White House Responds to All of Those Secession Petitions: There’s No Right to Secede
AP
The Obama administration on Friday responded to the wave of secession petitions that spread online following the November election, preaching unity over division and saying there’s no right to secede.
“In a nation of 300 million people — each with their own set of deeply-held beliefs — democracy can be noisy and controversial. And that’s a good thing. Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted,” wrote Jon Carson, director of the Office of Public Engagement.
“But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don’t let that debate tear us apart,” he said.
More than two dozen states from all corners of the country filed online White House petitions after President Barack Obama’s victory over Gov. Mitt Romney, calling for the government to allow them to secede. Carson’s letter was filed in response to requests from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, all of which garnered the necessary 25,000 signatures. It was also a response to a petition to deport those who had signed petitions to secede in the first place.
Carson said the Founding Fathers enshrined in the Constitution the right to change the national government at the ballot box, but not the right to secede.
“[T]hey did not provide a right to walk away from it,” he continued. “As President Abraham Lincoln explained in his first inaugural address in 1861, ‘in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual.’ In the years that followed, more than 600,000 Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States.”
After the Civil War ended, Carson said, the Supreme Court held that “[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.”
“So let’s be clear,” he concluded. “No one disputes that our country faces big challenges, and the recent election followed a vigorous debate about how they should be addressed. As President Obama said the night he won re-election, ‘We may have battled fiercely, but it’s only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future.’ Whether it’s figuring out how to strengthen our economy, reduce our deficit in a responsible way, or protect our country, we will need to work together — and hear from one another — in order to find the best way to move forward.”
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Comments (658)
DadRocked
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:37amAnd now whitehouse.gov has 357,809 name/signatures, ISPs and whatever other info that you 357,809 have voluntarily supplied whitehouse.gov of disgruntled Americans.
Why not just stand in line and have your pictures taken too?
I know, I know that they have been and will continue to keep track.
That they are following emails and all other electronic data BUT…
Why volunteer it…?
Quite a few out there don’t want them to know you, your weapons, etc., and yet sign a ‘whitehouse.gov’ petition?
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:48amMao did the same thing and killed millions and Barrys a Marxist/communist just like Mao was a heathen communist. I don’t see any reason to make it easy for the regime to engage in their tyrannical rule over us either,it’s foolish to sign it.
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DadRocked
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:51amCONCUR Mr. Slayer
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DadRocked
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:58amIf / When it hits the fan, I for one will play cautious.
My government clothed me, fed me, trained me, issued weapons to me and trained me some more.
Couple of lessons still stay with me:
1) Expect The Unexpected
2) Need To Know Basis
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mercenary4freedom
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:02pmobmama’s america…RED ALERT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSVEJs4wCAE
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DadRocked
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:07pmSanDiegoCountyCitizen – I understand your point and living on a military base counts and doesn’t to my post.
But there are a lot of naive folks out there that, after the fact, wonder how people zeroed in on them.
Good guys and bad…
Soft example; license plate “DEBSCAR”
“Hello Deb!” “Do I know you?” “Time has passed since we met…”
You get my point SD Co Cit…
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:10pmMr or Mr DADROCKED,
This is what you must know:
Conservatives are too stupid to look out for their own interests.
It is so.
b.mclane
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:10pmWhat planet do you live on? Signing a petition does nothing the Govt thugs don’t already have. If you are EVER on-line they have a record of where you are, your server, your passwords and all user names PLUS EVERY BLOODY THING YOU EVER WROTE AS A COMMENT. You just showed us all what a coward you are. Hiding behind your computer are you? Too wimpy to sign a petition you know is the right thing to do? This is how the Liberal thugs gain ground. Good people sit back and hide!.
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Lordchamp
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:12pmSo just stay hidden and silent like we have been for the last 100 years? That’s the answer? Really?
Folks, they already know who most of us that disagree with them are. We voted Republican or Libertarian and are registered as such. DUH!
Quit being such wimps and stand up for what you believe. Speak you mind and do it with conviction.
Would you die to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights from tyranny? Really?
If you took an oath to protect and defend that same Constitution does it mean anything to you? Or is it just words? Will you participate in the coming gun confiscation or will you refuse and abide by your oath?
We each need to answer these questions in his or her own mind and heart.
Whether you like it or not. Whether you want it or not. These decision are being thrust on us by and out of control, power hungry government and it will only get worse.
History tells us where this it going if we don’t stop it. Humans are the constant throughout history. Situations change, humans don’t. What happened in the past will be repeated because we consistently act and react the same way.
Make your decisions and stand by them at all cost. The Constitution and our Country are worth it.
We serve the Constitution NOT the government. The government is to serve We the People.
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SycamoreFan
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:13pmLucky for us we have anonymous proxies to protect our identities. Oops you didn’t know about anonymous browsing?
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DannyM
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:14pmSo, you mean, be an anonymous coward, right? Whatever happened to “stand up and be counted”?
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patriotreadytorumble
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:18pmWhat’s the big deal? If you’ve already spoken out via FB or twitter they have you on their list anyway. They know who we are that oppose this tyrannical “so called president”.
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freedomnetworker
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:21pmThese states just need to stand up and do a proclamation to secede.. not ask for permission. The governors need to come together and convene.
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Raging_Waters
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:26pmWe don’t need to sucede! WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!
WE, THE U.S. CITIZENS, ARE THE BOSS AND WE’VE BEEN LETTING OUR EMPLOYEES RUN THE SHOW!!!
We must now begin to disassemble this beast we’ve complacently allowed to grow before it consumes us all!!!
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mercenary4freedom
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:29pmCarson said the Founding Fathers enshrined in the Constitution the right to change the national government at the ballot box, but not the right to secede
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Well when the ballot box has been hijacked by prog libs, next step might be to secede. No right to secede?…BUUSHITZ! Theres nothing that says we don’t have the right to secede if we wanted to.
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sillyfreshness
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:41pmSecession can happen if you amend the Constitution. Or you could have an “executive order” to secede just like the president is using executive orders to go around the Constitution in regards to the 2nd Amendment.
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Thomas
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:53pm@Yoursensei: Is that why socialist and communist, like yourself, want Government to take care of you?
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MetaphysicalJustice
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:00pm@flypantherfan…signed your petion. Thanks for taking a lead. For all those here that are unafraid to use your own info when signing into whitehouse.gov go do it now and sign the petition. For those of us that are more wary, use a fake account! Not difficult to do. Use your imagination!
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KNaggieland
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:05pmAnd if you send email, post on forums or tweet or text your are already on a list, if you don’t want to be a target better find another hobby.
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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:10pmRome does not understand the founding of our Nation. This is why we are different from every other Nation, because secession is an option.
It is Play by the Rules principle, the Constitution, or this state (anyone) will take its ball and leave. We are not married to a bad government for life.
It is another check and balance.
It is another example of Rome trying to define what this country is.
It also points out how Rome has lost the Trust of the People, and that points out how the government is losing the Moral element of the argument.
The Constitution is 6 to 8 pages, the new Obama Care law is over 2,500 pages, example one.
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BS61
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:13pmI gave up being targeted by this admin a long time ago! We must not let them intimidate us!
Plus, I never received the email confirmation to voice my opinion on this h*ll hole of AZ that I am stuck in for work!
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dukielouie
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:29pmWe need to educate ourselves on secession. Read Tom Woods,Dr.Livingston’s, and go to http://www.mikechurch.com to learn more. DC is to big to fix.Both parties are corrupt.Greed and power has take our Country. I would prefer to live in a free liberty state.
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:33pmThe White House is correct. The same answer would have been given by Lincoln.
States don’t have a right to seceed, they just can. Talk of rebellion and succession is a “Put Up, or Shut Up” moment. It’s not about negotiation, it’s about victory on the battlefield. It’s similar to what the individual is facing.
The question you have to ask yourself is how far are you willing to go. If they come to take your guns will you hide them, give them up, or will you kill federal officers and face the consequences…certain death if you fight it out, life in jail for murder if you give up, or maybe you’re a Spec Ops Bad Mamba Jamba and can live like Jeremiah Johnson on the run in the hills for years.
In the end it’s always about force. That’s all government is.
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kapnkd
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:35pmThey’ve had my name/info for some time now. Every letter written to my Senators and Congressman was NOT to their liking since all three are “Progressives” (Marxists/Communists).
As for the petitions, I (like John Hancock with his signature) WILL stand proudly and boldly for my conservative principles. Screw ‘em!! ….Do NOT back down, do NOT comply!!!!
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jdt8312
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:54pmYa know, if those of us who didn’t think Mr. Romney was conservative enough to get up off their collective arses, and vote because the other choice was Comrade Obama, maybe signing a petition like this wouldn’t be necessary. And remember this too, the Brits tried to tell us that we had no right to withdraw from Britain. But we kicked their rears. I hope that if it ever comes down to it, that these people look upon my information like the British crown looked upon the signature of John Hancock in bold letters. I don’t care if they know. If there are enough of us with the courage of our convictions, it won’t matter if they know.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:54pmRanger1965 hit the nail on the head. It is all about force, not ink on paper. Whomever can kill more or the enemy wins the argument. It is as simple as that. Nice work Ranger.
