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Concealed Carry Holder Teaches Armed Robber Why It’s a Bad Idea to Pull a Gun on a Dad

Jan. 9, 2013 4:10pm Jason Howerton

Columbus Dad Kelby Smith Shoots Armed Robber After He Pulls Gun on Him and His 2 Month Old Son

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A father in Columbus, Ohio was forced to defend himself and his 2-month-old son when a man pulled a gun and attempted to rob him on Monday night. Luckily, Kelby Smith, 34, owns a permit to carry a concealed handgun and was able to shoot the robber.

Smith told police that he was sitting in his brother’s driveway just before 9 p.m. when the armed robber approached him. The man held a gun to the father’s head while his 2-month-old son sat in a car carrier. Instinctively, the dad shielded the child from the robber’s gun.

Smith handed over all the money he had and the robber and took off on foot, but then reportedly pointed the gun back at the father and his baby, according WBNS-TV.

Smith then pulled out his legal handgun, for which he has a concealed carry permit, and fired at the suspect. While the robber still got away, a man fitting the description of the suspect arrived at Mount Carmel West Hospital with a gunshot wound shortly after the incident.

WBNS-TV has more:

Police later confirmed that Smith’s concealed weapons permit was valid and determined he used his firearm in self-defense. The man in the hospital will face charges if police determine he is the robbery suspect.

Smith and his child were not injured in the robbery.

(H/T: Weasel Zippers)

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Comments (328)

Gladileftcalifornia
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:39pm
If that’s a .38 trade it in on a .357. There’s no reason why the perp should have made it to the hospital alive.

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- Fubared
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:44pm
  Good advert again for why a .45 is still the great equalizer. Still, from .45 Colt to .45 ACP. It always leads to less rounds needed and less legal fees after an incident. Always.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:49pm
  It’s never about the size of the bullet, it is always about where it hits. Sever the central nervous system and the perp is done. Head, Neck, Spine. Just make sure the round has enough force to punch through bone and not get deflected.
  
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- RobbieTLHughie
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:51pm
  You’re the reason people think gun owners are nuts, why do you have to make a crazy comment like that? Some of you seem to be utterly obsessed with KILLING, not defending yourselves.
- mrunner
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:03pm
  @robbyhuggy – Not obsessed with killing, we just don’t like leaving problems unresolved. How many stories have you heard in the last week of some perp being arrested for a murder or assault and they list a rap sheet as long as my arm?
  
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- Perspective
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:04pm
  I agree Fubared. When I was looking into buying a handgun I had a gunsmith point me in the right direction. He said,”.45,proven man-stopper for over 100 years.” Your statement is not correct Cavallo,it is most certainly is at times about the size of the bullet.Guaranteed wherever a .45 hollow point hits some serious damage is being done,a .22,not so much.
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:05pm
  The Second Amendment – Right to Bear Arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be INFRINGED.
  This is MY RIGHT to OWN and to BEAR ARMS PERIOD!!!!
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:06pm
  @Robbie, the point really is that if the thug was capable enough to make to the hospital he was capable enough to continue to fight against the Dad. Often times thugs don’t immediately feel the trauma of the wound and can continue to function. He might have been angered at being shot at and tried to then murder the man. Put enough holes in him to make damn sure he is incapable of harming you or your family any further. Preferably unconscious or dead. Your life and the life of your son are far more important to protect than what that some people might think you over zealous in your defense. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:06pm
  Good for him. He should have been a better shot & killed the perp.
  
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- nonofmybiznez
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:11pm
  Harder to conceal a .45
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:16pm
  @perspective, Relying on the bullet size myth will get you killed. There are many cases of perps taking a full magazine of .45 ACP to the chest and still running a good distance before collapsing. Other cases where the perp was able to return fire and wound or kill the shooter. The advantage of a .45 over a .22 is you are less likely to hit bone and deflect away from vital organs or be unable to sever the spine or major arteries. The energy output from a .38 and .45 isn’t that much different to cause any significant more damage in a pistol shot. The real damage in weapons comes from the difference between a rifle and pistol round. A 30-06 rifle round will do massive amounts of damage compared to a .45. Train to hit vital stopping areas, rather than thinking you carry stopping ammunition. Two in the chest, one in the head. Train train train.
  
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- Coded-Dude
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:18pm
  @ROBBIETLHUGHIE Because you would rather the perpetrator get out of jail and hold a gun to the head of another infant’s father for a few measly bucks? You’re whats wrong with America.
  
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- 2GodBeTheGlory
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:20pm
  @Fubared
  
  I understand your tag name. If I wasn’t religious I might have a name like that.
  
  You are correct about the .45, which is what I carry with a .22 backup. I’ve seen the ballistics data that show what a .22, .38, .357, 9, and .45 does to a person at the average distance of 10 feet. The .45 is most consistent in preventing further hostile action by the attacker, especially if someone is strung out on some type of drug. It is about force, i.e. mass and speed. The .45 travels further into the body and does the most damage as well as providing the stopping force. Now, I’m not saying that everyone should get a .45, it is just the gun for me, nor am I knocking the choice made by anyone else.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:27pm
  Cavallo is spot on- shot placement is key and if you can go central nervous, it really is turning off the electricity. It is always a Ford Vs Chevy talk when guns are involved here- get good with what you have, whatever is in your hand when you need it is the best gun ever.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:27pm
  CODED-DUDE
  
  Okay then, so would you be okay with all people convicted of a violent crime simply being sent to the lethal injection chamber?
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:51pm
  Nonof-
  Harder to live a good life than not too. I tend to dress around my .45 and don’t print or sillouette. Use a s&w 640 in warmer months when not working. It is all what you get used to. Listen to Cavallo too- I still learn a bit every day and am considered a range rat by real shooters-sad days when we talk gun shop 50% of the time and nowhere near a range-
  
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- steelpanther
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:26pm
  RobbieTLHughie, blame liberals. if they didn’t make the bad guy into the victim, then it wouldn’t be so damming for the victim to not shoot to kill. Also, Do you go to the police and trash them for training their officers to shoot to kill?
  
  Why is it that it’s ok to train police to shoot to kill when someone is threatening other people.(but apparently they don’t actually teach them how to shoot). but for a normal person to have a conversation about it or to do it they are some demon processed whack job.
  
  Shot placement is important, but so is bullet size. A .22 would be a bad choice to use against a person unless it’s the only thing you had, people have survived months with a much larger nail stuck in their brain.
  
  I’m no expert but I do do alot of reading and when I get my concealed I’m going after another .45 to pack. After shooting .44 Magnums the guns are light to me and I already own one and love it. The larger diameter of the bullet helps with shot placement though, they could turn a wound from just grazing with a smaller bullet to taking a decent chunk of major organ with it.
  
  Police jumped on the 9MM band wagon after someone decided math was the answer and they came up with the kenictic(sp?) dump theory. Years later they are all dumping the things mostly for the .40 S&W. Why? Because the only real damage caused by a bullet is the hole it leaves, not the so called energy transfer crap they try to peddle with hydrostatic shock.
  
