Oregon Men Openly Carry Rifles Around Portland Neighborhood to Make Point — Good Idea? (Poll)
Image source: KATU-TV
Two Oregon men carrying semiautomatic rifles on their backs caused alarm and even prompted a learning center to go into lockdown on Wednesday, but the men said they were just exercising their Second Amendment right to bear arms in public.
Warren Drouin and Steven Boyce, both 22, were spotted walking around a Portland neighborhood around 2 p.m., their weapons in full view, KATU-TV reported. Police were called, but because Oregon state law permits the open carrying of firearms, the men weren’t breaking any laws.
Drouin and Boyce said they were just trying to normalize the image of legally carrying weapons in public.
“I just want to educate people that it’s OK however you want to carry or not at all,” Boyce told KATU.
But parents and others in the neighborhood were disturbed and upset by the display, which came less than a month after a gunman used a semiautomatic rifle to massacre 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
“That’s not the purpose of the Second Amendment, to frighten citizens, to frighten women and children,” Susan Anglada Bartley, the mother of a 9-month-old girl, told the station. “And I don’t think there’s anyone who can argue, especially after the tragedy where so many children were killed – nobody can argue that it’s not scary to have people marauding around Sellwood with guns.”
It also happened the same day Vice President Joe Biden suggested President Barack Obama could take “executive action” to crack down on guns.
“It’s completely ridiculous,” Bob Cronk said of Drouin and Boyce’s actions. “I think our right to a peaceful quiet school day comes before their right to brandish their rifles in a family-oriented neighborhood.”
Image source: YouTube
Drouin’s YouTube account, under the username “Markedguardian,” contains dozens of videos of him walking around with his AR-15 strapped to his back and his encounters with law enforcement. He describes himself as a “constitutional guardian and activist…trying to normalize firearms in public.”
“I believe that carry [sic] a rifle daily will bring a strong culture in my area,” he says.
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Tarantulas
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:08pmThey weren’t “marauding” or “brandishing.” They were exercising their Second Amendment rights, just as their detractors exercised their First Amendment rights to criticize them. These guys should walk around armed every day, until the hand-wringers stop being disturbed and upset and accept that open carry is a Constitutional right.
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Leslie Anne
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:21pmAll 2nd Amendment supporters need to start exercising their right to bear arms…even in public.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:23pmIt’s only ok to use a gun if your a liberal BP supporter. Holoder is now involved with the NRA meeting’s at the W.H. This need’s to be brought up.http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-did-eric-holder-participate-in-armed-occupation-of-columbia-rotc-office/
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Leslie Anne
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:30pmPeople never should have stopped carrying around their guns in the first place.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:33pmLOL. Yessiree Skippy
Wyoming Lawmakers Propose ‘Gun Protection’ Legislation
http://k2radio.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-gun-protection-legislation/
“Several Wyoming lawmakers are proposing legislation designed to protect gun-owners from any potential federal firearm ban. The “Firearms Protection Act” bill, introduced this week, would make any federal law banning semi-automatic firearms or limiting the size of gun magazines unenforceable within the state’s boundaries.”
“Anyone trying to enforce a federal gun ban could face felony charges under the proposal. It also includes a provision allowing the Wyoming Attorney General’s office to defend any state resident against any federal firearm ban.”
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13a
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:52pmAmericans have only really seen guns in public when a killer or criminal is holding one. They need to see guns held by responsible law abiding citizens in public.
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Female
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:54pmThe guy has been doing this since 2011 at least. Here’s one of his 1st videos, shows a good explanation of his purpose and how nervous he made them at the beginning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2Og5F9lvg&NR=1&feature=endscreen
When did gun-carrying citizens disappear from main street? Was it with the hiring of police departments? Was it with the increase in autos? Did it change with the industries? Is it due to Vetcare for animals, peta, or love children of the 60′s? I grew-up in NJ 1960′s parents “no guns or even talk of guns”, (that I know of which my dad may have had but no…did have toys and brother’s BB guns). I wonder whether my grandparents….or great grandparents. Or anyone other then x-military. Did the hostility start in the NE and jump to California with the transport of nyc movie makers? and spread?
I would probably keep an eye on those guys while within range, but at a range it wouldn’t matter. They also, have the disadvantage of falling into the age group and race of these mass shooters.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:00pmThe problem is the left wing propaganda machine has created a wussy, frightened american public. Firearms awareness used to be part of normal society. It needs to get back to that. Allowing liberals irrational fear to control our rights has got to stop.
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00100111
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:18pm“I think our right to a peaceful quiet school day comes before their right to brandish their rifles in a family-oriented neighborhood.”
Sorry, you don’t have the “right to a peaceful quiet school day”. It just doesn’t exist. You do have the right to defend yourself and do your best to keep it peaceful, yourself. But no, you don’t have the right to “a peaceful day”.
If that mother of the 9 yr old was frightened, that is a personal problem. My right to carry doesn’t depend on someone else’s warm fuzzy feeling. Don’t like it? Tough, get over it. It is something you’re going to need to come to terms with, lady.
We’re here, we’re armed, get used to it.
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poorrichard09
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:23pmI live in OR near this area. I own guns and understand the statement they were making. But, they should remember it was “20-something” young men with AR-15′s that did the last few mass killings (like the one in the nearby Clackamas, OR shopping mall 2 weeks before Xmas) that killed two, wounded one. Before that it was Aurora, CO.
It is just bad PR for honest gun owners, that’s all.
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DTR
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:28pmI would love for society to see firearms this way, but we can’t force it upon people. I love where their heads are at, but this is not the way to prove your point. I’m glad they weren’t breaking any laws. Hopefully Texas will soon adopt open carry so I don’t have to worry about printing anymore.
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BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:35pm“…why do you allow these men who are in power to rob you step by step, openly and in secret, of one domain of your rights after another, until one day nothing, nothing at all will be left but a mechanised state system presided over by criminals and drunks? Is your spirit already so crushed by abuse that you forget it is your right – or rather, your moral duty – to eliminate this system?” (From White Rose Leaflet 3)
“Safety from external danger is the most powerful director of national conduct. Even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to its dictates. The violent destruction of life and property incident to war, the continual effort and alarm attendant on a state of continual danger, will compel nations the most attached to liberty to resort for repose and security to institutions which have a tendency to destroy their civil and political rights. To be more safe, they at length become willing to run the risk of being less free.”
― Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers
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000degrees
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:43pmWe can thank biden and crew for this…..