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Normanator01
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:09pmSecession is a viable and legitimate option…….but it’s the LAST option when all other options have been exausted . I personally will not consider it till then. Those that are serious about it now are jumping the gun.
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Minnaloushe
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:13pmStand in line? No.
I’ll stand in ranks.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:14pmGlenn Beck’s hero, Abraham Lincoln claimed the states have no right to secede and form their own government. So in order to get past this roadblock, we have to convince liberals AND people like glenn beck, bill o’reily, etc….That will be tough
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conserv4ever
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:18pmSo should we all just coward and allow the liberal messiah to do whatever he likes with our money and completely avoid following the law of our constitution?
Its people like you who are responsible for the mess we are in…grow a pair and fight back…it our right!
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OlefromMN
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:21pmWhat’s the over/under on names that would sign a petition to eliminate this silly petition.gov site? I pick it at 250,000.
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illegal characters
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:21pmAgreed …organize lawfully and legally.And don’t let unlawful people to operate under color of law.
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Apple Bite
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:22pmProblem is, if you’re prior military like I was, with a specific skill and job, you’re a target regardless. To me, the risk is the same regardless. That Turd and his administration doesn’t give a damn, also, they’re a bunch of spineless cheating SOBs, on top of being two faced liars.
There’s no unity in this country, they DESTROYED any semblance of unity in America with their crap tactics of blaming the “system” and Christianity for the failures of those that didn’t even attempt to make their lives better.
Regardless of what That Turd says, if need be, Americans need to prepare for the absolute worse to happen. There will be civil unrest, there will be a deeper divide thanks to Statism. There will be blood flowing in the streets and it’s all going to be regrettable thanks to a government that’s not only lacking in principles, but completely incompetent of it’s duty.
That 2nd Amendment is there for a reason. before long, we’ll all learn exactly the reason first hand. In it weren’t there, they would have taken this country apart back in the 50′s with their BS rhetoric. There would have been an Eastern and Western Bloc in this world, in all likelihood.
A petition to seceded? You’re damn right I’ll sign it.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:23pmWe are not Seceding from the Union – The Union has Seceded from the People !
When a Government no longer represents the people it has outlived it’s usefulness !
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DeeCee
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:24pmDADROCKED asks:
“Why not just stand in line and have your pictures taken too?”
Suits the heck out of me. In fact, I’ll be happy to be the very first in line, especially if Mr. Obama will be viewing them. I’d be particularly please to have him know that I hold him in disdain, all the while watching me flip him the bird.
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Zipit
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:35pmYOURSENSELESS! “Conservatives are too stupid to look out for their own interests.” Hmmm?Remember your own words the next time your mommy walks in the back door and say’s, “WANG HONEY! I picked up your unemployment check, and your new EBT CARD”!!!!!!
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SunTzuYou
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:37pmexactly
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:00pmHahah. You crazies are really entertaining. Keep it up!
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RedinDenver
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:06pmWhat good is freedom of speech if we’re so fearful of retaliation that we hide and speak only in whispers.
If your and Glenn Beck’s claim should happen, and the government comes after us somehow, at least we can say that we were courageous enough to speak our minds and were not intimidated into silence.
I would suspect Obama has plenty of ways of finding out who his enemies are. I doubt the WH petitions are the only source of information he has at his disposal.
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darkknight91
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:08pmThe petitions are merely a display of protest. Nothing meaningful behind them. However, secession is not a matter of rights, but a matter of wills. Are you willing and able to fight and die to secede? We will soon find out, I believe.
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Big Media Bias
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:10pmDon’t be a naive fool. Obama and his administration have ENDLESS information about each and every one of us. How do you think the Democrats gathered all the information about their own voters, then sent letters to these people asking to knock on the doors of specifically named neighbors to motivate them to vote and donate money? Information from bank accounts and credit cards speak volumes on who you are. Facebook sells your information to the DNC and related organizations. That information is sold to Obama and his cronies. Got a subscription to the NRA? Yep, Obama knows because you used your credit card. Signing a public petition against Obama is a badge of courage. Why don’t you p*ssies grow a pair and participate in fighting this tyrannical regime in the open? If they come after you, fight back publicly.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:15pmpeople will usually find a way to assert their will….whether they have the “right” or not
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Independent4233
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:24pmBecause Lincoln did not allow secession does not mean the constitution disallows it.
In fact there are many constitutional experts who say secession is not only allowable and an alternative to the people it is advised to do so by what many of the founders wrote.
Secession is best invoked as a condition of peace after civil war begins. It is much more feasible for a government to allow secession than to face destruction of society. They will learn that and agree to it when the time comes.
The police, military and government itself will break along partisan lines
We don’t want to destroy the radical leftist elements. We just want them out of our way so we can continue to progress in a society that we prefer. They can continue on with their multicultural Sodom and Gomorrah all by themselves…..until they collapse from the ineptness a social detertioration all on its own.
And “NO” our doors will not be open to any after the fact converts of which there will be plenty. They will be doomed to enjoy their rainbow utopia all by themselves. Maybe they can all join hands in their pink jump suits, sway side to side and sing , “We shall overcome,” while they continue to be persecuted by a government that does not allow them the use of guns to defend themselves.
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getitgotitgood
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:34pmOn the Divergent Effects on Man of Different Forms of
Government
Posted by Joel Hilliker at 9:46 pm on January 10, 2013
by Joel Hilliker
America is changing rapidly. Its present administration is lustily driving the nation toward the clearly
failing European socialist model. Watching this causes me to consider some stark contrasts with the perfect
model of government expounded in Scripture.
Socialist government creates complacency through wealth redistribution. God’s government fosters
stewardship through private property ownership.
Socialist government takes from the rich to supply the poor and calls it compassion. God’s
government teaches love by example and inspires both rich and poor to emulate of their own will.
Socialist government encourages dependency. God’s government encourages industry.
Socialist government creates discontent and a sense of entitlement. God’s government enables man
to savor the fruits of his labor.
Socialist government rewards idleness and saps motivation. God’s government energizes, ennobles
and arouses ambition.
Socialist government tends toward self-satisfaction and mediocrity. God’s government demands
excellence.
Socialist government insulates man from the consequences of his actions. God’s government obliges
man to be accountable for his choices.
Socialist government strips man of responsibility. God’s government prepares man for ever greater
capacity, duty and authority.
Socialist government erodes charac
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horseman43
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:35pm“White House Responds to All of Those Secession Petitions: There’s No Right to Secede”
Ya wanna bet?
Who’s going to stop us??????
I mean with the economy on the decline and no more revenue to keep it going, with austerity programs at every turn, causing rioting in the streets, since when can the feds stop anybody from seceding, especially by strong states like Texas and Florida?
Many of us are looking forward to the near future when the feds aren’t going to be able to utter a peep, let alone dictate to people what they can and cannot do.
Anybody who doesn’t hold secessionist views in areas that have a majority that wants secession can always move to another area.
In fact, it would behoove them to move to another area if they’re not kicked out beforehand, before they get a daily ass-kicking for contributing towards societal and financial degeneration.
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myrwo6
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:39pmYes! We should run and hide. That would be better and much safer.
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kadster01
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:56pmA right, and a right recognized by the government are two entirely different things.
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steelpanther
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:14pmLincoln is the reason we are in this mess wither you agreed with what he did or not. He completely up ended the constitution because he believed the country couldn’t survive being split up. He was probably right.
But his actions are what sent the federal government on a slow and steady power grab.
I’d have thought succession would fall under the 10th amendment, if you can’t leave when you want, then you really have no rights do you?
If it comes down to another Civil war like it keeps looking like, I really doubt the “Rebels” this time would be content to gathering in their havens and defending them and letting the Union go it’s own way. I do believe the rebels will go for the complete removal of the other side and they will be sent with their tails between their legs off to never never land. Yeah, they are going to want it all, and it will probably be the right thing, as I don’t believe either side would last long with out the whole.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:15pmBarry will use or mis-use the Constitution for his own means, but not necessarily follow it.
