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Prominent Christian Pastor Stuns Evangelicals With This Shocking Endorsement of Gay Relationships

Jan. 16, 2013 12:33pm Billy Hallowell

When one of the most prominent evangelical Christian leaders steps out in support of same-sex relationships, heads naturally turn. This is exactly what has unfolded in the United Kingdom after Steve Chalke, the senior minister at Oasis Church who is widely regarded as one of the region’s key faith leaders, came out in support of homosexuality. He announced his change-of-heart — one that is sending shock-waves throughout the international evangelical community — in the most recent issue of Christianity magazine.

In his startling proclamation, Chalke admitted being nervous about how the news will be received. He noted that some will accuse him of drifting away from the Christian scriptures, while others will claim he’s no longer an evangelical. However, he noted that his ideological transition comes after “prayerful reflection.”

“I feel both compelled and afraid to write this article. Compelled because, in my understanding, the principles of justice, reconciliation and inclusion sit at the very heart of Jesus’ message,” the pastor wrote. “Afraid because I recognise the Bible is understood by many to teach that the practice of homosexuality, in any circumstance, is a sin or ‘less than God’s best.’”

UK Pastor Steve Chalke Shocks Evangelicals With Endorsement of Gay Relationships

Pastor Steve Chalke (Photo Credit: Twitter)

For those wondering how Chalke rectifies the traditional Christian view on gay marriage with new new-found beliefs, consider some portions of his article, which highlight his primary arguments on the matter:

One tragic outworking of the Church’s historical rejection of faithful gay relationships is our failure to provide homosexual people with any model of how to cope with their sexuality, except for those who have the gift of, or capacity for, celibacy. In this way we have left people vulnerable and isolated. When we refuse to make room for gay people to live in loving, stable relationships, we consign them to lives of loneliness, secrecy and fear. It’s one thing to be critical of a promiscuous lifestyle – but shouldn’t the Church consider nurturing positive models for permanent and monogamous homosexual relationships? [...]

Christianity is not about a book, but about a person who is the word of God made flesh. On the issue of women or slavery, as just two examples, the New Testament closes some distance from where even the most conservative Christian now is in their understanding. The process of understanding the character and will of Yahweh as revealed through Jesus is an ongoing task for every generation.

Here is my question: shouldn’t we take the same principle that we readily apply to the role of women, slavery, and numerous other issues, and apply it to our understanding of permanent, faithful, homosexual relationships? Wouldn’t it be inconsistent not to?

Chalke notes that he is finally making his views public, because he believes that peoples’ lives are at stake. He describes how homosexuals feel when they are cut out and treated negatively by believers — something he decries in the article. He notes that “tolerance is not the same as Christ-like love” and he petitions that Christians go beyond the former to properly show the latter.

The pastor believes that it is essential for believers to find ways to “formerly support and encourage” those engaged in same-sex partnerships, so that they, too, can become an active part of “Christ’s body.”

Photo Credit: Facebook

Throughout the article, Chalke also takes the opportunity to address portions of the Bible that purportedly condemn homosexuality, calling them into question and attempting as they are traditionally understood to also add context to the discussion. On his web site, in a separate article entitled, “A Matter of Integrity,” he clarified his stance in an abridged discussion on the issue of homosexuality.

“Rather than condemn and exclude, can we dare to create an environment for homosexual people where issues of self-esteem and wellbeing can be talked about,” he writes. “Where the virtues of loyalty, respect, interdependence and faithfulness can be nurtured, and where exclusive and permanent same-sex relationships can be supported?”

Not everyone is responding favorably to his change of heart, but some are disagreeing with calmness and rational rebuttal. Take, for instance, Steve Clifford, the director of the U.K.’s Evangelical Alliance, who penned an open letter (read it here) in which he called Chalke a friend who has contributed greatly to the Christian cause. However, he expressed intense disagreement with the preacher’s newfound views on homosexuality.

“While I understand and respect Steve’s pastoral motivations, I believe the conclusions he has come to on same-sex relationships are wrong,” he said. “Generations of Christians have faced the challenge of making the gospel relevant within their cultural settings. The danger we all face, and I fear Steve has succumbed to, is that we produce ‘a god’ in our own likeness or in the likeness of the culture in which we find ourselves.”

You can read all of Chalke’s arguments in support of same-sex relationships here.