  Basically, Big bullet d
  
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- steelpanther
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:27pm
  you can give up shot placement, and shot placement doesn’t necessarily mean you can give up big bullet. But, over all the most important thing is being comfy with the gun and confident in it and your self.
  
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- lordjosh
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:29pm
  I love how the blaze keeps these brain dead comments and replies on page one as to keep any meanig full conversation from happening.
  Police determined that he had a liceanse to carry? So what. He was on his brother’s property. (if are we are to assume one would need permission to carry at all )
- dont_drive_slow_in_the_left_lane_obliviot
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:29pm
  stop drinking the .45 kool-aid. LE “one-shot stop” studies show 9 40 and 45 all do about the same thing, with the 40 the best for autos, 45 next and 9 next but all are very close and with 9 you can buy and carry more of it for less $ and recoil. why do you all think the rest of the planet prefers 9? 45 is fine but it costs more and can carry less. gunpowder isn’t what is was 100 years ago when slower burning powder benefited form larger volumes and more time to expand. 38 and 380 drops off quite a bit with 32 falling even further behind but even 38 is infinitely better than nothing as this story shows.
  
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- drewder
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:36pm
  Personally as a veteran of Iraq and a father myself I’ll trust my walther p22 and my german shepherd over all you dirty harry wannabes.
  
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- dsind
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:43pm
  How about an ice pick?
  No noise suppressor required………
  ;)
  
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- steelpanther
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:44pm
  LordJosh, the comments are on a last in first out basis, basically, the last comment made will be at the top, or in case of a reply, that entire segment will be at the top.
  
  dont_drive_slow_in_the_left_lane_obliviot, you need to stop drinking the 9MM kool-aid, as I’ve already pointed out vast majority of police departments have dumped the 9MM extremely fast after adopting it. It was an epic failure.
  
  As far as the rest of the world, probably because they ignore stats, why else do they keep harping on gun control for public safety. Hydrostatic shock and Kentic dump theory have been pretty much busted. It’s why most Police departments use .40′s and the FBI to.(even at one point having a MP5 chambered in it over a 9MM because the 9MM was to weak.)
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:45pm
  Dont Drive Slow
  I would refer you to the ballistic gelatin in regards to the .45 Also, whilst in the great state of Alaska, I interviewed many a trooper for just these “facts”. I assumed a 44 mag or 10mm as the trunk piece for road game that was wounded; moose and bear mostly… .45 is king still. It’s Ford Vs Chevy. Whatever works for you. Cheers-
  
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- PK_SEA
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:56pm
  Desert Eagle .50 FTW.
  
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- lordjosh
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:06pm
  @Stealpanther
  
  That is not true. If so the “comment” made would appear above this one. Are you saying no one made a “comment” between “replies on this thread? Of course there is but they get sent to the last page. The only conclusion is someon at the helm determines wht thread gets put in or stays in spot one.
  
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- navydoc2008
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:19pm
  @Cavallo – no offense but (don’t you hate it when people say that)…
  You are either a sniper, professional marksman/hit man, or have never been in a combat situation in your life. Once someone pulls a gun out on you your sympathetic nervous system kicks in. This has its advantages, but disadvantages too. Your heart speeds up, and are most likely to have some amount of tremor of the hands. Even a great shot may have a hard time severing the spinal cord on a moving target, let alone when the target has a gun.
  
  I may be mistaken as I have not looked at ballistics lately but I’m pretty sure there is a big difference in the kinetic forces of a 38 vs 45. Let alone the amount of cavitation that is caused by both. I have seen (from the inside) what a few different calibers do to the human body.
  
  True a 22 cal is capable of killing, it is also true if you are close enough a pistol shooting blanks can kill a person if you place it in the right place. True stopping power is a measure of the transfer of kinetic energy from the bullet to the body, in which speed, mass, and composition of the bullet all matter. If you make composition a constant all soft hollow point ammo, and assume that you could shoot them all from the same type gun with same length barrel, then I think you would find that the 45 would be superior to a standard 38 for sheer damage.
  
  Unfortunately if you add a little chemical impairment (bath salts) into the mix you may need a bazooka to take some perps down
  
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- marssnw
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:24pm
  They actually say its worse to get shot with a .22 because the bullet will bounce off one organ to the next causing massive internal injuries, but a big hole in the chest or head can do the job as well.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:32pm
  Drewder
  Test that walther .22 on some leather with a melon behind it if you get a chance. Do you get the feeling at times you may be amongst vets and parents here with dogs to boot? But feel free to continue with a holier than thou elitist attitude. Kudos on getting back and all.
  
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- oldguy49
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:38pm
  i have to agree with cavallo.placement is everything….i carry a .380 w/zombie loads and laser grips…upper chest head area is best placement
  
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- lovenfl3
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:39pm
  These anti-gun people are totally clueless. Like many issues, they will never understand until it’s too late. This great video came out today with Ted Nugent in it. Enough said.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbY1whAjGls
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:44pm
  But what if the parent is not around? In Oct. a 12 year old girl in Durant Oklahoma called her mom that a guy was ringing the door bell and knocking on the door. The girl was home alone for fall break. Her mom told the daughter to get her glock and hide in the bathroom hall closet. This worked for 6 minuits untill she saw the door knob turning. The police arrested him in front with a gun shoot wound to the stomach.
  
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- Wiley41
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:45pm
  @ Navydoc
  Spot on post Doc.
  Would add one thing though. For most of us sympathetic fight or flight kicks in when faced with this situation as you correctly describe.
  However I would posit that for the most of the ‘love is all we need’ hippie vegan liberal grasshopper entitlement mindset, never worked hard in their lives, wimps of the left…..their parasympathetic shock response kicks in and they pass out rather than fight or flight
  
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- Wiley41
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:52pm
  @robbie, aka huggie bear
  
  We are not obsessed with killing. Most of the current and former military like me are conservative and know that the last person who wants blood shed is the Soldier. No one despises war and senseless killing more than those of us who have seen it first hand. However that does not mean we roll- over like you pushy libs, rather we know that evil sometimes can only stopped with force.
  
  In this case someone who is willing to hold a gun to the head of a father while his infant is in he back seat is evil. Evil cannot be rehabilitated. So would you huggie bear rather this demon get free medical care and housing and food etc while incarcerated on our dime. And while there probably learn how to be an even more of a thug?
  
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- Eternal
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:10pm
  .40 s also sweet
  
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- OldVet
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:11pm
  Best use of a 9mm is as a doorstop. The 45 is a knock em on their ass round. The 357 does a lot of kinetic damage and you can practice with 38 special in the same gun. The FBI abandoned the 10mm for the 40 cal because the 10 mm round was too bad-ass for their tastes. My recommendation for the little lady is a 45 revolver with moon clips for quick reload. They don’t kick as bad as their reputation.
  