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desertspeaks
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:49pma visibly armed society is a VERY polite society.. I’ve open carried now for over 30 years, ive been accustomed to being stopped by the police and questioned over 100 times over the 30 years and once the police know who you are and that you pose no threat, they often times become very friendly.
SADLY newer recruits of the mafia, erm I meant police, are seemingly brainwashed into thinking that NO ONE BUT THEM should have guns, but once you ask them for a certified copy of their hazard bond “WHICH NO POLICE OFFICER HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO PRODUCE FOR ME TO DATE” they tend to go away!
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fastfacts
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:59pmThere is a video everyone needs to see to know 5 simple facts on guns, schools, and safety: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2013/jan/facts_guns_school.html
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atechgeek
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:30pmI’d be willing to be they won’t get robbed or attacked.
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13th Imam
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:33pmBet the crime rate goes WAY down in that neighboorhood
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mtcountrygrl
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:35pmHere is the problem, this is freaky to people who are not used to seeing guns carried around. And these guys were just walking aimlessly around, it was not like they were going about daily business with a firearm strapped to their side. I would have called them in too, and probably kept my legal concealed firearm at hand until the police got there. This behavior was meant to draw attention and it did. I have been on my way hiking or hunting and walked into a public place with a firearm holstered at my side and no one called the police. Yes I live in Montana, but aside from that I was going about normal business and not behaving strangely. Walking aimlessly up public streets with 3 guns strapped to you, would draw suspicion from even this pro-gun mother.
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KILLACOMMIE4MOMMY
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:11pmOk I support them to the fullest…bbbuuuuuuttttt that dude look like a wierdo! Just saying, it was probably the OD Army Jacket, the crazy beard and the bright green earring….not the Mossy on his back!!!!
Sorry Obama but YOU do not speak for ALL of us!
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nancyslittlegoats
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:27pmThose people got it wrong he used 3 pistols not a semi rifle. And if more people cared , less likey a bad person would be shooting others ,
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ltb
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:44pmTarantulas (I hate spiders) and Leslie, I agree with you both.
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Sensible_Centrist_Democrat
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:10pmIsn’t there a difference between exercising your second amendment rights and walking around with AR-15 type weapons?
Who would not be scared seeing two people with what they perceive to be military-style weapons. If anything, I believe this hurts the cause of responsible gun owners. Moderate “mom and pop” voters with young kids may change their views on gun control legislation if more people openly carry assault rifles in downtown areas near their children.
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michaelmoron
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:13pmWhat is the Problem?
Paraniod anti-gun fanatics?
Yeah, THEY are the problem.
Check out this American Patriot taking an AR-15 to an Obama Rally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:19pmI applaud these guys for breaking the fear-bias mold by exercising their Constitutional right. We need MORE of this.
God Bless them !
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michaelmoron
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:20pmToo bad these guys weren’t walking around Sandy Hook when the tragedy occured.
They are law Abiding, so they would have not entered the “sitting duck zone”.
Who’s to blame for Sandy Hook ? The perpertrator AND our GOVERNMENT.
Remember, Your “government” slaughtered 21 innocent children in WACO.
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Soulfire1975
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:35pmWe need to do this more in states where it is legal. To normalize people to the real law and stop them from being scared, That is what this government does with TSA and all the other unlawful things. So we get use to being assaulted and having our rights stripped away
also to scare the hell out of criminals so there won’t be as much crime.
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michaelmoron
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:37pmI have been carrying without a permit (permission) for over 17 years now.
The second Amendment never said I had to get some bureaucrats permission. lol.
The International Banksters can go f#@k themselves !!!!
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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:18pmFrom the poll results it shows that a big chunk of people do not understand the 2nd Amendment.
To Keep means owns and To Bear means to carry.
The polls are scary. Go to Gunsite everyone there has to carry, from the Lunch Lady to the head instructor. What is good PR for gun owners? Do as the government say?
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ssiems
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:30pmIsn’t amazing that if (wanted) children who are killed at the age of five is a horrible tragedy but nothing is said about the (unwanted) hundreds of baby’s killed every day!
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:30pmwhere exactly does it say “in public” in the 2nd amendment? these two are idiots!
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michaelmoron
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:58pmYou wouldn’t think this poll was from a “conservative” website.
This wasn’t a HUFFPO survey ?????
What is the Matter with 61% of you ?
Did you not notice the part of the Article that stated “Police were called, but because Oregon state law permits the open carrying of firearms, the men WEREN’T BREAKING ANY LAWS ?????
100% LEGAL and almost 61% of the “conservatives” ( minus the 10% trolls =over 50%)
Have an ISSUE with this.
Why would 38% of you think someone who is 100% within thier right, is “asking for Trouble”?
I will tell you why. It is called Ideological subversion or active measures. (Brainwashing)
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escape_from_socialism
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:11pmI live in NJ, and I feel like I don’t live in America anymore.
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escape_from_socialism
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:15pmand those cops, nothing against them, except they are uniformed in black, like gestapo, and they are scared, cuz “sheeple” caring bigger guns, then theirs.
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13a
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:28pmI voted “Great. They’re acting lawfully and exercising their rights.” Personally, I would wear a suit and be clean cut if I were walking down the street with my rifle. I wouldn’t be dressed like I just came out of the army depot.
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13a
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:34pmESCAPE_FROM_SOCIALISM
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:15pm
and those cops, nothing against them, except they are uniformed in black, like gestapo, and they are scared, cuz “sheeple” caring bigger guns, then theirs.
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Actually the police officer in the video was very polite and reasonable. Did we see the same video? I saw a police officer but you saw the gestapo??
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ishka4me
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:16pmTo anybody who has worked in law enforcement; you know a few that would kick their own grandma in the jaw for a promotion or special assignment. Most cops are Vets, except the new breed . A message should inform cops of the history of guns, the real 2nd ammendment reasons and not the msnbc duck hunting philosophy. Let the Cops know that regular honest, law obeying gun owners will not tolerate cops, military or femacorps(obama nazi youth) taking guns. Most military know this and is probably the reason for the armed fema corps or obama youth nazzis.
This cop acted very professional for such a young guy. My bet he is a vet, not a new breeder.
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:08pmThe anti-gun agenda has worked overtime to change the nation’s view. When I grew up everybody had a rifle or shotgun mounted on their work vehicle to take care of business if a pack of coyotes was picking off your sheep herd or your prize calves. Drop your kids off at school no problem. Farmers & ranchers open carry of guns was not seen as a threat to the school. Because farmers & ranchers were not seen as a threat they were the backbone of the community. Now the community looks at farmers as uneducated hicks (not true) because the media & teachers portray them that way. It’s all about the message & this nation has been getting the wrong message for decades which now results in the current moral decay & people acting like peaceable people carrying guns is so disturbing to them.
