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Pastor Louie Giglio Withdraws From Obama Inauguration Following Furor Over Past Sermon About Gays

Jan. 10, 2013 11:41am Billy Hallowell

Pastor Louie Giglio made headlines numerous times over the past few weeks with his Passion 2013 Christian conference and, subsequently, the announcement that he would be delivering the benediction at President Barack Obama’s Jan 21. inauguration. It is this latter development that sent some progressive and gay rights groups into a tailspin after left-leaning blogs discovered a controversial sermon the preacher once gave about sin and homosexuality.

Pastor Louie Giglio Withdraws From Obama Inauguration Over Gay Comments

Pastor Louie Giglio (Photo Credit: 268Generation.com)

The reaction to Giglio’s past statements was so intense that the pastor has now officially withdrawn from the event. In a statement issued after he alerted the White House and the Presidential Inaugural Committee that he will no longer be participating, Giglio said that he was honored to be selected — but that he feels compelled to step aside. Here’s the statement in its entirety:

I am honored to be invited by the President to give the benediction at the upcoming inaugural on January 21. Though the President and I do not agree on every issue, we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.

Due to a message of mine that has surfaced from 15-20 years ago, it is likely that my participation, and the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration. Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ.

Neither I, nor our team, feel it best serves the core message and goals we are seeking to accomplish to be in a fight on an issue not of our choosing, thus I respectfully withdraw my acceptance of the President’s invitation. I will continue to pray regularly for the President, and urge the nation to do so. I will most certainly pray for him on Inauguration Day.

Our nation is deeply divided and hurting, and more than ever need God’s grace and mercy in our time of need.

This explanation came after numerous outlets ran stories about the sermon. ThinkProgress (TP) offered one of the more comprehensive coverages of the message, claiming that it appeared to be from the mid-1990s. The outlet dubbed Giglio’s sermon, entitled, “In Search of a Standard – Christian Response to Homosexuality,” as “vehemently anti-gay.”

Here are some of the tidbits that TP transcribed from the sermon (these two quotes focus on the notion that homosexuality is a sin):

(9:20) [God] says very clearly in [Leviticus], verse 22, after he talks about a lot of different kinds of relationships, he says in verse 22: “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female. It is an abomination.” Now if you would look forward into the New Testament context, to the passage that most of us know most commonly with this issue, into chapter one of the book of Romans, let’s read a few verses together beginning in verse 18. If you’re taking notes tonight, you might make this the note of Leviticus 20:13 and the book of Jude, we won’t look at those passages but there is some support and encouragement there to this topic.

(17:37) Men, women, I can’t say anything other to you tonight than this, that if you look at the counsel of the word of God, Old Testament, New Testament, you come quickly to the conclusion that homosexuality is not an alternate lifestyle… homosexuality is not just a sexual preference homosexuality is not gay, but homosexuality is sin. It is sin in the eyes of God, and it is sin according to the word of God. You come to only one conclusion: homosexuality is less than God’s best for his creation. It is less than God’s best for us and everything in our lives that is less than God’s best for us and his plan for us and his design for us, is sin. That’s God’s voice. If you want to hear God’s voice, that is his voice to this issue of homosexuality. It is not ambiguous and unclear. It is very clear.

You can listen to the sermon here. It was discovered on a web site that lists pastoral messages.

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Comments (169)

Freedomlover_US
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:55pm
Do away with the whole inauguration prayer – all it serves to do is divide people. No way the people who elected Obama would wanna see this fool in front of the whole country. In 2013, we don’t need someone spouting bronze age mythical nonsense in front of the entire world.

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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:59pm
  When you become President, you can do whatever you want at your Inauguration. Until then, what should you care.
  
  And for those uninformed that say “because I am paying for it with my taxes”, actually, most Inaugurations, save the security, are paid for by the party of the President, his campaign fund, and private donors that want special seats up next to the President on Jan 20th.
  
  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_pays_for_the_inauguration_of_US_Presidents
  
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- searcher619
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:00pm
  It only alienates the stupid. Fact is the vast majority of the US population is religious. PLUS it acknowledges the basic Christian foundation of American values.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:04pm
  “The United States is in no way a Christian nation” – Thomas Jefferson
  “Lighthouses are more useful than churches” – Benjamin Franklin
  
  The great minds of the founding fathers were much more influenced by enlightenment era thinkers like Locke and Hume than by churches.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:22pm
  Gays, atheists, agnostics, followers of religious groups like Islam and other cults do not have an open and tolerant mind. They don’t know truth and therefore don’t know any better, then what they espouse.
  
  They can’t bring clear and sense making arguments to the table. Have you not noticed that they all talk in “talking points” and when that doesn’t work they go to name calling? (mystical figure) I do not mean this to be an insult to their intelligence. Some of them might actually be quite intelligent. However, all of them lack wisdom. Wisdom comes from God and when one denies the existence of God it is impossible to acquire wisdom.
  
  They really don’t know any better. They don’t have an independent and free mind never mind an independent thought. They have swallowed the propaganda of the left.
  
  The more I hear or read things coming from the left the more I am able to understand what Jesus meant when He said in John 8 “If you hold to my teachings, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free”.
  
  People who do not know Jesus, who is Truth itself, don’t even know of the existence of truth. This denial of Christ has locked their brain. Knowing this, makes it easier to forgive people in general. Jesus also said, as He hung on the cross in Luke 23 “Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”. That includes ignorance. Without truth ignorant people don’t even have a choice. That i
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:48pm
  @LEOPOLD
  
  You say atheists use talking points……and then you use talking points.
  
  I can’t help but laugh when religious people of any faith say, “they don’t know the TRUTH”
  
  Seriously, it grows old.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:05pm
  @ moderation
  
  You go right ahead and laugh. It confirms exactly what I said.
  
  All ignorant people laugh when they don’t know what to say. That is nothing but a defense.
  
  It is right there with talking point and name calling.
  
  Thank you for making my point clear.
  Pretending to laugh is just a defense when one has been
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:11pm
  Freedom, that is a vapid rule you live by, whereby those who have beliefs different than you, are worthy of whatever namecalling you can vomit. As you age, I hope you gain at least a little wisdom and tolerance.
  
