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House Identified on NY Paper’s ‘Gun Map’ Burglarized — And the Robbers Went Straight for the Guns

Jan. 13, 2013 7:33pm Erica Ritz

Man Revealed by Journal News Gun Map Has House Robbed, Criminals Target Gun Safe

(Photo: Lohud.com)

After the Journal News published interactive maps detailing where gun owners live in a number of New York counties in late December, people all across the nation decried the move as an invasion of privacy and a danger to the families.

A number of ex-burglars told Fox News that the list would prove invaluable to criminals, telling them which houses to avoid or rob, depending on what they wanted.

It was revealed on Sunday that one of the homes identified by the paper was targeted by burglars over the weekend, though a connection to the Journal News has not been proven.

New York’s Westchester/Rockland Newsday has noteworthy details on the break-in (all subsequent emphasis added):

A White Plains residence pinpointed on a controversial handgun permit database was burglarized Saturday, and the burglars’ target was the homeowner’s gun safe.

At least two burglars broke into a home on Davis Avenue at 9:30 p.m. Saturday but were unsuccessful in an attempt to open the safe, which contained legally owned weapons, according to a law enforcement source. One suspect was taken into custody, the source said.

The gun owner was not home when the burglary occurred, the source said. The victim, who is in his 70s, told Newsday on Sunday that he did not want to comment while the police investigation continues.

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Neighbor John Mascia said he thought the gun permit database should not have been published.

“I could [not] care less what they have in their home,” Mascia said.

Police are investigating what role, if any, the database played in the burglars’ decision to target the home, the law enforcement source said.

Republican State Senator Greg Ball of New York released a strongly-worded statement on the matter Sunday, adding that he plans to introduce legislation to better protect the identities of gun owners in the future:

“The Journal News has placed the lives of these folks at risk by creating a virtual shopping list for criminals and nut jobs. If the connection is proven, this is further proof that these maps are not only an invasion of privacy but that they present a clear and present danger to law-abiding, private citizens. Former convicts have already testified to the usefulness of the asinine Journal News ‘gun maps’ yet the reckless editors are evidently willing to roll the dice, gambling with the lives of innocent local homeowners,” Senator Greg Ball said.

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“The same elitist eggheads who use their editorial page to coddle terrorists and criminals are now treating law abiding citizens like level three sexual predators. These bills are critical to keep folks safe and fundamentally protect their inherent right to privacy… This is not about the Second Amendment; these bills are simply about commonsense and personal privacy. Publishing this information on a website, as we have evidently just witnessed in the recent attempted gun burglary, provides criminals with a map of where they can steal firearms from lawful owners for later use in the commission of crimes. This legislation is critical,” said Senator Greg Ball.

Ball wasn’t the only one to call out the Journal News in the wake of the robbery. Senator Ball’s office adds:

In addition to Senator Ball’s legislation, the Vice President of the Affiliated Police Association of Westchester County, Robert Buckley, said in a letter [that] publishing these maps online is jeopardizing the safety of residents and is irresponsible.

“The Affiliated Police Association of Westchester County Inc. is putting The Journal News on notice that we will hold [them] accountable for any incident where any of our over 25,000 members are involved with an incident where a criminal or ex-con presents themselves at the residence of one of our members as a result of their name being made public by [their] newspaper,” said Buckley.

Fox News’ Judge Jeanine Pirro ripped into the Journal News over the weekend, noting that the “cowards” who publish the paper appear to be fiercely protective of their own privacy:

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Comments (268)

pissantno.10
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:18pm
hey these people will be holders heroes.

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- Sickandtiredofextremists
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:26pm
  “Heroes”? I thought they were his employees!
  
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- nacilbuper
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:27pm
  Hooollllldeeeer…… I know nothing!
  
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- Sickandtiredofextremists
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:29pm
  “Holder’s Heroes”? I thought they were his employees!
  
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- oldguy49
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:35pm
  SUE the crap out of the newspaper
  
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- dwilco77
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:38pm
  Seems to me the Editor of the paper should be libel for placing these people, and their belongings in danger. It was reckless behavior to print these citizens names, and addresses without any consideration of the potential consequences. If one of these burglaries ends up in injury or death, the Editor should be tried for being an accomplice in the criminal behavior.
  