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Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 12:31am“That’s not the purpose of the Second Amendment, to frighten citizens, …. And I don’t think there’s anyone who can argue, especially after the tragedy where so many children were killed – nobody can argue that it’s not scary to have people marauding around Sellwood with guns.” -TheBlaze article
“Officers said carrying firearms openly is legal in Oregon and carrying a concealed gun is legal with a valid license, according to the station. But doing one or both may generate 911 calls and possibly tie up resources that are needed for a real emergency. … The Portland Police Bureau, however, asks anyone who sees someone armed with guns to immediately call 911.” -FoxNews article
Liberals(commies) have stolen the conversation. Past time for American’s to take back the language, take back the conversation, take back our rights, take back America.
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dmerwin
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 1:26amVery scary in the land of patchouli and sand candles! As a child of Oregon I would encourage you to grow a pair.
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Maji
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 1:43amThe only problem I have is that they probably aren’t carring ammo!
That could be a problem if a gang banger wanted to take the guns.
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ShallNotBeInfringed
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 9:04amOne summer I walked into the train station in Zurich, Switzerland and stopped dead in my tracks when I saw a civilian getting off a train carrying a machine gun slung over his shoulder. A couple seconds later a second and then a third man appeared from different directions and nonchalantly went about their business with assault rifles slung on their shoulders and I realized that I was seeing members of the Swiss militia on their way to or from their usual training sessions. BTW, this American was the only one surprised by the sight, their countrymen didn’t look twice at the militia members or the sturmgewehre they carried.
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searcher619
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 4:16pmpoorrichard09:
What do you know about an AR-15? It’s just a rifle like all other rifles you can get. They make it LOOK like a military tactical weapons but they are FAR from it. They are no different from your basic hunting rifle. I bullet per trigger pull. The people who are all up in arms about the AR-15 haven’t’ a clue what it is. People like that ignorant Brit Piers Morgan seem to think it’s a fully automatic machine-gun. PLUS the number of people killed with long guns (rifles) is miniscule compared to the number of people killed with hand guns yet none of the idiotic anti-gun people making most of the noise are even mentioning hand guns.
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Spiritually_Distilled
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 5:46pmSounds Great – Lets prove a point even if it kills us!
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Scottscobig
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:08pmYou Beckies are probably 99% pro-2nd amendment.
Well, yippee-ki-yay. Aren’t we all?
Meanwhile, freedom is going down in flames. And a large portion of the blame is Beck et al’s rejection of truly classically liberal principles whose only, and now former, standard-bearer-politician was Ron Paul.
Ron Paul was just too radically liberal for Beck and all of you in Beck’s herd of sheep. And yet he and not one of you have refuted Ron Paul’s principles point by point. Same goes for Alex Jones. Talking of which. It’s time for the vertebrates among you to upgrade to real websites like infowars.com , lewrockwell.com , mises.org , epautos.com , tomwoods.com , garynorth.com , etc.
Come on, people. Evolve. It was fun to be a conservative for a while. But you see, freedom is freedom. You may not like someone. You may be scared by him. Doesn’t mean you get to attack him or force him to do anything or forcibly prevent him from doing anything. It’s called the non-aggression principle.
Many would agree with the above…on paper. But push comes to shove and each of you, including Beck, has a certain line he won’t cross into the realm of true liberty. You want to force people. You want to kill people, including civilian women and children, overseas who’ve never done anything to you or any American.
You want your govt to force people to do what you want them to do. After all is said and done, you don’t believe in freedom, not in practice.
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woodyee
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:12pmGo suck RonPauls hootch you troll…
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booger71
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:14pmYeah, I really had a lot of respect for Jones when he posted pics of so called gold foil wrapped fetuses he claimed were being eaten by the Build-A-Bobs
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BehindTheMouth
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:15pmScottscobig: Let’s see, if you do not agree with homosexuals your homophobic. You disagree with Obama your racist. You look at a women your sexist. See the problem with your liberal views?
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Fubared
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:18pmNice to hear a bot admit Paul is tooooo radically liberal. Does Jones not like to dine on babies while watching for chem trails? Sup wit dat? Eh, all kinds of crap on the net. Most peeps here seem to ultilize many vehicles for info and filter themselves. Don’t bogart the joint and let’s legalize marriage to barnyard critters huh?
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naughtycal
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:22pmYou mean liberatrian not liberal the liberal party is from bizzaro world were yes mean no and truthes means lies…….The only liberation the liberal party want to bring is to liberate you from independence.
Their liberty is government servitude,their freedom is government slavery,and millions can’t see it because millions of other are covering.
I always thought that man intellect had evovled pass that of the Germans that Hitler brainwashed to form the NAZI PARTY that those lesson of the past were tattooed on the minds of the present it turns out most have devovled into willful ignorance and would rather be obedeint government dogs to their elitist master. They would rather being guaranteed crumbs than have the ability to own loafs.
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justangry
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:46pmWoodeye, Has any of your Republicans came out publicly for the 2nd amendment since Sandy Hook? Just saying.
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John.Galt
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:54pmlol. YEAH, THE REAL REASON WE ARE LOSING OUR FREEDOMS IS GLENN!
YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT.
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k9k9321
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:57pmMost of these Neocons are not 2nd Amendment defenders. Oh sure, they think it’s ok to own a gun as long as you don’t let anyone see it. In fact, only 39% of the people who participated in this poll agreed that it’s a good idea to carry open. These schmucks are not that different from the MSNBC crowd.
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woodyee
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:22pmJust_Angry – I’m not a repub. As to the Repub party – can’t say. Are they laying low or has the media blacked out their comments?
