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Horrific Details Revealed at Hearing for Colo. Theater Shooter: ‘I Didn’t Want Anyone Else to Die’

Jan. 7, 2013 9:15pm Jason Howerton

Graphic Details Revealed at Hearing for Colo. Theater Shooter James Holmes

This courtroom sketch shows James Holmes being escorted by a deputy as he arrives at preliminary hearing in district court in Centennial, Colo., on Monday, Jan. 7, 2013. Investigators say Holmes opened fire during the midnight showing of the latest Batman movie on July 20, killing 12 people and wounding dozens. Credit: AP

CENTENNIAL, Colo. (AP) — The officers struggled to hold back the tears as they recalled the Colorado theater shooting: discovering a 6-year-old girl without a pulse, trying to keep a wounded man from jumping out of a moving police car to go back for his 7-year-old daughter, screaming at a gunshot victim not to die.

“After I saw what I saw in the theater – horrific – I didn’t want anyone else to die,” said Officer Justin Grizzle, who ferried the wounded to the hospital.

A bearded, disheveled James Holmes, the man accused of going on the deadly rampage, didn’t appear to show any emotion as Grizzle and the other officers testified Monday in a packed courtroom as survivors and families of those who died watched quietly. At one point, a woman buried her head in her hands when an officer recalled finding the 6-year-old girl.

“He’s heartless. He really is. He has no emotion. He has no feeling. I don’t know anybody can live that way,” Sam Soudani said of the gunman afterward. His 23-year-old daughter survived after being hit by shrapnel from an explosive device at the theater.

On the first day of a hearing that will determine whether there’s enough evidence to put Holmes on trial, the testimony brought back the raw emotions from the days following the July 20 attack at the suburban Denver theater that left 12 people dead and dozens wounded.

The massacre thrust the problems of gun violence and mental illness into the forefront before they receded in the ensuing months. Now, just weeks after a shooting spree at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school left 20 children and six adults dead, prosecutors are laying out their case with the nation embroiled in a debate over gun violence and mental illness.

Any new details to emerge this week – including Holmes’ mental state – will come amid the discussion over an array of proposals, including tougher gun laws, better psychiatric care and the arming of teachers.

This courtroom sketch shows Aurora Police officer Justin Grizzle as he testifies at a preliminary hearing for James Holmes at a district court in Centennial, Colo., on Monday, Jan. 7, 2013. Credit: AP

This courtroom sketch shows Aurora Police Detective Matthew Ingui pointing to a large photograph of the inside of the Century 16 theater as he testifies at a preliminary hearing for suspected Aurora theater shooter James Holmes at preliminary hearing in district court in Centennial, Colo., on Monday, Jan. 7, 2013. Holmes has been charged in the shooting at the Aurora theater on July 20 that killed twelve people and injured more than 50. TV OUT. Credit: AP

The hearing is the first extensive public disclosure of the evidence against Holmes. Other information has come out, including details about how he legally bought his guns in person and purchased thousands of bullets and body armor online as well as a notebook that he sent to a psychiatrist he had seen.

A district judge forbade attorneys and investigators from discussing the case publicly, and many court documents have been under seal.

It took this long to get to the preliminary hearing because lawyers have been debating what physical evidence should be made available to one side or the other, whether the psychiatrist who met with Holmes is barred from testifying by doctor-patient privilege and who was responsible for media leaks.

It wasn’t immediately clear whether the doctor would testify this week.

On Monday, prosecutors called on the first responders to testify about the shooting at the midnight showing of the latest Batman movie, “The Dark Knight Rises,” in Aurora. Holmes had bought his ticket almost two weeks in advance. Investigators say Holmes, wearing body armor, tossed two gas canisters into the packed theater and then opened fire.

When officers arrived, they saw people running out of the theater and trying to drive away. Others walked. Some of the wounded tried to crawl out.

Officers found Holmes standing next to his car. At first, Officer Jason Oviatt said, he thought Holmes was a policeman because of how he was dressed but then realized he was just standing there and not rushing toward the theater.