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TeslanEdison
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:17pmThe simple answer is this, since the FBI released carnivore onto the internet, there is no such thing as anonymity or privacy. Many sites are monitored, then their history across servers tracked, your MAC address is tracked across computers along with your IP. If you think that you are secure from this with any piece of software you’re nuts because even by using an IP shield and surfing through a VPN you are still creating a statistic and an IP location that can be hacked/ researched to reveal the origin of the IP in question. The only way NOT to be on a list is to never read or research anything on the internet, also anything social media including posting how stupid it is to post is recorded… that makes you a target for being someone who is too smart or dangerous to sign a petition. When Glen made his comments on TV about that it was comical because of anyone he’s got the largest profile to the public one can have. The days of writing anonymous letters ie Silence Do Good are over on the internet. You might still be able to do that with a physical letter to a news paper, but if your finger prints are on it and that paper involving, DHS, NSA, FBI have reason to be concerned you will be logged and tracked too. In many ways Ben Franklin had it easy. The only safe person is one who is completely off the grid meets code, including local and county, lives nowhere near Federal lands, they do their business via a corporate name and their taxes are always paid on time. SAFE
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joan k
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:57pmMolon Labe!
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BehindBlueEyes
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:58pmI’d rather die defending the Constitution and my rights than live under the Soros/Obama communist utopia.
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muffythetuffy
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:10pmOBAMA LIES, SECESSION IS LEGAL
1. When Democrats controlled Congress they were working on legislation that would enable Hawaii, Key West, Fl, and Provincetown, Ma to secede. In 2010 they lost control of the House and the movement ended.
2. When Abraham Lincoln won election a Illinoise and Massachusetts Senator introduced a Bill into the US Senate to prevent states from seceding. This was done because states could secede. There is nothing in the US Constitution except what Liberals see there that forbids secession.
We all know that the UN and World Court would rule that the US can break up into separate nations. We all know why they would want this. Its going to happen and there is no stopping it now. Its too late to stop it.
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heavyduty
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:15pmThey already have the information on all of us! The minute you sign on to the internet they are tracking sites that you visit! All sites use spiders to follow and see what type of searches you make. The government has more information on you than you probably do!
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bannedfromCNN
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:16pmYOURSENSEI:
Although it is difficult to draw conclusions about all liberals, based only on your post, I will give it a try.
Liberals suck.
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heavyduty
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:21pmIf you don’t want them to know what you are doing and what you have then you need to get off the internet and pay cash for everything. Don’t even have a bank account! The websites that you visit put cookies on your computer to help them find out what your likes and wants are! It’s very easy for the government to get this information and keep track of the ones they are interested in! If you want privacy then a website is the last place you want to be!
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muffythetuffy
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:22pmTHERE WERE OVER 700,000 SIGNATURES REPORTED ON BACK IN NOVEMER
Where are they? Obama is wrong and there is a lot of evidence to prove secession is legal. Since the rogue regime in Washington lead by Obama has negated the US Constitution it no longer matters what its said or might of said, Obama is not operating under the RULE OF LAW and cannot use it for his defense. Obama is an now an Out Law in the eyes of all nations.
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Rob in Katy
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:23pmSomeone has to stand up, someone has to give the first warning, someone is 360,000 of us that aren’t afraid. If you are a patriot, they are going to have your name anyway, so don’t be a wuss. See, they have a list of all the Democrats in their little iPhone app, everyone else is the enemy – you are one or the other.
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drbage
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:25pmWonder if the “newspaper” in NY will use a FOIA request to get the list of names and addresses so they can publish them too?
I’ll accept that a state does not have the “right” to succeed, when you, Mr. President, and your acolytes decide to enforce all laws on the books in the country and actually work for the good of ALL Americans…..so, in other words, you are full of what makes the grass grow green(and it is not Al Jazeera Gore!).
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Silversmith
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:39pmThis shouldn’t surprise anyone. At least they were polite and ASKED. Now I guess the only way out is to lock and load (as if there were any other) — that is, of course if you still have the equipment in a few months.
Silversmith
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heavyduty
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:39pmFirst the government has all the information that they need on all of us! Secondly if you don’t think they aren’t watching this site then you are truly ignorant and need to find a new profession in life. Browsers, and websites put cookies on your computer to track the websites that you visit. All of them do it and it’s called targeted marketing! The browsers use what is called spiders that comb the web looking for specific details. So by you posting here or anywhere else they already know. The people didn’t need to sign petitions for that.
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TheFifthColum
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 6:00pmSo true! People….. Do not give this regime your personal information. Are you nut’s? We are dealing with a very ruthless and dangerous foe. Be very careful what you say, and who you say it to. The computer is your worst enemy at this point. Make your alias in private, or with snail mail.
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pdw
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 6:15pmWhen I lived in Maryland the law was if you could overthrow the government successfully you could do so according to the laws of Maryland. but if you failed in the try you would be tried for treason.
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TrueColours
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 6:15pmBecause it’s a small step on the road of resistance to this usurping regime. Secondly, I don’t believe Americans (on or not on this rogue POTUS enemies’ list) will just wait to be herded into the FEMA gulags.
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00100111
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 6:18pmOh ok, White House, I’ll guess we’ll just say “ho hum” and sit down now. Psssh. Rights are taken, not given. If we want to separate, we will. And there’s nothing he can do about it.
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ADS_Ginger
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 6:20pmPetitions never really do anything except fill up a database. Better think about online forms like answering a phone call trying to dupe you and steal your identity. Your name and identity are your most valuable asset. With that, you can be robbed of EVERYTHING including your freedom. THINK. Do not be a “sheeple” just doing what others tell you is the right thing to do.
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yiska8
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 6:32pmAll I know is that Barack Hussein Obama is interfering with Life,Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness.
States don’t need to ask permission. We didn’t ask King George. We didn’t ask Honest Abe. And we damn sure don’t need to ask Barry Soetoro for permission to leave as a state. This President is not living in reality. He doesn’t even believe we have a spending problem. And we want to ask for permission and negotiate with an mentally imbalanced human being sitting in the WH to leave this falling empire only to stay and be enslaved?????
It’s long since past the time to go sweet Texas. Leave the marxists unto the marxists. Why fight for a nation that has too many evil men and women in power and always wanting more.
Like I’ve said before, the Obama administration will not just let us leave, the red states with working people paying their inflated salaries. The same reason Lincoln went to war. To keep the resources and money rolling in.
We are imprisoned, and the government will use violence against those wishing to escape financial,political, and cultural tyranny. Just wait for it.
God help us.
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READRIGHTHERE
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 7:03pm@ dadrocked
I think Piers would have a higher number of “official” protesters if it didn’t require registering with the White House to do it.
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techengineer11
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 7:13pmDadRocked
And now whitehouse.gov has 357,809 name/signatures, ISPs and whatever other info that you 357,809 have voluntarily supplied whitehouse.gov of disgruntled Americans..
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I’m seeing more of and more of this cowardly spirit. I even have a good friend that keeps telling me to be quiet or the Gov’t is going to get me.
Is this where we are at in America that we must live in Fear of our Gov’t? and the response is to be very very quiet?
This is sick and cowardly!
sillyfreshness
…Or you could have an “executive order” to secede just like the president is using executive orders to go around the Constitution in regards to the 2nd Amendment.
Funny! But why not? If you can shredd the Constitution in every other way why not an EO to seceed?
Someone mentioned Beck and Oreilly’s praise of Lincoln. Lincoln was a monster! Probably the most diabolical President that we’ve ever had outside of Obama. The epitome of arrogance and evil.
So we are slaves to the Union? I don’t think so. This Union has become rotten! There’s nothing not anything that I like about it now. Thoroughly evil and corrupt.
Many good and decent Americans out there but as whole the Union can go to hell. We the people are not your damn slaves!
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 7:20pmUnderstood! But I am coming around too! Its going to start somewhere, no matter how we feel, its bubbling up to the surface and the heat is being turned up on purpose by Dear Leader. Run and hide? NO way! Die a martyr on your door step? Not a good idea either. Organize like he does? Yes!
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desertspeaks
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 7:49pmPOINT OF ORDER; The united states of America was founded as a REPUBLIC not a bloody democracy!
It matters not how many times they insist that this is a democracy, it IS A REPUBLIC!
To say otherwise is disingenuous at best and a blatant LIE at worst!
FURTHER: The Constitution that never was! yes boys and girls, the articles of confederation are still the law of the land, NOT the constitution; See article XIII of the articles of confederation; Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; NOR SHALL ANY alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; UNLESS such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, AND be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of EVERY State.;
the following States or State legislatures have NEVER confirmed or ratified the Constitution to this day! Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming many of them having not ratified the first ten amendments.
WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO FROM THE BEGINNING!
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 7:53pmFor all of you who want your state to secede from the union I have some advice and encouragement. Just do it! What’s holding you back?
Personally I don’t know exactly how a state goes about seceding. But since you believe most everyone in your state also agrees with your opinion, you won’t have to worry about that. Presumably your governor and legislators and police and so also agree with you so that part shouldn’t be a problem. I guess if they don’t agree then the first step is to overthrow them but presumably that not a problem given the strength of your convictions that you speak for “we the people” despite the results of the last election.
Anyway, just do it. Just secede as a state. Simple. Are you too afraid to take that step? Too afraid you can’t survive without the Federal Government? Too chicken? If you want to secede, then why are you procrastinating? You state will be just fine.
