On Thursday night, Fox News’ Sean Hannity tackled the current gun debate, noting that some Democratic politicians have invoked race, claiming that it plays a role in the current opposition to new firearms restrictions. The conversation quickly heated up, with author David Limbaugh and commentator Juan Williams facing-off over ethnicity and the Obama administration’s handling of the situation surrounding gun violence.
“I don’t think that this is about the president’s race, but I think that race has a lot to do with this conversation,” Williams told Hannity at the beginning of the segment.
While Williams agreed with the Fox host that opposition to President Barack Obama’s recent gun legislation has nothing to go with the president’s ethnicity, he disagreed fervently with Limbaugh’s claim that Obama has used race as a divisive tool.
From left to right: Sean Hannity, David Limbaugh and Juan Williams (Photo Credit: Fox News)
“Obama is deliberately projecting race onto his political opponents, saying it’s their racism,” Limbaugh charged. “He’s doing it to his political advantage. It’s shameful.”
While the conservative commentator insisted that Obama, in past electoral campaigns, has ”appealed on the basis of race,” Williams decried such a notion. In fact, he told Limbaugh that he’s too smart to be spouting such commentary.
“A man of your intellect — you are way off in the weeds,” he said. “You’ve lost all touch in this central argument that I’m making to you — that you can see the carnage in the black community at a tremendously high rate –”
From there, Hannity and the guests spoke over one another, as Williams was interrupted.
“You ought to be worried about black-on-black crime then,” Limbaugh said, the contention clearly rising.
“So what are you saying David — because it’s black on black crime it’s tolerable?,” Williams responded.
After Hannity and Limbaugh explained that this wasn’t the case, Limbaugh alleged that Obama may be trying to crack down — even more so than he already has — on gun ownership in America. Again, Williams disagreed, saying, “You’re spreading paranoia, David!”
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GuruMeditation
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:36pmJuan Williams is deceived and a flake to boot. The only reason race is part of “their” conversation is because the progressive, Marxist left, unrelentingly injects it into the conversation. I call BS.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:45pmright.. but bring up chicago every other statement isn’t injecting?
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:48pmActually it is MSNBC that is spreading paranoia by going nutso on Morning Joe over the new NRA ad:
http://www.isthatbaloney.com/msnbc-morning-joe-crew-has-hissy-fit-tantrum-over-nra-elitist-liberal-ad/
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Wolf
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:48pmSorry, Guru- the only reason Williams brings race into it is because he’s black, liberal, and communist.
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DoGooder
Jan. 18, 2013 at 10:46pmSend Juany out into the “hood” with no security guards, no weapons…nothing but his big leftist mouth and see if those people he’s defending don’t pop his ars and take his rolex and his wallet.
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rangerskippy
Jan. 19, 2013 at 7:26amTruly amazing at what Obama and the libs can get away with
They want to make out that the only people wanting to keep their guns are racist white people. Hey, if you compare it to the civil rights movement, the gun owners of today are more like MLK and those that marched with him. They marched against democrats who tried to take away their civil rights. Once again, it is the democrat trying to take away our rights.
How can they talked about race and guns, and not mention the fact that currently in America, blacks make up 12.5% of the population and do half of the nation’ murders?
If we lower black murder rates to the same as whites, we lower the national murder per capita rates by almost 40%. That would make our murder rates as low as the safest nations in Europe, and save a lot of black lives. Half of those murdered in America last year, were black. Do you want to save black lives? I sure do.
Crime is not genetic. Skin color is benign and non behavioral. There is no such thing as an atavistic criminal (born criminal). Those that make racist remarks about blacks committing crime because of their race are wrong. Those that ignore the fact that black are killing each other at an alarming rate are also wrong/
Most blacks, like whites live peaceably. It is the crowd on welfare, and soaking up democrat redistribution that are doing the killing. MTV is not helping, in the way they portray the black man as a thug. Violent rap is also a contributor.
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jlancecombs
Jan. 19, 2013 at 11:15amChicago is where Obama is from. Chicago is a crime-ridden cess-pool. Chicago is known as a hotbed of corruption. Now, tell me Keaton, what the heck does that have to do with race?
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media-bias-steals-elections
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:04pmIf there is black on black crime, and Reverend Jackson says it is over drug turf wars, doesn’t that tell you that drugs are the cause, who would be target you if they had the chance? I would rather see the drug addicts get free drugs in a treatment center, then finance their used car sales style approach to the public?
