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Teacher Sues School District After Officials Demand She Remove Bible Verses, Religious Items From Her Classroom

Jan. 13, 2013 12:28pm Billy Hallowell

A Christian high school teacher in Cheektowaga, N.Y., is suing her employer after district officials told her to take personal signs and religious items out of her classroom. Joelle Silver, a science educator who has been working in the Cheektowaga Central School District for seven years, decided to take legal action after receiving a letter (read it here) asking her to comply with officials’ request.

So, what are the contentious messages and items in the classroom that were seen by officials as being problematic, you ask? WIVB-TV explains:

Silver had four small posters in her room with psalm verses on them, a poster with a religious quotation from Ronald Reagan, a drawing that the district said is reference to the crucifixion, a poster that had a Bible verse superimposed on the American flag and school books, among other items. The letter Silver received instructed her to take the items down and warned that failing to do so could lead to serious disciplinary consequences.

Superintendent Kane, who says he respects Silver’s teaching abilities, says the materials were found to be inappropriate and the district determined they needed to be removed.

Silver is being represented by the American Freedom Law Center, a group that handles religious liberty cases. The lawsuit, which has already been filed against the district, also names Board of Education President Brian J. Gould and Superintendent Dennis Kane.

Officials apparently became aware of the religious messages after a student complained to the Freedom From Religion Foundation, an atheist activist group devoted to church-state separatism. The group subsequently threatened to sue if proper action was not taken to address the matter.

“I believe that my First Amendment rights were violated last June when I was asked to do some things regarding taking some posters down and to censor my speech in the classroom,” Silver said of the actions that led her to file lawsuit. “As a Christian and as an American I feel it’s incredibly important to fight to protect the rights that people have died to give them.”

Joelle Silver Sues Cheektowaga Central School District Over Religious Messaging

Photo Credit: WIVB-TV

The teacher also claims that she was told that participating in the school’s Bible study club was forbidden, as it would look as though the district endorsed her actions. She also had a prayer box that WIVB-TV reports was ordered removed from her classroom as well, as it was being used during the school day.

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Un-Reconstructed
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:27pm
Based on what this particular district is opposed to, then Martin Luther King, Jr and his speeches should not be studied based upon his bible quotes and religious backed teachings.

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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:14pm
  That isn’t actually logic you’re using there. That’s just silliness.
  
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- henryKnox
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 4:59pm
  They are treating this teacher as though she is a federal employee. The Constitution doesn’t say anything about state employees and religion it only restricts the federal Congress from making any law restricting religion. If this teacher is a state employee she is free to practice religion in public.
  
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- Look4DBigPicture
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:07pm
  This teacher deserves to win her lawsuit. It’s also time for the atheists to be held accountable for their bullying.
  
  The Bible is full of inspirational verses and stories, which are just as valid and educational as the following quotes. (I bet her ‘boss’ would have no problem with her posting these.)
  
  “Imagine all of us living in peace, it’s too beautiful to just be a dream.”
  ~ John Lennon
  or
  “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.” (she is in NY – right?)
  ~ Karl Marx
  
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- TRUTHandFREEDOM
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:12pm
  And where IS that law?
  
  There are more law SUITS than law.
  
  Our founders set up Sunday Services in the House of Representatives, the War Dept office and the Treasury office. This occurred i the House for almost 3/4 of a century and NO Religion was established!
  
  The modern definition is not truth and it is not Jefferson’s.
  
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- LEGION57
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:14pm
  I SAY- HUNT DOWN THE COMPLAINING STUDENT AND FAMILY AND GIVE THEM H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS! Do what the ******** do for once- give them a taste of their own medicine. Time to defeat them with a scorched earth policy- take no prisoners- we are at total war. No compromising anymore as we always lose.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:45pm
  @henryknox
  for the last time…no state can violate the Constitution or any federal law. Period. Zero. That’s the whole list. See Article VI. Constitution is the supreme law of the land. If it’s not the 2nd or the 10th, most Blazers have evidently not read the Constitution.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:03pm
  HenryKnox, there is this thing called the 14th Amendment that has incorprorated the bill of rights onto the States.
  
  If this teacher wants to fill her classroom with religious non-sense she can go teach at a religious school.
  
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- JGraham III
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:20pm
  At last a Christian that isn’t going to lie down and be another doormat for Jesus just because the ACLU or Freedom From Religion threatens some legal action!. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion doesn’t just apply to the liberal/socialist mindset, but to all citizens, even if the speech or religion may be odious to some or even to the many. That is also why so called ‘hate speech’ is actually a Trojan horse for stripping First Amendment rights. Similarly, there is NO provision in the Constitution that says or implies that an individual has a right to be free from offence. The Founders well may have said to such pathetic ones who demand all the above, “suck it up, cupcake”.
  Furthermore, the rights of citizens cannot be abridged just because said citizen may hold a public sector job. This teacher has every right to have her beliefs and HOW can any normal thinking person (hmmm… here is a key to understanding liberals…the operative word is normal) that the mere presence of a bible constitutes establishment of anything except that its owner may know what it says. It is the right of her students not to believe the way she does even if she does not publically state her beliefs. It has been my opinion that the ACLU and FFRF are in fact establishing their own religion, namely humanism, by their bastardized views of the law. Birds of a feather… They are guilty of their own accusations. Imagine that!
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:54pm
  Those quotes are inspirational not religious. The ACLU and FFRF are a group of closet Communists. They don’t care about the Constitution, but wish to change it through judicial fiat.
  
  These leftist trolls are idiots. Am I creating an establishment of religion if as a Government employee I merely quote a bible verse? Idiots, the whole lot of them. The fourteenth amendment did not repeal any old powers, nor create any new.
  
