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If you hear God speak audibly, does that mean that you’ve gone insane — or, at the least, that you’re in the process of completely losing your marbles?
This is the very question that Tanya Marie Luhrmann, a psychological anthropologist at Stanford University in Stanford, Calif., asked in a CNN opinion piece last month. The academic’s answer? Typically, an individual who reports God speaking directly is not crazy.
TheBlaze has organized a special poll to ask about any intriguing interactions you have had with a higher power. While some readers may believe that direct connection between God and man is possible, others will likely dismiss such a notion. Regardless, the poll (at the bottom of this article) is intended to understand whether or not you’ve experienced these interactions, while gauging your opinion on the matter.
Many people, including some Christians, might scoff at the idea of hearing a literal voice that is attributable to a higher power, but experts like Lurhmann argue that the phenomenon is not entirely rare. Certainly Biblical scriptures document it, but the professor notes that people in contemporary society also report hearing back from God — and, yes, sometimes even in an audible fashion.
“Hearing a voice when alone, or seeing something no one else can see, is pretty common,” Luhrmann writes. “At least one in 10 people will say they’ve had such an experience if you ask them bluntly. About four in 10 say they have unusual perceptual experiences between sleep and awareness if you interview them about their sleeping habits.”
Luhrmann further explained this dynamic, nothing the differences between those who are crazy and, as a result, hear voices — and those who claim to hear God directly speaking to them:
And if you ask them in a way that allows them to admit they made a mistake, the rate climbs even higher. By contrast, schizophrenia, the most debilitating of all mental disorders, is pretty rare. Only about one in 100 people can be diagnosed with the disorder.
Moreover, the patterns are quite distinct. People with schizophrenia who hear voices hear them frequently. They often hear them throughout the day, sometimes like a rain of sound, or a relentless hammer. They hear not only sentences, but paragraphs: words upon words upon words. What the voices say is horrid—insults, sneers and contemptuous jibes. “Dirty. You’re dirty.” … “You should’ve gone under the bus, not into it.”
That was not what Abraham, Moses and Job experienced, even when God was at his most fierce.
As an anthropologist and psychologist, Luhrmann has studied evangelicals (read more about her work here) who report having exchanges with God. While some hear God through images they see through prayer or messages in their minds, she claims that others actually report feeling the Lord touch their shoulder or speak aloud to them (usually very brief experiences).

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The researcher even cited a 1999 Gallup poll that found that 23 percent of Americans had heard a voice or seen a vision in response to prayer — a proportion that may even the most skeptical to wonder if there is some truth to the claims. NPR adds more about similar research and polling results — one of the studies was actually conducted by Luhrmann:
Poll numbers show that more Americans are experiencing God through personal relationships. The Pew Foundation found that nearly a quarter of Americans are what they call “renewalist” Christians, which means they have an interactive sense of God’s presence. Another study cited by Luhrmann found that 26 percent of all Americans say they have been given a direct revelation from God.
Mental illness, despite what some critics might allege, is not the motivating factor among those who report hearing from God, as Luhrmann has apparently checked individuals to ensure that they are not suffering from emotional ailments. She wrote, though, that those who use their imagination while they pray and those who pray for longer periods of time are most likely to have such an experience.
So — what do you think? Is the notion of experiencing or hearing from God a silly one — or a reality? Have you ever experienced it? Take the poll, below, and let us know your views on a variety of issues associated with this fascinating issue:



















































































































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Obama Snake Oil Co
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:38amInterresting that this would be the voice of God….not directly from God but St Peter at the gates. He was seated at a desk, very tan skin, very white hair and beard. My father stood beside him while he was seated. My father was staring downward and would not make eye contact. I had traveled there by approaching the light while my family were all standing outside the tunnel. I went upwards on the wings of a bug of some sort. I had started this journey within a purple and black dream world. Sort of hard to describe but it didn’t feel very good. All kinds of things then started happening that defied anything logical. At the end of the journey, I saw the light to my right and walked to it. As I stood before ST Peter, he was looking at a book and writing something. He looked up at me and told me “We will revisit this in one year”. Exactly, one year later, my father passed away in freak blood clot in his leg that traveled to his lungs. I was an atheist…..I had my wakeup call….I wasn’t sure why at first that St Peter said we would revisit this in one year at first but the effect of having my father die devasted me enough to realize what he was trying to tell me. I turned many things around since. I also remember the angels flying around as it seems they were cutting up a lot as I heard laugher and child like sounds…..It was very humbling.
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Skyicewolf
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:44amAngels never cut through the air. They must have been demons.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:51amI would point out that supposed contact with God and spirits has been the source of every major cult just like mormonism, Catholicism, SDA, JW and on and on.
There is one source for spiritual answers and that is the Holy Scriptures. If any spirit says anything different than the bible then that spirit is not of God. .
The resurrection/rapture is coming http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
1) http://youtu.be/UwL3rKteOng
2) http://youtu.be/k8nm5rMcozE
Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Precious time is running out do not be sucked in by cults like Mormonism and Catholicism believe upon the one real Jesus Christ before it is to late.
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brother_ed
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:10pm@THERAPTURCOMES
You are free to believe as you wish, but it might be better if you stop calling major religions ‘cults’.
Humility is a characteristic that Jesus recommends. It may be that you are wrong, it may be that I am wrong, but humility requires respect and an understanding that we are all learning and are allowed to make mistakes.
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Platonician
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:16pm@THERAPTURCOMES
The Bible that you, rightfully so, hold so dear was protected, preserved and even compiled by the Catholic Church! My friend you are a victim of the narcissists that divided the Church of God, the Obamas of Christianity: Luther, Erasmus, Calvin, Henry VIII, all of them degenerates full of ambition.
The Bible is like the head of a body, the Church, of course the head is essential but the problem is that if you cut off the head of a person, you don’t have the person, you have nothing, you need the whole body, that is the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. That’s why protestantism is turning into secularism and atheism. Discarding the Wisdom of the Church makes you weaker and an easy prey for the atheists.
BTW, regarding the rapture, just remember this: Matthew 24:36 “But as for that day and hour, nobody knows it, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, no one but the Father alone.”
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edcoil
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:27pmWhy would you pray if you don’t expect God to answer?
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Religion_Is_The_Problem
Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:10pm@brother_ed
EVERY religion is a cult. It is a group of people who have a common belief, even with out any logic or evidence for what they believe. Just because you think your religion is the true one, doesnt mean you are void from being in a cult
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:55pm“Cult” means a small, unrecognized group of worship.
It doesn’t take long for “cult” to become “Culture” overtime.
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gac1218
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:47pmBrother Ed
Having humility doesn’t remove the responsibility to speak truth. Jesus Christ himself called the religious leaders of his time “blind guides and whitewashed tombs full of dead mens bones” He also flipped over the money changers tables because they used the religious establishment as a means to financial gain.
Religion is the problem
You are obviously another one of the walking wounded out to shoot back at those who have hurt you. Good news is that Jesus is not religious and he came to die for your sins to so you could have eternal life. Why reject that?
ChiefGeorge
Jan. 16, 2013 at 4:08pmRead Eben Alexanders “Proof of Heaven” God speaks to each of us in a way only we can comprehend, he does this because he knows everything about us.
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brother_ed
Jan. 16, 2013 at 4:22pm@GAC1218
Christ did indeed speak harsh words to the religious leaders of the time, but not to the lay people.
He certainly was religious…He started an organization of apostles, seventies and others.
He came to save the House of Israel, to whom He made covenants.
Civilization requires…well.. civility.
I am glad THERAPTURCOMES is fervrent in his/her beliefs, but we must be respectful of others beliefs.
Christ did not expect to convert everyone He spoke to – He allowed them their agency to believe as they saw fit. Of course, He highly wished that all would come unto Him, the Son of God, but He did not yell at them, only the ones who were supposed to be leading his sheep at the time, but who in fact, had gone astray themselves. They should’ve known better, hence they incurred hiw anger.
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Bearfoot
Jan. 16, 2013 at 5:43pmTHERAPTURCOMES,
Which church or faith would you consider to be the true one?
Which one would you consider not to be a cult?
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gac1218
Jan. 16, 2013 at 5:49pmBrother Ed
Jesus is no more religious then I am towards my wife or kids. Being he came that we would have an eternal relationship with HIm. Religion is man trying to organize faith into compartments that are easy to understand and follow by rote. Religion takes all the life out of our faith. I am of the Christian Faith. “Without faith it is impossible to please God” When Christianity becomes a religion then your just as well to join the Moose lodge. God said in Isaiah “I despise all of your (religious) sacrifices and festivals……You come near me with your lips but your hearts are far from me. The world despises a religiously based church telling them how to live their lives when they can’t do it themselves. That’s why it must be a faith walk.