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- oldguy49
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:39pm
  aren’t they also be considered an accomplice ????
  
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- HOOT_OWL
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:10pm
  I know the information is public record, but isn’t there some kind of tracking on this kind of information. If someone accessed this information ,that could be used in a court of law to insure conviction. and Now because of this Newspaper ,there is no paper or internet trail to link the info to the perp who acquired this information..?
  
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- rickc34
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:22pm
  Lawsuits are coming.
  
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- Caniac Steve
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:26pm
  Holder is much like the nazi propaganda minister during WW2
  
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- freedomnetworker
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:32pm
  time to sue the paper..
  
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- BreeZee
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:46pm
  I was wondering how long it would take for a crook to hit the houses just to steal the guns. I would take legal action against to paper.
  
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- Mil Mom
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:03am
  @oldguy49
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:39pm
  
  aren’t they also be considered an accomplice ????
  ***
  It sure sounds like they are. I hope that’s why that police association wants to prove the paper was the aid to finding the home. Then I hope these idiots get jail time!
  
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- decendentof56
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:13am
  Point one…Make the lives of the employees/owners of the Journal News miserable by NEVER buying another copy of their despicable paper, and NEVER stop contacting the advertisers of that paper to voice your opposition. Do not do business with them them as long as they advertise in the Journal if at all possible.
  
  Point two…. we just saw WHY people dislike lawyers. Jeff Gold sat there and defended the Journals’ right to publish those names and addresses under the first amendment. I have to wonder, Jeffery, if you would defend someone who made a disparaging racial remark (not even a threat) for their 1st amendment right to make that same comment?
  
  Here is an excellent opportunity to show togetherness as patriotic Americans by standing up for what is right.
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 2:34am
  to bad the homeowner was not at home. might have had 2 less to worry about.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 2:59am
  Time for a CLASS-ACTION LAW SUIT against the newspaper. Public Record means that anyone (who knows the name or the address) can go and look and see if they have a gun at that address; but it’s not for a single source/entity to do the research and then publish it. WHAT PART OF THAT CAN’T PEOPLE GET?
  The gun owners complying with the law have BROKEN no law, therefore are NOT “NEWSWORTHY”.
  
  I hope there is some great law firm up there who can gather up the people listed and sue the hell out of this paper, putting it out of business for once and for all. The paper miss used their ‘power’.
  
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- Desertcatn
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 3:50am
  Hoot, there is, anyone requesting to access the information has to identify themselves in the request; by publishing the info in this manner, that safeguard was removed.
  
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- love the kids
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 7:52am
  Were any homes in the area broken into in that area that showed that they don’t have guns?
  
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- ExposeGannett
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:35am
  Hold these goons accountable for their actions, visit http://www.exposegannett.wordpress.com and call them, write to them, leave letters at their doorsteps with your outrage. Do NOT let them go without being contacted by people with common sense.
  
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- ExposeGannett
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:38am
  Why not give them a call? Or drop by their houses? I mean it’s public information after all…
  http://www.exposegannett.wordpress.com
  
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- ron2win
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 10:34am
  Hoot , If they traced back ,as to who requested a copy of this list and received one .There still would be a problem.If they found out a convicted felon recieved this list , they couldn’t reveal it to any one . Felons have privacy right , doncha kno ?
  
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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 11:57am
  You won’t find the gun(s) in my home. For my handgun, my safety box requires my handprint and it is BOLTED TO THE FLOOR. You will need a hand grenade to budge it.
  
  People who do NOT secure their guns are stupid people.
  
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- smv803
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:10pm
  The Journal should be shut down and everyone responsible should be put in jail. As individuals, we have freedom of speech and are responsible for the outcome, good or bad. The Journal now needs to explain why they should pay for the privacy and beach of security for all the people listed.
  
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- VanceUppercut
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:16pm
  I could be wrong, but didn’t I read another article on this site that claimed that crime would go down in neighborhoods where people knew there were gun owners?
  
