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Biden Holds Unannounced Meeting With Faith Leaders…on Gun Control

Jan. 10, 2013 7:42am Billy Hallowell

Joe Biden Meets With Faith Leaders on Gun Control | Executive Orders

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden (R) makes brief remarks to the press at the beginning of a meeting with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder (2nd R) and gun violence survivors and victims and gun safety advocacy groups in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building January 9, 2013 in Washington, DC. Credit: Getty Images

Following controversial comments alleging that President Barack Obama will potentially rely upon “executive orders” to tackle gun control, Vice President Joe Biden held an unannounced meeting with faith leaders on Wednesday where he purportedly reiterated the same point.

The nation’s second-in-command and his gun violence team discussed the issues surrounding firearms and the country’s most recent crises with 12 national faith leaders in an effort to urge them to “help find common sense solutions.”

During the event, Biden reportedly echoed what he told reporters earlier in the day — that the Obama administration will be taking two tracks to curb gun violence and, coincidentally, ownership. In addition to working with Congress and relying upon a legislative track, the vice-president, again, said that Obama will use unilateral control through executive action. This latter avenue will be taken more quickly, as the president has the ability to more swiftly enact regulations.

CNN has more about the topics of discussion that were on the table during the faith-based discussion:

In the meeting, he did not offer specifics on what type of measures the committee was contemplating. The topics of background checks, assault weapon bans and mental health were discussed, and the vice president mentioned those three as some of the most talked about subjects so far in his various committee sessions.

Leaders of the Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and Hindu religions, as well as Evangelical and Pentecostal Christian communities, were represented. Among other topics they raised: protection of religious buildings and religious intolerance.

Several of the faith leaders in attendance spoke about the horror that gun violence has brought the nation in recent months, with Biden talking about how imperative — at a moral level — it is to take pointed action.

“He was asking the faith community to use the power of our moral voices and persuasion” to help find common sense solutions,” said Rev. Michael McBride, the head of PICO National Network’s Lifelines to Healing Campaign — an effort to reduce inner-city gun violence.

Credit: Getty Images

While it’s known that a diverse group of faith leaders was in attendance at this meeting, it is unclear where each individual stands politically and, more specifically, on gun control. But considering the power and persuasion that religious influentials have over congregations, it’s no surprise that the administration is seeking their guidance and assistance in finding solutions.

Rallying people of faith on this issue, though, may be a difficult task. As TheBlaze has previously noted, when it comes to enacting gun control initiatives, there are stark differences among Christian denominations. These disparities grow even more when ethnicity comes into play. While white evangelicals, for instance, shun gun control, black Christians (and Catholics, more generally) tend to advocate for stricter laws.

(H/T: CNN)

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Comments (92)

toledofan
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:52am
One thing is becoming clear is that Obamas second term will dwarf his first in the turn to the far left. It’s just amazing to see the hypocracy on the left and their glaring disregard for the Constitution. This gun debate is so emotional it defies logic. Using the tradegy at Sandy Hook isn’t a good idea and at the end of the day it was the person and not the guns that killed the kids. But, it all boils down to feeling good because you are doing something to make something better, no matter if it works or not. I say all those like Biden and Obama should be the first to announce their secret service teams will protect them unarmed, no guns; they will use swords, knifes or a sling shot. See how that would go over.

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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:59am
  Will the catholics sell us down the drain again? That is the first question.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:44am
  @TOLEDOFAN
  
  First of all, the Secret Service is authorized by law (18 United States Code § 3056) to protect the President and Vice President. They (P & VP) have no authority to tell the Secret Service how to protect them, so it is crazy to even suggest that they could ask for no guns to be used in their protection.
  
  Secondly, the President is NOT trying to take away our Second Amendment Rights – that’s paranoid thinking. But, he wisely does want to create some meaningful gun control. Whether you wish to recognize it or not, guns are part of the problem and the control of their use and the control of which types of weapons that should be allowed for use by citizens is critical for the health and safety of our Nation. And, believe it or not, MOST American’s want some sort of meaningful gun control.
  
  Thirdly, if the President chooses to use his executive powers with regards to gun control, there is a limited amount his Office has the authority to do. They are considering such actions as “making gun-trafficking a felony, getting the Justice Dept. to prosecute people caught lying on gun background-check forms and ordering federal agencies to send data to the National Gun Background Check Database.” (Associated Press) It would take Congressional approval for there to be any weapon’s ban.
  
