Tom Brokaw: It’s ‘Far-Reaching’ to Think You Need Guns to Fight Back Against the Government
AP
NBC’s Tom Brokaw said Thursday it’s “far-reaching” to think the American people need guns to fight back against the government.
Brokaw said on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports” that one of the main arguments pro-gun advocates cite — that the Second Amendment is meant to protect against a tyrannical government — is pretty outlandish.
He said he agrees with retired Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal who supports “serious action” to curb gun violence and said military-grade weaponry doesn’t belong in civilian hands.
“The response to that was, ‘I have to keep my weapon because the government’s going to come and try to take it away from me, and I have to be able to fight back when that happens,’” Brokaw said. “Well that’s the most far-reaching thing you can possibly imagine.”
He continued, “If we get to a stage where storm troopers show up on your doorstep, it’s about a lot more guns, by the way, it’s anarchy in this country.”
(h/t Mediaite)
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Al J Zira
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:50pmThe last thing I need is someone from NBC telling me anything about God given rights.
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FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:06pmHe’s got a point. I mean, a democratic government has never gone tyrannical and turned on the people. OH WAIT.
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DarkJello
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:06pmDon’t they believe in “The universal spirit” or something?
They sure as shiz DON”T believe in most of the Bill of Rights or Constitution.
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Jim S
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:12pm..you don’t think that we have to kill our sons,daughters,spouses,neighbors when they come to get our guns and/or kill us is “far reaching”?…unlike other nations we have systems developed to protect our God given rights so that we need NOT kill each other. We need to respect the ENTIRE Constitution, not only the 2nd Amendment. Will your children follow an illegal,immoral order ? If so, the 2nd amend is the least of your problems. You need 20 round clips to kill the police when they come for your 20 round clip..yea,that’s pretty straight forward thinking…the separation of powers, judicial , legislative,executive, due process etc etc..all to NOT have shoot outs…and your afraid you won’t get to kill cops…”far reaching”..a bit…
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:15pmHe acts like this has never happened….Syria, Libya are some recent other countries that have found out the hard way. In this country, Waco comes to mind. Also Katrina where the government illegally confiscated the citizen’s weapons. This government has and will attack it’s citizens, it has proven time and again.
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:16pm”A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who would attempt to abuse them, which would include their own Government.” — George Washington on the 2nd Amendment
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DarkJello
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:20pmG. Washington got it! Tom Brokaw is willfully ignorant at best.
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BODYBAG
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:35pm“TOM BROKAW: IT’S ‘FAR-REACHING’ TO THINK YOU NEED GUNS TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT”
Its also far-reaching to think news media would conduct honest news & investigations,
hold corrupt officials accountable and report facts.
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1TrueOne55
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:45pmHe has apparently not lived in Havanna, Cuba since the 1960′s or even Caracas, Venezuela since Chavez was elected.
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RANGER1965
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:50pmExcept for a few here and there, most journalists are at their core a cowardly bunch. They wield public shame as a club to beat their opponents and ruin their lives. When really cornered they’ll play the victim/righteous martyr role pretty well.
They have no understanding of history, and of the nature of power. If we let them they will help usher in an age of hell on Earth. An age of pure misery and evil.
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marssnw
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:52pmI don’t plan on being a sitting duck. If they want my guns, they will have to kill me for them. At least Ill die knowing Im a free man. At least Ill die knowing I did all I could to preserve the little freedoms we still have today under this dictatorship. They don’t know what bloodshed is. When they come for the people’s weapons you will see alot more blood shed. Im not going to be a sitting duck like the jews were during WWII. Call me crazy, but Im tired of thes Nazi Liberals spitting on the Constitution that so many men and women fought to preserve. You want my gun? Come and get them you Stalin loving liberals.
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henryKnox
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:53pmThese people prove again that they don’t have a clue what they are talking about. If they aren’t aware we already are prohibited from getting military-grade weapons. They use full auto and we are restricted to semi-auto. Not only that there are military grade weapons like grenade launchers etc that we cannot get. I’m not saying that I agree with the restrictions only that these idiots don’t have a clue.
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db321
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:58pmWhat I fear is the Liberal Media more than the Government. Just remember, Tom you getting up in age, I hardly recognized you. You look like some of the people I ran into at a Tea Party event. When the crap, you and the others in the Liberal Media are creating, hits the fan, how are the thugs with the Govt going to know the difference between you and law bidding Tea Party people.
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poorrichard09
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:05pmDo we need to be able to protect ourselves from gov’t?
That’s what the 2nd Amendment is all about.
And how about “Miranda Rights”-yes, to defend oneself from over-zealous gov’t prosecutors. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say CAN AND WILL be used against you in court: a right to an atty if you can’t afford an atty, one will be provided to you-all to defend you from gov’t.
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imsteph
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:07pmwhen the media is no longer the watch dog of the gov….instead are carrying all their water, running interference for them, and out and out lying for them….?
it is ANYTHING BUT far reaching.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:08pmI guess he forgot about that book he wrote. The greatest generation. You know the one’s who defeated communism….
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:10pm.
Tom it’s not that far reaching to think we need our guns to fight fools like you and your ilk…..
