, not really looking to rile your feathers…killing a black man during the days of slavery wasn’t “legally” murder. Not was killing a Jew in Germany during the holocaust. Nor is killing an “infidel” in many Muslim countries. Do you really want THIS governments laws being deciding factor on what you label as “murder”? Or really ANY label of “right or wrong”?
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:58pm@Used
Not riled at all. I’m happy to respond.
“Do you really want THIS governments laws being deciding factor on what you label as “murder”?”
As far as I know, “THIS government” (presumably you mean the Obama administration?) has not made any new laws redefining murder. If they change the definition to claim that killing certain races or religions does not constitute murder, then I’ll definitely be against it.
“Or really ANY label of “right or wrong”?”
The government should not (and by and large is not) be the arbiter of what is right and wrong. They are the arbiter of what is legal in the country. It’s been that way since… oh, since we’ve had any government, not just the US. And legality is not inherently a moral judgment. For example, as fellow Christians we know that remarriage after divorce is adultery. Adultery in the Bible is immoral (and in the OT, punishable by death). But I don’t think the government should refuse to allow divorce or remarriage just because an action might not align with biblical morality, nor do I think we should put people to death if they remarry.
It is up to each individual to decide for themselves what is right and wrong. If they break the law while doing so, they’ll be punished by the law. And if they break God’s laws while doing so, God will decide their ultimate fate.
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 5:23pmLOCKED…I meant this government as in the past SEVERAL admins, we all know most of what has been done to us over the past few decades is both immoral and unconstitutional. Row v wade is an ILLEGAL law (I know it’s contradictory, don’t really know how to say it)…however, you are right that MORALITY cannot be regulated, otherwise sharia here we come.
CENTER…yeah sorry, I’ll have to hook you up with the link later, each piece
Of info was on a different site, and now I’m on my phone which makes it hard, sorry
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Cain13
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 6:17pmLOCKED and EAST
Just to clarify, I was merely address the lines that i quoted. Which was saying that breaking the law weakens arguments and doesn’t promote real change. That simply isn’t true. I’m not saying we should post names and addresses of people who have had abortions. However, as i said, “Done correctly” breaking the law can very well promote change and strengthen an argument.
LOCKED
Yes Coulter gets paid for what she does but that doesn’t mean that is the full reason for why she is doing it. Simply put, you don’t know her real motivation. Maybe it is for money, or maybe she truly believes, like millions of others in the US, that abortions are murder and is trying to protect the humans that cant protect themselves.
I find it somewhat odd that scientists, medical professionals, and educators pretty much all say that the human life cycle begins at conception, yet we still have to have a discussion on whether abortion kills humans.
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Pitcher
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:08pmHey Locked, that’s why I referred you to TowerGuy and stated most look at it that way. I do believe both abortion and guns as we’re speaking of posting names is wrong. I do think TowerGuy described what Coulter was doing pretty accurately. Beyond that I believe a society that condones abortion is wrong. It is your acceptance of legal abortion as not being murder is why this society has not changed it. Please tell me what choosing to kill an unborn human being is called. What are your words for it? Now try and tell me from the unborn child’s perspective what you would call it?
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:23pm@Pitcher
Looks like I struck a nerve?
“Please tell me what choosing to kill an unborn human being is called.”
Abortion.
“What are your words for it?”
See above.
“Now try and tell me from the unborn child’s perspective what you would call it?”
From a fetus’s perspective? It doesn’t have one. It has no consciousness. It has no cognition. You don’t know what it is from the fetus’s perspective either because a fetus doesn’t have the kind of thinking that you and I have.
I think abortion is morally wrong, as does the Bible. I do not equate killing a fetus to killing a person… same as the Bible. That’s my own view (based on the Bible), and I understand there are those who think abortion is not a sin or that a fetus is somehow not alive. I disagree with them.