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- shorelineliz
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:19pm
  Why don’t we get rid of the entire inauguration all together? It is a waste of money and time. It is self glorification anyway. What is Obama some kind of Caesar? The whole inauguration process makes me puke. Give us a break man! Take all the money you would have spent on your crappy self adulation and give it to poor people. Most of them live in D.C. and they could use the cash.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:26pm
  Hmmm, apparently Freedom has never read “A Letter Concerning Toleration” written by John Locke. Well, maybe he did read it, but if so he surely did not understand it.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:38pm
  @ Spark
  
  You do not know what you are talking about.
  
  Do you know that Christians accept gays as persons, just not their gayness? However, they do not accept my point of view and me as a person. So who is intolerant.
  I actually gave lodging to a homosexual.
  I am prepared to hide a Muslim who is homosexual, or any other gay man or woman in my home, if and when the fanatics want to kill them. Even at the cost of my life.
  
  I owe this to Christ, who took my sin on Himself and died for me, and the homosexual, whom He happens to love just as much as me, a follower of Christ.
  
  If giving my life for a stranger can save the stranger from God’s judgment, which is coming, by showing him that Christ loves him and will forgive him, if he would only ask, my life and my death had a purpose way beyond I could ever have hoped for.
  
  I hope you feel the same.
  
  By the way Christ did this for you as well. It is yours all you need to do is accept this gift.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:45pm
  Leopold, you either don’t know who you are talking to, or else you have just made a mistake. I’m guessing its both.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:53pm
  @ moderation
  
  My comment to Spark is for you as well.
  
  I wonder, how far you would go to defend and protect a homosexual, because of his homosexuality.
  
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- Winghunter
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:17pm
  Lets read about the ‘Bronze age’:
  
  Fall of Roman Empire caused by ‘contagion of homosexuality’ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8438210/Fall-of-Roman-Empire-caused-by-contagion-of-homosexuality.html
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:17pm
  Leopold, my comment is only for you. Address it at the peril of admitting your error, or disregard it to remain comfortable in your mistake. Only you, God, and me are aware of it, and I don’t know where you live, so don’t feel pressured to do what is right.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:38pm
  Leopold. So you are saying that you accept gay people as people just not their gayness? So you dont accept them? What are you saying because you contradicted yourself quite nicely there.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:41pm
  Leopold, thans for doing what is right, both to me and to others. There is a great freedom in Christ, and I commend you for sharing His love and understanding with others. We often shoot the messenger instead of the message, out of our failure to listen and even more, to hear.
  
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- searcher619
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:16pm
  Freedomlover_US:
  
  What a load. Read just the first few lines of the Declaration of Independence:
  
  “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
  
  We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
  
  Th fact that they reference God and Creator tells you religion had a BIG influence on them and how they viewed the world and how things should be.
  
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- charjoobean
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:46pm
  “The United States is in no way a Christian nation” – Thomas Jefferson
  
  I’m guessing you took that quote from the treaty that atheists like to wave around. Read the whole treaty. Its intent and purpose is saying we, the United States, will not engage in a war over theological differences because we are founded on the the principle of freedom of religion. Our government is not a “Christian” government and does not go to war in order to further the goal of any religion including Christianity. That is completely inline with their very biblical beliefs and pursuit of freedom. And Benjamin Franklin, although not a believer, was very much for the values that are taught in the Bible. He is right to say that lighthouses are probably more useful than churches, especially since some churches are not doing what their purpose is. If they were, we wouldn’t be in the mess we find ourselves in. In order to have a true libertarian/freedom/limited gov’t, the population has to be moral and ethical, otherwise the people will use their God-given freedom to trample on the rights of others.
  
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- rochrealtor
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:04pm
  Freed you are 100% incorrect in your view on the founders. Don’t spew your obvious ignorance when you haven’t read a page of history.
  
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- rochrealtor
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:09pm
  Inauguration is to show the world that the baton is being passed and freedom is alive (although with this jerk i9n office that is tough to swallow…no pun intended!)
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:19pm
  Thers no way you can use a preacher that has read Romans1 – Ch 1 – Ver 26-32. Here is a man that reads & acts on what the Lord says. They need to get one of those preachers that hollers for 1/2 hr about “Jesus loves you” OVER & OVER. Beware of those that never open the Bible and never give book, chapter & verse.
  
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- CathyvanDyke
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:29pm
  Leopold
  
  Allen West: When tolerance becomes a one way street it leads to cultural suicide.
  
  Allen West accuses FBI of “cultural suicide”
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeasiTFbvbQ
  
  LTC Allen West on Illegal Immigration
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmn0mFV7xFs
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:50pm
  @ LEOPOLD
  
  I don’t know you but I do know MOD. His high moral, atheistic principles compel him to anonymously bash Christians every opportunity he gets. Of course, he celebrates Christmas and has many Christian friends whom he tolerates their ignorance. He even fancies himself more knowledgeable than William Lane Craig.
  
  MOD actually spends his time here to hone his debating skills. He is well indoctrinated in the liberal agenda. I caution you to not waste much time engaging in his verbal sparring. Spend your time in prayer for him instead.
  
  Onward my Christian brother soldier! Your promised rewards are great.
  
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- superduper
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:06pm
  Yes, lets read about the Bronze age….Rome was so perverted sexually that Emperors were known to be insane. Sexually transmitted diseases were rampant, and children were horribly abused sexually because people did not control their sexual appetites. There are consequences for going outside of God’s boundaries for sexuality. Amazing….sexually transmitted diseases only happen when you go outside of a monogomous heterosexual marriage.
  
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- avgconservative
  Posted on January 11, 2013 at 3:07am
  Freedom_lover – I guess the freedom you love is taking contextual quotes and using them as you please. Before I embarrass you for what you have done, why don’t you just go away.
  
  The greatest tool the left has is a particularly ingenious way of lying. To the uninformed and intellectually lazy person, you are his friend. To those of us who know your type, you are the definition of evil and a mimic of your father, Satan.
  
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- old white guy
  Posted on January 11, 2013 at 8:00am
  i don’t know why any honest man would even want to be seen with obama let alone offer up a prayer in support of the liar.
  
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- may40
  Posted on January 11, 2013 at 9:05am
  It’s quite obvious that you are a libertarian. Therefore, there is no sense arguing with you over whether or not we are a Christian nation or not or what is sin but I will say this, that you look around and nature shouts that there is a Creator. You have free will to choose not to believe, God gave that choice to you, but mark my words there will come a day when you will stand before God give an account for your life. Each one of us will. If we choose not to accept the free gift of salvation of Christ’s death and resurrection then you have sealed your doom. NONE of us is “good” enough for Heaven. I implore that you ask God “to reveal Himself to you” and I promise your life will be changed forever.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 10:18pm
  Hey Searcher – the load is what you David Barton people believe. Deists believed in a “creator” – nothing about “creator” necessitates the Christian God. No one is saying they were all atheists, but this country, no matter how many random quotes you find, was not founded to be a Christian nation. It was a secular (meaning showing no preference for any one religion, not atheist) nation.
  