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- Fat Hubie
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:56am
  It only becomes a “debate” if you get a little hooked by the emotion. No compromise, no problems. Notice that they refuse to listen to “debate”, they just want their way. They continually enlist “useful idiots” (Hollywood, religion, etc.) to push their effort to ” comporomise” (i.e. get you to give up a little more). If they could just get all the guns they could always get their way.
  
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- OutOfTheAether
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:59am
  SOSORRYFORYOU
  
  A little history lesson for you
  
  In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
  In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
  Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews, Romani and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
  
  China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
  
  Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
  Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
  Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  
  OK. Now add that up. 56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control.
  
  Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Note the word ‘Citizens’. Without that right, we’re just Subjects
  
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- IndyGuy
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:03am
  “help find common sense solutions.”
  
  The most common sense solution is eliminate “GUN FREE ZONES”…..Or start calling them what they are…SITTING DUCK ZONES…
  
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- DeOppressoLiber
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:08am
  To the LEO how does the Warren vs DC case effect this situation of gun banning?
  
  The SCOTUS has ruled that police are there to enforce the laws not to provide protection.
  
  Are you obligated to enforce an unconstitutional law? Enforce it until it is deemed unconstitutional? Are LEO legally bound to uphold the constitution or enforce the laws?
  
  These are serious questions that have to be answered. I am sure that the US citizens would like to know the legalities of what the LEO’s will have to do. I am sure you would like to know what you will be expected to do.
  
  Some questions you might ask your version of JAG. Maybe than you could use that information to Community Organize in your ranks and make a stronger statement.
  
  If you do nothing what does that say?
  
  Nuremberg Principle IV states: “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him”.
  This principle could be paraphrased as follows: “It is not an acceptable excuse to say ‘I was just following my superior’s orders’”.
  
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- Redhawke
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:09am
  SoSorry ” the President is NOT trying to take away our Second Amendment Rights”
  
  You Lie!
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:14am
  @Sosorryforyou
  
  I bet Valerie Jarret tells the SS a thing or 50…..
  
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- Metallicat
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:48am
  @sosorryforyou
  You are incorrect in saying that MOST Americans want meaningful gun control measures. the last poll I have seen suggests that 70% of Americans disagree with you.
  
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- tasher
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:14pm
  biden is not talking about abortion control. the school shooting was terrible, but the over 3000 babies we kill a day get no mention when he talks about our MORAL voices
  
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- AntiFed
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:19pm
  These people(liberals) promote the slaughter of children everyday to the tune of 4000 little lives by abortion, 200 hundred Newtown’s a day. A platform the Democrats ran on, so the hypocrisy is off the charts. They take God, morality, rule of law and personal responsibility out of the public domain and then point the finger at the law abiding citizens. You take God out and evil will fill the void every time. I am deeply sorrowed by the senseless destruction of these lives. If you can expose the demigods that are screaming for something to be done as the basis for what is happening, then maybe this senseless slaughter can be used for a positive change to prevent this crap from happening again. Obama and the democrats are promoting hate and envy as the way to maintain and expand their power and I am sure this will be no different. We need to attack at every level, use their words against them, expose the soft underbelly of these evil people and align ourselves with God and WE WIILL WIN the battle for this nation and its soul.
  
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- ranepowel
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:11pm
  What poll are some of you morons referencing that says something like 70-80% of people want less strict gun control laws? All polling information, including the one I’ve linked below says that the number of people who want less control are the overwhelming minority, with only 15-20%, while people wanting gun control to stay the same are about 35% and people wanting more control are at about 38%.
  
  http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:23pm
  @TASHER and ANTIFED
  
  Both of your posts seem to imply that it is only Democrats and/or Liberals who are pro-choice, and that the Republicans and Conservatives hold a monopoly on righteous living. Well, considering who passed Roe vs Wade in 1973, and unleashed the “slaughter of children” in our Country, I think you’d better look at your own party/political persuasion as the culprits (Roe v Wade was passed by a majority of Republican-appointed Supreme Court Justices – 5 out of the 7 of the majority. Of the three Democratic-appointed Justices on the Court, 2 voted in the Majority and 1 voted in the Minority along with 1 Republican-appointed Justice). And if I’m correct, since Roe v Wade, no Republican Congressman or Congresswomen has tried to implement legislation to change the Roe v Wade ruling, although I may be wrong about this. So, I’m not sure why you are demonizing Democrats and Liberals in regards to abortion. Personally, I know many Conservatives who are Pro-Choice and many Liberals who are Pro-Life. It’s not an either/or, black or white issue. Stop trying to make abortion a political issue, unless you are willing to admit to yourselves that is was the Republicans who did the unleashing.
  