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- kettererbg
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:27pm
  Colonel Jeff Cooper, God rest his soul, recommended any pistol whose caliber begins with a 4 is the choice. He disliked the 9mm. I prefer the .45 ACP with XTP’s or Hydrashoks. The other one I prefer is the .40 S&W. If that dad had one or the other, that perp just might not have made it to a hospital.
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:34pm
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP
  This is why the Military used the M1911A1 after the turn of
  the last Century..I was issued one when I was in the Marines
  nice weapon once you learn to shoot it.. put some hollow points
  in that puppy and it’s guaranteed to bring down a doper…
  
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- hard.right
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:45pm
  You .45 people kill me. Still spreading that ‘man stopper’ myth, the .45 magic round? You guys need to keep up w/ the times and modern bullet design and stop living in 1911. Or even keep up with old news that no handgun round is ‘all that’. Give it a rest already. Guess all you folks just got a new gun and you are spreading your knowledge, but do the rest of us long time gun owners a favor and put a sock in it! Guess what? .45s are all that are left on the shelf after everybody bought up 9mm, .45 and .357sig. Now you are stuck w/ that .45 because you listened to the snake oil salesman behind the counter. Don’t get me wrong, fine caliber, but it ain’t all that and when you need more rounds to get the job done, you are gonna wish you had 15-17 modern 9mm rounds in your gun.
  
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- rightrick
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:52pm
  44 Automag, for the win.
  
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- Blackw0lf
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:10pm
  Either way the gun done its job the life threatening action was ceased the perp then chose to run rather than face another shot form the father. he used restraint he didnt not fire at him until he and the child was threatened not as the perp was fleeing. It is possible his actions saved their lives. In short everything happened as it should have he and the child are safe the perp is not and will most likley think again before robbing someone again (unless he dont get out this time)
  
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- johnpaulkuchtajr
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:14pm
  Talk of some sort of executive order by Obama to restrict or “change” our guns laws seems to be just the up-front portion of his attempt to make us live like cows.
  If you read both of the attached stories, it’s pretty clear that being a well-known weapons expert in the civilian sector is becoming very hazardous to your health. Am I reading too much into the deaths of two renowned weapons experts in just one week? Traffic accidents are one thing; but, a single bullet to the head is quite another. That death reminds me of the deaths of three openly gay members of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation between November and December 31, 2007. Oh, did I mention that the Chicago police have no leads?
  As far as I’m concerned, it’s started.
  
  http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/01/john-noveske-founder-of-noveske-rifleworks-will-be-missed-2456002.html
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259190/Keith-Ratliff-Popular-online-guns-explosives-expert-shot-death-rural-Georgia-road.html
  
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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:22pm
  I primarily carry a 1911-A1 45ACP. I know its only got a 7 round magazine; but man…..one .45 hollow point is more than enough to do the job. And the way I prefer to shoot is with double taps. So, I basically get 4 double taps with a 7+1 configuration. Can’t see much reason to need more than that.
  
  But just in case…..there’s always the AR-15; but that’s not exactly a “carry” weapon.
  
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- GuruMeditation
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:26pm
  Unfortunately, the fact the perpetrator is alive will probably turn out to be a problem for the victim in the long run. Shoot to kill if you’re gonna use it.
  
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- DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:35pm
  I was the only girl growing up on the farm & my grandad always let me go hunting with him & all the boys if I would get up early enough. But they made me use the “little” 12 gauge since I was a girl & only 10. I’ve shot alot of different guns since then & I am concerned about self defense. The caliber is important but I believe practice so you hit what you are aiming at is more important. I see people claiming you should not use .38 & get rid of 9mm like only Dirty Harry can stop a criminal. I have home defense & that’s covered but let’s talk about concealed carry. You guys can dress to conceal a .45 but a woman is good to conceal a .380 & doing real good to conceal a 9mm. Girls don’t carry in a purse cuz if the purse is taken you lose the opportunity to regain it. I pulled my 9mm on a guy in a parking lot stalking me for 20yds saying “hey lady I want to show you something” & he put his hands up saying never mind as he walked away. Maybe he was a problem maybe he wasn’t the 9mm ended the debate.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:36pm
  All depends upon where you are hit–a .45 passing through the soft tissue of an arm or leg and missing all larger arteries will do far less damage than a .22 going straight through the heart or the right place in the brain. Marksmanship is by far the most important part of gun firing, and the most effective way of making your shots more lethal. Which is not to say I endorse a .22 for personal defense–oh no, if you are going to be shooting at humans you want something of at least sufficient size to penetrate Kevlar at a reasonable (that is to say, one you might realistically be shooting from) range. Although body armor is probably less common than not, what’s the harm of following the boy scout motto–be prepared? The .30-06 is a good round for this purpose, although .308, .357, .38, and even .44 are all excellent choices. If you want to get REALLY exotic, one of my favorites is the .45-70 Gov’t SWC rounds, but good luck finding a handgun for THAT type (and you’d probably better get into reloading if you are going to use them, since I’ve never looked for the ammunition type, but my intuition is that it isn’t terribly common)–but it’s SO bad ass.
  
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- OldVet
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:49pm
  One consideration (although not all-encompassing) when comparing the 9mm with the .45ACP is “throw weight”…the weight of the projectiles fired by the 2 respective rounds. Standard 9mm rounds are often around 115 grains in weight (fired at a a higher velocity) whereas the .45ACP is typically 230 grains (fired at a lower velocity). I don’t want to shoot a hole through the perp and into the next room. I would rather leave the 230 grain slug in his body. Speed does not trump mass when it comes to a kill shot.
  
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- SUNTZU
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:55pm
  There is one reason the 1911 – 45 has been around
  for over 100 years,and the reason I’ve carried one over
  35 years
  IT WORKS
  
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- mjazzguitar
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:57pm
  Dirty Harry wannabes?
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:08pm
  Where is SendtheMeteors or some other troll on this one? The facts are too obvious to spin. Wait for another gun story to spin, to lie.
  
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- helioquois
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:11pm
  Concur, but if that was all this man could afford for the weapon, ammo and training, he did very well.
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:15pm
  @HardRight
  Nice to have something that spits out a lot of rounds….Aim
  and squeeze and you only need one with a ACP Hollow Point.
  unless you have to circle the wagons and defend against a
  drive by……I have a 1911A1, a SW.357 and a Ruger 9mm.
  My first choice would be to use the .45ACP if the case arose !!
  the 9mm is a great pistol to practice with…cheap, and I read a
  post saying it would make a great doorstop..I agree !! but I
  wouldn’t do that..My sons favorite pistol. the wife likes the .357
  So everyone is HAPPY…..
  