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:10pmGlenn … what you say?
‘Just shut up Tommy!’ Mark Levin goes nuclear on Tom Brokaw for comparing gun control debate to Selma
on January 17th, 2013
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/18/tom-brokaw-its-far-reaching-to-think-you-need-guns-to-fight-back-against-the-government/#respond
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civilwarcometh
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:10pmMeant to say communist not communism..
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TH30PH1LUS
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:11pmTom Brokaw,
There might be a few remaining eldery Japanese-American people who could talk to you about how Uncle Sam respected their rights during WWII when they were shipped off to camps.
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DarkJello
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:11pmBrokaw meant to say the following:
“It is far-reaching for you to think that I think.”
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Jinglebob
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:28pmWhy Tom, I think King George must have said something like that as well.
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Rob
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:42pmI don’t watch libaral TV.
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:48pmWe don’t need guns to fight back against the Government?
Tell that to our founding fathers and those that fought and died during the American Revolution. Looked like they needed all the guns they were able to muster, don’t you think?
Tell that to the south, when they had to fight against the union. They needed those guns to fight back, they may have lost, but at least they had a chance to actually FIGHT for what they believe in.
That is just in American history alone. There are hundreds, if not thousands of examples throughout history (even before guns!) where Government turned on their people, for one reason or another.
Our founding fathers did not want that to happen to America, and they knew the only way was to insure the people will always have the means to FIGHT back!
If we wait until the storm troopers at our doors in order to see the necessity of having the means to fight back (gun) then it’s obviously too late.
LOCK AND LOAD.
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Look4DBigPicture
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:54pmThe naivety on the left is beyond comprehension. What world do they live in? One of the reasons our country hasn’t been overrun by dictators or foreign enemies is because of the large number of gun owners amongst our citizenry. With the growing number of terrorists spreading all over the world, giving up your guns would be committing suicide.
Furthermore Mr. Brokaw, unless you have a crystal ball, you have no way of knowing that some ideologue in Washington won’t try to take over our country. Maybe not tomorrow or 10 years from now, but it is more likely to happen if Americans aren’t armed than if they are.
Americans — NEVER EVER EVER GIVE UP YOUR GUNS!!!!
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RabidPatriot
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 8:15pmHe is too old to be this dumb. Government led violent tyranny has occurred all over the world during his lifetime. It occurs now. He is a fool or a liar.
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KeystoneState
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 8:21pmU.S. Citizens On Strike! July 4th 2013! Use some of that stored food, and take a couple weeks off! Send your employees home for two weeks, and watch what happens when the “Takers” lose their precious Cable, Medical, Food, Transportation, Sewage, Water, Police, Etc… Like a national hurricane for the Give-Me class which would be legal, non violent, painfull but non lethal and totally effective! Quit bugging DC, (it’s fruitless at this point, since they are totally corrupt at this point) there’s no point in going to the source of the problem for the solution right?! Send a real message! (They can’t do anything without us “makers/producers/earners”! Without our cash, they’ll be flat on there ssa! You can take from the Makers, but you can’t make the Makers make!
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pissantno.10
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 9:07pmnew black panthers what they want to do to non black people kill them two or three times . and i have never heard any one respond to them on this. so tom kiss my back side you stuck up little man.
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Maji
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 10:31pmSame man thinks you can’t have too much government.
Need I say more?
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ashestoashes
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 10:49pmYes Tom..we should all go willingly to the death camps..
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ashestoashes
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 10:52pmHere ya go Tom..you were right..here’s a little history on gun control..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmKT43j4Tc&feature=player_embedded
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ashestoashes
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:05pmHere’s a short sweet video about the history of gun control..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmKT43j4Tc&feature=player_embedded
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SELECT
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:06pmgot news for ole Tommy. It isn’t anarchy, it’s tyranny. I’m 73 and no longer respect or trust the Federal Government.
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guns-an-bibles
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:08pm“far-reaching” to think the American people need guns to fight back against the government.
Are you kidding? Try telling that to the peasants of Cuba, Iran, China, Iraq…
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SwampFoxHiggy
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:13pmexactly how I feel. Maybe he should ask a few of the holocaust survivors just how “Far-Reaching” the concept of fighting against your government really is. the point of bearing arms is to ensure that we don’t ever have to endure such a thing. take away our “military-grade weapons”(I lmfao every time I hear that as a description) and our upper hand, or the lack-there-of, becomes more like impossible.
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VeritatisCupitor
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 11:41pmI always think it interesting when the media interviews itself (newscaster to newscaster) because they are somehow experts. Journalist used to go out and interview true experts. Most newscasters have little knowledge of the subject other than what the prompter says. Hmm, was Obama ever in the media?
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Lamarr01
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:56amSeven days after the 9/11 attack military grade anthrax was sent to NBC News not far from Tom Brokaw’s office. The anthrax was sent to ABC, CBS, NY Post as well as the National Enquirer. Someone in the Government or employed by the government was sending a warning. After this attack, the news departments accepted the government narrative on 9/11 and the Patriot Act.
Tom Brokaw is dense but he should know governments around the world kill their own people.