(H/T: Christianity Today)

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Comments (194)

roscoe569
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:11pm
I think he made some good points, which we could quietly reflect on rather than rushing to condemn to Hell. Please…let us hear from real Christians, not loony bible thumpers.

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- DJ in AZ
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:31pm
  If someone wants to live in an unholy, second-rate relationship that will end once this life is over and damn him or her self to not being able to live with God in the eternities, then I think a homosexual relationship is just what the doctor ordered! What a great way to live below your potential blessings!
  
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- brosephus
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 5:00pm
  So you want to hear from Christians, but not ones that read the bible?
  
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- American Soldier (Separated)
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 5:47pm
  DJ and you judging them is what sin?
  
  All sins are equal right? So I suppose you might be sharing some oven space with those homosexual after All!!!
  
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- yaya
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 6:51pm
  Please explain your understanding of a real Christian as opposed to a looney bible thumper. Inquiring minds would like to know.
  
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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 7:15pm
  Look at the evidence, all the evidence before you decide that he makes some good points.
  
  Here is a point for you:
  Communist Party USA (Committee’s of Correspondence), set up Mattechine Society founded by Henry Hay to infiltrate culture and make homosexuality normal using Hollywood, media and education. Engineering society including changing the very definition of marriage is blocked by values of a Christian Civilization; Healthy nuclear families prevent the agenda of the left – The left has to destroy the biblical family.
  
  The left realizes in an effort to destroy our culture have to go after the very things our Judeo/Christian culture honors: morality, belief in God, faith, the importance of family, sanctity of life, and sanctity of marriage.
  
  Our enemies can see our morality is our greatest strength. Freedom – Free Enterprise is fruit on the Tree of Morality. Marx was at war with God, sought to dethrone god and deify man. Family falls apart, church looses influence and a free people’s government collapses. The Ideas that made America great and unique came straight out of the bible. Founders understood this principle and so do our enemies.
  “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other” John Adams
  
  here is something for you to read:
  http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf
  
  and something watch:
  https://vimeo.com/52009124
  THEN will talk!
  
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- fmbmitgt
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 9:49pm
  Roscoe, I’m not sure if I understand the difference between what you call a real Christian and a Bible thumper. Perhaps the latter speaks the truth and the former does it in love. I’m not against homosexuals, because God is not against homosexuals. I am against homosexual behavior, because God writes in the Bible that it is wrong. It’s that simple. This man has decided not to just go against God’s teachings, but tries to convince others to join him. He’ll have to answer for it….
  
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- tonypro
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 10:25pm
  Christian Pastor that supports gays.
  
  Contradiction in itself.
  
  Nuff said
  
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- Smashallcommunists
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 10:42pm
  Jesus Christ was a Bible-thumper. If the Bible is not the final rule in faith and practice—what is? Whatever anyone wants. Either God’s say is final, or sinful man. Real Christians love Christ and His HOLY WORD, and do not argue with nor try to PERVERT IT, like that phoney in this article, who no doubt, is a Sodomite himself. And now he is LYING ABOUT what the Bible plainly teaches, while PRETENDING to be all loving with his SICKENING syruppy blather. That talk is not love, but hateful vomit from the Devil. This man is an apostate
  
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- maccow
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 11:47pm
  @Roscoe
  I am quietly reflecting on the line “Christianity is not about a book, but about a person who is the word of God made flesh” and this “Religious Leader” looses me instantly. If the Bible, the “Book” that Christianity isn’t about, is not the word that Jesus lived, then we, enlightened men, can make up any rules that fit the accepted cultural norms of the day. Jesus is not to be taken separately from the entirety of the book because He authored the whole thing and then lived out its over-arching message in a three year ministry on earth. Jesus is the author of ALL of Genesis through Revelation, not just some passages in Matthew through John.
  Sin is sin and we are all sinners, murderers, thieves, adulterers, fornicators, and homosexuals alike. Jesus never said love the murderer and accept their murdering. Love the thief and accept their thievery. Love the adulterer and accept their adultery. Love the homosexual and accept their homosexuality. Jesus said go and sin no more.
  Jesus does not want to be one of the life style choices you choose to embrace.
  Jesus does not want to be the number one choice with your homosexual lifestyle coming in a distant second.
  Jesus wants to to be number one in your life on a life style list of one.
  He deserves no less.
  To make Him less is to deny His Lordship.
  God Bless
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 12:35am
  @ROSCOE569
  
  The Gid I have come to know is a loving God.
  