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Look4DBigPicture
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:24am
It’s disturbing to realize the Dems are initiating their determination to remove guns from law abiding citizens and presidential term limits at the same time … yet the average American isn’t even slightly aware of this tyrannical threat to our country.

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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:35am
  yes they want to do away with the 22nd amendment. but most people have no idea. these ARE THE TIMES THAT TRY MENS SOULS. a storm is coming and we need our military here. the tree of liberty is drying up it needs……
  
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cloudsofwar
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:21am
i was born in ’53. we had guns like the m1 carbine with 30 rounds clips in 30 caliber when i was growing up. you NEVER heard of ANYONE shooting up shoping centers or movies or schools. and don’t forget we also had M1 garands with 8 round clips also in 30 cal. society has changed we now have video games that make sport out of killing and stealing and all women are whores. not to mention the stinking movies we now have. and don’t forget PORN everywhere. it’s not the guns IT”S THE PEOPLE. Society is Godless with no morals. just what the progressives have been wanting.

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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:39am
  if i could i would move to fly over country where there is still some common since but i have family here and my grandsons.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:54pm
  If you want your family, including your grandkids, to breathe free and survive, you’d better get yourself AND THEM to “flyover country”.
  
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jd9215
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:13am
Lets stop calling it “Gun Control”, and call it what it really is. “Gun Banning”. How many people will be added to the unemployment line if these D-bags in Washington get their way?

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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:30am
  the questions is How many familys will end up on the streets? when they come for your guns and you wont give them up they will take everything you have as punishment. obama wants your guns, your bibles, your wealth. they now also want to tax your wealth that you have gather your whole adult life, your homes, your savings. your cars,furniture, everything. and Biden meets with faith leaders, a BOLD FACE LIAR.
  
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- brigott
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:06pm
  I know you mean well, JD9215, but unemployment – whether it goes up or whether it drops significantly either way – is absolutely NOT a part of this debate.
  
  Employment is not a Constitutional right. Possessing firearms is.
  
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noslave
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:11am
the “FAITH MINISTERS??”probably inner city poverty pimps like al sharpton,jesse jackson,etc.obama dosent want to offend the bros in da hood with gun problems???he may need them for his war when he declares himself emperor or dictator????

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Joyzee
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:09am
Hey Joe! Obama would use You as a Human shield if it comes down to it

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- brntout
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:26pm
  Obama Bin Biden his time.
  
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GuruMeditation
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:09am
Yet another attempt to control the sheep. Problem is the sheep defend themselves these days, at least until the Messiah returns. Good luck with your futile effort Biden.

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2dogs
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:05am
Obama care imposes on the first amendment,would he need there blessing.to take away our second amendment also.have they no shame !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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david3755
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:55am
Wonder if he talked to any of the jews who live on the edge everyday in Israel defending themselves from the terrorists? I think the end results would have been different if Hitler had not been able to implement gun control for Germany before he started exterminating people,

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ares338
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:55am
Oh great….they get the biggest moron on the face of the earth to talk about gun control. He can’t go 5 minutes without embarrassing himself or Democrats in general.

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- brntout
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:24pm
  I see Erika was seated next to him.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:43am
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It will take a S.W.A.T. Team to take my guns away from me…..

Like I said in another post my oldest daughter Kissed me goodbye last night after we talked about Obama coming to take my guns. Because I will not go to the gas chamber without a fight………

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- IndyGuy
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:54am
  I just gotta ask….Why was the meeting UNANNOUNCED???
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:56am
  This move is a clear indication that they’re going to play Chicago politics as usual. Drum up emotionalistic rage, anger, grief and public gnashing of teeth, then use the emotionalism to justify anything they wish to do.
  
  They can justify till the cows come home though, I’m not giving up one single firearm, and I won’t stop carrying my sidearm.
  
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- IndyGuy
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:57am
  P.S. The Obama Administration isn’t even trying to be the slightest bit transparent…Let alone “THE MOST TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATION”
  
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- brntout
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:40pm
  Spanky, my daughter was scared when I told her to purchase a gun 5 years ago.I told her it was her God given right to posess one. She asked me if I had one, and I told her before you were ever born. Funny I’ve not had to use it, but I told her one day I will. When the Goon Squad comes knockin’ firing pin will be rockin’ so says me.
  
