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This Is How a Secret Gun Provision Made its Way Into Obamacare Legislation

Jan. 9, 2013 8:03am Billy Hallowell

Obamacare Legislation Includes Secret Gun Rights Provision | Harry Reid, Affordable Care Act

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There’s a widely-unknown provision in the Affordable Care Act (also known as Obamacare) — legislative wording that is capturing attention in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. Pushed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), a newly-noticed regulation that was placed deep within the bill back in 2010, among other things, bans doctors from documenting patients’ answers to questions that focus upon guns.

The Washington Post first reported on Dec. 30 about the presence of this controversial wording. Under a section with the headline “Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights,” the NRA-advocated wording is nestled deep within the law. The Post called the inclusion, “a largely overlooked but significant challenge to a movement in American medicine to treat firearms as a matter of public health.”

As the outlet also noted, it was in the final stretch of the debate over Obama’s health care legislation that the NRA successfully pushed to insert this language. Below, see the portions of the Affordable Care Act that include mentions of firearms and the parameters through which doctors must operate in questioning patients (read the entire health care bill here):

Obamacare Legislation Includes Secret Gun Rights Provision | Harry Reid, Affordable Care Act

On Tuesday, CNN chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta spoke on-air with “Situation Room” host Wolf Blitzer. The two discussed how the gun provision made its way into health care legislation, while also explaining portions of the text for viewers.

Gupta noted that the initiative to have the wording included during the contentious health care debate was rooted in the NRA’s stance that patients should not be penalized or discriminated against for owning firearms. As can be seen from the above portion of the legislation, while doctors are not banned from asking about guns, they are forbidden from documenting the information and using it for research purposes.

Watch Gupta explain the additive language:

In addition to gun-owner information and how it must be handled by doctors, the text also notes that the law cannot be used to keep and maintain records of individuals’ firearm possession, nor can it be used to track ammunition. Additionally, the language deals with the price of health care coverage, noting that cost cannot be impacted by the possession or ownership of guns, the Post also reported.

Following the tragedy at Sandy Hook, the presence of this provision has gained some press, with select politicians and medical groups taking a stand against it. Advocates are worried that research and medical care could suffer as a result of the wording; some are even pushing the Obama administration to consider changes to the text in light of recent events and an impending battle over new gun control legislation.

The Post has more about the ongoing battle between the NRA and physicians and advocates who stand opposed to the language inserted into the Affordable Care legislation:

NRA officials say they requested the provision out of concern that insurance companies could use such data to raise premiums on gun owners. The measure’s supporters in the Senate say they did not intend to interfere with the work of doctors or researchers.

But physician groups and researchers see the provision as part of a decades-long strategy by the gun lobby to choke off federal support for studies of firearms violence.

The research restrictions began in the 1990s, when the NRA urged Congress to cut funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s division that studied gun violence. In 1996, Congress sharply limited the agency’s ability to fund that type of research.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi take part in a joint Senate and House session to count of the Electoral College votes for the 2012 presidential election at the Capitol Hill in Washington on January 4, 2013. US President Barack Obama was officially declared the winner of 2012 presidential election after the counting session– a quaint formality, perhaps, but constitutionally required. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

Just as interesting as the debate over the provision, itself, is the notion that it was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), an NRA-supporter, who added the wording to the bill back in 2010. While a spokesperson for Reid told the Post that the leader never spoke with the NRA about the wording and that he did not believe that “it changed gun laws in any way,” that hasn’t stopped critics from wondering why Reid so staunchly supported the measure.

The language was purportedly added to stem off criticism from the NRA that could have railroaded, delayed or prevented the controversial health care bill from passing. Also, the wording was placed deep within the bill in an effort to convince people not to embrace so-called conspiracy theories about Obamacare — mainly that the legislation would be used to keep and maintain a massive gun-ownership database. Once the langage was added, the NRA reportedly remained neutral regarding passage of the law.

While Reid has been a gun rights advocate for quite some time, the politician may be having a change of heart in the wake of recent shootings and controversy surrounding this language. An adviser who spoke off-the-record, recently told CNN that the senator is “in a different place than he was in 2010″ when it comes to firearms.

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Comments (246)

Apple Bite
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:08am
You know, I’ve yet to have heard of any of these people in DC having actually read that monstrosity, judges included.

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- JQuentinEvermann
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:45am
  Because they haven’t, and certainly nobody understands what is in it. I think that making changes which are enforceable by the might of the U.S. government are more of a danger than firearms.
  
  New “laws” will be found in this monster for decades to come, people will be prosecuted for otherwise non-crimes under this illegitimate legislation…it is a great tool for traitors like Obama and Pelosi.
  