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Pitcher
Posted on January 5, 2013 at 6:26amAnd finally Locked and not just you
I have had a number of discussions on this subject and have found that most people will only state their opinion. It is in an area where the discussion gets to the ‘Why’s’ of the subject I have made some very sad observations. This is one reason I am reluctant to engage in this type of format. But I will share my concerns because I have hopes Glenn will engage as I feel this subject is the core of his current quest.
I have found when the discussion gets to the ‘Why’, things change. For an example: when consciousness comes in I begin to become alerted of a damaged psych. The percentages in my personal experience are extremely high. It alerts me of instability and tendencies to violence. In a real discussion while in the lion’s den (in a room where my voice was the only dissenting view of 8), past consciousness and ‘what else do you get when you unite a human sperm with a human egg other than a human being?’ The reply was a dog or a cat! Yes, I use the word irrational and absurd for a reason but at this time it led to a tear. I understood at that time he had been consumed, all 8 were in agreement as a den has that as a characteristic. This man was psychologically damaged, after the den dispersed I tried to calm the rage within him but was physically rebutted. Two days later, very sadly, this man shot his brains out with a shotgun in front of his wife and children.
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Pitcher
Posted on January 5, 2013 at 6:44amContinued
As for the other 7, one went to jail for murder with a gun, 2 others committed suicide with a gun, one was killed by his son with a baseball bat. I am not suggesting this is a gun issue. I am suggesting the “legality” of murder causes very serious consequences in the human psych and is a contributor to the violence we are seeing in America today.
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B-Neil
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:48amThe Plain Dealer once attempted to post the locations of gun violance in Cleveland. That lasted about two days to my recollect. Gun violance locations should be published. Then Al Sharpton could have something to really scream about as he ducks and slithers through his Brothers neighborhood. Am I out of line? I don’t think so. Lets get Progressive about gun violance and who the main shooters are. Lets try truth in statements.
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jcldwl
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:59amI couldn’t agree more.
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BrutalTruth
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:22amIt’s “violence”, not violance. Does it matter if the terrible “gun violence” was a matter of self-defense, or does any discharge of a gun qualify? How about publishing a list of those who cannot perform rational thinking? Aren’t those people a great harm to society?
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B-Neil
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:14pm@ BRUTULTRUTH– Thank you for that spell check. I want to party with you. That is if I can wait long enough for you to explain what a party is.
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jcldwl
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:47amhttp://fox2now.com/2013/01/03/belleville-police-lift-ban-on-dennys/
Denny’s came to their senses.
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chips1
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:24pmToo late. They came out of the closet. Can’t go back in again. It’s a one way trip.
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TIMEBOMB
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:44amAll this talk of lists is tedious since I have the only list that counts,my brown shirts at DHS will round up the guns on my order and you won’t be able to stop me. Your resistance is futile and you will be brought to heel and acknowledge me as your supreme ruler. You will kiss my ring,the one with the transcription Islam is the one true religion. I will finish off the constitution and bill of rights and establish my caliphate here in new Amerika. Praise be to me BHO.
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Cavallo
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:02amIf you keep tipping your hand to Beck, Chrissy Mathews will have to be put on suicide watch.
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airborneoathkeeper
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:06amThey won’t be wearing brown…….they will be wearing the uniform of a United States soldier. The very sad fact is in the comparison of campaign contributions from our military to King Barry as opposed to what they gave to Romney which was a little over half of what their lord and savior received. They will use Obamacare as a means to take guns from most homes and the “crazies” will get a call from the a-fore-mentioned soldier. All of this won’t really start until Princess Pelosi is speaker of the house and don’t think for a minute that she won’t assend to that post. Remember, King Barry has NEVER lost…..NEVER. He WILL get his way and the Constitution WILL be replaced by a resounding majority.
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Teaple
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:43amAbortion murders 135 babies every hour of every day in this country. Where is the outrage against this slaughter of innocents?
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:56amPut quite simply, most Americans don’t think of it as murder.
If you want to change that, you have to change the minds of those individuals, one-by-one.
The pro-life movement should re-direct it’s resources towards this goal.