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cloudsofwar
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:41am
if obama writes an EO on gun control and Boenher doesn’t stand up and file for impeachment then we are LOST. and it will be time for a third party.

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cloudsofwar
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:33am
so Biden says that the shootings in Newtown have awaken our Conscience. is that because a gun was used? the answer is yes. he could care less about the deaths of those children. he only wants to take away our 2nd amendment and is using these murders as an excuse. Obama and Biden are dancing on the dead bodies of those dead children. ObamaBiden makes me sick and make it hard for me to read the news anymore. we are in the hands of would be dictators. if i was in the military i would have to quit rather than take another order from these people. GOD HELP US.

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- 1stfreedom
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:48am
  Cloudsofwar has it exactly right. Gun control ain’t about GUNS, it’s about CONTROL.
  He who makes a plowshare out of his sword will plow for those who keep their swords.
  NEVER surrender your right to own firearms to ANYONE under ANY authority.
  GOD BLESS AMERICA!
  
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- OutOfTheAether
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:16pm
  To paraphrase something that another commentor post here a few days ago:
  
  Things like this are what make me wonder about the fake outrage from the left when it comes to things like we saw in the Sandy Hook massacre. They will fully condone, or at the very least turn a blind eye to, the fact of 50 million babies being murdered every year thru abortions and then have the unmitigated gall to act so outraged at the death of a nuisance animal or the tragic death of children. Maybe I missed something. Maybe it’s the method not the event they object to. Maybe it’s because they’re just hacked off that the children’s deaths were done with “an evil black rifles” and not with a vacuum sucking the brains out”. Or maybe most likely they’re thinking “we can use this event to our own ends to take control”
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:30am
This is going to be an all out weapons ban and seizure or close to it by Obama.

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- Landon410
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:43am
  I remember a lot of liberal trolls in here saying “what has obama done to make you think he wants to take your guns, crazy conservatives”
  how about…. his VP saying they are going to use exectutive orders to take away our guns……
  
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NoMoMrNiceGuy
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:27am
Scew them and the horse they rode in on. He can use exec order if he wants. He just makes us criminals and divides us further.

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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:36am
  EO on gun control should = Impeachment.
  
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- Landon410
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:49am
  cloudsofwar I agree, how can directly saying screw you to the constitution not be grounds for impeachment? but there aren’t enough votes to really get anything done with it….
  
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Thighmaster
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:27am
It’s going to be a long 4 years, they’re going to come at us like ants at a picnic… btw, where are the republicans we elected ?

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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:38am
  drying boenhers tears.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:19am
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12 national faith leaders my a$$, they probably sat in a circle on little rugs……..

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- IndyGuy
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:12pm
  Naw…they were in a row facing Meccah…
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:13am
“The topics of background checks, assault weapon bans and mental health were discussed.”

Weapons ban – no right to it.

Mental health – as defined by who? For ex. – too many of Gaybama’s advocates have stated that Conservatism is a mental health issue, and they were serious. Did you ever write an angry letter, post an angry thought; did you ever refuse to divulge to a doctor that you own firearms; have you ever taken medication for stress, or to help you sleep, are you a member of an anti-government organization (as defined by who?); did you ever raise your voice or act out in class, or at home with parents or neighbors?

Background check – to fit in any of the above, and more.

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- tzion
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:31am
  I understand your concern with mental health requirements. At the very least though we should be able to agree that people who can’t be trusted to live independently, such dymensia patients, shouldn’t carry. I know of someone whose autistic and is legally permitted to have a legal guardian help him vote. Perhaps we could make a requirement for character witnesses who will vouch for someone.
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:51am
  That SHOULD go without saying, TZION, hence my caveat “As defined by who?”
  
  ;-)
  
  Want some coffee?
  
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Cavallo
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:07am
We already know that blacks are fascists, or at least 95% of them. Interesting that most gun violence is done by blacks. Catholics have shown quite a bit of their true colors in recent months by exposing their penchant for fascism. Their desires for oppression have caused an exceptional boom in sales though. Backorders for high capacity AR 15 rounds has passed 1 million.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/panic-one-million-ar-15-magazines-backorder

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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:39am
  I am a Catholic. If my church supports gun confiscation, I will be forced to decide if my loyalty is to the Church or the USA. I am an American. Gun confiscation is not dogma or doctrine. I will leave the church. I believe that the US is the last best hope for the survival of Christianity. I will do my duty to God and Country.
  