  Did Jefferson create or sponsor an establishment of religion when he said in his famous Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom, “Almighty God hath created the mind free”?
  
  Did Lincoln create or sponsor an establishment of religion when he said in his famous Gettysburg Address, “that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom”?
  
  Did Roosevelt create or sponsor an establishment of religion when he said in his famous Military Pocket Bible given to troops, “As Commander-in-Chief, I take pleasure in commending the reading of the Bible to all who serve in the armed forces of the United States”?
  
  The ACLU, FFRF, and any other radical leftist organizations is a threat and danger to the foundations of this nation. Wake up America. Don’t let these leftist ignorant radicals take over the nation your fathers fought to protect and preserve for their posterity.
  
  Our rights are God given, and Governments are accountable to the same God.
  
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- Bill S.
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:05pm
  Apparently all the liberals on here ignore the history of the USA and that ALL 13 original states had a state religion before and after the Constitution was ratified. BTW the Jefferson letter confirmed this fact to the Danbury Baptist Church that the Federal Government wouldn’t establish a NATIONAL RELIGION. Liberal revisionists history won’t fly here. .
  
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- Caniac Steve
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 9:31pm
  Bam !! you told the truth !!
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 11:43pm
  henryKnox, the Supremacy Clause, The 14th amendment, and Civil Rights laws. Learn them.
  
  I’m sure every one of you would be outraged at the teacher if she was a muslim using passages from the koran… This place reeks of hypocrisy.
  
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- TreeTrimmerJim
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:32am
  You are about to learn about the long arm of Impact Aid. Impact Aid’s roots go back to the Great Depression and one of FDR’s stimulus programs to create jobs. In this case build schools.
  
  Once thing led to another between 1935 and 1950 which gave birth to the feds saying that instead of pay property taxes they will give aid to schools. Like a drug dealer the federal government gave aid to local schools. In the time it took to cash the first check the local school was dependent on those federal checks. So when attentions was called to the strings attached it was too late, local education was hooked on the federal drug of choice, money.
  
  Next came the teachers unions, text books followed by standardized testing.
  
  Today we rural communities going extinct, slums growing and our nation education ratings worldwide sliding to worst in the world.
  
  Started with good intentions. We now have government run mandatory attendance public education and its failing every community.
  
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- TreeTrimmerJim
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:39am
  Encinom… “If this teacher wants to fill her classroom with religious non-sense she can go teach at a religious school.”
  
  Or catch the nearest time machine to pre 1852 American public schools any state.
  
  Congress printed the first Bible in English in the United States and distributed it to schools.
  
  The first joint meeting of congress was in a church within minutes after George Washington took the oath of office at which he added those famous words “So help me God” to the oath written in the Constitution.
  
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- UnwantedFoe
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 2:33am
  @Encinom
  
  14th amendment – “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States”
  
  This teacher has the right to display religious phrases or sayings in her classroom. Inspirational passages aren’t harmful nor threatening. YOU need to learn about the Constitution mate.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 9:11am
  @Look4dbigpicture
  
  “The Bible is full of inspirational verses and stories”
  
  However, the majority of the ones she chose had to do with sin and God, not with non-religious inspirational ones.
  
  I think she did the right thing in taking down the posters and removing the prayer box (no offense, but what do they have to do with a science class? Sin is not scientific).
  I think she did the wrong thing by saying the student who complained lacks integrity and has as much honor as someone who cheats on a final exam.
  I think she will lose her lawsuit, but will keep her job and her position as the faculty sponsor of the Bible-study extracurricular club.
  
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- Just_Us2
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 12:47pm
  So if the Apostle Paul is quoted it is banned, but if MLK quotes Paul, then it is OK? Is it OK to post quotes of MLK where he is quoting the bible? If it is, then problem solved. If not, then yes, you would have to ban MLK from the classroom along with several other historical figures. It sounds as though the state is trying to squash free speech. The teacher in not forcing students to follow a religion for a grade, that only happens in Islamic schools. You are treading on a slippery slope when you go after quotes that are hanging on a wall….it opens to door to associating any person, even BHO with a bible quote and thus banning that individual from the classroom. Think that’s a stretch? Look at how the 2nd amendment is being massaged and torn apart.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 1:11pm
  @justus2
  
  “Look at how the 2nd amendment is being massaged and torn apart.”
  
  People massage the US Constitution? That’s… well, kinda creepy.
  
  I think the question that still needs to be answered is: if she’s teaching science, why does she need “inspirational” quotes about God and sin that are entirely unrelated to the material that she’s teaching?
  
  I could understand having famous quotes (even from the Bible) in a literature class. I could understand having quotes about religion in a religion class. I could understand having quotes from famous historical figures (like Reagan) in a history class.
  
  But none of those made a lick of sense in a science class. Four of the items removed included:
  “A poster reading: “Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin… wash me and I will be whiter than snow.” – Psalm 51:2,7
  A poster reading: “The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; My God, my strength, and whom I will trust.” – Psalm 18:2
  A poster reading: “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands.” – Psalm 19:1
  A poster reading: “Let them praise the name of the Lord, for His name alone is exalted, His splendor is above the Earth and the heavens.” – Psalm 148:13″
  
  That’s preachy, and has nothing to do with course material that likely any teacher would cover in a public school.
  