Where does race fit into the equation? For all we know, the most successful drug distrubution models have been developed by people who share qualities that some would blindly call race? It may have nothing to do with race, but simply a strong community value to traffic in illegal drugs, who then attack the surrounding communities with their business models?
That’s an isolated discussion limited to that geographical area? Meanwhile we get the passionate discussions about “gun control”, which is really an attack on civil rights? Who makes arms? Do you think those people would make military weapons and sell them to the public? No. They are not going to build a tank and sell it to the public. That’s the drawing line. They sell semi-automatic weapons because they are just as lethal as a shot gun, but more effective at stopping the likely scenario of defending yourself against a small armed group of men on drugs?
Arms dealers develop military weapons by commission of the government, and would refuse to make them otherwise, hence we should question that the Supreme court has failed to protect civil rights?
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media-bias-steals-elections
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:10pmAlternative version:
Would you rather see the drug addicts get free drugs in a treatment center, instead of watch a free market rewards their used car sales style approach and indirect violence, if Rev Jackson is correct, those shootings are the result of drug turf wars?
Where does race fit into the equation? For all we know, the most successful drug distrubution models have been developed by people who share qualities that some would blindly call race? It may have nothing to do with race, but simply a strong community value to traffic in illegal drugs, who then attack the surrounding communities with their business models?
That’s an isolated discussion limited to that geographical area? Meanwhile we get the passionate discussions about “gun control”, which is really an attack on civil rights? Who makes arms? Do you think those people would make military weapons and sell them to the public? No. They are not going to build a tank and sell it to the public. That’s the drawing line. They sell semi-automatic weapons because they are just as lethal as a shot gun, but more effective at stopping the likely scenario of defending yourself against a small armed group of men on drugs?
Arms dealers develop military weapons by commission of the government, and would refuse to make them otherwise, hence we should question that the Supreme court has failed to protect civil rights?
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BIG_G
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:24pmThis my freinds is worth 4 minutes to hear what he has to say…
HOW TO STOP MASS SHOOTINGS:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3t7j2tUec&feature=em-share_video_user
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:38pmObama is a racist and everyone that voted for him and works for him is. He’s also the world’s biggest hypocrite because he mock the NRA by saying “more guns are not the answer” and then wants $4 billion to put 15,000 more cops on the street:
http://www.isthatbaloney.com/if-more-guns-arent-the-answer-why-does-obama-want-4-billion-to-put-15000-more-cops-on-the-street/
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drs1969
Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:20pmRe: GE & EN
40% of whites who voted for him are insane, as well.
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foxrocks
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:59pmJuan is a race pimp….Juan, what about Chicago, murder capitol of the usa, no guns allowed, gang bangers and blacks killing like crazy, and YOUNG KIDS….But you never say a word about that. Ole Rahm really has it under control, huh?
Fox needs to get rid of Juan, he is worthless…
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:07pmWhat? huns are allowed in Chicago.. all you need is a permit. even some semi automatic rifles are legal in chicago. Plus most gang members can still get around a permit by buying at gun shows! where do you get that the can’t have guns?
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Fubared
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:19pmLil Keatie
Perhaps you refer to Huns in Hungary? Those professors blew your moms money huh?
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DEFCON4
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:20pm@keaton, Since, when, do ‘nomadic tribes’ need a permit to roam Chicago…..
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civilwarcometh
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:23pmhttp://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/18/nra-president-says-he-and-his-family-have-received-hundreds-of-death-threats-blames-obama-for-demonizing-the-nra/
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Psychosis
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:27pm@ keaton
your lying
you can not buy a gun at a gun show without a back ground check
you can not sell a gun at a gun show without a dealer license
a dealer will not risk his livelihood and license just to sell a gun to a schmuck
nice try loser
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:30pmhaha touche defcon! Guns!
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:36pmPsychosis.. you serious? its called the gun show loophole. You do not need a background check and often times even an ID to buy a gun at a gun show..
http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/gun-show-loophole
“Unfortunately, current federal law requires criminal background checks only for guns sold through licensed firearm dealers, which account for just 60% of all gun sales in the United States.”
also heres more proof that what i said is 100% true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_in_the_United_States
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/facts-about-gun-shows
Nice try…
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:38pmIn short you can absolutely buy a gun at a gun show without a background check, and you can sell a gun at a gun show without a license. These transaction account for 40% of guns sold in the U.S.