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- YankeeDelta68
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:31pm
  I like a 12ga. with a deer slug or double00 buck. one shot one shoot,one kill.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:37pm
  First of all the robbery victim was in his car and shooting at a man that was running away who then turned back and pointed his gun back at the man in his car. I would say the man was lucky to hit the suspect at all. For those of you talking shot placement. Yeah that’s nice on the range with a paper target. Try a moving one who is also drawing down on you. For the person who said Police Officers are trained to shoot to kill. Wrong you are. They are taught to shoot for center mass. Why? Because it gives you a better chance to hit your target and not someone who is an innocent bystander and gives you a better opportunity to neutralize the threat. This ended well for the man defending himself. Not so well for the thug. This is about self defense. Marksmanship goes out the window in a split second self defense shooting event. If people are practicing shot placement instead of center mass split second shooting for self defense then you are cheating yourself. An example of real self defense firearms training would be, draw and fire two rounds center mass in 2 seconds. You would be surprised how proficient that will make you.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:39pm
  Archon-
  Just the other day I saw a pistol that was chambered for the .45-70. I was very surprised and I bet it is hell on the wrists to shoot it.
  
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- Caniac Steve
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:47pm
  agreed 16.5 trillion %
  
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- idrathermisstotheright
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:53pm
  It is better to have a gun whether a 22 or 45 than no gun at all. As the story goes what gun should I carry? The one you will actually carry.
  
  I prefer the S&W 357 with a six in barrel however I can’t carry it to work but I can put my Ruger LCP 380 in my cellphone holster and no one knows I am carrying. So as I stated the best gun to carry is the one you will actually carry and not leave at home.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:00pm
  Oh for ****’s sake, give up the caliber argument. Carry what you’re good at and what you’ve practiced with. Don’t let any internet mall ninjas tell you what to carry or use. ALL PISTOL ROUNDS SUCK! That’s why your pistol is a back up weapon and only to be used as you move to your rifle or as back up while you reload. If you drop a perp with a 9mm he’s just as dead as with a 45, and for less money, too. Unless Chris Rock gets his way, LOL.
  
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- dogday
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:02pm
  I agree with you, but as a woman, the .38 is wearable! If you can carry bigger, carry bigger!
  
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- idrathermisstotheright
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:04pm
  As my comment seem never to post on this site I will try this again: the best gun to carry is the one you actually carry! I prefer the S&W 357 with 6 inch barrel however I can’t carry that to work however I can put my Ruger LCP 380 in my cell phone holster and no one knows. So as I stated the best one to carry is the one you will carry. Plus I would take a 12 shot semi auto .22 over nothing any day of the week.
  
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- matabrava
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:16pm
  It was a mistake to have the perp walk. Somehow the left and the MSM will make it to be the victim’s fault.
  
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- chfields62
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:50pm
  The main reasons you shoot to kill is, dead men don’t shoot back. Also, dead men don’t sue either! Like others have said, its not so much what you shoot as where you shoot. I prefer 9MM for several reasons, first, it doesn’t kick as much as 45 so you are able to get back on target faster, second, its not as loud as a 45. You shoot a 9MM, you won’t be hearing well for awhile, you shoot a 45 you will probably have permanent hearing damage. Third, ammo is cheaper, although right now, much harder to find. Fourth, higher ammo capacity giving you a better chance of actually hitting something. problem with that is, it also ups your chances of bullets going where you don’t expect or want.
  
  Under the stress of a life and death situation, you won’t be able to think and will react how you have been trained, so train train train and when you think you’ve trained enough, train train train some more and hope you never have to use it!
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:14am
  REFUSAL OF POLICE TO ID ATTACKER MEANS ONE THING
  
  The attacker is black and the victim was white. The police are compelled to protect black criminals. This will turn into another George Zimmerman style case. The black attacker will swear that he was just walking down the street when the racist white guy shot him in the back. I hope the white victim keeps his mouth shut and gets a lawyer.
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:17am
  IT LOOKS LIKE A WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD
  
  This could become another George Zimmerman-Tyvon Martin type incident. Will thousands of black protesters from all over America get bused to that neighborhood to demand that the white man be arrested.
  
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- rightrick
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:21am
  Dirty Harry also approves of the 458 Winchester Magnum, for your long gun needs.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:49am
  @WILEY
  wimps of the left…..their parasympathetic shock response kicks in and they pass out rather than fight or flight
  —
  True, but they know they are wusses, which is why they use deception to disarm the citizenry. It’s incredibly ironic that they have been able to get us to “freeze” and “forfeit,” because We the People keep waiting for the STHTF — but it won’t happen. They have already metastasized.
  
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- Commonsensical
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:03am
  If you are justified in shooting someone, you are justified in killing them. You NEVER shoot someone unless you have justification to use lethal force, and having done so, you NEVER shoot someone unless you shoot to kill.
  
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- Marine 1
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:47am
  Nice job! Think how fast the crime would go down if more law abiding citizens had guns on them and took action instead of being victims.
  
  Hey, Barry & Joe, plan on saying anything about this incident? Oh, I know, you two would prefer to let the bad guy kill the father and son then get away. More “ammo” for your justification for disarming the population of this country. (Besides, the bad guy had a rough time growing up and all…probably voted for you two as well.) Too bad he survived.
  
  Oh, one more thing, Barry and Joe, there’s too many of us out here for you all to be diddlefritzing with so I suggest that you two just drop the whole gun thing. It will come back and bite you all is the @$$.
  
  Just saying!
  
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- tonypro
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:51am
  @ lordjosh
  
  This is exactly what I was thinking. If he is on private property, his, or his brothers then what difference does it make if he had a valid ccp?
  
  NONE, This shouldn’t even be a part of this story.
  
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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:09am
  Somehow the .38sl has worked for me for 30+ yrs………. and by the way if you need 15 rds to take me out its not gotng to be your best day
  
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- c.parker
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:15am
  Sorry gents, I am going to stick with my .22 for many reasons. First, I am a female and my .22 Walther fits my hand like it was made for it and it will fit in every handbag I own without drawing attention. Second, there is almost no recoil from my .22. This allows me to reacquire the target immediately after firing the first round. I have a nearly 100% accuracy rate with my .22 on my first shot and just slightly lower accuracy on my second round fired right after. My husbands .45 hurts my hand and reduces my accuracy to around 75% with a 50% reduction in accuracy after the first round due to recoil and it takes what seems like forever to reacquire my target.
  
  Stop telling people what to buy for their own personal defense! What if they buy the wrong gun and it costs them their lives? Better to recommend to those who are shopping around to go get some advice from someone who can fit them to the correct gun for THEM. My husband really wanted us to have matching .45′s but after seeing me on the range with my .22, he is no longer worried for my safety. He is a military member who has a “marksman” rating and my groupings beat him almost every time with my little “girly” gun.
  
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- MittensKittens
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:14am
  Hell, why not just carry a pistol grip shotgun with a slug…But those of us that have a carry permit know the point is self defense and “stop” the BG not to kill them! Now if that happens, well, oh well!
  