What is true faith? It’s understanding God’s word and applying it, even if you don’t know or like the perceived outcome. Most churches have become a hindrance to a faith walk with their do and don’t based religious approach. What exactly is the magic mark for acts of religion that make you acceptable to christ. Can you miss 2 services a year? How many times can you sin before you are no longer saved? I guess when you reach 70 x 7 or 490 times then it’s all over. Is communion mandatory? What religious act justifies your salvation? Religion corrupts, but faith purifies. Religion requires service, while faith inspires service. Jesus was not religious.
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mycomet123
Jan. 16, 2013 at 6:04pm@THERAPTURECOME, You stated that contact with God & spirits is associated with ever “cult” religion. The Bible is full of encounter with spirits/angels. ACTS 12:7-8 Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side & woker him up & told him to get up. Then the angel said to him, “put on your clothes & sandals”. Jesus appeared to Saul in ACTS 9:4-5 Saul fell to the ground & heard a voice say to him, “Saul,Saul, why do you persecute me?”. Saul asked “Who are you,Lord?”. “I am Jesus, whom you persecute”. I personnally don’t understand where you are getting “the rapture” occuring in the Bible?
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by faith
Jan. 16, 2013 at 6:29pmTheRapturecomes
You want to talk about non-biblical…?
The theological notion of”rapture” was invented in 1830, in Port Glasgow, Scotland. By a fifteen year old Margaret MacDonald girl who had a vision concerning the return of Christ. Her vision was adopted by John Nelson Darby a British minister and founder of a denomination called the “Plymouth Brethern.” In 1909, an American, C. I. Scofield, pubished an annotated version of the “King James” translation of the Bible called the “Scofield Reference Bible.” Scofield’s annotations were based on the theology of John Nelson Darby. The “Scofield Reference Bible” popularized the teachings of Darby. Fundamentalist Christians in the U. S. adopted Scofield’s Bible as authoritative. With the rise of fundamentalism in the U. S. in recent years, the popularity of the theological notion of the “rapture” has also gained popularity.
Pre-tribulation rapture does not appear in the Bible.
Jesus’ second coming does not happen twice.
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Bearfoot
Jan. 16, 2013 at 6:50pmby faith,
Hahah, maybe TheRapturComes is the one subscribing to a cult.
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gac1218
Jan. 16, 2013 at 7:15pmBy faith
You are exactly right about no pretribulation rapture of the church. While there is a rapture, or a “being caught up into the air with the Lord” for all those who are saved. This event is described in 2 Thes 4 and 1Cor. 15. There is also a gathering of the elect, (those given to judge Rev. 20) in Matthew, by the angels of the Lord. Mathew is a pre-millenial event and Thes and Cor are well described as post- millenial events. These scriptures would indicate that there are 2 group raptures about 1000 years apart.Definitely no evidence of a pretribulation rapture unless you read the bible with pre-conceived biases.
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theotherberean
Jan. 16, 2013 at 7:26pmBro Ed said: You are free to believe as you wish, but it might be better if you stop calling major religions ‘cults’.
You can hide behind political correctness if you like, but why not call them what they are? After studying it for a couple decades now, I would classify the Mormon religion as a pagan mystery cult. What would you call it?
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huufarted
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:16pmI have been honored to Yeshua’s voice (Directly in Hebrew) once when I was called by Him to faith. I have heard from him many times since in the following manner (still quiet voice):
11So He said, “Go forth and stand on the mountain before the LORD.” And behold, the LORD was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. 12After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. 13When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a still small voice came to him and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” 14Then he said, “I have been very zealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.”
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maconsense
Jan. 17, 2013 at 8:55amThat was an amazing encounter, I am sorry about your earthly father, but wow! To have that kind of experience with your Heavenly Father, what a blessing.
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mycomet123
Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:08am@GAC1218, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel–and the dead in Christ will rise first. This passage correlates with Revelation 20:4-5 speaking of the first resurrection of the people who lived & died in Christ during the great tribulation. 1 Theossalonians 4:17, Revelation 7:9-15. Then we which are alive AND REMAIN shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. This passage correlates to the elect that surivive during the tribulation Matthew 24:22—-but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened, Revelation 7:4-8 (which correlates to Isaiah 65:8-9), Zechariah 14:16, Isaiah 4:2-3, These ELECT that survive the great tribulation will continue on this earth to continue on the Kingdom of God on this Earth. When hteir times end on this earth they will be resurrected with the rest of those that died during the tribulation & will live & reign with God for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4. Resurrection speaks of the physical realm–a reunification of the soul & spirit to the body. The rest of those that die in Christ during the thousand year reign will not be resurrected until the end of time. Perhaps if there is a rapture it could occur at the end of the golden age reign when God torches the planet Revelation 20:9.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:28amGAC and Bearfoot
Here is what I know about “the Rapture”
Are you Pre, Mid, or Post? If you don’t know how to answer that question, you’re probably a Catholic. Most Fundamentalists and Evangelicals know that these words are shorthand for pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, and post-tribulation. The terms all refer to when the rapture is supposed to occur.
The Millennium
In Revelation 20:1–3, 7–8, we read, “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while. . . . And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth.”
The period of a thousand years, the writer tells us, is the reign of Christ, and the thousand-year period is popularly called the millennium. The millennium is a harbinger of the end of the world, and Revelation 20 is interpreted in three ways by conservative Protestants. The three schools of thought are called postmillennialism, amillennialism, and premillennialism. Let’s take a look at them.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:29amPostmillennialism
According to Loraine Boettner in his book The Millennium (he also wrote the seriously defective anti-Catholic book Roman Catholicism), postmillennialism is “that view of last things which holds that the kingdom of God is now being extended in the world through the preaching of the gospel and the saving work of the Holy Spirit, that the world eventually is to be Christianized, and that the return of Christ will occur at the close of a long period of righteousness and peace, commonly called the millennium.”
This view was popular with nineteenth-century Protestants, when progress was expected even in religion and before twentieth-century horrors were tasted. Today few hold to it, except such groups as Christian Reconstructionists, an outgrowth of the conservative Presbyterian movement.
Commentators point out that postmillennialism is to be distinguished from the view of theological and secular liberals who envision social betterment and even the kingdom of God coming through purely natural, rather than supernatural, means. Postmillennialists, however, argue that man is incapable of building a paradise for himself; paradise will only come about by God’s grace.
Postmillennialists also typically say that the millennium spoken of in Revelation 20 should be understood figuratively and that the phrase “a thousand years” refers not to a fixed period of ten centuries, but to an indefinitely long time.
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by faith
Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:29amFor example, Psalm 50:10 speaks of God’s sovereignty over all that is and tells us that God owns “the cattle on a thousand hills.” This is not meant to be taken literally.
At the millennium’s end will come the Second Coming, the general resurrection of the dead, and the last judgment.
The problem with postmillennialism is that Scripture does not depict the world as experiencing a
period of complete (or relatively complete) Christianization before the Second Coming. There are numerous passages that speak of the age between the First and Second Comings as a time of great sorrow and strife for Christians. One revealing passage is the parable of the wheat and the weeds (Matt. 13:24–30, 36–43). In this parable, Christ declares that the righteous and the wicked will both be planted and grow alongside each other in God’s field (“the field is the world,” Matt. 13:38) until the end of the world, when they will be separated, judged, and either be thrown into the fire of hell or inherit God’s kingdom (Matt. 13:41–43). There is no biblical evidence that the world will eventually become totally (or even almost totally) Christian, but rather that there will always be a parallel development of the righteous and the wicked until the final judgment.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:30amAmillennialism
The amillennial view interprets Revelation 20 symbolically and sees the millennium not as an earthly golden age in which the world will be totally Christianized, but as the present period of Christ’s rule in heaven and on the earth through his Church. This was the view of the Protestant Reformers and is still the most common view among traditional Protestants, though not among most of the newer Evangelical and Fundamentalist groups.
Amillennialists also believe in the coexistence of good and evil on earth until the end. The tension that exists on earth between the righteous and the wicked will be resolved only by Christ’s return at the end of time. The golden age of the millennium is instead the heavenly reign of Christ with the saints, in which the Church on earth participates to some degree, though not in the glorious way it will at the Second Coming.
Amillennialists point out that the thrones of the saints who reign with Christ during the millennium appear to be set in heaven (Rev. 20:4; cf. 4:4, 11:16) and that the text nowhere states that Christ is on earth during this reign with the saints.
They explain that, although the world will never be fully Christianized until the Second Coming, the millennium does have effects on earth in that Satan is bound in such a way that he cannot deceive the nations by hindering the preaching of the gospel (Rev. 20:3).