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- TXGunslinger
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:19pm
  Can you say “Class Action”!
  
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- Xiccarph
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:17pm
  At the least, charges of aiding and abetting should apply to the paper.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:38pm
  Did anyone think they wouldn’t go after the guns. That was the whole reason they printed that information. More guns in the hands of criminals. It is what they want.
  
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- bdsconserv
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 3:56pm
  if it turns out these burglars got their info from that piece of trash newspaper, i’d sue the s–t out of ‘em.
  
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- Al J Zira
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 7:33pm
  @VanceUppercut: You really don’t follow how this works, do you? Should we slow down until you catch on?
  
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Uechi
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:18pm
I hope the Gun owner sues the news paper’s butt off!. Next time, they maybe guilty of more then providing robbers with the location of guns, some innocent will die do to their irresponsible actions. If it was me and a love one was injured or killed the owner and editor better move out of the country or they would be food for the fishes.

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- cosette
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:29pm
  My sentiments exactly!
  
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- grandma7
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:36pm
  I hate how often people sue and for the smallest things.
  But one word to that family….
  SUE…
  
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- truthnstuff
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:14pm
  But, but, but I thought it was against the law to break in and steal. Maybe they better restate it as a “ban”.
  
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- CathyvanDyke
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:13am
  Why is the Tea Party not organizing mass peaceful rallies/protests in regards to Gun Control … in regards to illegal immigration amnesty. The OWS anarchy. the Trayvon Martin protests and the illegal immigration protests of 2012 imply the left has figured it out how to be heard.
  
  Obama to push for one-step, comprehensive immigration reform early in second term
  Published January 13, 2013
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/13/obama-to-push-for-comprehensive-immigration-reform-early-in-second-term/
  
  Biden on Gun Control: President Obama is considering an executive order
  Wednesday, January 9, 2013
  http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/high-tide-and-turn/2013/jan/9/biden-gun-control-president-obama-considering-exec/
  
  Allen West – June 15, 2012
  “I think right now, this shows that we are getting away from a government that’s based upon consent of the American people, and we’re starting to live under a rule by edict or executive order,”
  
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- Mil Mom
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:12am
  @truthnstuff
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:14pm
  
  But, but, but I thought it was against the law to break in and steal. Maybe they better restate it as a “ban”
  ***
  Good Idea, maybe the government should put a 3 day waiting period and background check on buying burglary tools. Then maybe they could make any tool Under, say the size of a crane and wrecking ball that can be used to break into a property illegal to sell in the US lest they fall into the hands of a criminal. We’ve got to get guns off the streets and we all know the vast majority of criminals got there guns from an illegal source such as burglaries or the US Government if we’re talking Mexican Drug Gangs. (But we all know they’re not in the US because it’s illegal for them to come across the border, right?)
  
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GadsdenGurl
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:14pm
No connection to the newspaper? Poppycock! I say sue their pants off!

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:28pm
  I’d say there is criminal negligence and reckless endangerment here. I say prosecute, but let the victims take civil action too. Thoroughly irresponsible.
  
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- Silversmith
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:38pm
  No kidding! How long did anyone think it would be before this kind of thing happened? The paper is responsible for this, with probably more incidents coming.
  
  Silversmith
  
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- CathyvanDyke
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:24pm
  FANTASTIC: Judge Jeanine slams The Journal News as “nothing but a bunch of cowards”
  January 13th, 2013
  
  Video:
  http://www.therightscoop.com/fantastic-judge-jeanine-slams-the-journal-news-as-nothing-but-a-bunch-of-cowards/
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:40pm
  CATHYVANDYKE, I watched her last night, then saw the spot repeated twice on F&F this morning. Well worth watching each time.
  
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- CathyvanDyke
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:05pm
  RJJinGadsden
  
  What I fail to comprehend is why the respective 2008 and 2012 Republican candidates for the highest office in the land did not campaign in a Judge Jeanine/Allen West style. In other words … why was the electorate not “clearly” inform of the alternative to the Marxist ideology that was/is infiltrating the American administration.
  