But you – you’re just angry…
;-)
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:25pmIs there anyway to talk to you as a Ron Paul supporter with any kind of discussion in which the word “freedom” can also include “responsible behaviour?” “Freedom” is not a license to do what you want okay? It has parameters. I consider Ron Paul supporters to be Independents. Is that correct? Or is it Libertarians. Yet, I have seen in MANY Ron Paul supporters a kind of Liberty that is reckless. You want Liberty and Privacy, right? But you also want protection which involves knowing something personal. If I am to protect you I need to know some details about you. What would those be? I might need to know if you are a criminal. So I would do a background check. I might want to know if you are cooking meth in your kitchen. I might want to know if you are here legally or not. Yet, I find many Ron Paul supporters unwilling to bend on one inch of privacy. Liberty is not a license to do what you want. We have made commitments to some allies over the years. Should we abandon all those commitments? I think we need to revisit our commitments to our allies and friends in a fiscal way, I think we need a different discussion on freedom, Liberty and privacy. When I talk to my nephew who is a Ron Paul supporter I get nowhere. He is so insulting its weird. He is cheap too. He steals cable. Way too concerned about what everything costs. He is Narcissistic. It’s about him and his freedom and his privacy. Way too self involved. Selfish. Silas Marner cheap. Always counting HIS gold.
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LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:34pmI can’t wait when Ron Paul opens up his own media outlet and Glenn Beck loses more than half of his support. Beck is a fraud and so are you people that still follow him. He told me a year ago that even a frog could defeat Obama. Goes to show you how smart he is for picking Romney. And I love how you people label some one a troll. You made up some dumb word to try and make fun of people who comment? lol and I bet you think your smart by calling some one a troll.Now beck losers are crying about what is going on. Well blame your selves for listening to these so called Conservatives. You got fooled and you idiots will continue to be fooled because your just not smart enough.
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LibertyOrDeath12
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:36pmbooger71 – Big deal.. Jones talks about crazy stuff some times. Big deal. I can say Beck is a lunatic for being a Mormon. Magic Under wear? I can say he is just as nuts as Jones is.
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:48pm@shorelineliz – I don’t understand why Ron Paul people are so passionate and angry? Did you not see what they did to the Ron Paul movement during the Primary? They broke fingers, they threatened families, they blacked out Ron Paul on the media, Even conservative radio hosts disrespected him, CNN made up a ton of lies and tried setting him up plenty of times, Priebus and John B during the convention passed 3 rules that took away any chance for Ron Paul to win. They made sure Ron Paul delegates couldn’t show up at the convention by getting lost with the bus. Real election fraud was going on and proof of it. Maine still shows 0 in some counties. They tried hiding ballot boxes during delegate voting, they tried dumb tactics like shutting lights off, false delegations to fool Ron Paul people. I can keep going. You just don’t understand. Stop fighting with us. We are on the same side and you guys keep attacking Ron Paul. My gosh.. We just want the Constitution to be followed. And what is wrong with privacy? Some people want their privacy. Sorry that we don’t go around taking pictures and posting them on Facebook so the whole world can see. And you people don’t understand what Freedom really is about. Every man should have a right to do what ever they want as long as they don’t harm some one.
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woodyee
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:08pm‘But parents and others in the neighborhood were disturbed and upset by the display,”
Because this is how the schools, the media, and the government has INTENTIONALLY conditioned them to respond!
Here in California, if a kid points a finger, in the traditional form of a gun, he gets automatically suspended from school. There have been classes that have been evacuated because a kid drew a picture of a gun on paper. Heaven help the kid who points his finger and say “Bang!” If you’re driving and you point a “finger-gun” and it’s reported, the odds of a stop and search are very good. Kids rarely run around the neighborhood playing cowboys and indians anymore.
The schools, the media and the government have perpetuated a siege mentality. this is indisputable. Case in point – Peaceable armed men in uniform in Portland neighborhood – perfectly normal. Peaceable armed men NOT in uniform in Portland neighborhood – near-panic.
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kaydeebeau
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:18pmExactly – nudge – nudge
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Cavallo
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:30pmGood analysis, Woodyee.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:54pmWe are in many ways a gullible, Naive and Pollyanna society. I think we have for too long been sucked into a Norman Rockwell painting. We have so much crime in this country involving guns that when lawful gun owners have an accident or something goes wrong they get pounced on. Big time! I was raised with a handgun and rifle in my father’s house. We knew where these guns were located and where the bullets were too. But one thing was different. We FEARED our father. We knew we would get it big time if we messed with his stuff. We knew our place in the home as children. My parents were in charge. We weren’t. But now we have a society in which CRIME involving guns is being equated with gun ownership in its entirety. WE need to separate the CRIMINALS who are using guns illegally (75%) from the lawful gun owners (25%) who accidentally make mistakes with their guns or in a small percentage use them wrongly. And we need MENTAL HEALTH reform in this country. The New Town Shooting is a MENTAL HEALTH issue as well as a mother who did not have her guns secured and took a mentally ill young person to a shooting range. WE need firearm education and often in a broken/Divorced home in which there is a single mother raising a son we have “acting out” and those statistics are available. Alan Lanza’s Mom was worn out from him. I was a single mother. It is draining. I cannot imagine raising a mentally ill son by myself.
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jcldwl
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:06pmPerfectly legal. If that is what they want to do then do it. I personally prefer concealed for myself but open is fine by me for anyone that wants to legally do it.
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:57pmI know it is legal to do so. But remember the old saying, “Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you SHOULD.” I don’t think this was a good idea. There are other ways to make a point. We are not a society in which people walk around openly with rifles or assault weapons. We do have concealed handguns and handgun permits. My brother has one. That is okay. But, we are not a society who walks around with assault rifles. This was just stupid to do. Make your point some other way. Like help people get educated on firearms. Volunteer to patrol your kid’s school. Don’t just walk around town with rifles. That is not part of our culture. It alarms people. As it should.
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Hotconchick
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:07pmI think the culture depends on where you live.
Every time I have been to Arizona, Wyoming, Montana, Texas, – I see people carrying every where. It didn’t bother or alarm me in the least.
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MrKnowItAll
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:05pmWhat are the Odds this Guy get’s the Right Cop to show up? All the rest of them would have been ****** and arrested him for Public Disturbance.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:23pmThe Public Disturbance thing has been dealt with in courts and is no longer triggerable by simply open carrying. Come up to speed on the work us open carriers have been doing in courts across the nation, you might be quite surprised at how easy it is to open carry in your state (assuming you don’t live in a totalitarian hell hole). Most cops are trained now and leave you alone. I open carry nearly daily, never have any problems at all. The fear you cite is from 1997, not 2013.
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searcher619
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 4:27pmNothing wrong with carrying gun in the open in Oregon as the report stated. People like you make me laugh. The irrational fear of an inanimate object… Yet you don’t walk around the streets scared out of your mind that any one of the people you pass could be mentally unbalanced and carrying a knife to kill you with.
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jackact
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:05pmThis is a great idea and a legal way to herald our guaranteed 2nd amendment rights.