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- Just_Us2
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 2:44pm
  Sorry Locked, there is no law that dictates that a science teacher’s speech is limited to science only. What the constitution does say is, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” If the school can show that the teacher is attempting to establish a religion the she is violating the rights of the children. I do believe the teacher has a case where the government is prohibiting the free exercise of the teacher’s religion. This would go for any religion, so if she chose to have sign that was pro islamic, then she is free to do that. The government cannot dictate what religion you follow. You cannot ban signs in schools because they are religious, you could only ban all signs. If the school is prepared to ban all signs from the walls of a classroom, then there is no discrimination. This is why when a nativity is taken down, all other religious symbols are removed as well. You have to either wipe it clean or you have to allow it, you cannot pick and choose speech that you feel is offensive and specifically, religious speech. That violates the rights of the teacher. If you read the constitution clearly, no other conclusion can be made, unless you are a liberal….then you are exempt from logic and you just go with your feelings….because how you FEEL trumps all. This is why they kill each other every day…because YOUR feelings trump others feelings and you settle it by murder.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 4:08pm
  @just_us2
  
  “there is no law that dictates that a science teacher’s speech is limited to science only.”
  
  But there’s is a valid constitutional and judicial backing that says these sorts of displays are unconstitutional.
  
  “I do believe the teacher has a case where the government is prohibiting the free exercise of the teacher’s religion.”
  
  As a public employee, displaying these posters in her role as an educator and on public property, she is blatantly in the wrong.
  
  “This would go for any religion, so if she chose to have sign that was pro islamic, then she is free to do that.”
  
  False.
  
  “The government cannot dictate what religion you follow.”
  
  True.
  
  “You cannot ban signs in schools because they are religious, you could only ban all signs.”
  
  False. It is the contents, not the signs themselves, which are problematic. What you’re suggesting is like saying you can’t ban shirts with profanity, you can only make all students go topless.
  
  “If you read the constitution clearly…”
  
  Then you are somewhat arrogant for thinking your “clear” interpretation rivals the Supreme Court’s, and unrealistic for ignoring judicial review and over 200 years of our legal history.
  
  “…unless you are a liberal….then you are exempt from logic and you just go with your feelings….because how you FEEL trumps all.”
  
  You realize this is exactly what you just did by ignoring the Supreme Court’s rulings and saying only your reading is “clear,” ri
  
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Angel_light
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:12pm
If you read the letter they sent her they quote the Constitution’s First Amendment:
“…Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people
peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress
of grievances….”

What don’t people understand about this?? This does not translate to- “you are not allowed to show any support/paraphernalia for your religion” What it is saying is that the gov’t and no one else can tell you that you can’t show your religion or practice it. Maybe people need to learn how to read old English.

And in regard to one of the posters depicted above, what the h*ll is so evil about acting with love?

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- Kupo
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:49pm
  I’m just curious whether or not you would be equally as supportive of a teacher who layered her walls with verses from the Koran or Scientology propaganda.
- OlefromMN
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:54pm
  They missed the very clear meaning of …”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.
  
  We provide prayer rooms in schools for those of the Muslim faith yet this teacher is punished. With good representation I see that school district being set back financially and in policy. I hope she fights hard and doesn’t accept a cheesy settlement. This case could set precedent.
  
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- TH777
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:06pm
  @Kupo: The koran is NOT a book from this Country. NO, it should not be taught in our schools. Courts do not have you place you hand on a koran. It is placed on the Bible! Idiot!!
  
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- thinkingoutloud
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:28pm
  The teacher is assigning a proper citation to a quote. The content of the quote is hopefully a universal value. The quote was from Corinthinians and therefore objectionable to those intent on decimating free speech and freedom OF religion. If the teacher cited a quote from Mao, Stalin or some other evil person it would of been totally acceptable to the liberal establishment. Parents must be on guard when the National Common Core Curriculum is rolled out and should demand of their representatives that ALL educational material that the student must learn be available to parents to read. Since physical books are being eliminated in schools the ability of parents to know what children are being taught is going by the wayside leaving education as a monopoly only to the government.
  
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- radiobob
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:33pm
  She was doing subtle proselytizing via her displays. You have to wonder what she talked about. She is discriminating against any non Christian. When those Jehova’s Witnesses knock on my door, I just tell them, politely, I’m opposed to the practice.
  
  If this were my teacher I would have removed the objects myself.
  
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- 1FreeVoice
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:39pm
  responding to a couple of comments:
  
  Freedom of religion means all religions, not just the popular ones.
  
  If the witness was a muslim have him swear by something HE believes in. If he doesn’t believe in the bible, what’s the point of having him swear on it?
  
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- TH777
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 4:08pm
  1FREEVOICE: Well then I recommend they stay in their own Country. Just because we allow immigration doesn’t mean we have to adjust to “their” country’s beliefs. This is still America!!
  
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- kdshell1
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 4:11pm
  Because Muslims are instructed to lie to infidels to further Islam, upon what would a Muslim swear or affirm (even the Qu’ran) such that we could trust them?
  
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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 4:34pm
  Root: the PUBLIC schools are GOVERNMENT institutions — they ‘own’ them. They CREATED them. They control them. As a State licensed public school ‘agent,’ she is fully aware, or should be fully aware – the mandates come down from on high. It’s not her ballpark – she doesn’t get to make the rules, rather play by them or pick up her bat and glove and find another ballpark or create her OWN. Does she have the privilege to do that in her classroom? Privileges are not rights. Big difference… depends on who the central authority is making the rules is (superintendent following mandates from the State Board of Indoctrination)
  
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- antitheism
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 4:51pm
  @TH777
  Both compilation of lies come from the Middle East.
  
  Your series of lies tells you to treat immigrants just as you would a native born.
  