  LTC Allen West on Illegal Immigration
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmn0mFV7xFs
  
  McCain warns supporters, calls Obama decent man
  October 10, 2008 06:17 PM http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/mccain_gets_a_l.html
  
  Romney repudiates proposed Rev. Wright attack on Obama
  May 17, 2012
  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/05/nyt-gop-donor-wants-to-resurrect-jeremiah-wright-attacks/1
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:46am
  CATHYVANDYKE, You can lump Bob Dole’s campaign in with the lackluster of those two as well. Neither showed intestinal fortitude and seemed to refuse to go for the jugular when they were presented with the opportunity.
  
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Chrisrob63
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:11pm
100 years ago, if something like this had happend, the citizens would have marched on the newspaper office, citizen arresting the editors and publishers, and then burned their offices to the ground.

The First Amendment does not give you the right to put people’s lives and properties in danger.

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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:26pm
  Absolutely correct. Burn the building down.
  Oftentimes I think a return to an earlier era would be an excellent move.
  Once upon a time if you caused offense to a man, his family or his honor — he’d hunt
  you down and kill you. Thieves were treated in much the same manner [cattle thieves
  were hung].
  
  One of the reasons crime is so rampant is because criminals laugh at the “consequences”.
  Risking your life is a heavy deterrent. The criminals who ignore the danger deserve a bullet.
  
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- Extremerightwing
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:28pm
  Right! What difference is this, and yelling fire! In a crowded theater? This newspaper should be more then just sued, shut them down permenantly!
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:39pm
  The actions of the newspaper people trying to shape the world in their image makes the case for gated communities.
  
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- SuttonShimai
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:39pm
  “One of the reasons crime is so rampant is because criminals laugh at the “consequences”.”
  
  I am a teacher and quite often I get students who laugh at me when I assign detention for misbehavior in class. They know their mommies will get them out of it. “I’m not serving that detention” is something I hear a lot.
  
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- lookes2003
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:43pm
  I don’t think this could happen in Idaho, but if it did, there would probably be a friction fire. That’s when privacy concerns and reality rubs up against liberal stupidity… No need for lawyers or lawsuits. Just common sense.
  
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- yiska8
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:47pm
  Angry citizens would have broken every press in the building 100 years ago.
  
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- XquisiteWretch
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:06pm
  Yeah our punishment for criminals isn’t a bullet, but you do realize we make up 4% of the worlds population, but 25% of the worlds prison population. This is more from criminalizing EVERYTHING and throwing people in prison rather than actually deal with the problem, drugs/DWI/etc. Stricter punishment (more prison time) is NOT what we need right now, considering the taxpayer is going broke already, 30k a year per prisoner, 90% of whom are imprisoned for non violent crimes.
  
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- missdagnytaggart
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:28pm
  @ Sutton- Do you think these little devil children will grow up to be dem voters someday? tehehe.
  
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Stelex
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:11pm
Everything a progressive touches turns to crp. These idiots and the quest for utopia is going to get lots of innocents killed. Progressives are nothing more than children who’ve never grown up. The fact that one of them is our President, speaker of the house, leader of the senate, minority leader and so many more scares the he77 out of me and should scare every citizen with a shred of common sense. I don’t see many choices left to common sense folk with progressives running the gov, schools, unions and local govs. I have been attacked on so many levels by these people, I have been made out to be the bad guy when I’ve done nothing. Its time to turn the tables……

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- pissantno.10
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:25pm
  yes but they want people to die, so it will just be them because they are the only ones who know how treat the planet right. they will be able to pet the polar bears and kiss the bunnies
  
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- ginger100
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:31pm
  they need is a good whoopin!
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:41pm
  You’re not alone. Im fed up with it myself.
  Its LONG past time to turn the tables.
  
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- stumpy68
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:23pm
  You hit the nail on the head( idiot children ) are running
  this country the definition of an idiot child being anyone over 25
  who believes that the world owes them something that everything
  can be fixed with more laws and other such fairy tails.
  
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Elena2010
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:10pm
Only 4 percent of all gun crimes are committed w/a lawfully possessed gun.