Instead they waste time and money “preaching to the choir” or funding candidates that make futile promises to affect legislation on a Federal Level.
Reversing Roe v Wade is a pipe dream until the American people demand it.
The American people will not demand it unless they believe life begins at conception.
Right now, for the most part, they simply don’t.
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zorro
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:06amThe outrage may be there but these two arguments don’t belong together. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Conservatives sound like imbecils when they make arguments like this. Let’s leave the strawman arguments to liberals. Ann Coulter and Hannity are the epitome of establishment and what is killing the GOP. We’ll be better off ignoring these clowns.
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Chromo200
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:34amZORRO The problem with the GOP is not Coulter et al. the problem is that when they were the majority, they blow it away with doing what the Democrats do, spend, send, and screw the people. They also did not support their own people, like Bachman, West, Love, et al.. The GOP does not want true conservatives among them.
The GOP will be a minority party for a long time because the congressional people have no idea what is going out in the America.
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flipper1073
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:15amEASTINVECTION
You are so right. The only way We’re ever going to effect change
to the Abortion Debate it to Change American’s Hearts an Minds.
Not with Legislation or the Supreme Court.
If Anyone thinks that Making a Law Making Abortion Illegal is going
to happen in the near Future Think Again.
Roe vs Wade was an Is Bad Law Poorly Written but overturning it would be
a monumental Task requiring an overwelmingly Conservative Supreme Court.
an that’s NOT going to happen Soon.
While I think most people believe that Late Term, Partial Birth an live Birth Abortions
are Murder. They also believe that it’s between a Woman an her Doctor.
Not for the Federal Government to Decide.
Reasonable Restrictions on the aformentioned is what I think is acceptable.
along with Parental Consent. An exceptions for Rape,Incest an life of the Mother.
Remove the Government from the Discussion. Change the Hearts an Mind of People
an you will get Fewer Abortions an isn’t that the Goal Here ?
I’m Sure I’ve Pissed off Both the Pro-life People an The Pro-Choice People.
But then it’s just My Opinion.
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THX-1138
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:45am@Eastinfection
Record low. People know it’s murder.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/Pro-Choice-Americans-Record-Low.aspx
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:32pmTHX…
while the trend cited in that poll certainly appears to be positive, don’t you find it disturbing that the same study says that while 51% think abortion is murder, 52% think it’s a women’s right to have one?
That contradiction is also trending upwards, according to your source.
That says to me that Pro-choicers are getting increasingly comfortable with calling abortion “murder”- not that less people are identifying themselves as “Pro-choice”.
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THX-1138
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:22pm“don’t you find it disturbing that the same study says that while 51% think abortion is murder, 52% think it’s a women’s right to have one?”
How else could it work?
Understand, it is no accident that the (Leftist) Government and Media agree on virtually every point. The effort to convince people that killing a human being is perfectly acceptable as as old as Government itself. It gives the Government the “right” to kill anyone they care to. We are now killing US Citizens with drones but no trial. And no complaints. We kill Murderers and we kill Babies. Life is not sacred according to our Law, for *some* people.
Keep your mouth shut and do what you’re told or you could be one of the people it is acceptable to kill.
Americans are largey idiots. Most people are. That’s why Government is so successful. And people are in such misery.
The bottom line for me?
“As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
– H. L. Mencken (Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920)
In other words, we’re doomed anyway. “We have met the enemy and he is us.”
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 3:25pmWow THX… that is a frightening quote….
reminds me of the Joaquin Phoenix line in Gladiator about “pulling the people into his buxom.”
Same fight, really. Distracting the people while you neuter their Liberty….
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charles116
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 4:04pmThe majority are aborted fetus are no bigger than a lima bean.
Folks usually are unaware the 12 year old ( or grown woman)was even pregnant and she can quickly return to school, home or job and her normal life.