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:31amThey point out that Jesus spoke of the necessity of “binding the strong man” (Satan) in order to plunder his house by rescuing people from his grip (Matt. 12:29). When the disciples returned from a tour of preaching the gospel, rejoicing at how demons were subject to them, Jesus declared, “I saw Satan fall like lightning” (Luke 10:18). Thus for the gospel to move forward at all in the world, it is necessary for Satan to be bound in one sense, even if he may still be active in attacking individuals (1 Pet. 5:8).
The millennium is a golden age not when compared to the glories of the age to come, but in comparison to all prior ages of human history, in which the world was swallowed in pagan darkness. Today, a third of the human race is Christian and even more than that have repudiated pagan idols and embraced the worship of the God of Abraham.
Premillennialism
Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals (though a century ago amillennialism was). Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective.
Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:32amThey believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one thousand year period).
But Scripture does not support the idea of a thousand year span between the Second Coming and the Final Judgment. Christ declares, “For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done” (Matt. 16:27), and “[w]hen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:31–32, 46).
The Rapture
Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the rapture. According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17, which states, “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:33amAnd the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.”
Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1–4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture—though it was not called that at the time—would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the “post-tribulational” view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation.
But in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C.I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible, which was widely distributed in England and America.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:34amMany Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bibleuncritically accepted what its footnotes said and adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history.
Eventually, a third position developed, known as the “mid-tribulational” view, which claims that the rapture will occur during the middle of the tribulation. Finally, a fourth view developed that claims that there will not be a single rapture where all believers are gathered to Christ, but that there will be a series of mini-raptures that occur at different times with respect to the tribulation.
This confusion has caused the movement to split into bitterly opposed camps.
The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view, which was accepted by all Christians, including non-premillennialists) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings—one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:34amProblems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24–27; Matt. 24:26–31; 2 Thess. 2:1–12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. The score is 3 to 0, three passages for a post-tribulational rapture and three that say nothing on the subject.
. . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556–7).
What’s the Catholic Position?
As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.
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Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:35amWith respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).
Spinning Wheels?
Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium.
A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. . . . Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8–14).
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gac1218
Jan. 17, 2013 at 10:39amMy comet
Sorry my friend but you are in error about 2 Thes 4 13-17 being timed with the tribulation. The error comes when people assume that the Lord in the scripture is Jesus. In fact it is God almighty. He is not coming back, just to the air above which is neither heaven or earth. He calls all those who are still alive under the millenial reign of Christ up to be joined with those who are already with him. The next thing that happens is the destruction of the old heavens and earth and a new heaven a a new earth are then created. Explaining the need to be with God in the air, because if you’re on earth or in heaven then you will be destroyed at that time. This is the 7th or final trumpet (last call) event, Rev. 11. Understanding this you can then make sense of 1Cor. 15, Rev 20 and Rev 21. Before you judge my response, please understand that I once believed as you. I was blinded by the widely accepted theology of the church, and trusted teachers. It takes effort and spiritual insight to reboot many of the false theologies of the church. Books cause confusion, the bible, read and studied in context with itself is the only safe way to get answers. If there is unclarity between scripture in your mind then you know there is bad information tainting your understanding.
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iampraying4u
Jan. 17, 2013 at 11:30amWell yes he did he asked me whats up with obamanation
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Budeliao
Jan. 17, 2013 at 5:08pm@THERAPTURECOMES Wasn’t that the same type of “speaking to God” that Moses and Jesus did? Did you add those to your cult list?
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GCT
Jan. 17, 2013 at 9:26pmTheRaptureComes,
Want to know when the rapture comes. It is not when many think. Read Matthew 24:3-31 when Jesus spells it out. Lest you think I am taking a passage out of context, check out the companion passages in Mark 14 and Luke 21 also. For those to lazy to check out the passages, the “gathering of the elect”, a.k.a. the Rapture, takes place “after these things” which is after the description of the Tribulation.
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SciPro
Jan. 17, 2013 at 10:57pmOk .. anyone who has been in the presence Of God or angels, such as I, would say .. huh? But both your answers do point out that other powers are present in some times of our lives. Often however, it is Satan who tests us. Jesus said that all must appear before Him personally, .. what does that do to the story of Peter? … for instance. Any man can call on God The Father in the name Of Jesus Christ, and receive an answer, that’s the promise. … Any man! .. But a price must first be paid, Faith, humility, true repentance … and calling on God in constant prayer will get you there. Most have been convinced by Satan and his constant whispering, not to get serious, and thus their souls are cheated. Just saying
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spikebu
Jan. 18, 2013 at 3:45amWhen I was 18 (many, MANY moons ago), I was heartbroken over a boy. I did not know God then. I was in my room on the floor and sobbing into my mattress. I was devastated. I’d been there a few (4) hours when my room filled with light. I felt so loved! That’s when I started seeking God. When I was 27, I finally dropped my defenses long enough for God to get through to me. He said, “I AM”. I was 8 months pregnant. It was 10:30pm. Star Trek TNG was on. I rolled over and shook my Husband awake and cried, “HE IS!”, and then bawled my eyes out. My Husband then is my Husband now. 24 years. Without God? There would be no us. Thank you, Lord.
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spikebu
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:02am@Scipro…The Price was Paid In Full. Jesus fulfilled all. If you feel like there is still a bill, it’s not His lack, it’s yours.
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spikebu
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:37amGac1218…Church provides you with fellowship. It’s a way to feed your faith, keep it alive. Shop around. There are a whole bunch of fake churches, but you’ll know when you find a real one. It’s like coming home.
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mycomet123
Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:35am@ BY FAITH, I have listened to alot of teaching in regard to a/pre/post millennialists. None of these (according to what I could find in the Bible). coincide with what scripture teaches. It states in Revelation 20 that satan is bound for a thousand years. My interpretation of what I found by reading Zech 14:4-5 states of the coming of Jesus with saints & Zech 14:16 speaks of the people left after His coming. Zech 14:18 speaks of “if the people of Egypt go not up to worship the Lord, they will have no rain”. This speaks of free will. Just because satan is bound doesn’t mean that there will no longer be any sin on earth. People still have FREE WILL. Satan & the fallen angels cause spiritual strongholds over nations. When satan is bound you won’t have strongholds like abortion & homosexuality over countries, but you will have lying,cheating,yes even homosexuality & abortion still (but not legalized by a country). What you’ll have is a reunification of Church & State, because without the unity between the two it is impossible to have PEACE. Zech 14:9 States that the Lord shall be king over all the earth correlating with Rev 11:15 The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord & His Christ. If your read in Joel, Amos, Zech–it speaks of a gathering of nations againt Israel. Jesus’s second coming is to save Israel from destruction & in doing so He converts the whole world to Christianity. That doesn’t mean that everyone will want to except Him.
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mycomet123
Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:40am@ BY FAITH, Isaiah 2:2-4 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, & shall be exalted above the hils; and all nations shal lflow unto it. And many people shall go & say, Come ye & let us go up to the mountain of the God of Jacob; & he will teach us of his ways, & we will walk in his paths: for OUT OF ZION SHALL GO FORTH THE LAW, AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM–reunification of Church & State!
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mycomet123
Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:18am@GAC1218, You state that 1 Theo 4:13-17 is refering to God almighty, I’m assuming you are referring to Father God?. Father God almighty doesn’t descend since He is EVERYWHERE & desn’t exist inside of a body. Please consider Matther 24:30 —–they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power & great glory. Truthfully, I’m not sure by your posting what your interpretation is? It sounds like you believe the second coming is at the end of time & the coming is by Father God????????? I just don’t see that in the Bible so I’m not sure how to respond to you.
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mycomet123
Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:28amThere can be no lasting PEACE on this world until the second coming of Christ. Isaiah 2:4 Speaks of a period of TIME when there will be peace on earth. “And He shall judge among the nations, & shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, & their spear into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, NEITHER SHALL THEY LEARN WAR ANYMORE!
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Locked
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:38amI have never audibly heard the voice of the Lord, but I have frequently felt “guided,” especially while praying and asking for direction. Sometimes it’s “loud” enough that I’ll actually look around, but it’s not really actual words or a conversation or anything.
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Alex
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:58amMost of the time, that is how God leads us.
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:03amYes, my prayers have been answered by others moving on my behalf and by a few divine appointments!
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cessna152
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:09amYes. When we fought a video in our school system and the NJEA, God directed us clearly. The video was pulled. When we left our old Church…God confirmed what we did not understand and found out two years later God directed us correctly. When we moved, some amazing stuff (too much to get into). Recently we have been praying about frustration in this country… God clearly led us to a few scriptures and LASB meaning/application:
Jer 29:12-14 (GW)
12 “Then you will call to me. You will come and pray to me, and I will hear you. 13 When you look for me, you will find me. When you wholeheartedly seek me, 14 I will let you find me, declares the Lord. I will bring you back from captivity. I will gather you from all the nations and places where I’ve scattered you, declares the Lord. I will bring you back from the place where you are being held captive”.