Can someone explain why you and your state hasn’t seceded yet? Is your state just a bunch of wimps or what? You want to do it, then do it or shut up.
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kadster01
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 8:31pmLook, y’all, Meteorite gives us permission to secede. We can move forward now!
Actually, s/he/it makes a valid point. I doubt there is one state in the entire US that would get majority support to secede. Things would likely have to get much much worse before enough people would get off their lazy, complacent asses and take notice of what’s happening to their country. Not to worry, though. That time will come. Hopefully, it won’t be too late by then.
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Techcon
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 8:35pmImagine your bank or cell phone company telling you “…you have no right to leave.”
The right to leave is the only thing that MAKES a company, or government, accountable for the actions it takes, or fails to take.
Of course “we” have a right to secede.
You would think so-called progressives would advance the notion of bloodless sessesion. I guess not.
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kadster01
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 8:45pmThe US Constitution contains no verbiage whatsoever about awaiting permission, or recognition, from an out of control government in order to secede from, or overthrow, said government. Since it is supposed to be government of the people, by the people, it is ours to discard if it no longer represents us. They work for us. Most of the country, including those in government, especially those in government, seem to have forgotten that basic premise behind our republic.
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Walkabout
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 8:46pmPubliusPencilman
Hahah. You crazies are really entertaining. Keep it up!
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Ha ha ha ha …NOT! Watching a show on the History Chanel about an Orion Project would be fun. Motor Cross, mountain biking, NASCAR, Fishing, that would be fun.
Sometimes the debate can be educational or interesting, but I would not call this fun. It was fun during the 1990s. It “ain’t” fun now given the unfunded liabilities & knowing that Alexis de Tocqueville was prescient & called it with 100% accuracy.
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benjithall
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 8:47pmSo with this logic, anyone who would post subversive comments on TheBlaze.Com against the United States government should suffer the same fate.
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pennx300
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 9:03pmI think of the song the gambler. No when to hold em know when to foldem . time line for withdraw tells the enemy your surrender .so they can crush you the day after
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nw5052001
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 9:08pmbecause not every one is a coward like you i guess
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nw5052001
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 9:13pmI guess saving yourself is most important…It is no wonder the guy is still usurping the Presidency while a few if us show no fear and take them head on you are going to hide..
Thanks Patriots, when they come to kill us loyalist’s we will know not to call you
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Val_Dragon
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 9:19pmhttp://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2013/01/11/brown-is-this-the-scandal-that-will-bring-obama-down/
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Wolf
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 9:49pm“..preaching unity over division and saying there’s no right to secede…”
The Constitution also does not give the gov’t the right to tell us what we are to purchase- such as the SoteroCare- or what we cannot purchase- such as 30 round magazines and fully automatic weapons. But the fed says we can’t- so now it’s telling the states they have no rights as well.
***** Obama and the ass he rode in on. OOPS- sorry… Obama IS an ass, so he can’t ride one. If a state decides to secede, there’s not a damn thing he can do to stop them, regardless what the Coon In Chief says. It’s a state’s rights issue.
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 10:55pmkadster01, I’m glad somebody saw my point. But I’d disagree with you than the secession movement will grow. In my humble opinion it won’t and will, in fact, be relegated to obscurity with all the other fringe movements our that historians only realize ever happened. If this movement is lucky, it’ll be a footnote in the history books, but I doubt even that.
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DadRocked
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:02pmYOU ARE ALL PATRIOTS AND ARE WELCOMED AT THE CAMPFIRE SHOULD/WHEN THE SHI* HITS THE FAN… The posts by both myself ande ProgressiveSlayer OPENED a door of comments and here, as evidenced by 83 – EIGHTY THREE RESPONSES !
NO TROLLS just Patriots that are sounding there voices,… Just like the early days..
I Fly My Thirteen Stars To Bring My Neighbors Back To The Basics Of What This Country Is All About… You Have Proven That ! YOUT are ALL PATRIOTS… ALL defending your RIGHTS and beliefs as AMERICANS!
CONSTITUTIONALISTS ! To each I Salute You: mercenary4freedom – YOURSENSEI – b.mclane Lordchamp SycamoreFan DannyM patriotreadytorumble flypantherfan freedomnetworker Raging_Waters mercenary4freedom sillyfreshness Thomas MetaphysicalJustice KNaggieland DeOppressoLiber S61 dukielouie RANGER1965 kapnkd jdt8312 Mil-Dot Normanator01 Minnaloushe soybomb315_II conserv4ever OlefromMN illegal characters Apple Bite SocialistSlayer DeeCee Zipit SunTzuYou PubliusPencilman RedinDenver darkknight91 Big Media Bias soybomb315_II Independent4233 getitgotitgood horseman43 myrwo6 kadster01 steelpanther Anonymous T. Irrelevant joan k BehindBlueEyes muffythetuffy heavyduty bannedfromCNN heavyduty muffythetuffyRob in Katy drbage Silversmithheavyduty TheFifthColum pdw TrueColours 00100111 ADS_Ginger yiska8 READRIGHTHERE techengineer11 desertspeaks SendTheMeeors kadster01Techcon kadster01 Walkabout benjithall pennx300 nw5052001 nw5052001 Val_Drago
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anothercomment
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:24pmDADROCKED
Not to spook you, but if you Google your screen name and the Blaze…whoop, there you are! Surprise! And if you think that this paranoid, election stealing, corrupt DOJ, and NWO dope smoking 60s radicals have not dug up our real names and addresses, think again. Most ISP have a host IP address, that only leads to the provider, but these little demwits are tenacious little nitpicks.
At some point we’ve got to draw that line in the sand, set aside petty disagreements, and link our Conservative arms and say no more. This little despot is getting a fat ego, and if next Tuesday (Uncle Joe’s big meeting) doesn’t go well, that may be the day.
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Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:44pm“White House Responds to All of Those Secession Petitions: There’s No Right to Secede”
Do you really think this Progressives(communists) tyranny is go to let the slaves go free if they want?
A better petition would be to throw White House occupier Barack Hussein Obama, AKA Barry Obama, AKA Barry Soetoro, Kenyan-born illegal alien into prison and arrest the remainder of Washington DC to stand trial for TREASON:
[part 1]
“OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES”
Wednesday, July 18, 2012
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/07/obamas-kenyan-birth-records-discovered.html
By Dan Crosby of The Daily Pen
(Updated 7/23/2012)
KEW, SURREY, GB – The last place anyone would think to look for a birth record of someone claiming to be a “natural born” U.S. citizen is Great Britain. The very inclusion of the Article II eligibility mandate in the U.S. Constitution was explicitly intended by the founding fathers of America to prevent a then British-born enemy usurper from attaining the office of the U.S. presidency and thereby undermining the sovereignty of the newly formed nation.
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Recall, investigative journalists working for Breitbart.com [you know, the boss who mysteriously and suddenly "died"] have already discovered biographical information published by Barack Obama’s literary agent in which he claimed he was born in Kenya.
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Obama_In_PeePee_Is_Becks_Art
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:46pm[part 2]
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Recall, on August 1, 2009, Dr. Alan Keyes, Pamela Barnett and 42 other plaintiffs filed evidence in a lawsuit challenging Obama eligibility which included a copy of an image of an alleged Kenyan Copy of Certification of Registration of Birth (CCRB). In the hours after the image appeared on the internet, MSNBC and other liberal mainstream, pro-Obama networks went ballistic attempting to debunk the idea that such a docûment exists.
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Several sources show that Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton made a sudden visit to the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, the British agency which oversees Public Records Archives from colonial protectorates, to speak with the Chief Executive of the Archives in early August of 2009.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:50pmHe’s wrong.
He is to be opposed.
End of post.
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lawrench
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:33amUnfortunately, the Founding Fathers never foresaw the erosion of State’s rights and therefore never put in a clause to allow States to succeed.
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TheFixr
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:35amMaybe the founders should have signed The Declaration “anonymous”. Want to save America? Then grow a set .
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:30am@PROGRESSIVESLAYER: DUH, dude, THEY already know that about 75% of AMERICANS oppose their communist philosophy and you are typical of the FEAR MONGERS who are either working for them, for Soros or have S. for brains. THE MORE people say “HELL NO” the better. Fear has no place in this. THEY need to know that WE are not going to quietly line up and be told what to do,
NOT
NOW
NOT
EVER.
GOT IT?
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wandamurline
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:52amIsn’t it nice that when he occasion relates to the government, all of a sudden they are adhering to the Constitution, but when the Constitution stands in their way of extending their agenda, it is just a piece of paper….what hypocricy. David Gregory of Meet the Press blantantly (after being told) disregards the laws of Washington and brings an illegal clip to his morning news, but he does nothing wrong according to the polic chief, but a guy who had one in his back pack traveling through, got arrested and fined. Harry Reid is a liar and crook and it shows more every day. We had a civil war because of the states wanting to discard the union…..too bad that the south lost…if it had won, we would not be in the mess we are now in. When the government is afraid of We the People, we are free men, but when We The People are afraid of the government, we are servants. We are going to have to stand our grounds and make sure that our state governments NULLIFY all laws these lying, corrupt commie socialists pass. That is all that needs to be done…other than voting them out….and the morons who voted them in had better get their heads out of the sand before we become Austria in the 1930′s under Hitler.