Oviatt pointed his gun at him, handcuffed him and searched him. He said he found two knives and a semi-automatic handgun on top of Holmes’ car. An ammunition clip fell out of his pocket and Oviatt found another on the ground. He said Holmes was dripping in sweat and his pupils were wide open.

Prosecutors did not indicate why Holmes’ pupils were dilated.

Oviatt said Holmes seemed “very, very relaxed” and didn’t seem to have “normal emotional reactions” to things. “He seemed very detached,” he said.

Holmes volunteered that his apartment had been booby trapped, the officers said.

At one point, Grizzle asked Holmes if anyone had been helping him or working with him. “He just looked at me and smiled … like a smirk,” Grizzle recalled.

Officer Aaron Blue said Holmes was fidgeting around after he and Oviatt put him in a patrol car, prompting them to stop and search Holmes again. They were worried they might have missed something because of Holmes’ bulky outfit.

Inside the theater, the movie was still playing on the screen. An alarm was going off and moviegoers’ cellphones rang unanswered. There was so much blood on the floor, Grizzle said, that he slipped and almost fell down.

Blue went with Jessica Ghawi, who was shot in the head, to the hospital. He said he held the head of the 24-year-old aspiring sportscaster steady in the backseat while someone else drove so she could keep breathing. She later died.

Caleb Medley was also wounded in the head, and Grizzle recalled the 23-year-old aspiring comedian struggling to breathe on the way to the hospital. Every time he thought Medley had stopped breathing, Grizzle said, he yelled at the man not to die. Medley survived, and his wife gave birth to their first baby days after the shooting.

Another man Grizzle took to the hospital kept asking where his 7-year-old daughter was. For about half of the trip, Grizzle said, he had to restrain him from jumping from the patrol car. At one point, the man opened the door and tried.

Sgt. Gerald Jonsgaard recalled not finding a pulse on the youngest victim, 6-year-old, Veronica Moser-Sullivan. In talking about not finding a pulse on her, Jonsgaard had to stop talking because he was about to break down in tears.

Two pathologists testified that the victims who died were shot anywhere from one to nine times. Matthew McQuinn, 27, who dived in front of his girlfriend to shield her from the bullets, was shot nine times.

Holmes, now 25, is charged with more than 160 counts, including murder and attempted murder. The hearing will allow the judge to determine whether the prosecution’s case is strong enough to warrant a trial, but it’s rare for a judge not to order a trial if a case gets this far.

Legal analysts say that evidence appears to be so strong that Holmes may well accept a plea agreement before trial.

While prosecutors have yet to decide on whether they will seek the death penalty, such a plea could get Holmes a lesser sentence, such as life in prison; help the state avoid a costly trial; and spare survivors and families of those who died from the trauma of going through a lengthy trial.

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Comments (88)

repup
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 9:51am
They dont want to fry this guy, as long as he’s alive they have a poster child for gun control. not to mention all the taxpayer money that will be given out as grants to study him, he will probably have a ghost writer tell his story tool. This guy is evil but evil doesnt stop with him.

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- rosegrower
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 12:34pm
  Colorado doesn’t have the death penalty – they consider themselves too “civilized” for that. Of course, if this nutball is murdered in prison, no one will shed a tear (same mentality as the fine citizens of Wisconsin who applauded when Jeffery Dahmer was set up by prison guards and murdered in plain sight.)
  
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- 226crimsontrace
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 12:40pm
  thanks to the blaze for showing us that sick ugly face again. He offers his thanx for the publicity
  
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- oneshiner
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 1:11pm
  This person is the kind of sicko who’s making the gun-laws be in question. How many times do we have to remind people, it’s not the weapon, it’s the idiot. Someone like him would have used explosives to do that job, had guns not been available. Then there are knives, hammers, negligent doctors & nurses who are responsible for 100,000 deaths each year from mistakes, incompetence, bad attitudes, etc. toward those who are ill..
  First off: I feel sick for the parents of this misguided piece of trash.
  