We’re all encouraged by a leader who stirs us to move ahead, someone who believes we can do the task he has given and who will be with us all the way. God is that kind of leader. He knows the future, and his plans for us are good and full of hope. As long as God, who knows the future, provides our agenda and goes with us as we fulfill his mission, we can have boundless hope. This does not mean that we will be spared pain, suffering, or hardship, but that God will see us through to a glorious conclusion.
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Libertarian
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:12amThe Lord directed me through a dream. I knew it was from God because of what was asked of me and that I woke up sobbing like baby.
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akitagirls
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:20amI believe there comes a time in life when over the years we may have backslidden and we come back to our Christian roots. I believe 25 years ago that the Lord spoke to me and said I will not allow you to leave me ever again,,,,,if you do, I will just bring you home to Me. It was just like he branded me and I knew I could never fall away from Him again and have had that fear and love for Him that I believe He spoke these words to me.
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BODYBAG
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:32am[1] Source/Motive:
This is being promulgated by CNN, a network that is well-known for running religious stories that discredit and demean people of faith in an effort to make them look deranged, insane & unhinged.
This piece is more of the same —– “Did you hear God’s voice or are you insane?”
[2] Why would any serious credible source write about such a highly personal/private experience on
a political website whose only purpose is to ridicule them ?
Dont get sucked into this crap. If you’re a christian you dont owe these people a thing.
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brother_ed
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:12pm@LOCKED
Well said.
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kryptonite
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:18pmBODYBAG
Spot on. Godly people share their experiences when prompted by the Holy Spirit:
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.” (Matt. 7:6)
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seek.the.truth
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:54pm@locked
I have never heard an audible voice either but have felt complete peace when I know it is God who is guiding me.
Also had a life or death situation with my son where I received peace that he would live but never heard a voice.
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22AUTOMATIC
Jan. 17, 2013 at 3:17pmThere are some amazing docs/films that provide evidence of this and of the existence of God and intelligent design in general. Below is just one really great movie on the subject. If you know of anyone who is on the fence about Christianity have them watch it. I also suggest: The Privileged Planet, A Question of Origins, The Real Face of Jesus, 12 Biggest Lies, Dragons or Dinosaurs, The Case For Faith, Startling Proofs, The Mysterious Islands, Darwin’s Dilemma, Science Tests Faith (this one will truly solidify your faith – they found human blood coming out of a statue of Jesus that scientists said is the first to not contain any DNA in history- amazing). We showed the last one to a group a few weeks ago and people were in tears after the first thirty minutes. Powerful.
http://www.myspace.com/video/god-39-s-page-truth-for-these-end-times/the-case-for-a-creator/33826735
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Copo
Jan. 17, 2013 at 5:49pmI have heard an audible voice
It was quite frightening, and I felt very guilty. He shed light on my sins and regenerated me
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kickagrandma
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:36amYes.
It would take a book or two or three.
HE wakes me up literally and figuratively every day, many times a day if I am listening with HIS ears, seeing with HIS eyes, breathing with HIS breath, loving with HIS love.
There are so many “most intensely” CHRISTIAN experiences. The greatest are HIS constant love faithfulness and forgiveness.
HE IS my life, my all.
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LDSmommy
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:16amI love your comment, but I’m posting this just to tell you your screen name is GREAT! I LMAO!
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Bluebonnet
Jan. 17, 2013 at 11:50amYes, but not in spoken words, in a vision. So real I will never deny I had the experience. Even tho it was more than 45 years ago, I still see every detail and know God is here with us.
It was when I had turned my life over to the Lord but still had some questions I couldn’t understand. I was praying one night and asked God how I could understand that Jesus and God are ONE. I had problems understanding it even while the Bible tells us: John Ch 1:1…”In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God……………..and dwelt among us”……….
Then something happened and I could see myself watching 3 doves coming down from heaven and as they got close to me, all of a sudden they became ONE and sat on my head………WOW! This has stayed with me and I can still visualize it happening. That’s all the proof I’ll ever need to know who Jesus is, it’s in my heart.
As I fail in everyday life, I think of this vision and it gets my life back in the right place.
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Tsam
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:33amWas it God or my guardian angel who put their hand on my collar and prevented me from going on my daily jog, which would have put me under a viaduct at the very same time a women was stabbed there over 40 times by a mentally ill man who had escaped his psychiatric ward? (yes, stabbed, not gunned down)
I was torn for about 20 minutes wanting to go running, addict that I was. I swear an invisible hand on my collar stopped me from doing so…for 20 minutes I felt the tug, keeping me in my apartment. This NEVER happened to me before. I didn’t go and read about the attack the next day.
Would I have interfered had I been there as a witness? Would I have been the victim? A higher power prevented me from going. I was raised Catholic but left the church after witnessing so much hypocrisy coming from so-called Catholics. Then, as I grew older, so many many things happened in my life to show me the wonders of…God.
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John655
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:47pmThe Church is a home for sinners. Should you expect perfection from a congergation? Don’t let the sins of some keep you from church. We are all broken and we need the Church which is the bride of Christ and the Sacraments which conveys God’s grace. I pray you’ll find your way home.
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Sugabee
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:09pmAMEN!! Come home!! The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist is reason enough!
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A Hoosier Says
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:43pmSo God helped you out, meanwhile some woman had to be killed? He must not have warned her like he did you.
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hi
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:30amIf you want to know what God is saying to you, read His Word and pray in Jesus’ name. Be careful of looking for supernatural experiences.
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Alex
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:58amI agree that we shouldn’t be doing everything for supernatural manifestations. They are not things that we can command anyway. That said, they are very real, and we should always pay attention to what heaven is trying to communicate to us in our lives by various means. They are not things that we have reason to boast of, but rather to be grateful for and to hold sacred.
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HomosapienPrimate
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:29amIn my opinion, God is a concept made up by our minds. Since there are 7 billion minds on the planet Earth then there are many different concepts of God. The God concept can never be rationally and logically proven or disproven. This fact should give all intellectually honest and educated people a pause and some humility. Any voices that we hear in our heads are voices produced by the firings of billions of interconnected neuronal synapses in our heads. These are our voices alone. These are the inner workings of our minds. Many people who’ve meditated or gotten into Eastern religions realize this intimately. Our reality is, has always been, and will always be a manifestation of what our minds project onto the outside world.
Monotheist conservative Republican believers, which probably are the large majority of Blaze commenters, should be very careful. Islamic lunatics, schizophrenics, and other insane people also believe they hear the voice of some Higher Power in their heads. Ridiculing Islamic people for hearing Allah is a slippery slope when evangelical Christians also say that Jesus and God the Father
“have entered my life and shown me the purpose and meaning of my life which comes from talking to them as I pray before going to bed at night.” In a philosophical sense, this is as ridiculous as an Islamic lunatic saying “Allah has commanded me to go kill all the infidels.”
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4truth2all
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:37amWhere this is a God there is also an imposter and those willing to “hear” that voice.
Nevermind though it’s just my brain in a state of evolving into a higher place, and I think I’m about to take another step up … the air is really getting thin up here ..
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PrzLesu
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:04amTake your malarkey elsewhere troll
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atechgeek
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:06amI can’t wait for judgement day for you. When you tell God you knew what was going on .. hopefully you will have a good laugh … something tells me you won’t. We humans do not have the capacity to understand God. You need to quit trying. Hence the word “faith”. You ‘ll see .. some day.
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The_Pointy_End
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:07am@****….
If anyone is hearing voices in their mind, IT IS NOT OF G-D. G-d speaks or guides within the soul/heart. And if you hear from him, it will not be in an audible language, but deep within you and absolutely understandable.
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mindocdan
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:25amwell said, homosapien.
Leaving the unwinnable issue of the existence of God out of the discussion, hearing voices is a sign of mental illness, not divine intervention. People who say “God guided me” to this or that decision may very well try to live their lives based on scripture or religious beliefs, but they are the ones making the decisions. There’s nothing wrong with that, of course, but I am very skeptical of the person who acts and then claims “god told me to do this”. And by skeptical I mean “you are either delusional or a liar”
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Cesium
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:30am@**** I commend you in your valiant efforts to disseminate a logical and rational view point but trying to do this on the blaze is like teaching pigs how to drive. The mud (wishful thinking) feels much better to wallow in for most Blaze commenters, they will just continue doing that and grunt at you instead.
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Libertarian
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:43am@PrzLesu,
Christians do a disservice to the debate when they act like liberals, as you have displayed. When someone challenges the idea you should be able to make the case for the Lord.
@Homosapienprimate,
The questions I would ask is, how did non-living matter turn into living matter, even Steven Hawkings the intellectual scientist and atheist said that there had to be an unexplainable “fire” for this conversion to happen.
First there is macro evolution and micro evolution – I believe there is micro evolution the process of evolving over time, which I would liken it more to adaptation. I do not believe in macro evolution the process of evolving from one species to the next. This divide is never explained and it is absolutely unproven in the scientific community.
Where there is law, the is a lawmaker. Where there is design there is a designer. We live in a world of law, order not choas. I would concede that it takes as much faith to believe in the big bang theory or any other form of creation than Jesus Christ, however there is more scientific and historical evidence that a perfect man, performing miracles named Jesus Christ (English version) walked the earth.
