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There’s a Slight Problem With NY’s Hastily-Made New Gun Laws: They Forgot to Exempt Cops!

Jan. 18, 2013 11:38am Becket Adams

New York Passes Gun Laws That Fail to Exclude Law Enforcement Officials

Members of the New York Police Department are seen Jan. 26, 2012 in New York City. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

In their rush to push through tough new gun control laws, the New York State Legislature made a huge mistake: They failed to exempt police officers from the regulations regarding “high-capacity magazines.”

This means that when the new laws take effect in March, it will be illegal for any law enforcement official to carry a magazine that holds more than seven rounds. For point of reference, almost every law enforcement agency in the state uses handguns that carry 15 rounds.

“We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included, currently no police officer is in violation,” a spokesman for New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s office told ABC 7 Eyewitness News:

“The PBA [Patrolman's Benevolent Association] is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers,” the group’s president said in a statement.

Sen. Eric Adams told ABC 7 Eyewitness News he’s going to introduce an amendment to exempt law enforcement from the new regulations.

“You can’t give more ammo to the criminals,” he said.

Final Thought: So basically New York lawmakers are telling us they had to pass it to see what was in it?

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nny
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:28pm
This is just more stupid laws. They take away our right to be able to protect yourself but give more ammo or support to law enforcement who aren’t obligated to protect or help anyone. I am so happy I moved back to Texas. We need to take our weapons and force these government officials out and replace them. I for one is ready when anyone else is for this. Either they leave peacefully or we can make them. There choice.

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- guns-an-bibles
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:53pm
  They didn’t just forget law enforcement. They also forgot the SECOND AMENDMENT!
  
  Sen. Eric Adams: “You can’t give more ammo to the criminals,”
  Ok, How about law abiding citizens? You know the criminals don’t care about obeying the new laws let alone the old laws you already had in place. What’s to keep the law abiding citizens from getting hurt or killed while waiting on the cop who has a couple more bullets and are only 10 minutes away?
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 1:11pm
  Did they include the National Guard. Their Guard is considered State, unless federalized, right? That means unless the New York National Guard is federalized, they would have to abide by State laws. They’ll have to develop 7 round mags for their M-16s, and SAWs. If this is so, consider me hilariously amused.
  
  Remington Firearms needs to close up shop in New York. They need to take their business to a friendly state. They HATE you. Why do business in a state that hates your presence and hates your product? Think of the tax expense they would save by moving out of New York. In the long run they would likely save a lot of expense. I am quite sure there are states that would even throw incentives to relocate your direction. For other liberty lovers… MOVE OUT OF NY, IT’S A FASCIST CESSPOOL!
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 1:32pm
  Last time I checked, Texas had a lot of good machinists and tool & die makers. Move the gun manufacturing to Texas. I don’t even live in Texas.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 2:52pm
  G AND B,
  They’re looking at it as a way to created another whole society of criminals, and thus creating a means to totally take that part of societies rights to bare arms. If they make having magazines larger than 7 bullet a felony then a lawful gun owner whose never ever broken the law,pays his taxes and does the right theng can be made a felon by simply having one more bullet than allowed.
  Laws like these are why Jury nulifacation is a taboo word in COURTS. The founders knew a that from time to time unconstitution and unreasonable laws would be created Thats why juries are supposed to made up of our peers though it rarely happens usually the prosecution will stack the deck . In case like this would be they would never ever request or allow a gun owner on the jury. stack the deck and they get the first and last word,,,and they call that justice
  
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- ginger100
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 3:11pm
  I wonder if hollywood movies will start depicting the good guys reloading after seven rounds in New York and after 10 rounds everywhere else?
  
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- H-Rock 75
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 3:27pm
  I work for a state government and this is par for the course. Second amendment issues aside, most politicians live in a dream world where ideas look great and they can never be bothered by something as inconvenient as reality.
  