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BODYBAG
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:13pmSchooling trolls is boring:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois
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bccrane
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:14pm@KeatonC33: You will need to read your own links better, at gunshows anyone with a FFL needs to do background checks, the only exemption is in a private sale and the fed still requires a background check otherwise the sell is illegal but this is where it is hard to enforce. In November 2011 Michigan was invaded with an army almost 700,000 strong heavily armed with high powered sniper type rifles some of which were semi-automatic, according to those that equate gun owners with criminals you would think that out of that force there should have been 200 to 400 deaths by guns, but there were a couple fatalities from heart attacks, a couple from falling out of trees, and a couple from accidental discharge of firearms (forgot to set safety). When I listen to liberals you think with an army of people of this size there would be mass carnage, but instead you have responsible and well regulated gun owners. Oh and the NRA was started to fight the KKK by getting the blacks to arm themselves for defense of their life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:33pmBCCRANE. my point is, under federal law, you don’t need an FFL to sell guns.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:36pmAlso just read a brief history of the NRA from the NRA headquarters and KKK or black people were not mentioned once.
http://www.nrahq.org/history.asp
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Americanius
Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:07pmWilliams projects racism onto any issue he addresses. He must be a truly angry bigoted man so overcome with hatred for whites that it has become his sole mantra. Sean can always count on Juan to stir the racism pot.
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kaydeebeau
Jan. 19, 2013 at 7:32am@ Keaton – it isn’t a “gun show loophole” except in the wrong vernacular of the uniformed – there is nothing magical about the gun show. I don’t have to be at a gun show to sell a weapon – I can perform the same activity at the end of my driveway or at my kirchen table. It is called private property and private commerce – while some private commerce does take place at a gun show – all private commerce doesn’t take place at gun shows
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Keatonc33
Jan. 19, 2013 at 12:20pmWrite however a large amount of it does. We do need to stop private commerce when it comes to guns though. Its just common sense.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 19, 2013 at 1:08pmi mean right.. obviously.. i am not sure how that happened
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GuruMeditation
Jan. 19, 2013 at 7:41pm@keatonc33: You mean like Attila the Hun?
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RaydocX
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:54pmJuan wants to ignore the black on black gun crime because statistically it would be a shameful proof that the Democratic approach to inner cities has been an horrific failure, and would begin to pull back the curtain, that the great and benevolent Democratic Oz contributes to the black community’s inability to step beyond the drugs and guns and poverty, and to the collective resentment of police and most authority… again, NOT every individual, but collectively.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:33pmHow do you think we should approach inner cities?
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Fubared
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:55pmWith more liberalism or napalm Lil Keatie. Which is faster?
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drs1969
Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:33pmTearing down every last Sect. 8 apartment building would eliminate a lot of the city crime. At the same time, it’d wake up a lot of whites who live in Denial Township!
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dwsmokin
Jan. 19, 2013 at 12:51amCould not agree more! Notice how they conveniently ignore the statistics in cities that are primarily Democrat controlled lest the numbers undermine their argument. They’ve never met a fact or statistic they couldn’t ignore if it suited them.
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Baerlin
Jan. 19, 2013 at 9:14amIt’s classic how Keat asks us for the answers. They, through their policies, create the problems and then come crawling back without any uselfull ideas except to spend more of our money. Hey Keat, just give them your credit card. I’m sure that money will heal whatever ails them.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 19, 2013 at 12:22pmTearing down section 8 housing? How exactly will making a large amount of inner city citizens homeless cut down on crime? and not exacerbate it?
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Ceefour
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:53pmActually…I think Ron is not a bad chap. But, if it wasn’t for affirmative action, he wouldn’t be where he is today…….
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RaydocX
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:51pmJuan, that’s a racist statemet, considering you do not even know me!
I have no ill opinion of other races, colors, creeds…
i recognize that a stereotype is NOT representative of an individual.
and my fear over this President and other politicians’ response to Sandy Hook has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with the Natural/ God Given Right to own and bear firearms in order to keep the government honest and responible to the people, and the same right to protect myself from person or persons of any race color or creed who attack my family or try to take what i have worked to build and have earned.