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- Yeah_Buddy
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 1:21pm
  It just kills me there is no death penalty for a guy that clearly deserves it. Pardon the pun.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 1:27pm
  @ oneshiner
  don’t forget planned parenthood committed a record number of homicides this year and no gun was needed. Just some sharp blades and vacuum hoses.
  
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- glennpatstu
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 2:31pm
  Know who else didn’t believe in the death penalty? Jesus. And God. And supposedly, anyone who knows God and Jesus.
  
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graceunderfire
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 9:36am
Once again…blame the gun not the shooter.
Blame his mental state, not him…
Blame his video games, the movies he watches, but whatever you do, do not blame the shooter.
He shot them, he should be held responsible, end of story.

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 11:49am
  How many Atheists and “nones” were in the theater?
  
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GuruMeditation
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 9:18am
A death sentence is appropriate.

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let4570
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 8:19am
Massacre at sandy hook…..20 innocent children die!

Response: liberals demand more gun restrictions and gun control!

Blame for massacre placed on ar type rifles not on the murderer!

Citizens/officials across america pretend to care about the dead children!

There is a massacre of 3,500 innocent children every day in america!

There corpses are tossed into the nearest trash dumpster!

The media is totally silent! Innocent blood all over america!

Over 58,000,000 children massacred since 1973 in america at a rate of 3,500 a day!

This amounts to more murders than those commited by hitler and stalin combined!

The united states president has put his approval on this massacre of the innocent!

Over half the us citizenry has put their approval on it as well!

The weapon used for this continuing massacre is far worse than any assault rifle could ever be!

This weapon is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction!

It requires no background checks!
It requires little or no restrictions!
In many cases the us government will provide and pay for it!
It requires no license or permit!
The media advertises, promotes and sells it!
Our congress and senate pass laws to protect it!
Doctors get filthy rich off of it!
It is available to the public at large!
We call this weapon of mass distruction:

pro-choice!

If our leaders really gave a tinkers damn about saving lives they would ban abortion not guns!

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- TexVet61
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 11:37am
  while I agree with you on abortion, you can’t really ban that? I mean, if you do that then you won’t have the slutty babs that will have sex with you at the drop of a beer and I loved that when I was in the military, I mean, that is their birth control.. oops, got pregnant, pop a pill and drop a fetus (never call it a baby, that will give it an identity). REALLY, they will only go after those things that stand in their way of power, PERIOD! tho “se that call this way of thinking conspiricy theory thinking are deaf, dumb and blind to what is going on around them, but once its too late, once they have the upper hand and they start takeing all of your money to pay for their RDW programs to the moochers of the country, once they take all of your power to protect yourself and your family, you will hear that switch click in your tiny brain (WAIT A MINUTE, THEY ARE CORRUPT) you will say, then you will hear the hammer fall, because while they took your rights away, made laws making you a criminal, it will be those very laws THEY WON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW!!! when have you EVER seen an elected official follow the same laws you have to?!?!! politician and cops (of all flavors) randum drug tests? HAHAHA NO, have to participate in SSN?! NO, they can privatize, we can’t…. 401K, ha.. no, best damn pension YOUR money can pay for! MOST politicans and cops are corrupt, but watch the brotherhood, they look out for each other!
  
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rangerskippy
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 7:24am
Hmmmmm, the cops did not say anything about finding an NRA membership card on him????

Notice the “dilated pupils”, is one of those things the MSM is not going to want you to hear. They will not want any info about his drug use, video games, homosexual lifestyle, Goth music…. shown to people.

They just want the guns, as they know they cannot come get the Bible, until they first get the guns.

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- repup
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 7:46am
  It’s another shell game to blame the guns, when some white guy goes nuts and kills a bunch of people we have to ban guns, when a muslim does the same thing its just workplace violence.
  When you allow proven crazy people, and proven criminals to walk the streets, it doesnt matter what weapons they can get ahold of. its just bad.
  