It will also infuriate, as Fred Armisen states, all ‘professional, unemployed coffe drinkers’ in Portlandia.
That’s a good thing.
Right in their own backyard.
:)
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Beachmastermax
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:05pmRemember when every pick-up had a gun rack and a rifle in the rear window? Those were the days!
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WillG
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:28pmMy Jeep does. Rifle and Shotgun. But Hell I am from TN. A lot of us still do.
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Wisdom7
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:41pmI was going to say that exact thing. You beat me to it.
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RaydocX
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:04pmMBE, your argument is ridiculous.
Winchester made a stunningly effective personal defense round in the early 90′s, called the Black Talon. The Revuhrund and Al and others raised hue and cry that it was too lethal, too dangerous, and WInchester removed it from the market.
People continued to die, the remaining rounds were priced as if they were gold, and a handful of years later the round reappeared, rebadged, and no one has said boo about it.
By your statement, all the manufacturers need do is change the model number and resume production.
Your side of the equation wants to ban the hammer. You may start, claiming you want to ban the percussion hammer, but there will still be hammers and when nails are still driven, the call will be to add the claw hammer, and the ball peen hammer to the banned list.
Thes men were NOT ‘brandishing’ their weapons. Were there a natural disaster, the same outraged father would welcome the protection offered against looters from his armed neighbor.
The EMOTIONAL over reaction that our politicians are perpetuating contributes to the irrational reaction to a slung, legally carried rifle.
And pretending you only want to ban ‘certain models’ of a firearm and so their PEACEFUL demonstration of their rights is incorrect is a weak argument. They could carry if there was no assault on the second amendment. And if you truly believe what you said, you are the one not doing your homework about what politicians want.
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scrapadapolis
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:03pmAnyone in the Solvay NY area that feels a need to do a walk around.Im up for my 2nd.
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randy
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:15pmI’m in Oswego, NY :)
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Redintheblue
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:24pmHey buddy Ithaca, NY I’m down for a walk
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subic
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:35pmRANDY, I went on a hunt up there a few years back a place near there. Got our hunting licenses in Schenevus, NY. My buddy and I got us a couple of big bucks. Snow up to our ass but it was nice.
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randy
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:28pmWouldn’t it be nice if there was a way for like minded blazers to be able to get in contact with eachother?
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Hoosierdad
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:02pmagree with the protest but these guys are dumbassess lol
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booger71
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:53pmWhy, they were carrying in a safe non threatening manner?
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Spiritually_Distilled
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 7:43pmI second the dumb-ass and raise you a knucklehead
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fuzzbling
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:02pmAmazing how ill informed the general public is in Portland and many of the other cities here. Once you get away from the city, the rest of the state if very pro-2nd. So much so, I would rate it right up there with Idaho and Montana.
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COFemale
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:01pmThe only issue I have is how do you know if these are good guys or bad guys with guns. I guess the best indicator a bad guy would not have the gun slung over his shoulder, but in his hands ready to fire.
Unless the public knows who they are, it could unsettle people and cause a mini panic. Also you don’t want some citizen panicking and bringing out their own gun and shoot at them. If you are going to do something like this, although perfectly legal, announce to the town in a flyer. Give them some warning.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:27pmWrong.
Holstered and slung is the law abiding person’s method of carry. The public needs to be educated, but that education needs to come from the police dispatcher to be effective. Handing out flyers means nothing.
I open carry. What you state are the normal fears of those who do not understand nor exercise their rights. The correct way to deal with this is education. These two men educated the public when the cops didn’t arrest them. That’s a good thing.
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1FreeVoice
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:33pmThe weapons were slung, not being “brandished about”, the behavior of the people involved should be a cue as to their dangerousness or lack thereof. No pointing guns = good, right? Gun safety, basic rules – don’t draw/point unless you intend to fire at your target. No alcohol and firearms. No waving guns randomly about. Please learn some basic observational skills.
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JediKnight
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:52pm********. They aren’t pointing their weapons. If you’re so afraid of a guy holding a gun slung over his shoulder, then you need help.
You can tell he’s a “good guy” because he’s not pointing his weapon at anybody. If you’re dumb enough to point your own weapon at him because you think he might be a bad guy, even though he’s not pointing his weapon or shooting at anyone, then you need help (mental help).
His finger is off the trigger. His rifle isn’t pointed at anyone. If he was a “bad guy” neither of those would be true. Bad guys do not walk around with rifles openly slung over their shoulders. They keep the rifles and pistols concealed until they’re ready to use them (remember Columbine? their shotguns were concealed under trenchcoats).
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JediKnight
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:54pmAdditionally, since I don’t have to give prior notice to go out on a street corner and speak my mind (freedom of speech), then no notice is needed for this either.
They are called rights. Not privileges. We don’t need to notify anyone or seek permission in order to use them.
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BoyScout_Mom
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:15pmIf the bad guys could see all the good guys walking around carrying, I bet crime would drop dramatically.
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Beachmastermax
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:01pmI like their spunk. But they better know where my property line is.
We carried air rifles around the neighborhood 24-7 when I was a kid. 22′s sometimes, when heading out into the fields. I do not remember any mass shootings back then. Maybe the TX university shooting, that is all.
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:59pmIf there is a poll link URL on the page then you must specify what script to allow to make it visible. I see no poll link.
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Hoosierdad
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:07pmwasnt there at first for me either. try refreshing your page. its above the second pic in this article
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:06pmI’m sure, “then you must specify what script to allow.”
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:59pmPerfectly acceptable and everybody who can should be doing it. I’m on record here for along time as being an Open Carry individual and advocate. If you can open carry, do so. Know your state’s laws and be able to recite them verbatim, and learn how to do so cooly while under pressure.
Everybody needs to be doing this.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:09pmIt’s called being an American. Stand tall and be proud of who you are. This should be happening by every one on a daily base’s from here on out.
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naughtycal
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:28pmActually State laws can jam you up but they can’t legally be held up as Constitutional. The second amendment not only guarantees the right to own arms it guarantees the right to bear them…Bearing is carrying…all gun laws are there for null and void.
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Cavallo
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:57pmHey Cronk, your weak sissy spineless pants wetting does not trump a natural human right. P!ss off!
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:57pmOpen carry has always been legal in Wisconsin and practiced here on my Island.
We have also used the Bible as source reading in our government public school. Our science class and teacher raised a chicken from the egg to kill, butcher and eat – much to the horror of the summer-resorters. SCROOM
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Tri-ox
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:57pmEveryone who can, should.