  It is a shame that the next Washington or Jefferson to stand up and demand freedom is as likely to be murdered by Obama as they are praised for patriotism.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:46am
  Remember, Pelosi told us we need to pass it, to find out what is in it.
  
  Bwaaaaaa, haaaaa, haaaa
  
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- PRRedlin
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:09am
  It really isn’t that big. Can easily be read in a few hours. Once you take out the definition pages (legal bills must define all definitives), it leaves you with about 1200 pages. These are legal pages however, so there are only about 100 words per page. Roughly 12,000 words (or 1/3 of a novel).
  
  You know, you’d think for all the huff and puff you guys make of the bill, you would have taken a few hours to read through it.
  
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- hypnos
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:14am
  As usual something stinks in Obamacare again. What is real reason for this language be placed in this cluster F of a bill.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:23am
  Stop calling it a health care bill. It’s not. It is a communist bill passed to strip our liberty’s and right’s away. The communist take over bill.
  
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- G-WHIZ
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:26am
  Vast majority of O’bastardnoncare has OPEN-ENDED SECTIONS!! Each section is “open to further views”, which means…AFTER PASSING, EACH PROVISSION CAN BE CHANGED AT WILL TO “IMPROVE” IT’S WORDING AND ABILLITIES!!
  
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- PRRedlin
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:30am
  Civilwar:
  
  It has some socialism aspects (as do all national programs such as Social security, medicare, medicaid, military).
  
  But it certainly isn’t communism. Under communism, if healthcare was provided, it would be equally accessable and free to everyone, and everyone would have the same level of care.
  
  Under socialism, and even functioning capitalism, wealth is redistributed from the top of the brackets and brought to the bottom so that it can fluctuate back to the top, rising incomes of people along the way. The rich stay rich, as they remake the lost income and inturn generate MORE income over time from the recycled money, but more people get rich, or at least rise a few steps in the ladder.
  
  Under communism ALL wealth is taken from the top, and is equally distributed amongs the lower classes UNTIL there are no classes.
  
  Very very different.
  
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- ltb
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:38am
  I really admire the way Obama had everyone at the table when Obamacare was being developed, except the American People. That’s sarcasm, BTW.
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:42am
  the fiscal cliff agreement will be no different… something like 315 pages and the senators received it with 3 minutes before the vote.
  
  i don’t comprehend how the bill gets to more than 5 pages… list what the fixes are, then the various agencies set up the policies to implement the law. clearly the volume allows lawmakers to slip in their pet projects, and to ‘by law’ dictate how things are done beyond the scope of their practice (or knowledge)… a President worth his salt would veto any legislation that was not kept to the topic of the law, and to a minimum length for clarity.
  
  but then we would all know what was going on.
  
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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:50am
  How many of you people sold your soul to the devil for health care? You get what you deserve.
  
  Isn’t this part of the plan too, any computer that signs on to a Obama Care site becomes part of the Obama Care system and they can monitor the “System”.
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:53am
  @PRR: Go sell your communism some where else.
  
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- boricuban
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:55am
  This is for PRREDLIN. Can you tell me what Communist country you have lived in. Because I have and I certainly didn’t get any wealth handed down to me. You’re right about that the government conficate the wealth, but they keep it for themselves and yes there is only one class , everyone is miserably poor. Oh and about free healthcare, I remember as a 6 year old getting my teeth drilled without amnestesia, have you ever gone through that. And another thing if Communism is so good how come we don’t have amass exodus to Cuba or Venezuela? In matter of fact is totally opposite, it’s their people that want to come to the US.
  
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- PRRedlin
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:13am
  Boricuan.
  
  No I can not tell you want communistic country I have lived in, because I have not lived in any. I was imply pointing out the definitive (not the practice) of the difference between socialism and communism. Let’s set something straight. I hate communism, and I am in no way for it or promiting it. Communism fails because of greed of the individual, as righteous as it’s attempt may be at the beginning. This is why all communist countries end up with a ruling dictator.
  
  I was simply showing Civil the difference between socialism, which like it or not we are and have been since the 40′s, and communism, which we are not, nor are we even close to becoming. The rich in this country got even richer during the great recession. Communism we are not. If anything, we are turning into a Plutocracy, which the progressive tax structure helps to fight.
  
  Under a progressive tax structure, while the rich are taxed more, EVERYONE is taxed equally. How so you might ask? It’s simple.
  
  Even though the richest 1% are now taxed at 39.4% (as they were under clinton, even more than that under reagan) they only pay that wealth on income over 400k. It goes like this, FOR EVERYONE
  
  $0-14k, you pay 5%.
  on income earned OVER 14k but UNDER 21k, you pay 10%
  for income earned OVER 21k but UNDER 25k, you pay 15%
  and so on and so forth up the tax brackets.
  