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sillyfreshness
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:06amI’m so sick of these arrogant leftist Bolshevik reporters telling us how to live our lives. Like they are supposed to be experts in all fields. Shut up Brokaw and mind your own business.
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savagenatn
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:52ambrokaw,
It’s far reaching for anybody to give a rat’s ass what you have to say either, you moron.
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Rodney777
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:15amBlah blah blah MSNBC blows Blah Blah Blah
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Rodney777
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:38amTom go away!
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:43amGOOD GRIEF!!! BROKAW is saying that if STORM TROOPERS show up at our door step, it’s OUR FAULT? Where do you coddled, hot house plant types get your information, Tom? Haven’t you lived through WW II and the cold war? Good Grief!!!! What happens to you guys we once admired? You get so fat and sassy and cozy that you forget about Tyrants?
The reason, dude, that Storm Troopers have NOT shown up on our door steps is because we are armed and we’re not about to be possessed by anyone…not even that twit in the WH. (The biggest spending, most divisive, most racially detrimental, most anti-American president we’ve ever elected) .. Tom Brokaw…effete snob….what happened to YOU?
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 6:06am@MARSSNW
I’m right there with you old son. After years of talking about doing it, I finally joined “Oathkeepers” yesterday morning. I encourage all you vets (and non-vets) to join that organization. For my $40.00 entry fee, I know that I will be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with very like-minded individuals. Unlike Glenn Beck, who I admire for his humanity and accomplishments, we’re going to be hand-to-hand before this is all over and we pump out the ballast to right this great ship. Wishing that it won’t be so just ain’t gonna’ cut it. The storm is coming, be prepared and remember that we’ll be handing our children and grandchildren a nation safeguarding human rights, given by God, not the government.
@JIM S
I believe that you had better sit down for some reflection and realize that the Second Amendment ensures that all the others are safeguarded. I would especially ask you to reflect on the plight of the Jews under Hitler, the tens of millions slaughtered by Stalin and the one hundred million killed by Mao in China. Not to do so is being intellectually challenged.
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kadster01
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:57amIs anyone surprised at what this arrogant ***** would say about it? Really? No one is threatening to take away “military grade” weapons. We don’t have them in the first place. Private ownership of them has ALREADY BEEN banned. His entire premise is wrong so the rest of his argument collapses.
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Thomas
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 8:43amYes tomorrow may be a sunny day, but I still own a umbrella just in case.
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hallkbrdz
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 8:53amDarn right. The 2nd amendment isn’t about hunting. The right to hunt to feed yourself was a given. The 2nd amendment protects our right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right to shoot at them effectively, with the same instruments they would use.
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Red Meat
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 8:58amThat’s one big Commie right there.
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loriann12
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:09amAnd this is the same bunch that thought Bush was tyrannical. It’s ok when it’s THEIR side, that share THEIR beliefs that get total control. I wonder if they know the useful idiots are the FIRST to be destroyed?
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TAXLORDCOMETH
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:12amDateline 1946 — Athens TN. Local residents fed up with the corruption of all 3 branches of government and the absolute lack of justice took the law into their own hands when a local election was about to be rigged by sherrif’s deputies. Armed with their personal weapons and WWII rifles, they laid seige to the sherrif’s office, until the sherrif and his deputies were forced to surrender the ballot boxes for a fair election. It’s called the Battle Of Athens. Look it up.
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Trigus
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:28amNBC – National Bolshevik Company
CBS – Communist Broadcast System
ABC – American Bolshevik Company
CNN – Clinton News Network
MSNBC -Modern Socialist National Bolshevism Company
GBTV – Giving Bolsheviks the Vault
Now, we see why there is a spin on the 2nd amendment (our right to bear arms to defend ourselves), the exploitation of senseless acts of violence (by liberal leftist), the all out war on conservatives, the all out war on our constitution, those wanting us to just roll over and be herded into re-education camps, the support for Occupy movement, the support for spread the wealth, the supporting of 35 terrorist training camps that are allowed to operate inside US borders, supporting this administration on shipping illegal firearms to mexican drug cartels, and why none of these media outlets reported on Chinese Officials deciding it was okay for Barry to raise the debt ceiling.
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starman70
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:40amApparently Tom never learned real history. He obviously was educated in t he finest far left liberal universities where history is re-written fo satisify the communist professors. He should look up Russia after the Bolshevic Revolution, Germany after Hitler’s rise to power, China after Mao’s rise to power and the list goes on and on. Hundreds of millions were killed by their ‘BENEVOLENT” governments.
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red1
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 11:10amSo Tom thinks Obama should not have armed the Muslim Brotherhood?
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Independent4233
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:27pm“……that one of the main arguments pro-gun advocates cite — that the Second Amendment is meant to protect against a tyrannical government — is pretty outlandish.”
How utterly naive and gullible.
And this is the mantra coming from most all the elitists on the left. They’re like unaware children with fantacizations that are so far from reality they live in an Alice and Wonderland world of their own making.
The entire history of the world has been completely rife with one dictatorial power grab after another, with totalitarian regimes being the norm, not the exception.