  Revisionist history like barton peddles doesn’t seek truth; for them, the message, not the facts, are important.
  
  What the country was founded to be was one where a President doesn’t have to answer to any wing nuts accusing him of not being a “true” (i.e. strictly adhering to an Evangelical interpretation) Christian. There is nothing at all unAmerican about reading a part of the Bible (and there are MANY), saying “this is absurd, barbaric, immoral” and saying we want nothing to do with it. Like the whole stoning adulterers, hating gays, regulating slavery nonsense most of the civilized world has left in the stone age, where it belongs.
  
  Some founders were religious. Some weren’t. What they created was a secular nation, not one where Christianity was to have special privileges. Fact of the matter is, it’s 2013; if you still think the Bible is the ultimate source of moral teaching, you need to read more.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 10:24pm
  @Leopold,
  
  I read the entire Bible cover to cover, and considered arguments against it. That’s keeping an open mind. To say anyone who doesn’t think exactly like you is closed minded – that’s not only the ultimate for of closed mindedness, it’s incredibly arrogant. I’m sure you’ll dismiss this as a talking point or whatnot; go find me this talking point somewhere out there.
  
  I’m also guessing you know exactly zero homosexual people. Wisdom comes from life experience, not reading stone age books over and over again and wrapping your worldview around it. I’m sure you feel lucky though, having been born in a Christian family and not Iran or North Korea, where you would never find truth and as such perish in Hell for eternity.
  
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searcher619
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:51pm
Gay groups are idiots. Christianity does not approve of homosexuality. Not in any way. At all. Period. Get over it and move along!

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:00pm
  We have, that’s why we don’t want your pastors at the inauguration.
  
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- Grace1798
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:10pm
  Lev: 20:13 If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
  1 Cor 6:9-10: ”
  9 Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,10) Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.
  Romans 1:27 And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another—men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own [d]bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution. They see these Scriptures and IGNORE them or curse them to suit their own idea of the god they have made to fit into their sinful lives. You really think this changes God’s laws? NO WAY. Everyone of us will face God someday and have to give account. No one gets off this earth without facing GOD folks, yea, the God who gave us His Word.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:31pm
  Freedom, what’s with this “we,” are you a one who practices homosexual acts? Is that the basis of your hatred of God?
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:07pm
  @ Sparky,
  
  Sorry, it looks like I did not get the message you send to freedom.
  
  Thank you for correcting me.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:34pm
  Leopold, I accept your apology. I believe I made a mistake once too. Many believers (myself included) must grow in the Lord daily, and look back constantly to realize how pooly we knew yesterday what Christ is trying to tell us, and how badly we’ve screwed it up. Doing so convinces me of how very much I need Christ’s love, and how very far I am from giving that to others. Thank you for trying to wake me, and for holding me accountable to Gos’s Word.
  
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- searcher619
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:23pm
  Freedomlover_US:
  
  Whats’ this “We” and “Your” stuff? you are making 2 very huge assumptions. First, you are assuming you speak for all homosexual Americans. You do not. second, you are assuming I am religious or am a Christian. Wrong on both. I am an agnostic. I have not found Jesus nor am I looking. Do you hear ME crying about how we should trash a part of our tradition? No you don’t. Why? Because I acknowledge the fact that I am in the minority and I am fine with it. Having a religious figure present at the swearing in or them even saying a pryer in no way does me harm. I suggest you grow the hell up and practice ‘Live and let live.’ You will be far less of a miserable person if you do. the world does not revolve around you and a simple prayer shouldn’t be removed to make YOU feel more comfortable.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:18pm
  Sparky
  
  Thank you for your kind words. I was way to hasty when I read your comment. And so missed where you are coming from.
  
  Nice talking to you.
  God bless you
  
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- charles116
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:13pm
  This is a multi cultural society. YOU move along.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:07pm
  Searcher, by “WE” I mean the people who elected Obama. By “YOU” I mean the people who would have backward bronze age texts run how we do things in the 21st century. I’m not miserable and I’m not trying to get rid of all religion in society; I do believe that making such broad misguided statements about a minority group is grounds for disqualification to speak at such an event.
  
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Touche Turtle
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:51pm
Let me see if I have this straight: The Rev. Louie Giglio, the Atlanta pastor of Passion City Church, was asked to give the benediction at the POTUS’ inauguration on Jan 21. THEN his “politically correctness” was questioned because of a sermon he gave in the 1990′s regarding homosexuality being a sin, quoting directly from Bible verses in Leviticus. And if you read his “gracious withdrawal” above, you will note that apparently after meeting the POTUS, he now says that, “we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms,” and one has to wonder EXACTLY what that has to do with his sermon on homosexuality! His former politically INCORRECT view of homosexuality is apparently no longer valid or true because he has changed the focus of his Christian message: “Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ.”

Now I have to tell you, I am an educated person, and I cannot tell you EXACTLY what that last sentence means but it seems to be that after meeting the POTUS where he experienced a “come to Jesus moment” about NOW becoming politically correct so he no longer focuses on the particular parts of the Bible which are not aligned with this administration! “Make much of Jesus Christ”? Boy, that is a preacher doing the two-step shuffle at its best!! Nice

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- pll
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:01pm
  Excellent post.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:08pm
  @ Turtle
  
  lol. Med Obama and had his “coming to Jesus moment”.
  
  Hilarious
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:21pm
  One cannot negotiate with Satan. I pray Louis returns to his Root! I have no doubt he learned a most valuable lesson in all of this. I am glad Louis won’t step further into the Lion’s Den. He learned the same lesson Rick Warren learned four years ago.
  
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Grace1798
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:49pm
Pray for God to open the eyes of the lost because neither you nor I would want to be in their place when they have to stand before a VERY ANGRY GOD. You know from what I speak according to Scripture that the lost SEE and REJECT as they have also rejected God and made for themselves a god to suit themselves.

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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:59pm
  Why would an all powerful deity possibly get angry over what we do? If he is all powerful, why not just forgive people, or better yet, not have an eternal hell to send them to? Doesn’t seem very loving at all. The whole thing seems pretty ridiculous.
  