  We call Him our Heavenly Father and he loves all if His children, though He wishes some would behave better (be more obedient to His commandments).
  
  He wants to bless us, but these blessings are contingent on our obedience; He loves us all equally, but blesses us according to our actions.
  
  We all fall short of His ideal – we all sin (are disobedient) – so He sent His Son to atone for our sins, allowing us to be clean. There is, however, a requirement for this cleanse; Faith in Jesus Christ is one of those requirements.
  
  Justice demands a price be paid for transgression. Whe God says, “Thou shalt not…”, He means it. If it were not so, He would not be God, or the rules would mean nothing.
  
  Jesus Christ, through His atoning sacrifice, paid the price for us. All’s He asks is for is to acknowledge this fact and to be thankful for it (to put it simply). In this way, mercy can be given without robbing Justice.
  
  To make a long story short, blessings come from obedience…when you sin, you lose out on blessings…repentance (changing behavior and using the atonement) can put you on the right track and put you in a position to receive blessings.
  
  I do not know which blessings are being withheld due to adultery, compared to lying, or compared to homosexuality. Therefore, we need to search God’s words and try to be as obedient as possible – and only God knows what is possible for each of us.
  
  I hope that he
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 11:26am
  BROTHER_ED
  
  You speak of brotherly love and the love of God but you neglect to mention that G0d is also a God of war and wrath.
  
  Any and all that do not believe upon Christ (Romans 10:9-10) are children of WRATH and are condemned to the eternal lake of fire.
  
  It is not about following the law, the law can only condemn. It is all about BELIEVING upon Christ (1 Cor 15:1-4) for salvation.
  
  If one believes upon Christ one will be taken/resurrected/raptured (Rev 3:10) before the 7 year tribulation http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 12:20pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  Of course, faith in Jesus Christ is absolutely a requirement, but you cannot ignore ‘the law’.
  
  The devils that were cast out and sent into the swine (Matthew) believed in Jesus…as a matter of fact, they KNEW he was the Son of God and the Savior of the world.
  
  That tells me that belief (or faith) is not the only thing required for our salvation.
  
  We will be judged on our acts. Since only God knows our hearts and our abilities and what we were capable of doing, He is the only one capable of judging us.
  
  Jesus has taken upon himself the penalty for our sins, and we need to accept Him as our savior in order to access that gift. We show that acceptance by following His commandments…we need ACT.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 8:40pm
  BROTHER_ED
  
  There can be no works added to grace because it would no longer be grace
  
  Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
  
  Col 2:14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
  
  If you add works then you are preaching ANOTHER GOSPEL and become like the cults of catholicism, Mormonism and on and on
  
  Gal 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
  
  9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 10:09pm
  @THERAPRURECOMES
  
  As a matter of fact, I am a Latter Day Saint, and we do believe that it is only by Grace that we are saved. I can give many references of our leaders saying that.
  
  My question is: why do we have commandments, if it does not matter if we follow them? Why give commandments telling us how to behave if the only thing required is to ‘believe’?
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 10:32pm
  BROTHER_ED
  
  Mormonism is a cult as will be shown at the resurrection/rapture. You follow and teach another Gospel Gal 1:8-9
  
  Leave that cult and become a believer upon the real Jesus Christ of the scriptures and not a follower of the idol Christ of cults
  
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- brother_ed
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 11:23pm
  @THERAPTURECOMES
  
  I appreciate your concern (seriously).
  
  I have no desire to change as of now…but I’ll keep studying.
  
  I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Savior of the world. I believe that it is by his grace that we are saved. I try hard to follow the commandments; I love God, and I love my neighbor. I read my scriptures (almost) everyday. I pray daily. I do my best to follow Christ, and I hope to be better every day. I don’t pretend to know all the answers, but I am learning.
  
  We have more in common than you might think.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 11:58pm
  BROTHER_ED
  
  You could not be further from the truth.
  
  You believe in Polytheism as in three separate and distinct gods and in fact that there are millions of gods out in the universe
  The bible teaches Monotheism one God three personages = Trinity.
  