  So yes, the rich do pay more, but ONLY ON INCOME OVER the lower bracket, NOT on the entire income. So is this equa
  
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- PRRedlin
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:18am
  Yes, it is equal, because everyone who has the ability to rise up through the ranks, will pay the same amount WHEN they hit the next bracket. If you make 100k, and a millionaire makes 50M, you BOTH PAY THE SAME on the first 100k.
  
  It makes me laugh when I hear people say “well I will stop earning money at a certain point so I am not taxed more than someone who makes less”. They are idiots. You are taxed the same, until you hit a threshhold, and then you are taxed more on the ADDITIONAL income.
  
  So why both with this? Well, capitalism NEEDS IT. Think about it. If everyone was taxed the same at every level, over time ALL money would flow to the top. When this happens, inflation must rise, because that money is now in bank accounts, it is not being spent, and more money must be created, which causes inflation.
  
  So how do we fight inflation? We tax the highest brackets at a much higher rate than we tax the lower, which brings money back into the economy through government spending, and rises through the ranks again.
  
  Did you know, that after WW2, the highest tax bracket was 90%, and continued over 70% until the mid 70s? Wasn’t the largest expanse of middle class income between 1940 and 1970? Of course it was, because money was funneled from the top, to the bottom and back up.
  
  Reagan cut taxes tremendously, which, yes, expanded the American economy the most ever, but ONLY for those at the top!
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:25am
  Turn-about fair play. I going to contact my congressman and request he include in all bills before the house one simple amendment, Repeal obamacare in Its entirety!!
  I hope you will too!
  
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- Ajohn
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:25am
  This monsterous mess is like the tax code; so big that it cannot be comprehended. It requires lawyers to sit around and debate every sentence as they are exposed. The scary part is, like the tax code, decisions regarding specific sections will be exposed as subjective and up for interpretation with no two decision the same. Also plan on a lot of new legislation to grow the regulations into 70,000 pages, again like the tax code. This is perhaps starting out as the worst piece of legislation ever written. I thank the NRA for squeezing in this small section; however I doubt it will stand.
  
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- Maji
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:41am
  They’ll use democrap SOP.
  They will change it,then lie about it,then talk about how its someone elses fault!
  
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- monitor
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:47am
  The key word is “secrecy.” Their entire plan for this country is bound by secrecy and the ability, w/ the help of the msm propaganda machine, to enact their way into complete control. It’s a ‘Hostile Takeover.’ Where are the establishment RINOs on this?
  
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- PRRedlin
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 12:39pm
  Good god you are all so paranoid.
  
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- Bloody Sam
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 12:48pm
  These new regs are of no consequence if one simply refuses to answer any such questions.
  Simply note as such on any form asking the question and initial that area on the form.
  
  Besides, why would negating efforts by Drs to use such info be a big deal? The Lefty Loonies are going to be coming up with all manner of new databases for keeping track of gun owners.
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 1:00pm
  @PRR
  
  check your facts..or lack there of…under Reagan, the top tax bracket was cut from 70% down to 25% and then later raised to 28%, not more than the Clinton era 39.4% we are at now….
  Also…the average family income ROSE by $4000 as opposed to falling in the decade before and the decade after Reagan…That means that the AVERAGE American family saw an increase in wealth of over 10% during the era of Reagan.. as opposed to the LOSS of wealth under the last two years of Bush and 4 years of Obama, especially with the Payroll Tax reinstatement (which wiped out all increases since 2010).. Obama just RAISED taxes on 77% of US citizens.
  The largest creation of wealth percentage wise happened under Reagan, more millionaires were created then at any time in history while the country was governed by his tax policies, basically 1982-1994, even with the GHW Bush tax hikes and Clinton’s economic policies that took full affect in 1994, were hindered by the GOP House and finally due to the GOP House gave us balanced (not really, they raided the SS trust fund) budgets from 96-98 but resulted in a recession from 2000-2001. GW Bush’s first tax cuts made this the shallowest with the quickest recovery EVER!!
  
  So..recap: Reagan – best economy for ALL in 50 years, most wealth created for ALL in HISTORY
  Obama – worst economy in 70 years, 2nd most wealth LOST for ALL…Obama SUX… Reagan RULES!!
  
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- chicago76
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 1:07pm
  Zombies everywhere writing things only other zombies can understand. A zombie law that is designed to protect and help zombies.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 1:51pm
  “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), an NRA-supporter, who added the wording to the bill back in 2010″
  
  How did THIS bit of info get added into the wording of this article?
  
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- redfish52
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 2:40pm
  I had to fill out a medical form recently that had some of these questions…I simply put N/A in the space…because there wasn’t enough room to put “Non of your ******* business.
  
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- searcher619
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 3:39pm
  PRRedlin:
  
  So 1200 pages isn’t very big? Seriously..? You are trying WAY too hard. You sure you aren’t a troll?
  