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- wingnut1955
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:35pm
  @ Freedomlover The all Powerful God could make us worship Him and obey Him. But He prefers to have us come to Him and worship Him of our own free will. Alter all He scarified His only Son to satisfy His law and give us a way to be with Him. If we choose to not accept this free offer why shouldn’t He be angry and send up to the worst punishment He can create. A place that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:04pm
  Freedom, it appears to me, from your statements on this thread, that it is you that is unloving. You do not possess wisdom, and hence prove the truth of scripture to those who have read it. God is far from unloving, he even loves those who hate him, even you. He proved that in the way he gave you the means to obtain forgiveness for all the bad things you have done or said to others. He will not “send” you anywhere, you are “sending” yourself. Where you end up is your responsibility, your choice. I believe that you will end up in a cesspool of unloving people just like yourself, angry and mean people that will make your eternity the Hell you envision. It will be they who pick at your sores and keep you in pain, just like they have tried to do here on earth, only there you will not have loving people to help you. They will all be together somewhere else.
  
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- meltzen
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:55pm
  Freedom… To clear something up, either you really don’t understand scriptures or the purpose of why God created us. God never created He ll to punish us, it was created for lucifer and the fallen angels (demons) who went against God.
  
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- Freedomlover_US
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:01pm
  To the people trying to “get” me on this post, let me assure you that I have read the entire Bible cover to cover. Not as often as many of you I will admit, but every passage at least once. I studied the Bible in the religious high school I went to. I read it, considered it, and moved away from Christianity because I was unmoved. I consider it far more likely aliens will abduct me and make me the king of their galaxy then I will eventually burn in hell for coming to this thoughtful conclusion.
  
  I don’t hate religious people, but when people talking about banning homosexual marriage because of their beliefs, because they find it against their religion, that it should be forced upon everyone in the country. Why does your group get the right to declare homosexuality immoral when the majority of the country disagrees? Why do we have to worry about your feelings when you are trying to disparage a group of people who, like it or not, were BORN that way?
  
  In conclusion – if God created everything, what created God? Why couldn’t that same force create the universe but not a God? Throwing God into the answer seems to violate Occam’s Razor.
  
  And just for the record, I think this Giglio guy is a decent person who has done wonderful work and deserves respect, even if his views on gay people do not.
  
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Dushman Kush
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:44pm
Let’s hope our Leader chooses an old Marine to give the Benediction. The Reverend Jeremiah Wright should have been his first pick.

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:52pm
  Please God, pick Jeremiah Wright. Then I might watch that train-wreck.
  
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- HollyRye
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:46pm
  Gotta agree. The only way I’ll watch is if Reverend Wright is there. I’ll sit back with my popcorn and soda and watch the show!
  
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- CathyvanDyke
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:10pm
  … or Jeremiah Wright’s friend Louis Farrakhan – Nation of Islam
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/flashback-louis-farrakhan-jeremiah-wright-foster-gaddafi-alliance/
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rev-wright-backs-farrakhan-during-anti-violence-church-sermon-you-cant-tell-me-who-my-friend-is/
  
  REMINDER:
  
  [Sûrah al-A`râf: 80-81]
  Allah says: “We also (sent) Lût: he said to his people: “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds”
  
  [Sunan al-Tirmidhî]
  “Whomever you find doing the act of Lût’s nation, then kill both parties.”
  
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- DontTreadOnTEA
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:07pm
  Agree – Reverend Wright would be a good choice. Obama never heard anything controversial in those sermons.
  
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kadster01
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:40pm
“Though the President and I do not agree on every issue, we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.”

Never mind whatever Giglio said about gays. The above quote stood out to me, and calls Giglio’s intellect into question. Obama is making slaves of all of us. Those of us who work AND those of us who don’t. We, our children, their children, and God knows how many more generations will suffer because of his rampant spending, Obamacare, and all his other socialistic policies!

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- Touche Turtle
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:54pm
  Perhaps the Rev is going to get a “kickback” of some sort by avoiding joining in the fray!!!
  
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- Cavy2see
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:35pm
  Beware of false prophets is all I say…that is why our country is such a mess…when one person doesn’t like what is going on at their church…they change their religion…they don’t like rules period…the same goes for people who don’t like our Constitution…they want to change it…this pastor we don’t know too much about him from the article…so I cannot say much about that …I have to learn more…but I know we are driven into slavery when we do welfare for generations…sad as it is our nation is on it’s way out…no one wants to really change from lazy life styles…I am too old to do work now…but I pray for my grandchildren…I am a Catholic always will be…I love God, Jesus…Holy Spirit…and all the named saints and the ones who suffer for the love of all of us…I don’t like to harm anyone but it is a sin to have love making with same sex…nothing wrong with being gay…but acting it out is sin…only childlike people rebell and make awful comments….but one day we will all have to answer to the Man who fed the fish to the 5,000…
  
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girlnurse
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:27pm
How bout Ephesians 5:11?
“Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them”.

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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:01pm
  We can’t expect gays, atheists, agnostics, followers of religious groups like Islam and other cults to have an open and tolerant mind. They don’t know truth and therefore don’t know any better, then what they espouse.
  
  They can’t bring clear and sense making arguments to the table. Have you not noticed that they all talk in “talking points” and when that doesn’t work they go to name calling? I do not mean this to be an insult to their intelligence. Some of them might actually be quite intelligent. However, all of them lack wisdom. Wisdom comes from God and when one denies the existence of God it is impossible to acquire wisdom.
  
  They really don’t know any better. They don’t have an independent and free mind and without that one is not free to develop ones OWN thoughts.
  
  The more I hear or read things coming from the left the more I am able to understand what Jesus meant when He said in John 8 “If you hold to my teachings, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free”.
  
  People who do not know Jesus, who is Truth itself, do not know the truth. This denial of Christ unfortunately has locked their brain. Knowing this, makes it easier to forgive people in general. Because Jesus also said, while hanging on the cross in Luke 23 “Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”. That includes ignorance. Without truth ignorant people don’t even have a choice. That is sad.
  
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Trapper20
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:26pm
So they are now looking for a pastor who does not believe the word of God?

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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:37pm
  Do you have any idea how many pastors do not believe in God, never mind His Word.
  