  You believe that God was once a man that spiritually evolved into a god
  The bible teaches that God has no beginning or end
  
  You believe that Jesus Christ is the first spirit child of god and his wife and is brother to Lucifer
  The bible teaches that Jesus Christ is ‘THE’ God, THE I AM, The EVERLASTING FATHER and creator of all that is created
  
  I could go on and on and show you that fact that the BOM contradicts the teachings of the bible but to what purpose. You wont listen
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 3:29pm
  @BROTHER_ED
  
  Well said. So many people don’t understand that we absolutely do believe that the only way to return to the Father is through Jesus Christ and that there is no other name in heaven in which we can be saved. Additionally, many people can’t distinguish between how we are saved (through Christ’s grace) and how we QUALIFY to be saved (by following the commandments… i.e. good works). You made an excellent point that even the devils believe and accept that Christ is the Son of God; yet they are not saved. According to some that should be enough, but they forget the wisdom and teachings of James. (faith without works is dead – James, Chapter 2 – repeated several times with several examples). It is our willingness to follow our Father and His Son and do what they command, that will justify/qualify us for the grace of Christ. Maybe Christ himself can explain it better to our friends here:
  
  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21.
  
  Thanks!
  
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Rob
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:08pm
Liberals…change the rules as they go.

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- pavepaws
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:55pm
  When did Chalke come out?
  
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- Kaoscontrol
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:01pm
  Steve Chalke: “shouldn’t we take the same principle that we readily apply to the role of women, slavery, and numerous other issues, and apply it to our understanding of permanent, faithful, homosexual relationships?”
  
  How about Pedophilia and Bestiality, Murder or Adultery Steve? Women and Slaves didn’t become women and slaves because they followed through on some wild desire.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:31pm
  I am going to bet the real stunning moment is going to be when this apostate man stands before a Holy God, and answers for what he is doing
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:49pm
  looks like his “church” was about to go out of business so he decided to appeal to a new market. this is exactly why people who make their living as pastors have a conflict of interest. I’m sure this pastor also forgot to read these verses teaching that there should be no paid ministry.
  
  freely ye have received, freely give, Matt. 10:8
  these hands have ministered unto my necessities, Acts 20:34
  working with our own hands, 1 Cor. 4:12
  I preach … the gospel of Christ without charge, 1 Cor. 9:18
  we … wrought with labour … not be chargeable to any of you, 2 Thes. 3:8
  Feed the flock … not for filthy lucre, 1 Pet. 5:2
  
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- Chet Hempstead
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 3:08pm
  Yes, we change the rules when they are stupid rules made by primitive people who kept slaves, sacrificed animals, and executed people for minor offenses. Of course we change the stupid rules.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 3:23pm
  I hope your new found popularity is enough of a reward for you pastor. God holds His teachers to a high standard and He does not look kindly on those who lead His flock astray.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 3:52pm
  that be no man of God
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 3:56pm
  This be no man of God and Jude 6-7 shows what will happen to all that seek strange flesh.
  
  The resurrection/rapture http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
  The only way to be saved and to be taken in the resurrection/rapture is through the gospel
  
  Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
  
  10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
  
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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 7:28pm
  ROB – Relentless effort since 1883 regardless of who has been in office to change this culture and country in a way that it can never be changed back again. No conspiracy just verifiable facts!
  
  Lowering of standards, don’t teach classics, don’t study how US Constitution was formed. Based on Identity politics teaching about tolerance, diversity, multi-culturalism and produce a collective, dependency mindset. Less then 10% of children in a poll believe in absolute right and wrong. Training them for a collective and dependency mindset.
  
  Imorality promoted through schools, sex-ed curriculum paid for by tax dollars would shock most parents. Battle going on for hearts and minds of children – down in first grade with “Heather has two mommies” and “Daddy’s new roommate” gay pride parade
  
  Average patriotic America underestimates the importance and influence of education in our schools that’s how the large majority we had to elect Reagan in a landslide in 1980 has been lost. Not because the left has lots of children – they abort theirs – they capture ours through the propaganda they teach them 7 hours a day for 13 years and even longer if they attend college. Losing most of our children to the other side because of the anti-God, anti-America, anti-capitalism they are being taught in government schools.
  
  Everyone who has not seen this needs to watch and share it.
  Give it 5 minutes and you won’t walk away!
  It is free on line for the moment
  https://v
  
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TEIN
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:08pm
There are no homosexual people!!!! There are homosexual acts!!!! Marriage in the Lord’s definition are between a man and a woman…..Sex act was to bring oneness to marriage and to procreate children…the use of sex outside of marriage heterosexual or homosexual has always been seen as act not approved of or being a teaching of Christ or Jehovah….. sorry Steve, you are relying on the wisdom man not the Lord…

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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:22pm
  Church attendance is down how is his business suppose to make money without finding new costumers to which to sale his product. A religion that moves with society isn’t a religion its an industry.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:42pm
  @NAUGHTYCAL
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:22pm
  Church attendance is down how is his business suppose to make money without finding new costumers to which to sale his product. A religion that moves with society isn’t a religion its an industry.
  ——————————
  Bingo.
  Nice try Rev.
  However, discerning people of faith in the one true God rightly discern between good and evil.
  