  You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God. -Leviticus 24 22
  
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- Arab-American
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:00pm
  @ KUPO
  
  Of course a teacher would be allowed to do that! It doesn’t really matter what religion you are, you still have freedom of speech as an American, as well as freedom of religion. However, there has been an ongoing attack against Christians in the US, and their right to express themselves openly as Christians. A Muslim, an Atheist, and a Christian should all have equal right to express themselves, their opinions and beliefs. What this teacher has done is simply that. She did not tell her students they must believe or agree with her posters.
  
  The real question for you to answer: if those exact quotes had come from other obscure sources and not directly from the biblical text or from a conservative president, etc, would they have bothered anyone?
  
  Answer: I doubt it.
  If those were quotes from Mark Twain or Confucius, no one would have said a thing. It was the source of each passage that incited such an illegitimate reaction from the student and the school board, not the passage itself.
  
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- TERossi
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:32pm
  There’s always some know-nothing, Useful Idiot for Cultural Marxism blathering about the Koran. Yes, they really are that stupid.
  
  The Koran is the exact opposite of everything the Founders created, which is why Libs love it so much.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:47pm
  @th777
  the bible is not a book from this country either. Book of Mormon? Yes. Bible? afraid not.
  
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- HigherRoad
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:35pm
  @Thinkingoutloud: You are so right! Regarding electronic textbooks, this is an opportunity to completely rewrite history along with the Bible. All references to Jesus as Son of God could be electronically erased. Many in this generation do not have a solid foundation in Scripture and would never know the difference! Maybe that’s why there is such an outcry for the total removal of any reference to the Ten Commandments or passages from the Bible. We already know that history is being rewritten in classroom textbooks and taught from the Marxist perspective in colleges and universities. All the more reason to fight the suppression of religious freedom! Our Founding Fathers may not have envisioned electronic media, but they certainly understood the potential of man to do evil.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:58pm
  TH777
  
  Are you really trying to tell me that the Bible is a book from this country? And you call me the idiot? The geographical origin of the Koran is far closer to that of the Bible than the United States is. You also ignored my mention of Scientology, which actually IS a religion of American origin, unlike Christianity.
  
  Why not actually read the post of the person I was responding to? By their way of thinking, one would have to acknowledge the right of a teacher who believes in Islam or Scientology or whatever to have such propaganda displayed as well. However, I highly doubt that the vast majority of people on The Blaze would be in any way okay with that.
  
  The problem here is that you are arguing for allowing this teacher’s Bible passages when she essentially has a captive audience forced to be exposed to them. If freedom of religion/free speech really applies here then you should also be completely okay with that teacher who stomped on the American flag or those who tout the glories of Progressivism to your captive audience children. We both know very well that you are not okay with such things though, which makes you a hypocrite.
  
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- HigherRoad
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:15pm
  @MARINE25: The Bible obviously did not originate in this country, but America was founded on the Judaeo-Christian precepts of the Bible. Just take a stroll through Washington, D. C. and note the many references to God and Scripture inscribed on the national monuments. I know of no references by the Founding Fathers to the Qur’an.
  
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- valiant1776
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:24pm
  The Government is mandating that she show no expressions based on religious content or sources. In fact, the Government is silencing her, and censoring her. That’s a Constitutional violation of her rights and conscious. Congress can not violate the free exercise thereof. The teacher used those quotes for personal inspiration, not for religious services. The quotes do not represent any Establishment of Religion. Theism is not an “Establishment”. Mormonism and Presbyterianism is. Idiots that oppose her are the same idiots that oppose the Pledge of Allegiance for the mere use of the word “God”. I hope all you liberal morons show much grief when President Obama violates your “right from religion” when he allows Prayer, and takes his Oath on the Holy Bible during an official Governmental function, the Inaugural Ceremony.
  
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- environmentalandawake
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:32pm
  @Angel, that is actually new english and you’re right it should be perfectly interpretable….We have let the left go too far off the reservation.
  
  @Thinkingoutloud, seems to me that they not only want to avoid that pesky bible quote thing, but also are afraid of teaching the Constitution as it was originally written and the subversions, inversions, and perversions it has suffered from its conception
  
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- piper60
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:35am
  These outrages seem to originate in the upper levels ofplitical correctness and crack pot educational rgeoryseems to consist of education school faculty administrators and graduates with far too much time on their hands
  
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- piper60
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:39am
  Prohibiting the free exercise of re;igion is unconstitutional.
  
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- Misty Williams
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 11:53am
  Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has altered the meaning of the First Amendment, as progressives and liberals have needed it altered to silence God. What you read in the Constitution? Yeah, that’s not really what your First Amendment rights are anymore. The Supreme Court decided the First Amendment means that the fedgov gets to silence Christians and Jews and other religious people (unless they’re a protected class like Islamists) if they want to, and that speech against religion is protected. The part in there that says “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” only applies if the Government you work for chooses to allow you to enjoy “free exercise”. Please note, the CONGRESS did not pass any law that limits the free exercise thereof, that was done by the Supreme Court. So the Constitution was not trampled. And if you believe that, I have a lakefront ski chalet right next to the lifts, in beautiful Death Valley, I’ll happily sell you.
  
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pickup1988
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:12pm
The school did the right thing. The hypocrites on this board criticizing the school wouldn’t be if it was their children and the sayings in the classroom were from the Quran….

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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:45pm
  Try us, Pickup. Give us some examples of loving, peaceful quotes from the Qu’ran.
  
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- catty
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:48pm
  Exactly
  
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- Need to be FREE
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:54pm
  No worries on that. The government wound not say a word against it.
  
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- honeydijon13
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:03pm
  She was probably sneaking ‘intelligent design’ into the lessons too.
  She sounds like a zealot troublemaker who knew that she was pushing button.
  They are ALL tinplate phonies.
  