IT JUST ISN’T POSSIBLE TO SHARE THE SAME REAL ESTATE WITH NAIOVE DREGS LIKE THIS BUFFOON.
WE MUST SECEDE AND MAKE CERTAIN THESE TYPES DO NOT FOLLOW US INTO OUR NEW SOVEREIGN NATION.
WE WILL NEED A CULLING PROCESS……………..IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
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techengineer11
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:30pmThe best thing that could happen to America over the next 6 months is to round up all the traitors running the National Media and the producers of Hollywood filth and have them executed for treason.
If that were to happen we may have a shot at survival.
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WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:38pmIt wont be long till people realize that Alex Jones IS NOT crazy!
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doodad
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:41pm@Jim S: I am POSITIVE you felt the same “I JUST LOOOOOOOVE GOVERNMENT!!!!” sentiments when Bush was in office. And yes, if your “sons, daughters, and neighbors” obey an illegal order to seize my weapons, then they should prepare for firefights. Ostalin has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he thinks he’s some banana republican, and will stop at nothing to get even with YT.
So tell your sons, daughters, and neighbors that become one of Ostalin’s State Policemen that they can’t defeat every gun owner, and that we take our God-given rights (the first 10 the Constituton says NO government can take away, of which the 2nd Amendment is under attack by Ostalin and his ‘Rat minions) very effing seriously. Just as you fux on the Left take the “right” to a “free” abortion seriously! Tell your sons, daughters, and neighbors that it just ain’t worth it to try and carry out the illegal orders of a banana republican like Barack Hussein Ocastro.
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Independent4233
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 1:15pmtechengineer11
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:30pm
T”he best thing that could happen to America over the next 6 months is to round up all the traitors running the National Media and the producers of Hollywood filth and have them executed for treason.
“If that were to happen we may have a shot at survival.”
Eliminating these dregs is the ONLY WAY we can have a chance at survival.
Actually I’m truly surprised someone or some group hasn’t moved on them by now.
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techengineer11
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 2:26pmIndependent4233: Well I mostly say that in jest but it is absolutely true.
The problem is that the people do not even understand how dire their situation is. .They do not understand that their country has already been stolen and they certainly do not know who the perps are..
I’ve tried to point out the obvious but even among conservatives they simply do not care to receive the truth therefore there will be no taking the country back and there will be no hope for the future.
But if Conservatives were to embrace the truth then rounding up those behind our National Media and the producers of filthy from on high would be the first course of business and it would provide us an opportunity for a future.
Who knows maybe we eventually get to that point but right now everyone has their football, food on the table and little money in the bank.
Can one even imagine a Media which praises our Founding Fathers and our Constitution? How many would fall over dead if they heard sincere praise of our Founders coming from our Media?
It’s really hillarious.. We are under an occupation people and it’s not pretty. Please wake up!
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sonofgalt
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:17pmthinking you need free speech and press to fight for you rights agains’t government is outlandish (sarcasm off)
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stablepar
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:26pmthe only consolation is not from england piers moron
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stablepar
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:30pmobama dictated his attacks during his first administration when he singled out bitter clingers. in his 2nd administration he carries out his threats
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ltb
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:25pmI can’t figure out if Liberals are ignorant about history and naive, or if they’re evil and calculating. Someone should give Tom Brokaw a refresher course about the history of Nazi Germany and teach him how Germany went from being the greatest, freest, most powerful nation on earth to gassing its citizens in 7 years. Then someone should give him a refresher course about the history of the Soviet Union and remind him how oppressive that Liberal dystopia was. Are these Liberals really so stupid that they just don’t get it, or do they get it and just think America would be better under a Hitler or a Stalin?
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dmerwin
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:49pmNote to Tom
Ruby Ridge and Waco. Granted the Branch Davidians did have a fully automatic machine gun, but clearly the government went several steps too far.
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Rollo2
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 10:47pmBrokaw has it wrong , of course. What my guns say for me is not,”Come and get them”, they say “Leave me alone with my liberty.”…
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moregunslesscrime
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 10:52pmBrokaw and his ilk are idiots and show their dismal understanding of the Constitution. He fails to understand that the Second Amendment was exactly formed by the Founders to protect against tyranny by the Government. What an illiterate douche. Just another Leftie apologist with absolutely no understanding!
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milez5
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:50amVietnam, Afghanistan in the 19th century against the British and in the 1980′s against the Russians and yes, today against us are all example’s of small, rag tag groups besting powerful armies. Oh, by the way, I should add our own country in the 1770′s and 80′s against the British, then the most powerful military force on earth. It’s funny how those with no military experience, and indeed who are terrified of guns are always the ones to tell everyone else that there is no need to arm yourselves against tyrants, because tyrants are just too mean and tough.
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old white guy
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 6:49amit has become far reaching to believe that tom has a rational thought.
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llib
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 8:27amwhy don’t these has been just go away
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lillymckim
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 9:06amHow can this man Tom Brokaw who penned books on the Greatest Generation be this old and STILL not understand the 2nd Amendment & our US Constitution?
What was he doing in history class in school?
The teachers still taught US History back in his day.