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- Dot
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 3:42pm
  Exactly! Actually, no matter what the verbiage in the law, the Dept. of Health & Human Services has wide discretion as to how to write the rules. Therein lies a huge problem!
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:03pm
  “…But physician groups and researchers see the provision as part of a decades-long strategy by the gun lobby to choke off federal support for studies of firearms violence….”
  
  NEWSFLASH!!!
  
  Wanna know how to tell if someone is suffering from gun violence? Check the wounds.
  
  If doctors were half as smart as people think they are, there’d be a lot fewer politicians in the world: they’d all be aborted at birth (the only good use I can think of for abortion being legal).
  
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- James
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:22pm
  I don’t think Weed Seed Reid is really Pro Gun at all!
  
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- subic
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 4:43pm
  Support the NRA, Gun Owners of America, Oathkeepers!
  
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- SLAPTHELEFT
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:00pm
  Redlin
  
  Awesome definitions. You commie progressive socialist professors would be proud. Let me tell you the way communism is defined by my Lithuanian friends- dissenters disappear in the middle of the night or accidently fall off rooftops. My German friends define socialism as the total sapping of all will to excel at any given profession as the rewards are limited. Mozt decisions have to be cleared by local officials to determine the good of the collective. I wont even mention my cuban and venezuelan friends.
  
  You can use your college education to spread whip cream on dog turds if you like, just take the first bite and tell me how yummy it is. I prefer capitalism and freedom.
  
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- timarina
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:10pm
  There are all kinds of things you have never heard of.
  
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- OldSkoolDJ
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:42pm
  Why should they read the Obamacare law? They didn’t read his sh*tty autobiographies either. If they did, they’d have known how he likes dog….mmmmm!
  
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- BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:58pm
  @redfish- I had the question appear on a medical form that I filled out and that is what I wrote for the response- none of your business. When the doctor came in, she asked me about my response to that question. I told her that it wasn’t anyone’s business if I had guns in my house.
  
  No one should answer this question- they can’t make you, so don’t.
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:14pm
  Looks to me like a couple of NRA owned Congressman would only vote for this bill if some NRA language was inserted and gave them part of the action.
  
  Sadly, that’s the political system we have.
  
  At least the NRA helped get this bill passed.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:19am
  SendTheMeteors
  Looks to me like a couple of NRA owned Congressman would only vote for this bill if some NRA language was inserted and gave them part of the action.
  ***
  Think of it as a poison pill, a booby trap. Liberals were the b00bies that were trapped.
  I worked for a corporation & it took action when the stock got low because of the business cycle to keep from being bought & broken up by some one or threatened with greenmail.
  Or guerillas or a retreating army will set traps mine roads or buildings to prevent an enemy form using facilities.
  
  Did the NRA want obMAMACare passed? Probably not given that they are self reliant types. It was a vehicle to an end.
  
  They know the Democrats attach so many rider & so many amendments to bills that none are clean bills. They also know as we found out that Democrats do not read bills that they pass. Some of the bills they pass would take them a complete session of Congress to read or understand.
  
  In short they were pretty sure that Democrats would not find this poison pill.
  
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CALLMEMSGT
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:05am
Just dont anger your doctor right before he checks your prostate.

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- VigilantGuardShark
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:49am
  Basically the Left is pissed about this because the NRA beat them to the punch. hats off to Wayne LaPierre.
  
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- MN NICE
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 3:47pm
  Correct MSGT… I had insulted my doc by asking for a second opinion… He then stuck two fingers up my ass…
  
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:59am
All freedom-loving Americans should consider joining the NRA.

The fact that they were able to insert this language into the law is testimony to their effectiveness.

Let’s face it, pilgrims, this is all going to come to hand-to-hand; but, I’m all for trying to counteract the Socialists / Marxists legislatively before the inevitable. Trouble is, 51% of voters said that they’re down with the Ayatollah Obama as recently as November 6, 2012.

Food, water, guns and (plenty) ammo!

“Remember Benghazi and ALL the Traitors!”

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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:18am
  Joining the NRA(spit) is joining the same old same-ol’ cause expecting different effects.
  
  The NRA way got US into these dire straits while playing Good-gun-cop to MAIG-bad-cop. Gun control from the left or the right is only control, guns are how they profit.
  
  It it’s free you’re not the customer, you’re the product.
  
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- Redhawke
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:33am
  Doug, care to back up your factless claims?
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:47am
  Have you stopped abusing yourself yet?
  
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- nonofmybiznez
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:01am
  Doug, everyone makes mistakes. Who envisioned this but our forefathers. We all thought we could work together and get along. We were wrong. This has become a bonefide fight to the end of this nation.
  