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- BigCanadianIrish
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:03pm
  wouldnt it be nice to have koranic verses in our schools?…..remember these gems from the “religion of peace”….
  slew the unbelievers wherever you find them
  the rocks will say, theres a jew behind me, come and kill him…
  most of the inhabitants are women….(women are bad and not very smart)
  as soon as the USA and Canada are free from islam and muslims the better off we will be.
  
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Tractorboy
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:10pm
The FFRF is a tool of satan. Their promise of Freedom is satan’s lie, their only wish is to clear the path to sin, SIN IS SLAVERY…and the road to death and separation from the Lord.

I was blessed yesterday to break bread with a few of the men from City Mission near Cheetowaga, at our Iron Mens breakfast, BTW may Gods peace and love be with them…those guys could tell you what a lie that it is to live for ones self in the secular world, many of those guys struggled with, the lies of satan, his promise of happiness, through money, power, women, drugs, etc and it wasn’t till they were to live in the Gospel, that they be truly alive and fulfilled…their struggles are big, and I want to thank the Lord for a chance to see a bit of his work in them…I will be praying for them, and this teacher in their battle against satan and his’s minions. God Bless

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- kickagrandma
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:17pm
  @TRACTORBOY ~~~Thank you for your service and GOD BLESS!
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:36pm
  @KICKAGRANDMA, Thank you for your kind words, Stay strong in the faith sister… May God use us in his Kingdom….May God’s peace and grace be with you.
  
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- YOURSENSEI
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 4:52pm
  This is what you must know:
  
  This teacher and all like her should be put in stocks in the public square.
  
  It is so.
  
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- Spitfire1938
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 7:10pm
  @NONSENSI
  Perhaps you’ve been too isolated from reality lately and haven’t heard… Stocks are just ‘not’ a good investment right now!
  
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Johann
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:06pm
When I was in the public schools teaching Latin and German; I put up a poster with the Our Father in Latin (Pater Noster). I never heard one thing from the administration or other teachers. I realized that very few of the people who work in public schools are skilled in another language and most of them struggle with English. So I was safe surrounded by the ignorance of the government controlled school workers. The secret is to not make it obvious; most American educators and politicians are not very bright and it is east to outwit them which we will have to do more and more in the future of the Communist States of America..

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- kdshell1
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:16pm
  All government agencies and employees work for and serve “We The People” (WTP). The government has no money except for what it forcibly takes from WTP (or creates out of thin air via the Fed thereby diminishing the value of WTP’s money). It’s not the government’s (the servant’s) money; the WTP’s money! WTP fund education through our taxes, and therefore should be able to spend our “share” on whatever education we desire for our children and grandchildren. Any official, employee, or agency that spends the money contrary to the will of WTP should be fired. WTP should not have to spend extra money to receive the desired education for their children or grandchildren, unless of course one is a progressive and believes all things (money, children, possessions, rights, etc) belong to or originate from the central government, which allows WTP to have that of which we’re “worthy.” But, then, that is not the American Republic, but Marxism.
  
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- kdshell1
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:32pm
  I’m sorry, but this previous message was meant as response to STANDINGUPFORAMERICA.
  
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- piper60
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:43am
  The higher you go in the educator bureaucracy the more nonsense you find.
  
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StandingUpForAmerica
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:04pm
Take our Children out of Public school. No students no tax dollars, Problem gone. Teach our children work skills and morals. America is in the dumps because the school system does not turn out productive members of society. Churches need to come together and start schools that turns out a vastly different product then that of the public school system. The big lie we have been living has started to reveal itself. The time to to fix it is now.

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- 1FreeVoice
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:29pm
  Private schools are great…. I would have enrolled my son in a Christian school a year or so ago if I could have afforded it. My tax dollars go to supporting socialist indoctrination and freedom from public display of conscience. I cannot draw on those tax dollars to get an education for my son that is not under their control.
  
  Nothing is free. Homeschooling is hard, and private schools even supported by the church are not really an available option for everyone. Do what you can, and fight for the right to say what you believe.
  
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The-Monk
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:58pm
Test…

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- Jake Dog2
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:17pm
  Monk
  Test received
  
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kdshell1
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:53pm
It’s amazing how twisted government agencies have become in violating the Constitution in the name of the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers, who wrote the Constitution and its Amendments and therefore are the first source concerning its meaning, themselves repeatedly put the Bible as the PRIMARY source and aid for education and said that a clear understanding of Biblical principles was perquisite to life in America and the continuation of our Republic. As such, they repeatedly referred to the government not establishing a national Christian religion, as in a specific denominational church (such as the Church of England), although states WERE free to establish state churches. Moreover, the First Amendment tells government to stay out of church affairs or religious issues and does NOT require churches or religious organizations to stay out of governmental affairs. In fact, the Founding Fathers exhorted churches to have and maintain a close moral advisory role in governmental matters. After all, ALL LAWS ARE MORAL PRESCRIPTIONS AND REGULATION. The issue is WHOSE morality. The Founding Fathers prescribed God’s morality as instructed through scripture and therefore closely followed (mirrored) scripture in writing the Constitution, which is the ultimate law of the land.
The school board, any governmental agency, and any official that violates this should be held financially and legally responsible for violating these principles and removed from their positions.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:04pm
  what about the muslim teacher that puts up Koran verses….Allowed or not allowed?
  
  If you claim this is “freedom of religion”, then the muslim must also be allowed. If claim the states have the power to establish religion – you are wrong because that was eliminated with the indoctrination clause of the 14th amendment
  
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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:05pm
  Excellent, KDSHELL!
  