No excuses for Tom Brokaw to be this uneducated on US history
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stablepar
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 10:14ami don’t think it would go very well for him if george washington and thomas jefferson were standing two feet away from him
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paperpushermj
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 1:53pmHeads up Tom. An armed population put just the right amount of fear in the back of the minds of those who would try to in slave us.
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jettson
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 8:44amThis is why we need assault weapons. Tom just go away just go away
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RVTechNomad
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 8:59amThe godless always think they know what others “need” so they can exercise control over righteous men.
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Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 21, 2013 at 1:48pmBrokaw
It is called the CONSTITUTION. The thingy that gives you the right of free, but idiotic, speech.
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Thinman
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:49pmIsn’t Tom from Canada?
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Bluebonnet
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:53pmDon’t know where he’s from, but what I do know he either never learned anything in school nor read any newspapers (when they were legit) because he’s not an entirely stupid man. This has been done in other Countries and he old enough to remember…..Remember Tom? Where do these fools come from?
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Fubared
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 10:49pmFrom one of the Dakotas. Forget which.
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DougHuffman
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:48pmYes, BrokeJaw, citizens are capable of far-reaching thinking. Did you complain so about the Voyager Program in 1977 when you still had your wits?
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Ronald Wilson
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:48pmIt’s not a matter of the government showing up at your door, at least not yet, but an armed citizenry is a deterrent to government overreach. It’s much less likely for them to show up at your door for any trivial reason if they know you have the right to ( and possibility of ) armed resistance. Once they disarm the populace, then all bets are off.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:09pmeven with an armed populace, if the government wanted to turn on you they would be able to easily. your semi autos come no where close to our government’s fire power, drones, missiles etc. plus you all want to bring up hitler in comparison all the time. the france and russian armies couldn’t even stop hitler. It took our army like 6 years to finally stop him. how do you honestly think the american people would fare if our government went after us? which they never would!
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CathyvanDyke
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:31pmEvery citizen has a constitution right to defend him/herself with lethal force if necessary from threats … threats both foreign and domestic. Ban gun free zones. Law abiding citizens are sitting ducks to the evil that lurks.
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DarkJello
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:37pmKeatonC33:
Why are you so willingly to believe it could NEVER happen???
History is full to the brim with tyrannical governments.
Defending my family from a criminal or 3 is a tad important. Savvy?
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Ronald Wilson
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:52pmYou may have missed my point, deterrents was what I was trying to establish, both foreign and domestic ( as was stated above ), not exactly successful armed resistance. That would require an armed populace in addition to state militias; national guard and/or commandeering of federal resources at a state or local level. It’s not impossible that resistance would go that far, look at the recent declarations by state governments and local authorities, in addition to defections from the federal forces due to the violation of their oath to uphold the constitution.
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seeker9
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:53pmEven when there are natural disasters, the government does not have the man power to protect it’s citizens from other citizens who would gladly steal food, water, etc. In such cases, anarchy reigns for a time.
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henryKnox
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:57pmOur military cannot be used on US soil so what is all the talk about fighting against drones and tanks? If the gov’t went so rogue as to completely ignore the Constitution then we would definitely need enough firepower to restrain them and install a Constitutional gov’t. No matter how you slice it the citizens need to be sufficiently armed.
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00100111
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:40pmKeatie, you can’t possibly be this big of a ******* coward. You should put your kids up for adoption, you’re clearly not man enough to raise children. Cut your penis off and call yourself Sheila. May posterity forget that you were ever our countryman.
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American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 7:55pmKeaton, I disagree. Sure, Californians and New Yorkers would be screwed if the Government were to go Nazi on them, but here in TN, we’d be able to muster up a good fighting force. The insurgency would rise and would never back down. For ever one killed, 10 more will rise up and resist.
Resistance will not be futile. They would take severe casualties, but Americans will stand up and fight back.
I am an Oathkeeper.
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cosette
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 8:01pm@ kEATON33….Since you obviously fancy yourself a prognosticator would you please share the next power ball numbers with me? Pretty please.???
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kaydeebeau
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 8:37pmWell Keaton – true but blasting away at your fellow citizens on orders from the government makes for one heck of a PR mess – it is would be a bit hard to spin it as a psotivie if the carange was oh say 25million American citizens dead in the streets at the hands of the government.
Then again – I seem to recall several instances in US History where the big armies of the world (at the time) were taken out by a bunch of rag tag American fighting men – but you could be right
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kaydeebeau
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 8:41pm@ Soldier – as a fellow Tennessean I can agree with that –
Hey Keaton – know what the State nicknam is for Tennessee and why we are called that?
I rest Soldiers case…
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Shamrock241
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 10:17pm@Keatonc33 Just to be clear where you talking about the US Military coming after the American Mothers,Fathers,sisters,brothers,Aunts,Uncles etc….. LOL What a joke you are!!!! Yes Yes of course they will side with the muslim dictator over there familys live’s.
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antrancher
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 12:40amRuby Ridge and Waco??? Ruby Ridge they shot women, baby and teenager! Waco, they burned those people alive!!!
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 6:35am@KEATONC33
Don’t allow your liberal talking points to completely cloud your reasoning.
Let me see, who defeated a formidable force in Viet Nam? Was that the Vietnamese people?