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- EARSCHPLITTINLOUDENBOOMER
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:18am
  NONOF: Exactly.
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:52am
  Dougie, what ‘control’ does the NRA exert?
  they have yet to force anyone to purchase a firearm who was disinclined to be a gun owner.
  their stated position that giving in on any issue emboldens the Left to try for more has been proven correct repeatedly.
  their logical response to the Sandy Hook tragedy was panned by the media instead of examined critically.
  their ‘meeting’ with the VP will be in concert with people ‘from hollywood’… clearly their expertise and point of view are being marginalized to share the stage with the vapid…
  
  and we have stopped letting the Left abuse us, thanks.
  but we welcome your going back to your room to spank yourself, and leave the discussion to the big boys and girls.
- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:53am
  About mistakes; yep, and the NRA(spit) knows that and makes it an advantage when they charge for memberships, $500 for a voting membership. Do y’all imagine an NRA-lifer admitting his $500 mistake?
  
  Admiral Rickover taught, on responsibility, that if the responsible person can’t be identified then no one was really in charge. Own up or sell out.
  
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Willik
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:59am
Yeah! This is the legislation that Pelosi said it must be passed before anyone can read it.

And we let the bithc get away with it.

Forgive the language but I can think of nothing stronger to name this harridan.

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- PRRedlin
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:11am
  What she was really saying was, if you’re too damn lazy to read the bill, then vote and see the outcome. It only takes about 2-3 hours to read it.
  
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- timarina
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:22pm
  How sad that you have no respect for yourself or anyone else. I guarantee you wouldn’t call her that name to her face, like all cowards you will only do it anonymously; hiding behind a silly screen name.
  
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- MTgrammie
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:26pm
  PRREDLIN-a little unfamiliar with the workings of Congress? The final bills are sometimes only available for a period of maybe 5 minutes before the vote. I know the fairy tale is that they are each given a copy and weeks and months to consider and study as in college, but just ain’t so! And, I have read it and have a copy–it is gobbly-****. If you had ever read a ‘real’ copy of a law, it is usually full of sections that refer you to another section that refer to another section. That was my job at one point in life and it takes hours to mangle it all together!
  
  Question for discussion: Why was it necessary to even mention gun ownership by doctors anyway? Only reason I can think of is so the information could be available later for other use. And for the record, no one has asked me such a silly question nor would I answer it. What does gun ownership have to do with a bad case of flu????
  
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- retiredguy1952
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:40am
  Let’s see how long a realtor would stay in business under such terms — “Yes, you can buy a home, but you have to sign the purchase agreement and mortgage contract before you can see the house, find out where it’s located or how much it costs.”
  
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:57am
In re Obamascare health and gun-control;

GUN REGULATION WILL BE AS EFFECTIVE AS REGULATION OF COCAINE AND HEROIN.

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- kickagrandma
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:42am
  Yes, and the control of morality…. (*sigh*)
  
  It’s that “FREE WILL” thing that GOD gives us to make choices. As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD and we will cling to our BIBLES and our guns, thank you very much.
  
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- DougHuffman
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:01am
  Thanks.
  
  We suffer the Procrustean narrative fallacy in the demotic attention span. I trimmed everything from that meme that might confuse the invincibly ignorant.
  
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- grimmster
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:17am
  @doug aka encinom.
  “Will be”? Let me guess, you’re so damn stupid,that you dont even realize there are “gun control” laws already on the books? Idiot….
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:05am
  This is what you must know:
  
  Orthodoxy breeds disloyalty among the weak.
  
  It is so.
  
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- Shrugged
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 3:34pm
  Add your comments
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 6:27pm
  Doug
  I resemble that comment. Dammit.
  
  Sensie/WangDang
  Can you do some prose on Fallujah 2 again for a good night time story for the folks that don’t know you are a real hero?
  
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SanDiegoCountyCitizen
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:49am
Its not “secret”… just like Palosi said, ” We have to pass the bill, to understand the bill!” Im guessing the progressive-statists wished they had read the bill now! Of course, they will just blame all future domestic violence on the NRA due to this provision, so the ******** have that going for them!

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WAP
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:46am
First: How is it that this section of the legislation is considered “Secret” by the author\editors? Is this piece of the legislation any more “Secret” than the madate to cover all contraceptive devices or other madates that are being issued? The fact is that the term “Secret” here is a deliberate smear. Blame congress and the Democrat Party who ramrodded the bill through without open public debate. Blame Nancy Pelosi for her “We must pass the bill for you to find out what is in it” attitude.

Second: The characterization that ALL gun statistics cannot be gathered is a false characterization of the language in the bill. The bill specifically states “legal” firearms. If people are shot by illegal firearms use..such as happens in Chicago on a daily basis…those statsitics can be gathered.