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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:13pm
  Soybomb, do you have some examples? I say allowed as long as they’re peaceful. Also, my understanding is that the true Qu’ran is only in Arabic. All others are interpretations. So again, as long as they’re peaceful, fine with me.
  
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- kdshell1
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:47pm
  The displaying of ANY “scriptural” writings or teachings should be permitted as long as they
  (1) are freely explored and discussed and
  (2) don’t promote or teach violence (much of the Qu’ran or Koran would be excluded because of direct teaching and exhortations to kill infidels or nonbelievers or anyone who questions or criticizes the Qu’ran or Islamic leaders).
  It’s also important to keep in mind that
  (1) the English Koran is NOT a complete and accurate translation of the original Qu’ran but downplays the Qu’ran’s terrorism writings and
  (2) therefore makes Islam a religion, not of peace, but of hatred and terrorism and further
  (3) advocates, morally allows, and some say even requires lying to infidels to further Islam (how does that impact any Muslim swearing or affirming to protect and defend the Constitution?).
  
  The study of other religions are likewise beneficial if done honestly, with opportunity for questions and even criticisms. A “study” that is incomplete and restricted is open to indoctrination and brainwashing from the teacher. For example, Americans in studying the English versions of Islamic writings are NOT learning the full extent of the Islam. This is critical because, progressives, who scream long and hard against Christianity in government and falsely declare that it would imposed a Christian theocracy, think nothing of supporting Sharia Law which would impose an Islamic theocracy, because Islam is religion, government and mili
  
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- TH777
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:30pm
  @KDSHELL1: You are so on this!! Great job!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 5:18pm
  First of all….The bible was not written in english – it was hebrew (OT) and latin (NT)….so i dont understand your translation argument
  
  Second of all….There are peaceful parts of the Koran….I dont think you have ever seen it. Of course there are bad parts, but you can find plenty of parts that have nothing to do with violence. Also, there are lots of violent parts of the bible….Have you ever read Joshua?
  
  Third of all….All of you would go bat crazy if they tried to put koran verses in the classroom and you know it. dont pretend like you would be cool with it.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 8:54am
  @Soybomb
  
  “it was hebrew (OT) and latin (NT)….so i dont understand your translation argument”
  
  The New Testament was originally written in Greek, not Latin. It was later translated.
  
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wordweaver
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:41pm
The Presidential Inauguration will include an invocation and benediction, as do sessions of Congress, yet God forbid we expose our youngsters to Biblical truths. I weep for our nation.

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USAOneNationUnderGod
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:35pm
Well said SunDaisy. Whose reason Soybomb? Emancipation and women’s suffrage were won by faith and reason, not reason alone. It was right and true. Thou shalt not steal and Love your neighbor as yourself.

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kickagrandma
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:35pm
Prayers for her for strength to fight the battle.

When I teach and when I taught there were GOD messages all over the place. I prayed over my classroom and each desk before each school year started. I prayed over, for and about my students. There were some students who didn’t like it I’m sure, but they had been reared property not to make a big deal out of it without coming to me first. No one student ever did. I began teaching at age 22 and at 68 years still am at it.

Screw the ffr group. They are otherwise known as muslimes, atheists, agnostics and whatever name they choose. Go live in Europe. Those countries decided decades ago they didn’t need or want CHRIST or CHRISTIANITY. they are so lost.

WE THE PEOPLE long for our JESUS, our GOD, the HOLY SPIRIT and our COUNTRY.

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- QuincySmith
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:06pm
  Thank you, Grandma!
  
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- catty
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:54pm
  We the people
  Only if you are like me.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:35pm
Speaking of christianity – did anyone see that Ray Lewis post-game interview? I hope he goes on to do good things

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8840307/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-visits-ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-locker-room-postgame

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banjarmon
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:33pm
School boards are being seletive in how they inforce the First Amendent

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- banjarmon
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:49pm
  Sorry for the miss spelled words …I hit the wrong key before spell checking!!!
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:18pm
“free speech” does not apply here. She is an employee of the government and her classroom is owned by the government. Therefore, she must comply with the rules of the employer or quit. She has a choice whether to work according to the demands of the employer or find another job.

At my private sector workplace, the same rules apply. I cannot say or do whatever I want because I do not own the business

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:27pm
  Really? I bet you believe the constitution say’s separation of church and state. It’s a public school and she is part of the public. Her taxes pay’s for that school also. There is NO separation of church and state. This is what is wrong with our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:36pm
  Hey Toybomb. She is an employee of the taxpayer. The taxpayers have no problem with inspirational themes. just because they appeared in the bible does not make them religious. they were put there by MAN from scripts of the past. Get a clue. If she put up Islamic crapp though, it would be entirely different because islam is an assault on the senses and evil to the core. Islam is not a religion.
  And this is a local issue, no matter how much the feds want to get their grubby paws in there because of ‘mandates’ they reroute federal taxes to.
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:37pm
  Keep government out of religion…DON”T KEEP RELIGION OUT OF GOVERNMENT!!!
  
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- Gator6355
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:37pm
  Actually, her classroom and her employer are the people, not the government. The government is the people and its power, such as it is, derives from the people. Your attempt to give monolithic “power” to “the government” fails to understand simple civics. She has a right to free speech and to practice her religion just as a soldier does. The fact she works for a school district, funded by property taxes, not the general tax fund, does not restrict her rights. Now, if she is ACTIVELY trying to proselytise, the school may have a say in telling her to not do so; however, attending Bible Study meetings does not constitute such.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:39pm
  @civilwarcometh
  Assuming she lives in that school district, yes her taxes pay for it. So do the taxes of atheists, buddhists, muslims, non-practicing christians, and corporations. But can a government school satisfy all those taxpayers?
  