Let me see, who defeated the Russians in Afghanistan? Was that the Afghani’s?
For crying out loud, if there’s been one lesson learned in the last 75 years, it’s that an armed population with single-minded determination can defeat a structured military. You forget that our military has been so hobbled with inept leadership that I’m not sure about their ability to take North Dakota!
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Cavallo
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:40am@Keaton, We’ve been through this before already. If only 1 out of 10 gun owners revolted against the government (meaning 90% say, “I’m sitting this out”), and there are 80 million plus gun owners in the United States, that is a trained army of 8 million soldiers/snipers/partisans. Trained meaning quite a few former military, all very good practiced marksmen (not a goat herder picking up his first rifle). Against an armed populace, the government loses.
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 8:47amKeaton-
why don’t you ask the Taliban? They are still alive and kickin. We outnumber the government forces. Their families live in the same places our families live. A bunch of them will not violate their oaths… We are the governments supply line, so they will not have limitless logistics, etc….It would be bloody, it would be horrible, but it would not be impossible. I guarantee it would be worse for people like you.
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tomcat11767
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 10:19amKeaton
Germany declared war on the U.S. directly after the U.S. declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor (Dec. 7, 1941) VE Day was May 8, 1945. Since American forces didn’t get into action until 1942, that means that the U.S. was involved in the European Theatre for just over three years, not 6 as you so stupidly stated. I have read many of your posts on this website, and really feel sorry for your totally ignorant ****.
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raderby
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 7:20amhey Buster K:
every gun purchase is a vote against tyranny. DC knows this, and each month that records record sales, they freak. Each gun buy is a vote against the BS the progs, like you, are trying to foist upon us all.
Go find a better hobby, my friend, like glue sniffing. Not welcome here. Heard your rationale my whole life. Know what you are going to say before you say it.
REALLY: From the inner most reaches of my soul :::: shut the F up and cram it. Maybe if you smash yourself into the box the progs are making for you, I mean, completely smash yourself into the smallest possible box, you might then be happier than ever. And ready for the progs’ recycling bins.
Me? just want to be left alone… which progs can’t do, won’t do, and often need to be told to stop or suffer the consequences. Not a threat. Just a promise.
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Schteveo
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 6:00pmKeaton,
you have a Constitutional Right to your opinion, as do we all.
Likewise, we all have a Right to keep and bear arms. But the Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment to defend the 1st Amendment, and they said so over and over and over in their writings. If you, or anyone else, doesn’t think it could happen and therefore see no need for firearms, great, that’s YOUR right!
Just don’t expect everyone to see this YOUR way.
As to the might of the U.S. Military, until the 2nd Amendment is over turned and ALL the court cases are run out at the SCOTUS level, it would be illegal for the military to try to take the guns, and I don’t see the Pentagon passing out Illegal Orders. That of course is also covered under posse comitatus too, as taking the guns would be a law enforcement item.
Not to mention the fact that the GRAND majority of folks in the military are on that right-wing, gun owning side of things. I see them siding WITH the gun people, not against them.
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Snaker
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:47pmThe Founding Fathers knew, Tom…. THEY KNEW….
Shame on you that you’ve NOT LEARNED…
What a waste, Brokaw…… If you’re alive, then, Tom, when they come for YOU,
you’ll be “far-reaching” alright, but it’ll be too late ……….
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13th Imam
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:31pmWhen the Second A goes, the First A won’t be far behind. Only then will these idiots start squealing.
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PASSIONFORCHRIST
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:38pmAll these “useful idiots” will be shot by the Marxist when their in control. You may ask WHY? It will be because they know to much and have too much(redistribution of their ****), and they were just useful idiots anyways!!!!
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CatB
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:45pmAnother educated IDIOT .. Tom just go away and leave the thinking to those who have a reading comprehension level above 2nd grade which you obviously do not.
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highcarry
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 9:12pmthe greatest tool the government has is people who don’t think it can happen here.
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SREGN
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:15amThat’s just what the Jews said in prewar Germany. And what the Russians said, and the Chinese, and the Cambodians, and the Cubans………..
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KingCanon
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:47pmFOLKS.
We have crossed the threshold of common sense. That is a given.
We are now in that dumb as cattle state where demonic minds such
as Brokaw’s will smilingly pursued to us jump completely off of the cliff.
OH GOD SAVE US!
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KingCanon
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 8:05ampursued should be pursuade
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BannedByHuffpo
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:46pmSorry Tom. The government’s way down on the list.
I’m more concerned about the hundreds, or perhaps thousands of insane militant jihadists that sneaked across our unprotected southern border along side the other TWENTY MILLION foreign nationals that have entered our soverign nation ILLEGALLY and unchallenged.
I’m also more concerned about the armed mobs of anarchists and looters that inevitably show up after a national disaster like Katrina or Super Storm Sandy. Since it’s impossible for the police to “protect” citizens during these events, it’s every man for himself and I’d rather be the one with superior firepower to protect my family, my home and my business.
Yeah, so the government has Apache helicopters and unmanned drones. That’s not who I perceive to be the greatest imminent threat.