Third: How do I know the amount of people shot in Chicago…or anywhere else…if the data is not already being reported? The fact is that the data is already available so why is there a concern when you can find out who has been shot all the time.

Fourth: So the NRA dropped opposition to the bill after the inclusion of the clause. So what? The NRA is not supposed to pass judgment on the total bill…only the infringement on 2nd Amendment rights.

All in all this article appears to me to be quite a biased hack job.

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- SanDiegoCountyCitizen
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:50am
  Agreed!
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:57am
  I like your point of view! I don’t think the writer’s intent was to smear, but nevertheless, thank you for shedding some light on something that was overlooked by at least ONE Blazer – me!
  
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- emh1701
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:31am
  If you want liberal news, go to a liberal site. This is not a liberal site.
  
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sandrunner
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:45am
the hate filled liberals can’t stand they got poop on by their own poop.

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- chips1
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:16am
  The “Al Roker” trick?
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:34am
  Please lay off Al Roker; I agree it was TMI. And he might have done it sincerely on a news show or insincerely as a way to boost his ratings
  
  No doubt it happens to people as they get older. I think it would have been more appropriate for a medical show than a general news show. That is my complaint with it.
  
  We got bigger fish to fry like that university professor claiming negrophobia. He needs to go.
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:44am
Has anyone considered what it is about some Congressman and some local and State leaders and writers , that for the sake of Public Safety (so THEY claim)…

… they’re willing publicly expose the names and addresses of gun owners, drag fellow Congressmen behind trucks, and go into the homes of MILLIONS of gun owners and KILL THEM to disarm them?

It doesn’t take a psychiatrist to see just how freaking IRRATIONAL that is.

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- yoshik
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:40am
  Oh I wish they would practice what they preach!! There would be a lot less of those whining liberals left. Come get mine!!! Seriously!! The patio door is ALWAYS open!
  
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term limits for congress
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:34am
Why the F do doctors want to conduct studies on gun violence??? Isn’t that a study that is best left to the police? It is only the leftist doctors who want to know about guns/ammunition in a household with children… because they want to report the household to CPS.

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- Calm Voice of Reason
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:49am
  Doctors provide the data for the analysis that goes into these kinds of studies. This isn’t necessarily for the direct use of the GP you go to, but he or she likely collects anonymous data for numerous studies that is sent to the CDC. This is how we find out about a lot of things that help people. Incidentally, the NRA has been pushing gags of this type since the early ’90s, when they successfully paid for Arkansas Republican Jay Dickey to outright outlaw any studies relating to gun violence from being funded through the CDC. This is a large part of why very few of the statistics that get thrown around have little to no value. We aren’t being allowed to study the issue: because of the NRA lobby.
  
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:28am
Dr. Sanjay Gupta is not an expert on how laws are passed. It is irresponsible to rely on his opinions as facts.

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- Zipit
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:33am
  Mary! And you my friend are a hot steaming pile of dung!
  
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- Bum thrower
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:34am
  GREAT!!! at least I know my NRA membership dues are doing good. Also, contribute as much as you can and as often as you can to NRA-ILA to protect your 2nd Amendment rights.
  
  And UNELECT ANY politician that ‘crosses the “firing line”‘……
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:39am
  MBE is an expert on us not being able to afford free training for teachers though…We should listen to lib morons more often huh MBE?
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:39am
  Where’s my coffee, Mary! Get busy! And when you’re done, the floors need cleaning! I’ll go get the driveway in a little while.
  
  No coffee – no workee!
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:53am
  WOODYEE! Since MBE is a “hot steaming pile of dung”, she has no opposable thumbs for wich to complete the tasks that you require of her!
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:59am
  MaryBeth. Oh you poor deluded child. The wording of the law was put right up front in the article. It doesn’t take a team of lawyers to interpret.
  
  Do you EVER stop fronting the dogma of the Left? Does your brain EVER work independently of the ideology that you hold?
  
  These are rhetorical questions. Given your posts on the Blaze, we all know that you are not in possession of a questioning, independent, rational mind. You are no more than a propaganda extender. How sad of a life that must be.
  
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- TIMEBOMB
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:11am
  Mary as your magnificent ruler I want to thank you for your support,it’s people like you with a special understanding of a Marxist like me that allows me to be in power,thanks comrade. Praise be to me BHO.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:25am
  I rely on Gupta more than you MBE.
  
  So far Gupta has 100% credibility with me. That is saying something, since he works for CNN.
  
  As long as he sticks to medicine & does not stray he will continue.
  
  I hear him on the radio every day & I see some of his stuff on the web.
  
  He gets into politics & (AND) he is wrong, his credibility can plummet real fast.
  