Suggesting otherwise ignores the definition of the Second Amendment, and makes a prejudicial statement about my motives that you clearly have no frame of reference to form.
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intercepter
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:51pmthe race card was over played for the past few years to the point its no longer a sore spot ,its more a callus,and it no longer hurts it no longer feels its just one more over played hand by very shallow people
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SquidVetOhio
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:50pmEver notice how it’s the light skinned black guys that scream racists the loudest? It’s like a Napoleon complex or something. I’m curious if any black Blaze readers agree or disagree with me.
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seek.the.truth
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:48pmStatistically blacks commit more murders than whites. How many of the guns used were obtained legally?
Disarm America and who still has their guns?
not racist — just truth.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:32pmYou do know gang members buy guns at gun shows with out any questions asked right?
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seek.the.truth
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:04pmFunny you say that keaton — I live roughly 35 miles from an urban city that most definitely deals with gangs and gang violence. I have been to quite a few gun shows and haven’t seen any gang bangers there.
By the way, I do not have a problem with background checks.
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Fubared
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:05pmBangers buy vehicles without private citizens knowing whether or not they have 12 DUI’s too. What is your moronic point this time Lil Keatie? You need uncle to tell you what you can sell and buy privately, again why? Why do you need so much attention and hand holding lik Keatie? Have you zero self responsibility and accountability? Why were thugs and bangers not brought into the conversation of your great leaders new mission on regulating law abiding citizens? Is he as scared as you always appear to be? 80% of violence to just bangers and thugs and no mention. Could it be his vast experience with numbers and business that preclude this kind of conversation? What is that brown stuff on your nose lil Keatie?
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jackboydspeaksout
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:40pmJuan Williams has always been able to ignore the facts to show his loyalty to the progressives. Everything to him is about race. He ignores the violence of the OWS and spouts the liberal line that the Tea Party is not only poised to comment violence but they are motivated by racism. Fox news should have left him to blow in the wind after he was fired from NPR. He totally ignores the fact the racism he and other blacks encountered during the years following the freeing of slaves by President Lincoln, a republican, from the federal government was by DEMOCRATS!! It is so sad that blacks have been brain washed to believe that republicans are the party of racists. Once again the main stream media’s coruption is dividing the country by promoting the lies told by the left.
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jackboydspeaksout
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:47pmSorry about the spelling I meant “commit” not comment.
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asybot12
Jan. 18, 2013 at 6:34pmNo matter your spelling I agree, as soon as he was rescued and promoted by Fox he threw away the sheep’s clothing, the poor me abused “blackie” and showed who he really is .
A sh.t disturbing racists only on screen to spew his agenda not a well thought out answer anywhere in his diatribe. He always as most liberals do attack and buly the others on the panels he sits on he is dispicable.
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drs1969
Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:44pmEver since Fox hired him, people at this house have turned the channel or turned it off. That was the most idiotic hire in their history. They’ve aleinated whites w/o gainging any black viewers. Fox sucks!
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BlackCrow
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:40pmWhat do you expect from people who think it’s possible to bring down an airliner with a 5.56 NATO.
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@leftfighter
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:40pmJuan’s a dolt.
Either Obama or one of his minions appeal on the basis of race every single time he’s challenged.
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@leftfighter
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:44pm…all one needs to do to prove it is think back to the “Nixon strategy” “racial dog whistles” canard they ran on last year.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:09pmcould you please name one instance where Obama has played the race card. Judging by your statement it happens all the time, so just one example would be much appreciated!
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Fubared
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:22pmIf I had a son, the police acted stupidly, bitter clingers, ad naseum. Oh, and the utter lack of any color in his regime smacks of his white half being in charge. Which is it lil Keatie? Get your money back from that community college.
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karencole
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:37pmHe is “a black?” This man is in charge of me and he can’t even speak proper English? What the hell is going on?? Losers.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:35pmThis is the same dumba$$ that said: “the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.”
Juan William’s contract needs to not be renewed, as does Beckel’s. I am tired of seeing and hearing them. Get some new blood who don’t have their noses so far up Obama’s rectum, they have lost credibility with viewers.
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Cavallo
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:46pmNo no.. that was Rep. Hank Johnson from Georgia. Juan is the guy that NPR fired because he wasn’t socialist and Marxist ENOUGH for them. They fired the only black guy they had.