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- dtrent387
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:43am
  good for him. I’m glad we have some stories showing that guns are their to protect us if needed. I hope the MSM picks this story up (prob won’t) because it doesn’t fit their agenda of banning guns. Anyone would have done the same thing in that situation. the only thing that sucks is the victim will probably have a civil suit since the guy left unless OH has a stand your ground law or castle doctrine
  
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- RobbieTLHughie
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:41am
  Who is “Huggie Bear”? Secondly, yes I would rather this man have a chance to rehabilitate himself, he is not a ‘demon’, that is some crazy religious nut-stuff. Evil? Possibly, deranged? Certainly.
  
  You can’t blame Liberals for everything, guys, it’s getting old.
  
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- Former11BRAVO
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:51am
  @RobertHuey: You sir, obviously have had no defensive firearms training. When engaging a threat, the whole point is to STOP that threat. Since single shot BANG! YOU’RE DEAD! BS is fantasy (in the vast majority of instances), a defensive shooter is quite properly taught to shoot until the threat is eliminated: NOW! Not tomorrow, or an hour from now…. right now! A conscious shooter, still able to move, who’s still grasping a gun is a grave threat.
  
  If you don’t know/understand that, you have no business carrying a firearm. It would be far wiser for you to get on your knees and beg the armed mugger/thief/burglar not to shoot you and pray he’s really an honorable man, just down on his luck (and leave the self-defense to those who know what they’re doing). Heck! Maybe, if you really want to ensure your own, personal survival, offer up your young daughter – asleep in her room. Maybe, while he’s “busy”, you’ll be able sneak out and wave down a passing officer!
  
  Please, be sure to report back and let us know how that goes for you. Okay? :-/
  
  *I included that foul suggestion because this guy’s response leads me to believe he’s a coward – one who’d beg and plead and do practically ANYTHING to live. For this type, just living is the important thing. Those of us who’d rather die in an attempt to save ourselves/loved ones are a wonder to him; our mantras of self-reliance wholy alien to his very being.
  
  Eh. Of course, I could be wrong about this guy . . . If so, sor
  
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- VaARNG_Guardsman
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:35am
  Agreed….357 mag is a good round….more penetration than a .45….almost twice as fast…more energy….fewer rounds…and more difficult to reload. Plus mine makes me look sexy at the range.
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:42am
  even a .380 with the right ammunition will do the job, gang… can you say hollow point rounds?
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:55am
  @cavallo, well said
  @robbie… i do not know where to begin. in today’s litigious society a righteous shoot can run the shooter $50,000 for successful defense. Cheap compared to a loss of one’s life, but ridiculous in an obviously appropriate self defense situation… this father had an infant so even if ‘required’ to try to flee in his state, the option did not exist. he had reasonable fear for his life and his son’s. he had not instigated the action, and used the appropriate level of force to protect he and his son. Period.
  
  I cannot pretend i have felt what he felt, with his son at that point. i can tell you that when a gun is pointed at you there is an immediate fear reaction, the conflict of fight or flight is very real, and his not freezing, but acting to protect he and his son is admirable. and at any distance his calm to remain steady enough to aim as well. i hope that faced with a similar situation i would be able to perform as adequately.
  
  as to our responses, the simple truth is a living perp costs you and i money. it leaves the real possibility he will be released to prey upon innocents again, potentially this man. and it leaves investigators with the problem of two stories. ‘i was just walking by, man… i have this gun for protection, but i wasn’t waving it or nothing… that money is mine.’
  
  not cold blooded. not in favor or murder. logical and in favor of justice.
  
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- lordjosh
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:05am
  @ TonyPro
  
  Thank god someone on this site is distracted by meaningless arguments. There is hope. :0
  
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- Bum thrower
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:36am
  Better yet, get a Glock, and run it ‘dry’ on the perp;
  
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- Kerbouchard
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:36am
  DontDriveSlow: “stop drinking the .45 kool-aid. LE ‘one-shot stop’ studies show 9 40 and 45 all do about the same thing, with the 40 the best for autos, 45 next and 9 next but all are very close and with 9 you can buy and carry more of it for less $ and recoil. why do you all think the rest of the planet prefers 9? 45 is fine but it costs more and can carry less.”
  
  Agreed, for the most part. Having served in the military and being a hobbyist, I have shot just about every type of weapon and calibur of ammunition known to man and had this same conversation 100s, if not 1,000s, of times with knowledgable people. These experts, of many different types and opinions (police officers, special forces, instructors, salesmen, etc.), bring different considerations to the table and answering this question just gets harder ~ every possible answer is conditional and must be qualified.
  
  Here’s the only thing I would add to this conversation: if they limit capacity, more people are just going to buy larger calibur weapons for obvious reasons. That’s it! If I cannot carry more than 10 rounds, then I am just going to mitigate that limitating factor and go for more “bang for my buck!” Even I would probably start carrying a .40 or .45 instead of a 9mm subcompact.
  
  One more thought, no matter what your preferences: get your butts to the range and practice, practice “perfect practice,” keep learning and take lessons for the rest of your life, for yourself or with the ones you love,
  
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- John.Galt
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:39am
  @Robbie – the left forces this. People defending themselves have been prosecuted. A dead perp tells no tales.
  
  And quite frankly, why would you WANT a gun wielding robber left on the streets? You know damn well the liberal courts will have him out of jail, if he is even convicted, within a few years, to continue his thieving ways. Perhaps that same robber will now be free to KILL YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES, ARE YOU OK WITH THAT??
  
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- motherboard
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:46am
  Kupo, Violent crime? Ok, yea sure, I could go for that.
  
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- atechgeek
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:47am
  Kupo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:27pm
  
  CODED-DUDE
  
  Okay then, so would you be okay with all people convicted of a violent crime simply being sent to the lethal injection chamber?
  
  @KUPO … YES. If there were serious consequences for violent crimes, you would see the amount of violent crimes approach ZERO. It’s you lefties that want population control … well .. there you go .. you can legally thin the population by euthanizing the criminals. But you won’t because it is your voting base.
  
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- Bullitt2008
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:48am
  SteelPanther: Police are not “taught” shoot to kill. They receive training in order to shoot to stop by aiming for the largest part of the body.
  
  For those of you (non-military) who have never been in a stressful situation where you had to shoot a human being, the experience is not going to be as simple as you may think. However, if it becomes necessary, you will do what you have to do. The best way to overcome doubts about ability is to continually involve yourself in training at home (drawing/snap caps) and on the range. Five years of my career was spent representing coppers in the aftermath of officer-involved shootings during my 33 years and many were bad shots as a result of the stress involved.
  
  Stop bashing .45 enthusiasts. Citizens should carry what they can afford, are comfortable with, and what they’ll use to train with the most. I carry a high cap Glock .40.
  
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- caveman74
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:00pm
  @ robbie….those arent crazy statements. The officer that issued my concealed carry permit told me if I ever have to use my weapon in self defense to empty it. She said when all is said and done I want to be sure my version of the story is the only version. The other good thing to that advice is if you truly grasp what it means then you will only use your firearm if it is the last resort. Contrary to liberal belief we gun owners really don’t want to have to live with the knowledge that we took another human life
  
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- RobbieTLHughie
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:12pm
  The fact you’re blaming shadowy “liberals” for having to shoot people dead and justify it is enough evidence to know that you’re not really interested in a real discussion.
  