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- truthnstuff
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:15am
  MBE is being considered as the poster child for Home Schooling. Her posts will one day be proof positive that the public education system does not educate, merely indoctrinates.
  
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- EARSCHPLITTINLOUDENBOOMER
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:20am
  Yes, Gomer, please enlighten us with more brilliance. *eyes rolling*
  
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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:46am
  Mary, apologies (and I hate that this will increase your remittance from your handler), but ANY AMERICAN who graduated high school before 1990 would have had a class in government.
  
  So every educated American should have a better than passing knowledge of how a law is passed. Since apparently you are a victim of the ‘modern learning’ meant to become a sheeple (and congratulate your teachers, they suceeded), try going back to the 30 second ‘i’m just a bill’ schoolhouse rocks video… i’m sure it’s on YouTube. It will get you up to speed so you, too, can be an ‘expert’ on how a law is passed.
  
  and feel free to watch it a dozen or so times… get every word down… we won’t miss your absence…
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 1:50pm
  MBE
  
  It’s written in plain English, so I fail to see your point.
  
  Are even those with PHDs not to be trusted anymore?
  
  Are the only ones left with common sense YOUR people at the huffington post?
  
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700P
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:27am
If Reid thinks he can survive politically in Nevada without upholding the 2nd Amendment, he’s got a rude surprise coming. He better have a come to Jesus with his “critics” or announce his intentions to not run for reelection.

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- hauschild
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:30am
  What, he stole the last election. What makes you think it’ll be any different next go around?
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:35am
  The union pigs helped Reid the last time around with massive voter fraud that’s how the candy@ss kept his job.
  
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- timarina
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:31pm
  He most certainly will uphold the 2nd amendment. And he will help put the “regulate” back in “well regualted”. Funny how the rabid right claims to love the Constitution but they really hate what it actually says.
  
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showmerancher
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:27am
Gee, ObamaCare and shootings, related. Now if you toss in Big Pharma and what would happen to ObamaCare if they became implicated in the school shootings, you might get to the root why (other than ideology to dump the 2nd Amendment) Liberals want to blame guns for the shootings. You see, back in 1999-2000 even Ariana Huffington was on to what might be the biggest cause of school shootings and wrote about it in her syndicated articles and blogs at the time. (Referenced in the last two items below.) Ban guns and a lucrative black market will supply them and school shootings will continue. Guns won’t stop. Alcohol didn’t stop during prohibition, illegal drugs haven’t even after decades of a “war on drugs”.

Here’s some interesting reading:

From the Citizens Commission on Human Rights International:
https://www.cchrint.org/tag/school-shootings/

From twitter:
https://twitter.com/search/prozac,%20paxil

From China Daily, 6 Months before Connecticut:
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-767163-1-1.html

How about this reprinted from a 1999 Blog:
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/the-school-shooting-white-paper/

And this from May of 2000:
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/2000-05-16-School-Shootings-Psychotropic-Drugs.htm#United%20States%20House%20Committee%20on%20Education%20and%20Workforce%20Studies%20Ritalin!

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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:30am
  I listened to a talk show host saying he was on alderol for ADHD & that it was nasty stuff. He is off it now, but that was his AL Roker type admission. He admitted this after a caller said that his daughter was on had been on alderol or stop taking it. At that time she violently attacked 2 peers & attacked her step mother. I guess we can be thankful that this girl did not have a plan of evil intent. There would have been a body count.
  
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- Small World
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 9:28pm
  We all know the truth…D*R*U*G*S.Need to file Freedom Of Info..
  
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starman70
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:26am
The slow creep of government into a person’s right of privacy is insidious. 20 years from now, if the “Progressives” have their way, we will be just another USSR or even worse, North Korea.

Start teaching your children and gradnchildren the Constitution and the Declaration of Independance.

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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:44am
  Of course you’re correct,the progs started their assault on the constitution roughly a century ago and they haven’t stopped. They forced socialized medicine on us and eventually they’ll ‘transform’ us into a communist state.It’s ironic isn’t it Russia is a communist state and they’re moving slowly toward capitalism and we’re moving toward communism.
  
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- decendentof56
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:44am
  Yes, Starman, and teach them about UN Agenda 21. That is the real ” hot steaming pile of dung” that will be the machine which has us living in managed “transit villages”, move us off our land, and have cougars roaming the woods next to the “pubic recreation areas” in the high-density” population centers planned for your kids and/or grand-kids.
  Teach them about “wildlands”, “wetlands”, “emminant domain”, “sustainable development”, “blighted areas”, and teach them about the facilitators of UN Agenda 21.
  
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- timarina
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 7:45pm
  Or, at least teach them to spell Independence.
  
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biohazard23
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:26am
But… but… we had to pass it to find out what’s in it!! Will someone just go ahead and drop a house on Pelousy already?? Jeez… Where’s a flying monkey to lend a hand when you need one?