  The point is that if they allow a christian to post those things, then they must also allow the muslim teacher as well. Will you stand for that? You either have to allow all of it – or nothing at all. Our Constitution does not allow tyranny of the majority – that is how government is supposed to work
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:51pm
  Problem is you think islam is a religion. It is a cult. Their is a difference. You can call anything a religion and that’s the problem…
  
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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:02pm
  Soybomb… As for other quotes being displayed in a classroom, sure as long as they’re peaceful and do not harm others. Having grown up in the public school system, I certainly remember positive quotes from various sources being displayed in our schools. No harm done. I am a devout Catholic.
  
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- QuincySmith
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:12pm
  soybean;
  
  The government (supposedly) works for me. How do you explain that?
  
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- Baerlin
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:56pm
  There is no such thing as a public school. These are government schools. If they were public schools, we would have more say in what was taught and how they were run. Or have you tried to make a curriculum suggestion/change lately?
  
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Witness1974
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:03pm
The more they try to drive Christianity out of the public square, the louder we should get. We all have a right to speak the truth in love, where ever that might be. Restrictions of our religious liberty by government is unconstitutional. Believers should start bringing civil rights suits against these atheist groups.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:28pm
  @Witness1974
  We would be better served trying to find a way around the roadblock instead of blowing it up.,,,
  
  Private school and homeschool is the answer. If “conservatives” would pick up the issue of school choice and vouchers, the problem would be solved (although then the conservative talking heads would have less to complain about). The answer is clearly not government school
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:16pm
  soybomb315_II
  
  If half the students in a district homeschool or go to private school then then school district should levy less taxes and it should be proportionate.
  
  If one year 10,000 students go to public schools & then next year 5,000 students attend public school, tax levies need to decrease 30% to 50%.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:55pm
  I agree with what all of you have said. Nevertheless it is our duty to God to proclaim the Gospel in season and out of season. We cannot cloister ourselves or allow government to shut us up. Sinners need the Gospel and they are in the public square. What did Peter do after the Sanhedran had him beaten for preaching? He went right out and preached again.
  
  As far as Christianity and communism being incompatible, it certainly is but it is a fact that despite that, the church in communist China has grown enormously and even in the most represive regime, North Korea, there is after all these years, a growing church. God has chosen to use us to spread the message of Salvation! Who are these puny blasphemers to think they can stop that message?
  
  Yes we are promised suffering if we lead obedient, Godly lives. I say, bring it on! God has the power and resources to support everyone who will obey Him.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:07pm
  @WITNESS1974
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:55pm
  I agree with what all of you have said.
  —————————————–
  And I agree with you.
  I just despise the all too common stereotype of christians as sheep ripe for slaughter.
  Not this one I assure you. Just because you’re a person of faith doesnt mean you
  cannot defend yourself, your family or your freedoms. Sometimes evil must be met
  with force, and yes, even violence.
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on January 14, 2013 at 9:18am
  bodybag, . . . in what way are you willing to be violent?
  
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:03pm
Believe it or not, God is always with us even with those that disagree with us. God gave us free will so we can either have morals and ethics or be doomed. If any one is ashamed of God that is their loss.

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sparky239
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:01pm
Well the way she feels and how the school indoctrinating of our children are today, I feel she is and has been helping the students find something to hold onto other than gangs and other criminal enterprises,I believe she should be helped and not chastised for being a good American and an instrument of education…There has been no way shape or form proven that she has been violating the church and state separation..I hope she prevail in her law suite ..WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF EDUCATION THAT WORKS IN OUR SCHOOLS..

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stopprintn
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:59pm
A school district that spends $6,900 per child just to transport the little munchkins, ought to be able to defend a good teacher who benefits all. Where are the principaled leadership types in administration ? They can’t all be marxist commie conspirators… Can they?

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sundaisy91
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:57pm
who’d a thunk? Freedom from Religion is involved. And, again, as with all their “cases” it is only 1 person who is offended. Why do we continually bow down to the wishes of 1 person? Why can’t they s##k it up and just not look at the quotes. If you dont like it, tough. Other kids may find inspiration in the Ronald Reagan quote–why take it from them? I find certain shirts that coworkers wear to be offensive, but i dont ask them to change or turn them inside out, i just dont look at them. I recall in one of the newscasts after the Newtown incident, someone said, “Where was God? Why wasnt God here?” Well, here’s your answer. God was kicked out in the 60′s when school prayer was stopped, and he continues to be kicked out today when teachers like this are not allowed to express their freedom OF religion. And for all you who will scream “separation of church and state” please note once and for all–There is no separation clause in the constitution or in the bill of rights. and by posting some proverbs and quotations that she likes the teacher is NOT trying to establish a religion, she is merely exercising her freedom OF religion. Same freedom you use when you post your billboards and bus signs saying that life is fine without God. You FFR people want to use the same freedom you would deny others–you are such hypocrites.

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- ranepowel
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 10:39pm
  I love people that bring up God and school. I mean, really…you think Newton happened because God was kicked out of schools? So all those priests that molested little boys, I mean wasn’t God allowed in the church?
  
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LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:51pm
Its part of the progressive assault on morality. If you promote morals, decency and ethics, you will be attacked by the left.

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COFemale
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:44pm
FFRF needs to fought and fought hard. The more we make them lose their lawsuits the less likely they will be quick to file one. They are a nuisance group and needs to be squashed.

I do think the prayer box should be removed, but to tell the teacher she can’t participate in the schools Bible study is wrong. If it is on her own time and not during class time, but maybe during lunch or her free time, the school needs to shut up.