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- 1FreeVoice
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 4:25pm
  1. laws only control the behavior of people who obey them.
  criminals do not obey the laws.
  gun laws restrict law abiding citizens ONLY.
  
  2. To pass laws that apply only to certain people is tyranny.
  The law must be equally binding on everyone.
  That means the law restricting how pain meds can be dispensed by ER Dr.’s must apply to
  ALL Dr.’s in the state, not just the ones who service the poor.
  No free pass for congressmen on the insider trading they would hammer anyone else for.
  All rules and regulations they wish to impose on other employers must apply to how they
  treat their own staffers.
  Also, enforcement must be equal…. No one gets a free pass on gun law violations because the press likes him, or he is friends with the prosecutor, or votes for the approved ticket, or whatever.
  
  Another though t: The constitution was amended 2x in 4 years when the public wanted the changes. To say that it is too hard to amend it, is to admit that most people don’t want the changes you want to make, but you think we should do it anyway, & d___ what the public wants.
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:17pm
  Regressives:
  
  Please explain how this will prompt criminals to comply…
  
  Logic, it is this cool new thing.
  
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- Don Juan
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 9:09pm
  Hey NY I live in KY but have been seriously looking at Texas KY is very gun oriented my wife and I saw where Texas was having some pretty good deals On land that true
  
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- RedHarley
  Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:03am
  They are working to exempt police officers and RETIRED officers. That is total BS. There is a name for a retired cop……..CIVILIAN. I guarantee if they don’t exempt retired cops the police organizations will be against the bill. They get on board with this crap because they believe the hype that they are more special than you, and they want to be the guy riding in to save you. You should not be armed….only them. What is the reason for the 7 round mags that would mean that a retired police officer should get an exemption?
  
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- Trigus
  Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:24am
  (8) “Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public.”
  Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)
  
  So, 7 rounds in their magazines is all they need.
  
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- Classical Liberal
  Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:35pm
  Trigus, As far as i’m concerned, they don’t even need firearms. They do more harm than good with them and usually to protect themselves, not the lives of the people.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:25pm
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This just goes to show, you make mistakes while clapping like a trained seal………..

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- Serenabit
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:34pm
  Ain’t that the truth!
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:39pm
  I like it. I should be afforded the same fire power to protect my family as is seen fit by the police to protect my family. Why should they be allowed more fire power than me?
  
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Plutos_Pal
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:24pm
So law-abiding citizens who generally carry only a single firearm without spare magazines, Tasers, pepper spray, AR-15s in their trunk, or a radio to call for backup are expected to protect themselves with 7 rounds while the police face the same criminals with all that additional equipment and support. Sounds reasonable.

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- Silvertruth
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:32pm
  ““You can’t give more ammo to the criminals,” he said.”
  
  But, this is totally rational, because all law abiding citizens are potential homocidal criminals.
  
  You do understand that is where all of this is coming from, right? It’s all about fear, all about “I don’t like guns therefore I don’t want anyone to have them but cops.” It’s complete paranoia and irrationality given the guise of reason and sanity. It doesn’t make it right, it just makes it all a Toy Matinee.
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 2:42pm
  Silver,
  I recently saw a movie were a government created their upotian society where only police and government employee could have guns,.
  It was called Schindlers list
  
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rsanchez1
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:23pm
So what, are the cops gonna arrest themselves? HA!

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- willingtoupe
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:47pm
  No they just won’t shoot someone that pulls out a neon orange wallet, 50 times until the victims’ bones turn into powder.
  
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SamIamTwo
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:23pm
Meh, politicians what do they know in the first place, eh? Never cleared it with the people that serve and protect, eh?

Yeah, the man is sooo not presidential.

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woodyee
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:21pm
Just heard Chris Christy SLAM the NRA for mentioning Obammy’s daughters.

Ever try doing a google search for “Chris Christy slams attacks on Bush’s daughters”?