  I am not saying that you shouldn’t shoot to kill ALWAYS when you defend yourself. It’s the celebration of that, that sickens me.
  
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- fgarvin
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:43pm
  I prefer to wound them then set them on fire. Love to hear the screaming. Can do without the smell, but the screaming is priceless!!!
  
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- MilSpec
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:46pm
  I find my 40 cal is a perfect middle ground more easily concealed than a 45 and alot more stopping power than a 9mm. I tell my family if you absolutely have to use your weapon, keep pulling the trigger until the mag is empty. If the perp is still moving put in another mag and repeat.
  
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- Watchdog826
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:38pm
  @KUPO 82% of all crime is commented by repeat offenders. Is it’s clear to me we are not doing something right. The answer in a lot of cases should be death.
  
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- dlanod
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:32pm
  this is to robbietlhughic be it known if you have to use a gun in self defence you never shoot to wound. your insane if you think this. but its unstandable knowing your a liberial. when an if ever you have to defend yourself it should be only in life fhrenting situation an you never stop shooting till the treat is no more. you got that.
  
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- OldVet
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:15pm
  C.parker
  You go girl!
  You are totally correct. You should carry the gun you are most comfortable with. My wife’s favorite at this time is her Browning 380. But it’s a little big for concealed carry. She has a 38 five shot but I am looking for a 22mag revolver for her. More rounds and still a lot of damage.
  Much of the previous discussion was about “knock down” and not comfort.
  
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- lordjosh
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:02pm
  @Bullitt2008 Says”Police are not “taught” shoot to kill. They receive training in order to shoot to stop by aiming for the largest part of the body.”
  
  Wow. You just got the dumbest statement on the dumbest thread award. Is that what they taught you you in the millitary? Your shooting at the body to minimize death? How about that it’s the largest target area which also happens to house most of your organs. Again, wow!
  
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- DeathRattle
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:18pm
  As a retired deputy, I can tell you we were trained with the lesson “Two to the body, One to the head” Knockdown power of a handgun is a Hollywood farce. I personally carried a 9MM Baretta Cougar as a main weapon and a 40cal glock mini as a backup. Its the mass damage done to the internal components of the body that does the stopping.
  
  And of course, “we don’t shoot to kill, we shoot to stop the threat”.
  
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OniKaze
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:36pm
AHH… A REAL American…

Can we get this guy to run in 2016??? It is about time we had a Potus that KNOWS WHY we have the 2nd Amendment…

We need to make sure our next running candidate is someone WHO HAD to do something like this at one point in their life… That way they know full well WHY we keep the 2nd Amendment (Obama or no…). And basic Military service doesn’t count for this… That is a Job to carry and defend yourself with a firearm.. We need a Civilian who has HAD to do the same in order to protect something..

No one could make a better advocate…

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- RabidPatriot
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:58pm
  Don’t kid yourself. King O knows exactly why and for whom the 2nd Amendment was created. That is exactly why he wants it abolished.
  
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- apexmoon
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:07pm
  So you’re not a real american until you get shot?
  
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- catty
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:14pm
  So your qualification for the next president is someone that has been mugged?
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:34pm
  @Apex and Catty:
  
  Jumping to conclusions and intentionally misunderstanding makes a joke of you, not the original post. I’ll be very clear so you can’t misunderstand.
  
  For me, standing on your own, for yourself and others, is the essence of what it means to be an American; independence. America is an ideal, not a geographical location. What does it mean to be ‘an American’? I’ll go down my list and see how this guy adds up…
  
  Bare facts of case: Armed father protecting his infant son puts his own life in danger and allows himself to be mugged without care for the cash, only pulls his weapon and defends himself when the thief shows intent of shooting them regardless of money. Father only shoots the minimum amount necessary and doesn’t chase down the perp he’s wounded, but stays with his child.
  
  Stand independently, take care of and provide for yourself? Check.
  Show self restraint? Check.
  Be more concerned with human life than money? Check.
  Use force to protect innocents who can’t protect themselves? Check.
  
  Alright, what’s your definition of ‘American’ which this guy doesn’t fit?
  
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- Jarhead 88
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:43pm
  The two liberal idiots (victims) above me, “think” so much alike they start their sentences the same way, it’s a wonder they both didn’t get “you’re” wrong. This site is sadly attracting a lot of morons, either that or they are using different screen names and most of them have no idea how to even operate a firearm or learned from TV, which 99% of time, is wrong. History is repeating itself, war is coming assuredly as the sun will come up tomorrow. You are either on the side of Liberty and Freedom or you are on the losing side. Good luck.
  
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rangerrebew
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:33pm
It is obviously the fault of Smith for being in a place where a robbery could take place. At least that is what liberals would say. The questions remain: will the robber sue Smith and find a liberal judge to give a judgment to the robber? Will N.Y. try to take Smith’s parental rights taken away because he had a gun around his son? Will the governor of N.Y. decry the violence of handguns and call for an investigation as to why a citizen defended himself and son instead of just allowing himself to be robbed and perhaps shot and killed?

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- OniKaze
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:43pm
  The answer to your questions….
  
  YES!
  
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- junepug
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:17pm
  More than likely not since the incident happened in Columbus, Ohio.
  
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- Elena2010
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:27pm
  Check the story — it was Ohio, not New York. In New York, only criminals get to keep and bear arms.
  
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- catty
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:15pm
  Probably not because it was in Ohio genius.
  
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- freightliner1160
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:33pm
  Think he was talking about if this had taken place in NY. I think he knew it happened in OH. But his question is valid. What if this was NY. What would happen to dad?
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:57am
  C’mon, we all know that Smith will be accused by the perp of using unjustified deadly force. I don’t know about OH, but most states do not consider shooting and wounding a thief who is walking/running away with your stuff SELF-DEFENSE. Thief vs. law-abiding gun owner. Who stands to lose these days?
  
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Walter2012
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:31pm
Was just thinking about the Newtown massacre. The killer stole his mother’s guns. They where lawful and she had a permit. Publishing in mass the names & addresses of permit holders leaves unintended consequences. Permit holders by definition are law abiding citizens who i’d bet go to work everyday. Thieves know this. If someone else saw the published address and broke in & stole the guns, then say robbed a bank and G-D forbid killed someone with it, I would sue the News outlet and persons responsible for S-T-U-P-I-D-L-Y publishing this info. Perhaps the other victims could too. This should be interesting!

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- BellaMia7
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:47pm
  When he stole the guns, they became stolen weapons.
  
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- Walter2012
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:59pm
  p.s. Bellamia7 that’s a HOT pic!
  
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- SigSauer
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:44pm
  We should have Constitutional Carry in this country. NO permits. The government does not need to know what or how many firearms I have.
  