  Many become Pastors to destroy the Church from within. Others see it as a career opportunity. Very unfortunately, some even become Pastors to have access to boy.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:45pm
  Sounds about right Trapper,
  Obama wants a RINO Religious in name only pastor…maybe he should get an episcopalian.
  Fact is if any Catholic preist gave a sermon in support of Obama they’re supporting more just simple gay marriage,they’re supporting late term abortion and even the termination of children that survive abortion……Talk about going to he77 in a hand basket, they certain would be.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:55pm
  I read recently that only 64% of SEMINARY STUDENTS believe in the virgin birth.
  
  That should tell you all you need to know about how the Bible correctly predicted the falling away from the faith in the last days.
  
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Chuck Stein
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:25pm
O.K., he said “homosexuality is not just a sexual preference homosexuality is not gay, but homosexuality is sin.” What did I miss? I see nothing against “gays” — only about what God has instructed humanity (in the Bible) as regards homosexual BEHAVIOR. Hate the sin but love the sinner, right? Seems that some sinners identify so much with their sin that criticism of the sin is tantamount to criticism of them, though.

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- Cherbear
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:43pm
  Well put. I’m so sick of all of it; the beat goes on and on and on and on!
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:56pm
  Chuck
  You are right. I have known several “gay” men and women in my life, some that were VERY involved in the church I was attending at the time, and they had ZERO problems with the teaching of the pastor or the Bible as it came to homosexual behavior. They understood that being gay was not the problem but engaging in the act of homosexual sex was the problem, just like any sex outside of the man-woman marriage set down by God in Genesis was the problem.
  I have even suspected, though never asked, that certain pastors and priests from churches I have attending over my life were gay. They get perfectly valid sermons on the institution of marriage and sex outside of marriage being a sin without ever bringing up their own sexuality.
  
  I view homosexual sex the same as pre-marital sex, this is something that God will address with you at the time of your judgement. It is up to God to decide, even without the “official” marriage ceremony, if the two people were bound together as one body and soul as He describes in the Bible. Adam and Eve didn’t have a certificate or a judge or rings exchanged. But that is neither here nor there for this discussion.
  
  You can be gay and attracted to the same sex and CHOOSE to never act physically on those feelings and still be perfectly sinless in the eyes of God on this issue.
  
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thibx
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:18pm
if one stands for the word of God i don’t know how they could have anything to do with oboma. oboma is hell bound and trying to take the rest of the country with him.

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am123
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:17pm
The Bible is not politically correct. Hence, the God-less in our society cannot stand for the truth of God’s Word to be declared in the public square. For the light has come into the world, but men love the darkness rather than the light, and men shun the light because their deeds are evil.

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- girlnurse
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:25pm
  PERFECT verse! Thanks!
  
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- JRook
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:46pm
  After the supreme arrogance of those who proclaim their religion to be the only true religion and the only one that reflects God’s presence and word is the arrogance of “followers” who reflect their own ideology and beliefs with a prioritization of sin. Of course I’m sure there aren’t any good Christians committing sins on a regular basis. Let’s face it, the world would be dramatically better off if just the individuals who cite verses would just practice the Golden Rule. Of course that is a tad harder than reciting the bible and feeling that you are a member of the chosen flock.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:56pm
  @ JROOK
  
  Hi, I’m selling a point. It seems you are in need of one…..
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:39pm
  Rook, exactly what, other than condemn others, do you do to help the poor among us? You say alot, but do you actually “do” anything?
  
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- ozchambers
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:47pm
  How dare he preach what God says about a topic as socially relevant to our society today as homosexuality??
  
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Patriot760
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:17pm
Isn’t there a book out about Obumber being bisexual?

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Grace1798
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:16pm
Well, as for us, we will be praying for Obama. We will be praying God remove him from power once and for all time. That is our daily prayer.

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- Touche Turtle
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:57pm
  Be careful what you pray for: After Obama, “Bite-Me Biden” is next in line!!!
  
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girlnurse
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:06pm
In other words..the gays made him cowar in fear. It would have been a perfect opportunity for him to say: “God has bigger fish to fry, and people to love and care for, rather than to focus on who the heathen lay down with”

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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:01pm
  What bigger fish does God have to fry? Those that you deem bigger? If God knows when a sparrow falls from the sky, I’m pretty sure He can multi-task. Actually, mans constant rebellion against Him is probably pretty high on His attention list.
  
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AvengerK
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:06pm
You do see where this is going right?

As I and many others have said…as the homosexual lobby (Gay Inc.) gets more and more confident that their goal to appear normal is succeeding they will target all areas of resistance to their fantasy. One’s own thoughts on the legitimacy of their case is irrelevent to them. You either think as they do, or shut up, or suffer the consequences.

They are a very cruel and spiteful group of people who will work relentlessly- using their “jamming” tactic- to “shame” anyone not participating in their fantasy into silence or oblivion. They do this already I have no reason to believe they will stop. This policy goes for the church also. If homosexual marriage is recognized at the federal level, their campaign will not stop there. They will use “discrimination” to litigate or protest churches and their enterprises that don’t cooperate- either into silence or acquiescing to their agenda if they offer any resistance. This of course is the true infringement of others’ protected rights but the spiteful left and their allies in Gay Inc. don’t care about that.

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- barber2
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:30pm
  AVENGE: You read this correctly. The Alinskites, with their law degrees, will ” use the law degrees” and the Discrimination Card ( like they have done in housing, education, etc.) to “change” America. That includes changing the Christian basis for the rights and the dignity of the individual over the state in our founding father’s constitution, etc. Get ready. Big Brother is in the White House and his Chicago radicals are ready to ” fundamentally change ” America – which may be the only honest thing these radicals have ever openly admitted !
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:59pm
  My brother is bigger than me. I was shocked when he admonished me for loudly and publicly referring to two guys, kissing right in front of ‘us’ ( a large group of tourists – young and old) at an overlook at the Grand Canyon – “Bunch of F@qs!”
  
  “Um, Woodyee, you shouldn’t do that – that’s, that’s dangerous.”
  “Woodyee’s brother, wtf-are you talking about! The reason they did it is because they’ve never been admonished for it! You got little kids – is this what you want them to see and pass on to them as normal behavior?”
  “But Woodyee, you can’t do that back home.”
  “Erahh, Woddyee’s brother, the h3ll you say!”
  
  Woddyee’s brother lives in New york City…
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:15pm
  Great minds think alike. And apparently you turds do as well. Praise jesus. Let him come down and kill all the gays/libs/feminists. You clowns are a joke but cant seem to realize that you are the punchline.
  