  Romans 16:17-18 – Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
  
  Matthew 7:15 – Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
  
  Timothy Chapter 4:3 – For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:46pm
  @Tein
  
  “There are no homosexual people!”
  
  Sure there are. “Homosexuals” are people who have sexual feelings of attraction for those of the same sex.
  
  “the use of sex outside of marriage heterosexual or homosexual has always been seen as act not approved of or being a teaching of Christ or Jehovah.”
  
  You are absolutely correct here. Homosexual acts are sinful according to the Bible, as is having sex before marriage.
  
  I disagree with the UK pastor on a key portion of his speech:
  “One tragic outworking of the Church’s historical rejection of faithful gay relationships is our failure to provide homosexual people with any model of how to cope with their sexuality, except for those who have the gift of, or capacity for, celibacy. In this way we have left people vulnerable and isolated. When we refuse to make room for gay people to live in loving, stable relationships, we consign them to lives of loneliness, secrecy and fear.”
  
  Is this not the same issue that single Christians (or divorcees) also face? Are those who are not married vulnerable and isolated, consigned to lives of loneliness, secrecy and fear? OF COURSE NOT! Saying that “oh, well you can always get married if you want to have sex” is approaching marriage in completely the wrong way! You shouldn’t get married just because you want to get laid.
  
  Yeesh, it’s like he didn’t even read the Bible.
  
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- LeftOfRightOfLeft
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:44pm
  @NAUGHTYCAL
  
  Today’s bible has been edited over time. Translation from one language to another is never 100% esp when you’re working with texts as old as the bible is. Hebrew to English translation is a marketing move to get more followers. So your holy bible is evolving with the times. Unless you’re reading your bible in the language it was originally written in and with every word explained how it was used in the period you’re reading a new updated modern version of the bible.
  
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- beeney
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:46pm
  TEIN,
  You are so right and it couldn’t have been said better. People generally “think” themselves in to a corner when they try to complicate Gods Word. First of all He said to not only treat other people with love, but also, to love them. This blows this “pastors” logic right out the window. To try and put the bible in context on matters such as homosexuality is ludicrous. Granted, there are many views held in churches today that were developed from taking the bible out of context. But this is definitely not one of them. Our church looks at this situation just as one would look at a drug addict or prostitute who comes to our church. We don’t kick them out. We love them and treat them as the person God created. They are simply out of step with God and need to come to a knowledge of how loving He is. Perhaps this pastor is in an environment of religious spirits. As you say, homosexuality is the sin God deplores, it is not the person. I don’t think we should encourage the drug addict to continue doing drugs. No we love them in their condition and teach them the Word of God and let the word wash them as they come to know God. We have had many people come to our church with homosexual lifestyles. They have either grown in the knowledge of Christ or they have chosen to move on. We have never done anything but love them and nourish them in the Word. Perhaps the pastor needs to emphasize the love of Christ and dwell less on challenging this controversial issu
  
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- DeeCee
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 3:19pm
  @LEFTOFRIGHTOFLEFT
  
  That’s a bunch of liberal, lilly-livered garbage, used to accept, condone or promote whatever it is that you are trying to change or deny as being biblically true.
  
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- YAHSHUARULES
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 7:20pm
  TEIN good observation! The idea that people are defining themselves with what is between their legs rather then between their ears is all part of the agenda:
  
  What is being taught in government schools today is to break down basic rules of morality and move culture in a direction designed to destroy it. Large part of this agenda is to make us immoral people. Professors, educationalists and journalists are the Gramscian shock troops of the future to control the culture and once you control the culture you can shape the thought of rising generations and change the country in a way where it can never be changed back again.
  