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- OldVet
  Posted on January 11, 2013 at 11:48am
  Correction, the Newtown killer KILLED his mother and stole her weapons. A relative of mine had a son with “issues”, they had to lock up all guns and knives in the house. They also locked their bedroom door from the inside every night. Just in case.
  
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FormerUSAF
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:31pm
There are too many illegal guns on the streets for any law to make an impact regardless of the potential jail time. Th reason being is that those guns are already in the hands of thugs, thieves and wannabees.
To take guns away for legal-law abiding citizens who own a weapon is foolish because it will basically declare an open season on the working class. I figure that the thugs who rob are Democrats that don’t and refuse to work and they take from those who are working for their own benefit…

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- CatB
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:54pm
  Exactly what Obama wants .. I had lunch today with a group of conservative women .. one of them a uniformed police officer .. said the exact same thing — and the police do NOT want the legal responsible gun owners guns taken from them … makes it more dangerous for them AND US. btw .. In Florida they could not have published those names and addresses .. in 2006 they made it illegal … concealed carry records are sealed.
  
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justa_thought
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:28pm
This is why you practice more. Better shot placement would have saved ER doctors time to deal with
other patients.

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- zebra20zebra20
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:34pm
  LMAO! You are so right! I practice once a month and my aim is dead on (no pun intended), if you have to use a gun then you should shoot to kill.
  
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- RobbieTLHughie
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:53pm
  You know, it’s people like you and other commenters here at the Blaze that totally destroy the argument of people who want to own guns for self defense. It’s not okay to joke about killing people because they’re criminals, it makes you look like a totally deranged freak.
  
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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:21pm
  While I agree with practice – when faced with a real situation – especially if it is the first time, adrenalin can make for quite shaky hands. Most of us regular citizens haven’t had combat experience…..
  
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- CatB
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:21pm
  @ROBBIE .. they are just trying to keep the criminal from suffering.
  
  btw .. here is a group threatening gun violence …
  
  http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DIbV2eYla_b8&h=3AQHqpRaY
  
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- Thighmaster
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:29pm
  Who’s joking about killing people because they are criminals…. I’m dead serious
  
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- nonofmybiznez
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:30pm
  I don’t shoot often. Until last year, I hadn’t been shooting for more than five years. One step on the range and my friend who invited me said he was shocked. Its like I never lost a beat. I was a sharpshooter in the military and it felt like coming home. Its good to practice but some things you don’t forget.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:38pm
  ROBBIE, you are a coward and everything that is wrong with our culture…ANYONE that puts a gun to a fathers head with his child in the back seat just to rob him or cash on hand, SHOULD BE KILLED!!! Period. Society is MUCH better off with him dead, the fact that you don’t understand that is mind boggling to folks like us
  
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- Jarhead 88
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:35pm
  Robbie, you sound like a major wuss, sad little victim. Grow up or GTFO of here.
  
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An_American_Thinker
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:28pm
All permit holders know you have a higher responsibility when you are carrying. Those that continue harping about gun owners and gun control, especially those ranting about those that carry, don’t know one iota what they’re talking about.

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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:37pm
  Permit holders have already given to the government their consent to be ruled.
  It isn’t a right if you have to ask permission. Any law requiring a permit to exercise your constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms is an infringement on that right.
  
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- Mr.buff1959
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:36am
  Warmonger you said it all.
  
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grimmster
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:28pm
For those of you citicizing the father for only “wounding” the robber,and saying he needs to go back to the range,let me ask you this,have you been in the same situation, and dropped a bag guy lately?! My guess is no,and for those in the military who may say they were never nervous before or during combat,like this guy most likely was,if you inteand to say you werent, please thing before you make that statement.My guess is, this guy was shaking like a dog trying to crap a peach seed….

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- usmc6570
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:01pm
  My very first firefight in RVN I nervous and scared as hell and was scared a lot but my aim was true. I would no problem going for a kill shot. Patton said Let the other bastard die for his country.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:04pm
  I think most of it is said in jest. Like when your son cleans up the kitchen real good after dinner and you tell him “Nice job, but you missed a spot.”
  
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:27pm
THIS just made my day.

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BlackCrow
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:27pm
A laser sight with an adjustable zero is a good idea on a carry gun that might be employed in low light conditions.

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- CatB
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:24pm
  Crimson trace … excellent.
  
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- SigSauer
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:40pm
  You know the saying? “if you see the red – you’ll feel the lead”. I have lasers on my Sig P239 and my Sig 1911.
  
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:26pm
Dad will be getting a civil lawsuit shortly. Welcome to Ohio gun laws “dad”.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:38pm
  No he won’t. He’s not in Cleveland. Many CHL holders from central Ohio, if they’re justified, receive no penalty. Hell bro, we had a lady last year, not even an Ohio, visiting for a quarter horse congress, shoot a bad guy in her hotel room. She was cleared so fast that she didn’t even have to buy a new airline ticket home.
  
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- OniKaze
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:42pm
  That is why it is a shame he only wounded the guy…
  
  My Local Sheriff told me that if I ever have to fire on someone again, to not give them a chance to become the “Plaintiff” in a case just like that… He said even IF they are proven to be criminals, and my shooting at them is justified, then they can still sue me for the “wounding”.. He said, “Don’t wound criminals, They will just sue you later…”
  
  I knew what he was implying….
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:44pm
  ROTHBARDIAN
  I’m sorry you live in Cleveland. The rest of Ohio is not like the mistake on the lake. We are actually quite sane down here in SW Ohio.
  
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nocalifornia
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:26pm
As Wayne said“only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.”

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CPLGEORGE
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:25pm
Why is the emphasis of the story about the victim’s legality? Rather than be thankful neither he or his son got hurt or worse, the story goes on about how he was checked out to be legal. Any description of the bad guy? Race, nationality, legal? Did the tobber have a concealed carry permit? Maybe he is an escaped student from Steubenville? No, just make sure the victim has a legal permit.

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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:40pm
  Amen.
  
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- HumbleMan
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:25pm
  I agree. You see, this whole public propaganda campaign is aimed at criminalizing the law-abiding citizens like this responsible father. I’m still reeling at the idea that the NRA and legal gun owners are being vilified in news. Liberalsm is a sickness.
  
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- sasquatch08
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:34pm
  I feel like The Blaze put emphasis on him being a “legal gun owner” to show the stark contrast between most gun owners and common thugs.
  
  I wish it didn’t have to be that way, but someone has to point out that 99% of gun owners in this country never did anything wrong with a gun and never will.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:08pm
  Because in the court of public opinion you are guilty until proven innocent. If you’re a gun owner, you must be blood thirsty and looking for trouble. Its a CYA thing to get the “legality” out there.
  
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Landon410
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:25pm
the shot might not have killed, but lets be honest, if it was from any kind of range a kill with a .380 or 9 isn’t easy….. he hit the guy, defended his and his childs life, the shot is what got the bad guy caught…
the dad did what he was supposed to, good for him

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- subic
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:18pm
  Yes good he hit him LANDON and good the guy kept running.
  