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- Dano.50
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:04am
  Dismayed Veteran
  
  We’re in the same boat in Canada.
  
  Not so much gun control as we already have to go through a colonoscopy before you can get a gun, but it floored me a couple months ago, when the priest began talking about our being responsible for, and I quote, “Social Justice” and “Climate Change.”
  
  This garbage isn’t just being pushed in U.S. churches, it’s everywhere.
  
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- Landon410
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:35am
  you shouldn’t be loyal to your church, you should be loyal to God, there is HUGE difference
  if you pastor/priest/rabi/witch dr/liberal media tell you you shouldn’t have guns…. .who gives a rats as
  
  we know we have the right to guns… Mark Levine said yesterday that since we no longer have a bill of rights, we have a bill of needs, and since people dont “need” 10 round mags they shouldn’t have them.. but I don’t need obamacare, I have a job, i have helathinsurance etc…
  
  by loyal to God and country, not priest and obama
  
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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:44am
  i’m also catholic and cavallo your wrong about catholics.
  
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- Landon410
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:57am
  cloudsofwar, a lot of the “top brass” that happen to be in europe are as described…… they are against capitalism, guns, etc…. we know this not by guessing, but because they’ve said it. That isn’t to say catholics themselves agree with these things, but this is what their church leaders preach…..
  
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- brntout
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:49pm
  to Dismayed…. I must question your even thinking Catholocism had any part of your signing up for for the defense of your country… The thought that you might have to depart the sect because you own a gun???? How else are you suppose to defend your loved ones,by joining the service and have them issue you a gun once again? think it would be a Know brainer on this one.
  
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kaydeebeau
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:03am
Seems I recall similar outreach to get the churchs on the propaganda machine by a regime back in the 1930s – I don’t think that worked out very well….

“Government is not reason; it is force and fire. A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

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nilo
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:00am
Does anyone really think that the administration is really serious as to what these conservatives, or even the other groups Biden will talk to , think? Its all a publicity stunt. lIts all for show, trying to get people on the band wagon. They intend to take our guns, PERIOD!! And they at best want everyone’s input as to how to do it, short of civil war. Above all else that Obama has done to our Constitution, the 2nd Amendment is by far most crucial because its annihilation takes away all resistance to the overthrow of America. Like Rush Limbaugh says: “Don’t doubt me”! If he can get away with it, he will use the Executive Order to do it, and thereby bypass Congress all together. The RINO’s in Congress really scare me now, because they have a very bad track record on conservative issues, including upholding the Constitution. If they take our guns, they take America. Supressing religion will soon follow.

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justangry
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:53am
No president has the authority to decide our rights guaranteed by the constitution are null and void. But what scares me the most is where is the outrage from the GOP? I haven’t heard one republican say, no we’re not going to let him be a dictator and destroy our constituents rights.

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:27am
  What scares me the most is this notion of treating the Constitution as an afterthought.
  “What is right and wrong by MY standards?”
  “What can I get away with?”
  seems to be motes-operandi for everyone in power.
  None of them take the founders seriously anymore.
  
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- WildschweinJager
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:44am
  @EAST
  
  Some other Blazer posted this eariler. It should be repeated, over and over until the Executive Branch gets the point.
  
  “Government is not reason; it is force and fire. A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington
  
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RightUnite
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:51am
I’m thinking they’re just holding this circus to let their sheep followers think they’re actually doing something, but in the end will say, yeahhhhh… Ummm…. We kind of have our hands tied. I mean, we really tried, but there’s that thingy called the 2nd Amendment, blahblahblah….

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- WildschweinJager
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:59am
  @RightUnite
  You have made a very good point.
  
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WildschweinJager
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:50am
#2 Dummy in Chief

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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:50am
Talk of some sort of executive order by Obama to restrict or “change” our guns laws seems to be just the up-front portion of his attempt to make us live like cows.
If you read both of the attached stories, it’s pretty clear that being a well-known weapons expert in the civilian sector is becoming very hazardous to your health. Am I reading too much into the deaths of two renowned weapons experts in just one week? Traffic accidents are one thing; but, a single bullet to the head is quite another. That death reminds me of the deaths of three openly gay members of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation between November and December 31, 2007. Oh, did I mention that the Chicago police have no leads?
As far as I’m concerned, it’s started.

http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/01/john-noveske-founder-of-noveske-rifleworks-will-be-missed-2456002.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259190/Keith-Ratliff-Popular-online-guns-explosives-expert-shot-death-rural-Georgia-road.html

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