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Jim in Houston
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:34amYoursensi is too stupid to really be a teacher (Sensi means teacher in Japanese), but then again he might belong to the Chicago Teachers’ Union.
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Onepoint
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:51amMost people who post replies on political sites or own guns already are are on multiple lists of this govt, I would not worry so much about making it on yet yet another.
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hallkbrdz
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:27pmI am not at all afraid of this Govt. The Govt. is made up of public servants. WE are their masters – they fear us as there are a LOT more of us than THEM.
And yes, we definitely have the rights as states to withdraw from the Union. The states formed the Federal Govt., and they can also dissolve it, or withdraw from it. The states have the final say – not the Federal Govt. They just hope that if they keep saying you can’t do it – that we will give up.
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millerboy
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:30pmI am proud to have signed one of these petitions, if for no other reason than to solidify to the government that I do not want to be a part of there BOONDOGGLE.
I am proud to stand up and be counted As an AMERICAN citizen.
Anyone in doubt about the quality and power of the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA and the AMENDMENTS thereto, need only to Google : The Battle of Athens (Tn.)
I ,for one, did not know that there had ever been an armed uprising and defense of the 2nd Amendment, inside the United States.
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DenverKitty
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:52pmI get your point, but I’m NOT AFRAID of the government. That’s one of the great things about being an American. We take a stand, and then fight to maintain it or advance it, driving the enemy into the ground. The petition I signed specifically stated “peaceful”…and it was denied with some ****-and-bull rhetoric from someone I never heard of. The reply meant absolutely nothing. Next step? We will see.
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Pigpen
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:06pmYOURSENSEI posted: “Conservatives are too stupid to look out for their own interests.”
Thank you, YOURSENSEI, for showing us why Liberals are so DANGEROUS. Beware, my friends, the Left will hunt you, torment you, and KILL YOU all with the same ZEAL that the Inquisitors had when they hunted down heretics all those many years ago? How do I know this? How does YOURSENSEI’s comments prove this? The Left, like the Inquisitors, are CERTAIN that they are RIGHT and you are WRONG. They have a burning, hateful, and certain passion burning in their chests that emboldens them to believe that in the name of GAIA and upon the blood of SAINT MARTIN LUTHER KING JR they have not only the authority but also the DUTY to destroy YOU in the most painful and humiliating way possible. And if you are STILL a conservative fence-sitter who thinks people like me are just whacky, please Please PLEASE remember just one thing: Nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition…
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Armyduderetired
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:25pmDude! And you are posting stuff on this sight and don’t think they have all your info? Something about a kettle….
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flntlok1949
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:39pmIf these are all the secessionists can muster…! Even quadrupled this wouldn’t get more than a political smirk from DC! I hope the number of outraged Gun owners who are angry enough to resist is at least the number of NRA and GOA members! Five times those numbers would be better; and more likely to get DC’s attention – one way, or another!
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LOVE AMERICA
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:55pmHate obama,hate liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Unix
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:00pmIt has been said, true Christians will be martyred. I will be happy to oblige.
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bdsconserv
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 4:56pmi am so sick of these people who think they are so smart refer to our type of government as a democracy. it’s not,it’s a constitutional republic.
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MikeCPA
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:14pmThey already know who their enemies are. How did the Gestapo or NKVD know which doors to knock on in the middle of the night in Germany or Eastern Europe? How did the Viet Cong know who all the American sympathizers were in Hue, Vietnam? Let’s hope the American sympathizers here are better armed.
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unsystematic
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:08pmAre you going to let fear stop you from standing up and being counted – if yes then you are part of the problem, not the solution.
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Daggerandgun777
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:01pmThey already have that.
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Junter
Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:54am@ DadRocked,
Sooo what! You can’t be afraid to stand up and speak when your government is not doing it’s citizenship right. They are supposed to work for us not for their own profit and benefit as is happening. I suspect the majority of those who signed these petitions knew they wouldn’t be able to succede but it does tell the government they need to shape up.
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UnwantedFoe
Posted on January 14, 2013 at 2:48amNot every IP address can be tracked back to the physical location of the user. Just as well, IP addresses change frequently, and all you needed to sign up for the petitions is a first name and last initial, plus any email address you want. Not saying it is impossible to track someone down, it just takes time, though your statement is one of cowardice. Sitting back and letting them step over you will never fix a situation.
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bijobe
Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:59amSorry guys, but Washington, D. C. already ha a data base on 100% of the Americal people! Ever voted, bought/registered a car, driver’s license, bought a gun, signed for any Government program, i.e., Social Security, retirement, etc., . Hate for us to become s afraid that we will not comment on what the Government is doing to us because we are afraid!
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ltb
Posted on January 14, 2013 at 10:56amDadRocked, I signed the petition for Texas, knowing full well that I was turning over my personal information to the federal government. I guess the difference between you and me is that I’m not afraid of the federal government and if they want to come get me, that’s fine. I’d rather die standing for what I believe in than live cowering on my knees.
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“A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.” — William Shakespeare
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howdyrl
Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:01pmThe dumbers in this adminsitration claim the 2nd Amendent has a big problem Why, then how can they be so certain about seccession. Things must fit into their agenda otherwise it is unconstituiona?
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Silvertruth
Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:07pmUm, if you extend the logic there, that’s a whole lot of guns asking for this. There will not be Mao, Stalinist or Hitler grade killings/purgings/renditions of citizens as long as ther are armed. This sharpens the point on the Second Amendment debate. If we lose that, then we are at civil war, it’s not prophecy, it’s a guarantee.
Civil War part II will make the first one look like a fight in the kiddy pool since it will no longer be along state lines but ideological lines and rural vs. urban. The starvation in the large cities will be so horrific that millions will die, not hundreds of thousands.
At the end of the day, what will have to happen is that the cities will have to realize they NEED those rural folks to provide them with food, while those same rural folks cling to their god, guns and religion. Economically, the cities will collapse on their own, that will create problems for them, but try to take the guns- there will be war.
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Spidertroll
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:33amThe Conch Republic was surrounded by warships. How long did that last? Wasn’t it something near 4 days?
Running away solves no problems, if a state did succeed it would meet the same fate as all the other small countries on the planet and be run by the globalists in the blink of an eye. Look at the tropics, it is on all of their government sites and ten year plans, to see what happens to a small country in this wacky modern world of ours.
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Max jones
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:50pmOur enemy is the same enemy we have faced since the beginning. The progress this foe has made in the recent past is proof, to me, of the supernatural character of this conflict. As all the pieces of Bah Rhak’s agenda come falling neatly into place, I can see the precision and cunning of that old serpent, spoken of by Jesus Christ himself.
Conspiracy theories abound these days. They are more true than false. Every End time prophecy tells the story. A monster of a political system devouring the wealth and security of all that are not protected by the gospel of our Lord. For thousands of years The offspring of Satan have worked and labored to prepare this scenario. To set the stage for rise of global rule.
Most intellectuals resist these truths because of arrogance and self deception, but, soon, very soon, even the most die hard scoffers will need to re-assess.
There never was a political solution. The “fix” has been “in” since Bah Rahk was a boy. His rails were greased by decades of careful planning and enormous expenditures.
His time on this planet is drawing to an end…..This will not be pretty…..
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:18pmi sure wish all these republican types were fed up enough to try to secede during the GW Bush years….I bet the democrats would have even agreed with us at the time….At least it would have been interesting and probably would not have been a movement along party lines
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izzy1127
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:03pmThe liberals didn’t want to secede during W’s years, they just wanted to leave the country. Notice, conservatives and Libertarians have no desire to leave, just replace the existing Gov’t or secede if necessary. We have the proper mindset that this is our home, and will be run by our employees or they shall be fired. Time to get back to basics, paper ballots, ID required and maybe, just maybe we can have an honest election. Also, we still have true Democrats out there as well. My local Representative in Washington is Mike Mcintyre. I never vote for him, but he is one of the blue dogs. I am grateful for that. We will always need our check and balance system to keep other party’s at bay. BTW, Obamas executive orders will not stand. They will be tried in the courts and in the house and overthrown. We will keep our country, but it will take time to regain control of DC. Start with your children. Home school as much as possible so the next generation will know just how wonderful America can be.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:57pmwell if the liberals hated this country so much – we should have told them to break away and form their own union…..that would have been a win-win and would have justified our attitudes in the current day
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:59pminstead, we told the liberals they were “unamerican” and told them to get over it since we won the elections
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 7:58pm@MAXJONES
You are very discerning of the truth about this man.