With that it is my belief that there is supernatural, because creation whether it is from your side or mine requires an enormous amount of faith. Science and history is on my side, not yours my friend.
God bless
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Libertarian
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:55amEither a majority of the world’s population is right or the bible is the biggest hoax of mankind.
Science being the law of the universe, I see cause for believing there is a lawmaker – a creator.
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kryptonite
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:56pm@PRIMATE
evangelical Christians also say that Jesus and God the Father “have entered my life and shown me the purpose and meaning of my life which comes from talking to them as I pray before going to bed at night.” In a philosophical sense, this is as ridiculous as an Islamic lunatic saying “Allah has commanded me to go kill all the infidels.”
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Even in a philosophical sense, good and evil are dichotomous.
And BTW, evangelicals don’t talk that way. That’s all in your commie mind’s interpretation of how Christians fellowship with God. Moreover, you don’t know squat about Islam either. Islamists don’t converse with Allah, so they never claim Allah “commanded” them to do anything. They just follow the unabrogated verses of the Qur’an (muhkama).
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4truth2all
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:36pmYo Cesium:
What’s up … am I making piggy noises again ???
“woe to those that call mud roses and roses mud” … (paraphrase mine)
in all serious joking … good day
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mwp72
Jan. 16, 2013 at 7:20pmGod speaks through your heart not your mind.
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mwp72
Jan. 16, 2013 at 7:26pmGod speaks through the heart not the mind.
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bonesiii
Jan. 17, 2013 at 10:20pm“The God concept can never be rationally and logically proven or disproven. This fact should give all intellectually honest and educated people a pause and some humility”
While pause and humility are wise, God can be logically proven, and IMO has been in many ways. The impossibility of merely finite existence, requiring an infinite first cause, is among the clearest I’m aware of. There’s also the argument from design and a few others.
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RLJMAH
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:27amI have heard the voice of God speak to me, only two times audibly, in my life. Both times were a word I definitely needed to hear, and a wash of peace that is indescribable covered me, and I knew without a shadow of doubt that what I had been praying about was about to manifest. And it did. Just like I knew it would because that is what I was told. God speaks to everyone, they have only to listen…
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Cesium
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:34amAnd god speaks to me through IBS and sacroiliitus (11 years) so that i just lay around waiting to grow old and die. F him
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John655
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:57pm@Cesium
Where in the Bible did Jesus say we’d have an eazy life? I most have missed that part. I recall Jesus saying pick up your cross and follow me. We do not know the good that can come from our suffering but on judgement day we will all see how are actions either led people to Christ or kept them away from him. Your life is not over you still have work to do. I pray you’ll find peace. God Bless
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4truth2all
Jan. 16, 2013 at 4:59pmYo Cesium:
Truly sorry to hear of your health issues. You may actually be correct that God is indeed trying to “speak” to you through your difficulties, but instead of listening you harden your heart.
I would not wish in ANY way to make light of your “problems”, but do you think you are the only one with them. Should I tell you about mine, my friends, my neighbors? They are not mad at God. I have learned much in my “difficulties” and find that I am actually thankful for them and find they have made me wiser and have helped me see things from His perspective.
If you find your physical condition so discomforting why would you pass up the opportunity to be everlastingly free from them ??? Your pain should drive you to God (as intended) not away. You do not understand Gods purpose to save you from you.
Put down your anger … it would help you see and hear … God is ALWAYS talking … seldom is it heard with hears … GOOD DAY
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Cesium
Jan. 16, 2013 at 5:56pm@4truth, I am not actually mad at something I don’t know exists or not. Maybe for the first few years into my suffering I could see a silver lining and welcoming of a new perspective but you shouldn’t talk about how you or friends with health problems take it. I assure you they are not me but maybe you’re a commie and you prefer everyone should be the same. I almost envy those who are able to delude themselves into imagining comfort and claiming this is not their minds but relationship with a god that helps. Going to god? I’m not really sure what that is? I could go to synagogue and read all the **** in the prayer books and torah but praying never once helped me feel better. Being around people helps, I can do that in a non religious setting. Even when I bought into the god bs earlier in life, I’m just not the kind of person that can ever feel good being laid up all the time or learn much from it. It will only frustrate me. I’m too big for life. I see going to god as a two way street. From what I’ve seen in history and in my own life I’m not going to denigrate myself to god. If god cared about receiving prayer from me and loved me, he’d do what’s necessary. I’m not going to play his sadistic games. I’d rather he protect children from psychopaths anyway. Maybe you will pray for me but it does nothing for me and is self serving for you. Makes you feel like you did a good deed with the least effort. God will have to convince ME. Otherwise he’s out of the pictur
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Cesium
Jan. 16, 2013 at 6:18pm@John Where in anything does anyone say you will have an easy life.? I’m pretty sure you couldn’t find that in the satanic bible either. Kind of baseless point to make. Hey Woah, never looked at life as something difficult, ya got me there!{sarcasm} Really, you don’t know the half of it. I thank you for your good will towards me but I like pretty much all Jewish raised don’t buy into this jesus is lord malarkey. jesus’s teachings were not outlandishly unique as a rabbi and he never professed a new religion be created in his name. I still have never been shown good evidence he existed instead of a “big fish.” I do have a lot of work to do. Any peace I find in my life is thanks to me, friends, and family. I don’t care a lick about jebus or god and his love or wrath, they’re all a bunch of idea constructs that have no bearing on reality. When I have peace it will be free of supernatural parents/tyrants etc. .
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4truth2all
Jan. 16, 2013 at 8:35pmYo Cesium:
” F-him” is not anger?
You can believe and do whatever you want with your life … the commie comment had no place.
I don’t pray for another for my own benifit … that would be stupid. Prayer does in fact take effort and time.
God is not sadistic … satan is … satan=sadistic .. and as I said He is doing what is necessary. All your friends and those that give you comfort in this life will be of no value at death.
Why would you expect God to answer your prayers when you curse Him … you might try another route. At any rate I’m gonna go get me some rewards and pray for you … I really don’t care about you, just the rewards …good day
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Cesium
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:55pm@4truth and who created satan? And what is satans’s purpose? This system of tempt and test is absolutely sadistic! This is the way your god made this machine right? We pay for a stupid woman’s mistake 6000 years ago? Nahh not saddistic at all…. look, as a person i apprecate the concern but as an agnostic/atheist im just not trying to hear it. I can’t even explain the complex nature of what i deal with on here. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. No benevelont god would allow it. If he does exist i’m not going to play his little game of fear and ultimatums. I’m better than that. I hold myself to a higher standard and I request directness not signals or unconventional modes of speech. If he can’t address me eye to eye mouth to ear, again… F him
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kryptonite
Jan. 17, 2013 at 12:31am@CESIUM
We pay for a stupid woman’s mistake 6000 years ago?
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You don’t have to. Jesus did. The New Testament says: “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8).
You can stay bitter toward a God you think has failed you and humankind if He exists at all, OR you can tell God you want to meet Jesus. If you ever get tired of cursing God, you might want to try the second approach.
=> “If he can’t address me eye to eye mouth to ear…”
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Have you ever read the New Testament? It’s God’s eye to eye and mouth to ear, and it is full of promises for whosoever believes. If you can’t read because of the pain, get an audio New Testament. Let it sink in your spirit and produce the faith you need to receive healing. Sow the seed and in time you will reap. It’s a spiritual principle.
A handful, I know, but it sure beats waiting to get old and die.
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4truth2all
Jan. 17, 2013 at 3:36pmYo Kryptonite:
How you doing bro? … if I would have said it myself I would not have said it better … peace
Yo Cesium:
I researched your condition … if that is what your talking … though that does tell me the extent of your pain.
I could tell you of mine in numerious ways but I refuse to live in defeat and anger at God and those who do evil … your anger could in fact contribute to your condition.
At any rate I am prayin and plan on it tomorrow and the next day … so F God … my f stands for faith… same letter … different perspective
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John655
Jan. 17, 2013 at 5:46pmCesium
Sorry, I didn’t know you were a lasped Jew. I should not have thrown Jesus in your face. I hope you do find peace with family and friends. But, if you don’t I pray someone will come into your life that can show you another way. There’s nothing that I or anyone else is going to say here on the Blaze that will be all that helpful. Just to share, I’ve been reading the OT lately and it’s amazing how much of the NT is hidden in the OT. People complain about the God of the OT and I’d say how about those people of the OT. Anyway, whether you belivev in him or not, I still say God Bless you.
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DougHuffman
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:26amThis Sunday past I was re-Baptised, reaffirming my Baptism while armed. The lessons, sermon and homily were on point as always. The Lutheran protestant church was born in battle. MOLON LABE
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CALLMEMSGT
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:36amCongratulations Doug!