So, taking guns out of the hands of lawful owners does NOTHING to reduce gun crimes. It makes it harder for us to defend ourselves.

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tomagolledge
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:09pm
And so it begins….

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- gyro
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:29pm
  this
  
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Bum thrower
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:07pm
GREAT!!! advertisement for a gun safe; I have three; good place to keep papers and other valuables not just your firearm…..

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DEFCON4
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:05pm
This should be interesting, When the ‘freedom of information act’,
runs into the ‘Invasion of privacy act’, without just cause…..

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yiska8
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:01pm
Sue til you break them.

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- Advection
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:11pm
  Class action.
  
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- ALL4FREEDOM
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:12pm
  Then sue them again!
  
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- 4070BN
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:16pm
  Wonder how many lawyers are lining up to take this to court?
  
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- yiska8
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 11:41am
  Exactly, this is what lawyers are for. Unleash them.
  
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IndyGuy
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:00pm
Gee…Didn’t see that coming…

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ClemBradshaw
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:59pm
Now these weapons are in the hand of criminals. Newspaper is responsible for this “transfer” and their fingerprints are on these guns also.

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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:12pm
  “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech” That’s clear enough isn’t it? So what is the gripe? Were the Founders joking when they wrote that? Do you guys hate the Constitution of the United States of America?
  
  What do the words, “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech” mean to you, if not the obvious?
  
  Are you saying the United States SHOULD RESTRICT FREEDOM OF SPEECH???
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:20pm
  No Meteors, the journalists should have the intelligence to know that their actions will create consequences. They should be made to pay, but I do not think it should be from the government, on the contrary, I think such action should come from the people. The Constitution does protect the government from taking action against your stupidity, but that doesn’t mean society must do the same.
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:23pm
  10 word magazines meat head.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:23pm
  Poor Meatballs, it thinks the 1st amendment is crystal clear, but considers that the 2nd amendment is not & needs interpretation. What a partisan hack.
  
  Meatballs is as oblivious to the truth as Audun Lysbakken.
  
  http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=58285
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:46pm
  SENDTHEMETEORS, Can’t quite bring yourself to speak of the whole amendment? Considering how much the government has done to squash the part about “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” when it comes to that religious part.
  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
  Walk your happy ass into the next crowded theater you see and practice your first amendment rights by shouting “FIRE” at the top of your voice. You see, with all of these freedoms, comes responsibility. What this paper did was ANYTHING but responsible. They are pushing their very own agenda and don’t give a damn about who they have to hurt to push it. They started it, and I say they should be held responsible for any collateral damage their actions cause.
  Go ahead and be irresponsible with your free speech too. See where it get’s you.
  
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- LIBSALWAYSLIE
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:48pm
  METEORS, are you really that stupid? I mean like dumb as sand stupid? You look for a twisted way to defend the pathetic actions of the newspaper, instead of defending law abiding citizens. Freedom of speech has limits, you cant yell fire in a crowded theater. What if one of your friends were to publish where in your home all your valuables are, and when you’ll be away on vacation? Would that be free speech??? Why do you chose to be an idiot and not defend the law abiding citizen? You are a disgusting pathetic excuse for a human being.
  
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- tj1961
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:48pm
  Send in the meteors….The First Amendment is NOT an “anything goes” deal!!!
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:54pm
  @Meteors – Free speech has always had limits. You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater for a reason – because innocent people could get killed. Same thing here. Mapping out homes with names and addresses to give criminals license to break in and take the weapons – perhaps to kill those who live in the homes is downright MURDER!
  
  Any gun taken from these homes and then used in a crime should have every person who works for that paper arrested and jailed for the crime – the same as the criminals – as they are just as guilty. In fact, a case can be made for conspiracy to commit murder since they provided material information to the criminals to obtain the weapons. The case can be further made that these homes would never have been broken into in the first place had the paper not provided the material information.
  
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- SendTheMeteors
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:01pm
  Wow, I’m impressed that is a layer of intelligence beneath the superficial comments common here.
  