Period.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 4:13pmNowhere cause it is only tissue that Pepsi gets to practice their cola formulas on, right? Just tissue. Just cells. Unformed. Going nowhere. Hanging around inside a woman. Wasting space. Just burn it with saline solution and suction it out. Over. Done. No Problems. A heartbeat did you say? Bahh. That is crap. Now for those gun owners in Westchester County, NY…..they are obviously a bunch of murderous people but abortion doctors and Planned Parenthood? That is woman’s healthcare didn’t you know????
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:30amWell said AC. Unbiased wisdom from a great person.
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jeanr
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 7:57pmWisdom? Hmmm. I would have thought that a wise person would be aware of something called HIPAA.
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:30amI smell what you’re cooking Ann, but it’s not a fair comparison.
Releasing gun owner’s information, while tacky, irresponsible, and certainly “bad form”, is not illegal. It was information already available to the public via FIA.
Releasing medical records IS illegal. It would be like releasing the names of everyone who has testicular cancer or gonorrhea.
A more appropriate response would be to release the names of everyone on food stamps, or everyone who collects welfare.
Also, i know of several Pro-Life activists that have had an abortion, and became Pro-Lifers after suffering serious psychological trauma, and guilt, after understanding exactly what they did to the life they carried. Many of these people were brainwashed into believing life began at birth only to painfully realize that they were lied to.
Your vindictiveness does not justify interfering with their atonement process. That is between them and The Lord.
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forthepeople
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:36amThe Left would, if it favored there agenda ?
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:44am“It would be like releasing the names of everyone who has testicular cancer or gonorrhea”……………..
One thing would be for sure. No one in Congress would have Testicular Cancer because they don’t have any Grapes, but ALL of them would certainly have Gonorrhea.
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:45amI know they would, FORTHEPEOPLE, but i’d prefer we reduce ourselves to their level.
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:48am*not
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:50amActually, there is a workaround. The licensing of physicians is public record (I assume, else why the license?). How about publishing the names and addresses of all doctors that perform abortions?
But meh, it’s all goofy.
The best solution is for government to stop requiring registration or permits, in the few states where it exists. They can’t pull this stunt in South Dakota, or Ohio.
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:58amyou’re right GHOST- though most of them already do it voluntarily in the Yellow Pages.
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:59amMorning GHOST. You have been some what silent lately. Good to see you around again.
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The-Monk
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:01amMorning East,
You had me worried there for a moment…… “not”. LOL
I do the same thing sometimes. : )
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:12am@Armed
I’m trying to get a site up and running and active. It’s nice being able to post posts longer than 1500 characters, and the allure of bumper sticker comments is rather poor and becoming poorer day by day. :)
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:13amHey MONK..
Yeah, i usually do a quick skim for grammar and spelling before posting but omitted words are harder to notice when your brain is assuming they’re there.
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SREGN
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:30amWell, every cloud has a silver lining. Since the criminals now know who is armed and who is not, the ratio of unarmed victims to armed victims will go up, and more people will apply for permits so they’re not listed as unarmed. Thank you Journal-News.
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jcldwl
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:35amIt’s a shame people even live in states that require permitting guns. Glad I don’t.
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SREGN
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:51amJCL – Just one more way the government of NJ makes living here a virtual hell. Two more years and I can escape to a free state. Any suggestions?
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towerguy
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:11amSREGN: Try googling the “American Redoubt” and see what you think. If we can manage it, we’re going to move there.
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SREGN
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 4:59pmAs an avid, or rabid as some would say, sailor, it looks like Flathead Lake Montana could go on the short list. Thanks.
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noslave
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:30ami want to see published the names of those on DISABILITY??that chop firewood,enjoy sports,etc. while collecting disability payments??thats a big chunk of money out of my pocket and others?DISABILITY MEANS JUST THAT,YOU SHOULDN’T QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU CUT YOUR FINGER OPENING A COLD BEER?? this way there are many with cameras who can film these mutts,all over america,that would put the cheats in jail where they belong??next welfare cheats??etc.
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Oldphoto678
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:27amI’m on disability, and I still mow my lawn, cut fire wood, wash my car, and even make a little money under the table. I make to much money to get food stamps, but if I could get them I would.