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mindocdan
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:30amwhy did you need to include the fact that you were armed? Why does that make you proud? You may recall Jesus was pretty big on the non-violent thing. I think you’re missing the point of the New Testament.
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rander
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:25amI remember in the early 70′s when i was really searching for God in my life. Was He really real? I really wanted to know with all my heart. My brother was in Viet Nam and I received a really upsetting letter from him. I went into my prayer closet and was crying and crying and all of a sudden the realization that sin wasn’t just in Viet Nam, it was in all of our hearts. I heard the voice of a man audibly behind me say, “I know Karen”. God called me by name.!
It was a rather startling experience but only one of many that led me to the reality of Jesus and the cross and how God cared for me personally….Karen anderson…Angleton, Texas
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spirited
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:05pmWhile there is a fine line between ignorance and fear, curiosity and the unexplained, instinct and common sense…. miracles have been considered and or believed-in by nearly all cultures and nearly all religions.
There are many unexplainable experiences that people have that are silently understood; that cannot be evidenced; that are not logical; that cannot be proven three-dimentionally.
For example:
Two family members were hospitalized thirty miles from eachother. Making many trips back and forth…and either forgetting to, not having time to, or not having money to stop to get needed gas (the red light went on at least twenty miles ago), while at a stop-light late one night, tired… hungry… chilled… and leary of going to a cash station alone –just trying to stay awake and get home safely–, (all the while concerned about loved one’s wellness), the visor was pulled down hoping that that ‘emergency five dollar bill was still there to get enough gas to get home, a piece of paper fell down. No, it wasn’t money. Instead, just a card from a friend’s funeral. In dissapointment & despair, the words (a prayer, asking St. Teresa for a rose).
The light changed to green… suddenly the gauge showed a quarter-tank!
It stayed at a quarter-tank for three (3) weeks –while driving over one hundred (over 100) miles???
– Oh, yes, the gas gauge and tank was inspected by a mechanic; and there was nothing wrong.
Also, it NEVER happened before –nor afterwards.
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e7705
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:21amGlenn, the poll above that uses pie graphs – I can’t tell which color represents the answer.
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00100111
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:01amLook at the color of the word YES and NO.
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BobW
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:15amBeginning to feel that Glenn needs medical intervention – big time!
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:31amor maybe you need spiritual intervention?
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BLUDOG_3
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:14amI had just finished a 3 day seminar of Stephen Covey’s “7 Habits of Highly Effective People”. I was sitting in an airport bar having a non alchoholic drink with an associate talking about what we had learned that week. All of a sudden a wave of euphoria washed over me. We proceeded to walk to our gate and it was as if I were towering over myself floating above, looking down upon myself. All the stress and pressures in my life were washed away and I felt complete joy. I haven’t felt that since but have always felt that God was at my side.
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DeavonReye
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:27amMaybe you accidently got a drink with alcohol in it.
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macpappy
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:25pmA joint does that for me.
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sizzlinsexybeckster
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:07amYes, several times. I am writing a book on it. But……. however……. the most recent time would be 3 seconds ago with the message that humans are shamelessly embarrassing, still barbaric after 2 thousand years, most haven’t learned from history, and after this time of trying to restore humanity and if it does not work will NEVER come back here AGAIN to deal with you morons. You will be on your own. Watch for the signs, there are plenty, you are just too blind to see them. Frankly you get what you deserve for abandoning your responsibilities as parents and as “respectful” human beings. You let the media babysit our kids with trashy “entertainment.” There are no morals but replaced with selfish carelessness and morbidly violent conceded greed.
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TheBigMike
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:18amWow SSB, what brought that on?
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Cesium
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:41am@Sizz and the fact that humans will keep cycling in barbaric immoral nature over and over eon after eon doesn’t say much for the kind of creator who did the half-as job on us. As a whole God should be ashamed of himself.
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sizzlinsexybeckster
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:04pmGod is not a “himself” or a “herself.” God is not a person, nor man or woman. God does not wear Levis nor does God eat Oreos. (You should probably have realized this by kindergarten.) God is love and light coming from The Other Side. It is the energy that houses all the spirits with their help listening and guiding you in the proper direction, however, not all people listen or notice because they have become too narcissistic and shallow therefore they get what they deserve. They have brains however they don’t use them. They rely on everyone else to do the work for them. They keep having children just for the welfare check (poor people) or to use for a jewelry piece (rich people). Stop blaming God because…. because…. because I said so dammit!
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mycomet123
Jan. 17, 2013 at 8:33amGod is Triune, consisting of Father God, Jesus, & the Holy Spirit. Jesus in being part of the God Head, took on humanity as a male human being. Therefor God is a male Being in Jesus.
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mrsclark
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:06amI have been a migraine sufferer since childhood. I had started a job at a lawfirm that represented non-profit organizations, churches and ministries. The employees and attorneys were all Christian of one denomination or another and we had our docket meeting and short devotional and prayer time every Monday morning. I was not a practicing Christian at the time, though I had always been a believer. For several weeks, every Monday I awoke with a horrible migraine and would miss work, and the devotional and prayer time I actually enjoyed and was bringing me closer to God. Finally I was fed up with it and went in to the office anyway. During the meeting I laid on a short couch with my head buried in a pillow and then, during the devotional time I felt moved to speak out on the topic of discussion regarding the fact that Satan does not attack those are not close to God, or doing His will, Satan attacks those that he can use to ruin reputations and tear people away from God. While I spoke, I felt as if warm water had been pour over my head and washed the pain completely out of my head. The pain was just gone, no residual issues like normal migraines have, nothing just gone. I knew that I had just been healed by the hand of God, and I melted into tears and shared what I had just felt. I was close to everyone, they all knew what I was going through with the headaches. Afterwards I did not have headaches again for nearly two years. You want a story about experiencing God, THAT is it!
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:46amI don’t want to take away from what you are saying but Job was attacked in every way and he was a man of God. We cannot understand the reasons why some are attacked or blessed, God is sovereign!
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Sugabee
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:45pmYou must not have been reading correctly. That is exactly what she said – Satan attacks the righteous to try & ruin reputations & draw people away from God.
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 8:39pmYou are right, I read it again.
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SwampHunter
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:04amAs I was leaving the Republican National Convention back in 1988, a woman walked up to me and said, “I have a message for you from God”. What she spoke to me about next was something she could not possibly have known anything about. Then when she finished, she turned and just walked away as if she had just ordered her morning coffee at McDonald’s and was on to her next task. To this day, I believe she was an angel, and that what she told me literally WAS a message from God.
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Locked
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:39amWhat was the message?
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roscoe569
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:06pm“You left your headlights on……do you have jumper cables?”
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Gonzo
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:04amAnyone who has accepted Christ as his savior has heard the calling of The Holy Spirit. Maybe it wasn’t a burning bush speaking, but He was speaking to you.
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revron
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:23amThe writer of the article wants to know if you have ever had a personal encounter with God. Two things should be offered at every church that calls itself Christian: (1) Grace; Christianity is the only “religion” whose path to God is based on grace and not on works. We are saved by what Jesus has done for us, not by what I do for God.. (2) An encounter with the living God. A literal, tangible experience with the living God in our midst. If your “Christian” church offers something less than this, nothing separates it from any other church of any other religion.
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theotherberean
Jan. 16, 2013 at 7:20pmHe Rev, church this, church that. I thought it was all about Jesus Christ. I don’t need a “church” to worship Jesus Christ.
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revron
Jan. 16, 2013 at 8:56pmthe church isn’t a building but a body of believers. It’s not an organization but an organism.
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Alex
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:03amYes, I have had a revelation from God, and no, I’m not going to elaborate on the internet. Very powerful and very sacred to me. I’ll always be grateful for the goodness and mercy of God. Jesus is the Savior. I know that He lives and loves me.
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Gonzo
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:28amDitto.
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CALLMEMSGT
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:29amYes he spoke to me, it was about 20 years ago. Like Alex, I would not want to elaborate here. I will share what he said though. “It will be alright”. He was right (and still is).
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Gonzo
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:43amSgt., He said to me ” Be calm, I am with you.”
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stopprintn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:22amGods light casts no shadows!
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Tachy320
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:00pmDouble ditto. It was not an audible voice and I don’t think God even spoke to me other than to give me incredible peace when I was dying, actually had to be revived twice. It was an incredible experience. But the above bible verse, Jer. 29:12 You will call to me, you will call to pray to me and I will here. That pretty much sums it all up. That brought up some powerful feelings after 8 years.
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madasblazes
Jan. 17, 2013 at 11:02pmDitto, too.
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raabhimself
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:02amYeah… I think there are more important things to be discussed right now… I think this story is really just here to rile up the religous and the athiests here….
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macpappy
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:30pmYou are right. This is the Left driving a wedge between conservatives, and religious conservatives. The people that are commenting are being handled like sheep.
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IndyGuy
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:02amLiberal: “Yes GOD has spoken to me on several occasions, from the Rose Garden,the Oval Office and at several of his rallies”
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:55amHas God Ever Spoken to You Directly?………….NO……….but he has to Jamie Foxx.