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- AlwaysAmazed
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 6:44pm
  I’m all over with the blame game. Was over with it about ten minutes after this maniac indiscriminately murdered people he didn’t know and who didn’t deserve his misguided wrath.
  Was it the guns? Was it insanity? Was it video games? Was he gay? I don’t know and I don’t care to know! It is minutia. What he was, without a doubt, was a coldblooded killer.
  The innocents are dead and buried – the culprit is in custody – evidence to convict is well-beyond that of a reasonable doubt – try him and fry him. Anything less than that and justice will not have been served.
  
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Melika
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 7:12am
Why do these liberals always push the idea of a plea deal which gives a murdering SOB who shouldn’t be drawing breath free meals and health care the rest of their lives a good idea to “spare” the families the trauma of a court hearing. Court hearings are a part of the healing process. The very act of exposing all the facts of a case, of laying bare for all to see the horrors these people experienced, and the process of seeking justice used to be viewed as a means of closure. Instead, we’re treated to this secretive media circus where everyone is hoping that the whole thing gets swept under the rug.
These families and their pain should be heard by the rest of the nation. Our failure as a people to properly handle the mental ill simply because we don’t want to hurt their feelings needs to brought to light. Two cases within 6 months of mentally ill people (and quite possibly under the effects of drugs) murdering others and all we want to do is pretend it didn’t happen. Worse, we pretend it is to “spare” the feelings of the families. If one of those victims was my family member, I would want a public trial so that all the facts are laid bare and the truth known.
And then I would skin the b@stard and provide the absolute best medical service without pain medication so that he lives in agony as long as possible.

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- Matt
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 12:24pm
  Its because they want to study him. They can’t do that if he’s dead. Also, they want their living poster child for gun control.
  
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MisterSarcastic
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 4:28am
Try him and fry him.

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BMWe30M3
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 4:14am
Dude shouldn’t even still be alive!

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Atlappraiser
Posted on January 8, 2013 at 12:18am
He’s a deranged individual, it really wasn’t that hard or emotional for him. Why is that hard to comprehend.

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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 2:16am
  He is demonic. WND published a interesting article that showed how EVERY serial killer going back to Charles Manson were devil worshipers. But in our society of tolerance of the intolerant we allow satanists protection not afforded to Christians.
  http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/satan-worship-motivated-sandy-hook-killer/
  
  America is in a war for her very soul -
  What is being taught in government schools today is to break down basic rules of morality and move culture in a direction designed to destroy it. Large part of this agenda is to make us immoral people. Professors, educationalists and journalists are the Gramscian shock troops of the future to control the culture and once you control the culture you can shape the thought of rising generations and change the country in a way where it can never be changed back again.
  
  Agenda to create an America so corrupt it stinks; use public policy to subvert America from inside, infiltrate and influence our culture driving us in a direction designed to destroy us. . No conspiracy – just verifiable facts! If you don’t know all this you need to find out!
  
  This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. I have watched it 12X to absorb all that is in it…give it 5 minutes and you won’t be able to walk away
  
  Watch it. Share it. Arrange a showing in church, groups, clubs, with friends or family. Everyone who loves America needs to see this movie,
  
  https://vimeo.com/52009124
  
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- DrFreedom
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 4:50am
  They can’t understand it for a couple of reasons. Humans by nature have an uncontrollable urge to ask Why? Daddy why is the sky blue? What are you doing, putting gas in the car,..Why? etc etc.. We always strive for Why? who what when where and… why even in an English Comp Essay? Mix that with the everyone is winner, everyone gets a trophy, if any fails it has to be someone or somethings fault. That kid did bad in class cuz his parents are divorced or she is from a low income house or whatever you never her that kid failed algebra cuz they dumber then dirt! No child left behind etc. So after a generation or two of that crap people can not except that some people are defective, some are dumber then dirt. To them there has to be a reason other than holding people accountable! Hence the cry from the lib’s for “gun control” it can’t be that Adam Lanza or this idiot or any other crazed mass murder is defective no no it must be the his mom hugged him to much or not enough, O its the gun, Or the games or the movies… Can’t be the individuals Fault!! Well folks i hate to break your little bubbles but some people are crazy some are evil and it’s dam time to stop blaming objects like a gun or a movie and start putting the blame ON THE CRAZY EVIL PEOPLE that do these horrible Acts!
  