I knew as soon as Ted Kennedy and Oprah endorsed him as the ONE, that indeed…I to did realize he was the ONE they have been waiting for but not for the same reasons they believe. I also knew through the holy spirit that he would win the 08 election and then I predicted in early 09 that he would again win another term. I tried to not believe me eyes and ears to what I was seeing and hearing from this man. I wanted to be very wrong about who I thought he might be.
Even when it was not looking so good for him for re-election, I did not back off on my belief that he would succeed because the people have fallen under his spell…..through discernment this truth was revealed to me that he was the ONE.
Listen to his words, watch what he does and his people, watch who votes for him, what do they believe about him, what do they think he can do for them, understand how the world has responded to him, know that everything negative seems to bounce off him, see how the media has given their total support for him, hear his blasphemies against God and you to will know who he is.
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Walkabout
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 10:14pmsoybomb315_II
well if the liberals hated this country so much – we should have told them to break away and form their own union…..that would have been a win-win and would have justified our attitudes in the current day
instead, we told the liberals they were “unamerican” and told them to get over it since we won the elections
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There is a lot of truth in that. I see emails on a nation “divorce” a few times a year. There is a lot of anger. Stupid trolls & stupid censors n the left think if they can just shut down this or that website or talk show host everything would be peachy. Deluded bunch they are.
I wonder if a partition would goes as well as the partition of Vietnam. The Catholics left there homes in the north to make new lives in the south. The communists didn’t reciprocate. Many communists stayed in the south to cause problems. It was all in or die. They did not want another North Korea & south Korea coexisting showing the world which way did not work.
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tonypro
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:30am“Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States.”
Not then, nor now do all of the states agree to be slaves to the union. The southern states did NOT want to be ruled by a self serving gov. that stole property from the people in the name of the greater good,(Taxes) or for our own good. Just like it’s been doing for years, and that is why we had such a civil war. Just because the Yankee @ $$es won the war, doesn’t mean we all came together in a happy marriage.
“enshrined in the Constitution the right to change the national government at the ballot box,”
This may have been true a long time ago, but now the only ones pushing this, are the same ones that have corrupted the system, and rendered our votes useless, and our voting procedure is no more than a head fake, and fraudulent motion that serves no real purpose anymore other than to keep the slaves in the dark to the truth.
All that said, the criminals can’t afford to let any states secede because they can’t let all the stolen money, and power slip through their boney sadistic, demonic little fingers. I guarantee you if these states were not providing any wealth to the criminals, they’d let them go in a heart beat, or destroy them one.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:47amThe Romans thought that they could hold together their corrupt system forever as well. Sit down with them and ask them how that turned out. No country can exist forever. Especially ones as corrupt as our own. There will come a day when the criminals will pay for their treachery. The only thing that keeps countries together is force. Allegiances rise and fall. They have since the dawn of man. Successful secession is just a matter of who wins the battle. If there are more good people than bad, the good guys win. That simple. And, vice versa.
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YAHSHUARULES
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 10:26pmDo you know who the Fabians (with logo of wolf in sheep’s clothing); SDS, Frankfurt School and Willi Munzenberg, Herbert Markusa and Franz Noima; John Dewey, Antonio Gramsci, Mattechine Society, Saul Alinski (who dedicated his book which Obama taught for years in Chicago “Rules for Radicals” to Lucifer) was a disciple of Gramsci used to train at the rifle range with Leon Despres preparing for the revolution to take down America, later became a mentor to Obama and.Committees of Correspondence are? Connect all the dots that allowed Obama to waltz into the White House..
https://vimeo.com/52009124
All part of the Agenda to create an America so corrupt it stinks; use public policy to subvert America from inside, infiltrate and influence our culture to break down basic rules of morality driving us in a direction designed to destroy us. . No conspiracy – just verifiable facts! If you don’t know all this you need to find out!
This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. I have watched it 12X to absorb all that is in it…give it 5 minutes and you won’t be able to walk away
Watch it. Share it. Arrange a showing in church, groups, clubs, with friends or family. Everyone who loves America needs to see this movie,
It is free on line for the moment
https://vimeo.com/52009124
If America goes down, the free world will go down with it and it will be finished for a very, very long time…
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The-Monk
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:28amTest…
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Walkabout
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:57am” and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted,” wrote Jon Carson, director of the Office of Public Engagement”
In the military they say “they take all your rights away and give you liberties”, which are under their control.
Very interesting choice of words. So the 1st amendment right of free speech is a liberty & not a right?
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Ronald Wilson
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:28amIt will come down again to the matter of “the makers” vs. “the takers”, those ( red ) states subsidizing the ( blue ) states, particularly if there is any kind of state or states bailout ( such as California .. ), there will be civil war again. Texas may be the first to go, but won’t be the only one by far. God help us all.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:53amhaha red states subsidize the blue states? you are out of your mind! Alaska and North Dakota are 2 of the highest welfare states. with Tennessee and Louisiana not far behind. plus do we need to bring up how our farmers would fail in a free market. but thanks to government subsidies, people in the mid west can still be farmers. plus of the 5 states that pay the government the most in taxes. California, New York and Illinois are 1 2 and 4
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:12pmIt will come down to who fights the best and wins the battles. You will never convince a prog, a blue man that he/she is a leech. For a leech does not know that it is a bloodsucker. All it knows is that it must take from others in order to survive. The country will divide. The mouth breathers like Keaton will be consumed by the minority hordes that they so vociferously defend. They will have mind-boggled looks of disbelief on their faces as they are being ripped to pieces. Cries for help falling on deaf ears.
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antitheism
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:13pmCalifornia has the 8th largest economy in the world and the largest state economy in the United States. If any state could become its own nation, it would be California.
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wowjustwow
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:16pmKeaton, how dare you supply these little boys playing GI Joe with adult facts. They are going to cry and tell their mommies!!!
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wowjustwow
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:18pmMil-dot, did you forget to take your meds AGAIN??? Keaton will be fine…and available to visit your rubber room should you need him/her.
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TIMEBOMB
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:43pmKeaton and wow: As your gay Marxist ruler I’d like to thank you for your support and voting for me,it’s simpletons like you two who kept me and my beard in power.
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barber2
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:58pmTIME: Thank you, dear leader, for ending the Trolls Group Speak session. They follow that union / OWS bit of ganging up on people they don’t agree with. Oh, dear leader, your little radicals are so vocal, so “organized” which makes them such effective fighters for your policies : Just give them a bull horn , a conservative gathering or a pitch fork !
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circleDwagons
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:46pm@ANTI-. Exellent proposal, Kaliforinia should form it’s own country. Good luck and God bless
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jeffersonian1776
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:13pmKeaton, that argument you make about farmers would fail in a free market shows how you know very very little about economics. Farmers have failed throughout American history simply because there were too many of them at most times. Obviously, the products and services they produce when there are simply too many of them, all the while technological advances have allowed them to produce much more than beforehand; moreover, as demand has not increased with supply, all means that of course food is going to become cheaper for the masses, especially the poor. This is exactly what happened during the Depression, until the farmers got incredibly greedy and demanded that the gubmint subsidize their failure–thus FDR, our worst president ever until now sent out his thugs to slaughter 6 million pigs, and other animals, and bury them in the ground or burn them, while millions were starving in soup and bread lines. They also payed farmers to not bring their crops to market, so they plowed them under the ground, again as millions starved. Nothing better than good old greed down on the farm, huh? I see that you must always advocate that gubmint can somehow centrally direct resources towards their most valuable usage much more effeciently than can the millions of individuals’ choices that make up the market could ever do? And the market isnt perfect either.Do self a favor, go read “I, Pencil.” You’ll see, they could not even direct resources effeciently towards the pencil industry.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:32pmJeffersonian. if farmers were in the free market they would have gone bankrupt this year with the droughts and all. How successful do you think farmers would be with out their annual 20 billion dollar government check?
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jeffersonian1776
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:25pmKeaton, I fogot, we don’t anybody fail, we take care of all those politically connected, even if that means paying farmers to not produce a thing,which is being done as we speak. Where did the $20 billion come from to begin with? I wish you would enlighten me with economic knowledge on this, please? And show me how this is the best way these resources are allocated? Try to stay within the confines of an economic debate instead of a debate of emotions. If you can do this, then I commend you. And remember, if this helps, capital is not only money, capital is heterogeneous.
Take the challenge, or at least try, if you can. I guess I’m saying–put up, or… .
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Ronald Wilson
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:32pmI probably should not have used the word “subsidizing” to describe the difference, “official” numbers using dollars as the measure do not bear this out. It’s much more complicated than that. The creation of wealth is much more important than it’s (re)distribution.