We must be vocal, and stand up for our rights, OR, be willing to sit in obama’s gulag, in silence.
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NHwinter
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:57pmI support their right, but if I saw someone walking around like they did it would make me extremely nervous.
KevINtampa – how do you know they are good men? Just by looking at them? Its just not a good idea to walk around like that. I am pro- gun, but use that right sensibly.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:03pmIf a firearm is holstered or slung over the back, and the individuals doing nothing but walking to buy a hot dog from a vendor, then any nervousness you feel is generated by your own unfamiliarity with liberty. No offense, but to presume bad intentions simply because a person sports a firearm shows that you’ve bought at least partly into the propaganda of the statists.
I open carry daily. The sheriff’s deputies don’t even give me a second glance these days, and everyplace I normally haunt finds the folks relaxed and used to seeing me. Open Carry creates familiarity with liberty, and with familiarity comes a loss of fear.
Lose your fear. :)
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NHwinter
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:12pmGhostOfJefferson – I usually agree with all your posts, and I certainly do not buy into ANYstatist ideas! But, this still makes me very uncomfortable. Perhaps people around you know you and are comfortable. There are too many nuts in the world now to be comfortable with people walking around with guns strapped to their backs. Sorry, this just doesn’t appeal to me.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:28pmCan you say Progressive Republican?
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Cavallo
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:28pmI’m never nervous around armed individuals because I usually am, myself, armed. Usually never as visibly as the men in the article though. Is your fear because you are unarmed and helpless? Is it an irrational Hoplophobic reaction? You should do some inner searching. Why are you nervous? You’re more likely to get hit by lightening than die in a mass shooting. You have more to fear from a car accident than a firearm. The nervousness you feel is objectively irrational, therefore a mild phobia. Likely nurtured and cultivated by a Statist media that want you afraid, want you to rely on only the State (police) to defend you. Break out of their enslavement.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:30pm@NHWinter
You do know that folks around my parts used to be equally as uncomfortable. Now they aren’t. Nobody is going to develop a comfort level if nobody exercises their rights. It’s only after you discover that the guy who says hi to you on the street, with a holstered sidearm, is a perfectly normal guy going about his day that it really internalizes.
We have to stop being afraid of freedom and seeing freedom displayed, if we’re going to get anywhere. The statists have pounded the propaganda of “civilian with gun is bad” into everybody’s head so hard that even good patriots like yourself are affected. I highly recommend researching the open carry movement. http://www.opencarry.com is a great place to start.
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:57pmIt’s not the ones you can see carrying a Gun that get you, it’s the ones you never see, till it’s too late.
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NHwinter
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:53pmcivilwarcometh – oh please! The word progressive makes me what to throw up. I feel uncomfortable with one thing and you label me a progressive Republican. Grow up.
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BoyScout_Mom
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:07pmAbsolutely, it’s not the ones you can SEE carrying you should worry about. It’s the ones you Can’t See you should worry about. And if the ones you Can’t See, could SEE the Ones you CAN SEE carrying… they would think twice about violating or committing crime…
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NicholasDL
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 9:45amThe populace has been deliberately conditioned to fear the sight of guns; you are a victim of this. Not long in the past the sight of a gun was common and considered an inalienable right. Over the decades the media and schools conditioned each generation to fear guns.
What do you think the purpose behind the schools punishing children for mentioning a gun achieves – that same conditioning Pavlov demonstrated.
Would anyone claim that the exercise of the 1st Amendment to religious freedom to be dangerous and “asking for trouble”?
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booger71
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:51pmUp until we got “civilized” it was common occurrence to see people in towns with guns on their sides or carry a rifle to go to the general store, pub, traveling. I see no problem with it, except for some highly excitable officer not understanding the 2nd Amendment injects him/herself into the mix.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:04pm“It’s completely ridiculous,” Bob Cronk said of Drouin and Boyce’s actions. “I think our right to a peaceful quiet school day comes before their right to brandish their rifles in a family-oriented neighborhood.”
The LAW is what matters. What you “think” isnt worth the morning bowel movement.
Eric Holder: Gun Owners Should ‘Cower’ in Shame Like Smokers
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2013/01/10/eric-holder-gun-owners-should-cower-shame-smokers
“In his remarks before the Woman’s National Democratic Club, broadcast by CSPAN 2, Holder said people should be ashamed to own guns, just the way that cigarette smokes now “cower outside of buildings” to smoke.
” Holder says anti-gun ads should run every day, and we need to “really brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way.”
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:50pmNobody wants to take away your guns,
The initiative is to prohibit future manufacture of several rifle models.
This protest is wrong.
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dosdelgados
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:54pmHi LizardBreath, how is exercising a natural right protected by the US and Oregon Constitution a protest?
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Cavallo
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:56pmLiar. The governor of NY publicly stated so. Lawmakers in Iowa. Other assorted fascist sycophants are on the oppression train and trying to feed the furnace.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:58pmYou’re wrong. Go to hell.
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seek.the.truth
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:59pmNot a protest. Its called exercising their rights as law-abiding legal gun-carrying citizens.
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JRook
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:00pmWe can only hope that in Oregon, like in Ohio, building owners and store owners have the right to restrict the possession of guns within their premises. That would of course be a reasonable exercise of their civil rights as the OWNER. The current debate in the US is sadly reflective of our continued de-evolution. While China, Japan, Germany, Sweden, Taiwan, etc. invest in and celebrate the training of high tech engineers, we celebrate the open carry of weapons. So when the Martians come they are going to report a primitive, uncivilized society that carries weapons and believes that the greatest power in the universe is a God, who made them in his image.
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booger71
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:01pmIt is not called the Bill of Wants or Needs, it is called the Bill of rights, and they may not be infringed.
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naughtycal
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:03pmMBE,
Not one inch can be given because once it is the federal government will take it all. You don’t atke away everyones rights because of the actions of every few. You want to start curfews,manditory searches,warrantless search of homes in areas with the highiest. Were you would be more likely to actually catch criminals…or violate the civil rights of the lawful law abiding in an attempt stop a criminal.
Yours and the liberal view is beyond assinine when it comes to politics…You attack a patriot act that tapped out of country phones call, and support and NDAA that expanded the patriot act to monitor cell phones,warrantl;ess siezure of private communication(email) suspended habeus corpus allowing U.S. all of their civil rights…Because Obama signed it find or at least not worth hurting the Democratic party by bringing it up.