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Metallicat
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:36pm
You know the media is just going to relentlessly beat every tear jerking moment of this case into the publics mind, that they will eventually agree to anything to make it stop. They say the only way it will end,is if we take away the rights of millions of innocent people. millions will be punished for the actions of a few.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 12:03pm
  “millions will be punished for the actions of a few.”
  “WILL” be punished? Already throwing in the towel? Come on Metal, you are better than that.
  
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ICANHANDLETHETRUTH
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:31pm
Do you guys remember that story a while back about the Nanny who killed those 2 kids and then tried to slit her own throat ? What did the Dad do for a living and what did he report on ?? ? Same question goes for the freak in this post, what did his Dad do for a living ? And the most recent one at Sandy Hook, what did the Dad do for a living ? This whole thing is a fairy tale and we are being played like a fiddle !!!!! I wonder how deep the rabbit hole really goes ?

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- 13a
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:53pm
  “Robert Holmes, 61, is a statistician and senior scientist who received his PhD from the University of California.”
  
  “Peter Lanza lives in Stamford, Conn., and is a tax director at General Electric”
  
  What exactly are you implying? I don’t quite follow.
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 12:08am
  You guys will find this an interesting read. The writer pins several psychotropic drugs to mass murderers, including the Sandy Hook and Aurora, CO ones – http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/
  
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- Zeb
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 6:59pm
  The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.
  
  http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/update-ct-school-shooter-killer-link-to-libor-scandal/
  
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steelpanther
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:14pm
Nice misleading title, Make me think the suspect said that and that some strange twist has came up in the trail.

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- 13a
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:28pm
  That’s exactly why I clicked on this story. The headline is misleading because it implies that James Holmes made that quote.
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 9:17am
  Agreed. I didn’t dig it either.
  
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LouisianaPatriot
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:54pm
“The massacre thrust the problems of gun violence and mental illness into the forefront before they receded in the ensuing months. ”

No, it only thrust the desire of the Communists in our government and elsewhere in the world, to jump on a chance to try to disarm us. It did nothing for the conversations we need to have about mental illness.

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700P
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:22pm
HIPPA will be the death of us all. This is the reason I got my CCW. Now I just need to find a M&P Shield .40 to carry instead of the bulkier G23.. If I ever face this type of monster I’ve promised myself they will not see a court hearing.

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13a
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:20pm
I have been on anti-psychotics, SSRIs, SNRIs, benzodiazepines, etc for a long time and can say that, yeah, they slow me way down. I’m also a responsible citizen that owns firearms and I have never had the urge to kill or murder anyone. In fact, I even quit deer hunting for sport and won’t go elk hunting until I need the meat to survive. I do believe in God, I didn’t grow up playing video games, and I never took Hollywood very seriously. And I did grow up in a very loving, religious household. And I am quite sure that if someone called my mom and said I had killed a bunch of people she would not say “You have the right person.”

Why? Well, I believe because of how I was raised and that I was born into a loving family. I don’t believe Jame Holmes had these blessings in his life that I had. I don’t believe he had a religious moral structure. I think his parents let the schools and the world raise their son. It really comes down to morals. If you teach a child to love God and to love everyone, then that child – even if they are mentally disturbed – will not go down the path that James Holmes did but, rather, they will do the opposite.

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- Metallicat
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:21pm
  I’m sure in most of these cases these murderers are mixing the”suicide pills” with illegal drugs and alcohol.
  
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- 13a
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:44pm
  The sad truth is that these “safe” meds I am on are more hellish to get off of than any illegal drug that I used to abuse then quit. I feel strongly that psychiatry is a pseudo science and that many prescription meds are just as bad as illegal drugs in many ways.
  