You MIGHT be surprised to learn that what pops up are all the attacks Christy has made on the GOP and other conservatives; there’s VERY little on his living up to his Republican stripes, and NEVER to the defense of Bush’s daughters. This guy is another Olympia Snowe. Or worse. Rush says he’s making a push to knock Hillary out in 2016…in what Party?!?

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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 2:55pm
  Christie is a New Jersey Governor…he’s playing to his base.
  
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- DontStopBelieving
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 3:26pm
  Christie is a closet liberal.
  
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republitarian
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:21pm
I’m laughing my a$$ off about this. I have to. I live in NY and a little comic relief from this nightmare is needed.

Ask any cop why they need a 15 round mag. Well, that’s why I do.

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strawberry411a
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:13pm
Mistake? Doubt it.

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- team1blazer
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:27pm
  The mistake was electing a socialist for a governor. What part of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. do you people not understand?
  
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- DontStopBelieving
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 3:31pm
  @Team1blazer – Exactly!
  
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Camo1988
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:12pm
NY Law Enforcement unfortunate hypocrisy, what about all of the properly trained civilians and veteran’s rights to self defense? LOE decrying the law “about criminals not obeying the law” is exactly why the law never should have been passed. As a veteran I have not seen exemptions to the Military in NY either? What about Active Duty/Guard/Reserve military bases in N.Y. state and their duty armed members Governor? What about all their evil guns, ammo, grenades in the armories and even worse F-16′s, assault vehicles, missiles, C-4 and so forth? Semi-auto’s sold to civilians are not the same no matter how scary they look to the Left. By the way, I am a retired Air Nat’l Guard member who served on Active Duty for the Air Force in the Finger Lakes area. Citizens must bring forth lawsuits and clamor their representatives to repeal, overturn the laws or throw them out of office. What happened to the Pro-Choice Left? Who is he to decide what you “need” in NYS. The need for higher capacity is for self defense and one may “need” more then 7 if more than one perpetrator is a threat. I am so glad I live in Wisconsin and I will never visit NY again nor spend my money there. Hopefully these laws will cause an exodus of free minded citizens to the Red/Purple States! Good luck subjects and Boycott NY State if you agree! Sincerely, a Saddened and Shocked Cheesehead.

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- Camo1988
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:24pm
  Oops, I meant “LEO” for Law Enforcement Officers. P.S. And I do support our LEO but we have our rights too “that shall not be infringed”!
  
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- Sgt_Rock
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 3:31pm
  And nearly every LEO supports your right to protect yourself, in fact, we prefer a society that is armed. Just ask any cop at random. Just don’t ask a fed.
  
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stopprintn
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:03pm
I say let them have billyclubs and no guns. After a few months they will all be oath keepers.

Oblamers 23 EOs explained;
http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/the-jihad-against-jihad-watch/#comments

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- stopprintn
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:05pm
  Wrong post sorry.
  
  http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/tyranny-by-executive-order/
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 1:04pm
  Give them one bullet and they have to keep it in their shirt pocket like Barney Fife.
  
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- stopprintn
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 1:40pm
  Barney Fife,,,,,,,,,lol
  
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fastgen1
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:03pm
New York state will soon look like Rochester, empty and broke. The uber liberal state is taxing it’s citizens back to the stone ages. With leaders like Cuomo and the really weird Bloomberg, pushing some of the most constrictive and stupid laws in the universe, down the throats of those who pay taxes and work for a living will find they can put a lot more money in their pockets and have a much less stressful life by moving to places like Texas. I would suggest that Texas start it’s own stock exchange, governed by the Texas Rail Road commission, because of a new honesty, people would find the Texas exchange to be far superior, and leave the crooked New York Stock exchange in droves. My God that would be funny….Bye, bye New York……

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- naughtycal
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:17pm
  New York will be the east coast machigan within the decade couple decades.
  As far as this law goes I don’t see how they can change something they already voted on without rewriting it and revoting on it. A law isn’t a blank check it’s written and passed place the same requires on the police as they do the citizens. I mean after all the citizens face the same exact threat as the police. the same criminals the police are after are the same ones victimizing the private citizens.
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 1:05pm
  New Yorkers deserve EXACTLY what they voted for. If they were too stupid to vet the people they wanted to vote for, it is nobody else’s fault!
  