Yup, I get a check every month, but that doesn’t mean I have to quit living just because you don’t like it. You’re going to keep paying my bills, and I’m going to keep living high on the hog on my $964.00 a month. Oh, I forgot. You’re paying a little under $15000.00 a month to keep me alive plus the 1.2 million that you’ve already paid for medical procedures. Thanks!!!
Doesn’t spending all of that money to keep a hardcore progressive alive just make your blood boil? Good!!!
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:03pmsoooo, you’re HAPPY to be a leech and a piece of garbage? Huh, I guess that explains a lot…here I thought most people actually wanted to be a contributor and saw some value in EARNING what they got. That is way I struggle everyday, making 26K a year to feed a family of 5 without taking a SINGLE CENT of government money…because I’m a real man, and a real father and husband. I thank God everyday as I fight to feed my family that no matter how hard life is, at least I’m not a worthless POS like you.
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objectivetruth
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:05pmFirst off unless you have seen the check and verifyed the identity of the recepient assuming they are on disability is useless.What you think welfare scamers [whether terror cells organized crime or other]routinely use their own names?What you may have seen is either a victim of Id theft or a target[Terror cells dont like changing ids.The idea is to all out ruin the individuals life.If the original way of killing them doesn't work then suicide is another option.IdTheft is another tool of achieving this]
to other poster
You must work for a mininum quarters in the last ten years to currently qualify for disability.
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Oldphoto678
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:43pm@usedCZARsalesman
As usual you don’t have a clue. I worked for 43 years before I became disabled with terminal cancer. Though I didn’t work for 26k a year because I had a better paying job because of my education. So I don’t care what you think of people on disability. I worked for it, and I’m entitled to it because I earned it. You keep paying, I’ll keep spending it.
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 5:33pmOLD…”as usual”? Didn’t know you knew me well enough to make that claim, but go for it. Either way, if you can mow your lawn and chop wood, yet draw disability, you are a leech plain and simple…I love you attempt at saying I’m uneducated. University of Michigan school of engineering over here, how bout you bud?
I have both physical and metal issues from my service to this country, and was offered FULL disability by the army, which in cash alone is about 35k a year…I turned it down flat, because I am able bodied and not a freeloader
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SREGN
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:26amI love her. She shines a spotlight on stupidity better than anybody.
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stopprintn
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:23amHow about a list of all the communist teachers & professors around the country. Home adresses, class sceduals, hobbies, hang outs. This could get to be fun.
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barber2
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:34amRemember the Curious Case of Juan Lazaro / Mikhail Vasenkov who was one of the Russian spies sent quietly back to Mother Russia in 2009 by the Obama Administration ? That Russian guy, using his alias, was teaching at CUNY ! Good old “progressive ” New York ! No biggie . Just the usual Communist in residence at an American university. McCarthy must be twirling in his grave…
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Eastinfection
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:36am“Communist teachers” is redundant.
It’s like saying “huge giant”
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Locked
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 1:56pm“class sceduals”
Seems like someone missed a few too many classes!
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JimC1160
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:21amSomeone should put the paper’s employees names and addresses on line. After all its public knowledge…right?
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Geiner
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:49amSomeone already did that. Now the paper has had to hire ARMED security to protect them from their own stupidity! Ahhh, LOVE the irony!!
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:19am.
We need a list of PC White Obama Voting Morons so we know where to send the mobile Spay & Neuter truck…………
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Fubared
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:24amAnd clip the left ear for redundancies sake.
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MAX0O1
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:39amLOVE IT Love it!!!!!!!!!!
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 12:01pmLOL…..good one
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noslave
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:13amhey when democrats make deliberate mistakes “that info got misplaced/lost??OOPS??the state should make the same ACCIDENTAL MISTAKES??? give all the names and addresses of all liberal democrats instead and hopefully the mutts in charge,chomping at the bit will publish them without checking??they only check things that could screw the democrats??
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zapparules
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:10amSo Miss C argues against one stupid act by proposing another stupid act.