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- Female
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 1:48am
  A lot of the stuff happens when they stop taking them but the stuff isn’t clear from their mental system for any proper, natural chemical balance to resume..
  
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- BigSky
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 5:54am
  Most medications are approved by the federal government for the express purpose of either controlling the population or killing it.
  
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TADTAD
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:10pm
Just let the punk slip on a bar of soap, down the ladderwell and suffer a broken neck already…., what the eff does it take? Why do I have to think of everything?

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Salamander
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:04pm
What STOPPED THIS GUY? Other guns–in the hands of the good guys! It is ALWAYS the SAME! ALWAYS! So, why is there an anti-gun crusade rather than a firearms qualification mandate! If you work with the public, you need to be certified in the use of firearms and take a qualification test every three years! If you cannot conform to this requirement, maybe you shouldn’t be workin in a public place!

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:14pm
  So now you want to mandate stuff?
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:02pm
Death penalty should be used when the person is a real danger to other humans and will likely kill again – in that regards i believe he should get the death penalty….The only downside is that we will never know who armed this man and who was helping him

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:14pm
  And, dear old Dad no longer has to testify in the Libor Scandal.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:22pm
  huh?
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:28pm
  But wouldn’t a more severe punishment be life behind bars with a comfy chair and a Hippy asking “are you in touch with your inner child” everyday? That of course would be absolute torture. Maybe even take away his Yoga privilage.
  
  Naaahhh. Put him in the fryer for 30 minutes and feed him to the hogs.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:42pm
  SOY, Google the Libor Scandal. Not drug related, but Holmes’ father and Lanza’s Dad both were to testify to Congress regarding this. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing sounds truly odd.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:07pm
  Hi RJJ,
  
  I’m back. It was a partial scam. Within the law but not my ethics. : (
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:23pm
  Hey Monk:
  
  I was going to ask you a few days ago how your job was going, but I guess that answered it. I do hope you find a good job soon.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:44pm
  Thanks Darmok…. that other one lasted 9 days.
  
  Imagine working for Sheldon Cooper with AADD, bi-polar, raised by a hoarder Mother and yelling at you all day long. And yes, he told me many times that he had an eidetic memory. Even though he didn’t.
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:51pm
  Wow, sounds like the person that hired me for my current job, she tried to get me fired after 1.5 years even though I was the top manager, but she was the one that left. I was about 2 weeks from quitting before they moved her out.
  
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Salamander
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:01pm
Can’t they screen these people out by testing in our public schools? There is no pass/fail, but just ‘Normal’, ‘Keep an eye on this individual, they may need help!’ and ‘Call the Paddy Wagon, this person needs institutionalization RIGHT NOW!’! I mean, talk about ‘profiling’! Every one of these fits THE SAME PROFILE–and it ISN’T a racial one! It’s a ‘lack of feeling’! This could easily be flushed out in testing! Some or most of these people could be helped if identified early enough! And, those that couldn’t be helped, could be secured for the safety of the rest of us!

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- HappyConservative
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:09pm
  LOL surely you jest – If so I am getting your carcasm! “Feeling tests” for everyone! Do it! hehe
  
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- 700P
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:25pm
  Feelings..nothing more then feelings..
  
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HappyConservative
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:49pm
Never mind Holmes. He didn’t kill anyone. It’s the GUNS that did it! Those evil guns that just fly into perfectly sane normal folk’s hands and force them to shoot the trigger!
BAN EVIL GUNS and everything will be solved.
Stupid idiotic liberals. Seriously this is their line of thinking.

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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:56pm
  The MSM will NEVER report that he shied away from two or three theaters that allowed guns until he found the one that was a ” gun-free” zone.
  
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- HappyConservative
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:06pm
  Of course not Anonymous – that wouldn’t fit into the agenda-driven leftist party’s ..well …agenda! LOL
  
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- HumbleMan
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:08pm
  @ATI … there were 20 theaters within the radius of his home to this theater. This was the ONLY one with a no guns policy.
  