  Lord says that what this newspaper did was Constitutionally protected, but that “society” should respond punitively, presumably by not supporting this news organization. Lord, good answer, you are correct. That’s the answer: remove financial support. That’s what happened to a FOX personality a year or so ago, as well as personalities such as Ted Nugent (dropped from the Discovery Channel).
  
  RJ and LIBSALWAYSLIE both recognize that there are reasonable restrictions on the 1st Amendment and both quote Supreme Court Justice Holmes in an opinion that said, yes, there are limits on the freedom of speech (Schenck v. United States).
  
  Ironic isn’t it that both of you talk about “fire” in a theater, given the events in Aurora?
  
  You both proclaim that there are reasonable restrictions on the right to free speech (“yelling fire in a theater”). So both agree there are reasonable restriction of the 1st Amendment.
  
  So there are no reasonable restrictions of the 2nd Amendment? Why can’t I walk into a school or government building or library with a shotgun or AK-15? Don’t I have the right to “bear arms”?
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:32pm
  METEORS! Nice…. So much written, So little said!
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:48pm
  SendTheMeteors
  “That’s what happened to a FOX personality a year or so ago,”
  
  Beck was dropped by Fox & he has bounced back, which has only made him stronger.
  
  Not so sure about this newsrag called “The Journal News”
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:05pm
  SendTheMeatballs
  Policemen in England don’t carry guns. And they are almost never killed. Policemen in the US carry guns and they are killed all the time.
  ***
  Wanna try that again? We’re a different culture than the United Kingdom. Look at rape statistics. We are worse. Although like homicide there is a decreasing trend in the U.S. Probably due to the aging of the population.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#UN_Rape_Statistics
  
  U.S.about – 30 per 100k
  Scotland about – 18 per 100K
  England about – 25 per 100K
  
  Why would England be worse than Scotland? Oh yeah England has London, a multicultural disaster.
  
  Of course it is a lot easier to rape a woman if all she has is mace. But then Meatballs is probably really a man & does not give d/mn.
  
  Meatballs is real bullish on call boxes with little blue flashers on them. So at least Meatballs can say they care. It always better to look like you care than to do something effective.
  
  If meatballs had had her druthers, she would have personally disarmed that mother who defended herself & her children against the crowbar wielding robber. that woman should have called 911 & if she had to fight she should have engaged in hand to hand combat like liberals intended in the 1st place.
  
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- Atomic
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:56pm
  sendthemeteors, the paper will be sued. It will be sued very successfully and very often. YES, there are restrictions to the 2nd Amendment. About 20,000 of them… Unfortunately, many are unreasonable and need to be repealed. What does “shall not be infringed” mean? Its stated only once in the Constitution. Now, the unreasonable restrictions that exists, especially the gun-free zones are a main factor in the carnage we see. Lets not forget that Aurora, Sandy Hook, Columbine (just to name a few) were gun-free zones… Overwhelmingly, mass killings (no matter the means) have 2 things in common, a gun-free zone and a mentally deranged psycho… When you say “Why can’t I walk into a school or government building or library with a shotgun or AK-15 (AK47 or AR15)”? Physically you can, but you won’t because you follow the law. As you can see, there are those who won’t follow the law… If some demented individual is bent on committing murder, do you really think he or she will worry about a weapons violation??????????? So, logic will dictate that gun-free zones are an idiotic idea that force citizens to be defenseless victims. It’s a restriction that is a proven massive universal failure, conducive to mass killings. It’s clearly evident that the opposite is far more sensible.
  
  The most effective way to stop a bad person with a gun is with a good person with a gun. Please, lets not emulate the insane gun laws of Chicago…
  
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- Ar-shooter
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:52am
  @meteors
  May a meteor land on your house..! Dumb@$$
  
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- longun45
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:58am
  According to progressives the first amendment is already a moot point because you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. And they use that excuse to trim the second amendment. Except that is not what Holmes said. The First amendment does not protect you from consequences of foolish and harmful actions. If you yell fire in a crowded theater there had better be a fire. And if there is not you are not protected by the constitutional right.
  
  The newspaper may print anything it wants, but it is liable for it’s actions and if based on the information they printed they caused an action to happen to a person they endangered, then that person ha a right to sue.
  