  This is the most comprehensive, best movie I have seen pulling all this together. I have watched it 12X to absorb all that is in it…
  
  give it 5 minutes and you won’t be able to walk away
  
  Watch it. Share it. Arrange a showing in church, groups, clubs, with friends or family. Everyone who loves America needs to see this movie,
  
  It is free on line for the moment
  
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  If America goes down, the free world will go down with it and it will be finished for a very, very long time…
  
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eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:08pm
Oh please. Steve Chalke is only considered “prominent” in the U.K. – he is virtually unknown in the U.S. (except perhaps with the U.N. crowd, as he is a “special adviser” to the U.N.). Chalke’s radical, anti-Biblical opinions are of little interest to American Christians.

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RANGER1965
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:07pm
This isn’t drifting away.

Drifting away is when you let the complexities of life slowly push away from God. Drifting away is when the passion for God is dampened, and you don’t feel the joy you once felt. Drifting away is when you used to wake early to read the Word of God just so you would have some nuggets to think on during the day.

This is a pastor who made a conscious and informed decision with full knowledge of the Word of God, the sin of homosexuality, and it’s implications. If he supported homosexuality and then hung up his pastorate and said that he could no longer be a pastor because he supported the homosexual lifestyle then it would at least be admirable, that he is a man of conviction. That he backs up his belief.

Instead this little weasel is going to take cowardly way out and continue on as a pastor, essentially becoming a false teacher. The Bible has much to say on false teachers, and none of it is good.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals like any other sinners going to church. There is nothing wrong with pastors ministering to homosexuals, or any other sinner. As long as the pastor, and the sinner understands that the behavior IS a sin. The moment the pastor, or the congregant no longer accepts that his/her behavior is a sin unto God, is the moment that one or the other needs to move on.

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Lordchamp
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:03pm
Anyone wanting to absolve themselves of their responsibility can rationalize it in any number of ways to make it sound logical. It still does not change that personal responsibility.

You either live by biblical teachings or you do not. The choice is yours along with the judgement for your choices.

Without teachings of right and wrong we can’t exist as a society. History shows that when a society goes down this road and the supposed religious leaders themselves turn away from teaching right and wrong as established by nature, societal collapse will follow.

Humans don’t change, situations do. What was done in history will be repeated if we repeat the same actions.

Edison said it best, insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results.

I do agree with him in one respect of what will be said. He is not evangelical and he is not representing Christian values in any way.

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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:23pm
  When the bible said love thy brother it didn’t mean in the ****.
  
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- honeydijon13
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:52pm
  The bible is just a book.
  Dismissed by tens of millions Americans.
  Millions of others do not believe in god.
  
  Yet, on issue after issue god and the bible are rammed down their throats
  as some standards to live by or be labelled immoral or sinners.
  It’s really time for SOME christians to just grow up and think like adults.
  
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- DYNA
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 2:23am
  @honeydijon13
  
  Your argument is with His Holy Spirit, not us. Without His Holy Spirit the Bible is unintelligible. He reveals Himself to only those who want Him. Unbelief does not comprehend.
  
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Female
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:02pm
Just little compromises,

Obviously GOD, the Creator of procreation or sex didn’t know what he was talking about when HE called it abomination! Just love and accept all the bf Adam and Steve and cl Adama and Eve. as you would those who follow GOD’s plan of Adam and Eve.

GOD is now vomiting over the loss of your soul to the depravity of man and the desire to please the people, rather than obey the word.

Turn away from such as these hellbound liars, who deny the Word of God.

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VoteRightDammit
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:02pm
I am a serial murderer. Can’t help it; that’s just what I like doing.

Accept me and endorse my likes, because otherwise you make no room for a God-fearing Christian who likes to kill people, and I and my cohorts would be left with no alternative but to abstain. Not fair.

Geeze – what idiots these days pose as men of God!

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- Bootlegger97
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:14pm
  That was a slam dunk!
  
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- Priscilla King
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:25pm
  Yes, this is where it leads. Christians have to make a distinction between loving people who don’t practice Christian discipline, which we must do, and endorsing behavior that violates Christian discipline, which we must avoid.
  
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- Zeus is THE Lord
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:40pm
  Deluded fools, living not in the real world, but one of archaic fables…
  
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- HYPNOTOAD
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:59pm
  Yes, lets talk about fools…
  
  • Wise men store up knowledge, but the mouth of a fool invites ruin.
  • He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a fool.
  • The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice.
  • Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly.
  • A wise man fears the LORD and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and reckless.
  • The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes folly.
  • This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!
  • Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear.
  
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- American Soldier (Separated)
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 5:58pm
  Slam dunk? Is that rally how your though process works?
  
  This is the kind of thread where my military service gets questioned and I get accused of being encinom…..
  