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- 9111315
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 1:39am
  “The MSM will NEVER report that he shied away from two or three theaters that allowed guns until he found the one that was a ” gun-free” zone.”
  
  . . . and some how, that seems to be T relevant . . .
  
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lorial
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:45pm
Give him the death penalty. He knew damn well what he was going to do! If the punishment fit’s the crime, maybe that might make these so called wackos think twice before they go and do these horrific acts.

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:56pm
  Public hanging’s anyone and not 30 year’s later?
  
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- Fla.Patriot
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 12:13am
  You’re damn right he will get the death penalty. There’s not a doubt in my mind that this guy was mentally disturbed, which is what is bothering me. A lot of planning went into this. Hell, he bought the tickets 2 weeks in advance. How does a college kid basically living on student loans afford the kind of hardware this kid was packin? Why was he standing at his car WAITING when he could have easily escaped in the confusion? Nope, I aint buying it. This kid was somebodys asset. Someone was working him, and they will make sure that he does not sit on death row long. He served his purpose, and needs to be disposed of as quickly as possible. Am I the only one who has this feeling? I hope not, I’d hate to think that my mental capacity has been reduced to wild speculation
  
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- 2ndOpinion
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 2:35am
  Curious concept of what I call Concurrent Trial and Witness Jury.
  
  Here’s what it does:
  It allows the criminal the ability to choose the date, time, location of their trial, and the members of their own jury. What more could a criminal ask for?
  
  Here’s how it works:
  The crime and the trial happen at the same time, where there are eleven or more witnesses.
  The location of the crime, chosen by the criminal, is the location of the trial.
  The witnesses to the crime become the jury and were chosen by the criminal committing the crime when they were present.
  No more hung jury. Majority rules. Hence eleven members.
  If a jury member(s) conspired to falsely accuse, then they receive the same sentence as the accused.
  If the criminal doesn’t want a particular race on their jury, then don’t do the crime in their neighborhood. No more of this crap moving a hearing to another city because the local jury pool may have heard too much in the media. No more of this crap dressing a thug in a business suit to improve appearance. If they don’t want to be judged as a thug, then don’t dress like one.
  
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barber2
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:42pm
Wonder what drew him to that particular movie . And what caused all of the rage . And can someone “premeditate ” murder, but still be judged insane ?

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:56pm
  BARBER2, Excellent points. Trouble is in this day and age, they will consider the gun at fault, and Holmes will be just another victim. Not like he was a registered Republican to be held responsible. Although that early TEA Party call had the left slobbering all over themselves.
  
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- Fla.Patriot
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 3:20am
  Don’t know why that particular movie (maybe he was just a huge Batman fan) but the theatre is glaringly obvious…it was the ONLY theatre in the area that was designated as a “gun free zone”. Either he did his homework, or someone did it for him
  
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13a
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:40pm
His pupils were dilated, he’s dripping with sweat, yet he’s very relaxed. Sounds like Seroquel or something in the same drug family. It would also explain why he only killed 12 instead of double that in a packed theater because his ability to make accurate shots would be very impaired.

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- chips1
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:53pm
  Maybe he was a pledge for the CHOME Gang.
  
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- bobfrommosinee
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 11:15pm
  If, Holmes had that much Seroquel or something in the same drug family, To trigger that kind of reaction,
  How did He have the coordination to operate weapons, or even target a individual.
  
  That stuff really screws up the motor skills and coordination.
  
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TRILO
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:24pm
His pupils are dilated because of the psychotic drugs he is on. Just like the kids I work with who are on these mind killing drugs. He is sitting there numb because the drugs make him numb. Many of these drugs, actually cause full blown bipolar disorder that will absolutely destroy people from being productive citizens.

He might as well be on PCP as the “legal” drugs have the same effect.