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338_LM
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 6:02pmKEATONC33… You think farmers and ranchers produce food for fun? It’s not about “the farmers failing in a free market”. It’s about YOU starving to death in one. As sad as it is, if farmers produced food without subsidies, most people couldn’t afford to eat. I am not saying subsidies are the right thing to do; just know it’s not only “the farmers” who benefit from being able to stay in business. I’d much rather see no subsidies, lower taxes, and consumers having a better understanding of what they’re buying is actually costing.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 9:13pmJeff… 20 billion comes from our taxes… and china of course. and subsidies for farmers is absolutely the right thing to do in my opinion. but if you replace the term farmer with most other professions this page would cry socialism! But that wasn’t my point. my point was that these red states like to blame blue states for taking all the money the red states make for welfare spending and subsidizing when its often the other way around.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:41am@Keaton
Your ruse fails because it does not take in stride differences in income, base on local economy. A guy making $100 an hour (and buying milk for $70.00 a gallon) pays more tax @ 5% than a guy making $8.00 an hour (and buying milk for $1.00 a gallon) who pays tax @ 5%.
Uh oh, bubble busted. You should run back to your intellectual masters for guidance.
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Small World
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:27amWe the people need to sign an executive order!
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:26amWhen in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under
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Walkabout
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:44amThere is a right to secede
At the very least we could get together a constitutional convention & write new Constitution allowing
Or we could pass an amendment.
Where in the constitution does it say we cannot?
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mikem1969
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:54amThen it is time we abolish this corrupt and harmful government as a whole and put in place a new one under the original constitution with a few amendments such as term limits for all, any politician found guilty of ethics violations or corruption shall be executed upon conviction, balanced budget amendment. New oath to first do no harm to the constitution or the country. No libs or progressives allowed. I am sure you guys can come up with a few more.
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:15pmTo Civilwarcometh……………Amen!
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:37pmWalk,
Please already with the paper and ink crap. It is long past that being a viable solution. But your peaceful good intentions are well noted.
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Grandma T
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:49pmThose who want to secede need to take a page from the Native American Indians. Their Reservations are outside of Federal control. The seceding states just need to declare themselves Conservative Reservations.
An amendment to the Constitution is not a bad idea either.
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qpwillie
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:24amA state doesn’t need anybody’s permission to secede. They can do it just like our founders did it. i.e. don’t ask them if you can secede, tell them you’re going to secede.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:55amthe only problem is that the other 3 hundred million, eleven hundred thousand americans citizens don’t want secession
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:16pmJust because they did not sign a petition does not mean they don’t want to secede.
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No Grass
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:29pm@keaton33. Assuming that you are part of the 300M that don’t agree, the question is:
What do you want for the U.S.A.?…
Politically?
Socially?
Economically?
Personally?
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:45pmNoGrass,
What makes you think that the coward commie Keaton is right? Do you really think that 300 million people agree with him? Get your head out of your ass and do some math for God’s sake. It’s 50-50 now. The battle lines have been drawn. You must merely pick a side and quit asking the commies what their opinions are. That is what got us into this mess.
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LittleFinger
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:24pm50/50? Do you really think 150 million people want this? Did you sleep through the last election?
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:56pmCorrection, 3.6% not .036%. That equates to 54-46. So I it is pretty close to 50-50 commie Little.
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No Grass
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:09pm@ Mil-Dot (good name, love the Burris Balistiplex reticle though)
No worries here. My head has been out of my arse since 1980.
I don not agree with k33, nor his 330M count of opposition. My point of the post was to get keaton33′s position stated and fixed, not that his statements of the whole of the U.S. electorate agrees with him. I know that Keaton33 is at best confused and ignorant. Yet it is my experience that, when confronting misguided individuals it is best to locate the basis of their wants and wishes.
His answers may very well prove that he is not confused and ignorant, but willfully and knowingly charlatan with ill intent for the Country and a Republican form of self-governance.
I know he is a troll, but think it best for all ages and ilk of readers here, to see his self-described wants and wishes.
Have a good weekend. God Bless.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:14pmNoGrass,
My sincerest apology. I missed your point. My mistake patriot. Carry on soldier.
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Captain77
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:22amTwice, succession was attempted in the United States history. First was against the British, which was successful; the second was the Southern States against the Northern, which obviously not. Perhaps when the cause is truly just, succession is made possible by God. When it is not just, when it is tainted, God withdrawals his hand, making succession impossible.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:36am@CAPTAIN77
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:22am
Perhaps when the cause is truly just, succession is made possible by God. When it is not just, when it is tainted, God withdrawals his hand, making succession impossible.
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You have just articulated how all things operate from on high.
This King I wholehearted support and bow to. He is just, fair, gracious and has never disappointed me.
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Gonzo
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:21amDid the founders have a “right” to secede from the tyrannical rule of a foreign King? That foreign King didn’t think so, this one agrees wholeheartedly.
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hatchetjob
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:26pmSweet avatar you have there GONZO. My favorite kind of pooch.
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JustJP
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:18amFunny how King Obama and his ilk quote the constitution on this matter.
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Small World
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:24amI was just going to say that .
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henryKnox
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:37amStatehood is not a suicide pact. Statehood is contingent on the federal gov’t adhereing to the Constitution. Since our federal gov’t has set aside the Constitution the statehood agreement is null and void.
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kahieb
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:12pmThat just shows how they pick and choose which amendments they intend to go along with. And if they had their way they’d consign it in it’s entirety to the dust bin of history. These people are nothing less than criminals and traitors…
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:13pmMr or Ms JUSTJP,
This is what you must know:
The Constitution is no different than the Bible. All use it, abuse it or ignore it in pursuit of their own narrow interests.
It is so.
It is so.
soybomb315_II
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:18pm@YOURSENSEI
You are correct
Christians no longer follow the bible
Republicans no longer follow the constitution
Some follow neither
Is it so?
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bannedfromCNN
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:08pmOnly when it’s convenient…
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americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:18am“We may have battled fiercely, but it’s only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future.’ Whether it’s figuring out how to strengthen our economy, reduce our deficit in a responsible way, or protect our country, we will need to work together — and hear from one another — in order to find the best way to move forward.”
I CALL B.S. ON THAT ONE!
This administration has NO plans to reduce the deficit. We will see $1 trillion deficits through this entire second term. We are done as a nation, because we will NOT pay our debts. They want to take more in taxes so they can SPEND more. No repayment of the debt will happen and we will no longer be able to support our military. That is their plan. Kill our military! Destroy our ability to protect ourselves. Take our guns. Make us equal with the rest of the world.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:33amThe rage I have against this regime is other earthly and what I really want to say would be taken down. I checked Barry out years ago and knew then he was a Marxist POS who could lie with the best of them. I believe he’s following the Cloward & Piven strategy to a T, combine that with a population of gullible idiots and you have a recipe for disaster. No budget in four + years and new taxes and socialized medicine! Like I said he’s determined to put us into a depression and he’s going to do it. You’re right about all of it especially the plan to disarm us but I think he’ll do it slowly over time with laws and regulations to get us to the point that we actually believe we no longer have the right to bear arms. For the few who still hold onto their firearms it’ll be easier for some future tyrant to disarm them.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:51am@PROGRESSIVESLAYER
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:33am
The rage I have against this regime is other earthly and what I really want to say would be taken down.
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You speak for me also.
Everything about this fraudulent Regime is like kryptonite or splashing Holy water on a vampire.
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missdagnytaggart
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:44pmYou said it progressiveslayer!!
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AZfreeman
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:32pmThere are millions of us who are sickened and disheartened to see what has been allowed to happen to our land. And despite ridicule from the COMMIE LEFT, we would be proud to stand with our weapon and say, “we will not allow this to continue”. Would it take this kind of a message to be heard now? When we reach a point when our freedoms are being lost through the ballot box, the country needs a ‘re-set’. Where is George Washington? Where do I sign up?
I will not comply …..rf
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:27pmThis is what you must know:
Anguish comes easy to you people. Your enemies revel in that.
It is so.
PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:51amFIRST OF ALL: We have all been TRICKED. We are paying into a De Facto, false, illegal U.S. Corporation. The We the People De Jure government has been set-up and reoccupied the vacated legal U.S. government. As long as you keep paying taxes to it..IT HAS YOU and YOU HAVE IT. I will not sign petitions to a false, illegal U.S. government when I am a sovereign and they are NOTHING.
http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org – This is the REAL U.S. “We the People” government that the De Facto VACATED when it became a U.S. Corporation.
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DeVain
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:18amsince when does the administration care what the Constitution says?
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gyro
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:26amthis
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gundylan
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:17amAccording to what this says
“After the Civil War ended, Carson said, the Supreme Court held that “[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States. they cant touch the 2nd amendment. But of course they pick and choose what part of the Constitution they want to follow.
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Walkabout
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:05pmindestructible States?
So Virginia was & is indestructible?
So how did we get West Virginia?
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KidCharlemagne
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:50pmWalkabout
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:05pm
indestructible States?
So Virginia was & is indestructible?
So how did we get West Virginia?