Hypocracy of your is beyond measure and you words are empty and useless
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Beachmastermax
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:03pm@ DOS
Yes, jumping to such a conclusion, is a sanity issue.
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grimmster
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:05pm@maryhadalillamb aka encinom.
First, they werent protesting,second,they were withen their rights,third, if politicains had stayed of of the second amendment, this would be the norm, and no one in the neighbor hood would have been frightened, or upset.I wonder if any bad guys saw this,and thought “ah crap”…….
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Walkabout
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:07pm“The initiative is to prohibit future manufacture of several rifle models.”
Because they are painted black & are scary looking?
Because they have a pistol grip?
Because they have a bayonet lug?
The Diane Feinstein law of 1994 was that f/cking stupid.
Diane Feinstein was also the one who wanted to restrict the internet, Feinstein Amendment SP419.
Run away now MBE. You stated your opinion but you will not willingly discuss it.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:09pmJrook, you should move to China. You clearly don’t celebrate liberty, go be with your engineer friends and learn how to live in squalor while us primitives retain our rights, you traitor.
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woodyee
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:11pmSee what you did, MaryBeth? Got my friends all riled up! Have you got the ironing done? Are my socks in the warmer? Get busy, woman!
And don’t forget to take Scrappy for a walk…
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naughtycal
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:11pmI see the fascism of JROOK has made it appearance….So you have no problem with a denying a citizen their civil rights. Because you agree with it what if that same store owner refused to serve hispanics,or hire women,or banned gays. How about they requires people be well groomed,or forbit people from speaking other than to place an order(soup nazi) It’s amaze how close to the nazi party the democrats and liberals have become.
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Walkabout
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:14pmJRook
When was the last time you were in China, Japan, Germany, Sweden, or Taiwan?
They have problems there. They have mass protests against the system, growing crime problem, unemployment, etc. I wonder if you read more than The Blaze & some liberal house organs.
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19RANDY59
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:14pmMary, You are either a liar, idiot, or naive.
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booger71
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:19pmWhile China, Japan, Germany, Sweden, Taiwan, etc. invest in and celebrate the training of high tech engineers,
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Then why do China, and Taiwan especially continue to rip off American Technology?
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Walkabout
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:39pmGhostOfJefferson
I have seen squalor in Shanghai & Beijing.
Not too far from the city center in Shanghai I saw people living in a 2 story apartment building. I had not roof & was obviously in ruins. People were living there.
In Beijing I saw a 2 story standalone store. they type with the rollup metal doors to secure a store for the night. It was a shell of a building. I say about a 6 to a dozen in the top floor as the city bus I was on passed by. The people in the store looked hard / desperate. I would not wanted to have met them.
China is complicated. They have thousands of small riots & disturbances each year. And Jrook wants us to emulate them.
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Walkabout
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:20pmI am disappointed that JROOK did not respond.
Ya, those other countries are so much better than us. Ya right. Lie to me.
I have relatives in 3 of those countries you mentioned JROOK. Lie to me.
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00100111
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:24pmMary, we see right through you.
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dblaess
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:11pmWait till you see dear leader’s executive orders coming soon. There has been (and is) a pent up desire to take away all guns from citizens. You should be happy there is a Democrat in the White House so you can support this. Bet you wouldn’t is there was a Republican in the White House trying to take away all the guns.
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JRook
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:57pm@GhostOfJefferson As usual a well thought out response. You neither understand the point nor the issue. Well I understand an attempt to think beyond your ideological pathology and NRA talking points may produce a headache you should try it. Just start slow.
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JRook
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:03pm@naughtycal Oh so fascism is your ism word of the day for those who offer a different view. Let me make it clear champ your civil rights end at the tip of my nose, cause that’s where mine begin. I’ll try and go slow here so you can keep up. Asking someone to leave their firearm outside a building or establishment has nothing to do with not serving them. It has to do with the owner of the building or establishment exercising their civil rights. Do you have a problem with restaurants requiring a shirt and tie, or banning people from smoking. Stay on the issue, present a well thought out and adult point. And save you school yard name calling for the other children here.
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JRook
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:14pm@Walkabout Your point is that you either chose not to read what I said or cannot follow it. Of course they have problems, although as we both know significantly less violent crime per capita than the US. My point is of course what we seem to be increasingly focused on in this country. Are you really going to tell me that candidates like Christine O’donnell, Sharon Angle and Sarah Palin are not indicative of de-evolution. I’m pretty sure that a bible in one hand and a gun in the other won’t help our economy or level of citizenship.
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Nancys Red Diaper Doper Babies
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:52pm“While China, Japan, Germany, Sweden, Taiwan, etc. invest in and celebrate the training of high tech engineers, we celebrate the open carry of weapons.”
Our celebration of our right to bear arms is not what’s hindering out development of bright minds. Our celebration of participation awards, our celebrationg of teachers no longer being able to fail students and celebration of liberal arts degrees is what’s putting us behind the curve.
“So when the Martians come they are going to report a primitive, uncivilized society that carries weapons and believes that the greatest power in the universe is a God, who made them in his image.”
Personally, I’m not worried about what the Martians think. Perhaps an AR-15 slung around everyone’s shoulder would make them think twice before trying to tread on us since I doubt any Martians are coming peacefully.
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Nancys Red Diaper Doper Babies
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:56pm“I’m pretty sure that a bible in one hand and a gun in the other won’t help our economy or level of citizenship.”
Actually gun and ammo sales have been a relative boost to our current pathetic economy. How exactly is taking our guns and bibles going to help the economy?
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Walkabout
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:16pmJRook
“My point is of course what we seem to be increasingly focused on in this country. Are you really going to tell me that candidates like Christine O’donnell, Sharon Angle and Sarah Palin are not indicative of de-evolution”
Let’s see the Democrats & de-evolition. There was the one that was worried that if we stationed too many troops in Guam they might tip over the island.
There is Nancy Pelosi who said we have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.
There is Nancy Pelosi who said that her favorite word was “THE WORD”. That was her lame attempt to get religious voters.
And the list goes on.
You probably believe Sarah Palin said she had foreign policy experience because she could see Russian from her house.
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Anadara
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:07pm@ Marybeth You must not be very bright. These liberal clowns don’t care about anybodies kids. They are bent on completely disarming the American public and their plan is to do it just like they did it in Canada, Australia, and Great Britain. A step at time. The first step is vilification and fanning Hoplophobia. Second step is registration and restriction. Third step collection, and the final step is a complete moratorium and ban. …That’s how it always goes.