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- guns-an-bibles
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:38am
  SendTheMeteors
  You are such a moron! There is an old saying that still holds very true today even with ******** in charge of everything… Pay close attention to this… (YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY RIGHTS BEGIN).
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 9:00am
  Apparently SENDTHEMETEORS is not the only one who can’t tell the difference between an AK-15, or an AR-47.
  http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/powder-keg/82650-dangerous-ak-15-a.html
  
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- starider
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 11:39am
  Wrong! Reread the article, “the burglers were unsucessful in opening the safe”, No guns were stolen. Like a responsible lawabiding gun owner his weapons were locked up while he was absent.
  
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blanco5
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:58pm
Lawsuit!

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dcatlady100
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:57pm
Now, just who do we see about this?

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- blanco5
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:05pm
  Maybe there’s ONE lawyer who hasn’t sold his soul to the devil? Nah, I didn’t realize until I typed it out –”soul” and “lawyer” in the same sentence–what a joke!
  
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Angel_light
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:56pm
gee, none of the ‘smart’ people saw this coming.

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zman173rd
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:52pm
I see the paper backing the story by claiming this would NOT have happened if Guns were kept out of the hands of law abiding citizens. An excuse for them is that this is exactly what they are trying to prevent. If there were no guns in homes but were being held in “protective custody” such as is done in England and other countries, then the criminals would not have attempted the burglary in the first place. Think like a Lib and you can see that their is not to be reasonable. The ends merit the means.
Sad we’ve come this far. Maybe “come this far” isn’t the words to describe this travisty.

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- Hobbs57
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:28pm
  Your right on !! Same thing Fast and Furious was all about. Arm the cartel’s, then create gun legislation in response to it…. Only problem is, the over bloated government has problems keeping secrets these days and the citizens found out…. NOt that the media cares at all, they are in on the plan, and owned by the very same people trying to get the guns out out of our hands. They would love nothing more than to remove the jaws and claws that stand between them and the Constitution. While they have gone so far as to influence a Republican supreme court judge by the way of Obamacare, to infringe on our constitutional rights, then most assuredly helped to fix the election since they come to find out they couldn’t buy off MItt … I am tired these bankers and the talking heads they employ as the so called 4th arm of the government. All I Can say is thank goodness for the internet, it has been the equalizer in this mess.Hopefully, the next candidate on our side realizes this and utilizes the net !! You know Hillary is next in line on the other side, and she has already openly admitted with George Soro’s that she is all for the New World Order. If for no other reason that it is best for us … The intellectual elites and money hungry demons make a wrecking pair !!
  
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deltaecho
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:51pm
The administration is so disarming!
“Ah ah ahya – ah’m soo in love with you!”

Keep your heads up, kids. We old folks haven’t much to lose.

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barber2
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:46pm
I hope they sue the papers and raise a big stink about this. Love the fact that the Left has been persecuting conservative Murdoch in London since July, 2011 over tabloid phone hacking while the Left here leaks info ( often from the Obama White House ) on their front pages which endangers public safety and national security , but , of course, the Left is nor their media outlets are NEVER punished for said behavior.

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- turkey13
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:03pm
  The ACLU should go up there and sue the paper for not making the playing field equal for everyone. The paper should do a new list and include net worth on all that live in the listed area. A crook could use this to pick out the ones that aren’t in the hole and own their homes and have their gold stashed at home.
  
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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:16pm
  You can’t sue somebody for distributing public information. The law only recognizes a difference between public and private information, not public and more public.
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:45pm
Sue their arse!

1. Every gun owner who’s name and address appeared on that map MUST apply for concealed and carry – immediately – for their own protection.
2. Every home in those counties NOT identified as a gun owner in those counties SHOULD go out and buy a firearm for their own protection – immediately.