  What would you do if one of children came out and told you they were gay?
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:35pm
  NO_COHERENTTHOUGHT…Jesus is not in the genocide business..that’s what you humanists do in places like Stalin’s Russia, Cambodia, Hitler’s Germany, Mao’s China…why China still has gulags.
  Jesus in fact is in the redemption business. You seem to think everyone is in the same business you lefties are in. And thank you for reiterating my point that Gay Inc and it’s enablers are spiteful, hateful people. I know..you couldn’t help yourself.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:26pm
  I know where it’s headed AK, to a national acceptance of the Bible as “hate speech”. Christianity will be labeled an “extremist philosophy” and Christians will all be lumped in with the Westboro Baptist neanderthals in the American psyche. Not in our lifetime, but it’s coming.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:30pm
  And you seem to think that jesus is the answer to justify your bigotry. If you were just ignorant instead of a coward hiding behind your book you would at least have an ounce of integrity. But instead you ise an outdated book to preach your hate.
  
  Hi. I am kettle.
  You must be black.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:10pm
  Is English your first language LITTLE_THOUGHT?
  
  I’ve haven’t invoked the bible at all for my caution about homosexuality.
  
  I invoke the nature of homosexuals themselves.
  
  Over 60% of new cases of HIV each year in this country are attributed to homosexuals. Homosexuals make up less than 2% of the population. That’s an over-representation of more than 2000%. By all means SQUANDERED_THOUGHT…tell me what’s normal and acceptable about those numbers that I should believe homosexuality is no danger to anyone?
  
  Or how about the “superbug” strain of drug resistant gonorrhea?
  
  “While the superbug hasn’t yet been detected in the USA, “it is likely a matter of time” before drug-resistant gonorrhea spreads here as well, says Susan Philip, director of STD prevention and control services at the San Francisco Department of Public Health. Doctors are already seeing the beginnings of drug resistance on the West Coast, especially in gay and bisexual men, Philip says.”
  What did Dr Philip say again STUNTED_THOUGHT? especially in who again? Why are they more at risk of this UNCLEAR_THOUGHT?
  
  Enjoy:
  
  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/93960.php
  
  You mewling cretin. You’re nothing but the doltish, indoctrinated puppet of a dysfunctional ideology called liberalism and you have the hide to take me on in an intellectual discussion? You came poorly equipped moron.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:12pm
  They’re already trying to do that GONZO. Liberalism/Statism suffers no dissent.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:18pm
  and by the way GARBAGE FOR_THOUGHT…I’m quoting the center for disease control, not the gospels for my numbers. Do you believe that the CDC is an outdated book as well perhaps? LOL.
  
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Metallicat
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:04pm
yes,its perfectly acceptable to have a pastor who demonizes white Americans and America in general,but dont dare bring a pastor who recognizes that gays are contradictions to Gods plan for mankind.

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Nicki123
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:00pm
I have to say I am sick of all these pastors, priests etc that associate themselves with the dem party…for goodness sake they didn’t even want GOD in their presidential convention.

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HollyRye
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:57am
I’m very disappointed in Pastor Louie Giglio’s attempt to distance himself from something said 15-20 years ago. Did the Bible change in that time?
“Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. I”

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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:19pm
  He got into the lime light, the spot light. He likes it there, he likes the adoration, the fame. It requires one to change their position to what the masses want.. if they want Barabbas, he gives them Barabbas.
  
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- LimitedLiabilityUser
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:20pm
  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers – 2 Timothy 4:3.
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:56am
This so-called “pastor” is a buffoon for agreeing with Satan’s spawn to “a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.”, when it’s slavery on a scale never before seen that Obammy promotes, and for caving to the pressures brought to bear by an elitist cabal of demonic Satan-worshippors.

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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:15pm
  Jesus went among the tax collectors. Jesus castigated the merchants at the temple during Passover. Jesus was not afraid to go among the vipers and bring the word to them. But what Jesus never did was back down as this pastor has done.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:26pm
  Actually jesus did back down. Not once did he or his apostles fight back. Seems pretty weak for a guy that could cure leprosy and turn water into wine? Couldnt he just turn their blood into water, thus killing them? Could he not stand up to the injustice and hate? No. He folded. Gave up. Packed it in. Bent over and took one up the dirt pipe. Let them do whatever they wanted. Sounds like a real fighter to me. All those magical powers and he let them have their way with him. Where i come from we call that being a coward. So he runs all over telling people to follow his word because it is the word of god etc. then when the going gets tough he bails on his own principles.
  
  By the way. When is my homie jesus coming back? Thought he would have made an appearance by now.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:09pm
  Free, you are apparently missing the point, as evidenced by your extremely screwed up intrepretation of the few scriptures that someone has related to you. However, since you are still breathing, there is a chance you might get it right. Unfotunately, I sense you are consumed by hatred that can prevent you from opening your mind. It is that hatred that will prevent you from obtaining he happiness you seek.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 3:25pm
  The only people i dont like are arrogant holy rollers such as your self and the superhero avengerk. Line for line you see just as much barbarianism and murder death and destruction and hypocracy in the qur’an as you do in the bible. Whats the difference? Why is their book worse than yours? Because you believe in yours more? Hard core bible thumpers like yourself are a punchline.
  
  I equate the rise in atheism with a rise in intellectualism as well. People are getting smarter Nd questioning the utter nonsense written on those pages. And thankfully we have people like you and the other jesus humpers to show is how mindblowingly narrow minded you all are. We look at that an laugh to ourselves. If it were not for you guys, you might have more in your fold but when we see it written in the bible to live eachother and treat eachother with dignity and respect and then flip the page to see the opposite written… Well just thanks is what i am saying. It is your ilk that made me an atheist and i owe you a sincere thank you.
  
  So thank you spanky and avengerk.
  
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- meltzen
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:09pm
  Free thought…. Main reason why Jesus never fought back was… At that time many people were looking for someone to overthrow the Romans….. Jesus was never sent and was not to die to over throw the kingdom of that time… But bring salvation to the soul. To save us from sin that we brought onto ourselves back in the garden. Everyone has sinned and fall short but God made a way to reconcile us back to where we once were. We don’t glorify sin. Sin is sin no sin is greater than another sin.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:38pm
  Free, you are not free. You are obviously bound hand and foot to your deep hatred and intolerance. I’m guessing you have never read the Quran or the Bible, as you seem to have little knowledge of what is written in either of them. I’m also guessing that you have no believers in your small circle of friends. Actually, i’m pretty sure of both.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 4:54pm
  I hold no hatred. But i do hold onto intolerance for bible thumpers ignorance. Being gay is not a choice but ignorance is. So you chose to be ignorant. Thats fine.
  