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naughtycal
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 11:49amThanks for proving my point there fascist ROOK.
My civil rights end with what you decide could that be a more fascist statement.
Let me tell you what comrad my rights are my rights me having a gun will serve no other purpose than to protect innocent people even a fascist that would attempt to deny me my rights. I’ve read your crap before seems you have no problem with fascist like yourself when they ban smoking and remove the business owners rights to decide. But I guess thats because you’re anti-smoking just like you’re anti-AMERICAN.
And your fascist rule stops at the end of your nose right where the end of Americas fist begins.
You want fascism socialism or what ever Centralized society controling system there are country with those things already in place
Let thoise change rest lightly upon and let history forget you were ever a citizen in afree nation
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 4:02pm@Jrook
My point was concise and aimed directly at your love affair with other nations. If you prefer disarmed, serfs to the government but by golly, they can do calculus, then go there. If you prefer individual rights, where by the way we also do calculus, then stay here. I’m not going to get into lengthy word games with you, since your entire point of being here is to derail conversation and to twist words and meanings. I’ll speak directly to your point, and no more. If you don’t like it, you’re free to not read my posts. If you want pithy word play where meaning and syntax are plastic and interchangeable, find somebody else more gullible to deal with, because I’m through dealing with your kind. There is no debate at this point. You’re wrong, I’m not going to argue with you about it, and I will oppose ever effort your kind makes to disarm us. Clear, chief?
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mrja
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:48pmnice accessories, very fashionable. I should carry ;-)
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KevINtampa
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:48pmI would think that after the tragic shooting in Newton it would be welcomed to see good men armed in public.
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00100111
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:36pmLiving in NC, this state is unlicensed open carry. I exercise that right as often as I feel like it. No one bats an eye at me, even if they notice. I get the occasional smile and nod, the occasional handshake. I’ve even even had some sheriff’s deputies give me a nod from time to time right before they start asking me how I like my Kimber Custom TLE II. Some range invites. A lot of “HEY! ME TOO!”.
I always feel better when I see someone else around carrying. Just the mere presence of a properly carried or slung firearm deters crime. If someone thinks they “Can just come up and take it” from me…try doing that to a cop, see how that works out. It’d be the same here.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:43pm@00100111
Same here. Some cops wave, others smile and tip the hat. The only face to face with a cop I’ve had in the last year was in South Dakota, at the Mount Rusmore monument. The officer motioned me over (I was porting my Glock 21 in its custom holster). He motioned towards the Glock, smiled, and said “Sir, just a friendly reminder, you can’t take that into the Federal buildings. Have a nice day!” and that was it. The way it should be.
It’s shocking how few supposedly “liberty loving” folk actually understand that a right un-exercised is a right denied. If fear stops you from carrying, then turn in your firearms, because they are useless and will only be used by bad guys when they find where you’ve, predictably, hidden them.
So many cowards these days. It’s shocking we have any liberty left at all, when those who crow on about liberty are too scared to actually indulge in liberty.
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dosdelgados
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:48pmHey Bob Cronk,I don’t see your to a “peaceful school day” protected by the Constitution. I DO see the right of these gentlemen to carry their firearms protected by both the US and Oregon Constitutions.
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dosdelgados
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:55pmShould say, *your right to*
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The-Monk
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:45pmI used to walk around my neighborhood with a Remington 241A starting at age 13.
And that was in Northern Va…. just outside of Washington, DC !!!
Even took it to my 9th grade wood shop to refinish the stock.
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naughtycal
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:53pmI ported my Remington 870 in metal shop in a southren Va. school as a teenager, Back then you either kept in your car until had metal shop.Or you left in the principles office if you did have a trunk.
It was the damniest think everyone had guns and no one shot other people. Back when common sense ruled and PC was a personal computer.
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booger71
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:59pmI went to school from 1959-1971 in a town of about 120k (not a rural town by any meanns). From about the 3ed grade on just about every boy had a knife in his pocket, many trucks (including teachers) had gun-racks in the back of their pickups, In shop class we could learn to build a re-curved bow, or some guys learned to make a working single shot shotgun. I would go to a public lake nearby with a fishing rod and a .22 strapped to the back of my bike. No one gave me a second look, because it was normal. I think it all started because the mothers started reading that idiot Dr. Spock book.
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War_Eagle
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:02pmNot only did I make a gun case and a gun cabinet in my high school wood shop, in our metal shop, we even built a working miniature cannon.
If I did that today, I’d be expelled, arrested, and placed under psychiatric evaluation. But back then, we understood the difference between evil men and morally neutral tools used by evil men for an evil purpose and building gun related things was just part of learning your craft.
One of the momentos I have of my dad is his high school yearbook. In it, he is featured in a picture shooting a rifle with the school principal in a field behind the school. Not only would the boys bring their rifles to school to hunt on the way home, they even had school sponsored shooting teams.
Today, every child must be taught self-esteem, but not the difference between evil men and morally neutral tools.
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NinjaJuice
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:14pmWe had a project to make a survivor knife that was 12″ long in metal shop in jr. high. Sadly you can’t even draw a picture of a knife in school now a days.
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Cadisasterrelief
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:08pmI know. I was 11 in the 70s and we used to take our .22s to school once a month to participate in a safety/shooting program after school. We would leave our rifles in the Principle’s office and retrieve them after the last period. This was in Reedley, CA and I have owned MANY firearms since and guess what????….I have never shot anyone. Go figure.
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naughtycal
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 12:30pmHeck we had the NRA come once a year to teach hunter safety courses.
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miller721108
Posted on January 11, 2013 at 2:00pmDuring high school (back in the 80′s) one of the most anticipated times of the year for a number of us was the first day of deer hunting season. It was a big deal in the rural community in which I grew up. It was commonplace to bring your boots, gear and firearms with you that morning, stowing them all away in our cars and trucks. It was easier to scoot out right a lunch time and head straght for the woods. Oddly, we often forgot to report back after lunch :) The teachers knew about it, as did the administration. Some of them even took a half day off so they could enjoy the first day of the season, too. That behavior was normal back then and I cannot recall any incident of a firearm mishandling on the grounds or attempted theft of the weapons. That level of societal comfort with firearms has been beaten out of far too many people.
Imagine today if a group of friends wanted to go hunting after school and they brought in their arms with them to be stowed in the prinipal’s office (something we were allowed to do if we so chose). It’d cause all kinds of panic. Different times and different states of the public’s mind.
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