  …but here goes.. comparing one act, between two consenting adults doing something private in the comfort of their own home so a serial killer who takes someone life without their consent?
  
  That is a slam dunk argument? Really?
  
  OK time to call me encinom now that I broke away from standard conservative wisdom and disagreed with you…..
  
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KingCanon
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:01pm
According to your logic…
Perhaps you should allow cockroaches and rats to nibble at your
dinner plate so they to can be an active part of your dinner plans.

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- 4truth2all
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:18pm
  Yes … and a house that does this would be found to have the black plague… anybody for seconds!
  
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carbonated
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:00pm
He’s not the first to pick and choose what part of Scripture he wants to believe (based on how he feels at any particular moment). Dear Leader does this with the Constitution all the time – “I don’t like that part – I’m going to say it doesn’t exist.” Moron.

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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:34pm
  ALL Christians do this, Carb, ALL Christians. You are lying to yourself if you don’t believe you do this too.
  
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- HYPNOTOAD
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:43pm
  SOSORRYFORYOU: You couldn’t be more wrong. You only speak for yourself. Nice try judging us though. The funny thing is I feel SO SORRY FOR YOU that you are so blind and full of hatred for the one true God.
  
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- AVW
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 3:27pm
  HYPNOTOAD:
  
  do you keep the sabbath? i dont think so…so you pick as well…dw i get it, religion is all about making things easier for youself
  
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Just_Us2
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:00pm
Seems you could use his argument for just about anything….bestiality, pedophilia, prostitution, etc. In six months this guy will come out that he is gay and this paves the way to excuse his own behavior.

People use the same old tired reasons to excuse bad behavior. Calling evil good and good evil is nothing new.

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- flyere45
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:19pm
  That was the first thing that came to my mind also. You can justify a lot using this guys logic.
  
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- gac1218
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:49pm
  Thus the need to use God’s logic, as ours in prone to failure and results in the appropriate judgement.
  
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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 6:00pm
  True, but it is becoming more and more of our societies everday life. I keep the thought in my mind how epidemic it has become and how much further and further we are into the last days. Foolish preachers and pastors distort and decide for themselves what is right and wrong, lead their people and the people do not read their scriptures and say stop!, you are leading us away from truth! Many are sheep and led away. I’m in my late 60′s and have seen the huge change, but many today are no more than frogs getting hotter and hotter.
  
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- DYNA
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 2:37am
  @Jenny Lind
  
  Your right. The path that leads to destruction is wider than I thought.
  There is a way that seems right to man, but in the end its way is death (separation from God).
  
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yaya
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:00pm
God’s word is the Bible… is not about WE..it is about HIM. Either you preach/teach God’s infallible word or you don’t. We can’t pick and choose….and before someone brings up the Old Testament..Jesus is the answer.

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randy
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:58pm
And I bet he’s Gay…. Because he is no Christian!

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- demsrtraitors
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:03pm
  You can’t be a Christian and promote what God forbids.
  
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- 4everJoy
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 3:04pm
  He may be a Christian, wouldn’t waste time wondering about his salvation status. BUT he skates on thin ice as a teacher who endorses what God clearly forbids: “…we who teach will be judged more strictly” (James 1:1). So shudder for him. What God demands, He supplies; if He demands holy living, he supplies the power through Christ to no longer be enslaved to sinful behaviors. Christianity 101, sheese.
  
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- snooop1e
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 6:56pm
  “You can’t be a Christian and promote what God forbids”
  
  You raise a VERY good point, but then again what Evangelical/Protestant denomination doesn’t allow divorce and remarriage? Jesus said if a man divorces his wife and remarries he commits adultery.
  
  I’ve seen Televangelists Preachers divorce their Televangelist wife to marry another Televangelist Preacher….and we wonder why non-believers reject the Gospel message and consider us hypocrites….
  PAX CHRISTI
  
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jungle J
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:57pm
perfect example of the crazy religious…I never heard of this soon to come out person. Another progressive operative placed in positions of relevance by the enemy within. You know …like arlen and petraus and and and.

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brigott
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:54pm
If I understand his reasoning correctly, he is saying that because the Church didn’t do enough to help homosexuals live with their homosexuality, the Church has to acquiesce and say homosexuality is acceptable.

God calls homosexual acts – and ALL sexual acts outside of a husband and wife relationship – fornication and an abomination.

Should the Church also start accepting adultery because some people commit adultery?