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- AmericanStrega
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 1:53pm
  Now wait a minute. I do not want ANY NYC idiot sheeple moving to Kansas with their socialistic ideals. They made their bed and they can sleep in it!
  
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JennyS
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:00pm
Peace officers are civilians. Carving out exceptions for them in the law further divides the peace officer from the citizenry, and fosters an “only ones” attitude – the same problem we see in Washington, albeit on a smaller scale.

Further… the police have backup at the call of a radio, will be wearing armor, and will be *responding* to a known threat, rather than being surprised by an attacker.

If 14 rounds in their pistol instead of 7 is necessary for them, it sure as hell is for the good citizens who’ll meet the dark alone.

So good.

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- civilwarcometh
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:13pm
  The communist can’t unarm us unless they out arm us. The building of the communist government army continues. No God No gun’s No America….
  
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RaydocX
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:00pm
conflicting reports claim the prior exemption was not removed and so applies…
BUT why should LEO’s have an exemption? they work in groups and away from work are no different than you or i (but for at rank and file level a greater understanding of the need to be armed)…

if you and i cannot have more than 7 rounds legally, they should not.
Cuomo’s entire security detail should be allowed 7 total rounds… Bloomberg’s, too… UN security details, the Secret Service if the President visits…

Politicians are supposed to put the people ahead of themselves… if we do not need high capacity magazines and weapons with collapsing stocks, certainly they and their security details cannot need them.

THAT is where the attack on the law should be directed… the security details exist because Cuomo and Bloomie and their ilk know that the bad guys won’t pay attention to this law… it impinges the rights of the law abiding citizen, who will become felons merely by doing the same thing they did yesterday and the day before… and before that… all without once harming another human being.

while i have heard many claim the law is not unconstitutional it is irrational.

And not just Cuomo should be held accountable… all the politicians who voted for it need to be put out on the street, where they can proect themselves the same as the sheeple.

and the thinking people need to consider leaving New York… the wonder of this world is you can work anywhere….

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Chuck7884
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:00pm
Bet they forgot to exempt the military too.military base’s have to follow the laws of the states in which they reside in. wonder how many gun laws forgot to exempt the military.

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- Chuck7884
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:12pm
  let me explain military is exempt while they are on federal land. but once of the land they must obey all state laws I.E transport to and from base on state land.the national guard depends if the state identities the guard as federal troops or state troops.
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:25pm
  What the…you’re missing the whole picture! DEMAND equal protection under The Law – it is OUR Right! If the police are “out-gunned” (an outright lie), shouldn’t they be going after the guy who broke the law? Noooo…
  
  Instead, they write law DIMINISHING the Right of MILLIONS of citizens, while strengthening the arms of their security details! MANY police in California are armed with machine guns – I’m talking “run-of-the-mill cops, with tens of thousands more having access to the same. In the meantime, the politicians trample on the backs of dead children and join the media in whipping up a hoplophobic frenzy amongst a small segment of society, and call their own creation a “civil demand” for more restrictive laws.
  
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txannie
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:00pm
Decisions made in haste usually have adverse consequences. ( with the exception of ‘pull the trigger before he reaches you’ ) ;)

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- RaydocX
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:14pm
  Sadly, pulling the trigger on your attacker has adverse consequences… those who kill, even to defend their life or the lives of loved ones, have real issues in the aftermath.
  
  But I completely agree with you, better to learn to deal with that new ‘through the looking glass’ reality than that of the victim… potentially of a lethal attack.
  
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woodyee
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:58am
I’m sick of politicians using the power of the pen to BUY the loyalty of the police; if that isn’t the foundation of the formation of a police state, then what is?