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That’s a good question:
“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; ”
-U.S. Constitution, Article IV, Section 3
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Walkabout
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:28pmAsk Jon Carson, director of the Office of Public Engagement, & he will tell you how smart he is.
Jon Carson said “[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.”
And yet we have West Virginia.
And as KidCharlemagne pointed out
“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; ”
-U.S. Constitution, Article IV, Section 3
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Conclusion: Lawyers do what they want when they want, regardless of legality or morality. They make it legal EX POST FACTO.
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kentuck
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:18pmIF THIS WILL POST AS I’VE TRIED FOR 2 MONTHS TO POST !!
404 ERROR can BYTE ME!
Walkabout – West Virgina wasn’t formed from the CW. It was done long before that. Virgina use to go west to the Pacific Ocean. It’s division had to do with the mountains.
Watch The History Channel once in a while.
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Strait Talk Express
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 4:19pmSome thing you asked struck a nerve when I was growing up in West Virginia Old Grandma used to tell us kids that the Virginia Commonwealth had split from the holy Union to start the civil war, but our folks stayed loyal to America and would not leave the Union, and many fought bravely in the battles to keep our country like a family together again. So we are a state of the union, not a commonwealth.
But after the war was all at an end, the Virginians were so angry they lost they never agreed or such to reunite under one elected governor with us because they were afraid of carpetbaggers, and we are today a commonwealth there and a state here but part of the strong and brave U-S of A for sure together again, that’s all I want to say.
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UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 9:47pmIronic that an alleged “War against slavery” admitted West Virginia as a slave state – AFTER THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.
My Granny told me that Unionists were rapacious bastards, that nothing about them was remotely American, and that their legacy would be the final destruction of both the Constitution and any Republic it ever formed.
Gee, when I look at the blue vs. red states – I see that Granny was right. Care to argue with that?
I have a very bad feeling we’re seeing history perfectly repeat itself. To side with Lincoln, according to this “response” is to side with Obama and your favorite fascist Neo-Conservative. “Don’t mess with our base of graft and corruption, or we’ll kill you” – that’s what Lincoln said (and did), and what Obama is saying (and will do).
Little has changed since 1861. Its the same argument as then, no matter how hard court historians ingratiated to the Gov have tried to brainwash it away. I do find it ironic that Old Va has been inundated with DC suburbanites working for the Gov they belong to and turned blue, while West Va has seen the light and has been largely treated just as maliciously since the war of 1861 as the rest of the south. Regardless of Unionist loyalty in 1863, WV still regarded as southern trash by the progressives and the Government. Have you heard what O’Reilly thinks of Appalachains?
Might want to re-examine what’s really “American” and what’s not.
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grimmster
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:16am“There is no right to secede”.So im guessing thats what England told the colonies,and look what happened there.If the “red states” were to unite,and seperate themselves from the union, much like the southern staes did,we would have to fire a shot, we could just watch the left starve to death.obamas going to push it that far, and it wont end well for the politicians…..
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MisterSarcastic
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:15amHmmm…sorta just like the first time.
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SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:15amThey own y’all….just accept it and get use to it.
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darkeningskies
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:18pmunlike a parasitic liberal, I will NEVER be owned
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stopprintn
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:15amStates should stay, Washington DC should go !
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kickagrandma
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:27amYES indeed!
DO NOT PAY TAXES, folks.
By paying them we are funding our own destruction.
DON’T DO IT.
We’ve always paid ours, always.
But we are done.
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booger71
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:19pmThe only thing Grandma, is that for at least wages, the feds have set up private business as tax collectors, with all sorts of neatly printed federal laws and codes to force them to. First workers have to compel their employers to break the law.
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Look4DBigPicture
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 1:27pm@ STOPPRINTN … Now that’s an idea I can get behind! Washington has made a mess of this country so it’s time we get back to basics.
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LittleFinger
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:36pmYou still need to file your taxes correctly and on time. Failure to do that can result in fraud and really severe penalties, penalties which will be extracted from your paycheck via garnishing etc. Failure to pay isnt as serious, as long as you file correctly. The IRS charges a 5% interest rate on any unpaid taxes, and gives you 5 years to pay it back.
Anyway… thought you might want to know what will happen and how the treasury will get its cut. best of luck
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:14amThere may not be any “right to secede”. But if it came down to that, those who strongly believe it is the way, will simply do it.
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:13amNot a single state petitioned the Federal government for permission to secede in 1860 and 1861 — they just did it!!!
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:21amI’m all for collectivists on one half of the country and constitutionalists on the other half. I can’t relate to or want to be around collectivists ie communists that want to dictate to me how to live my life. They’re evil control freaks with no business even being in a civil American society.
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:44amSame for those stalwart men who signed the constitution and seceded from England.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:54amI agree Capt and Slayer.
Slice this country in two equal halves. Progs on one side, freedom loving patriots on the other. And, on the patriot side, pass a law that states that any person advocating any kind of welfare or social program will be deemed guilty of a capital crime and punishable by their entire family being expelled from our side.
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xcapeillinois
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 5:22pmCapt and Progslayer:
Good idea. The constitutionalists get the half above ground, and the collectivists below.
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SovereignSoul
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 7:14pmIs Progressiveslayer advocating a ‘union of constitutionalists’?
Say it ain’t so!
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:12amHow about we begin a petition demanding the resignation of Obama?
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Ronald Wilson
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:19amIt would be just about as useless as politely asking permission to exit this corrupt federal dictatorship. Why did the Soviet bloc have their guns pointing inwards ?
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Small World
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:20amWhere do I sign ???
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gyro
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:28amreplace resignation with impeachment
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:48am@SNOWLEOPARD
Considering how much he ignores the Constitution, I expect he would only use print-outs of that petition as toilet paper.
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Uncurable wound
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:12amWe dont need permission do do the right thing!
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:12amActually there is a right and it’s found in the decleration of independence,we had a civil war to do just that but the feds back then were just as tyrannical as they are today.
Obama said the night he won re-election, ‘We may have battled fiercely, but it’s only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future. Marxism is based on the big lie and Barry is an old school Marxist doing a number on us.
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:17amThis is reinforced by the Declaration of Independence, which states that “it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” And Thomas Jefferson later noted, “…If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation….to a continuance in the union….I have no hesitation in saying, ‘let us separate’…”
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skippy6
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:29amVery well said, in your opinion how long do we have?
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:40amIMO I still think we have a few years,you might be surprised by that but I think they’re doing the slow death of the second amendment. They’ll keep pouring on new laws and regulations to infringe on our right to bear arms and every new gun law they come up with is unconstitutional but they’ll keep passing them. They’re conditioning us over time to get us to believe that we actually no longer have that right. Confiscation will happen I just think they’ll wait until they think enough of us have been thoroughly brainwashed then they’ll go after the hold outs.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:41amPROGRESSIVESLAYER
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:12am
Actually there is a right and it’s found in the decleration of independence
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I thought you did this on purpose. Even as an accident its pretty brilliant —-
“Deceleration Of Independence”
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:42am@PROGRESSIVESLAYER
George Randolph, Confederate Sec. of War from March 24, 1862 to Nov. 17, 1862 (when he resigned due to the tuberculosis that eventually killed him), was Thomas Jefferson’s grandson. First commissioned as a Major in the Confederate army, Randolph had risen to the rank of Brigadier General prior to his appointment as Sec. of War.
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LittleFinger
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 2:50pmYou do know that there aren’t nearly the numbers required to secede, right? I understand how much you all dislike President Obama, but the reality is that there are only a handful of leaders on the right that have even hinted at the possibility of secession- Rick Perry and Ron Paul are the only ones that come to mind. Even if every signature on that Texas petition was unique, it still represents less than one percent of that states registered voters (Obama got 3.3 Million votes in Texas, btw).
Its not a political reality, and all the secession movement has done is lead more independents and moderate republicans to the democratic party out of disgust. If you want to see who is responsible for the Democrats holding the White House, all you need to do is look in the mirror. I swear its like you people never want to win another election ever again
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Chet Hempstead
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:39amIt doesn’t matter if there is or is not a right to secede. There would still be no secession because there is no state in which a majority of the people want to secede.
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All Pro
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:12amThere is no prohibition against secession in the US constitution.
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:13pmMr os Ms ALL PRO,
This is what you must know:
There is no prohibition against abortion either.
It is so.
SocialistSlayer
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 3:23pmYeah too bad your Mother didn’t exercise her right to Abort ! Or…. were you just the result of a failed attempt??
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afishfarted
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:10amwhat else would a dictator say?
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Mil-Dot
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 11:47amExactly.
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:00pmItallian dictator Mussolni – April 28, 1945.
Romanian dictator Ceausescu – December 25, 1989.
American dictator Obama – ?
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YOURSENSEI
Posted on January 12, 2013 at 12:14pmMr or Ms AFISHFARTED,
This is what you must know:
You should ask John Yoo.
It is so.