Want to stop the release of gun ownership records… CHANGE THE LAW so that such info is not public record.
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Mike Opelka
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:15amPerhaps “hyperbole” should be your word of the day? “Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.”
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woodyee
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:16amShe’s on the right track.
If you got punched in the face, would you want to wait for someone to change the law to make punching you in the face illegal?
Oh, wait, it already is…
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:16amI have an even better idea. Stop registering firearms in the few states that do (New York, NJ, Illinois). There’s no public record if you don’t register. They can’t pull this stunt in Ohio, or Wyoming for example, as I don’t need to “register” any firearm I legally acquire.
The solution, as always, is less government, not more, and it keeps this whole tit for tat thing in the can.
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mullet
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:16amYes, its a logical argument called reduction to absurdity.
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jettson
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:24amShe was making a point to the outrage of the idea to releasing the names and addresses of gun owners. Hey maybe there should be a law on stupid
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jcldwl
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:39amHow about drop the gun owner permits. After all that infringes the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment says nothing about having to get a permit to keep and bare arms. It says the right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. They want to infringe more and the permitting allows this. Don’t register your constitutionally allowed guns.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:48am@JCL
Most states do not require registration or permits of any kind. :)
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zapparules
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:11amSame point remains then to you folks saying get rid of the registration law…
CHANGE THE LAW
Or, as so many of you like to offer: If you don’t like it… Leave. Folks have the choice. Go to where the laws are as you like them.
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Fubared
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:19amZappa
Every law since the 2nd has been illegal. Illegals aren’t even illegal anymore. Do more LSD.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:56am@Zappa
Actually, don’t change the law. Get the case up before SCOTUS and get it struck down. There should be NO LAW like this, not a revised law that only does certain infringements and not others.
And a man should not have to leave the home of his family (for generations) because some rogue politicians decide to violate his rights. NY and NJ really need their few patriots there to get the stones to get the legal ball rolling in courts.
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Think_4_yourself
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:10amLet’s see if they will release the names and addresses of people receiving government assistance? So we can see why our taxes keep going up. Betting that won’t happen though.
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dmforman
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:50amLove your idea even better. It might surprise some to see which neighbors, relatives, friends are receiving assistance from the government. We need to open people’s eyes to what is happening.
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THX-1138
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 11:37amI see a new iPhone app coming. It would be a great way to know if it’s time to get out of your neighborhood as the Section 8′s move in..
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MikeCPA
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:50pmGood idea, taxpayers should see who they’re supporting.
Maybe they’ll get a Christmas card or a thank-you note.
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TAXEVERYONE
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:09amPublish the names of the women, the doctors and the clinic staff.
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MikeCPA
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 2:48pmGood idea. Transparency!
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leasecommander
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:04amCoulter is one of the few with any “juevos” , go get ‘em girl.
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FED-UP-AND-READY-TO-TAKE-ACTION
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:11amU go girl……………..well said
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The_Jerk
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:22amShe’s a little schizoid. If you remember, she was the one most goo-goo about that phoney, fat bastard, Christie.
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barber2
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:36amJERK : If only the Democrats were as divided as conservatives, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are now in. Well, that and if conservatives had total MSM control as the radical Left now has….
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jcldwl
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:44am@ jerk
I agree she makes some really great statements from time to time but I never agree with her on who a candidate should be. Her problem is that is an area where she let’s her emotions take over and loses common sense. She was all Romney as well.
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Fubared
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 10:07amJihad jerk is pulling his punches: she is a female and deserves no say in jihad jerk land. Only tried and true aryans have a say in jihad jerk land. No minorities, females need not apply. Don’t be coy now nazi boy.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 4, 2013 at 4:17pmMaybe if your house got hit and you were sitting in a pile of rubble clutching your family photos in your bathrobe you might think different. FEMA is supposed to send money to disaster relief. Chris Christie is simply using a fun that is set up for such purposes. But, the Obama hug? I could sock him in the nuts for that one. Idiot!
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