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Texas Hills Patriot
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:52pmActually, it was Hank Johnson, a rep. from GA, who said Guam would tip over because of the buildup of Marines on the island. Juan Williams has been using the race card a lot more, as of late. He used to be more reasonable.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:27pmDoesn’t the video start out with Rep. Hank Johnson from GA? Juan was not liberal enough for NPR, but he grates on my ears. I wish Fox would get rod of him.
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lisalake
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:35pmThis IS about race. Disarming WHITE America is the goal. Hear oBozo or juan williams crying over any black kids?
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DeathRattle
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:32pmAnyone who dares to speak out against Obama has been labled racist. This is the socialist playbook on how to divide a country, a united country stands, and Obama knows this. Why do you think he has pitted the have nots against the haves, men against women…etc etc.
Unfortunately, there seems to be too many useful idiots in this country. As long as they get something for nothing, they will sell every liberty they and everyone else have.
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mercenary4freedom
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:21pmUmmm, afro-americans for obama 2012 campaign spoke volumes about commrade Barry Davis Sotoro Hussein obama.
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drs1969
Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:49pmThe welfare ‘margin’ that put BHO over the top have never worked a day in their lives! They have ‘cradle to grave’ support. They have been raised and fed for one specific reason, to vote Democrat.
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Hcall
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:32pmHannity is like turning on an episode of General Hospital when you havent seen it in a couples of year, same old 2 guys yelling at each other over and over
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13th Imam
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:46pmObama is like turning on the show Jacka$$. You can turn it on any episode and see him blame anyone else for the fruits of His policy’s. 5 Years worth
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ICEDRAGONNITE
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:32pmOath and Unlawful orders. .
“I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
1. US military: unconstitutional orders are unlawful; defend Americans …
Any order that interferes with constitutional law is by definition an unlawful order that must be refused. Using the US military to seize Americans or fire upon them.
Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to Americans; thus its unconstitutional
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Cavallo
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:32pmIt is not paranoia if they are really out to get you. They have very publicly and loudly and on the record proclaimed they are out to get us. They just want us to lay back and enjoy the rape.. “It’s not really rape if you pretend it isn’t and call it something else!”
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CatB
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:31pmI watched it last night .. David Limbaugh was right on and ALL Juan Williams had was the race card… which has been so overplayed. Makes it bad for anyone who is truly discriminated against because now who will listen or believe them.
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Cavallo
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:42pmHere is a site that has a list of words that the left considers “code” for some kind of racism:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/home.htm
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drs1969
Jan. 18, 2013 at 8:53pmNever has a one-trick pony (Williams) been payed so well.
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Fubared
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:28pmTeckyengineer69 and The__Jerk and SillySallyrefreshener
Look away from the Uzi’s and know that no Jews were used in the making of this clip. This is a non Jew/Juden story. No Israeli’s either. Try, really try to keep Jews out of your posts on this one.
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DeathRattle
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:46pmHA! …. good luck.
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Random_American
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:27pmI am white, and find this extremely offense that black people cannot get past race.
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dissentnow
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:41pm“black people cannot get past race”
They never will as long as they can use race as a weapon to get what they want. We need to stop being scared of being called “racist”. Its a term that is thrown around so much these days that it has become meaningless. To the left and the media, a “racist” is anyone who doesn’t support Obama 110%. If you oppose any of his policies, you only do so because you are a bitter, racist who can’t accept a black man in the whitehouse. This is their rhetoric, not mine.
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Keatonc33
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:09pmJust feel lucky your white and shut up.
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Fubared
Jan. 18, 2013 at 5:25pmLil Keatie
Your are sounding very time of the month like. Perhaps you should not be allowed weapons during your ‘time’ huh? Sue that college while you can woman.
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riseandshine
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:27pmNoise.
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gyro
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:25pmWho on tv will have the guts to say the truth knowing that the left will do to them ?
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Shav001
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:38pmThousands of gang and black on black gun murders every year…no national attention. Murder whites and the government will take your $hit.
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Exrepublisheep
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:22pmHannity. Ick.
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@leftfighter
Jan. 18, 2013 at 4:43pmExrepublisheep.
Ick.
Why not stop lying? You were never a Republican. The screen name is clearly a blatant attempt to seem like you’re someone who “wised up and left once you saw the light.”
In reality, you’ve likely been a Dem all along.
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