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searching for the Truth
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:26amThat was funny!
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DeavonReye
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:54amI think it is quite possible to THINK you “heard from a god”, but just had a “strong feeling” only. People claim to have “personally heard from god”, but what they believe they heard is sometimes contrary to “what god told another person”.
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:24amDeavon, you can believe or not believe, but insulting those who do, is just rude! Why does it bother you so much? When the Holy Spirit is visited on you, there is no mistake about it; you literally are overcome with emotion, tears running out of your eyes on your knees! If you find Christianity offensive, at least be libertarian enough to let it be . . .
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DeavonReye
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:38amNothing I said was insulting. What I said DOES happen. People DO get “strong feelings” and mistake it for “god speaking to them”. Denominations DO believe they have “direct spiritual discernment” which is opposed to ANOTHER denomination’s “claimed spiritual discernment”. These things are true. If you find my words “insulting”, . . . that is your problem. Not mine.
Christianity doesn’t get a pass on being critiqued, no matter how much you wish it to.
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:03pmYes, Deavon, all of these things happen, so what? Why are you so hung up on the disagreements between denominations or religions? Most people on here today are just recollecting personal spiritual experiences, it’s actually a nice conversation.
I’m not insulted by you, I am libertarian enough to allow that people have their own beliefs and are entitled to them. You are the one that seems personally insulted by Christians, just by their existence, I just wondered what that was about? I don’t expect Christianity to get a pass, it is written throughout the Bible that it won’t and that Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs.
Are you a persecutor?
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brother_ed
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:05pm@DEAVONREYE
I support you on this one.
I always wondered why someone who goes to one church, gets a ‘call from God’ to preach His word, and starts another church that competes with his former church, instead of helping his previous pastor ‘spread the word’.
It seems like most independent churches are this way (and I say that respectfully). I understand that many DO join their original pastor, but some seem to want to start their own church instead of helping one that is already established.
That is a very good question DEAVONREYE. I have my own answer, but i don’t really care to express it, as it may seem contentious to some and I don’t care to be contentious.
I simply wish to say that your observation is valid, IMHO.
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DeavonReye
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:08pmCatn, . . . the story asked a question. I gave MY opinion on it. YOU are the one who had issue with it, calling it “insulting”. And yes, I have read MANY posts on here from people who claimed to have an “experience with god”. I’m not going to reply to most of them. . . . even though SOME of them do sound downright wacky, IMO. Even IF I think them “wacky”, . . . that is NOT “persecution”.
BTW, I am not insulted by christians, nor their existence. I have christian friends that I enjoy spending time with.
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DeavonReye
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:11pmThanks, Brother_Ed. I was just making a valid observation on the subject of “people hearing god”. It was never meant as an insult.
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:14pmBrother Ed, I know people do that, I’m in a situation right now that it is happening, but people are people! I don’t the reason you are thinking of, I’m willing to guess it has to do with human ego, glad that you don’t want to be contentious.
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brother_ed
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:36pm@DESERTCATN
Living in the Bible-belt (actually Texas is the Bible-belt buckle), and am grateful that there are so many people wanting to have a relationship with God.
I do not think that anyone is going to ‘hell’ for belonging to the ‘wrong’ church.
I believe that “If ye seek, you will find”.
I believe DEAVONREYE made an excellent observation, and it is possible that that may be the reason many don’t join a church, they seem to be fighting against each other.
I do not think that ego is the only reason (or the main reason) that people start their own churches. They may be trying to reach a different segment of the population, they may be ‘seeding’ a church in another area, they may have a slight problem with some of the doctrine or practices of their own church.
Regardless, they are trying to do good and spread the word, therefor I applaud them.
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 12:39pmDeavon, I’m glad that you said that, I know many who don’t believe and with some there’s no problem but others it is hard to be around them, without them sniping. I think people are just people, nobody is perfect and I get pretty frustrated with the battles between us, when we should be focusing the loss of freedom for all of us. I apologize if I took it out on you.
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:02pmBrother Ed, I have to admit I don’t even go to church, I tried going here in Reno but they always want to put me in the hispanic outreach; I’m a Ft. Hood baby and just couldn’t relate. I found a church in the new town I am moving to, I tithe to them and visit when I can. I don’t know about churches and for a long time never thought I would find a place where I fit. People are people, I don’t know if it’s ego, was just guessing as to your answer. I had been back and forth with Deavon and some others before about this subject, so I might have jumped him unnecessarily; I did apologize. I’ve been through hell and back and the only thing that saved me was my personal relationship with God, it’s the only thing I am sure of!
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brother_ed
Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:04pm@DESERTCATN
Understood.
I like the C S Lewis idea that ‘religion is like a big hallway with many doors, just keep trying them until you find one that is right with you, but don’t just stand in the hallway’ (or something like that).
I also like the idea of trying hard to not be offended, nor offensive.
I am rarely offended, and I hope I am not offensive.
You sound like a great person, I’m sure you are doing a fine job.
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DeavonReye
Jan. 16, 2013 at 3:42pmThanks, Desertcatn. I realize that these subjects can produce conflict. No problem! :-)
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theotherberean
Jan. 16, 2013 at 5:21pmDeavon, I agree with you but I won’t give you the satisfaction of knowing that. ha ha
Bro Ed, there are many schisms of Mormonism, all claiming to believe in the Book of Mormon and all claiming to be the true church. 86 I think. So you have nothing on Christianity. Secondly, are non LDS going to heaven? If not, then belonging to the wrong church, certainly does have an effect on your salvation. Speaking of salvation, check out this chart: The impossible Gospel of Mormonism. http://blog.evidenceministries.org/the-impossible-gospel-of-mormonism-infographic/
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Desertcatn
Jan. 16, 2013 at 8:55pmGreat chatting with you both Deavon and Brother Ed, spent the day at the hot springs and mellowed out, lol. This whole attack on our freedom has had me pretty uptight. I hope all the freedom-loving Americans can come together and bring our government back to their senses and replace those who are corrupt.
Berean, I wasn’t sure if you are a Morman, I don’t know that much about their beliefs but I had no idea they were so split, very interesting!
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civilwarcometh
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:53amHey blaze how about reporting on what is really going on? How come all these no information story’s. I think the blaze and Glenn may have been threatened. Because there is alot of other sites are reporting on that the blaze won’t.
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Flashydave
Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:04pmActually I found this to be very spiritually refreshing. I too have done some preparations to protect my family by laying in supplies that will become unavailable soon due to civil unrest or economic collapse. But having had a recent experience, I just couldn’t stop reading the experiences of everyone else and will keep reading this thread as long as its here. Hopefully this thread will help many to find inner peace and strength thru God and Jesus. The stories you may read here would never be in the newspapers or on TV. But I have no doubt that they are real and have changed the lives of many people for the better. I just hope that you will recognise when a miracle happens to you, that its not fate’s fickle finger. Faith for most people is imperfect ( which is fearing Hell for eternity more than believing in God ). Faith is believing in the unreasonable and unprovable. But is the big bang anymore unrealistic. People take that as fact and that it happened more than 13 billion years ago, but the true answer is we just don’t know but have faith and trust. I recommend you to watch a few of the videos at http://www.prageru.com. Even if you haven’t any faith, watch “if Good and Evil exist, God Exists” and ‘Happiness is a Moral Obligation”. Hopefully they will make you more aware of things inside yourself.
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GhostOfJefferson
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:51amYou want an intensely religious experience?
Go tell the government to arrest you for having firearms, and that “I’ll sue your @ss off!” and you’ll get to meet Jesus a whole lot faster than you would otherwise. As if a government who doesn’t care about your rights, will care whether you sue or not in their system.
Here’s the fruit of passive resistance against a force that has no virtue: You get to be hogtied, your pets shot, your wife kicked in the stomach if she’s pregnant, your kids bound and gagged, and if you resist, they kill you. And then, you get an intensely religious experience.
You are so disappointing Glenn. When it is time for the rubber to meet the road, you fold like a cheap lawn chair *every single time*. No, standing in the street shooting is not a good idea, but organizing resistance and starting to fight back on *our* terms is the only way to keep our liberties.
Go talk to God some more, ask him about how the Founding Fathers handled British trying to take away their rights. Hint: They didn’t go out and ask to be arrested.
God honors courage and virtue and doing what’s right. I doubt He cottons much to cowardice. You are not MLK, sorry, and you’re piling dirt on your head by going down this misguided path.
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GhostOfJefferson
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:04amAnd Glenn (and Pat and Stu), if you wish to speak to me about this, come to my website and register for the Discussion area. If you follow my posts at all you know that I’m not un-civil and I try to be fair. But brother, you’re seriously on the wrong track and are advising absolutely dangerous actions that WILL see us all disarmed in very short order.
http://www.patriotsdonotcomply.com
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kryptonite
Jan. 16, 2013 at 1:35pm@GHOST
We don’t usually see eye to eye, but I’m with you on this one. I’ve said this before, Glenn is essentially advocating mass suicide.