His reasoning is humanistic, NOT biblical.

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- yaya
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:04pm
  You are so right. He is putting we in front of HIM and it doesn’t work that way.
  
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- CathyvanDyke
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:14pm
  Isaiah 5:20
  What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter.
  
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Female
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:53pm
RUN! Heretic in the pulpit! RUN, the Roman Road away from the deceiver! RUN!

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- rt elms
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:57pm
  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
  
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kickagrandma
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:52pm
He is no CHRISTIAN.

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- john vincent
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:02pm
  kick-
  
  next, he’ll be saying a bank robber has every right to display his philanthropy by providing his kin with cars, pools, estate homes, etc, all the prosperity crap of a false gospel.
  
  I seem to recall it is an ‘abomination’ for a man to lie with a man, but maybe the ‘pastor’ cant read. Troubling times
  
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- momrules
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:34pm
  I agree Kick. He is changing the Word of God to suit his own purpose.
  One of the problems we face today is the promotion of sin in the name of tolerance.
  
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- Free_Thought
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:45pm
  And neither are you grandma. We have all read your posts where you have denigrated people, refused to pray for people and admonish those that dont believe what you do. Keep in mind that the devil can quote the bible verbatim.
  
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am123
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:52pm
Homosexuality is an abomination and a stench in the nostrils of the Most High. Woe unto those who call evil (homosexuality) good and teach others that homosexual relationships are good—there are fiery pits in hell reserved for them!

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- girlnurse
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:10pm
  “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20
  
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- Zeus is THE Lord
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:42pm
  AM123, someone should shove a Bible so far up your ass that you’re puking Psalms…fool of fools.
  
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- rt elms
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 3:09pm
  Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalms 2:1 (supplied without the suggested enema)
  
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- honeydijon13
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 4:46pm
  You go girl! Snap snap!
  
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TN
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:50pm
Apostasy.

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Xiccarph
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:50pm
Europe, including the UK, has been swirling down the toilet of social decay for decades already; this is no big deal, let alone a surprise.

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ZAP
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:49pm
he noted that his ideological transition comes after “prayerful reflection.”Try reading the Bible and stop praying to satan

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SquidVetOhio
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:49pm
“Christianity is not about a book…..”

The beginning sentence of every godless heretic of the last 2,000 years. The book of Jude warns us about people like this.

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- SUNTZU
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:04pm
  They will come in my name,but do not have My Word
  This how you will know them.
  Progressives,gaymosexunuseuals,anti-christ,
  there all the same
  You can pray for them,but only their free will
  can lead them out.
  You have to want to be,to be.
  or not to be.
  
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shorelineliz
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:49pm
“Faithful Gay Relationships” Flies in the face of personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Sorry Pastor. You are on your own on this one.

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- DJ in AZ
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:36pm
  Exactly! “Faithful” means having and exercising FAITH in GOD while doing HIS will, even when you don’t understand the reasons and it is not easy or popular or even what you want to do. The term “Faithful gay relationship” is oxymoronic…it doesn’t exist.
  
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- MCGIRV
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 2:33pm
  Amen!
  
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KingCanon
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:49pm
Many will turn away and there will be false teachers.
HELLO!

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- DYNA
  Posted on January 17, 2013 at 2:07am
  @KingCanon
  
  You are right.
  So I follow Jesus Who being the same yesterday, today, and forever,
  said “let the dead bury their own dead”.
  
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on January 16, 2013 at 12:48pm
These people only worship one thing – MONEY – Which ever way the money is coming from is the way they will preach ! Besides this guy looks a little gay anyway.

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- shorelineliz
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:08pm
  Yup. It won’t be very long until he comes out of the closet with his own “faithful life partner.” Ugh.
  
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- 50211bs
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:17pm
  Brother S/S, i agree %100 w/ what you are saying. It took us awhile to find a church that wasn’t begging money for “the ministries” while the pastor’s and family members live high on the hog while my family and I live a frugal life to save money for things we can afford. I got so sick of hearing church leaders saying “we need to take care of our pastor”, just wondering why they can’t live like Jesus and the apostles instead of multi-million $ mansions.
  
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- DJ in AZ
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:23pm
  I was thinking the same thing. I bet he’s had a tryst with another guy before. And that has made him rationalize away his spiritual and moral compass.
  
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- airborneoathkeeper
  Posted on January 16, 2013 at 1:49pm
  It’s always the same.
  
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