  I am an atheist. I cannot tolerate religious rhetoric and am biased towards you people and the vomitting up quotes from the “good” book you all love to do. I feel you thumpers are a waste of skin. A relic from the old days that should be in a museum somewhere. “This is how stupid people were back in the early 2000′s.”
  
  This is how we compare. I am definitely not a fan of the jesus. And i think his devout followers are disgusting and rancid. That makes me bigotted towards you and the other jesus humpers. You are bigotted towards non believers, gays, muslims, liberals etc. But therein lies the difference. I will outwardly say that i detest you and all that you stand for. You say the same things about me. The difference is that i dont hide behind a book written about some magician and his overbearing father to justify myself and actions. Nut up man. Just hate gays for being gay. Hate libs for being libs. But dont hide your bigotry behind a 2000 year old book to justify it. Just be your ignorant self. At least you would be respectable.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:16pm
  Let me impersonate “Free.” Words of hatred and extreme intolerance, blah, blah, blah, more words of hatred and extreme intolerance, Blah, blah, blah, and even more words of hatred and intolerance, Blah, blah, (puts fingers in ears and yells “I can’t hear you.”), and more hatred and more intolerance.” Free justifies all of his name calling and hatred by spewing even more of his hatred and intolerance. What has he really said? He’s judged me without knowing me. He’s called down his legions of haters and evildoers to try to deflect what I’ve said, and in the process has proven exactly what I have said: he is not free. He is bound by his hatred. He believes his hatred trumps all other hatred. Haters do that. He brings nothing of substance to his argument, just calls people names and cannot tolerate that they are not haters like him. Love could change his views, but there is little love in such a black heart.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:24pm
  Im guessing by the 101 at the end of your name you are still a freshman. Not to worry homeboy. You will grow up and be a graduate some day. I never said i dont hate. I will admit to all of my faults. Can you? After reading you post you seem to be quite spiteful as well. But jesus and god will forgive you. Not to worry.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:30pm
  By all means NO-COHERENTTHOUGHT…if homosexuality is not a “choice” then show me the genetic pointer to homosexuality please.
  
  It’s not a “choice” but it is a psychological state if it’s not..then again..please direct me to the genetic pointer to homosexuality. Surely by now the “born this way” crowd have got the genetic evidence for their case? Yes?
  
  Good luck…..
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:48pm
  Good golly, now we see that Free lies like his “messiah” Obama. Not three posts apart he first says “I hold no hatred.” and then says “I never said i dont hate.” My momma called this “lying.” She said that was a sin. Apparently, according to my Momma, Free is a liar or a sinner. I’m betting he is both. I never trusted liars, they lack integrity.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:03pm
  Really NO_COHERENTTHOUGHT? Jesus backed down? I’m assuming you mean the events of his arrest, passion, crucifixion and resurrection?
  Your little rant sounds just like what the devil said to Jesus as he tried to tempt him “you can do all these things..call the angels to help you, all this is yours if you do as I say”.
  
  Let’s see…he knew he was to be betrayed, humiliated, tortured and killed by the people he was sent to redeem by his death and resurrection and even after begging his father in a moment of fear to “let this cup” pass from him, he faced his assailants to accomplish his purpose. He allowed himself to be arrested, humiliated, viciously scourged and tortured and remained silent while his accusers demanded he speak up on his own behalf. Pilate passed him along to Herod finding no fault with him and using Jesus’ place of birth as an excuse to send him to Herod’s jurisdiction. Herod sent him back to Pilate, Pilate, to quell the mob had him tortured and executed…and Jesus allowed this to happen because this was the path he already knew he was destined to take to accomplish his work. He was sent to do a job that he knew ended in pain and death for him and he did it while forgiving his assailants even while on the cross that they nailed him to and telling his own mother to look on his glory while on that cross and you call this “backing down”? You’d have told Pilate and Herod anything they wanted to hear to save your wothless hide you mewling
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:06pm
  Not to worry dear reader, in his very next sentence (after lying to make a counterclaim) Free says “I will admit to all of my faults.” While we are waiting for this long list, let me point out a few things. Free has made quite a number of claims about me that are untrue. That’s the way judgemental people are. They will try to denigrate honest people with lies. Doesn’t matter to them, they answer to no one. They can say one thing, then say the opposite. When it is pointed out to them, they change the subject, or accuse you of something unrelated as if it is somehow equal. Watch closely, I expect our friend “Free” will do just this. And if he does in fact give us a list of his faults, can you trust him? He has already lied once to us today (that we know of).
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 6:21pm
  By the way NO_COHERENTTHOUGHT..in the depths of your ignorance…try “barbarism”, not “barbarianism” you dolt.
  
  You bleated about a supposed rise in “intellectualism” (I’m assuming of course that you believe yourself to be part of this “rising intellectualism”? Yes?), yet you let your mask slip and showed yourself to be the ignoramus you really are. You make this too easy champ.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 9:46pm
  Keep swinging ladies.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 10:52pm
  “Free meets my expectation.” When I pointed out that he was lying to us (using his exact words), he resorts again to infantile name calling. His other lie is where he says he owns up to his faults. As I said Liars lack integrity and cannot be trusted. “Free” proves this.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 11, 2013 at 4:18am
  @ Free
  
  You are one poor soul. You come across as a very vicious person.
  
  You are in great need of redemption. Your heart and your soul are lost. Stuck in the darkness.
  
  Remember it is your choice
  
  But with Christ it is never too late.
  
  Remember the thief on the cross. He got in at the very last second.
  
  Once we leave this world the decision of where we end up has been written.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 11, 2013 at 11:53am
  That’s the way GARBAGEFOR_THOUGHT…come back late in the evening and pretend to be tough while ignoring the thread directly above this one where I handed you your a$$. Nice try clownshoes.
  Did you at least learn not to use “barbarianism” again? Idiot LOL.
  
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kickagrandma
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:54am
I was shocked that Giglio was going to participate since this administration is so anti-CHRIST. I am glad he is not participating, but I wish he had had the courage to say “No thanks” on his own.

THE BIBLE vs. the way the world is going.
THE BIBLE vs. this administration.
THE BIBLE vs. congressional folks.
THE BIBLE vs. “societal norms”.
TRUTH vs. darkness.