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hauschild
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:26am
How ironic that the ONE section in the entire bill that is Constitutional is coming under such intense scrutiny.

Leftists are far beyond pathetic.

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Speak without Fear
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:23am
We have to pass the bill to find out what is in it….the famous words of Nancy Piglousy.

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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:23am
And i love the picture of Reid. He looks like the “Jack-in-the-Box” from the Island of Misfit Toys in Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. Pelosi : she looks like Skeletor as usual. What a pair of Boobs, and i don’t mean the ones barley sticking out of Skeletors Chest.

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- whattaconcept
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:52am
  Pelosi and her crones and cronies have been at this for so long……THEY THINK THEIR CRUSADING AGAINST POOR RALPHIE’S “RED RYDER LEVER ACTION BBGUN WITH THE COMPASS, AND THE THING THAT FITS IN THE STOCK “!!!
  
  Then, BILLARY SPEWS FORTH WITH HER ROCKE,,, ER, STONE FACE TO TRY TO RAM THE UN GLOBAL SMALL ARMS TREATY IN OUR FACE…..!!!
  
  Seriously….can the gun owners out there just TAKE THE TIME TO THINK WHAT SORT OF PICTURE IT WOULD MAKE IF, ONCE A SO-CALLED “GUN-CONTROL MEASURE (THAT SOME TEETH TO IT)..WAS ANNOUNCED THEN A PARTIAL…(ALTHOUGH VERY STRONG) PRETTY MUCH NATIONWIDE “SHOW OF ARMS”
  
  Nothing like an eye-opening statement of opinions!!!!
  
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kaydeebeau
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:23am
The question re: owning guns has been part of the questions asked at many DR offices for a few years – I always leave the answer blank or put NOYDB (none of your damned business)

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- 700P
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:30am
  Like Nancy said, “Just say No”
  
  God will not judge you for lying to Infidels
  
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jcldwl
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:21am
Good for the NRA. I knew our money was being put to good use. The thing is if my doctor asked me if I had any guns in my house I would find another doctor. If they ask you that question it is obvious they have an agenda and cannot be trusted. And why would you let someone you can’t trust provide you with health care?

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- TRILO
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 12:12pm
  My thoughts as well.
  
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700P
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:21am
Liberals are odious. Just because I believe in truth and justice, I would never tell a doctor if I owned guns because it’s none of their business. I’m making sure my children do likewise.

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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:20am
The collectivists are right on track to single payer,the nirvana for all collectivists because there’s nothing they love more than having power and control over people.The Marxist regime and scotus really did a number on us and it’ll be clear just how bad it is even to the supporters of that hellish law.

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- CatB
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:30am
  Yes but what will anyone be able to do? Funny how we have been told that we can not get rid of it ..when those same people IGNORE other laws daily.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:38am
  How many government programs do you know of that ended? No,this hellish anti-American communistic POS law is here permanently I’m afraid.
  
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- retiredfire
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 12:27pm
  CATB,
  I have been wondering for a while: When any Federal Judge rules a conservative-backed law as unconstitutional, it is immediately stopped but when the Federal Judge in Florida, I think, ruled the entire Obamacare act that way, nothing changed.
  On the same vein, why doesn’t the SCOTUS rule on the entirety of a law and its adherence to the Constitution, not just a narrow provision as was the case last year?
  
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scrapadapolis
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:20am
Well the ONLY TRUTH that has ever come out of Polosi mouth was the statement.”We have to pass this in order to find out whats in it”..

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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:13am
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History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes. And the sad part is most people are too blind to see the facts…..

Hitler’s Europe here we come……

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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:25am
  Did you read the article? The provision states that gun ownership does NOT have to be disclosed.
  
  Doctors can not collect data on gun ownership.
  
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- SpankDaMonkey
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:34am
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  If you think this provision will stand, I have Beach Front property in Colorado I want to sell you cheep….
  
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- thekuligs
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:24am
  Here is a hint, don’t answer questions about guns from your doctor. They don’t need to know to do their job and it is not health related.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 10:38am
  This small little addition to Obamacare will not stop anything. The real teeth in obamacare is they government will now know exactly what psychotropic med you are taking, and who is seeing a psychiatrist/psychologist, and that my friends is how they will take your guns/ammo after some nitwit study links these shootings to mental disturbance. Anyone who has every took wellbutin or paxin (psychotropics) to quit smoking will not be allowed to own a gun . The list of meds that people take to help with things other than depression are long.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:07am
The curse of Obamacare continues to grow as it has become an blanket for the social transformation that Obama will have happen no matter the cost.

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- neverending
  Posted on January 9, 2013 at 8:16am
  They have left no stone unturned!
  
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