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- KangarooJack
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:31pm
  and so many will NOT hear/understand what you wrote. ‘Medicate’ is NOT the answer. Heck, I could quit smoking as long as I realize I will have a greater risk to die of a stroke/have sudden mood swings/agitation/vivid dreams/ etc. Side effects for the toenail fungus people are even worse. lol
  
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- Female
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:00pm
  Definite mania, hysteria, and delusions were all part of this young mans life. Unfortunately, the drug manufacturers and the malpactice insurance companies alone with the “OH S..t, we gotta get rid of this guy quick University; are all hindering the facts from getting out. What if the University contacted the parents of these young college geniuses (4 of them now), along with state social services and police, and order a full mental compentency, physical with blood work (checking for chemical imbalances, thyroid, mineral deficiences not just drugs and an MRI). None of these guys were anti-psychiatic care. With proper, consistant care and monitoring the outcome might have been totally different. And to not share the truth of care received and all lifestyle factors: prevents coming up with true solutions.
  
  A friend of mine was missed diagnose/given the wrong medications, and ended up having delusions, hysteria, mania and a total psychotic breakdown; which were a know side affect from the drugs. She hadn’t been required to see the prescribing dr for 6 months while she spiralled v. Thank GOD she didn’t succeed at hurting herself, husband, or her 2 precious children. She is now labeled for life and in a drug stupor, when the episode was really caused by medical negligence.
  
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- John655
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:23pm
  It’s not the drugs fault. It’s his fault. Sure they’re some bad doctors out there who don’t keep a close enough tab on their patients, but more comonly we have people who don’t take the medications their prescribed or don’t take them in the way their presribed. It took my wife 10 years to get stable on drugs, but since she got stable 14 years ago she has led a happy normal life. I thank God for the wonderful drugs that are available today and the great doctor that eventualy found the combination that worked for her.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:33pm
  FEMALE, Physicians accidentally kill more people in this country annually than all gun related deaths. This is starting to sound like 12 more deaths can be added to this profession.
  
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banjarmon
Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:21pm
Just ONE CCP holder could have stopped this killer and there would be NO court cost!!

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- MrButcher
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:29pm
  Not in this scenario.
  
  It would have been very difficult to secure a shot on this guy in these conditions especially since he was well-armed, armored and it was a packed dark theater.
  
  They were sitting-ducks in there and there wasn’t a damn thing anyone could have done about it.
  
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- IvanK
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:39pm
  That was the shooters whole reason for choosing this particular theater… No CCW were allowed in this place.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:46pm
  And if there were no gun free zone’s and no gun laws. People would be open carrying and this would probably have never happened in the first place. Wouldn’t it be nice to live in america?
  
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- Wdawg
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:53pm
  Really? After the first shot was fired and everyone running around, how would you get a clear shot on the shooter?
  
  Also, lets say you do take out the shooter just as the police arrive. Do you think the cops would not put you down too thinking you were the original shooter? The police officer said today that he thought the shooter was one of the swat members. Lots of confusion in these situations!
  
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- Psychosis
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 9:54pm
  @ butcher
  
  not entirely accurate
  
  just the effect of rounds impacting him would have slowed him down or even stopped him not to mention many ccw holders are quite accurate
  
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- BrutalTruth
  Posted on January 7, 2013 at 10:04pm
  Both are opinions. Only one offers a chance.
  
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- Female
  Posted on January 8, 2013 at 2:13am
  I don’t want to be a CCW but if for some reason a CCW (especially a cop, CIA, BP or FBI) had “Forgotten” or didn’t read the sign…well, It is okay with me: if a shooter breaks the law of thou shalt not kill people: that he/she remembers that gun and uses it. Sure they would be investigated; but one look at the wacko, severely injured guy (especially, that one). Don’t want him to die until he tells them about his apartment surprise. Truly, a flying off the range cuckoo.
  
  What is it “better to ask forgiveness than permission”? Just ask the patrons to show ID, CCW, and BADGES when carrying, then, let them in discounted or law enforcement free!
  
  Oh pet peave, PARENTS stop dropping your kids off at malls for flash mobs!
  
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