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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:29pm
  Glenn is actually the Anti-Christ. Not the administration. If you can show me where obama took away any of YOUR rights i would love to see it.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 5:04pm
  Free, Obama voted in favor of letting unwanted children, born in spite of an attempt to kill them, die by not allowing them to be covered with blankets and withholding all forms of nutrition. Our Declaration of Independence speaks of rights given us by our Creator, specifically Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is the Right to Life that Obama has voted to take away. That’s just one, but other’s are just over the horizon. Obama believes our Constitution is faulted, and he believes his ideas are better. He doesn’t believe in taking into account the feelings or opinions of others, just those who think like him. That you are much like him is no suprise to me. Elitism and arrogance go hand-in-hand.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:50pm
  @ Free
  
  Scientific thinking.
  
  Before there was anything there was nothing.
  
  Then it (nothing) exploded.
  
  After that “it” somehow organized itself into planets and stars.
  
  The genius, that calls itself evolution then had an idea.
  
  It arranged the planets and stars in an extraordinary way.
  
  Thank God, oops! I mean thank evolution, that it thought about putting a moon and a sun and all the other heavenly bodies in just the right position to make life on earth possible.
  
  The miracle of evolution was that somehow a body of water managed to collect itself in different places. That gave evolution more choice from which to start life.
  
  It stirred the waters of the deep and tried and tried to bring forth LIFE.
  
  And then somehow it succeeded. There was a cell!
  
  Evolution somehow made sure there was enough light and air for this cell to develop.
  
  This cell somehow divided itself into all kinds of different cells.
  
  The cell changed itself over and over again until it was able to somehow crawl out of the water.
  
  As it continued to develop it left some other cells behind which then somehow turned into plants.
  
  From a blade of grass to a rose. From one original cell. Amazing!
  
  Now through this process other cells were left behind to become bushes and trees. From one original cell. Amazing!
  
  We are not exactly sure when this split between bushes and trees happened. But the evidence that it did is all around us.
  
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- Leopold
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:52pm
  @ free
  Part 2
  Other cells turned into fish, dinosaurs, horses, elephants, mice, birds, fleas, giraffes, dogs, apes, etc.
  And then, I can hardly contain my joy, man and woman came to be Yep, it did that. All from one original cell. Amazing!
  
  Now we don’t know exactly how many apes and monkeys were deformed, and then later humans and failed to survive
  
  When did evolution figure it out that two legs of the same length and two arms are better the one short leg without a foot
  
  How many times did evolution fail to get the eye, or the stomach right
  
  Never mind this thing called feelings
  
  How many people must have bled to death when injured, because the function that stops bleeding today, was not well developed
  
  How many died before the body had the ability to built anti-bodies to certain things
  
  Can you even begin to appreciate the time it took for one man and one woman to be able to produce a child?
  
  I mean really, it is genius
  
  Over time the peni$ was long enough to reach into the woman’s fagina to mingle with her eggs.
  
  Only evolution knows how the eggs came to be. All from one original cell. Amazing
  
  And when or why did evolution stop? I haven’t heard of anything that crawled out of water to become something, lately
  
  Well, there you have it, evolution: The survival of the fittest
  
  I am sure one day evolution will explain all this. After all the fact that we exist is proof of that it happened
  
  Why oh why are we Christians so stuborn, to not bel
  
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The-Monk
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:54am
Oh come on Obama…. get it over with and invite Rev. (never is) Wright.

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Nicki123
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:53am
Pastor was Ok with dem agenda where hundreds of thousands of babies were killed via abortions…But he said a bad word about gays…and he was thrown out…So gays is new minority the dems want to protect.

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- Stoic one
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:04pm
  “So gays is new minority the dems want to protect.”
  
  I think that would be the new minority he wants to promote.
  His Chicago nickname is, after all, ‘Bathhouse Barry’
  
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Pig_Eater
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:51am
Looks like the gay and liberal bullies win agan.

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- CatB
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:58am
  New book
  
  Bullies: How the Left’s Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences Americans
  
  http://www.amazon.com/Bullies-Culture-Intimidation-Silences-Americans/dp/1476709998/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=18C77LQFLKCNC&coliid=I16WKCUHJK82Y1
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:12pm
  The answer to this “bullying” is very simple. Don’t be shamed into silence as this pastor was. Don’t play their game by their rules. How many times does this have to be said?
  
  The more you laugh off their assaults the more they’ll get frustrated and over-play their hand, they always do like when they attacked an old woman in California- hitting her, spitting on her and trampling her bible merely because she exercised her right to free speech before them. Gay Inc. in particular is a very cruel and spiteful component of the American left. You take away their “power” by laughing at them and making them rabid and unhinged. The media won’t show the ugly aspects of Gay Inc and homosexuality..you have to let Gay Inc. react so that their true nature can’t be ignored by the media.
  
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:46am
Maybe he could get Roseanne Barr and Rosie O Donnell to do it instead. Obama would have all the bases covered then, crazy, socialist, Gay, liberal, and the athiest crowd.

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- The-Monk
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 12:09pm
  Hi Darmok,
  
  And each one could hold one of the two Bibles.
  
  Er…. I mean, 1 Bible and 1 Qur’an.
  
  They’ll have to flip a coin because both will call dibs holding the Qur’an.
  
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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 1:14pm
  Hey Monk:
  
  Don’t forget the Wickens, there will have to be a granola bar in there too.
  
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- charles116
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 8:08pm
  Ye shall reap what ye shall sow.
  
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IndyGuy
Posted on January 10, 2013 at 11:45am
“”Though the President and I do not agree on every issue, we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.”"

Bull crap…Obama is enslaving us ALL except for him and his cronies…That’s the way Marxism works…

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- shorelineliz
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:26pm
  Slavery in its basic form involves a master and a submissive one. What could be more enslaving than one man behind another man dominating his body? What could be more enslaving than sex of this nature? What could be more enslaving than one arbitrary law after another by the Obama Administration bypassing Congress and rule of Constitutional Law? Pastor Louie Giglio is back peddling big time in his remarks. Stand up for what you believe pastor and own it! I can’t stand this milquetoast crap!
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 2:57pm
  I would consider hangin out with you enslaving. Does that count?
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on January 10, 2013 at 7:14pm
  SLUGGISH_INTHOUGHT..you have to take your shoes and socks off to count don’t you little guy?
  
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