If you are so threatened by a poster with words on it, you have some serious mental issues and should get those addressed before you get out into the real world.

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- Desertcatn
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 3:47pm
  Also, go to their website and see who their supporters are, many Hollywood types; don’t support their movies!
  
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Faith_Grace
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:42pm
Will be praying for this young teacher and her fight. We need more like her. I, like her, have several references from the Bible around my office. I work in retail. I have not had anyone “offended” as of yet by my messages of Blessings. I am awaiting the day. Better believe I will be ready for the fight, too! God Bless those ready to stand up for God and his word.

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- NiModo
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:06pm
  Yes. God bless those that are standing up to these types of attacks.
  
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65Mustang
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:42pm
Have we reached the point that only the illiterate members of the American Freedom Law Center, an Obama front, will be the calling the shots.

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jcldwl
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:37pm
Lord bless this woman for taking a stand in an environment that makes it so hard to do. Let us learn from her example what we all must do to stand up for you. Amen

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soybomb315_II
Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:35pm
its not a big deal as long as the school would make a teacher remove koran versus as well

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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:48pm
  Religious traditions underpin everything we do whether we know it or not. Thus is true even of atheists. A car out of gas will still coast a ways until if finally rolls to a halt.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 12:57pm
  I’m going to view Christians the same way Christian views homosexuals in public.
  
  “Look, you can be a Christian, but why do you have to shove it in my face?”
  
  Stop trying to shove that “Christian lifestyle” on me.
  
  Okay, I get that you’re a Christian, but why are you SO Christian?
  
  The “Christian agenda” is trying to indoctrinate our children into accepting Christianity.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:02pm
  we should not base our decisions on tradition and mysticism. We should base them on reason……We had a tradition of saying blacks were not people and that women could not vote – but when we realized that reason was against it, so we changed the way it was.
  
  I agree that it would be nice if 95% of americans were practicing christians, but the number is probably around 25%. If you say a teacher should be allowed to have bible verses, then you must also allow the teachers who put up Koran verses. I would rather not have Koran verses in public school so my position is to prevent GOVERNMENT schools from having anything to do with religion.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:09pm
  It is indeed funny to see you worship a man who preached tolerance, love, respect, equality and not to be judgmental. You even wear his method of torturous demise around your necks, in your homes, in your places and worship, even habging from the rearview mirror in the car. Yet you CIRO’s do the exact opposite.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:12pm
  sorry – my previous post was in response to walkabout
  
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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:43pm
  Islam should not even be considered a religion in the first place. Call it what it is. A made up cult. I know who wrote the koran. Fleabagger’s did. But i know no one know’s who wrote the bible and that is a fact.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 1:57pm
  ModerationIsBest
  
  I’m going to view Christians the same way Christian views homosexuals in public.
  ***
  Go ahead. We are not the one’s that need sex change operation & Manhattan Projects to solve the AIDS crisis (or the syphilis scourge of the 1500 & 1600s).
  
  I don’t go gay bashing, but I also don’t say let’s get together & watch some football or some other social gathering. If you exclude me from social gatherings, wonderful. I won’t be catching any liberal memes from you. You are in a state of viremia now.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 2:24pm
  @WALKABOUT
  
  You just proved what kind of person you are.
  
  You let your unholy book dictate who you spend time with and how you are to judge them.
  
  So basically, all you will do is “tolerate” people who you disagree with but won’t actually get to know them for the type of person they are and their actions.
  
  I’m not a Christian, but a lot of my friends are and I enjoy spending time with them and love them very much.
  I’m not gay, but I have gay friends and enjoy spending time with them and love them.
  I’m not Jewish, but I have a few friends who are and enjoy spending time with them and love them.
  I’m not transgender, but I have a friend who is and I enjoy spending time with her.
  I’m not black, but I have a few friends who are and enjoy spending time with them.
  
  Do you think I care whether or not you hang out with me or my friends?
  
  Continue to seclude yourself, and only spend time with people you think your unholy book dictates and you will continue to see your religion go into obscurity.
  
  Acting the way you do will only continue to turn people off from Christianity, which is fine by me.
  
  The less people who think human sacrifice is a good thing the better.
  The less people who think people that disagree with them are going to get punished FOREVER the better
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:56pm
  I have had gay friend. After meeting a bunch of gays they were all about what are you going to do for them or for the cause.
  
  Why should I hang out with someone who is going to pervert education& science?
  Why should hang out with someone who makes HR a nightmare?
  Why should hang out with someone who makes medical costs skyrocket?
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 6:59pm
  Moderation,
  Why are you here? Do you agree with people on other topics here except for religion or are you doing missionary work?
  
  There is the 7 tenths rule. If you agree with people 7 tenths of the time then you considers them part of the party, group whatever?
  
  Do you practice the 0 tenths rule? You just come here to biatch at us?
  
  ***
  Unholy book? Tell us us what you really think!
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on January 13, 2013 at 8:13pm
  @WALKABOUT
  
  Haha, what kind of people do you hang out in general with then? I’ve had 4 or 5 gay friends and none of them have talked about any “cause” or anything of the sort.
  
  “Why should I hang out with someone who is going to pervert education& science?” Yup, cause religion has never done and still doesn’t try to do ANYTHING to pervert education and science.
  
  “Why should hang out with someone who makes HR a nightmare?” So does religion.
  
  “Why should hang out with someone who makes medical costs skyrocket?” This is so disingenuous I think you almost said it for a laugh. Do you hang out with overweight people? They make medical costs skyrocket. If that’s your basis determining your friends, I would think you wouldn’t have many friends.
  
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