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mrunner
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:23pm
Hopefully the bullet lodged in his groin, rendering him unable to reproduce any more progressives.

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- macpappy
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:06pm
  What you are talking about is eugenics, sterilizing one group of people to stop the procreation of that blood line. Better take a look in the mirror, that was a very “Progressive” era during the 20s and 30s.
  Conservatives sure have changed.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:21pm
The father handled it right from start to end, to ensure the safety of his child he gave the thief what was demanded but when the moment came he defended his life and his kid. Salute and thanks to him.

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- Mr.buff1959
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:51am
  Hi Snowleopard hope you are great, may we all prosper in the new year. My wife works nights she uses a 38, with glazer rounds. they work.
  
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JQuentinEvermann
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:21pm
I hope he blew his natz off. Now, let’s see the nationwide coverage of the good guns do…I’m sure this will be on every station around the clock…especially on MSNBC.

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- subic
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:26pm
  Won’t see this on lamestream propaganda networks more than likely
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:27pm
  Yeah, you never heard the big hubub the MSM made of the theater shooting in San Antonio, did you?
  They have an agenda.
  I don’t think the Colorado or Sandy Hook shooters were alone either:
  
  http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/
  
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Timmy_NorthWest
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:20pm
Remember, gun control is using two hands when firing.

You do not have the right to infringe upon my rights

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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:19pm
Guns save lives. Got it? Good.

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MCON29
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:18pm
Who wants to take the bet that the robber was not a legal gun owner. Also, probably guilty of more that 1 armed robbery. Too bad he didnt kill him. Piers could have added another number to his inflated statistics.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:23pm
  I’m near Columbus Ohio.
  
  Here, one is not a legal gun owner ONLY if one is a felon or guilty of domestic abuse. Otherwise, there is no question of “legal”. We’re rather gun friendly here (except Cleveland, yuck).
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:34pm
  I think that is what MCON29 means, that the robber is likely a felon and cannot legally own a weapon. They don’t mention what the robber looked like in the story either. If he was white I am wondering if he has tattoos on his neck. Every mug shot I see on the evening news of some guy running from the cops, if it is a white guy, he’s meth-head skinny with tattoos on his neck (not saying one causes the other, its just amusing).
  
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- mrunner
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:34pm
  @Ghost- damn, your down in Buckeye country and yet,as a Woverine, I kinda think you are ok?? Oh well, as they say- The enemy of my enemy is my friend! LOL
  
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- MCON29
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:26pm
  More than likely he is a convicted felon or the gun was stolen. Here in Illinois we are treated like animals. It would be nice to have Ohio like gun laws. Hopefully they will write a conceal carry law that isnt so stict no one will be allowed to carry without being thrown in jail. Our AG is trying to appeal the decision and keep law abiding citizens from defending themselves outside of their homes. CRIMINAL!!!
  
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The-Monk
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:16pm
I just heard Martin Basher talking about this story on LSDNC.

Oh wait, I was napping and it must have been a dream….

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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:49pm
  If you dreamed you were watching BSLSD, then it must have been a nightmare :-)
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:55pm
  Hi MONK, LOL!
  
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raydg
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:16pm
Damn, he missed. The bad guy lives.

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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:19pm
  Sound like he did just fine but he could have done better <;-)
  
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- boss_ross
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:26pm
  shoot to kill. damn shame he missed.
  
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- Restored One
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:26pm
  Something that needs to be pointed out in this story and the mother with the twins, is THIS, they did NOT engage in showing their weapons until it was a life and death moment. That mother, hid from the burglar, she did not approach him. Had he not found them hiding, she would not have shot him. Same with this man. Had the robber not turned around and again aimed the gun at him, the father would have let him get away. Good, legal gun owners will hide and conceal their weapon until they have no other choice!
  
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- raydg
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:51pm
  Seriously speaking now, I was trained by Uncle Sam with the M-16, M1911A1, and other weapons to aim for the center of mass, which would be the heart region. Reason is that is the largest area that I could see at a distance and would result in a hit. Shooting to wound is nothing but a Hollywood invention. I am glad that he and his family is fine. I also doubt that the robber will learn his lesson and the only way he’ll learn is being buried at a young age.
  
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Cavallo
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:15pm
Hope the robber gets a super bug infection in the hospital and dies painfully.

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- biohazard23
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:29pm
  MRSA and her cousins do have a purpose on occasion, don’t they? :)
  
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ICSPADES
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:15pm
Go to the range Dad ,practice just for that situation and next time he will not testify. Good shot anyway even if he does live.

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yoshik
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:14pm
Shoot to kill. Wounding gets you sued.

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- ResistSocialism
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:17pm
  I agree
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:20pm
  Depends on the State about the lawsuit, but the shoot to kill is appropriate. Make sure the threat is completely eliminated.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:21pm
  @yoshik,
  
  In most States (if not all, I just don’t know) it’s illegal to “shoot to wound”.
  
  Police are not allowed to “shoot to wound” either.
  
  Be careful what you say after a shooting…..
  
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:23pm
  @Yoshik:
  
  In any gunfight you go to put your target on the ground and disarm them. If they eat hot steel and perish so be it, if they are wounded bad enough to no longer be a threat fine as well. Been there myself, two thugs one lived and will limp for the rest of his life, the other is six-feet under.
  
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- Save_the_Constitution
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:37pm
  @yoshik
  You sir or madam are ignorant. The only lawful reason to fire a weapon at another human being is to stop an immediate threat. It is up to doctors and God whether the individual lives or dies. I legally carry a handgun and pray that I never have to use it. How it is so easy for some people to say they would kill another person is disgusting to me. If I ever have to use my firearm and end up killing someone I will probably be puking my guts out and praying that God will forgive me.
  
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- THX-1138
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:39pm
  Double Tap, Center Mass. (Conditions permitting.)
  
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- THX-1138
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:44pm
  @Save_the_Constitution
  
  And if the man, who’s life you spared when he attempted to kill you, goes on to kill another?
  
  Karma’s a funny thing. Did I fail to protect the next victim? I’m not entirely certain of the answer here myself.
  
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- Save_the_Constitution
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:54pm
  @THX-1138
  You misunderstand my point. If I have to shoot it will be two shots center mass. If that does not stop the threat it will be another center mass and then one to the head. My problem with saying shoot to kill is that human life has become cheap in this society and statements such as Yoshik makes, is a symptom of a morally corrupt country.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:59pm
  @Save, stopping the threat is always the purpose. Just don’t assume the threat is stopped. It used to be LEO practice to fire and then reassess. Got many officers killed when an already shot suspect then killed said officer. Fire until you are sure beyond a reasonable doubt the threat is over with, mistaking that outcome can cost you your life.
  
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- MoseyAlong
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 5:01pm
  It’s all about terminology and intent.
  
  From a potential jury perspective-Tried to kill him=Bad/Tried to disable him=Good.
  
  If a weapon is needed for self-defence then you should always try and disable. Personally, I’d say turning someones head into a canoe is pretty darn disabling.
  
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