DEMAND equal protection under The Law – it is OUR Right! If the police are “out-gunned” (an outright lie), shouldn’t they be going after the guy who broke the law? Noooo…

Instead, they write law DIMINISHING the Right of MILLIONS of citizens, while strengthening the arms of their security details! MANY police in California are armed with machine guns – I’m talking “run-of-the-mill cops, with tens of thousands more having access to the same. In the meantime, the politicians trample on the backs of dead children and join the media in whipping up a hoplophobic frenzy amongst a small segment of society, and call their own creation a “civil demand” for more restrictive laws.

Ef Them. Incidentally, the international hackers group, Anonymous, has sided with the 2nd Amendment – see here – http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/01/17/anonymous-warns-of-insurrection-in-america-due-to-obamas-gun-grab/

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justangry
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:57am
There’s also a problem with the left’s entire premise…

Columbine 1999 13 dead
Virginia Tech 2007 32 dead
Sandy Hook 2013 26 dead

Total 71 dead

Fort Hood 2009 13 dead
Afghan Village 2012 16 dead

Total 29 dead

So… While active duty membership is less than 1% of the population, active duty members have committed almost half of the mass murders since Columbine. Yet the official story, according to the man who makes warmonger Dubya look like a dope-smoke peace-loving beatnik is that the ONLY people that should have assault weapons are those that are statistically much more likely to go on a shooting spree. There’s that Marxist sociopath authoritarian logic…

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- gyro
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:10pm
  nice post made me think
  
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mrunner
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:57am
I love the visual tutoria on “safe” and “unsafe”! LOL IMO- Active duty, yep give ‘em an exemption. Retired? Off duty? They should have the same protection available to them as the general population…

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- Classical Liberal
  Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:27pm
  The police should not be armed better than law abiding citizens. They are civil law enforcement, not military. If seven is good enough for a civilian, than it is good enough for lawmen to do his job.
  
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love the kids
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:56am
How can they still be working out some details of a law that was already passed and signed? Could something else be added that wasn’t even voted on yet?

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- S-O-B-E-R
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:03pm
  Come on, new rules – have to pass it before we know what’s in it.
  
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chips1
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:56am
Allowing the Legislature to pass laws is like letting your 6 year old drive your new Vette. They are doing it all wrong. Most have IQ’s in the double digits, that is, if you leave out the decimal point!!!

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- Fubared
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:02pm
  Most get the written “legislation” from aides fresh out of academia with more delusions than the entrenched elected official. Crap sammich all around.
  
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spfoam1
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:55am
But …but… but….. it felt good to make that law. The best way to make sure the police aren’t outgunned by the crooks is to allow law abiding citizens to provide backup. Disarm the good citizens and it’s the cops against the crooks, with the crooks outnumbering the cops.

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love the kids
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:54am
Well, they had to pass it to find out what was in it. They won’t need as many bullets anyway because there will be so much less gun violence now

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MK2
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:51am
If I don’t need more then 7 nether do they,good luck with that N.Y.

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- karencole
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:00pm
  Did he just say “you can’t give the criminals more ammo” Really?? Unbelievable.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:18pm
  Oh I hear that they are going to try and pass an amendment soon before the law takes effect. I hear they want to exempt LEO and RETIRED LEO from the law. As long as you are a servant of the State you get special rights that other subjects are not allowed.
  
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- Welcome Black Carter
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 1:23pm
  Wait ’till someone wakes up to the fact that seven in the magazine + 1 in the chamber = 8!!!
  They will probably write an amendment stating you cannot have one in the chamber. Let’s call that the “paper weight amendment”
  
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TruthSeekingTexan
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:48am
Silly Liberals…passing laws is for grownups…lol.

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- willingtoupe
  Posted on January 18, 2013 at 12:49pm
  Silly Texan, Gerrymandering is for Kids.
  
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ghostlyspirit
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:45am
Please visit my website http://WWW.GODANDSPIRIT.COM ty God Save The Republic !!!

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