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MMCMswRET
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:02pmWhat gets me, is the argument that armed citizens couldn’t stand up to the Military. First, most of the military personell would be on the civilians side and second, for all of our “advanced war making capability” the Taliban still seems to be kickin’ it after 10 years. A lot of people need to do some more serious thinking.
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ginger100
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:18pm@MMCMswRET
don’t forget the Soviet years
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Shamrock241
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 10:31pm@MMCMswRET
I agree the majority of the military would not harm American citizens. And as far as replenishing there supplys and ammo good luck having Americans working in the factorys like they were in WW2 to support the war effort.
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starman70
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 10:19amCan you even imagine the chaos in the country if Los Angeles,San Fransisco were hit by an 8.5 or higher earthquake simultaneously and a couple of days later, the Madras Fault in St. Louis had an 8.2? The government would be powerless to do anything. Law and order would totally collapse in the affected areas and in other areas, low lifes would thake advantage of the situation create even more chaos. We better remained armed and ready.
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Bluebonnet
Posted on January 20, 2013 at 11:22amWe may not need guns in everyday life, but when I need one I want one! Many, many years ago driving across Arizona, a guy kept speeding up and getting in front of my car and slowing down. After a couple of times I realized he was doing it on purpose. The next time he moved along side of my car, I pointed my pistol at him, and man did he make tracks up the road.
The second time 3 of us girls were in a cabin in the mountains in Calif. and after we blew out the lights and went to bed, we were awaken by someone looking into the window (moonlight night), I grabbed my pistol and saw the guy running away, so I pointed up into the sky and shot one time to let him know he better not come back.
The third time I needed a gun, in Texas, some guy pulled the pass & slow down on a nearly deserted highway. My son was reclined in his seat and I had my pistol in the locked glove box. The guy had lots of bumper stickers about sex and I was scared to stop and unlock the glove box because my hands were shaking so bad. Finally, I saw a turn off to a rest stop and slowed down enough until the guy passed the turnoff and I pulled off, stopped the car and opened the glove box to get out my pistol as I half expected him to turn back into the exit lane, but he didn’t.
These were times a woman needs protection more than a can of mace, to make a point to the idiots who think all women are looking for a fun time.
The gov. needs to spend more time balancing our budget, less time about guns.
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The Third Archon
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:45pm“TOM BROKAW: IT’S ‘FAR-REACHING’ TO THINK YOU NEED GUNS TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT”
True for, at least, two major reasons:
(1) Small arms in and of themselves cannot make the difference in a revolution–either there are sufficient people behind the revolution, in which case the government is simply TOO small and would incur TOO much cost to stop them all, or the movement wouldn’t have enough people behind it and would fail. Small arms won’t make any difference in that calculation when the national government currently has the capability of killing EVERYONE on Earth if it so desired…several times over.
(2) Alluded to in point one, the government CANNOT control a sufficiently large portion of the population that is defiant simply because of cost–it would be suicide to the government’s own power (for what is a government without a nation, the source of its power?) if it took an extreme murderous route, and if it tried, as it does currently, to exert control through subtler means than outright violence and mass murder then it would have to expend FAR more resources than brutal but effective violence. It cannot exert enough control for in either case it is dependent upon that which it seeks to control FOR its power. So it will either destroy itself (and possibly everything along with it–the ultimate Pyrrhic victory) OR it will simply fail if enough people have the will to oppose it.
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DarkJello
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:55pmDisagree sir. Small arms would make a difference. You don’t cede any advantage to an opponent. The Bill of Rights makes it very clear that ANY government can become the enemy of the people. History teaches that this analysis is accurate. AmeriKa is marching towards tyranny, thus it is logical to slowly weaken the ability of millions upon millions to cause a revolution.
The top reason, IMO, to preserve the 2nd Amendment is in r/t self defense. If each of us has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness… it follows that we MUST have the right to defend ourselves from criminals. And small arms against criminals often levels the playing field.
AmeriKa is coming, and Owebama is an influential acolyte of this new order.
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Witness1974
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:07pmArch–Tell it to the Syrians.
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Psychosis
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:21pmsure cause the ******* in the middle east fought off the russians and now the US with tanks and heavy arms right archon?????
seems to me they are doing quite well against the best military in the world, and in some instances, could be considered winning
……………..i just simply destroyed your lame premise
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WarMunger_Al
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:23pmSmall arms leads to gaining heavy arms. Without small arms, there would be zero chance. Ask the Vietcong, the Taliban, etc…how useful small arms were to their movements. The cuban revolution was almost entirely small arms.
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Walkabout
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:29pmThird Archon,
If I remember you are gay. Have you heard of the Pink Pistols?
“The Pink Pistols are a gay gun rights organization in the United States and Canada. Their mottos are “Pick on someone your own caliber” and “Armed gays don’t get bashed.”"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols
As a gay person I would think that you would want to be safe. With demographics changing would you be safe from Muslims for example?