Names & Addresses JOURNAL NEWS EMPLOYEES can be found here –
http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/anyone-know-where-to-find-cyndee-royle-editor-of-the-journal-news/

The cowardly “journalist/editor” that started all this has cut and run. She has removed her Facebook page and has PRIVATIZED her Tweets. Read about it here – http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/cowardice-smug-journal-news-editor-deletes-facebook-page-hides-tweets/

About the names and addresses – Copy. Paste. Disseminate. Repeat on EVERY BLOG your a member of, and if your not a member of any, join some. If these ashwipes are not made an example of, this will spread to every city in the Country.

Copy. Paste. Disseminate. Repeat.

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- Keatonc33
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:02pm
  don’t get me wrong, liberal as I am. I still think the gun map was a stupid idea.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:25pm
  Yeah, its information that can be accessed in a limited manner for a reason. The newspaper gathered the information and built a database and a map to be used by the criminal element. I still think that there could be criminal and civil action that can be taken against the paper and those who made the decision to recklessly endanger the public at large. They have told the criminals where the weapons are if that is what they want, as well as mapping out for them the locations of homes that are unarmed.
  And, to top it all, they’ve expressed the desire to do more of the same.
  
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- Dano.50
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:39pm
  It’s about time liberals learn something most conservatives learned by being spanked a few times: Actions have consequences so think before you act.
  
  Much as I can’t abide the shyster profession, I hope any involved in publishing that list are in debt for the rest of their lives.
  
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HumbleMan
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:44pm
The newspaper should be named as an accomplice and prosecuted.

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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:54pm
  They’ll say that the information was already public record. If it is a public record online or that you have to visit the country clerk to see, it makes a robber more noticeable. If the record was view online thru a website detectives could see who viewed the records giving them a list of possible suspects. What the nimrods at the newspaper did was to allow robbers to view this anonymously. From that standpoint there might be a winnable lawsuit.
  
  A response better than suing them where you probably lose is to boycott Gannett newspapers.
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:44pm
This is just the tip of the iceberg and there will be a death because of Barrys media,he’s using his media and bank of America to advance his gun ban agenda. He will attack from all angles because he knows an EO will do no good so he’s using different methods to achieve his ultimate goal,a total gun ban.

He’ll use the banks to put manufacturer’s out of business and he’s using his media to attack legal gun owners. A vile POS infects the oval office and this country will suffer many many years after he’s out of office.

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nacilbuper
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:41pm
If those guns are used to commit a murder the editor of the paper should be charged as an accessory to the crime.

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- barber2
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:51pm
  Remember Fast and Furious ? The Obama Administration is hoping that you and congress don’t ! Just like they want to evade the Benghazi murders . Same as the guns from the Libyan rebels which ended up in al Qaeda hands ! Shhhhh. Remember : just keep focusing on their distractions : Zimmerman or that Muhammed video !
  
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ibanrfknm
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:41pm
Is the paper still hiding?

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- stopprintn
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:03pm
  Judge Jeanine is on their case.
  
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/2090870999001/
  
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cactusjoe
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:40pm
Its all part of Dear leaders grand plan on re-education and wealth redistribution.

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kickagrandma
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:39pm
Now that’s a surprise, right? Too bad someone wasn’t INSIDE the house ready to defend it. I would suppose the owners can sue the paper, right? I would, for everything they’ve got and then some! And, I don’t believe in suing folks, but these folks deserve it.

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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:47pm
  I hope he sues the idiots who posted that list for all he can. Now that it has begun, its only a matter of time before the criminals use lethal force to acquire the guns. The repercussions of this will continue to endanger people for some time, especially the legal-owners of firearms.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:55pm
  SNOW: Is this part of the Alinsky goal of our Chicago radicals : ” to take power from those who have it, and give it to those who don’t ? ” Guess I didn’t realize that also included guns !?
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:07pm
  Thank God the owner was a responsible gun owner and had it in a safe. If you own a gun it should be on your person or know it is secured and know it’s where abouts at all times. I prefer open carry.
  
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- gyro
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:31pm
  Snowleopard nailed the topic exactly
  
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- Link8on
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:27pm
  The homes listed are now all targets of criminal activity such that only a deep discount to property value can justify a moving sale.
  
  Any owner with an such an address posting should sue for lost property value.
  
  The municipality(s) should sue the the publisher for the Millions each year in lost assessment tax value.
  
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