Our friend Glenn is spiritually in the dark, and it shows. He is good at pinpointing the problem, but his religion gets in the way of an effective solution. Sadly, we need to disregard Glenn concerning courses of action. Look at Romney — and Ryan, for that matter — same thing. They are good men, but they don’t really understand who we are up against.
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theotherberean
Jan. 16, 2013 at 5:43pmIf they show up at your door for your guns and you say no, you can’t have them, arrest me, they’re coming in and taking your guns first, and if they refuse to arrest you, what will you do then?
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:51amYes – on the night my calling came it affirmed my mission to carry forth in service to Him and His cause and will. I say this much, may all have this happen to them as He deems best for you.
It is the majesty and awesomeness of God Himself laid bare against the human soul, and you will truly know the fear of the Lord. When it happens to a person, everything changes instantly, you never see the world the same again.
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PATTY HENRY
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:59amAMEN. (You speak the truth). How sad that others aren’t willing to hear; that they deny His existence. There is NOTHING more important in life than coming to GOD. Nothing. The other thing: We have to commit every day to GOD, it’s not a one shot fixes all but it sure gets one started! Our God is so AWESOME and the world He has for us is so beyond anything we can even begin to fathom for ourselves. Fear, worry, anxiety: All from SATAN trying to render us ineffective. It (personal relationship with GOD) is the greatest JOY, source of Comfort and Peace of my life. I won’t share specifics but those who have eyes will see; ears will hear. How does one get this? Go to GOD, express to Him your Desire to know Him. It’s really that simple.
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nilo
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:49amGod speaks to me directly everytime I open His Bible and read His perfect, complete revelation of His Will to all men. He speaks through His Son Jesus Christ (Hebrews 1:1-2. This is how He will speak to all men.
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revron
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:10amFor Nilo, my question is; are you open to having God communicate to you outside of through the written word? Is your God big enough to communicate to you through supernatural means? The word describes God but does not contain all that God is. God is bigger than His word.
We have the natural tendency to make God into our image. A God who no longer communicates personally to His children is a diminished concept of God, a golden calf if you will, that justifies the lack of power and supernatural experience in our lives. I pray you will encounter the Living God.
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Just_Us2
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:18amThank you for words of sanity.
It amazes me how people will totally ignore the bible, but say God spoke to me…and the message totally conflicts with what is in the bible….these people make a mockery of Christianity. If God speaks to people in audible tones, please, by all means record it. You could change the hearts of millions, if not billions and strengthen the faith of countless others.
If you cannot record it, you are schizophrenic, go get help from a mental health professional. You can say you heard from God all you like, I am not buying what you’re selling and I question your sanity. His bible is clear, I don’t know what makes you so special that He would have to take the time to repeat what He already said in person. Sorry, you’re not anymore special than the rest of us…more mentally unstable…yes….more special in the eyes of God than anyone else…no.
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revron
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:32amJust us2
It doesn’t reveal how special I am, but how special, loving and personal God is and can be. My Bible says that we serve a God who speaks (Hebrews 12:25), thats present tense! Hebrews says we are not to refuse the God who speaks.
The Bible describes an idol as someone who is fashioned by man’s hands and can not speak, in addition to other things. Anyone holding to a concept of God that doesn’t allow Him to speak serves a diminished, man made concept of God who invented a theology to justify their unbelief. or lack of experienced.
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Locked
Jan. 16, 2013 at 10:41am@Just_Us2
I agree with everything you just wrote. Bravo!
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Just_Us2
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:01amSorry, a warm fuzzy feeling that you attribute to God is called emotion. Just because you had a “feeling” and you attribute it to God, does not make it biblical. Feelings are important, yes, but God is not one to titillate the senses. I see no one publicly raising the dead. I see no one publicly going in to hospitals and cleaning them out. In the past, the Apostles performed a miracle, a crowd gathered, then they preached. Today a crowd is gathered, a sermon is preached and then a very limited amount of “miracles” are performed, people are swept away by an emotional experience, and it’s all attributed to God.
None of the miracles in the bible were done in secret or in a tent meeting. They were done in front of enemies and non-believers. Loving and obeying God was not fun and warm for his followers in the bible. Every follower is promised persecution. Stephen saw Jesus…just as he was about to die from stones being thrown at him. Paul saw Jesus, just as he was struck blind and leaning that everything he ever thought was true was wrong. My religious experience came from reading God’s word, which doesn’t seem to be sufficient for many. I am sure this verse goes over like a lead balloon for the feelings crowd: Phil 3:10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. But you go ahead a trust your warm fuzzy
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revron
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:31amWhat part of my testimony is inconsistent with scripture? Show me where the Bible says that God no longer does miracles or directly intervenes in the affairs of men. By your own words, you base what you don’t believe on your personal experience, not on God’s word. Even as a sessationist you must agree that God did miracles yesterday, over there, for them. The Bible clearly states that miracles will be commonplace in the last days. Why is it we have the faith to believe that God could do it yesterday and tomorrow for them over there but we can’t muster the faith that he wants to do it here, today, for us! We don’t see miracles because we have greater faith in our recent experience (or lack thereof) than we do in God’s word. When we have more faith in what the Bible clearly teaches than we have in our present experience, we will see miracles.
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AVW
Jan. 16, 2013 at 4:24pmif gods bible was complete then why did he give a new testament?…why is it that all religions that came after judaism happened to make things more convenient and easier. ive never heard of a reform that was more obligation and more difficult.do u think its a coincidence? the underlying concept is if the obligation is to heavy ill change it. Christianity changed gods will to your will
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theotherberean
Jan. 16, 2013 at 5:05pmHey Revron, read the New Testament. All throughout the Apostles teach that we are to hold fast to their teachings and all other teachings are to be tested by that which we have received from them. People like Joseph Smith and Ellen White are clearly false prophets and teachers.
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revron
Jan. 16, 2013 at 5:42pmTheotherberean,
didn’t the Apostles perform signs and wonders? Didn’t they and Christ teach that ALL who believe would do likewise (Mark 16:17,18, Acts 2:38, 39)? This IS the teaching of Christ and the Apostle Paul. Smith and White were false prophets but believing in a God who still does wonders does not violate scriptures. Other than the abuse of 1 Corinthians 13 that led to sessationism, a doctrine contrived by men to justify our powerlessness, show me where it says that God doesn’t do these things anymore. Get God out of your religious box.
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theotherberean
Jan. 16, 2013 at 6:56pm@Rev, I was referring to your argument that God “speaks” to us outside of the written Word. Which I disagree with. God has spoken to us, once for all, through His Apostles and Prophets.
Heb 1:2 “but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.”
The N.T. repeatedly instructs us to hold fast to that doctrine which we have already been taught, which negates the possibility of “new revelation” or God speaking to us outside of the Scriptures.
Also, ultimately, not all of the gifts are with us today. There are no “miracle workers,” nor have there been since the last Apostle died. That’s why we need hospitals, mortuaries and psych wards, because we don’t see miracle workers wandering around healing the sick, raising the dead, casting out demons, etc..
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revron
Jan. 16, 2013 at 9:42pmtheotherberean.
let me try to change directions because you shouldn’t argue with a brother.
I pastor a church God showed me 21 years before in a dream. Everything I saw I did not possess at the time of the dream but did have once I got here, including; a wife, 2 kids, a large blue car with dark blue interior and a red brick house with a white front door.
My call to ministry was supernatural; during a time of private worship, God literally spoke to me and said “sell everything you have and go back to school.”
The Bible warns us not to cast our pearls before swine, I pray you can receive this. What I’ve experienced, I have experienced by the grace of God. Certainly you must see that after I have had these and many other life altering encounters the futility in trying to persuaded me otherwise by someone who has theology only. A person with theology only cannot persuade a person with an encounter.
If your God is God, the best you can hope to be is a good, moral person. YOU DON’T NEED JESUS TO DO THAT!
If my God, the miracle working God is Lord, then I can be used to transform lives and bring his kingdom to the earth.
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gac1218
Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:21pmObarth
Just because God has not spoken supernaturally to you doesn’t mean he hasn’t to others. When you say he doesn’t speak outside of His word you are correct. But, sometimes he speaks his word directly to us in supernatural encounters. But it is never for our entertainment or necessarily because we are “special”. It’s just, situationally the best avenue in that particular situation for him to accomplish His will at the time. He gives us His word, The Holy Spirit, signs and wonders, ministry gifts and all the spiritual gifts to advance His Kingdom. Using one tool to build that house is very ineffective. New Testament scripture tells us to test the prophets, and later to not despise(stifle) prophecy. The Lord has spoken directly to me, through dreams and visions that have come true, and propheticly in my mind that I spoke and later came true, but mostly he speaks to me through revelation of His written word. Discounting those things is robbing yourself of the blessings of God and doing a disservice to the advancement of the Kingdom of God.
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