The Left always wants the U.S. to be look like Europe, because they are supposedly more culturally advanced. Well, Bruce Bauer writes about Europe extensively. Sometimes it seems that what happens there (like California) happens here. So why don;t you read what Mr. Bawer thinks about the changes in Europe. Mr. Bawer is gay, but I think he is more realistic about things than you are.
http://frontpagemag.com/author/bruce-bawer/
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Walkabout
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 4:27pm& Seth a.k.a The 3rd Archon does not reply. He cannot reply with anything approaching candor.
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LeoNine
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 5:50pmUmmm, so you think the Obammunist forces will using nukes, and maybe other WMD’s on its own cities. Even his own wishful thinking sycophant advisors would most likely not commit suicide like that.
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LeFaux Jew
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:46pmI agree….remember at some point, there will have to be building and house to house. Small arms are advantage. The US government could not handle tactical capabilities to handle say 20 million people…..not even a million people. You would not have the military leadership invested in this either.
What will happen is to paint certain segments as “extremists” and thus enemy combatants. They will pick unknowing Christopher Stevens type martyrs (like census takers), and couple them with a true extremists, when all heck breaks loose, they will have public support for the arrest etc. of the enemy combatants. Its already laid out.
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stinkybisquit
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:45pm“If we get to a stage where storm troopers show up on your doorstep, it’s about a lot more guns, by the way, it’s anarchy in this country.”
Didn’t he just prove the point for HAVING them?
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KingCanon
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:43pmAt least that’s recorded history… right Tom?
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oldeagle101
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:42pmThis is what happens to a person’s brain when they become an elitist @$$ hole.
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justangry
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:27pmThe “Let them eat cake” mentality.
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Bill Wallace
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:42pmIs Brokaw a complete tool?
“If we get to a stage where storm troopers show up on your doorstep, it’s about a lot more guns, by the way, it’s anarchy in this country.”
So wait…if stormtroopers show up on my doorstep, it isn’t about the guns they are trying to confiscate, but rather anarchy?
Would that NOT be the reason to have guns? To protect myself in an anarchy state?
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elosogrande
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:42pmBoth Thomas Jefferson and John Jay were, in my opinion, quite far-reaching; and they were both much less biased and certainly much more intelligent than Mr. Mumbles.
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DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:42pmYou’re right as usual, Tom. We could just yell loudly and throw rocks like Palestinians.
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Blitz
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:41pmI think ol tommy was out smoking some bud during history class. Tom don’t ever let facts get in the way of an agenda.
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Keatonc33
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:40pmSmart man. we’ll I mean he’s just stating the obvious here, but in general he’s a very smart man!
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Fubared
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 6:12pmGet an ambulance chaser and sue that community college lady. Graft is not funny, even though the vast majority of your posts are.
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jhrusky
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 9:00amSo … you are willing to serve on your knees?
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EARSCHPLITTINLOUDENBOOMER
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 6:32pmYou’re really, really smart too. You know, ’cause you said so. Clem.
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DarkJello
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:40pmRight. Governments barely ever use unjust force. Ummm….
Like, does he ever read history? What about current events?
What percentage of murders involve “military-grade weaponry”? 0.2%? Less?
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E.Z. Las Vegas
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 3:17pmAccording to government investigators, John F. Kennedy was assassinated with a cheap, mail-order Italian imported bolt-action rifle which had to be reloaded and was known by experts to be less than precision sited.
The Mannlicher-Carcano is hardly “military grade”. In fact, it is probably not even “deer hunter” grade.
Everyone knows “military grade assault weapons” are just words and low hanging fruit and that the eventual goal is all guns.
Hopefully, we are also learning that you can’t compromise with a progressive, because they keep moving the Overton Window.
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burke
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:40pmHe’s just another piece of crap liberal who means nothing & is a waste of good air & space like the rest of them.
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Mr.Spaghetti
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:39pmDemocratic nations have turned to tyranny MANY MANY times throughout history. To think that it is “outlandish” to believe that our nation might fall to the same fate is ignorant.
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armymp
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:39pmThe only place that was undamaged during the Rodney King riots was Korea-town.Why? because they stood guard in, around, and on top of their buildings with GUNS. That was anarchy on a citywide level.
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DarkJello
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:47pmIf true, and presume it is, that is legit!
Koreans defended themselves and their property. Nice.
The 2nd amendment does not care about skin color or language.
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TMOverbeck
Posted on January 19, 2013 at 7:42am“Gun-Aim Style”?
OK I admit that was lame… :P
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MAULEMALL
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:36pmAnother insignifigant boozers opinion to ignor
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kickagrandma
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:35pmThe man is either brain dead or soul dead, maybe both.
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Fubared
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:47pmSenility slips in. He used to ride the fence and purport to be an actual journalist. He now appears to be another Journ0list.
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FaithfulFriend
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:34pmTom Brokejaw. Reports history, while ignoring history.
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deerjerkydave
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 8:55pmAmen. More people died in the 20th century from the tyranny of their own governments than from all the wars combined. It is foolish to assume it would never happen here. The Founding Fathers were much wiser than Tom Brokaw.
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Joyzee
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:34pmTomtanic
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gyro
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:33pmI have no nice words to say about this
so will just cry in the corner
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kickagrandma
Posted on January 18, 2013 at 5:50pm@GYRO ~~ read you loud and clear.
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